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Power usage would be nice to see to each of our builds. Europe energe is expensive and many people looks for low power builds. Maybe some video about "powertop" tool and how to decrease power consumption? Think about it as this is "hot" topic nowadays.
Definitely agree with the power usage stats. Just picked up some cheap Refoss plug switches with energy monitoring and it's really interesting to see how much power is being used, especially if a NAS is going to be on 24/7
I bought a CWWK N5105 NAS motherboard and have been testing it with Debian 12 before trying it as a NAS. Low power usage is one of the goals. After some effort, I got S3 suspend-to-RAM to work, which can come in handy, but my first attempts at power saving with idle C-states has not been that successful. C-states were disabled in the BIOS, so I enabled them. Tried to auto-tune with powertop, but the system locked up. I'm still reading up on ACPI power saving states, but Wolfgang (has a youtube tech channel) says that the JMicron JMB585 chip that provides 5 of the 6 SATA ports prevents the CPU from entering the highest C-states with the greatest power savings. Anyone have any experience with that? Any workarounds or power optimizations that you can recommend on this subject? BTW, I upgraded the BIOS to the most recent from 8/30/2023 to fix SATA bus reset errors while testing with a Samsung 850 EVO SSD, and to (supposedly) fix Wake On LAN problems. Haven't tested the latter, but the bus errors went away.
@@dktol56 I bought i3-12100 + Asus B760 D4 due to the cost reduction and I was able to reach C10 in 45% on proxmox without VMs but with 3xNVME and 3x12TB HDD. Power consumption was around 13W but when I added 20 containers (mostly related media server and file sharing) I end up on 22W on idle. C6 30% and C10 30%. It is great achievement compared to my old qnap 643d where in idle I had 60w. Unfortunetly due to a bad eth phy (Realtek) I can't use it as a NVR. Cam generates a lot of traffic on it and prevent mobo to go to higher C states. Instead of it I used Pi for NVR (cam have human detection build in and it was easy to connect to HA - Dahua)
Fantastic build! Please note that some of the links in the description are unavailable. Unfortunately the total build here in Italy would cost a huge figure more thinking of VAT, Customs, and most of all the °°°°ing postal costs if purchased from Ali. Thanks Rob, you are constant inspiration for us (very very humble and) small IT managers and self builders for our customers solutions. Happy 2024!!!
Great video! I've ordered N3 case and a Topton N100 based Motherboard. Evaluated a few other ITX motherboards, but stuck with the Topton N100, which I think is gives the max bang for the buck especially considering the very low 6W TDP.
I would have definitely gone topton too, if I hadn't already gone topton on the Jonsbo N2 build. Working on a vid for Jan on a 2 bay modded case with an AMD processor. Stay tuned
Another alternative would be using the Core i3-N305 instead of the N100. Main difference being it has 8c/8t and a 16W TDP which can be configured down to 9W.
What a fantastic job brother! Superb! I have few comments if you allow me: 1- with such power (i9) I would NOT waste it to be TrueNAS only - my TrueNAS is on Intel N6005 and I never had issue with CPU 2- with such power I would go for Proxmox and there, TrueNAS as VM with direct passthrough disks to it I would add more memory though. 3- this way you have fantastic hypervisor with excellent NAS but what do I know ;-) Again: thanks for fantastic video.
Hey man. I debated for AGES about the eventual NAS OS setup for this build. It'll make sense in hindsight, but the reason I didn't go the proxmox route on this one was because my next build(ish) vid is at about 30% (aiming for end of Jan publish) is proxmox based. It's a bit of a fugly build, but I hope you enjoy it!
@@nascompares did I enjoy? do you NEED to ask? ;-) Thank you for your MARVELOUS job in 2023 and all the best in 2024! I think I am done with my DIY NAS but be sure I will NOT leave your channel ;-)
awesome video start to finish. looking forward to power consumption in idle and load testing. would like to see possibly a demo on how to reserve nvme ssds for a separate vm datapool in truenas scale separate from the spinning disks. haven’t seen anyone show how to do that in a truenas scale system. one of my systems set that as cache, which ended up not being useful with already ample/sufficient memory.
I have the 12800H version of this board. It was like 5 usd more that the 12700, but still more than 100usd cheaper than the 12900H version during the 11.11 sale. One of the really coolt things, that you can actually undervolt these boards, to further reduce the power consumption, while still having 99.5% of the original performance. The newer BIOS version (that you already has on your board by default) can handle XMP and undervolting much better than the original one, and overall made this board much more stable than it was when they released it. Plus compared to the boards with 11xxx series CPUs, it handles virtualization, IOMMU, PCIe passthrough and other things much better (iirc pcie passthrough wasn't possible on the 11xxx series erying boards). This board is a (virtualization) power house, although I could not recommended the 12900H version, because the performance difference is minimal compared to the 12700H or 12800H versions, that makes it overpriced compared to those versions. In my opinion tho, Proxmox is a better choice as the main OS, because based on my experience, truenas cannot really leverage the full performance of this CPU, but it is just my 2 cents :)
After listening a lot your videos to decide between DIY or Prebuilt NAS I got mine yesterday to have the liberty of upgrading it and use unRaid "without" the size limitation. Since there's no standard in PSU switch/connection location I had to plug the extension before getting the bracket back in place and as for the on/off switch I plan to open a vent on the side in case I need to switch it so I don't need to open the case. Depending on the motherboard I had to put the psu after the mobo and some cable connection that I wasn't able to do with the psu installed. Lucky me I plugged my nvme Sata expansion under the mobo and I was able to put 4 cable with no problem and the other 4 on the mobo. So my nmve cache drive is on top and way more accessible! I agree with you those spacers and handle are really weird I don't like it either... they should have been in plastic as if you screw them too tight it doesn't slide nicely .... I'm pretty sure someone will 3dprint something! As for the fan I have to test some config as they are really noisy ... wasn't expecting that as I put Noctua fans in there. I don't even hear my PC but that thing is way too loud... I have to try without the grill and do my cable management as there's a lot of air restriction. I'm not a aerodynamic engineer but all those hole/perforation in the plate between the mobo and HDD may generate drag and cause noise instead of funneling the air. Thanks for all you videos!
I'll speak on behalf of users reading this comment on the future, but thanks for sharing these build notes mate. If this vid goes anything like the Jonsbo N2 vid I made, people will be ploughing through these comments for pointers...and your comment I gold man! Cheers for sharing
A bit more test ... Definitely the fan in the bottom part needs to be plug on the motherboard as they will go 100% and even with the low noise adaptor they were still too loud. I'll put a temp sensor and try to manage them with it if they get too hot. As a side note my power button light doesn't work anymore ... at the beginning it was lit only while powering up....
Amazing and Fun video Sir! Ty! Totally new to NAS. I'd like to have Media etc on mine. Need to learn how to organize and back-up OS and PC to it. I would like mine to be a jack of all trades. My sincere best to you and your family!!
Awesome video! If not the Jonsbo case, what would you advise? I'd love to see how this build performs with Prox Mox, running a TrueNAS scale VM, Plex server and Linux/windows VMs as well... Am I expecting too much from this build?
Much as I enjoy your videos, I feel the need to point out that English usually allows us to identify verbs from context. It's not necessary to prefix them with "go ahead and" quite so often.
Apologies upfront! The blue parts are called spacers, not washers, I believe? Anyways; I was learned always to install the memory first in case their heights might interfere with the CPU cooler/case-fans etc. I would also point out, just to be made sure, to always check the arrows(!) on the side of any fans so you know what direction the airflow goes. For CPU coolers, the fan should be blowing thru the CPU-cooler (and thus not suck air but blow air) and for the case fans, it is often used in the suck-direction (extract warm air from the case to the outside), otherwise you possibly almost might such dust & debris into your case. I am surprised you did not put any heatsinks on the SSD's? (at minimum on the controller-chip) For true noob's, this video is taking quite a few big steps. (such as double-checking all the ports on the rear when installing/sliding-in the MB, it can happen that an earthing-lip is inadvertently being bent outwards. And I, always, ALWAYS recommend to the do cable-management, as that will help the airflow. I do appreciate your efforts.
PS: The odd-looking adapter-board @32:25 is a mSATA to M.2 adapter-board. Until a year or two/three ago, mSATA's were quite popular (especially in portable systems & NUC-type situations) as they also had quite decent speeds and capacities. (up to 2TB, I believe)
No apologies needed man! Always good to be kept on the straight and narrow! I'm response to most of the points - it's mainly a case of video length and balancing what to include for the audience (between complete novices and those watching just to find out about 1-2 specific build points/case factors). Things like cable management are important as stated, but also a bit dull to watch and touch to film in such a tight case. Same with the m.2 Heatsinks - in this case I used 1 SSD That had a H/S already attached and (in efforts to keep the price under $599) I wanted to eliminate optional extras that some users might not want/need. That said .you totally got me on the fan arrows (didn't see/know that) and the names of the risers (I almost said "gromits" in the vid!!!!). Thank you for watching and helping the channel with your points in 2023 (I sincerely mean that man). It's those kind of things that helped me and this channel get better! Merry Christmas mate!
@@nascompares Kudos to you Robbie & Eddie, for all the efforts and hard work you do put into it, really impressive. I do fully understand you wanted to keep the video balanced in length and what to include. Maybe it is a suggestion to do, as you have done before, several video-segments, where you dive into a bit more details about the building-steps? I judge, based upon the reactions and other video's, your audience would really appreciate a bit more in-depth guidance. On the other hand, I can fully understand that is not your goal here, and rather want to show what is possible and how fairly easy it is to do. I.e. not a building-guide (although such would be a good video, I think, in multiple parts) I do not know if it is something you would be considering, but maybe offer such a (completed) kit for sale via your regular methods/channel? Than such video's would most definitely help selling such. As you are selling your services/advice/consultancy, adding an affordable solution to your gamma, could be beneficial. Perhaps. Again, just merely a suggestion, knowing your audience a wee bit. Me merely pointing out some of the points was to forewarn readers/watchers of your video's that these also need a level of attention. I know for sure and am convinced you are not the infamous The Verge clusterf.ck PC builder from a while ago, if I had any really serious issues, I would contact you differently, not in a public place. And I never felt such a need, no worries. I agree you had to take some creative decisions not to film the dull parts, as long as they are mention, either in the video, or in the comments. We are all here to learn and share idea's, and the ventilators mostly should have 2x arrows on the side somewhere, where 1x shows the airflow-direction and 1x shows the rotation-direction of the blades. As for the gromits, although 'm no native English speaker, I believe the 4x rubbery thingies you had to screw into the HDD's are in fact grommets. Often used to pass-thru cables in holes with sharp edges, use for vibration-dampening etc. Wishing you & Eddie and everybody else Merry Christmas and a smashing 2024, that we may continue to enjoy your content, in good health and lots of sharing and learning. And the humor plus occasional seagulls. Thank You!
I would be interested in benchmarking the difference between the m.2 sata controller and an actual HBA LSI card just passing through the risks to the os. Since it is common for many sata contollers including the asmedia chip to use port multiplier. Which strictly means it will not be able to write simultaneously to all drives at once on the asmedia chip. compared to a real raid controller card passing through the drives directly to the os. The experiment would the be to utilize all 6 data on the m.2 data controller, benchmark and compare that to an HBA LSI controller in the pci card passing though 6 disks to the os. I would find it interesting to see if there actually is a difference. Best regards, keep up the good work and make us more great Nas videos. Darkyere
I currently use the Silverstone m.2 to SATA adapter in the N3 with 8 disks in RAID 6, and over a 2.5GBE connection, it does saturate that in reads and writes (unsurprisingly)
If your build costs include case, mainboard/CPU, RAM, and PSU, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to get an 8 bay NAS for only $599 anywhere....; nice work! (I ended up paying $800+ shipping just to get my 6 bay +4 NVME Asustor 6706T shipped to me, so I'd say you did darn well!)
I want to see more of these NAS Box build videos, because I want to build a reasonably priced and reliable NAS Box for a 10GB network without annoying restrictions. Special vendor locks are ridiculous and rude. 8 hard disk slots are enough and the boot disk must have its own extra connection. Ready-made NAS boxes can be expensive and only replacement works during the warranty period. The manufacturer does not offer any repair service for special parts and a broken part cannot be exchanged for another manufacturer's part. The situation is different if the NAS Box is built from purchased parts.
Gonna opt for the QNAP QM2 card that has 2x m.2 and 1x 10GbE. Plus, this will be getting compared against the zimacube and storaxa (hopefully) in due course
Could you please update the article on this one? nearly all of the aliexpress links no longer work (the products dont exist anymore) including the motherboard itself.
Thanks so much, this looks like a great build. Is there a build list for this with affiliate links? The description only shows N2 and other builds. Thanks!
Very jealous of that Jonsbo case. Trying to decide between an n2 & n3 for my NAS. Then on the silly side I think it might be fun to mount a Deskpi Super6c or Turing Pi in it so I can beat my head against physical clusting & attaching a pci raid controller to a raspberry pi.
Your future video I'm eager to see is when you evaluate the AOOSTAR WTR R7 PRO, in the context of comparative value with the various DIY builds you've done, and particularly this one.
*grins like a moron*, see you next week for a couple of absolute bangers.......(psst.. or RUclips membership early access). Have a fantastic Christmas!!!
Two Questions - First, could this box, as built, run a home server or a Firewall or Pi-Hole in a VM? Second, what about ECC memory? What m-ITX boards that handle ECC could do all I'd like in question 1? (edit to add - Thank you and please keep up your niche content - yours is the part of youtube that answers the really needed questions)
Hi mate. To answer your Qs. 1) yes, but it was would tremendous overkill in most respects. Better to use something like proxmox as a base, then run a NAS OS VM alongside a router/network VM. That would give you the best of both worlds, especially with a network card upgrade. 2) few ITX mobos seem to support ECC much, largely as the CPU/socket that most support do not tend to support ECC in the first place. Hope that helps and thanks for the kind words
The airflow for the HD is very good even though there is a backplane blocking the fan. This case is big! well it is to be expected how else will you stick 8 HD in? The rubber on the HD does help to reduce vibration. It is a metal case, so expect vibration sound and fan noise.
Great build! Well done on the choice of the motherboard with the additional M.2 slots and the SATA adapter card. There don't seem to be many ITX motherboards with accessible M.2 slots to add the 6-port SATA adapter. I am curious when you do the AMD build for the Jonsbo N3 which motherboard you considering using? I haven't found any that have the M.2 placement to add the 6-port adapter card that seem to work because the M2 adapters seem to be buried under a mezzanine riser with heat sink making using for SATA adapter difficult.
I really like those SFF NAS cases, but in my situation they are not feasible because I always recycle my old workstation mobo/RAM/CPU when I upgrade for proxmox and trueNAS (trueNAS as a VM inside proxmox). Also, the small form factor has too many limitations for my taste. I think I picked the perfect PC case for my homelab server, it's a Fractal Meshify 2 which has a moving panel inside that you can put in "storage" configuration allowing you to install up to 10 (or 12 I don't remember) 3.5" HDDs. Also the layout is very convenient since you can have 3x140 front intake and the drives live directly behind that, resulting in amazing airflow and very cool drives. I know it's a bit expensive for a case but it's very well built, very nice to look at and has excellent airflow... also it will last me for years it's already seen 2 different motherboard/CPUs and it's very convenient because when I upgrade I can just leave the drives on the case and just replace the motherboard.
Honestly, that's been one of the reasons why I haven't done something like this. I want Intel, for their graphics/encoding, but their power consumption is just not feasible for a 24/7 home server. From what I've seen their Meteor Lake (15th gen) line, looks to be a bit better, so fingers crossed.
At 59:00 you mentioned the full dim being rare, but ever modern itx board is based on that standard and sodimm is the rare sight. Or did I misunderstood something here?
I’m pretty sure he was talking about the usual configuration of motherboards that include a socketed CPU, like those with an Atom-based processor (J4105, N5105 or N100)
I'm looking for the specific part list for this build. I may consider it sooner than an alternative product I am waiting on. All I can find is for the Johnsbo N2 model. I am in Canada. Thanks!
My Jonsbo N3 is all up and running with unraid. Currently just 4 drives, and they're all next to each other (long story why they're not spaced out). During parity build, the drives got pretty hot. Actually hit the 45c warning, a couple of them anyway. I took a small room fan and put it right in front of the machine, facing into the drives. That keeps everybody happy. Currently low 30's, although the machine is just kind of hanging out. When it was doing real work, drives would tip up to mid-30's, with maybe one getting up to 38/39. Ideallly I don't need to have a room fan sitting in front of this thing, so wondering what people do with fans? The ones that come with the unit can be replaced, but I'm not sure how much that will help. Need to find some numbers on airflow. The top area where fans can be added seem like an option, but I'm guessing that won't do a lot as the air won't really be going over the drives. Worst-case, I'll just (somehow) attach fans to the front grill, but I actually like the look of the case and would prefer to avoid a crap build if I can.
i built one with my older 11900k and Z590, because it still has intel optane support, it is loaded for bear! Sonnettech McFiver PCIe Card, goodness. i almost watercooled it, but just too much $$ to throw at it. yep, little beast, thunderbolt 4 also.
Very nice. But just a not on you guide for the expensive built, then I bought the Power Supply in the link and it was WAY too big. It should be an StX, not the big one in your link.
have you seen the ADT-Link R54SF 4.0 adapter from m2 wifi to nvme? That + the same NVMe to 5 sata that you are using, you could test to see if that works and free the other nvme. At least in theory this adapter extension could go between whatever you have on the x16 slot and the back of the case, in other words, "below the GPU" and then do a turn into the hole to somehow secure it in the lower part of the case, perhaps with magnetic screws. You would need to estimate how long the extension should be as they provide different length options. I don't have it but this is what came to mind when I saw it.
Slap a 4-port 2.5G PCIe card in there and one could easily turn this into "FORBIDDEN FIREWALL!" by installing Proxmox and running a virtual Firewall/NAS/Docker container machine. An "All-in-One" if you will.
Overall it's a nice build, but sweet Christmas. The drive handles and little rubber things. They are garbage, and it feels like Jonsbo could have come up with a better option without bumping the price much. I was putting the screws in like an idiot the first time and the drive fell from vertical to flat. Hope it still works (waiting on the MB, shipping, like life, doesn't always meet your expectations). If you are setting one up, my only advice. Screw in the weird drive bumpers from the side, with the drive flat on the table. Also, after the initial purchase, I went higher-end on various components. Got a really nice Coarsair PSU. Fully modular. However, the cable to the drive plate isn't long enough. Would have been a disaster if I hadn't *also* bought another PSU for the "power machine" of the home lab. Anyway, all wired and waiting for the MB. At the end of the day, it's a beast (hopefully). I'm looking at my synology 413j that's about to find a new home. Such good, slow times we had. Also have a DS920+, which is "fine", but "fine" sucks. Love the channel! I am on the patreon, but not a lot of chatter. Big question, I understand the basic tradeoffs of ECC, but from a practical perspective, what's the TL;DR? The builds on the channel are focused on bare-minimum "nicker", which is great, but does a bit of buffer "nicker" for ECC pay off? Thanks in advance.
Great build!. I'm thinking of make a build with the topton motherboard. Question i see motherboards with n6005 processor, n5051, but also n100 processors. Can you point out a little bit the differences of these processors. I want to run unraid. on top of it, a few dockers and maybe an vm, but that will be more for testing etc. Can you give me advice for what kind of processor the best is for me?
I would really appreciate it if you could do a TrueNAS INSALL and SETUP on the Jonson N3 NAS for a complete novice with no server experience. I am an astronomer in County Durham UK with large photography data files that I need to access regularly. I have built all my own PCs and think that building the Jonah N3 NAS would be the cheapest way for me to get lots of storage with easy access.
@@nascompares Sounds interesting. I shall keep an eye out for the video. The Fractal was an option, but all internal drives doesn't really offer much above the current tower case..
I think that wouldn't be too necessary, as long as you have a semi active cooler, or at least pop in a couple of 8-10cm fans on the back plates of the case
Fantastic and inspiring video. I got one of these m2 nvme to sATA adapter you are using. Is there any specific port requirement for this to work? My Aorus B550i Pro Ax mobo does not dedect it.
@nascompares... thanks for the great video, I'm not sure if you covered the info regarding CPU / chipset lane counts and the resource sharing for the board you selected as that will also have an effect on other components, I am thinking of going down this exact route however would appreciate some clarification as the CPU you mentioned has 20 lanes and the Z690 block diagram shows 1x PCIe 5.0 x16 and 1x PCIe 4.0 for PCIE SSD / NVME to the CPU meaning filling other slots / drives will consume chipset bandwidth. The chipset has 8x DMI PCIe x4 lanes to the CPU resulting in 12 lanes left for PCIe devices (as per my understanding). I was thinking of adding a dual port 10Gbps RJ45 card and potentially utilising the spare PCIe lanes for the boot NVME using a PCIe 1-to-2 riser adaptor which will free up bandwidth on the 8 DMI lanes for the chipset (you had an additional 2 NVME drives connected which would be routing through the chipset, as per my understanding). I may be talking nonsense however would appreciate any clarification you could give. Thanks in advance :)
I may also be mistaken or misunderstanding as I read there are 28 chipset lanes (Z690) for devices + 20 direct to CPU giving a total of 48 however need clarification as to whether the 8 dmi lanes that connect to the CPU from the chipset will eat out of the 20 CPU lanes( leaving 12 out of 20 for PCIe) as usually it is stated eg Ryzen 9 7900x has 28 PCI lanes with 24 usable (4 going to the chipset). The ASRock Z690 Mobo appears to have better throughput to the Chipset than what the Asus ProArt x670e does which is surprising as it crams all their connectivity down 4 DMI 4.0 lanes yet the Z690 has 8 DMI 4.0 lanes. Help a brother understand please, lol.
You can probably ignore most of what I said as it appears the DMI lanes for Intel are separate from the CPU lane count (as per further reading) however feel free to clarify if need be.
my main concerns with the nas aimed itx boards is two fold, they either lack the x16 slot, or they lack a second m.2 with which to stuff one of those x6 sata port adapters into. or sometimes they lack both. i want the x16 to stuff a gpu into for compute purposes, and the second m.2 for the very purpose you use the adapter for in this video, while using the other for the os drive. that specific board you have is great, since it has both, but its also seemingly unobtanium at the moment.
Do look up ZimaCube... They are working on a system that is using a very unique 2 PCIe slot itx mobo (x16 + x4) with 2x m.2, 2.5G, 2x SODIMM and the CPU is preattached. I FULLY EXPECT that mobo to go mainstream on Ali soon enough and that will really shake up the mobos out there... Topton also has some fun hoards coming at the end of Q2
Hi. Really good video. Thanks for that. I have a few questions, if I may 1. How are the HDD temps on this build ? I noticed that the Rear fans have their airflow blocked by the backplane board. I believe this would limit the volume of air that runs trough the disks 2. What is the noise like when the disks are active. My current build is with node 804 and the the whole case rattles when my disks are in action. I'd like to know if this case has the same issues or not. Given that the disks are loosely secured, I'm curious about vibration mitigation 3. I noticed that you plugged the rear fans into the backplane board. Is there a way to control those fans or are they always at 100% RPM. Are they 3 or 4 pin fans ? I think they are 3 pin, but I couldn't really tell from the video Thank you
The H-card M.2 adapter is not a one-off. CWWK uses them in all their N100/N305 fanless firewall/router appliances. I know, I'm using one in my own 4-port 2.5G firewall appliance right now.
Fairplay, that's true. I think I was speaking off the hoof a little there. I just meant that they threw in the m.2 adapter in the package I bought from Ali as a one off extra... Looked online and that dint seem commonplace as an included accessory (happy to be told otherwise/proved wrong though!). Cheers for keeping me on the straight and narrow mate! Merry Christmas!
This is an awesome video and watched it so may times. I do have a question about the NVME on the underside of the base. Not sure if i missed it, but haw did that impact the fitting and placement of the actual motherboard? Since it would add to the size. Was there suiable space and with it being really covered, would that be detrimental to the SSD. becuase of limited cooling possibly available. I know soome nvme SSD's have a heatsink or can be added. Would love to hear what you think
Tbh this mobo is a bit of a mutant/irregular one. If it's wasn't for the vid, I'm not sure I would have got it, as at least the topton boards have some history behind them now. Also, got an odd Ryzen 7 semi-build in the works for Jan '24.
@@nascompares Craft Computing (the beer guy) is a fan of the Erying motherboards. He has used them in a couple of builds - the most recent is in a nas using the Audheid matx/mitx 8-bay case with the faux wood finish.
This 1 to 5 sata board.... I try this any time ago.... Not really good. Slow transfer(drive alone >100mb/s, on this board 20mb/s and lower) bad readings, checksum errors( store, read, check), up to "you dont have a drive" errors. After this, i order a used lsi card in hba mode.... 8 ports, full speed, no problems
Thanks for the video. Couple of questions: 1. Do you think this thing could fit RTX 4060/4060Ti (247mm)? A. Possible, B. Challenging but possible, C. Forget? 2. I've heard on the video that this build seems to be pretty loud. I am looking for building something to put in my living room, next to the TV. Do you think that replacing the rear fans with, i.e. Noctua, would help, or should I look for a bigger case with some dampening? 3. I would like to use my server beyond TrueNAS. WDYT about running TrueNAS under proxmox, and passing drives through? Any experience? Thanks!
I am fascinated by the UK slang for money. 1 pound is 1 quid is 1 nicker. I guess it is like in the US we say dollars or bucks. I just wonder if there is a regional usage behind the choice to use which.
Thanks for the video, I am looking to get/build a NAS for my home studio. I got lots of vids I made for my RUclips channel as well as other media that I want good access to.
Nice build. I'm a tad puzzled at going with TrueNAS Scale instead of UnRAID considering the drives aren't all the same size. I still can't decide if I'd want to buy all the drives up front and go with TrueNAS Scale, or buy a few drives and go with UnRAID with the idea of later expansion. I don't like that TrueNAS Scale forces k8s instead of Docker Engine, but I don't like that UnRAID permanently runs off a USB stick.
Unraid does not permanently run off the usb it only loads from usb into ram on boot then runs all in ram the only time it will write to the usb is when changes are made.
@@stewartbates3630 Yes, but if you unplug the USB or the USB has an issue after it loads, the server crashes because it can’t get to your license. There is no technical reason for that, none, and it’s a ridiculous design decision.
There is a reason for using a usb and stick it stated on the website saves using a sata port just to host the operating system, you can remove the usb stick and plug it into another system and be back up and running . If your using a good brand of usb you should have no issues should last many years your only reading during boot up . Unraid is really for home use maybes better off with truenas scale .
Personally, id go 2 nvme drive and a pcie to 8x sata 3 the x3 nvme can be a cache drive. Yeah you lose the 2 built on sata, but it evens out. That's assuming the 2 rj45s are at least 2.5 gb
Hi Robbie, Great video!! I am thinking of copying this exact build. Is it possible for you to list (and link) all the components you've used in this build? (Off course not including the storage media) That would be freaking awesome! PS. Were you able to measure the power consumption in the meantime? Thanks :)
@@nascompares I was unable to find the links to Jonsbo N3 + Erying i9 components, maybe I missed it somewhere. Perhaps you could guide me a bit to where you placed the link? 😁
I'd like to see a Synology Photo replacement running on it. How does it upload photo and video from a phone. And how well it transcoded home video recorded on phone. I'd like to leave Synology, but I don't know what photo and video backup would be like on my own diy NAS.
How does this motherboard compare to the Topton ITX + AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS? Also just wondering if ECC is all worth it for a server? It seems rather hard to find a good price that support ECC.
$30/TB seems absurdly expensive, you can buy here in Poland recertified 16TB Exos drives for around 800PLN (~200 USD, $12/TB) or brand new ones for 1200PLN (~300 USD, $19/TB)
Gotta factor in that pesky tax and shipping! Jokes aside, that's a solid price, but then again EXOS/Ultrastar type drives are fantastically unstable when it comes to pricing
What's necessary is on the eye of the beholder :) If you stick a more or less capable processor into your custom nas you might as well want it to be a homelab of sorts, which makes things like ipmi desirable if not mandatory. And there's the ever present "where's ecc ram?" Issue. And hba cards vs cheap (port-multiplier?) M.2 to Sata adapters.
I'd say "decent", "proper" requires a degree of perfection that is unattainable at this price point and form-factor - ecc, redundant power, hba, the works
That looks like an industrial board. The battery in the plastic sleeve reminds me of things I used to use ^^; Admittedly, my stuff came from Taiwan ^^;
Most Chinese brands print 80 plus ratings on the boxes but never go through the certifications or get anywhere near them. Its the one thing I'd never cheap out with.
hello, I want to build a NAS and i'm kind of new in the game. when looking online, it seems jonbso n3 is "the best". my focus would be that it is not too big (n3 is already at my limit) but I also want the NAS to be as quiet as possible. I assume that with a better airflow, this should be possible, because it can do cooling without extra fans. thoughts? I'm very close to going for the n3.
I'm wondering if I could pair this with an N100 board, something like an N100DC-ITX but problem is then I wouldn't have a dedicated power supply for the drives..
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Power usage would be nice to see to each of our builds. Europe energe is expensive and many people looks for low power builds. Maybe some video about "powertop" tool and how to decrease power consumption? Think about it as this is "hot" topic nowadays.
You sound like Eddie! 100% added to the to-do pile
Definitely agree with the power usage stats. Just picked up some cheap Refoss plug switches with energy monitoring and it's really interesting to see how much power is being used, especially if a NAS is going to be on 24/7
@@bottletop101 I did the same. I can't believe it costs about £250 a year to run my NAS. Almost cheaper to get cloud storage.
I bought a CWWK N5105 NAS motherboard and have been testing it with Debian 12 before trying it as a NAS. Low power usage is one of the goals. After some effort, I got S3 suspend-to-RAM to work, which can come in handy, but my first attempts at power saving with idle C-states has not been that successful. C-states were disabled in the BIOS, so I enabled them. Tried to auto-tune with powertop, but the system locked up. I'm still reading up on ACPI power saving states, but Wolfgang (has a youtube tech channel) says that the JMicron JMB585 chip that provides 5 of the 6 SATA ports prevents the CPU from entering the highest C-states with the greatest power savings. Anyone have any experience with that? Any workarounds or power optimizations that you can recommend on this subject?
BTW, I upgraded the BIOS to the most recent from 8/30/2023 to fix SATA bus reset errors while testing with a Samsung 850 EVO SSD, and to (supposedly) fix Wake On LAN problems. Haven't tested the latter, but the bus errors went away.
@@dktol56 I bought i3-12100 + Asus B760 D4 due to the cost reduction and I was able to reach C10 in 45% on proxmox without VMs but with 3xNVME and 3x12TB HDD. Power consumption was around 13W but when I added 20 containers (mostly related media server and file sharing) I end up on 22W on idle. C6 30% and C10 30%. It is great achievement compared to my old qnap 643d where in idle I had 60w. Unfortunetly due to a bad eth phy (Realtek) I can't use it as a NVR. Cam generates a lot of traffic on it and prevent mobo to go to higher C states. Instead of it I used Pi for NVR (cam have human detection build in and it was easy to connect to HA - Dahua)
Yes. I belive many of us are interested in power consumption (Idle and full blast with different scenarios) on this build nowdays. Merry X-mas!!!
Fantastic build!
Please note that some of the links in the description are unavailable.
Unfortunately the total build here in Italy would cost a huge figure more thinking of VAT, Customs, and most of all the °°°°ing postal costs if purchased from Ali.
Thanks Rob, you are constant inspiration for us (very very humble and) small IT managers and self builders for our customers solutions.
Happy 2024!!!
Great video! I've ordered N3 case and a Topton N100 based Motherboard. Evaluated a few other ITX motherboards, but stuck with the Topton N100, which I think is gives the max bang for the buck especially considering the very low 6W TDP.
I would have definitely gone topton too, if I hadn't already gone topton on the Jonsbo N2 build. Working on a vid for Jan on a 2 bay modded case with an AMD processor. Stay tuned
Another alternative would be using the Core i3-N305 instead of the N100. Main difference being it has 8c/8t and a 16W TDP which can be configured down to 9W.
What a fantastic job brother! Superb!
I have few comments if you allow me:
1- with such power (i9) I would NOT waste it to be TrueNAS only - my TrueNAS is on Intel N6005 and I never had issue with CPU
2- with such power I would go for Proxmox and there, TrueNAS as VM with direct passthrough disks to it I would add more memory though.
3- this way you have fantastic hypervisor with excellent NAS
but what do I know ;-)
Again: thanks for fantastic video.
Hey man. I debated for AGES about the eventual NAS OS setup for this build. It'll make sense in hindsight, but the reason I didn't go the proxmox route on this one was because my next build(ish) vid is at about 30% (aiming for end of Jan publish) is proxmox based. It's a bit of a fugly build, but I hope you enjoy it!
@@nascompares did I enjoy? do you NEED to ask? ;-) Thank you for your MARVELOUS job in 2023 and all the best in 2024! I think I am done with my DIY NAS but be sure I will NOT leave your channel ;-)
awesome video start to finish.
looking forward to power consumption in idle and load testing.
would like to see possibly a demo on how to reserve nvme ssds for a separate vm datapool in truenas scale separate from the spinning disks. haven’t seen anyone show how to do that in a truenas scale system. one of my systems set that as cache, which ended up not being useful with already ample/sufficient memory.
That might need to be something for a specific TrueNAS vid, but I've added it to the to do pile mate. Merry Christmas
@@nascompares still waiting on those power consumption numbers T.T
here here, please post power stats, this build looks like its gonna ruin my elecric bill @@nascompares
That mobo/CPU combo looks a proper steal!
Mate! I was blown away by the pricetag.
Yup. It's a Laptop CPU, which is why it's hard-mounted - It's soldered to the motherboard and not replacable.
Really helpful to someone looking to build their first NAS. There's so much data to sort through. Thanks for your work and clear presentation.
I have the 12800H version of this board. It was like 5 usd more that the 12700, but still more than 100usd cheaper than the 12900H version during the 11.11 sale. One of the really coolt things, that you can actually undervolt these boards, to further reduce the power consumption, while still having 99.5% of the original performance. The newer BIOS version (that you already has on your board by default) can handle XMP and undervolting much better than the original one, and overall made this board much more stable than it was when they released it.
Plus compared to the boards with 11xxx series CPUs, it handles virtualization, IOMMU, PCIe passthrough and other things much better (iirc pcie passthrough wasn't possible on the 11xxx series erying boards). This board is a (virtualization) power house, although I could not recommended the 12900H version, because the performance difference is minimal compared to the 12700H or 12800H versions, that makes it overpriced compared to those versions. In my opinion tho, Proxmox is a better choice as the main OS, because based on my experience, truenas cannot really leverage the full performance of this CPU, but it is just my 2 cents :)
"... you can actually undervolt these boards ... while still having 99.5% of the original performance" - ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE
did you manageto passthrough the igpu?
Can this mobo boot in headless mode?
After listening a lot your videos to decide between DIY or Prebuilt NAS I got mine yesterday to have the liberty of upgrading it and use unRaid "without" the size limitation.
Since there's no standard in PSU switch/connection location I had to plug the extension before getting the bracket back in place and as for the on/off switch I plan to open a vent on the side in case I need to switch it so I don't need to open the case. Depending on the motherboard I had to put the psu after the mobo and some cable connection that I wasn't able to do with the psu installed.
Lucky me I plugged my nvme Sata expansion under the mobo and I was able to put 4 cable with no problem and the other 4 on the mobo. So my nmve cache drive is on top and way more accessible!
I agree with you those spacers and handle are really weird I don't like it either... they should have been in plastic as if you screw them too tight it doesn't slide nicely .... I'm pretty sure someone will 3dprint something!
As for the fan I have to test some config as they are really noisy ... wasn't expecting that as I put Noctua fans in there. I don't even hear my PC but that thing is way too loud... I have to try without the grill and do my cable management as there's a lot of air restriction. I'm not a aerodynamic engineer but all those hole/perforation in the plate between the mobo and HDD may generate drag and cause noise instead of funneling the air.
Thanks for all you videos!
I'll speak on behalf of users reading this comment on the future, but thanks for sharing these build notes mate. If this vid goes anything like the Jonsbo N2 vid I made, people will be ploughing through these comments for pointers...and your comment I gold man! Cheers for sharing
A bit more test ... Definitely the fan in the bottom part needs to be plug on the motherboard as they will go 100% and even with the low noise adaptor they were still too loud. I'll put a temp sensor and try to manage them with it if they get too hot.
As a side note my power button light doesn't work anymore ... at the beginning it was lit only while powering up....
Thank you for this video. Excited about building my own next NAS this summer (northern hemisphere).
Amazing and Fun video Sir! Ty! Totally new to NAS. I'd like to have Media etc on mine. Need to learn how to organize and back-up OS and PC to it. I would like mine to be a jack of all trades.
My sincere best to you and your family!!
Awesome video! If not the Jonsbo case, what would you advise? I'd love to see how this build performs with Prox Mox, running a TrueNAS scale VM, Plex server and Linux/windows VMs as well... Am I expecting too much from this build?
Cool, you've finally done the Video I wanted after I've Finisher my own build 😅
Sorry man. But I hope it was good to watch
Much as I enjoy your videos, I feel the need to point out that English usually allows us to identify verbs from context. It's not necessary to prefix them with "go ahead and" quite so often.
Keep up the good work I'm using truenas scale for my home server/nas.
Lovely stuff, and thank you for the kind words man
Thank you, Robbie. This was exceptional 🎉.
Thank you, Merry Christmas! Can't wait until 2024 to see what's next
Thanks bud!
Thanks, Robbie, that is a fantastic video. I'm waiting for my storaxia .. I would like to see a couple of VMs running Windows or MacOS
Hackintosh? You dog! Tbh that's a great idea and if you use proxmox (as Storaxa say that they are building on) it will be a thing of beauty!
Apologies upfront!
The blue parts are called spacers, not washers, I believe?
Anyways;
I was learned always to install the memory first in case their heights might interfere with the CPU cooler/case-fans etc.
I would also point out, just to be made sure, to always check the arrows(!) on the side of any fans so you know what direction the airflow goes.
For CPU coolers, the fan should be blowing thru the CPU-cooler (and thus not suck air but blow air) and for the case fans, it is often used in the suck-direction (extract warm air from the case to the outside), otherwise you possibly almost might such dust & debris into your case.
I am surprised you did not put any heatsinks on the SSD's? (at minimum on the controller-chip)
For true noob's, this video is taking quite a few big steps. (such as double-checking all the ports on the rear when installing/sliding-in the MB, it can happen that an earthing-lip is inadvertently being bent outwards.
And I, always, ALWAYS recommend to the do cable-management, as that will help the airflow.
I do appreciate your efforts.
PS: The odd-looking adapter-board @32:25 is a mSATA to M.2 adapter-board. Until a year or two/three ago, mSATA's were quite popular (especially in portable systems & NUC-type situations) as they also had quite decent speeds and capacities. (up to 2TB, I believe)
No apologies needed man! Always good to be kept on the straight and narrow! I'm response to most of the points - it's mainly a case of video length and balancing what to include for the audience (between complete novices and those watching just to find out about 1-2 specific build points/case factors). Things like cable management are important as stated, but also a bit dull to watch and touch to film in such a tight case. Same with the m.2 Heatsinks - in this case I used 1 SSD That had a H/S already attached and (in efforts to keep the price under $599) I wanted to eliminate optional extras that some users might not want/need. That said .you totally got me on the fan arrows (didn't see/know that) and the names of the risers (I almost said "gromits" in the vid!!!!). Thank you for watching and helping the channel with your points in 2023 (I sincerely mean that man). It's those kind of things that helped me and this channel get better! Merry Christmas mate!
@@nascompares Kudos to you Robbie & Eddie, for all the efforts and hard work you do put into it, really impressive.
I do fully understand you wanted to keep the video balanced in length and what to include. Maybe it is a suggestion to do, as you have done before, several video-segments, where you dive into a bit more details about the building-steps?
I judge, based upon the reactions and other video's, your audience would really appreciate a bit more in-depth guidance. On the other hand, I can fully understand that is not your goal here, and rather want to show what is possible and how fairly easy it is to do. I.e. not a building-guide (although such would be a good video, I think, in multiple parts)
I do not know if it is something you would be considering, but maybe offer such a (completed) kit for sale via your regular methods/channel? Than such video's would most definitely help selling such. As you are selling your services/advice/consultancy, adding an affordable solution to your gamma, could be beneficial. Perhaps.
Again, just merely a suggestion, knowing your audience a wee bit.
Me merely pointing out some of the points was to forewarn readers/watchers of your video's that these also need a level of attention. I know for sure and am convinced you are not the infamous The Verge clusterf.ck PC builder from a while ago, if I had any really serious issues, I would contact you differently, not in a public place. And I never felt such a need, no worries.
I agree you had to take some creative decisions not to film the dull parts, as long as they are mention, either in the video, or in the comments. We are all here to learn and share idea's, and the ventilators mostly should have 2x arrows on the side somewhere, where 1x shows the airflow-direction and 1x shows the rotation-direction of the blades.
As for the gromits, although 'm no native English speaker, I believe the 4x rubbery thingies you had to screw into the HDD's are in fact grommets. Often used to pass-thru cables in holes with sharp edges, use for vibration-dampening etc.
Wishing you & Eddie and everybody else Merry Christmas and a smashing 2024, that we may continue to enjoy your content, in good health and lots of sharing and learning. And the humor plus occasional seagulls.
Thank You!
I would be interested in benchmarking the difference between the m.2 sata controller and an actual HBA LSI card just passing through the risks to the os.
Since it is common for many sata contollers including the asmedia chip to use port multiplier.
Which strictly means it will not be able to write simultaneously to all drives at once on the asmedia chip.
compared to a real raid controller card passing through the drives directly to the os.
The experiment would the be to utilize all 6 data on the m.2 data controller, benchmark and compare that to an HBA LSI controller in the pci card passing though 6 disks to the os.
I would find it interesting to see if there actually is a difference.
Best regards, keep up the good work and make us more great Nas videos.
Darkyere
I currently use the Silverstone m.2 to SATA adapter in the N3 with 8 disks in RAID 6, and over a 2.5GBE connection, it does saturate that in reads and writes (unsurprisingly)
If your build costs include case, mainboard/CPU, RAM, and PSU, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to get an 8 bay NAS for only $599 anywhere....; nice work! (I ended up paying $800+ shipping just to get my 6 bay +4 NVME Asustor 6706T shipped to me, so I'd say you did darn well!)
Its that Erying mobo bundle man...drove the right comically down!!!
Thanks for the video - Looking forward to building a small TrueNAS test system in 2024
Thank you for watching! Hope you make an absolute stunner of a system! Merry Christmas!
Watching all your videos getting pickled Thanks for putting the time in
I want to see more of these NAS Box build videos, because I want to build a reasonably priced and reliable NAS Box for a 10GB network without annoying restrictions. Special vendor locks are ridiculous and rude. 8 hard disk slots are enough and the boot disk must have its own extra connection. Ready-made NAS boxes can be expensive and only replacement works during the warranty period. The manufacturer does not offer any repair service for special parts and a broken part cannot be exchanged for another manufacturer's part. The situation is different if the NAS Box is built from purchased parts.
Add a 10GbE card and test performance, power and throughput. I'm looking for a 8-bay 10GbE NAS and this could be it.
Gonna opt for the QNAP QM2 card that has 2x m.2 and 1x 10GbE. Plus, this will be getting compared against the zimacube and storaxa (hopefully) in due course
Could you please update the article on this one? nearly all of the aliexpress links no longer work (the products dont exist anymore) including the motherboard itself.
Huge disandvantage of 99.9 % videos about NAS is absent power consumption of this build. It's critical information for devices that works 24/4.
Thanks so much, this looks like a great build. Is there a build list for this with affiliate links? The description only shows N2 and other builds. Thanks!
Thank you for the work you do! Very informative video!
Very jealous of that Jonsbo case. Trying to decide between an n2 & n3 for my NAS. Then on the silly side I think it might be fun to mount a Deskpi Super6c or Turing Pi in it so I can beat my head against physical clusting & attaching a pci raid controller to a raspberry pi.
Great budget build. What pc parts would you consider for a non-budget build.
Full Size ATX motherboard with Fiber Optic NIC, LSI HBA PCIe ( Fractal R5 or R7-XL )
Your future video I'm eager to see is when you evaluate the AOOSTAR WTR R7 PRO, in the context of comparative value with the various DIY builds you've done, and particularly this one.
*grins like a moron*, see you next week for a couple of absolute bangers.......(psst.. or RUclips membership early access). Have a fantastic Christmas!!!
I don't know about anyone else but I've never seen an off the shelf ITX board that doesn't have full size DIMM slots?
I think I've been swimming in Topton and Changwang boards too long...
Two Questions - First, could this box, as built, run a home server or a Firewall or Pi-Hole in a VM? Second, what about ECC memory? What m-ITX boards that handle ECC could do all I'd like in question 1? (edit to add - Thank you and please keep up your niche content - yours is the part of youtube that answers the really needed questions)
Hi mate. To answer your Qs. 1) yes, but it was would tremendous overkill in most respects. Better to use something like proxmox as a base, then run a NAS OS VM alongside a router/network VM. That would give you the best of both worlds, especially with a network card upgrade. 2) few ITX mobos seem to support ECC much, largely as the CPU/socket that most support do not tend to support ECC in the first place. Hope that helps and thanks for the kind words
Gigabyte and ASRock have B550 mini-ITX boards that support ECC (depending on CPU).
The airflow for the HD is very good even though there is a backplane blocking the fan. This case is big! well it is to be expected how else will you stick 8 HD in? The rubber on the HD does help to reduce vibration. It is a metal case, so expect vibration sound and fan noise.
Great build! Well done on the choice of the motherboard with the additional M.2 slots and the SATA adapter card. There don't seem to be many ITX motherboards with accessible M.2 slots to add the 6-port SATA adapter. I am curious when you do the AMD build for the Jonsbo N3 which motherboard you considering using? I haven't found any that have the M.2 placement to add the 6-port adapter card that seem to work because the M2 adapters seem to be buried under a mezzanine riser with heat sink making using for SATA adapter difficult.
Great video. I’ve ordered the mobo, ram and m2 6 sata. What was the mounting kit you purchased to hold the cooler as I can’t see it linked?
I give you a thumb up just for the intro 😆
Thanks man!
I really like those SFF NAS cases, but in my situation they are not feasible because I always recycle my old workstation mobo/RAM/CPU when I upgrade for proxmox and trueNAS (trueNAS as a VM inside proxmox). Also, the small form factor has too many limitations for my taste. I think I picked the perfect PC case for my homelab server, it's a Fractal Meshify 2 which has a moving panel inside that you can put in "storage" configuration allowing you to install up to 10 (or 12 I don't remember) 3.5" HDDs. Also the layout is very convenient since you can have 3x140 front intake and the drives live directly behind that, resulting in amazing airflow and very cool drives. I know it's a bit expensive for a case but it's very well built, very nice to look at and has excellent airflow... also it will last me for years it's already seen 2 different motherboard/CPUs and it's very convenient because when I upgrade I can just leave the drives on the case and just replace the motherboard.
Cool. Power consumption would be nice to know.
Already on the follow up list! Cheers and Merry Christmas!
Honestly, that's been one of the reasons why I haven't done something like this. I want Intel, for their graphics/encoding, but their power consumption is just not feasible for a 24/7 home server. From what I've seen their Meteor Lake (15th gen) line, looks to be a bit better, so fingers crossed.
@@nascomparesthanks and the same to you
Enjoyed this build video! I learned a lot! Thanks!
No worries. Glad I could help
At 59:00 you mentioned the full dim being rare, but ever modern itx board is based on that standard and sodimm is the rare sight. Or did I misunderstood something here?
I’m pretty sure he was talking about the usual configuration of motherboards that include a socketed CPU, like those with an Atom-based processor (J4105, N5105 or N100)
I'm looking for the specific part list for this build. I may consider it sooner than an alternative product I am waiting on. All I can find is for the Johnsbo N2 model. I am in Canada. Thanks!
My Jonsbo N3 is all up and running with unraid. Currently just 4 drives, and they're all next to each other (long story why they're not spaced out). During parity build, the drives got pretty hot. Actually hit the 45c warning, a couple of them anyway. I took a small room fan and put it right in front of the machine, facing into the drives. That keeps everybody happy. Currently low 30's, although the machine is just kind of hanging out. When it was doing real work, drives would tip up to mid-30's, with maybe one getting up to 38/39. Ideallly I don't need to have a room fan sitting in front of this thing, so wondering what people do with fans? The ones that come with the unit can be replaced, but I'm not sure how much that will help. Need to find some numbers on airflow. The top area where fans can be added seem like an option, but I'm guessing that won't do a lot as the air won't really be going over the drives. Worst-case, I'll just (somehow) attach fans to the front grill, but I actually like the look of the case and would prefer to avoid a crap build if I can.
i built one with my older 11900k and Z590, because it still has intel optane support, it is loaded for bear! Sonnettech McFiver PCIe Card, goodness. i almost watercooled it, but just too much $$ to throw at it. yep, little beast, thunderbolt 4 also.
Very nice. But just a not on you guide for the expensive built, then I bought the Power Supply in the link and it was WAY too big. It should be an StX, not the big one in your link.
have you seen the ADT-Link R54SF 4.0 adapter from m2 wifi to nvme? That + the same NVMe to 5 sata that you are using, you could test to see if that works and free the other nvme. At least in theory this adapter extension could go between whatever you have on the x16 slot and the back of the case, in other words, "below the GPU" and then do a turn into the hole to somehow secure it in the lower part of the case, perhaps with magnetic screws. You would need to estimate how long the extension should be as they provide different length options. I don't have it but this is what came to mind when I saw it.
nice system. could the hardware be used in the N1 and what about the power consumption?
Slap a 4-port 2.5G PCIe card in there and one could easily turn this into "FORBIDDEN FIREWALL!" by installing Proxmox and running a virtual Firewall/NAS/Docker container machine.
An "All-in-One" if you will.
I'll be honest, your use of "FORBIDDEN FIREWALL" made me smile! Thanks for that!
Would an external hard-drive attached to my router qualify as a bona fide NAS? What features or functionality might be lacking? Thank you, Tony.
Overall it's a nice build, but sweet Christmas. The drive handles and little rubber things. They are garbage, and it feels like Jonsbo could have come up with a better option without bumping the price much. I was putting the screws in like an idiot the first time and the drive fell from vertical to flat. Hope it still works (waiting on the MB, shipping, like life, doesn't always meet your expectations). If you are setting one up, my only advice. Screw in the weird drive bumpers from the side, with the drive flat on the table. Also, after the initial purchase, I went higher-end on various components. Got a really nice Coarsair PSU. Fully modular. However, the cable to the drive plate isn't long enough. Would have been a disaster if I hadn't *also* bought another PSU for the "power machine" of the home lab. Anyway, all wired and waiting for the MB. At the end of the day, it's a beast (hopefully). I'm looking at my synology 413j that's about to find a new home. Such good, slow times we had. Also have a DS920+, which is "fine", but "fine" sucks. Love the channel!
I am on the patreon, but not a lot of chatter. Big question, I understand the basic tradeoffs of ECC, but from a practical perspective, what's the TL;DR? The builds on the channel are focused on bare-minimum "nicker", which is great, but does a bit of buffer "nicker" for ECC pay off? Thanks in advance.
Great build!. I'm thinking of make a build with the topton motherboard. Question i see motherboards with n6005 processor, n5051, but also n100 processors. Can you point out a little bit the differences of these processors. I want to run unraid. on top of it, a few dockers and maybe an vm, but that will be more for testing etc. Can you give me advice for what kind of processor the best is for me?
I would really appreciate it if you could do a TrueNAS INSALL and SETUP on the Jonson N3 NAS for a complete novice with no server experience. I am an astronomer in County Durham UK with large photography data files that I need to access regularly. I have built all my own PCs and think that building the Jonah N3 NAS would be the cheapest way for me to get lots of storage with easy access.
The product link jonsbo is for N2 and not jonsbo N3 case. Awsome video.
If I want an mATX rather than mITX based NAS, what case would be recommended? They all seem to be mITX.
Either the fractal node 804 (with mods) or the U NAS / Audheid build vids coming soon
@@nascompares Sounds interesting. I shall keep an eye out for the video. The Fractal was an option, but all internal drives doesn't really offer much above the current tower case..
It seems there is no way to put 2.5 SATA SSD instead of 3.5 HDD ?
Would add some perforation in the case above cpu fan if honestly, doubt cpu will overheat even in such circumstances but still...
I think that wouldn't be too necessary, as long as you have a semi active cooler, or at least pop in a couple of 8-10cm fans on the back plates of the case
thanks for the vid, love your work! Geeks of the world unite!
Fantastic and inspiring video. I got one of these m2 nvme to sATA adapter you are using. Is there any specific port requirement for this to work? My Aorus B550i Pro Ax mobo does not dedect it.
@nascompares... thanks for the great video, I'm not sure if you covered the info regarding CPU / chipset lane counts and the resource sharing for the board you selected as that will also have an effect on other components, I am thinking of going down this exact route however would appreciate some clarification as the CPU you mentioned has 20 lanes and the Z690 block diagram shows 1x PCIe 5.0 x16 and 1x PCIe 4.0 for PCIE SSD / NVME to the CPU meaning filling other slots / drives will consume chipset bandwidth. The chipset has 8x DMI PCIe x4 lanes to the CPU resulting in 12 lanes left for PCIe devices (as per my understanding). I was thinking of adding a dual port 10Gbps RJ45 card and potentially utilising the spare PCIe lanes for the boot NVME using a PCIe 1-to-2 riser adaptor which will free up bandwidth on the 8 DMI lanes for the chipset (you had an additional 2 NVME drives connected which would be routing through the chipset, as per my understanding). I may be talking nonsense however would appreciate any clarification you could give. Thanks in advance :)
I may also be mistaken or misunderstanding as I read there are 28 chipset lanes (Z690) for devices + 20 direct to CPU giving a total of 48 however need clarification as to whether the 8 dmi lanes that connect to the CPU from the chipset will eat out of the 20 CPU lanes( leaving 12 out of 20 for PCIe) as usually it is stated eg Ryzen 9 7900x has 28 PCI lanes with 24 usable (4 going to the chipset). The ASRock Z690 Mobo appears to have better throughput to the Chipset than what the Asus ProArt x670e does which is surprising as it crams all their connectivity down 4 DMI 4.0 lanes yet the Z690 has 8 DMI 4.0 lanes. Help a brother understand please, lol.
You can probably ignore most of what I said as it appears the DMI lanes for Intel are separate from the CPU lane count (as per further reading) however feel free to clarify if need be.
my main concerns with the nas aimed itx boards is two fold, they either lack the x16 slot, or they lack a second m.2 with which to stuff one of those x6 sata port adapters into. or sometimes they lack both.
i want the x16 to stuff a gpu into for compute purposes, and the second m.2 for the very purpose you use the adapter for in this video, while using the other for the os drive.
that specific board you have is great, since it has both, but its also seemingly unobtanium at the moment.
Do look up ZimaCube... They are working on a system that is using a very unique 2 PCIe slot itx mobo (x16 + x4) with 2x m.2, 2.5G, 2x SODIMM and the CPU is preattached. I FULLY EXPECT that mobo to go mainstream on Ali soon enough and that will really shake up the mobos out there... Topton also has some fun hoards coming at the end of Q2
Hi. Really good video. Thanks for that. I have a few questions, if I may
1. How are the HDD temps on this build ? I noticed that the Rear fans have their airflow blocked by the backplane board. I believe this would limit the volume of air that runs trough the disks
2. What is the noise like when the disks are active. My current build is with node 804 and the the whole case rattles when my disks are in action. I'd like to know if this case has the same issues or not. Given that the disks are loosely secured, I'm curious about vibration mitigation
3. I noticed that you plugged the rear fans into the backplane board. Is there a way to control those fans or are they always at 100% RPM. Are they 3 or 4 pin fans ? I think they are 3 pin, but I couldn't really tell from the video
Thank you
The H-card M.2 adapter is not a one-off. CWWK uses them in all their N100/N305 fanless firewall/router appliances.
I know, I'm using one in my own 4-port 2.5G firewall appliance right now.
Fairplay, that's true. I think I was speaking off the hoof a little there. I just meant that they threw in the m.2 adapter in the package I bought from Ali as a one off extra... Looked online and that dint seem commonplace as an included accessory (happy to be told otherwise/proved wrong though!). Cheers for keeping me on the straight and narrow mate! Merry Christmas!
jesus... Ali express is changing over $100 for shipping for the JONSBO N3 now.
This is an awesome video and watched it so may times. I do have a question about the NVME on the underside of the base. Not sure if i missed it, but haw did that impact the fitting and placement of the actual motherboard? Since it would add to the size. Was there suiable space and with it being really covered, would that be detrimental to the SSD. becuase of limited cooling possibly available. I know soome nvme SSD's have a heatsink or can be added.
Would love to hear what you think
Nice I got a n3 after seeing your frist video love the case nice to see you build in it wish i went for that motherboard over the amd one i got
Tbh this mobo is a bit of a mutant/irregular one. If it's wasn't for the vid, I'm not sure I would have got it, as at least the topton boards have some history behind them now. Also, got an odd Ryzen 7 semi-build in the works for Jan '24.
@@nascompares its a good point and if the bored die not like you can take the cpu out , I was lucky with my CPU got 5700g for £100 off facebook
SOLD to the smart man!
@@nascompares Craft Computing (the beer guy) is a fan of the Erying motherboards. He has used them in a couple of builds - the most recent is in a nas using the Audheid matx/mitx 8-bay case with the faux wood finish.
Please do a all NVME DIY NAS.
Actually...come back tomorrow, in about 18hrs!
This 1 to 5 sata board....
I try this any time ago.... Not really good. Slow transfer(drive alone >100mb/s, on this board 20mb/s and lower) bad readings, checksum errors( store, read, check), up to "you dont have a drive" errors.
After this, i order a used lsi card in hba mode.... 8 ports, full speed, no problems
Have you seen the JMCD-12S4? It's a mATX 12 bay hotswap case. Kind of similar layout to the Jonsbo N3, but ITX for the latter is a huge downside.
Great, but i can't find the links for the components you're talking in this video! Am i wrong?
You are wrong.
I really don't think so. No link for the mobo, the psu, etc...
Link to motherboard? And others?
Thanks for the video. Couple of questions:
1. Do you think this thing could fit RTX 4060/4060Ti (247mm)? A. Possible, B. Challenging but possible, C. Forget?
2. I've heard on the video that this build seems to be pretty loud. I am looking for building something to put in my living room, next to the TV. Do you think that replacing the rear fans with, i.e. Noctua, would help, or should I look for a bigger case with some dampening?
3. I would like to use my server beyond TrueNAS. WDYT about running TrueNAS under proxmox, and passing drives through? Any experience?
Thanks!
Great build! I purchased the same motherboard and I am having issues with the second ethernet port not showing activity.
just for the intro ... like it!
Cheers man. Also, 10/10 beard in your user icon. Respect
What, almost all modern ITX boards have full DIMM slots. Sodimm on ITX desktop hasn't been a common place thing since like z490
I am fascinated by the UK slang for money. 1 pound is 1 quid is 1 nicker. I guess it is like in the US we say dollars or bucks. I just wonder if there is a regional usage behind the choice to use which.
Can you link the parts used in the comments
Thanks for the video, I am looking to get/build a NAS for my home studio. I got lots of vids I made for my RUclips channel as well as other media that I want good access to.
This system in the vid might be overkill for that (unless you want to edit on it), but this or a higher tier topton would suit you sure
$170 USD for case alone! Wow
Nice build. I'm a tad puzzled at going with TrueNAS Scale instead of UnRAID considering the drives aren't all the same size. I still can't decide if I'd want to buy all the drives up front and go with TrueNAS Scale, or buy a few drives and go with UnRAID with the idea of later expansion. I don't like that TrueNAS Scale forces k8s instead of Docker Engine, but I don't like that UnRAID permanently runs off a USB stick.
TrueNAS is the tits.
Unraid does not permanently run off the usb it only loads from usb into ram on boot then runs all in ram the only time it will write to the usb is when changes are made.
@@stewartbates3630 Yes, but if you unplug the USB or the USB has an issue after it loads, the server crashes because it can’t get to your license. There is no technical reason for that, none, and it’s a ridiculous design decision.
There is a reason for using a usb and stick it stated on the website saves using a sata port just to host the operating system, you can remove the usb stick and plug it into another system and be back up and running . If your using a good brand of usb you should have no issues should last many years your only reading during boot up . Unraid is really for home use maybes better off with truenas scale .
You can do multiple pools inside proxmox. As long as the drives are the same inside the pool it works
This is the video I've been waiting for 🎉🎉🎉
Glad to hear it mate. Have a bloody great Christmas!
Cheers for the video, I also hate those stupid rubber handles.
RIGHT!
I think Jonsbo should have made it simple: mATX motherboard + ATX PSU on the top and x HDD slots on the bottom. It would have been much better.
Personally, id go 2 nvme drive and a pcie to 8x sata 3 the x3 nvme can be a cache drive. Yeah you lose the 2 built on sata, but it evens out. That's assuming the 2 rj45s are at least 2.5 gb
Hi Robbie,
Great video!!
I am thinking of copying this exact build. Is it possible for you to list (and link) all the components you've used in this build? (Off course not including the storage media)
That would be freaking awesome!
PS. Were you able to measure the power consumption in the meantime?
Thanks :)
The links are in the description and article below. Power consumption video series (doing loads of different setups in 1 vid) in coming soon
@@nascompares I was unable to find the links to Jonsbo N3 + Erying i9 components, maybe I missed it somewhere. Perhaps you could guide me a bit to where you placed the link? 😁
I'd like to see a Synology Photo replacement running on it. How does it upload photo and video from a phone. And how well it transcoded home video recorded on phone.
I'd like to leave Synology, but I don't know what photo and video backup would be like on my own diy NAS.
How does this motherboard compare to the Topton ITX + AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS?
Also just wondering if ECC is all worth it for a server? It seems rather hard to find a good price that support ECC.
$30/TB seems absurdly expensive, you can buy here in Poland recertified 16TB Exos drives for around 800PLN (~200 USD, $12/TB) or brand new ones for 1200PLN (~300 USD, $19/TB)
Gotta factor in that pesky tax and shipping! Jokes aside, that's a solid price, but then again EXOS/Ultrastar type drives are fantastically unstable when it comes to pricing
@@nascompares That's post-tax (and I can deduct 23% VAT since I'm a business, not to mention income tax) and with free shipping 😁
@@MikrySoft would you mind sharing a link to where I can get those drives? Haven't been in touch with a Polish IT market for a long time now. Thanks!
Did u add 4 port sata to your build?? Itx only has 4 sata ports and nas case has 8 bsys???😢😢😢
This is a great video and well explained. And, who wants to throw more money on it if its is not strictly necessary !
Cheers man. Appreciated the kind words
What's necessary is on the eye of the beholder :)
If you stick a more or less capable processor into your custom nas you might as well want it to be a homelab of sorts, which makes things like ipmi desirable if not mandatory. And there's the ever present "where's ecc ram?" Issue. And hba cards vs cheap (port-multiplier?) M.2 to Sata adapters.
Proper NAS. Nice one.
Ta!
I'd say "decent", "proper" requires a degree of perfection that is unattainable at this price point and form-factor - ecc, redundant power, hba, the works
That looks like an industrial board. The battery in the plastic sleeve reminds me of things I used to use ^^; Admittedly, my stuff came from Taiwan ^^;
Tbh, it's 2023, and all the best stuff still does!
Most Chinese brands print 80 plus ratings on the boxes but never go through the certifications or get anywhere near them. Its the one thing I'd never cheap out with.
Finally 😂, thanks for the video!
No worries. Hope you enjoy it
Currently, I am looking to do the Jonsbo N3 build with Minisforum BD790i. Thoughts?
hello, I want to build a NAS and i'm kind of new in the game. when looking online, it seems jonbso n3 is "the best". my focus would be that it is not too big (n3 is already at my limit) but I also want the NAS to be as quiet as possible. I assume that with a better airflow, this should be possible, because it can do cooling without extra fans. thoughts? I'm very close to going for the n3.
I'm wondering if I could pair this with an N100 board, something like an N100DC-ITX but problem is then I wouldn't have a dedicated power supply for the drives..