Dad began his AF career flying air to ground missions in the F-80 in the Korean war. About 10 years ago, I was perusing some of his photo albums and came across some photos of his F-80 with cannon damage to the vertical stabilizer and the left wing. Now what really stood out, is the damage appeared to have been caused by an aircraft firing from above, not from ground fire. When I asked dad about this, he just smiled and said something about 2nd Lieutenants having poor judgement and a strong sense of invincibility. Dad retired from the AF in 1970, flying the Lockheed F-104.
Bill, is your father still alive. If so pleased interview him on camera and post to RUclips with pics and memories. These men are treasures of knowledge and experiences that need to be documented. So much was lost in St Louis when the military records building burned.
@@bret9741 Hello Bret. Sadly, dad passed on New Year's day, 2021. I did have a chance to play him with some "tongue oil" about 10 years ago. He was adamant about not being recorded. The stories he told were in a self deprecating manner, but would still make you sit up and lean forward, hanging on every word.
@@billgund4532 I’m sorry to hear hear about your loss. I lost my grandparents in 92, miss them every day.. lost my dad last year and there is just a empty space that was always there. Write everything down you can remember. Put it with any pictures you have. I started working on Ancestry and I’m putting as much of pics and stories about family before the memories are lost.
When I was a teenager in the 50's, I was a model-building fan of these aircraft. I longed to become one of those engineers with the white shirt, dark tie, horn-rimmed glasses, pocket protector full of pens and pencils, and a slide rule as big as Excalibur on my belt. But unfortunately, I didn't have what it took, and I got sent to Vietnam instead.
Minuto 5.23 . El F-80 C que aparece accidentado pertenecía a la Fuerza Aerea Uruguaya Grupo de Aviacion Nro 2 ( Caza ) Matriculado FAU 215 . SE accidentó el 4 de Octubre de 1965 al retornar a la BASE luego de un vuelo de entrenamiento de maniobras acrobaticas y prácticas de padrones de aterrizaje. Su piloto era el Teniente 1ro ( PAM) Antonio M. Iglesias, que salvó su vida al salir por sus medios del avion .
I think he does a fine job at narration and actually look forward to catching up on all of his videos that are out. Great job, as there are no other informative videos about these types of aircraft as his that I've found so far.
Thank you. I’m actually going to be re-making a lot of my older videos with better voice overs and probably better content all together. I really enjoy the early jets and I feel like the F-80 deserves a better video. 👍
In 1967-1970 my dad was stationed at Sheppard A.F.B. TX. He taught Block 5 of jet engine mechanics there. There were T-33s and T-38s there. I was just a kid then and he'd set me in a T-33 whenever he'd have to go to his classroom for anything on the weekend. I've set in many fighter jets, but the T-33 was the first.
Helufono,correct about Maj BONG.What sucks is this great pilot died because of being untrained in a jet.He didn't know their was a backup fuel pump!!!The aircraft was rushed into production because we knew the Russians were doing the same thing after captureing the 262.
@@markpaul8178 Agreed. It is obvious that he and the other pilot were improperly briefed. Heads should have rolled to have this happen not once, but twice.
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Bong may have been cavalier about familiarization. Unfortunately that attitude was common through the late 1950's when the services became truly safety conscious.
El Mayor Bong volaba uno de los primeros modelos de F-80 A . Se estaba perfeccionando el sistema de combustible. A eso se debió que se adaptará un bomba adicional de combustible. Su muy lamentable muerte fue para el progreso de la aviación de cazas a reacción. El as Supremo de ESTADOS UNIDOS. Su muerte quedó poco difundida , pese a ser un gran piloto de combate. Murió el mismo dia que caían las bombas nucleares en Japón. El 5 de Agosto de 1945 .
Good piece of history research. It wasn't computer generated video graphics and it wasn't a computer generated voice. I have seen the T-33 two seater trainer that came from the P-80 and it made me wonder about the P-80. This video was a nice piece of workmanship. It was filled with interesting information on the P-80 and had plenty of good film footage. Thanks for making it.
I was a crew chief on a AT-33A at Davis Monthan as a two striper. Serial # 53-4926. It had two 50's in the nose and 2, 2.75 rocket launchers. It also had a Bomb rack for BDU's under the fuselage. Actually went on 4 incentive flights and one was to Hila Bend bombing range. Later I was chosen to work on the Phantom when the t-33's were put in storage
Glad you posted! I've read that AT-33s only had a front seat, and the rear was used for fuel. However, most AT-33 photos I've seen show a rear seat too. Have you seen any single seat AT-33s?
@@rayritchotte7608 Thanks, was wondering about that. Most all AT-33 photos I've seen appear to have a back seat. The original T-33A-1s (TF-80C) had two .50 cals right from the factory and provision for wing racks, so all that would be needed to make it an "AT-33" would be to install the gunsight and armament related equipment. I suspect that the AT-33 designation was related more to its intended use rather than modifications. A lot of them were used to give pilots going to Forward Air Controller assignments some experience in fighter tactics and ordnance delivery if they hadn't had any previously. Some South American countries even used them as fighters.
There was an odd hybrid of the T-33 and F-80 known as the AT-33 (for Attack Trainer). It had the wing drop points and machine guns of the F with the twin cockpit of the T. I have a bit over 60 hours in it from Ground Attack School at Cannon AFB in late 1969. We were told that the design was cobbled up to give in-theater jet training to transition pilots in Korea. Later de-mothballed about 25 of them for that school at Cannon.
Great info. Thanks for taking time to get the details. Not important if from Wikipedia or otherwise, you did what the snipers didn't do. Really enjoyed it.
Canadair built over 600 of these under license using a Rolls Royce engine instead of Allison. It was called the Silver Star and when I saw one at an airshow the RCAF pilot said he loved flying it. They only had a few left and they were using it to fly low over the ocean to simulate Exocet missiles to train navy radar for Phalanx defence.
One of the several aircraft I worked on at Elmendorf AFB in the late 70's was the T-33. Some of which were converted P-80's with their gun ports covered over. I remember looking at the aircraft ID plate of several of these jets which was located inside the nose gear well. The oldest one, as I recall, was built in 1948.
So nice to see this. I actually flew back seat of a T-33 at USAF OTS out of Maxwell for a half hour the summer of '67. I also got given the stick for a few minutes. Except for the acrobatics the pilot threw at me, I will always remember that the cockpit was virtually the width of your shoulders. When you looked 90-degrees to either side, you did not see the floor of the cockpit...you saw the ground. That was sooo great!!! Fun ride...
Wow! Didn't know the P-80 was deployed in the Philippines in anticipation of the invasion of Japan! Can you reference this, please? Years ago, during a model contest, I had entered a Bell P-59 Airacomet and two very elderly gentlemen started looking at it. One of them commented, "We were using these in Alaska in 1944." To which I inquired if he meant the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star. The other gentlemen said, "Nope! We were using the P-59 against Japan. We had to insert 2x4s because the font landing gear was weak and could snap if it didn't retract correctly." I was still a bit skeptical until coming across a reference that this was true! The P-59s were deployed to Ladd Airfield, Alaska in October 1944 with the 412 Test Wing. Over the years I learned more from these USAAF vets, sadly they're gone now. I am amazed at the secrecy surrounding the use of American jets during the war!
Old guys and bad memories. P-50s were used for testing and training only and were assigned to bases in California. Maybe they confused them with Bell P-39s.
@@jb6027 Well, I'll take the observations of two USAAF Vets over a random comment from the internet. They were there, we were not. It's highly doubtful that two USAAF pilots would confuse a jet aircraft with a propeller airplane.
@@zanenobbs352 I did some research on the Forgotten Jets Warbird Resource website: P-59A-1 #44-22610. Accepted 8/31/44. Flown to Ladd Field Alaska 11/29/44 for Cold Weather Test Lab. You were absolutely correct, sir, and I stand corrected. I apologize for my incorrect responses.
I remember seeing these flying out of Niagara Falls, N.Y. Air Force base many years ago along with F-86 Sabres and later on F-100 Supersabres. Our house was near the base and many times they flew right over our house.
The F-80 was a great trainer for future jet pilots. I got 130 hours in F80's at Williams AFB in 1952, but You didn't mention the T-33, which was a F-80 with a second cockpit. I maintained my instrument rating with many hours in the back seat of a T-bird under the hood. After graduation from Willy I never had an opportunity to fly an F-80 again, but the T-33 was my favorite plane during my tour in Korea and back in Arizona as instructor pilot in F-84's at Luke AFB.
The F-80 carried its rockets under its wings, and The F-94 Starfire carried rockets in the nose. The F-80 could also carry a pair of bombs, one under each wing, or napalm
Thanks!!! Excellent video! I am 67 years old and the P80 is the first jet I recall seeing as a very young little boy ♥️. I actually saw B36s flying into Fairchild AFB back then, too. 👍👍👍👍
20 years ago when I lived in New Mexico I visited some local scrap yards in Tucson Arizonaone of those scrapyards had about fifty ejection seedling outside not knowing what I bought I picked one for $40 I still have it to this day and we'll never part with it after over 10 years of owning it I found out it was out of a t33 and even found the serial numbers
Jason Lieu,....I know exactly what you mean. I have some things from my military days and my father's military time and I will not part with any of it. Partly because of historical significance but mostly because of the memories associated.
@@pauld6967 Si los comprendo . Cuando los tuvimos en Uruguay a los F-80 C yo me quedé con una granda anti personal de fragmentación MK - 16 , las llevaba en un contenedor bajo una de las perchas sub alares. Era de fundición y le había sacado la carga explosiva, para llevarmela de recuerdo a mi casa . La tuve muchós años , pero al llegar a más de 60años, un dia la tome y la lleve al Museo de la FUERZA AÉREA URUGUAYA. Cuando no habían testigos que me vieran , pase la separacio me acerqué al F-80 en exposición y la deje sobre una de sus alas . Quería que ese fuera el futuro y definitivo lugar para aquel recuerdo que tuve en mi casa tantos años ! Saludos cordiales amigos !!!!
just a tidd-bit of info from personally seeing 1 of these P80's up close on the flight line... at a distance of approx. 35 to 40 yrds away it is 1 of the LOUDEST planes I ever heard.. it's so loud while SCREAMING at the top of my lungs I couldn't hear myself... the only other plane that did that was a C-141 star lifter, and that plane had 4 engines..
It's really awesome to look back and see how much you have progressed. I'm a huge fan so keep up the good work. I hope soon you will have a million subscribers.
TAC, You might want to consider breaking up your narrative into 60 second chunks for recording purposes, and then stitch them back together in post production. You started strong, but by the 5-6 minute mark, your narration had become an 'um' festival.
I think he does a fine job for someone starting out, but I don't think anyone (important) is picking on our narrator. It's just a matter of giving some pointers. I will say there have been a few others who really needed some help, and I wish there was an easier way to pass on some tips without making everybody think you're picking on a guy. I've been in film and video production for over 40 years, and I'd have never learned a damn thing if people hadn't helped me with critical advice. One thing I think we'll all agree on is there is a wealth of information in this video, and it sure helps that the narrator is interested in the subject and shares his knowledge so freely with us. Thumbs Up!
Great videos. Been playing war thunder a lot and been trying to educate myself on the planes I'm working on getting. This was a great one for this plane for sure. Really enjoyed!
Hola , tenia frenos o flaps de picada que funcionaban en el fuselaje. Justo bajo la cabina del piloto . La advertencia en la orden técnica de vuelo. Jamás trate de hacer un aterrizaje con los frenos de picada abiertos !!!!!
My father, a WWII pilot, joined the Tennessee Air National Guard (TANG) in the 50s and used to take his 12 year old boy with him on Saturdays when he went to the hanger in Nashville to hang out with his friends. The ramp rat, me, would go around the parked airplanes, crawl in and pretend to fly. I didn't get a pilot's license until 1991, at the age of 46. The TANG was flying RF-51F's just after the Korean war. Around 1056 my dad and several other TANG pilots went to Oklahoma to learn how to fly jets. When he came back the TANG in Nashville had a camera version of the F80 along with the two seat version, the T33. a short time later they migrated to the Republic RF-84F and he flew those for a few years until becoming an FAA Air Traffic Controller. At that point he couldn't keep his TANG flight hours out. Besides, he was "old" then, 41 I believe. The TANG went to C-97s after that then C-130s. Dad died in November 2003 and his "ramp rat" is now 75 and owns 1/5th of a Piper Cub, the same type of aircraft I took my first ride in at the age of 3. Don't believe me? Check this out. ruclips.net/video/ZXh21YViiJY/видео.html :-) John
My dad was a P80 pilot... loved the plane, transitioned to the F86, didn’t like the way it flew... went back the P80... when it was phased out, so was his flying position. Prior to that he was a P51 pilot.
In 1963, my Elementary School in Ventura, California had one of these on display! Kids would sometimes manage to climb inside and slide the canopy forward thus getting TRAPPED! Our school had to seal it shut, just to keep the "Dummer" kids out! 😂
Yeah. I made a video on the P-59 aracomet as well. But so many people complained about it I took it down. I’m going to remake it and upload it as well. Keep an eye out for it. 🍻
@@theatomiccafe8996 We have a historical connection to the P-59 here where I live. Because there is a lot of bad mythology & urban legend out there, make sure your facts are good. If people have problem with that then tell them to go get a life.
Wrong !!!! The Bell P59 was the first American jet and it went into production before the P80 62 were produced with the engines they had at the time and the P80 got a later more powerful jet engine and the P59 was used to get the airmen use tojets !!!! Keep the facts straight !!!
The information I cite was hand carried by me from the Smithsonian's staff archivist in Washington to the director of the museum here in California. It was further backed by a major article with pictures in Flying magazine which I donated to the museum here.
The T-33 variant was a common sight at AF Bases in the 60's and 70's. They were everywhere at Peterson AFB in Colorado. I'm sure a lot of pilots trained in them.
@@tobiaszistler Many pilots around the world died in the early jets. You don't know what you're talking about. The P-80 was a good, successful early jet.
@@gsr4535 i know what im talking about It was stated QUOTE ,,In fact, the P-80 was a test pilot killer." The 1 engine designe made it especialy dangerous. compared to the 2 engine M262 and Gloster. 23 military jets crashed between 1945 to 1950, killing 36. It is also mentionet in this video There are more detailed reports aviable.
The flaw in the Me-262 vs. P-80 argument is that the Me-262's jet engines were horribly unreliable, had a service life, when they worked, of only 10 - 14 hours and there were TWO of them that were trying to kill the pilot.
Es muy cierto , Alemania tenia problemas para conseguir aceros alejados de calidad para los componentes de su motor Jumo 004 . Pero el diseño del motor era la técnica que en el futuro triunfará El compresor axial , se usa hasta nuestros días.
The plane shown at 11:09 is an F-84 with a wingtip fuel tank replaced by a sampling pod containing filters to pick up airborne atomic debris after nuclear tests. The technician is shown removing the filter.
I was in the USAF in the late 1950's, I was 2 years in Turkey & 1 year in Germany. Kelly Johnson was from Ishpeming, Michigan in the upper peninsula of Michigan. The navy airplane, the GUARDIAN was built too late for world war two. Heinkel had a jet in 1941 but luckily competition and favoritism made jets in Germany come too late in WW2.
The first engine wasn’t destroyed by FOD, it burned up because the engineers didn’t heed the British’ warnings to make the exhaust tunnel from thicker metal so on the first runs it melted through and caught fire.
The F-80 was the first American jet fighter used in combat but the Bell P-59 Airacomet was Americas first actual jet fighter but was only used in testing and never saw combat.
You can see the evolution of flight helmets in this video. At first, the pilots wore leather or cloth helmets to protect themselves from cold and noise. Soon after that, due to the introduction of ejection seats the designers gained inspiration from M1 Steel Helmet infantry concept to create dedicated outer shell for the leather or cloth helmets to protect the pilot from debris and impact. Then, the outer shell of the helmet became the basis of the modern flight helmets.
the same day that the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the top American Ace of Aces Richard I Bong, climbed into a P-80 to take off on a test flight for Lockheed, having been taken out of combat by Gen Arnold. Several minutes later the plane's engine failed, and Bong, too low to bail out (the plane had no ejection seat then) died in the crash.
Se había agregado un bomba adicional, por problemas de suministro de combustible al motor .Había que hacerla actuar aparte con otro control. Fue lo que el Mayor Bong olvido de activar , estaba concentrado en el decolaje . Ese olvido fatal , le costó la vida al mejor piloto de combate de los EEUU .
Pero superaba al ME -262 en la calidad de los metales del motor . Nunca se enfrentaron en combate , en 1943 existían pocos F-80 A de producción en serie.
Lockheed used parts of existing aircraft to expedite the construction and development of the prototype. For instance, the cockpit and nose section of the P-38 was adapted for use in the YP-80. The early P-80s were real widow makers as were the F-104s, another cutting edge Lockheed aircraft, of a generation later.
The mascot came from the comic BUT the name actually came from the tar factory that was up wind from where Kelly Johnson setup the facility in Burbank.
The first jet fighter produced by the U.S. wasn't actually the F-80, it was the P-59 Airacomet, which first flew in October of 1942. Although the P-80 was the first American Jet to be mass produced and see combat operations.
I think the main reason Skunkworks go its name because the first location of the project was a large tent near a foul-smelling plastic's factory. Was a one-off jet craft for a British jet engine.
This is only the 3rd video made by this fella that I've seen, and I just have to say...His information and his accompanying footage of prototypes ect is excellent. I think he really 2X, needs to polish the delivery of his descriptive audio. He needs to keep reading and re-reading his material to practice his delivery until he's comfortable and it's smooth.
i have a great uncle Howard Midbust whom my grandmother (his first cousin) said died testing america's first jet. never learned the plane's name I wonder how to track/ verify. his history ends around 43 44 in New Guinea piloting b-25s as far as i can follow so far
The Me262 was faster than the P-80, but I wonder what they mean by better acceleration, since supposedly the Me262 would flame out if the throttles were moved too quickly. Also an engine in a 262 was good for about 24 or 25 flight hours before burning out. The centrifugal-flow engine in a P-80 was much more reliable. Also remember that the P-80 was getting pretty close in performance to the Me262 on only one engine, where the Messerschmitt used two.
The materials used in the 262s engines were bad, they didn't had the alloys a jet engine normally demands. So they built it with simple materials like steel which they had access to, and accepted the low lifespan.
El T-33 tenia capacidad de vuelo invertido por 10 segundos. Antes había que volver a la posición de vuelo normal . Si pasaba los 10 segundos se plantaba el motor . Era una magnífico avion , de una capacidad acrobatica Suprema.
I definitely plan too. I’m currently in the middle of upgrading my computer and sound recording stuff. But once it’s done. I’m going to be making a ton of videos.
I am flabbergasted that the only remaining jet power unit was lent-out after the first one was destroyed! I hope they had a third one in the factory lol
The U2 is basically a F-104 fuselage with long, slim wings, like the ones of a glider. But it's also from Skunk works, so maybe zhe same engineers worked on this projects.
Real quick- The "Skunk Works" division of Lockheed was a name given by employees in reference to the noxious fumes constantly pouring out of the workshop, not because of a cartoon. They were working with advanced experimental composites & coatings in a cramped, windowless space for secrecy purposes, and it smelled pretty horrible= Skunk Works.
The public understanding of the history of the P80ha been confused by secrecy. Their bashing in southern Italy I discovered some thirty years back but many denied by many writers. Thankyou.
Great narration and video. Also i am starting with my youtube channel making tutorial drawing about jets, tanks, ships, robots and girls. You are doing great. I watched most your videos. Good stuff. Just like to note on the skunk work origins. They say the area they work smell "stinky". Everytime phone call they jokenly or sarcastic replied "skunk works".
Yes “Shooting Star” was also the T-33’s official name but nobody called it that. They all called it the T-Bird. When my Father heard the T-38 referred to as “T-Bird”; he growled “There is only one T-Bird!”
You're off on your statistics because the P-80 could out turn the ME-262, and that alone would have given it an advantage in combat. The P-80 had a top speed of 600 mph during combat. The P-80 would have minimized the effect of the ME-262 by being able to keep the German planes away from our bombers. There is much more to this story that you've given like several squadrons being stationed in Germany to allow the German people to know the allies were ready to combat the German jets.
Major Bong wasn't our greatest or best test pilot. He was brand new as a test pilot. He was and remains the United States Ace of Aces; our highest scoring fighter ace from any Service in any war.
They knew they had a second fuel pump. No pilot would never not know their aircraft to forget something as simple as that. They lost their fuel pump during critical flight and lost control due to stall.
8:47 No, you should believe the report the MIg survived the attack. The Russians have opened their archives after the Cold War and historians have had access to much new information about the Korean War and especially about the air war.
Dad began his AF career flying air to ground missions in the F-80 in the Korean war. About 10 years ago, I was perusing some of his photo albums and came across some photos of his F-80 with cannon damage to the vertical stabilizer and the left wing. Now what really stood out, is the damage appeared to have been caused by an aircraft firing from above, not from ground fire. When I asked dad about this, he just smiled and said something about 2nd Lieutenants having poor judgement and a strong sense of invincibility. Dad retired from the AF in 1970, flying the Lockheed F-104.
That is a father to be proud of! Would liked to have known him.
@Ian Mayer Definitely not .50 cal!!!
Bill, is your father still alive. If so pleased interview him on camera and post to RUclips with pics and memories. These men are treasures of knowledge and experiences that need to be documented. So much was lost in St Louis when the military records building burned.
@@bret9741 Hello Bret. Sadly, dad passed on New Year's day, 2021. I did have a chance to play him with some "tongue oil" about 10 years ago. He was adamant about not being recorded. The stories he told were in a self deprecating manner, but would still make you sit up and lean forward, hanging on every word.
@@billgund4532 I’m sorry to hear hear about your loss. I lost my grandparents in 92, miss them every day.. lost my dad last year and there is just a empty space that was always there.
Write everything down you can remember. Put it with any pictures you have. I started working on Ancestry and I’m putting as much of pics and stories about family before the memories are lost.
When I was a teenager in the 50's, I was a model-building fan of these aircraft. I longed to become one of those engineers with the white shirt, dark tie, horn-rimmed glasses, pocket protector full of pens and pencils, and a slide rule as big as Excalibur on my belt. But unfortunately, I didn't have what it took, and I got sent to Vietnam instead.
glad you made it back👍🏻
That's still very cool; thank you for your service!
A important airplane❗
Thanks for video👍🧐
Minuto 5.23 .
El F-80 C que aparece accidentado pertenecía a la Fuerza Aerea Uruguaya Grupo de Aviacion Nro 2 ( Caza )
Matriculado FAU 215 .
SE accidentó el 4 de Octubre de 1965 al retornar a la BASE luego de un vuelo de entrenamiento de maniobras acrobaticas y prácticas de padrones de aterrizaje.
Su piloto era el Teniente 1ro ( PAM) Antonio M. Iglesias, que salvó su vida al salir por sus medios del avion .
@@rubenomarbueno1134 😯
To all your people commenting about his imperfect narrative: He's just started. He does need some practice. He's learning. Cut him some slack.
Everyone here is a natural public speaker who should be making their own videos so we can see how it's done.
Good point
Dan Kuchar : just needs to slow down until he finds his cadence...comes with practice. He’s doing fine.
He should also stick to a script. He sounds a lot like he's ad-libbing.
To me he sounds real, and not a bullshitter, like the guy who narrates (I think it's called) "Dark Skies."
You forgot to mention Richard Bong was a very famous WW2 fighter ace!!
Remember, the P80 was a rush job, with zero time for research and very little time for development and it was delivered ahead of schedule!
Back when they actually brought projects in UNDER budget!! What a strange concept!!
@Mopar pilot Mr. Bong was a true American hero of the first order!
@Mopar pilot Doing his job. Military non combat accident.
Yes however, much was learned from it....
@Mopar pilot damn, that's horrible but his last act was still that of a warrior, to protect life!
I think he does a fine job at narration and actually look forward to catching up on all of his videos that are out. Great job, as there are no other informative videos about these types of aircraft as his that I've found so far.
Thank you. I’m actually going to be re-making a lot of my older videos with better voice overs and probably better content all together. I really enjoy the early jets and I feel like the F-80 deserves a better video. 👍
In 1967-1970 my dad was stationed at Sheppard A.F.B. TX. He taught Block 5 of jet engine mechanics there. There were T-33s and T-38s there. I was just a kid then and he'd set me in a T-33 whenever he'd have to go to his classroom for anything on the weekend. I've set in many fighter jets, but the T-33 was the first.
Great video! BTW, Major Bong wasn't just a great test pilot, but also the greatested US ace of all time with 40 kills. He was awarded the CMH.
Helufono,correct about Maj BONG.What sucks is this great pilot died because of being untrained in a jet.He didn't know their was a backup fuel pump!!!The aircraft was rushed into production because we knew the Russians were doing the same thing after captureing the 262.
@@markpaul8178 Agreed. It is obvious that he and the other pilot were improperly briefed. Heads should have rolled to have this happen not once, but twice.
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Bong may have been cavalier about familiarization. Unfortunately that attitude was common through the late 1950's when the services became truly safety conscious.
Actually he was awarded the MOH.
El Mayor Bong volaba uno de los primeros modelos de F-80 A . Se estaba perfeccionando el sistema de combustible.
A eso se debió que se adaptará un bomba adicional de combustible.
Su muy lamentable muerte fue para el progreso de la aviación de cazas a reacción.
El as Supremo de ESTADOS UNIDOS.
Su muerte quedó poco difundida , pese a ser un gran piloto de combate.
Murió el mismo dia que caían las bombas nucleares en Japón.
El 5 de Agosto de 1945 .
Good piece of history research. It wasn't computer generated video graphics and it wasn't a computer generated voice.
I have seen the T-33 two seater trainer that came from the P-80 and it made me wonder about the P-80. This video was a nice piece of workmanship. It was filled with interesting information on the P-80 and had plenty of good film footage. Thanks for making it.
I was a crew chief on a AT-33A at Davis Monthan as a two striper. Serial # 53-4926. It had two 50's in the nose and 2, 2.75 rocket launchers. It also had a Bomb rack for BDU's under the fuselage. Actually went on 4 incentive flights and one was to Hila Bend bombing range. Later I was chosen to work on the Phantom when the t-33's were put in storage
Glad you posted! I've read that AT-33s only had a front seat, and the rear was used for fuel. However, most AT-33 photos I've seen show a rear seat too. Have you seen any single seat AT-33s?
No I never did.
@@rayritchotte7608 Thanks, was wondering about that. Most all AT-33 photos I've seen appear to have a back seat. The original T-33A-1s (TF-80C) had two .50 cals right from the factory and provision for wing racks, so all that would be needed to make it an "AT-33" would be to install the gunsight and armament related equipment. I suspect that the AT-33 designation was related more to its intended use rather than modifications. A lot of them were used to give pilots going to Forward Air Controller assignments some experience in fighter tactics and ordnance delivery if they hadn't had any previously. Some South American countries even used them as fighters.
Used to see these all the time over Fresno,CA in the 1960's. Brings back a bit of nostalgia.
There was an odd hybrid of the T-33 and F-80 known as the AT-33 (for Attack Trainer). It had the wing drop points and machine guns of the F with the twin cockpit of the T. I have a bit over 60 hours in it from Ground Attack School at Cannon AFB in late 1969. We were told that the design was cobbled up to give in-theater jet training to transition pilots in Korea. Later de-mothballed about 25 of them for that school at Cannon.
Great info. Thanks for taking time to get the details. Not important if from Wikipedia or otherwise, you did what the snipers didn't do. Really enjoyed it.
The Trainer version of the P-80, the T-33 was flown by USAF for forty years. The P-80/T-33 was a great success
Canadair built over 600 of these under license using a Rolls Royce engine instead of Allison. It was called the Silver Star and when I saw one at an airshow the RCAF pilot said he loved flying it. They only had a few left and they were using it to fly low over the ocean to simulate Exocet missiles to train navy radar for Phalanx defence.
I had the pleasure of servicing and doing minor maintenance on T-33s that came through Hill AFB in 1979. Sweet little T-Bird.
The T-33 is much prettier, IMO. Something about proportions.
One of the several aircraft I worked on at Elmendorf AFB in the late 70's was the T-33. Some of which were converted P-80's with their gun ports covered over. I remember looking at the aircraft ID plate of several of these jets which was located inside the nose gear well. The oldest one, as I recall, was built in 1948.
Flew the T-33 in UPT in 1963.
So nice to see this. I actually flew back seat of a T-33 at USAF OTS out of Maxwell for a half hour the summer of '67. I also got given the stick for a few minutes. Except for the acrobatics the pilot threw at me, I will always remember that the cockpit was virtually the width of your shoulders. When you looked 90-degrees to either side, you did not see the floor of the cockpit...you saw the ground. That was sooo great!!! Fun ride...
Wow! Didn't know the P-80 was deployed in the Philippines in anticipation of the invasion of Japan! Can you reference this, please? Years ago, during a model contest, I had entered a Bell P-59 Airacomet and two very elderly gentlemen started looking at it. One of them commented, "We were using these in Alaska in 1944." To which I inquired if he meant the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star. The other gentlemen said, "Nope! We were using the P-59 against Japan. We had to insert 2x4s because the font landing gear was weak and could snap if it didn't retract correctly." I was still a bit skeptical until coming across a reference that this was true! The P-59s were deployed to Ladd Airfield, Alaska in October 1944 with the 412 Test Wing. Over the years I learned more from these USAAF vets, sadly they're gone now. I am amazed at the secrecy surrounding the use of American jets during the war!
When I was TDY at Clark AB in the 70s Philippine AF where still flying them. They looked great, one of my favorite Jets
Old guys and bad memories. P-50s were used for testing and training only and were assigned to bases in California. Maybe they confused them with Bell P-39s.
@@jb6027 They were referencing the P-59 and YOU weren't there.
@@jb6027 Well, I'll take the observations of two USAAF Vets over a random comment from the internet. They were there, we were not. It's highly doubtful that two USAAF pilots would confuse a jet aircraft with a propeller airplane.
@@zanenobbs352 I did some research on the Forgotten Jets Warbird Resource website: P-59A-1 #44-22610. Accepted 8/31/44. Flown to Ladd Field Alaska 11/29/44 for Cold Weather Test Lab. You were absolutely correct, sir, and I stand corrected. I apologize for my incorrect responses.
I remember seeing these flying out of Niagara Falls, N.Y. Air Force base many years ago along with F-86 Sabres and later on F-100 Supersabres. Our house was near the base and many times they flew right over our house.
Lulu Belle is with the Smithsonian. It a hand built acft with a polished paint. I've been close and personal with it and it a beautiful bird
The F-80 was a great trainer for future jet pilots. I got 130 hours in F80's at Williams AFB in 1952, but You didn't mention the T-33, which was a F-80 with a second cockpit. I maintained my instrument rating with many hours in the back seat of a T-bird under the hood. After graduation from Willy I never had an opportunity to fly an F-80 again, but the T-33 was my favorite plane during my tour in Korea and back in Arizona as instructor pilot in F-84's at Luke AFB.
The F-80 carried its rockets under its wings, and The F-94 Starfire carried rockets in the nose. The F-80 could also carry a pair of bombs, one under each wing, or napalm
Thanks!!! Excellent video! I am 67 years old and the P80 is the first jet I recall seeing as a very young little boy ♥️. I actually saw B36s flying into Fairchild AFB back then, too. 👍👍👍👍
20 years ago when I lived in New Mexico I visited some local scrap yards in Tucson Arizonaone of those scrapyards had about fifty ejection seedling outside not knowing what I bought I picked one for $40 I still have it to this day and we'll never part with it after over 10 years of owning it I found out it was out of a t33 and even found the serial numbers
Jason Lieu,....I know exactly what you mean. I have some things from my military days and my father's military time and I will not part with any of it.
Partly because of historical significance but mostly because of the memories associated.
@@pauld6967 Si los comprendo .
Cuando los tuvimos en Uruguay a los F-80 C yo me quedé con una granda anti personal de fragmentación MK - 16 , las llevaba en un contenedor bajo una de las perchas sub alares.
Era de fundición y le había sacado la carga explosiva, para llevarmela de recuerdo a mi casa . La tuve muchós años , pero al llegar a más de 60años, un dia la tome y la lleve al Museo de la FUERZA AÉREA URUGUAYA.
Cuando no habían testigos que me vieran , pase la separacio me acerqué al F-80 en exposición y la deje sobre una de sus alas .
Quería que ese fuera el futuro y definitivo lugar para aquel recuerdo que tuve en mi casa tantos años !
Saludos cordiales amigos !!!!
just a tidd-bit of info from personally seeing 1 of these P80's up close on the flight line... at a distance of approx. 35 to 40 yrds away it is 1 of the LOUDEST planes I ever heard.. it's so loud while SCREAMING at the top of my lungs I couldn't hear myself... the only other plane that did that was a C-141 star lifter, and that plane had 4 engines..
It's really awesome to look back and see how much you have progressed. I'm a huge fan so keep up the good work. I hope soon you will have a million subscribers.
TAC, You might want to consider breaking up your narrative into 60 second chunks for recording purposes, and then stitch them back together in post production. You started strong, but by the 5-6 minute mark, your narration had become an 'um' festival.
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After 5 minutes it sounded like a middel school kid, that was forced to make a
lecture on a subject he hated.
Or just find someone who can talk.
I agree. Learn from my mistakes. Create a narrative then practice reading alongside with the video before recording. It helps tremendously.
I think he does a fine job for someone starting out, but I don't think anyone (important) is picking on our narrator. It's just a matter of giving some pointers. I will say there have been a few others who really needed some help, and I wish there was an easier way to pass on some tips without making everybody think you're picking on a guy.
I've been in film and video production for over 40 years, and I'd have never learned a damn thing if people hadn't helped me with critical advice.
One thing I think we'll all agree on is there is a wealth of information in this video, and it sure helps that the narrator is interested in the subject and shares his knowledge so freely with us. Thumbs Up!
Very cool review. As I grow older I am more fascinated with aircraft history.
Don’t forget the T-33 that was based on the F-80. That trainer was used for quite some time after they phased out the fighter.
Are you just winging this dude? Love it!
Haha yeah I like this style of video 😄
Great videos. Been playing war thunder a lot and been trying to educate myself on the planes I'm working on getting. This was a great one for this plane for sure. Really enjoyed!
What is omitted in the end is that the P-80 was deemed more maneuverable than the Me-262.
The worst thing this has was no airbrakes
Hola , tenia frenos o flaps de picada que funcionaban en el fuselaje.
Justo bajo la cabina del piloto .
La advertencia en la orden técnica de vuelo.
Jamás trate de hacer un aterrizaje con los frenos de picada abiertos !!!!!
My father, a WWII pilot, joined the Tennessee Air National Guard (TANG) in the 50s and used to take his 12 year old boy with him on Saturdays when he went to the hanger in Nashville to hang out with his friends. The ramp rat, me, would go around the parked airplanes, crawl in and pretend to fly. I didn't get a pilot's license until 1991, at the age of 46. The TANG was flying RF-51F's just after the Korean war. Around 1056 my dad and several other TANG pilots went to Oklahoma to learn how to fly jets. When he came back the TANG in Nashville had a camera version of the F80 along with the two seat version, the T33. a short time later they migrated to the Republic RF-84F and he flew those for a few years until becoming an FAA Air Traffic Controller. At that point he couldn't keep his TANG flight hours out. Besides, he was "old" then, 41 I believe. The TANG went to C-97s after that then C-130s. Dad died in November 2003 and his "ramp rat" is now 75 and owns 1/5th of a Piper Cub, the same type of aircraft I took my first ride in at the age of 3. Don't believe me? Check this out. ruclips.net/video/ZXh21YViiJY/видео.html :-) John
My dad was a P80 pilot... loved the plane, transitioned to the F86, didn’t like the way it flew... went back the P80... when it was phased out, so was his flying position. Prior to that he was a P51 pilot.
In 1963, my Elementary School in Ventura, California had one of these on display!
Kids would sometimes manage to climb inside and slide the canopy forward thus getting TRAPPED!
Our school had to seal it shut, just to keep the "Dummer" kids out! 😂
Your facts are excellent. I look forward to great things
The P-80 was the first production fighter. The first flying US fighter plane was the Bell P-59 whose design was a flop.
Yeah. I made a video on the P-59 aracomet as well. But so many people complained about it I took it down. I’m going to remake it and upload it as well. Keep an eye out for it. 🍻
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We have a historical connection to the P-59 here where I live. Because there is a lot of bad mythology & urban legend out there, make sure your facts are good. If people have problem with that then tell them to go get a life.
Wrong !!!! The Bell P59 was the first American jet and it went into production before the P80 62 were produced with the engines they had at the time and the P80 got a later more powerful jet engine and the P59 was used to get the airmen use tojets !!!! Keep the facts straight !!!
They were supposed to make 60+ P-59s. Because they were such a flop they only built about a dozen before they threw in the towel.
The information I cite was hand carried by me from the Smithsonian's staff archivist in Washington to the director of the museum here in California. It was further backed by a major article with pictures in Flying magazine which I donated to the museum here.
The T-33 variant was a common sight at AF Bases in the 60's and 70's. They were everywhere at Peterson AFB in Colorado. I'm sure a lot of pilots trained in them.
Except the first us jet fighter was the Bell P-59 Airacomet. The F- 80 Shooting Star was the first US jet to see squadron service.
Yeah. I had a video on the P-59 airacomet up. But so many people complained about it. I took it down. I’ll re-upload it once I fix it.
@@theatomiccafe8996 Good i will want to watch it.
@@theatomiccafe8996 You can't just try to change history because some people are Butt hurt, keep the fact straight !!!
El F-80 primer caza de combate reglamentario en la UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.
The old P/F-80 was a good early jet. Thanks for the look back. 👍
The p80 was a death trap a lot test pilots died they even exploded midair
@@tobiaszistler Many pilots around the world died in the early jets. You don't know what you're talking about. The P-80 was a good, successful early jet.
@@gsr4535 i know what im talking about
It was stated QUOTE ,,In fact, the P-80 was a test pilot killer."
The 1 engine designe made it especialy dangerous.
compared to the 2 engine M262 and Gloster.
23 military jets crashed between 1945 to 1950, killing 36.
It is also mentionet in this video
There are more detailed reports aviable.
@@tobiaszistler Dick Bong got killed testing it.
@@tobiaszistler BULL$HIT !!!!!
The flaw in the Me-262 vs. P-80 argument is that the Me-262's jet engines were horribly unreliable, had a service life, when they worked, of only 10 - 14 hours and there were TWO of them that were trying to kill the pilot.
Es muy cierto , Alemania tenia problemas para conseguir aceros alejados de calidad para los componentes de su motor Jumo 004 .
Pero el diseño del motor era la técnica que en el futuro triunfará
El compresor axial , se usa hasta nuestros días.
The plane shown at 11:09 is an F-84 with a wingtip fuel tank replaced by a sampling pod containing filters to pick up airborne atomic debris after nuclear tests. The technician is shown removing the filter.
Didn't know much about the p80. This fills a gap thanks. Pretty airplane
I love your history lessons. Keep it up and ignore those perfect, professional arm-chair critics.
I was in the USAF in the late 1950's, I was 2 years in Turkey & 1 year in Germany. Kelly Johnson was from Ishpeming, Michigan in the upper peninsula of Michigan. The navy airplane, the GUARDIAN was built too late for world war two. Heinkel had a jet in 1941 but luckily competition and favoritism made jets in Germany come too late in WW2.
Saw one of these the other day in Waukesha wisconsin flying with a t38.
The first engine wasn’t destroyed by FOD, it burned up because the engineers didn’t heed the British’ warnings to make the exhaust tunnel from thicker metal so on the first runs it melted through and caught fire.
The F-80 was the first American jet fighter used in combat but the Bell P-59 Airacomet was Americas first actual jet fighter but was only used in testing and never saw combat.
My favorite jet fighter. Lots of great rare video. I narrate my own videos too. Much harder than it seems. Good job!
You should update your video tagline and add 'viable' to it. The first jet fighter the US produced was the P-59 Airacomet.
We had one of these in 1955 at goose bay Labrador in front of our air sea rescue squadron.
I built this model as a young boy, totally enamored by the Jet Age. It wasn't until many years later that I realized my dream.
Lockheed F-94 fired rockets out of the nose; F-80, no,
Here is a piece of trivia. The trainer for the P-80, the T-33 was actually faster than the fighter variant. Strange I know lol. Good stuff, thank you.
Similarly, the t5 and t7 english electric lightnings were regarded as "hot ships" compared to the f.6
Not so strange because the T33 was a LATER development from th P80 and had a better later engine !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!
The P-80/F-80 was the second jet fighter of america. The first ever jet fighter built was the P-59. Tho it never saw actual combat
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You can see the evolution of flight helmets in this video. At first, the pilots wore leather or cloth helmets to protect themselves from cold and noise. Soon after that, due to the introduction of ejection seats the designers gained inspiration from M1 Steel Helmet infantry concept to create dedicated outer shell for the leather or cloth helmets to protect the pilot from debris and impact. Then, the outer shell of the helmet became the basis of the modern flight helmets.
the same day that the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the top American Ace of Aces Richard I Bong, climbed into a P-80 to take off on a test flight for Lockheed, having been taken out of combat by Gen Arnold. Several minutes later the plane's engine failed, and Bong, too low to bail out (the plane had no ejection seat then) died in the crash.
Planes engine did not "Fail" it ran out of fuel because Bong did not select the right tank !!!
Se había agregado un bomba adicional, por problemas de suministro de combustible al motor .Había que hacerla actuar aparte con otro control.
Fue lo que el Mayor Bong olvido de activar , estaba concentrado en el decolaje .
Ese olvido fatal , le costó la vida al mejor piloto de combate de los EEUU .
A little rough around the edges, but pretty good for a first try! It was informative and interesting.
It was a step behind the ME 262 from the start, specifically no swept back wings You would think they would have designed that feature in.
Pero superaba al ME -262 en la calidad de los metales del motor .
Nunca se enfrentaron en combate , en 1943 existían pocos F-80 A de producción en serie.
Excellent informative video, thank you.
The P/F-80 went on to become a great trainer aircraft in the T-33. I actually know someone who flies and really enjoys his T-33.
Lockheed used parts of existing aircraft to expedite the construction and development of the prototype. For instance, the cockpit and nose section of the P-38 was adapted for use in the YP-80.
The early P-80s were real widow makers as were the F-104s, another cutting edge Lockheed aircraft, of a generation later.
The mascot came from the comic BUT the name actually came from the tar factory that was up wind from where Kelly Johnson setup the facility in Burbank.
The first jet fighter produced by the U.S. wasn't actually the F-80, it was the P-59 Airacomet, which first flew in October of 1942. Although the P-80 was the first American Jet to be mass produced and see combat operations.
eh2826 The P59 did actually go into production first 63 were made !!
P-39 primer avion a reacción de EEUU.
F-80 primer caza a reacción en servicio reglamentario en la UNITED STATES AIR FRANCE.
I think the main reason Skunkworks go its name because the first location of the project was a large tent near a foul-smelling plastic's factory. Was a one-off jet craft for a British jet engine.
as i heard also
Short life, but without it those first pilots would've never gotten that early stick time in a jet. It paved the way for modern jet fighters.
Yep. Those men were well aware of the risks and took them anyways. It's hard to over estimate the nerve of a test pilot back then.
Such a nice looking early jet fighter👍😊
Thank u for the vid!!
Respect the short docu. Great knowlege
Thanks for speaking slowly. Thanks for not using a computer voice. Thanks for the info.
This is only the 3rd video made by this fella that I've seen, and I just have to say...His information and his accompanying footage of prototypes ect is excellent. I think he really 2X, needs to polish the delivery of his descriptive audio. He needs to keep reading and re-reading his material to practice his delivery until he's comfortable and it's smooth.
Exactly. Entertaining and informative, but would definately benifit from a little polish.
The F-80C did not fire rockets out of its nose! The F-94C Interceptor did. The F-80C had underwing zero-length launchers for its rockets.
The stammering aside, great video.
Next time maybe break it down into sections and do extra takes until it works.
Warthunder pilots really hate fighting this, but love flying it
i have a great uncle Howard Midbust whom my grandmother (his first cousin) said died testing america's first jet. never learned the plane's name I wonder how to track/ verify. his history ends around 43 44 in New Guinea piloting b-25s as far as i can follow so far
He's a hero in my books !
He could have flown the P-59 Airacomet
there is one of these sitting at the bowing green airport in ohio... i use to play on it when i was a kid...
Excellent video 😊!
Great video, good work, thanks
The Me262 was faster than the P-80, but I wonder what they mean by better acceleration, since supposedly the Me262 would flame out if the throttles were moved too quickly. Also an engine in a 262 was good for about 24 or 25 flight hours before burning out. The centrifugal-flow engine in a P-80 was much more reliable. Also remember that the P-80 was getting pretty close in performance to the Me262 on only one engine, where the Messerschmitt used two.
The materials used in the 262s engines were bad, they didn't had the alloys a jet engine normally demands. So they built it with simple materials like steel which they had access to, and accepted the low lifespan.
Thanks. Good info; well presented.
Excellent video.
Grew up at a Cdn airforce base in Germany where T33s , the training version of the P80 where common. Nice to know its genology. Thx
El T-33 tenia capacidad de vuelo invertido por 10 segundos.
Antes había que volver a la posición de vuelo normal .
Si pasaba los 10 segundos se plantaba el motor .
Era una magnífico avion , de una capacidad acrobatica Suprema.
Maybe do an item on the English Electric lighting. 👍
I definitely plan too. I’m currently in the middle of upgrading my computer and sound recording stuff. But once it’s done. I’m going to be making a ton of videos.
@@theatomiccafe8996 that's excellent news, I shall subscribe immediately. 👍 Quality stuff you are doing.
I am flabbergasted that the only remaining jet power unit was lent-out after the first one was destroyed! I hope they had a third one in the factory lol
There is a relationship in basic design between the P-80 and the U-2. Maybe some of the same engineers from Skunk Works.
The U2 is basically a F-104 fuselage with long, slim wings, like the ones of a glider. But it's also from Skunk works, so maybe zhe same engineers worked on this projects.
From what I read, Lt. Brown shot down the MiG in a dive, since the F-80 couldn't outrun it.
Real quick- The "Skunk Works" division of Lockheed was a name given by employees in reference to the noxious fumes constantly pouring out of the workshop, not because of a cartoon. They were working with advanced experimental composites & coatings in a cramped, windowless space for secrecy purposes, and it smelled pretty horrible= Skunk Works.
The public understanding of the history of the P80ha been confused by secrecy. Their bashing in southern Italy I discovered some thirty years back but many denied by many writers. Thankyou.
Enjoyed it,lots of good info.
Great narration and video. Also i am starting with my youtube channel making tutorial drawing about jets, tanks, ships, robots and girls. You are doing great. I watched most your videos. Good stuff.
Just like to note on the skunk work origins. They say the area they work smell "stinky". Everytime phone call they jokenly or sarcastic replied "skunk works".
A channel with an A+ name like Atomic Cafe deserves better voiceover
this was one of my first videos...maybe you should check out some of the newer content where i actually have a microphone.
10:19 F-16 spotted!
No mention of the T33? It was a lengthened, two-seater version of the F-80 and it was also called "Shooting Star."
Yes “Shooting Star” was also the T-33’s official name but nobody called it that. They all called it the T-Bird. When my Father heard the T-38 referred to as “T-Bird”; he growled “There is only one T-Bird!”
You're off on your statistics because the P-80 could out turn the ME-262, and that alone would have given it an advantage in combat. The P-80 had a top speed of 600 mph during combat. The P-80 would have minimized the effect of the ME-262 by being able to keep the German planes away from our bombers. There is much more to this story that you've given like several squadrons being stationed in Germany to allow the German people to know the allies were ready to combat the German jets.
Major Bong wasn't our greatest or best test pilot. He was brand new as a test pilot. He was and remains the United States Ace of Aces; our highest scoring fighter ace from any Service in any war.
Awesome video! Keep it up!
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They knew they had a second fuel pump. No pilot would never not know their aircraft to forget something as simple as that. They lost their fuel pump during critical flight and lost control due to stall.
8:47 No, you should believe the report the MIg survived the attack. The Russians have opened their archives after the Cold War and historians have had access to much new information about the Korean War and especially about the air war.
The singer Gary Numan used to fly a Shooting Star.
Another fine example of us lovely Brits sharing our technology.....so Harry, what about that A-Bomb stuff old chap???
Damned British engine technology though and transfer of the designs during WW2.