Out of all the emotional moments of the film, for some reason its Carpathia showing up at the end that gets me. The heroic comparitively little ship that battled through the night, her proud siloutte bathed in the morning sun. And yet her best efforts were too late for most on board, and all she could do was quietly tend to the few who'd survived.
Imagine being a survivor and staring up at that comparatively enormous black wall of a hull, like some sort of mechanical angel that swooped in out of the night to rescue you. Imagine being Bruce Ismay, laden with the guilt that your ship has taken 1500 souls with it, and seeing your competitor come to save the survivors and feeling a bit of relief that at least some will be ok. Carpathia and her crew are the true definition of heroes, full stop.
The first time I saw the movie, I cried when Jack died. The second time I saw it, I cried at the sunrise shot of the Carpathia with the Celtic vocals over it and the ice all around.
I love the fact that not only the crew of Carpathia were a big help but the passengers on that ship too. Giving the survivors [a bed in] their rooms, giving them clothes, blankets, etc.
As the Carpathia started to race towards the disaster scene Rostron being the pious man that he was raised his cap about 2in and started to pray. Also, before leaving the scene in the morning of the 15th he had everyone assembled for a brief service in memory of those lost and in thanksgiving for those saved. He said after the rescue that a hand other than his must have been on the helm that night
On Carpathia, thanks to the efforts of the engineering department, she was actually sailing faster than she ever had! I read they shut down every non-essential system including heating so that they could pile more steam to the engines!! Personally, I don't think enough is made of the crew and passengers of RMS Carpathia with regard to the succour they gave to the survivors of Titanic.
I heard what they did was actually a big gamble as they were risking legit overworking Carpathia's engines trying to get to Titanic as fast as possible. As seen on ships like the Sultana a boiler explosion from an overworked boiler/engine can be quite catastrophic. Had Carpathia's machinery failed from the stress two ships could have ended up at the bottom of the ocean that night. But lucily despite being pushed to her max if not even beyond her max, Carpathia held together.
@@justinlynch3 She was an old ship. Fortunately, Capt Rostron and the chief engineer knew their jobs AND equipment. They took calculated risks to save lives.
It takes a skilled engineering crew to run a ship above it's stated top speed, presumably by going above maximum operational pressures, essentially red-lining them, while being under operational conditions, ie imperfect sea states, average fuel quality, with cargo and passengers on board, etc and to do it for a sustained period. That is undeniable skill and experience, and also a testament to the stokers, who must've worked incredibly hard to keep the boilers at maximum pressure.
Captain Rostron also fired rockets every 15 minutes, simply to reassure any survivors that would see them, that help was on the way. This is not to mention that he put his own crew and passengers into harms way by speeding through the ice field. In fact, he even shut off the heating to the passenger cabins, so that every ounce of steam could go to the engines.
Rostron also added extra lookouts for a total of six. In addition to the two in the formast's crow's nest there were two on the bow and one on each bridge wing. It was the men on the bow in fact who spotted icebergs in Carpathia's path first giving the ship time to manuver around them which suggests that a crow's nest might not have been the best place for spotting icebergs at night. At Any rate Rostron and his crew did one hell of a job that night!
@@Aren-1997 No doubt! I wonder if James Cameron shot some Carpathia footage like he shot some concerning the Californian. He said he couldn't use the Californian sequences as the film was running too long as it was and I have to think if the same might have applied to any Carpathia footage?
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 I remember him telling, he actually didn't include this in the film, as the whole Californian affair would distract viewers from the sinking itself.
It's a shame a lot of historical accurate scenes in Cameron's Titanic got deleted (the Strauss staying onboard, 2 scenes about lifeboat 6, Astor explaining to his wife how lifebelts work etc).
I think what annoys me most is that there's the big dining room scene where Rose introduces Jack to all the "main players" as I call it - Ismay, the Astors, the Duff Gordons, Countess of Rothes, etc., and it felt like a big set up for us to track what happens to these people throughout the sinking... And we just don't see most of them again in the film.
Yeah, that's definitely me too! I'll be honest, I was a horny young teenager when I was introduced to the film a decade ago, but it was through repeat watchings of the film that eventually made me want to study history, especially the story of the Titanic. So, I have James Cameron to thank for that, I guess lol
@@DavidHutchinson0713 Yeah, I mean as a kid you're not really thinking along those lines but for me as a two or three year old it was seeing those giant engines and the ship sticking put of the water and the general design of the ship, kinda horrible situation to be in, when you actually think about it and know the history of the people and the sheer bad luck of it all. And yes, a little later on after not seeing the film in years I was not impartial to a bit of hot Kate Winslet boob. Man, being an infant in the 2000's seems like such a libertine paradise looking back at it. It's better then the bland, sterile guff we have now.
I've seen that a few times. Last time I saw ANTR, what I started to get puzzled by how they showed 1st class passengers NOT wearing evening wear. As far as I've been able to understand, this should not have been the case.
@@TrekBeatTK As you probably know, there's also the episcopal hymn Autumn. I don't know if there's been a definitive word on which is the last one played by the band.
Where the line “ship of dreams” comes from is the gorgeous coffee table book by Don Lynch and Ken Marshal, Titanic: An Illustrated History. This is how Mr. Lynch introduces the book. A 2nd Class survivor, the late Ruth Becker Blanchard had described Titanic that way in several interviews and why it’s dedicated to her.
I was gonna say it doesn't sound like something the marketers and designers of the ship would say, it sounds like something maybe some of the passengers would say. Sailing to a "new world" and all.
I’ve got that book! It was brand new (back when it was first published) and cost me $70 which was an awful lot of money for me then. It was on the coffee table and my parents’ Great Dane wagged her tail and knocked my glass of coke all over it. I was devastated, mum helped clean it, but it still sports cola stains on some pages. I can laugh about it now but back then it had taken me a lot of effort to buy.
@@andreagriffiths3512I bet you have a lot of value in that book! haha. If you ever needed a new one it might be on Amazon and way less the price it was then. But optional!
The dangers of the wagging tail of a large dog are well known in my house. 🙂 I’ve lost countless glassware, dishes and magazines that way. When I heard this book was being published in December of 1992, I knew I had to get it. So I pre-ordered it and waited impatiently for the bookstore to call. It was a birthday present to myself and I got the 1st copy in my town. The store was so impressed with it, they ordered 5 more and those sold out the first week. I like to think I helped create their Titanic section.
Having served in the US Navy, I love the bells device that tells what throttle level the engines should be at. We used the same technology on a nuclear powered submarine nearly a century after the Titanic. On ships, sometimes a technology that gets it right the first time never becomes outdated. On a side note, the steam turbine that ran the center screw had only one speed. Thus, you could only use it for answering all ahead full. So, the Titanic could never utilize the center screw until they were in the open Atlantic where the depth of the ocean allowed for higher speeds. Still think it is amazing they had steam turbines for ships that early in the 20th century.
The final messages between the Titanic and other ships that night always gets so me. I can't imagine what it would have been like to listen to the ship call out in distress, then go silent. To know that the people on the other end of the line are dead
I read those messages while visiting in the Titanic museum in Belfast. They are really chilly and really got to me. Especially the last one (don't know if true): "S. O. (silence)..."
I was a child when 'Raise The Titanic' was released, and when it came on TV a year later my Father and I watched it together. Being puzzled that there were funnels still standing having already watched 'ANTR', I remember Dad saying the ship couldn't be raised in real life anyways because of how things rust and corrode over time (I kinda knew it by then because being a Canadian kid leaving Tonka toys outside over winters - let alone real cars and all)... Part of that "Don't believe everything you see or hear, Son" moments. Respect to my Friend, Mike Brady.
"Raise the Titanic" (1980) was what I thought of as well. Definitely impressive for the time, but amusing now being older, wiser, and better informed. 😊
Also not to mention how the Titanic was still in one piece, as the movie came out in ‘80 and they didn’t discover the Titanic wreckage until ‘85. Some survivors mentioned how it broke in half but I guess some people didn’t believe them for whatever reason.
@@samelliott5922out of the 706 survivors, 14 stated that it broke. Their recollections were attributed to the horror & tragedy of that night. Besides, White Star Line already had to concede that the shop sunk; they weren't about to admit it broke as well.
Regarding the scene where Captain Smith seems to be in a state of shock: This was an almost perfect representation of Lightoller's testimony, except that in Lightoller's version the Captain didn't answer at all but just nodded.
James Cameron did a fabulous job making this movie. It is absolutely STUNNING. Beautifully tragic, best way I can explain it. It still, to this day, gets me emotional. I can't imagine what those poor people and animal's went through. Just heartbreaking.
Although the characters of Rose & Jack are fictional and they never were on the Titanic when it sank on April 15th 1912, Cameron made the right decision to create and use them as a plot device to carry the message of the ship, the sinking and the impact to a 21st century audience. Knowing barely anyone was even alive who survived the Titanic at that point in the mid-90s. Trying to make it relevant to the present day, opting for a lovestory was a great choice.
That's exaxtly how I know when someone has not watched the movie. Most would say "not into the romantic bruhaha blah blah" but the sinking part was about everybody involved with the ship, not Jack and Rose, and realizing that this happened in real life is a tear jerker. The scenes with children tear me apart.
There's a 2012 doco/film by the Irish Film Board called Heroes of the Titanic, that focuses mostly on Stokers/Fireman and Electricians/Engineers. I've watched it many times, and it doesn't get anywhere near the attention it deserves compared to other Titanic films.
As a child, I remember my mother had purchased a VHS copy of Nat Geo's Secrets of the Titanic. It quickly became one of my favorite things to watch, and to this day, I still have it on my Amazon account.
The discovery of the wreck in 1985 kicked off my interest but way back then, research was very restricted and difficult, especially here in Australia.....the internet has, of course, changed all of that and now we have people like you Mike, who do a beautiful job of explaining this subject in a human, understandable fashion that makes the story of the Titanic still so relatable, even in this modern age. Thank you.
yeah I remember being maybe 8 years old and seeing Robert Ballard's book Discovery of the Titanic at my school library....that amazing image of the ship's bow on the seabed, lit up by the spotlight from the submersible...that was what hooked me in (and then the following year when the ship made a cameo in Ghostbusters II...oop)
@@Abcity92 Ikrrr I wish they found her earlier but come on this happened in 1912. The tech in 1912 was nowhere near as good as it was in the 80's, which was a way more modern time.
One of my favourite scenes is the scene where the engines are slammed into reverse. I think that scene was so well done, especially the pause of disbelief from the Chief Engineer before he worked out what was happening
1997 Titanic movie by James Cameron is an absolute masterpiece together with James Horner's ( RIP ) soundtrack made by incredible Sissel's vocals. The opening scene of the movie is just 😭🙌🙏👌
Watch "a night to remember" it t tells the same story and you can see James Cameron got a lot of his ideas from this film. Also this film doesn't rubbish the memory of quite a few involved
I was 11 when I saw this masterpiece in theaters. Am 37 now. The music is amazing and is as bigger if not bigger than the motion picture itself. When a soundtrack really meets the films grandure on all levels.
@@ninino86 Completely agree!! There's only one movie that comes close to the Titanic soundtrack and it's Gladiator and Hans Zimmer's masterpiece. I was 10 back then in 1997, still keeping the original tickets!! Indeed Titanic movie soundtrack is a class on its own. Did you know James Cameron insisted that a whole soundtrack is going to be instrumental and vocals only. No full song singing with lyrics. But despite all that James Horner went against the rules and traveled from the movie set in Mexico to Las Vegas for Celine Dion to perform a song for him. Upon his return to the set with the demo James Cameron was against the idea, right up until he heard Dion's voice. And the rest is history. What a bold move from an incredible artist. And one of the best descriptions of the soundtrack is as follows: Celine brought the emotion of love, Sissel brought the emotion of loss...
Regarding Titanic's lighting and the electrical machinery, the main generators on the tank top were probably abandoned fairly early on in the sinking, perhaps not long after Titanic blew off her head of steam. Power generation would have been transferred to the emergency generators, which were located under the dummy funnel on D-Deck. This was well above the waterline, and would have possibly given the engineers a few more seconds to escape as they didn't have to climb all the way from the tank top to the boat deck.
According to trimmer Thomas Dillon, they tried to use the four main generators as long as possible, and the backup generator wasn't brought online until some time after 1:30, by which point boiler room 5 was already lost and the four aft boiler rooms had to be shut down to avoid a possible explosion. He recalls that just after he helped the electricians start it up, the chief ordered him to climb up the funnel and see what was going on out on-deck, and that just as he reached the top, the ship split open underneath him.
Great stuff as always Mike. I’ve always thought Smith gets a bad rap when it comes to the evacuation of Titanic. Considering she was a new ship on her maiden voyage, the crew wouldn’t have been as familiar with the ship as they might have been after even a couple of voyages. Even just basic things like the internal layout, where emergency equipment was stowed etc. There hadnt even been a lifeboat drill! Considering all that, the fact they got all but two of the boats away is pretty impressive. Thanks for the content as always!
Good point. Plus they would not have been a "team" by then. Many of them had probably never worked together before and hardly any of them would have had to deal with such a situation before. You can have all the training there is, but the actual event is going to be way beyond it. I always think that when I am watching documentaries about airline crew training and so on. It is one thing to be sliding down chutes in a practice area, with people who are "in on it;" something completely different in the middle of an ocean, with maybe a burning plane and hundreds of terrified and possibly injured people. I think the owners tried to foist blame onto people who could not defend themselves, because they were dead. So most of the survivors were heroes, while those who didn´t weren´t! Seems a cock eyed idea to me, but they were desperately trying damage limitation.
I remember seeing 'Titanic' when it came out in theaters. I was 5. I brought swim goggles for when the ship went under; in retrospect, it probably helped me tune out the depiction of frozen floating corpses.
Never fails to amaze me how you are able to take a fresh look at a subject so extensively covered. Totally absorbing and wonderfully presented really makes for an addictive channel. Thank you for another fantastic episode and for the work you put into it. 👌
An interesting bit of information: not long after the release of the Titanic movie, I read somewhere that Titanic's departure from Southampton as shown in the movie had a glaring error: in the movie you can see the propellers starting to turn while the ship is still in the dock and the clearance between her keel and the bottom of the dock is only a couple of feet. The person criticizing the movie claimed that if Captain Smith had really started the engines in the dock, it would have ruined the dredged bottom, and... quote... "he would have been looking down the double-barelled fists of a very angry pilot." Not sure, how much truth there is to this claim (and how accurately I quoted the gentleman), but it totally made sense.
@@adde9506 She was assisted by tugs, indeed. Six tugs, as a matter of fact: Albert Edward, Ajax, Hercules, Hector, Neptune and Vulcan. There was a near miss during Titanic's departure, she displaced so much water in the channel that the current caused the mooring lines of another steamship to snap, and the ship almost collided with the Titanic. You see, if the Titanic's passage created such a strong current, its propellers would have wreaked havoc on the dredged bottom of the dock so, allegedly, she did not start her engines until the tugs towed her out of the dock to a point where the water was deep enough. I'll try to dig up my old sources, but a lot of discussions took place in the early days of the internet when people still used something called Usenet to have discussions like today's forums. As far as I remember, the gentleman who set the record straight about the propellers was Daniel Allen Butler, the author of "Unsinkable", but I'm not 100-percent certain.
@@MrTrancelatorthis gives us an idea of how unfamiliar was the sheer size and power of the Titanic for her time. People still learning how to properly maneuver her from the docks.
The part where they try their damnest to keep the lights on, always breaks my heart and its so chilling. I hope all those men huddled together in their last moments. Tomas Andrews, Joseph Bell, Captain Smith, and first Officer Murdoch, you all did great. You have my respect and are heroes. Rest in peace, men.
Also comfort. Olympic and Titanic were remarkably stable when out at sea, whereas Mauretania and Lusitania suffered from vibrations in the stern due to the Parsons turbine engines driving the propellers at full speed.
It's a little more complicated than that: Cunard's third class accommodations were pretty unimpressive even for the time, and they charged above the standard rate for those berths purely on the basis of a faster crossing. Their profits were based on getting as many people across the Atlantic as possible every single year. White Star, by comparison, emphasised the (relatively) comfortable conditions, (relatively) good food, (relatively) excellent service _and_ unbeatable pricing of their cheapest tickets, since _their_ business strategy was to convince third class passengers to save up once they got started in the New World, then either have their families in Europe sail White Star when they came over after them, or to sail White Star themselves going back to Europe for holiday visits. With regards to first class, it's more a matter of taste and style: The British nobility of the time tended to gravitate towards the classic French rococo-inspired opulence of Cunard, but many American passengers really did prefer the more modernist and even art nouveau-inspired stylings used by White Star and Harland & Wolff.
For me, the ''the ship of dreams'' translated as the passengers onboard the ship to the destination of the New World dreaming about new possibilities when reaching it. The dock scene perfectly shows the Berth 44 as a White Star Dock currently named Ocean Dock built from 1908 to 1911 with a two-floor moving passenger gantry crane used for boarding. It was the same gantry used for Titanic, Olympic, and Britannic and other ships able to move thanks to being located on rails. Aside was an elongated shed for luggage sorting, and indoor and outdoor passenger train stops with a second-floor gallery for boarding, and viewers. It was torn down after WWII to give a view to an art deco Ocean Terminal that opened in 1950 and was torn down in 1983.
" Ship of dreams" is noticeably ABSENT from not only advertising, but public perception of the day. You can dress it up as " Rose's interpretation" all you want, but that doesn't alter the fact that this term is an invention by the screenwriters. Remember, too, that " Rose" is an entirely fictional character, so any hyperbolic statements are so much misinformation
Something I noticed, is in reference to the Central propeller only rotating when Titanic was " going at a fair clip" has to be re-examined. Just looking at the near collision with the liner " New York", this was caused by the immense " suction" created by the propeller rotation, ALL THREE propellers, and Titanic at this time was certainly not " going at a fair clip", but all three propellers must have been rotating to creat enough suction to pull in another passenger vessel, a lot smaller, but still a large object. " Olympic's" collision with the RN cruiser " Hawke" was the result of similar " suction" force, drawing the cruiser into the right rear of the stern , with Hawke's strengthening of her bow for ramming doing the damage. But Olympics was in much more open water, and was actually engaged in something of a " race" with the Hawke, so her three propellers had a much higher " suction" power. " Titanic" was still making her way past other ships at berth, and was clearly NOT " going at a fair clip", but still had enough suction power to snap " New York's" mooring lines and draw the rear of the liner towards Titanic's propellers. This collision was only avoided by quick action from Southampton tugs, managing to push " New York" away with not much space to spare.
@@ChrisJensen-se9rj Umm, I did not mention Rose or anything about the almost accident when Titanic was leaving port. I know Rose played by Kate Winslet is a fictional character. I did not mention advertising, or dress it up as " Rose's interpretation". It's not ''hyperbolic statements are so much misinformation''. 🤨😒I have watched many ocean liner documentaries, and read books about immigration to the USA. It's quite rude, childish and appalling to add things I did not mention .It comes off pretty much mean-spirited. I meant the "ship of dreams" about the "American dream" popularised in the 30s or the "land of promises" that most passengers or immigrants that travelled across the Atlantic for a "better life" decades well before Titanic was built. In dreams and wishes those passengers wanted a better life they knew back home to leave all behind and travel to the ''Ņew World'. My relatives left for the USA before WWII for a better life and feeling unease in Europe just like many others. Learn the text CONTEXT not add things that are not there.
@@ChrisJensen-se9rj BTW Titanic also was an immigrant ship with the third class being the biggest in the count of passengers in search of a better life which was their wish and dream. That's why the "ship of dreams" hyperbole. The movie depicts the first, and third classes. It was a common theme for immigrants to have a wish and dreams for a better life in many books, letters and documentaries for travelling across the Atlantic Ocean.
Even contemporary people did not refer to Titanic as " The Ship of Dreams". Not in common vernacular, not in advertising, not in publicity by White Star Line, so why include it at all? One might as well call it " The Ship of Profits" if that's the case. Tell it like it was.. " And it was, it WAS!"
I saw ANTR as a very small child when it was on tv, and that had the same effect on me as the 1997 has had on the younger generation. I was fascinated by the sinking; not because of the technical stuff so much as the human stories, many of which we will never know. There was a tiny impoverished village in Ireland. A young woman emigrated to the US and made a good life for herself. She went back home to visit and something like 14 or more of the young people chose to go back with her. They were 3rd Class on Titanic. None of them made it. I think she did, but I may be wrong. This village was tiny, and that was a goodly chunk of their hopes gone. They knew they would be unlikely to see their children again, but what parent wants to think of them dying that way? Many of them had scrimped and worked to get them their passage and a few pounds to start off with, just like people in Developing countries now. They probably hoped they would be able to send a little something home to provide for any siblings. In effect they lost their children Twice. I find that unbearably sad.
Its been great finding your channel. I love how you tell the stories from these old ships and the what the human experience of them may have been like. Could you maybe do a video explaining how much a ticket may have been and what was included in that, food, drinks etc etc. Was it essentially all inclusive or were there add ons like the al a carte (SP??) restaurant. What was the difference in price between the different classes and what did they get for their money. How much would it have been in todays money? Thankyou JohnJack
There is a guy called Max Miller who has a channel called "Tasting History" In it he recreates old recipes and tell you the history behind them. He spent an entire month dealing with Titanic, from the first class right down to the stokers, what they would have eaten, their accommodation and so on. He recreated one dish from each of the various menus, which would have been the last meals served before she sank. Curiously there wasn´t That much difference between the first and 2nd Class menus; the 1st just got more choices and extras. The same with cabins. Some of them were interchangeable. A bit like getting an upgrade on a plane I guess. 3rd class was a lot grimmer. But they still got better food and accommodation than most of them would have had in their entire lives. Some of it was gruel and bread and cheese, but they got one proper meat or fish and veg meal every day. It was decent British everyday fare that I would cook for myself now. I think it will answer a lot of your questions.
As always, a well rounded and balanced commentary. I am a Titanic 'aficionado' and I love the movie Titanic and have probably watched it close to 30 times. Most recently, I purchased the 4K version from Amazon USA and watched in on a top line 4K TV with Dolby Atmos and it was awesome. I had already noted most of what you have brought to our attention in this video but it was wonderful to see your fair treatment of the topic. Well done as always!
There was a really good Titanic film, possibly a TV production, that came out only a year before Cameron’s film, that featured Catherine Zeta-Jones, George C Scott, and Tim Curry…it had the same romantic subplot, with the lower class boy and the upper class girl…that one is one of my favorites. I liked the 1997 version too, of course, but at the time, I thought Leonardo was a teen idol with little talent…I’ve since then come to regard him as one of the greatest actors ever
I got invested after watching the 1953 film on TV when I was a kid. This was around 1986 or so. There had been some info about the disaster on encyclopedias, world almanacs, etc. But lack of illustration, photographs. Of course Cameron's Titanic came out at the same moment Internet started being a thing, so there were resources to look for. There are so many creepy things. No moon, the band playing, such a big ship splitting in two, the minus zero weather...
@@edwie actually I read that the 1953 film, “A Night to Remember” is regarded as the most factual Titanic movie…maybe it was because many of the Titanic survivors were still around.
In the early '90s ('93-'94) I decided there was lots of misinformation myth and hype about the Titanic so what got me started was a desire to sort fact from fiction as best I could
Great, informative video, thank you! The portrayal of Lightoller is an interesting one - so different between the Night to Remember and Cameron's Titanic. I personally like the former better, and I'm glad they included the scene when they paddled, balancing on a collapsible, with the 2nd officer in charge.
Thanks for the great video again 😊 when the movie came out, I was 10 years old and I still remember how my mom and I had to sit on the stairs in the movie theater, since all the seats were already gone 😅 they totally overbooked the screening but we wanted to watch the movie so we stayed with a lot of others :) great memories and one of the reasons why I always stayed interested in this topic of Oceanliners. Greetings from Germany 😊
15:34 there's also another thing in that shot. If you zoom in that frame, look below at the base of the 2nd funnel, it shows the gymnasium on the port side. The gymnasium was actually at the starboard side at the base of the 2nd funnel. That whole overhead view from the bow to stern is mirrored. I dont know why they did it, but it's a mirrored shot of the large miniature model. (Note: that shot is not from the large scale model)
Apparently they only built half of the model, and mirrored it for the other side. If you look up any behind the scenes of the boarding scene, all text is reversed.
This brought tears to my eyes. The bravery and heroism of those engineers and all involved in saving lives was truly incredible. May they rest in peace. Thank you for reminding me of a movie I love so much. I saw it 3 times at the cinema when it was released. It's been years, I'll have to watch it again soon.
The Carpathian's journey to get there for the titanic is literally one of the most heroic and harrowing rescues of all time which only makes the fact that they were too late for so many kind of a bummer
The Titanic movie is what got me interested in her story as well, and that opened the door to learning about ocean liners in general. If not for Titanic I likely wouldn’t have even learned about Olympic or Britannic or even Mauritania. It’s certainly a great movie to watch and while not 100% accurate, for the time, it was pretty dang close. I’d like to see more breakdowns about other scenes like the Grand Staircase implosion, The First Class Saloon going under, maybe even the deleted ones as you see the Gymnasium, JJ Astor and Ben Guggenheim in the Grand Staircase and so much more. You also get to see some of the dogs running on deck which is an admittedly funny moment. There’s a lot to talk about with this movie! Excellent work as always, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you for all your videos! Titanic was a massive special interest of mine when the movie came out. I wasn’t allowed to see it on account of the rating and being 7 at the time. My poor mom, thinking I would forget about it, said I wasn’t allowed to see it until I was 10. Oh boy. I read every book in every my library that I could get my grubby little hands on, including ones that were too big for me to understand at the time. I made this boat my entire personality and bless my mom. On my tenth birthday she pulled out all the stops took me to another state to visit a Titanic exhibit at a museum and watched that movie with me and I will always remember it! Although I will admit, little me wanted less romance and more boat, lol. I kept it as a main special interest for many years before getting swept away by other pursuits, and watching your videos about her feels so nice. I appreciate all your hard work and passion!
Please, please, please make this a series. I would love to see you breakdown movie ships and teach us more about them. On Titanic, I remember being probably 12 years old and asking my mother to get this movie when she went to Kmart. To be honest, I'm surprised she remembered and actually found the movie for me. She was never big on technology and vhs tapes were probably as new age as she got. I remember those VHS tapes fondly. Two instead of one, in a cheap paper box. I begged my mom for a big notebook and diligently copied as much of the dialogue from the movie as I could, calling it my Titanic script. I drew the ship over and over. I had a heart necklace that I pretended was the Heart of the Ocean and a book with rudimentary ship plans that I traced to make a poster. This ship took over my preteen life and I still love it, I just have the internet now to continue my fascination. Actually, I think this was the second movie that made me fall in love with ships because I never missed watching Poseidon Adventure (OG with Gene Hackman) if it was on the TV Guide. Also, Titanic made me interested in the age of sail purely because Ioan Gruffudd (not sorry) who played Lowe on Titanic and was Horatio Hornblower in the newer Hornblower series. Good memories.
Hey Mike I really enjoyed your commentary on James Cameron's classic! Was wondering if you could provide commentary on the docu-drama "Saving the Titanic". I remember you saying that you loved the film when I asked you about it during a live stream a while back and it's one of my absolute favorites, so I would love to hear your commentary on that amazing docu-drama!
Great show Mike! "Ship of Dreams" could come from one of two sources. In Don Lynch and Ken Marschall's 1992 book "Titanic, An Illustrated History" there's a chapter titled "Ship of Dreams." It's almost a certainty James Cameron was familiar with the book, many of the scenes in his Titanic film are reproduced from photographs in it plus Ken Marschall's paintings. There's another Titanic book called "Titanic, End Of A Dream" by Wyn Craig Wade. Not really a history a of the ship it's a history of US Senator William Alden Smith's investigation into the disaster. Wade's treatment of the story is pretty clever, we the readers hear about the disaster when Senator Smith does but don't find out what happened on the ship until Senator Smith and his colleagues do during the course of the investigation. It seems like a stretch of the reader's willing suspension of what they know about Titanic but Wade makes it work. (And it was a GOOD investigation by the way!) Anyway, the "dream" bit may have been inspired by the Wade book as well.
Marschall and Lynch were both consultants on the film, and they themselves seem to have gotten the phrase directly from their personal correspondences with survivor Ruth Becker. It probably wasn't used in any contemporary sources, but it definitely plays to the posthumous romanticisation that occurred after the disaster, even in the minds of those who lived through it.
I loved this, if you did too, please do more. And also when you started talking about The Carpathia and its brave captain my eyes started tearing up. Its amazing to think of all the things he did, and all that he risked to get there as soon as they could.
Another annoying fact they got wrong about Lightoller is his accent, which is a clipped, King's English, upper class one.. However, he was from Chorley (my childhood home) in Lancashire and and had a Northern English accent, which is very distinct... I suspect his name 'Lightoller' which sounds quite posh and he was an officer, was the reason for the performance (which all the movies get wrong) Indeed there are recorded interviews with him and his accent is quite apparent.
Cal's enthusiastic promotion of Titanic had more to do with his company supplying the steel for building the Titanic, which he mentions in a deleted scene as Hockley Steel.
I think "A Night to Remember" was closer to a documentary than "Titanic" (1997). The worst part of that for me was when they depicted Murdoch as taking a bribe from Cal Hockley. IIRC that irritated a lot of people from Murdoch's family and hometown.
I think what made them angry the most was him killing himself which I’m almost certain he did not do, the bribe he changed his mind and threw his money at him right before his death
@@Borninthe80s.except Cameron didn’t make that theory up. It’s shown in previous movies and mentioned in previous books, pretty similarly to the way it’s shown in this movie. Walter Lord even brings it up in his book *The Night Lives On.* Now, Lord also mentions that there were disagreements over it, and that the survivors who knew Murdoch personally maintained that he did not shoot anyone that night. But CAMERON did not make up that moment, any more than he did Wallace Hartley playing “Nearer My God to Thee.” (Please note that I’m not saying that it’s true. Just that this movie didn’t make it up.)
It’s always a pleasure and a privilege to listen to an expert in his field as I know next to nothing about anything to do with shipping and ocean travel.
Titanic: Death of a Dream, was a 1996 2 part made for TV Movie that I happen to personally enjoy more than the 1997 James Cameron film. It’s definitely worth a watch, with George C Scott playing Captain Smith, and Tim Curry playing a White Star Line Veteran(with a twist). I found it on ITunes/Apple TV, after having seen it on tv as a child years before. I would definitely consider it an interesting film for you, Mr. Brady, if you haven’t seen it already. Keep up the amazing work and thank you for dedicating a wonderful channel to Ocean Liners!
You're thinking of the 1996 American TV miniseries just called _Titanic._ _Titanic: Death of A Dream_ is a 2008 British TV docu-drama about the Harland & Wolff employees that built the ship, and how her construction played into the early development of the Irish nationalist insurgency.
I think I saw that documentary, I too would like to see what Mike thinks. I actually don't remember the name of the one I watched just that one of the actors greatly resembled Nicholas Holt. Sometimes I binge watch too many documentaries in a night.
I'm more interested in that than a movie to be honest. Inaccuracies in movies are one thing, artistic license in a documentary that is supposed to be factual is another.
I'm pausing at about the 3:00 mark to comment about the luxury of the Titanic, because this is something that I found fascinating when I recently watched your "Evolution of the Ocean Liner" series a few nights ago and seeing it brought up again here just emphasizes that point. In a spate of documentaries and special presentations that came out around the time of the movie--both before and after--every single one talks up Titanic as the undisputed height of luxury, size, and stature. It was an honest shock to see you put Titanic in its context and learn that it was just "the next one in line," basically nothing special in terms of her intended historical path, and that the glamor and luxury that we constantly ascribe to her was essentially just more of the same, but slightly bigger. Learning that the Germans put a ship to sea five days after her sinking that put that luxury to shame was another big shock. The documentaries never bother with that; according to them, you'd think people were obsessing over Titanic's loss until the opening shots of WWI.
Hi Mike!: This was an interesting video. I have to admit I have only seen this film once, around the time it was released! My interest in the Titanic story goes back to the mid 1970's when I was able to purchase a paperback copy of Walter Lord's A Night to Remember through my school. Read it cover to cover and was hooked on the story! I bought the Revell box scale Titanic and built it. Used it to pinpoint various events related in the book. Later, I received the Entex 1/350 scale Titanic model kit for Christmas. Have been hooked on the Olympic class ever since! My favorite Titanic film is actually A Night to Remember, which I watched again quite recently. Thanks for all the amazing ship videos, they are superb!
What I really love about the movie is how it went far with some historical details. Like the guy we see drink alcohol throughout the sinking, and thanks to the alcohol keeping him warm in the freezing water, he survives. They also did their best with details like Andrew being apparently last seen in the smoking room although reports say that he was still seen later helping passengers before he went with Smith and jumped overboard with him just as the water reached the bridge.
Doubtful. Smith was 62 years old and had been retired from the Royal Naval Reserve for seven years at the time of Titanic's fateful maiden voyage. It would have been extremely unlikely he would have been required to serve in time of war unless the Royal Navy (at that time comfortably the largest navy in the world in terms of both ships and manpower) had experienced something truly catastrophic and lost an unspeakably large number of officers.
@@blagger116 he was also highly experienced, responsible, and by all accounts a man with an unparalleled sense of duty. It wouldn't exactly be out of his character to sign himself up for a position commanding a troop transport (especially if that transport happened to be a ship he had previously commanded as a civilian) or the like, once it became clear that the whole apparatus of the Empire had to be solely dedicated to the war effort. Incidentally, that's close to how Commander Lightoller came to be a hero of the evacuation of Dunkirque almost thirty years later.
I’ve seen many of your videos, but haven’t commented until now. They are all phenomenal... absolutely the best channel regarding the Titanic on RUclips. I just thought I’d show my appreciation for the immense time and research you continue to commit to it. Thank you, my dear friend Mike Brady.
Isn't it amazing how many people's interest in ship stems from Titanic! I am nearly 65 and my interest in Titanic and ships was started by seeing "A Night to Remember" then reading the book. One could even say we owe the existence of Queen Mary 2 to Titanic. Micky Arison has stated it was because of the film he wanted to build a trans-Atlantic liner, so Carnival purchase Cunard and the rest is history!
Seek out The Making of "A Night to Remember" It's worth a watch and it's on RUclips. They interview both the producer of the film, and author of the book. It also shows behind the scenes footage and tells of recounts from (then) living witnesses & relatives of those aboard the Titanic.
21:22 Johnny Phillips plays Lightoller in a really wonderful way. You can see his Very British Stiff Upper Lip start to unravel as the sinking progresses. What an amazing aspect to bring to his portrayal of Mr Lights. I’d love to think that somewhere in the afterlife Lightoller saw JP playing him and thought ‘yes, this chap gets it’. A truly remarkable man.
@@CyberJohn_TitanicModelBuilder He shows a lot of the footage from the movie. Probably got a copywrite flag from using too much consecutive footage. I watched the whole thing when it first came out and noticed how much movie footage there was lol. As someone who watches a lot of movie-reaction channels this is a common struggle the reacters face.
I've been watching your videos nearly nonstop since I discovered your channel yesterday -- this is the sort of Titanic content I've been wanting! The James Cameron Titanic movie was very important to me, and I wanted to know so much more than was available at the time. I remember, as a child, reading the National Geographic article "A Long Last Look at the Titanic" (from the 80s) until the pages were falling out of the binding and again, wanting more. I'm so glad I found your channel! I'm here for all the content you want to make, and I'd love more Titanic movie breakdown material.
I am old enough to remember when the Titanic was found and that is what initially got me into the whole story. I read every book I could get my hands on which wasn't as many as nowadays. When the film came out I was actually angered by all the kids who suddenly became experts after watching the movie and it made me bitter towards the movie for a number of years. It was mostly because kids thought Jack and Rose were real and argued with me about it. Anyway, I love the movie now and I am thankful to see the generation of people like Mike who have greatly enriched our lives with the best Titanic content I have ever seen because of this movie. Not to mention the other phenomenal work he does here.
Im so glad someone finally pointed that out about the center propeller only true Titanic enthusiast would see that and it bother them to point it out like other false things in this movie
When Titanic stopped suddenly, the pressure in the boilers would have lifted the safety valves automatically. What I think eventually happened is that the engineers diverted the excess steam to the condensers using what is known as the silent blow off.
Thanks for the reupload. I'll say it again: I got interested in Titanic watching the first episode of a tv series called Time Tunnel. The time travelers landed on the Titanic in this episode. Although the writers played fast and loose with the facts, it sparked a lifelong interest in Titanic for me. It's been almost 60 years, and I still am learning about the ship. If you haven't seen this, I urge you to watch it, and I'd love to hear your opinion lol
It's the unaired pilot & episode 1 of The Time Tunnel, and also ended the final episode 30 (creating a loop). Oddly the rare VHS edition has the full episodes and common DVD editions have bits cut out. The Time Tunnel was good fun (Land of the Giants was good to), they'd air back-to-back here on Sunday arvo's.
I remember watching "The Time Tunnel" premiere back in the mid-Sixties! The travelers, James Darren and Robert Colbert, find themselves on Titanic and try to warn the captain and crew but of course no-one believes them. Michael Rennie played Captain Smith and many of the sets from the 1953 20th Century Fox movie "Titanic" were used for the TV show. "Time Tunnel" was a good series! Very enjoyable!
This sounds a lot like the Magic Tree House book series, they have a book about the protagonists traveling through time through pictures in books and they find themselves on the Titanic. There was also a more information-based book that you can get to go along with it. I highly recommend it for kids to get into history!
Fantastic video yet again Mike! I always look forward to new releases. I’d love to see this become a more regular feature on the channel, with you looking at some of the other films/series set around Titanic. Definitely A Night To Remember would be on the list and I’d love to see your thoughts on the German propaganda film “Titanic” from 1943. If you haven’t checked it out already, I would highly recommend the tv series Titanic: Blood & Steel. It focuses on the building of the ship and all the strife that surrounded it.
Have you ever considered making a video on the call of duty zombies map voyage of despair? It's set on titanic and the developers tried hard to make the ship look as authentic as possible so it would be good to get your take on it. Just a thought - keep up the good work
the gates were real. But they were unlocked as soon as the ship was in trouble Other documentaries emphasise this. What I found interesting is not only would Jack not have been up on the front, but 3rd Class were not allowed anywhere near the other passengers, so he and Rose would never have met!
At 7:29: Good catch. That is exactly right. The middle prop may not have been used in port at all. The PL turbine could be bypassed when going forward slow or backing up, leaving only the 2 outboard piston engines running.
Even though the Titanic movie has some things wrong, I still have to say that this movie actually made me gain interested into history in general. Already at a young age, 6-7 years, I started to read books and watch documentaries about the Titanic. With 12 years I pretty much only watched documentaries about history anymore when I came back from school. I used to be the best in history in the school without studying. I was just so focused in the class, that I didnt need to study or I already knew about those things. Wanted to become a teacher in history on my own but I decided to become an accountant instead.
Same here! I wanted to go into ancient history in particular, I even got accepted into university to study. But my parents said no because “there’s no jobs out there”. I’m a writer now.
In the Titanic's story there's also a whole series of if-onlys: if only her departure had been moved again just one more time, if only the iceberg had been sighted sooner (or later), if only those six messages on April 14th alone had been taken seriously, if only Capt Lord had been willing to change things around on his ship to accommodate the survivors (like Rostron) , if only the bulkheads had been carried one deck higher, if only Cpt Smith had slowed down, if only she had enough lifeboats, if only Murdoch hadn't ordered the wheel turned hard over, if only she had a different name.. Walter Lord once said that the if-onlys in the Titanic's story stirred him "more than anything."
Thank you for your beautiful videos! The electricians and the wireless operators just crush me with their heroism. Of course the one wireless operator who survived (McBride) was crucial at the trials that followed.
Mike, one little niggle regarding your commentary: ensigns are worn, not flown. I had this drummed into me by a Chief Yeoman of Signals. I can hear him now, "other flags are flown, ensigns are worn!".
As someone who's been fascinated with the Titanic since reading "A Night to Remember" at the age of 12, I spent most of the film looking for what I'd read about the sinking rather than paying attention to the romance. "Look! There's Lightoller!" "Oh, please be quiet."
Thanks for sharing this! When I first watched this film all those years ago I really didn't know anything about the Titanic historically. I never really made the connection that "The Titanic-looking ship with one funnel" at the end rescued them. I kinda thought that was just a dream sequence. I also think I had viewer fatigue since the movie felt like five hours long lol I vividly remember owning the VHS and of course there were TWO parts but I'd begin playing it with daylight and by the time it was over it was dark outside lolz Nice to hear this inspired you! I know the feeling.
I remember being in 3rd grade back in the 80’s. It was not long after National Geographic released their vhs on the discovery of the wreckage. It grabbed 8 year old me and never let go. My senior year of high school, in 1998, I got to sing “My Heart Will Go On” in our spring program. It was the highlight of my high school career. Finding this channel has brought me back to some feelings I haven’t thought about in ages. It’s definitely the ship of my dreams ❤
Out of all the emotional moments of the film, for some reason its Carpathia showing up at the end that gets me. The heroic comparitively little ship that battled through the night, her proud siloutte bathed in the morning sun. And yet her best efforts were too late for most on board, and all she could do was quietly tend to the few who'd survived.
yep, that has me crying a bit now watching him talk about it.
Imagine being a survivor and staring up at that comparatively enormous black wall of a hull, like some sort of mechanical angel that swooped in out of the night to rescue you.
Imagine being Bruce Ismay, laden with the guilt that your ship has taken 1500 souls with it, and seeing your competitor come to save the survivors and feeling a bit of relief that at least some will be ok.
Carpathia and her crew are the true definition of heroes, full stop.
and i think A Night To Remember does an even better job at showing the bravery, steadfastness and heroism of the Carpathia's captain and crew.
The first time I saw the movie, I cried when Jack died. The second time I saw it, I cried at the sunrise shot of the Carpathia with the Celtic vocals over it and the ice all around.
Not to forget the sight of the young Rose lying under a blanket in the rescue boat of Officer Lowe and looking exhausted and broken.
I love the fact that not only the crew of Carpathia were a big help but the passengers on that ship too.
Giving the survivors [a bed in] their rooms, giving them clothes, blankets, etc.
As the Carpathia started to race towards the disaster scene Rostron being the pious man that he was raised his cap about 2in and started to pray. Also, before leaving the scene in the morning of the 15th he had everyone assembled for a brief service in memory of those lost and in thanksgiving for those saved. He said after the rescue that a hand other than his must have been on the helm that night
On Carpathia, thanks to the efforts of the engineering department, she was actually sailing faster than she ever had! I read they shut down every non-essential system including heating so that they could pile more steam to the engines!! Personally, I don't think enough is made of the crew and passengers of RMS Carpathia with regard to the succour they gave to the survivors of Titanic.
I totally agree, that old girl was giving it all she had
I heard what they did was actually a big gamble as they were risking legit overworking Carpathia's engines trying to get to Titanic as fast as possible. As seen on ships like the Sultana a boiler explosion from an overworked boiler/engine can be quite catastrophic. Had Carpathia's machinery failed from the stress two ships could have ended up at the bottom of the ocean that night. But lucily despite being pushed to her max if not even beyond her max, Carpathia held together.
@@justinlynch3 She was an old ship. Fortunately, Capt Rostron and the chief engineer knew their jobs AND equipment. They took calculated risks to save lives.
usually she was able to make 14 knots, but that night...she made 17 knots
It takes a skilled engineering crew to run a ship above it's stated top speed, presumably by going above maximum operational pressures, essentially red-lining them, while being under operational conditions, ie imperfect sea states, average fuel quality, with cargo and passengers on board, etc and to do it for a sustained period. That is undeniable skill and experience, and also a testament to the stokers, who must've worked incredibly hard to keep the boilers at maximum pressure.
Absolutely loved this video. Please make a Part 2! Whether its accuracies or inaccuracies, I found it all extremely interesting
No way, GameXplain watches Mike!
Poop deck
@@BonnieGruesome Because he didn't talk about the Californian
@@BonnieGruesome nope there wassome important missing, the scene where Murdoch shot others and himself....it was a scandal when the movie came out.
Yeah. Part two please
Captain Rostron also fired rockets every 15 minutes, simply to reassure any survivors that would see them, that help was on the way. This is not to mention that he put his own crew and passengers into harms way by speeding through the ice field. In fact, he even shut off the heating to the passenger cabins, so that every ounce of steam could go to the engines.
Rostron also added extra lookouts for a total of six. In addition to the two in the formast's crow's nest there were two on the bow and one on each bridge wing. It was the men on the bow in fact who spotted icebergs in Carpathia's path first giving the ship time to manuver around them which suggests that a crow's nest might not have been the best place for spotting icebergs at night.
At Any rate Rostron and his crew did one hell of a job that night!
Feel their story would also make a great film worth telling.
@@Aren-1997 No doubt!
I wonder if James Cameron shot some Carpathia footage like he shot some concerning the Californian. He said he couldn't use the Californian sequences as the film was running too long as it was and I have to think if the same might have applied to any Carpathia footage?
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 yeah i think there is a removed scene with Bruce Ismay in the Carpathia
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 I remember him telling, he actually didn't include this in the film, as the whole Californian affair would distract viewers from the sinking itself.
It's a shame a lot of historical accurate scenes in Cameron's Titanic got deleted (the Strauss staying onboard, 2 scenes about lifeboat 6, Astor explaining to his wife how lifebelts work etc).
We need to start a petition for James Cameron to release an extended cut with ALL deleted scenes
@@GawlakmanI have it but the deleted scenes aren't fully produced so often the format or sound quality changes. It's 4 hours. More maybe I forget.
@@221b-l3t FOUR HOURS?!
I think what annoys me most is that there's the big dining room scene where Rose introduces Jack to all the "main players" as I call it - Ismay, the Astors, the Duff Gordons, Countess of Rothes, etc., and it felt like a big set up for us to track what happens to these people throughout the sinking... And we just don't see most of them again in the film.
@@RCassinello Check out "A Night to Remember" for that kind of thing, if I remember correctly.
The Titanic movie played a not insignificant role in getting me interested in history from a young age.
Yeah, that's definitely me too! I'll be honest, I was a horny young teenager when I was introduced to the film a decade ago, but it was through repeat watchings of the film that eventually made me want to study history, especially the story of the Titanic. So, I have James Cameron to thank for that, I guess lol
@@DavidHutchinson0713 *wanking in the cinema* "Oh, this is actually quite interesting."
@@DavidHutchinson0713 Yeah, I mean as a kid you're not really thinking along those lines but for me as a two or three year old it was seeing those giant engines and the ship sticking put of the water and the general design of the ship, kinda horrible situation to be in, when you actually think about it and know the history of the people and the sheer bad luck of it all.
And yes, a little later on after not seeing the film in years I was not impartial to a bit of hot Kate Winslet boob.
Man, being an infant in the 2000's seems like such a libertine paradise looking back at it. It's better then the bland, sterile guff we have now.
I can remember being totally into it. Watched every show or doc on it. Bought all the books.
For me it was a book. In grade 2.
For its time, "A night to remember" was a stunning and frightening re-enactment of the fateful night. Great effects and realism....
I've seen that a few times. Last time I saw ANTR, what I started to get puzzled by how they showed 1st class passengers NOT wearing evening wear. As far as I've been able to understand, this should not have been the case.
I agree a night to remember was far better no campy love story . More drama and human the old man with the little boy at the end gets me every time.
Amd is the only one that used the correct version of “Nearer My God to Thee@
@@TrekBeatTK As you probably know, there's also the episcopal hymn Autumn. I don't know if there's been a definitive word on which is the last one played by the band.
@@TrekBeatTK The tune we hear is known as Horbury.
Where the line “ship of dreams” comes from is the gorgeous coffee table book by Don Lynch and Ken Marshal, Titanic: An Illustrated History.
This is how Mr. Lynch introduces the book.
A 2nd Class survivor, the late Ruth Becker Blanchard had described Titanic that way in several interviews and why it’s dedicated to her.
I was gonna say it doesn't sound like something the marketers and designers of the ship would say, it sounds like something maybe some of the passengers would say. Sailing to a "new world" and all.
I’ve got that book! It was brand new (back when it was first published) and cost me $70 which was an awful lot of money for me then. It was on the coffee table and my parents’ Great Dane wagged her tail and knocked my glass of coke all over it. I was devastated, mum helped clean it, but it still sports cola stains on some pages. I can laugh about it now but back then it had taken me a lot of effort to buy.
@@andreagriffiths3512I bet you have a lot of value in that book! haha. If you ever needed a new one it might be on Amazon and way less the price it was then. But optional!
The dangers of the wagging tail of a large dog are well known in my house. 🙂 I’ve lost countless glassware, dishes and magazines that way.
When I heard this book was being published in December of 1992, I knew I had to get it. So I pre-ordered it and waited impatiently for the bookstore to call.
It was a birthday present to myself and I got the 1st copy in my town. The store was so impressed with it, they ordered 5 more and those sold out the first week. I like to think I helped create their Titanic section.
@@KentuckyRain that’s so awesome! I love a good Titanic section in bookstores.
Having served in the US Navy, I love the bells device that tells what throttle level the engines should be at. We used the same technology on a nuclear powered submarine nearly a century after the Titanic. On ships, sometimes a technology that gets it right the first time never becomes outdated.
On a side note, the steam turbine that ran the center screw had only one speed. Thus, you could only use it for answering all ahead full. So, the Titanic could never utilize the center screw until they were in the open Atlantic where the depth of the ocean allowed for higher speeds. Still think it is amazing they had steam turbines for ships that early in the 20th century.
The final messages between the Titanic and other ships that night always gets so me. I can't imagine what it would have been like to listen to the ship call out in distress, then go silent. To know that the people on the other end of the line are dead
I read those messages while visiting in the Titanic museum in Belfast. They are really chilly and really got to me. Especially the last one (don't know if true): "S. O. (silence)..."
There's just something so wholesome and endearing about "Hello, it's your friend Mike Brady". Got to be the best RUclips welcome out there. :)
I was a child when 'Raise The Titanic' was released, and when it came on TV a year later my Father and I watched it together. Being puzzled that there were funnels still standing having already watched 'ANTR', I remember Dad saying the ship couldn't be raised in real life anyways because of how things rust and corrode over time (I kinda knew it by then because being a Canadian kid leaving Tonka toys outside over winters - let alone real cars and all)... Part of that "Don't believe everything you see or hear, Son" moments. Respect to my Friend, Mike Brady.
"Raise the Titanic" (1980) was what I thought of as well. Definitely impressive for the time, but amusing now being older, wiser, and better informed. 😊
Metal Tonka toys...sigh...
thems was the days
Also not to mention how the Titanic was still in one piece, as the movie came out in ‘80 and they didn’t discover the Titanic wreckage until ‘85. Some survivors mentioned how it broke in half but I guess some people didn’t believe them for whatever reason.
@@samelliott5922out of the 706 survivors, 14 stated that it broke. Their recollections were attributed to the horror & tragedy of that night. Besides, White Star Line already had to concede that the shop sunk; they weren't about to admit it broke as well.
Regarding the scene where Captain Smith seems to be in a state of shock: This was an almost perfect representation of Lightoller's testimony, except that in Lightoller's version the Captain didn't answer at all but just nodded.
Make the whole movie commentary! I'd buy it.
Only if he says 'Jaaaaaaaack' 😅
James Cameron did a fabulous job making this movie. It is absolutely STUNNING. Beautifully tragic, best way I can explain it. It still, to this day, gets me emotional. I can't imagine what those poor people and animal's went through. Just heartbreaking.
Although the characters of Rose & Jack are fictional and they never were on the Titanic when it sank on April 15th 1912, Cameron made the right decision to create and use them as a plot device to carry the message of the ship, the sinking and the impact to a 21st century audience. Knowing barely anyone was even alive who survived the Titanic at that point in the mid-90s. Trying to make it relevant to the present day, opting for a lovestory was a great choice.
That's exaxtly how I know when someone has not watched the movie. Most would say "not into the romantic bruhaha blah blah" but the sinking part was about everybody involved with the ship, not Jack and Rose, and realizing that this happened in real life is a tear jerker. The scenes with children tear me apart.
There's a 2012 doco/film by the Irish Film Board called Heroes of the Titanic, that focuses mostly on Stokers/Fireman and Electricians/Engineers. I've watched it many times, and it doesn't get anywhere near the attention it deserves compared to other Titanic films.
As a child, I remember my mother had purchased a VHS copy of Nat Geo's Secrets of the Titanic. It quickly became one of my favorite things to watch, and to this day, I still have it on my Amazon account.
Yeah always a good show !
The discovery of the wreck in 1985 kicked off my interest but way back then, research was very restricted and difficult, especially here in Australia.....the internet has, of course, changed all of that and now we have people like you Mike, who do a beautiful job of explaining this subject in a human, understandable fashion that makes the story of the Titanic still so relatable, even in this modern age. Thank you.
Excited to see the Titanic exhibit in Melbourne that’s currently running. 😊
yeah I remember being maybe 8 years old and seeing Robert Ballard's book Discovery of the Titanic at my school library....that amazing image of the ship's bow on the seabed, lit up by the spotlight from the submersible...that was what hooked me in (and then the following year when the ship made a cameo in Ghostbusters II...oop)
Kate, imagine if the internet was there back then I bet the ship would have looked in much better condition ;a;
@@Abcity92 Ikrrr I wish they found her earlier but come on this happened in 1912. The tech in 1912 was nowhere near as good as it was in the 80's, which was a way more modern time.
One of my favourite scenes is the scene where the engines are slammed into reverse. I think that scene was so well done, especially the pause of disbelief from the Chief Engineer before he worked out what was happening
1997 Titanic movie by James Cameron is an absolute masterpiece together with James Horner's ( RIP ) soundtrack made by incredible Sissel's vocals. The opening scene of the movie is just 😭🙌🙏👌
The first time I saw the movie, the emotions bowled me over. The 2nd time, my brain kicked in and I viewed it more critically.
Best titanic movie for me
Watch "a night to remember" it t tells the same story and you can see James Cameron got a lot of his ideas from this film. Also this film doesn't rubbish the memory of quite a few involved
I was 11 when I saw this masterpiece in theaters. Am 37 now. The music is amazing and is as bigger if not bigger than the motion picture itself. When a soundtrack really meets the films grandure on all levels.
@@ninino86 Completely agree!! There's only one movie that comes close to the Titanic soundtrack and it's Gladiator and Hans Zimmer's masterpiece. I was 10 back then in 1997, still keeping the original tickets!! Indeed Titanic movie soundtrack is a class on its own. Did you know James Cameron insisted that a whole soundtrack is going to be instrumental and vocals only. No full song singing with lyrics. But despite all that James Horner went against the rules and traveled from the movie set in Mexico to Las Vegas for Celine Dion to perform a song for him. Upon his return to the set with the demo James Cameron was against the idea, right up until he heard Dion's voice. And the rest is history. What a bold move from an incredible artist. And one of the best descriptions of the soundtrack is as follows: Celine brought the emotion of love, Sissel brought the emotion of loss...
Thank you for not only this but all of your videos. I watch them as soon as I can.
'SS Jeremiah O'Brien' was the vessel used in the engine room scenes.
A liberty ship funny enough lol
Man, you are literally THE BEST person to watch for Titanic content/history , as well as any other ships history. Love your vids!
Regarding Titanic's lighting and the electrical machinery, the main generators on the tank top were probably abandoned fairly early on in the sinking, perhaps not long after Titanic blew off her head of steam. Power generation would have been transferred to the emergency generators, which were located under the dummy funnel on D-Deck. This was well above the waterline, and would have possibly given the engineers a few more seconds to escape as they didn't have to climb all the way from the tank top to the boat deck.
According to trimmer Thomas Dillon, they tried to use the four main generators as long as possible, and the backup generator wasn't brought online until some time after 1:30, by which point boiler room 5 was already lost and the four aft boiler rooms had to be shut down to avoid a possible explosion. He recalls that just after he helped the electricians start it up, the chief ordered him to climb up the funnel and see what was going on out on-deck, and that just as he reached the top, the ship split open underneath him.
Great stuff as always Mike. I’ve always thought Smith gets a bad rap when it comes to the evacuation of Titanic.
Considering she was a new ship on her maiden voyage, the crew wouldn’t have been as familiar with the ship as they might have been after even a couple of voyages. Even just basic things like the internal layout, where emergency equipment was stowed etc. There hadnt even been a lifeboat drill!
Considering all that, the fact they got all but two of the boats away is pretty impressive.
Thanks for the content as always!
Good point. Plus they would not have been a "team" by then. Many of them had probably never worked together before and hardly any of them would have had to deal with such a situation before. You can have all the training there is, but the actual event is going to be way beyond it. I always think that when I am watching documentaries about airline crew training and so on. It is one thing to be sliding down chutes in a practice area, with people who are "in on it;" something completely different in the middle of an ocean, with maybe a burning plane and hundreds of terrified and possibly injured people. I think the owners tried to foist blame onto people who could not defend themselves, because they were dead. So most of the survivors were heroes, while those who didn´t weren´t! Seems a cock eyed idea to me, but they were desperately trying damage limitation.
I remember seeing 'Titanic' when it came out in theaters. I was 5. I brought swim goggles for when the ship went under; in retrospect, it probably helped me tune out the depiction of frozen floating corpses.
Never fails to amaze me how you are able to take a fresh look at a subject so extensively covered. Totally absorbing and wonderfully presented really makes for an addictive channel. Thank you for another fantastic episode and for the work you put into it. 👌
An interesting bit of information: not long after the release of the Titanic movie, I read somewhere that Titanic's departure from Southampton as shown in the movie had a glaring error: in the movie you can see the propellers starting to turn while the ship is still in the dock and the clearance between her keel and the bottom of the dock is only a couple of feet. The person criticizing the movie claimed that if Captain Smith had really started the engines in the dock, it would have ruined the dredged bottom, and... quote... "he would have been looking down the double-barelled fists of a very angry pilot." Not sure, how much truth there is to this claim (and how accurately I quoted the gentleman), but it totally made sense.
I would have thought a ship like that would be on tug in port.
@@adde9506 She was assisted by tugs, indeed. Six tugs, as a matter of fact: Albert Edward, Ajax, Hercules, Hector, Neptune and Vulcan. There was a near miss during Titanic's departure, she displaced so much water in the channel that the current caused the mooring lines of another steamship to snap, and the ship almost collided with the Titanic. You see, if the Titanic's passage created such a strong current, its propellers would have wreaked havoc on the dredged bottom of the dock so, allegedly, she did not start her engines until the tugs towed her out of the dock to a point where the water was deep enough. I'll try to dig up my old sources, but a lot of discussions took place in the early days of the internet when people still used something called Usenet to have discussions like today's forums. As far as I remember, the gentleman who set the record straight about the propellers was Daniel Allen Butler, the author of "Unsinkable", but I'm not 100-percent certain.
Interesting. I never liked that scene, because indeed it was too close to the bottom and looked impossible.
@@MrTrancelatorthis gives us an idea of how unfamiliar was the sheer size and power of the Titanic for her time. People still learning how to properly maneuver her from the docks.
The part where they try their damnest to keep the lights on, always breaks my heart and its so chilling. I hope all those men huddled together in their last moments. Tomas Andrews, Joseph Bell, Captain Smith, and first Officer Murdoch, you all did great. You have my respect and are heroes. Rest in peace, men.
Loved every second .
Thomas Andrews was indeed a hero. I visited a Titanic museum in Florida last month and they had a big (somewhat) portrait of him.
@@melissasheppard6674 He was a kind, and selfless man. I’d do anything to give him a hug for his heroic acts.
As I understand it, White Star focussed on opulence, Cunard more on speed. However, both lines were luxurious. (in first class anyway!)
Also comfort. Olympic and Titanic were remarkably stable when out at sea, whereas Mauretania and Lusitania suffered from vibrations in the stern due to the Parsons turbine engines driving the propellers at full speed.
It's a little more complicated than that:
Cunard's third class accommodations were pretty unimpressive even for the time, and they charged above the standard rate for those berths purely on the basis of a faster crossing. Their profits were based on getting as many people across the Atlantic as possible every single year.
White Star, by comparison, emphasised the (relatively) comfortable conditions, (relatively) good food, (relatively) excellent service _and_ unbeatable pricing of their cheapest tickets, since _their_ business strategy was to convince third class passengers to save up once they got started in the New World, then either have their families in Europe sail White Star when they came over after them, or to sail White Star themselves going back to Europe for holiday visits.
With regards to first class, it's more a matter of taste and style: The British nobility of the time tended to gravitate towards the classic French rococo-inspired opulence of Cunard, but many American passengers really did prefer the more modernist and even art nouveau-inspired stylings used by White Star and Harland & Wolff.
Speed was expensive back then so white Star chose to go for luxury and comfort
Pretty surprised Mike didn't bring up the scene where Murdock kills himself, because James Cameron was criticized for portraying Murdock as a coward.
He got in trouble with Murdock's family for that scene, if I remember right.
@@jdslyman1720 exactly
iirc he has said that if he could change anything about the film it would be that. it was a really awful thing to do.
@@jennierayner2152could easily have been avoided by using a fictional character too
He did in another video
For me, the ''the ship of dreams'' translated as the passengers onboard the ship to the destination of the New World dreaming about new possibilities when reaching it.
The dock scene perfectly shows the Berth 44 as a White Star Dock currently named Ocean Dock built from 1908 to 1911 with a two-floor moving passenger gantry crane used for boarding. It was the same gantry used for Titanic, Olympic, and Britannic and other ships able to move thanks to being located on rails. Aside was an elongated shed for luggage sorting, and indoor and outdoor passenger train stops with a second-floor gallery for boarding, and viewers. It was torn down after WWII to give a view to an art deco Ocean Terminal that opened in 1950 and was torn down in 1983.
" Ship of dreams" is noticeably ABSENT from not only advertising, but public perception of the day.
You can dress it up as " Rose's interpretation" all you want, but that doesn't alter the fact that this term is an invention by the screenwriters. Remember, too, that " Rose" is an entirely fictional character, so any hyperbolic statements are so much misinformation
Something I noticed, is in reference to the Central propeller only rotating when Titanic was " going at a fair clip" has to be re-examined.
Just looking at the near collision with the liner " New York", this was caused by the immense " suction" created by the propeller rotation, ALL THREE propellers, and Titanic at this time was certainly not " going at a fair clip", but all three propellers must have been rotating to creat enough suction to pull in another passenger vessel, a lot smaller, but still a large object.
" Olympic's" collision with the RN cruiser " Hawke" was the result of similar " suction" force, drawing the cruiser into the right rear of the stern , with Hawke's strengthening of her bow for ramming doing the damage. But Olympics was in much more open water, and was actually engaged in something of a " race" with the Hawke, so her three propellers had a much higher " suction" power. " Titanic" was still making her way past other ships at berth, and was clearly NOT " going at a fair clip", but still had enough suction power to snap " New York's" mooring lines and draw the rear of the liner towards Titanic's propellers. This collision was only avoided by quick action from Southampton tugs, managing to push " New York" away with not much space to spare.
@@ChrisJensen-se9rj Umm, I did not mention Rose or anything about the almost accident when Titanic was leaving port. I know Rose played by Kate Winslet is a fictional character. I did not mention advertising, or dress it up as " Rose's interpretation". It's not ''hyperbolic statements are so much misinformation''. 🤨😒I have watched many ocean liner documentaries, and read books about immigration to the USA. It's quite rude, childish and appalling to add things I did not mention .It comes off pretty much mean-spirited. I meant the "ship of dreams" about the "American dream" popularised in the 30s or the "land of promises" that most passengers or immigrants that travelled across the Atlantic for a "better life" decades well before Titanic was built. In dreams and wishes those passengers wanted a better life they knew back home to leave all behind and travel to the ''Ņew World'. My relatives left for the USA before WWII for a better life and feeling unease in Europe just like many others. Learn the text CONTEXT not add things that are not there.
@@ChrisJensen-se9rj BTW Titanic also was an immigrant ship with the third class being the biggest in the count of passengers in search of a better life which was their wish and dream. That's why the "ship of dreams" hyperbole. The movie depicts the first, and third classes. It was a common theme for immigrants to have a wish and dreams for a better life in many books, letters and documentaries for travelling across the Atlantic Ocean.
Even contemporary people did not refer to Titanic as " The Ship of Dreams". Not in common vernacular, not in advertising, not in publicity by White Star Line, so why include it at all?
One might as well call it " The Ship of Profits" if that's the case. Tell it like it was..
" And it was, it WAS!"
You are seriously so awesome! I just randomly started drawing the Titanic at work again on the white board and out of nowhere, here you are.
A Night to Remember! The reason I became a Titanic addict, and I love it!
Thanks, Mike, for this great post!
"A Night to Remember" could be an interesting movie to compare! Great work as always, Mike.
I saw ANTR as a very small child when it was on tv, and that had the same effect on me as the 1997 has had on the younger generation. I was fascinated by the sinking; not because of the technical stuff so much as the human stories, many of which we will never know. There was a tiny impoverished village in Ireland. A young woman emigrated to the US and made a good life for herself. She went back home to visit and something like 14 or more of the young people chose to go back with her. They were 3rd Class on Titanic. None of them made it. I think she did, but I may be wrong. This village was tiny, and that was a goodly chunk of their hopes gone. They knew they would be unlikely to see their children again, but what parent wants to think of them dying that way? Many of them had scrimped and worked to get them their passage and a few pounds to start off with, just like people in Developing countries now. They probably hoped they would be able to send a little something home to provide for any siblings. In effect they lost their children Twice. I find that unbearably sad.
Great vid! Loved that bit about Titanic nearly being stopped before she started - very thought-provoking.
Coming back to this today, after the death of Bernard Hill who played Captain Smith in the 97 film 😢
Oh.
And after the death of the producer Jon Landau.
Just keep in mind that any inaccuracies can be blamed on the 'memory' of an 80+ year old woman telling the story.
😂
I would love for a movie to be made about the Carpathia. The amazing heroism and active faith of her captain bring me to tears
Glad this got reuploaded! Was worried when I saw it go down yesterday
Very interesting. And boy, I love Michael Bradys voice. So soothing.
Its been great finding your channel. I love how you tell the stories from these old ships and the what the human experience of them may have been like. Could you maybe do a video explaining how much a ticket may have been and what was included in that, food, drinks etc etc. Was it essentially all inclusive or were there add ons like the al a carte (SP??) restaurant. What was the difference in price between the different classes and what did they get for their money. How much would it have been in todays money? Thankyou JohnJack
A much better captain he was than Smith who didn't use his brain during the ice field and rescue.Too bad Smith was Titanic's captain.
There is a guy called Max Miller who has a channel called "Tasting History" In it he recreates old recipes and tell you the history behind them. He spent an entire month dealing with Titanic, from the first class right down to the stokers, what they would have eaten, their accommodation and so on. He recreated one dish from each of the various menus, which would have been the last meals served before she sank. Curiously there wasn´t That much difference between the first and 2nd Class menus; the 1st just got more choices and extras. The same with cabins. Some of them were interchangeable. A bit like getting an upgrade on a plane I guess. 3rd class was a lot grimmer. But they still got better food and accommodation than most of them would have had in their entire lives. Some of it was gruel and bread and cheese, but they got one proper meat or fish and veg meal every day. It was decent British everyday fare that I would cook for myself now. I think it will answer a lot of your questions.
As always, a well rounded and balanced commentary. I am a Titanic 'aficionado' and I love the movie Titanic and have probably watched it close to 30 times. Most recently, I purchased the 4K version from Amazon USA and watched in on a top line 4K TV with Dolby Atmos and it was awesome. I had already noted most of what you have brought to our attention in this video but it was wonderful to see your fair treatment of the topic. Well done as always!
The 1997 Titanic movie is the reason why 99% people here are interested on Titanic.
There was a really good Titanic film, possibly a TV production, that came out only a year before Cameron’s film, that featured Catherine Zeta-Jones, George C Scott, and Tim Curry…it had the same romantic subplot, with the lower class boy and the upper class girl…that one is one of my favorites. I liked the 1997 version too, of course, but at the time, I thought Leonardo was a teen idol with little talent…I’ve since then come to regard him as one of the greatest actors ever
I got invested after watching the 1953 film on TV when I was a kid. This was around 1986 or so. There had been some info about the disaster on encyclopedias, world almanacs, etc. But lack of illustration, photographs. Of course Cameron's Titanic came out at the same moment Internet started being a thing, so there were resources to look for. There are so many creepy things. No moon, the band playing, such a big ship splitting in two, the minus zero weather...
@@edwie actually I read that the 1953 film, “A Night to Remember” is regarded as the most factual Titanic movie…maybe it was because many of the Titanic survivors were still around.
85%
In the early '90s ('93-'94) I decided there was lots of misinformation myth and hype about the Titanic so what got me started was a desire to sort fact from fiction as best I could
Great, informative video, thank you! The portrayal of Lightoller is an interesting one - so different between the Night to Remember and Cameron's Titanic. I personally like the former better, and I'm glad they included the scene when they paddled, balancing on a collapsible, with the 2nd officer in charge.
I didn't know that bit about the fireplace before. Excellent work!
Thanks for the great video again 😊 when the movie came out, I was 10 years old and I still remember how my mom and I had to sit on the stairs in the movie theater, since all the seats were already gone 😅 they totally overbooked the screening but we wanted to watch the movie so we stayed with a lot of others :) great memories and one of the reasons why I always stayed interested in this topic of Oceanliners. Greetings from Germany 😊
15:34 there's also another thing in that shot. If you zoom in that frame, look below at the base of the 2nd funnel, it shows the gymnasium on the port side. The gymnasium was actually at the starboard side at the base of the 2nd funnel. That whole overhead view from the bow to stern is mirrored. I dont know why they did it, but it's a mirrored shot of the large miniature model. (Note: that shot is not from the large scale model)
Any idea where the model is now? On display?
@@cowbanchalam9725 It's on display at Lightstorm Entertainment, alongside other Cameron film props and models
Apparently they only built half of the model, and mirrored it for the other side. If you look up any behind the scenes of the boarding scene, all text is reversed.
@@Suzumi-kun but this specific shot was filmed using the miniature model.
@@cowbanchalam9725 I think it's now in lightstorm entertainment studio, in James Cameron's collection.
This brought tears to my eyes. The bravery and heroism of those engineers and all involved in saving lives was truly incredible. May they rest in peace.
Thank you for reminding me of a movie I love so much. I saw it 3 times at the cinema when it was released. It's been years, I'll have to watch it again soon.
I've seen this movie so many times. A year ago I even saw the 3D re-release in the cinema. Great movie.
The Carpathian's journey to get there for the titanic is literally one of the most heroic and harrowing rescues of all time
which only makes the fact that they were too late for so many kind of a bummer
The Titanic movie is what got me interested in her story as well, and that opened the door to learning about ocean liners in general. If not for Titanic I likely wouldn’t have even learned about Olympic or Britannic or even Mauritania. It’s certainly a great movie to watch and while not 100% accurate, for the time, it was pretty dang close.
I’d like to see more breakdowns about other scenes like the Grand Staircase implosion, The First Class Saloon going under, maybe even the deleted ones as you see the Gymnasium, JJ Astor and Ben Guggenheim in the Grand Staircase and so much more. You also get to see some of the dogs running on deck which is an admittedly funny moment. There’s a lot to talk about with this movie! Excellent work as always, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you for all your videos! Titanic was a massive special interest of mine when the movie came out. I wasn’t allowed to see it on account of the rating and being 7 at the time. My poor mom, thinking I would forget about it, said I wasn’t allowed to see it until I was 10. Oh boy. I read every book in every my library that I could get my grubby little hands on, including ones that were too big for me to understand at the time. I made this boat my entire personality and bless my mom. On my tenth birthday she pulled out all the stops took me to another state to visit a Titanic exhibit at a museum and watched that movie with me and I will always remember it! Although I will admit, little me wanted less romance and more boat, lol. I kept it as a main special interest for many years before getting swept away by other pursuits, and watching your videos about her feels so nice. I appreciate all your hard work and passion!
Please, please, please make this a series. I would love to see you breakdown movie ships and teach us more about them.
On Titanic, I remember being probably 12 years old and asking my mother to get this movie when she went to Kmart. To be honest, I'm surprised she remembered and actually found the movie for me. She was never big on technology and vhs tapes were probably as new age as she got. I remember those VHS tapes fondly. Two instead of one, in a cheap paper box. I begged my mom for a big notebook and diligently copied as much of the dialogue from the movie as I could, calling it my Titanic script. I drew the ship over and over. I had a heart necklace that I pretended was the Heart of the Ocean and a book with rudimentary ship plans that I traced to make a poster. This ship took over my preteen life and I still love it, I just have the internet now to continue my fascination. Actually, I think this was the second movie that made me fall in love with ships because I never missed watching Poseidon Adventure (OG with Gene Hackman) if it was on the TV Guide. Also, Titanic made me interested in the age of sail purely because Ioan Gruffudd (not sorry) who played Lowe on Titanic and was Horatio Hornblower in the newer Hornblower series. Good memories.
Hey Mike I really enjoyed your commentary on James Cameron's classic! Was wondering if you could provide commentary on the docu-drama "Saving the Titanic". I remember you saying that you loved the film when I asked you about it during a live stream a while back and it's one of my absolute favorites, so I would love to hear your commentary on that amazing docu-drama!
You look like jack 😮
Great show Mike!
"Ship of Dreams" could come from one of two sources. In Don Lynch and Ken Marschall's 1992 book "Titanic, An Illustrated History" there's a chapter titled "Ship of Dreams." It's almost a certainty James Cameron was familiar with the book, many of the scenes in his Titanic film are reproduced from photographs in it plus Ken Marschall's paintings.
There's another Titanic book called "Titanic, End Of A Dream" by Wyn Craig Wade. Not really a history a of the ship it's a history of US Senator William Alden Smith's investigation into the disaster. Wade's treatment of the story is pretty clever, we the readers hear about the disaster when Senator Smith does but don't find out what happened on the ship until Senator Smith and his colleagues do during the course of the investigation. It seems like a stretch of the reader's willing suspension of what they know about Titanic but Wade makes it work. (And it was a GOOD investigation by the way!)
Anyway, the "dream" bit may have been inspired by the Wade book as well.
The Ship of Dreams is also a book about the Titanic by Gareth Russell
@@nbunnysnowboard Interesting! I haven't heard of that one!
Marschall and Lynch were both consultants on the film, and they themselves seem to have gotten the phrase directly from their personal correspondences with survivor Ruth Becker. It probably wasn't used in any contemporary sources, but it definitely plays to the posthumous romanticisation that occurred after the disaster, even in the minds of those who lived through it.
I loved this, if you did too, please do more. And also when you started talking about The Carpathia and its brave captain my eyes started tearing up. Its amazing to think of all the things he did, and all that he risked to get there as soon as they could.
Cpt Lord should've done the same the Californian was much closer it would've earned them big-time recognition
Another annoying fact they got wrong about Lightoller is his accent, which is a clipped, King's English, upper class one.. However, he was from Chorley (my childhood home) in Lancashire and and had a Northern English accent, which is very distinct...
I suspect his name 'Lightoller' which sounds quite posh and he was an officer, was the reason for the performance (which all the movies get wrong) Indeed there are recorded interviews with him and his accent is quite apparent.
You can see that Mike gets a bit emotional when describing certain scenes. Proves he's a good guy.
Cal's enthusiastic promotion of Titanic had more to do with his company supplying the steel for building the Titanic, which he mentions in a deleted scene as Hockley Steel.
You're my hero Mike Brady! Thanks for hours and hours of, not only fantastic information, but also entertainment!
I think "A Night to Remember" was closer to a documentary than "Titanic" (1997). The worst part of that for me was when they depicted Murdoch as taking a bribe from Cal Hockley. IIRC that irritated a lot of people from Murdoch's family and hometown.
I think it was more him shooting himself
@@Borninthe80s.OMG yes, I forgot about that. Yes, they took some serious liberties with the 1997 movie.
Yeah, Murdoch got screwed over. And Ismay.
I think what made them angry the most was him killing himself which I’m almost certain he did not do, the bribe he changed his mind and threw his money at him right before his death
@@Borninthe80s.except Cameron didn’t make that theory up. It’s shown in previous movies and mentioned in previous books, pretty similarly to the way it’s shown in this movie. Walter Lord even brings it up in his book *The Night Lives On.*
Now, Lord also mentions that there were disagreements over it, and that the survivors who knew Murdoch personally maintained that he did not shoot anyone that night. But CAMERON did not make up that moment, any more than he did Wallace Hartley playing “Nearer My God to Thee.”
(Please note that I’m not saying that it’s true. Just that this movie didn’t make it up.)
It’s always a pleasure and a privilege to listen to an expert in his field as I know next to nothing about anything to do with shipping and ocean travel.
Literally just watched this film yesterday at my local theater 😁
Titanic: Death of a Dream, was a 1996 2 part made for TV Movie that I happen to personally enjoy more than the 1997 James Cameron film. It’s definitely worth a watch, with George C Scott playing Captain Smith, and Tim Curry playing a White Star Line Veteran(with a twist). I found it on ITunes/Apple TV, after having seen it on tv as a child years before. I would definitely consider it an interesting film for you, Mr. Brady, if you haven’t seen it already. Keep up the amazing work and thank you for dedicating a wonderful channel to Ocean Liners!
You're thinking of the 1996 American TV miniseries just called _Titanic._
_Titanic: Death of A Dream_ is a 2008 British TV docu-drama about the Harland & Wolff employees that built the ship, and how her construction played into the early development of the Irish nationalist insurgency.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Ah well it appears Apple TV has given it the wrong title. But at least someone else knew what I was referencing. :)
Would be curious to see your take on "Saving the Titanic" documentary. It's on RUclips and it's about the engineers. Worth a watch.
Yeah..that and "Building the Titanic" as well!!
“Inside the Titanic” is also a good documentary/drama. It’s available on RUclips. “Saving the Titanic” is another brilliant documentary!
I think I saw that documentary, I too would like to see what Mike thinks.
I actually don't remember the name of the one I watched just that one of the actors greatly resembled Nicholas Holt. Sometimes I binge watch too many documentaries in a night.
I'm more interested in that than a movie to be honest. Inaccuracies in movies are one thing, artistic license in a documentary that is supposed to be factual is another.
@@kriscook2423 Guilty as charged...☺️
I'm pausing at about the 3:00 mark to comment about the luxury of the Titanic, because this is something that I found fascinating when I recently watched your "Evolution of the Ocean Liner" series a few nights ago and seeing it brought up again here just emphasizes that point. In a spate of documentaries and special presentations that came out around the time of the movie--both before and after--every single one talks up Titanic as the undisputed height of luxury, size, and stature. It was an honest shock to see you put Titanic in its context and learn that it was just "the next one in line," basically nothing special in terms of her intended historical path, and that the glamor and luxury that we constantly ascribe to her was essentially just more of the same, but slightly bigger.
Learning that the Germans put a ship to sea five days after her sinking that put that luxury to shame was another big shock. The documentaries never bother with that; according to them, you'd think people were obsessing over Titanic's loss until the opening shots of WWI.
Hi Mike!: This was an interesting video. I have to admit I have only seen this film once, around the time it was released! My interest in the Titanic story goes back to the mid 1970's when I was able to purchase a paperback copy of Walter Lord's A Night to Remember through my school. Read it cover to cover and was hooked on the story! I bought the Revell box scale Titanic and built it. Used it to pinpoint various events related in the book. Later, I received the Entex 1/350 scale Titanic model kit for Christmas. Have been hooked on the Olympic class ever since! My favorite Titanic film is actually A Night to Remember, which I watched again quite recently. Thanks for all the amazing ship videos, they are superb!
What I really love about the movie is how it went far with some historical details. Like the guy we see drink alcohol throughout the sinking, and thanks to the alcohol keeping him warm in the freezing water, he survives. They also did their best with details like Andrew being apparently last seen in the smoking room although reports say that he was still seen later helping passengers before he went with Smith and jumped overboard with him just as the water reached the bridge.
It just struck me that if Captain Smith had survived, he most likely would have found himself fighting in WW1. Probably commanding a warship.
Doubtful. Smith was 62 years old and had been retired from the Royal Naval Reserve for seven years at the time of Titanic's fateful maiden voyage. It would have been extremely unlikely he would have been required to serve in time of war unless the Royal Navy (at that time comfortably the largest navy in the world in terms of both ships and manpower) had experienced something truly catastrophic and lost an unspeakably large number of officers.
@@blagger116 he was also highly experienced, responsible, and by all accounts a man with an unparalleled sense of duty. It wouldn't exactly be out of his character to sign himself up for a position commanding a troop transport (especially if that transport happened to be a ship he had previously commanded as a civilian) or the like, once it became clear that the whole apparatus of the Empire had to be solely dedicated to the war effort.
Incidentally, that's close to how Commander Lightoller came to be a hero of the evacuation of Dunkirque almost thirty years later.
I’ve seen many of your videos, but haven’t commented until now. They are all phenomenal... absolutely the best channel regarding the Titanic on RUclips. I just thought I’d show my appreciation for the immense time and research you continue to commit to it. Thank you, my dear friend Mike Brady.
Isn't it amazing how many people's interest in ship stems from Titanic! I am nearly 65 and my interest in Titanic and ships was started by seeing "A Night to Remember" then reading the book. One could even say we owe the existence of Queen Mary 2 to Titanic. Micky Arison has stated it was because of the film he wanted to build a trans-Atlantic liner, so Carnival purchase Cunard and the rest is history!
Seek out The Making of "A Night to Remember" It's worth a watch and it's on RUclips. They interview both the producer of the film, and author of the book. It also shows behind the scenes footage and tells of recounts from (then) living witnesses & relatives of those aboard the Titanic.
21:22 Johnny Phillips plays Lightoller in a really wonderful way. You can see his Very British Stiff Upper Lip start to unravel as the sinking progresses. What an amazing aspect to bring to his portrayal of Mr Lights. I’d love to think that somewhere in the afterlife Lightoller saw JP playing him and thought ‘yes, this chap gets it’. A truly remarkable man.
Thank you for the reupload!
I thought I was going crazy when I couldn't find this last night!
Did i miss something? I wanted to watch it today and couldn't find it.
The original was probably deleted because there was an issue of copyright by Fox and was even blocked in my country.
@@CyberJohn_TitanicModelBuilder He shows a lot of the footage from the movie. Probably got a copywrite flag from using too much consecutive footage. I watched the whole thing when it first came out and noticed how much movie footage there was lol. As someone who watches a lot of movie-reaction channels this is a common struggle the reacters face.
@@Galiant2010 Yes 2.5 hours became 29 minutes....
I've been watching your videos nearly nonstop since I discovered your channel yesterday -- this is the sort of Titanic content I've been wanting! The James Cameron Titanic movie was very important to me, and I wanted to know so much more than was available at the time. I remember, as a child, reading the National Geographic article "A Long Last Look at the Titanic" (from the 80s) until the pages were falling out of the binding and again, wanting more. I'm so glad I found your channel! I'm here for all the content you want to make, and I'd love more Titanic movie breakdown material.
I loved this video! It was very well-made. Could you make a video for the 2006 Poseidon film?
I just LOVE that, from 23:00 the plates are all on the ground & the stuff (glasses? Bottles?) in the shelves at the far end are all perfectly upright.
5:07 I am shocked that the comment section isn't flooded (pun intended) with the fact the bearded gentleman is James Cameron.
That's because it's not him. He did though sneak in some voice cameos in the movie
Wow it really looks like him though. I’ve never noticed that before!
@@galmanfergusonyeah he yelled something as one of the men in the boiler rooms
@galmanferguson Plus he famously was the one who actually drew that picture of Rose.
I am old enough to remember when the Titanic was found and that is what initially got me into the whole story. I read every book I could get my hands on which wasn't as many as nowadays. When the film came out I was actually angered by all the kids who suddenly became experts after watching the movie and it made me bitter towards the movie for a number of years. It was mostly because kids thought Jack and Rose were real and argued with me about it. Anyway, I love the movie now and I am thankful to see the generation of people like Mike who have greatly enriched our lives with the best Titanic content I have ever seen because of this movie. Not to mention the other phenomenal work he does here.
Im so glad someone finally pointed that out about the center propeller only true Titanic enthusiast would see that and it bother them to point it out like other false things in this movie
Thanks!
Great commentary. I’d love to see you talk about “A Night to Remember.”
When Titanic stopped suddenly, the pressure in the boilers would have lifted the safety valves automatically. What I think eventually happened is that the engineers diverted the excess steam to the condensers using what is known as the silent blow off.
Thanks for the reupload. I'll say it again: I got interested in Titanic watching the first episode of a tv series called Time Tunnel. The time travelers landed on the Titanic in this episode. Although the writers played fast and loose with the facts, it sparked a lifelong interest in Titanic for me. It's been almost 60 years, and I still am learning about the ship. If you haven't seen this, I urge you to watch it, and I'd love to hear your opinion lol
Did that star Patrick MacNee?
It's the unaired pilot & episode 1 of The Time Tunnel, and also ended the final episode 30 (creating a loop). Oddly the rare VHS edition has the full episodes and common DVD editions have bits cut out. The Time Tunnel was good fun (Land of the Giants was good to), they'd air back-to-back here on Sunday arvo's.
@@MorrisHillmanProductions No, it starred James Darren and Robert Colbert as the time travelers.
I remember watching "The Time Tunnel" premiere back in the mid-Sixties! The travelers, James Darren and Robert Colbert, find themselves on Titanic and try to warn the captain and crew but of course no-one believes them. Michael Rennie played Captain Smith and many of the sets from the 1953 20th Century Fox movie "Titanic" were used for the TV show.
"Time Tunnel" was a good series! Very enjoyable!
This sounds a lot like the Magic Tree House book series, they have a book about the protagonists traveling through time through pictures in books and they find themselves on the Titanic. There was also a more information-based book that you can get to go along with it. I highly recommend it for kids to get into history!
We need a full movie commentary now, already preparing my popcorn!
Fantastic video yet again Mike! I always look forward to new releases.
I’d love to see this become a more regular feature on the channel, with you looking at some of the other films/series set around Titanic.
Definitely A Night To Remember would be on the list and I’d love to see your thoughts on the German propaganda film “Titanic” from 1943.
If you haven’t checked it out already, I would highly recommend the tv series Titanic: Blood & Steel. It focuses on the building of the ship and all the strife that surrounded it.
Have you ever considered making a video on the call of duty zombies map voyage of despair? It's set on titanic and the developers tried hard to make the ship look as authentic as possible so it would be good to get your take on it. Just a thought - keep up the good work
Good video. But I'm disappointed you didn't mention the non-existent gates people were supposedly locked behind as shown in the movie.
the gates were real. But they were unlocked as soon as the ship was in trouble Other documentaries emphasise this. What I found interesting is not only would Jack not have been up on the front, but 3rd Class were not allowed anywhere near the other passengers, so he and Rose would never have met!
At 7:29: Good catch. That is exactly right. The middle prop may not have been used in port at all. The PL turbine could be bypassed when going forward slow or backing up, leaving only the 2 outboard piston engines running.
Even though the Titanic movie has some things wrong, I still have to say that this movie actually made me gain interested into history in general. Already at a young age, 6-7 years, I started to read books and watch documentaries about the Titanic. With 12 years I pretty much only watched documentaries about history anymore when I came back from school.
I used to be the best in history in the school without studying. I was just so focused in the class, that I didnt need to study or I already knew about those things. Wanted to become a teacher in history on my own but I decided to become an accountant instead.
Same here! I wanted to go into ancient history in particular, I even got accepted into university to study. But my parents said no because “there’s no jobs out there”. I’m a writer now.
In the Titanic's story there's also a whole series of if-onlys: if only her departure had been moved again just one more time, if only the iceberg had been sighted sooner (or later), if only those six messages on April 14th alone had been taken seriously, if only Capt Lord had been willing to change things around on his ship to accommodate the survivors (like Rostron) , if only the bulkheads had been carried one deck higher, if only Cpt Smith had slowed down, if only she had enough lifeboats, if only Murdoch hadn't ordered the wheel turned hard over, if only she had a different name.. Walter Lord once said that the if-onlys in the Titanic's story stirred him "more than anything."
As an amateur titanic nerd, I am now banned from watching titanic with friends&relatives.
Lol
Thank you for your beautiful videos! The electricians and the wireless operators just crush me with their heroism. Of course the one wireless operator who survived (McBride) was crucial at the trials that followed.
Mike, one little niggle regarding your commentary: ensigns are worn, not flown. I had this drummed into me by a Chief Yeoman of Signals. I can hear him now, "other flags are flown, ensigns are worn!".
As someone who's been fascinated with the Titanic since reading "A Night to Remember" at the age of 12, I spent most of the film looking for what I'd read about the sinking rather than paying attention to the romance. "Look! There's Lightoller!" "Oh, please be quiet."
“We don’t have any lice, we’re Americans!” 😂😂😂
Thanks for sharing this! When I first watched this film all those years ago I really didn't know anything about the Titanic historically. I never really made the connection that "The Titanic-looking ship with one funnel" at the end rescued them. I kinda thought that was just a dream sequence.
I also think I had viewer fatigue since the movie felt like five hours long lol
I vividly remember owning the VHS and of course there were TWO parts but I'd begin playing it with daylight and by the time it was over it was dark outside lolz
Nice to hear this inspired you! I know the feeling.
Nice, next time - A night to remember scenes ;)
I remember being in 3rd grade back in the 80’s. It was not long after National Geographic released their vhs on the discovery of the wreckage. It grabbed 8 year old me and never let go. My senior year of high school, in 1998, I got to sing “My Heart Will Go On” in our spring program. It was the highlight of my high school career.
Finding this channel has brought me back to some feelings I haven’t thought about in ages.
It’s definitely the ship of my dreams ❤