Europe, China And Japan RESTART Development Of The Combustion Engine!!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Just when it seemed it was all over the Combustion engine gets a new lease of life.. Pure EV is in the doldrums as consumers turn against heavy, expensive cars and a new generation of small, light combustion engines is being developed by Renault, Geely, Toyota, Subaru, Nissan and Mazda!!
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We can’t go back… I love my old cars but the planet can’t take much more notwithstanding the effect on our breathable air!
We’re not going back though.. this new generation will be smaller, lighter, more efficient and with hybrid tech could make an additional alternative to electric only. Furthermore legislation absolutely has to be adapted to encourage lighter vehicles.. be they electric or hybrid or petrol.
ok so lets make a clean car ie EV but it is made with MORE polluntants ...mind boggles !!!!!!!
The carbon story is a big fat lie. It does not cause global warming. There are several books and documentaries (RUclips will censor these) explaining this. Plants use carbon in photosynthesis, more carbon, more growth and better yields for farmers. Our planet was designed by an Almighty God and does not need human intervention to save it.
One of the biggest effect on our/your breathable air is the pollution caused by the coal burning power stations in America, China and India that service their EV vehicle industry.
In the UK it would be nice to think that all that nice electricity needed for electric cars is being produced by little hilltop windmills. Unfortunately the truth is rather different and until our nuclear stations are up and running fossil fuel is being used.
It's more industry than transport! Think how we have come from 2 strokes & gas guzzlers in the 70's to small catalysed turbos - way cleaner & there has been little further development because of the focus on stupid EV's.
let's bring in repairable long lasting cars, stop built in redundancy. that way we make less cars and save our resources.
Jaguar have really screwed themselves... I always thought that they were jumping into electric-only far too early. Has there ever been a car company that's been so mismanaged yet still survives?
Jaguar won't be around in 5 years
Their Ingenium petrol and diesel engines were crap and horrifying unreliable. I think they saw the chance to jump to EVs as an escape 😂😂😂
Chrysler has been in worse shape once or twice.
Lotus would be in much the same position too.
As a Petrol head and also working JLR car plant this Good and Bad news. I always thought Electric was Bad news but when JLR went Balls Deep full Electric at Halewood, i was secretly hoping it would take off or we would be screwed. Now Electric cars are now being seen in a Bad Light ( not surprised) this has put our factory into Jeopardy! The BigWigs haven't thought this through and I feel this could damage the plant Severely !!
I have always been against electricity being ruled as a blanket solution to everything.
When everything is grid connected the grid has the control. Unless the grid gets much bigger it won’t work anyway. All the data centres, heat pumps, HGVs charging on the grid - really? Just not possible. Reliance on one method of energy delivery enhances the vulnerability of civilisation. Great if damaging civilisation is the point of the mandates.
Why?
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
I drive a 44t HGV, there is no way that an EV truck is going to replace diesel.
They don't have the ability to do big mileage & take big weights at the same time, it simply doesn't work.
Not to mention the charging infrastructure that you need for such large capacity batteries, you'd need to install this at every depot, most don't have the space to do this.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270because cell chemistry isn't mature enough, the infrastructure isn't there and it'll take 100 years for that level of change.
You and millions of others who dare to think beyond the groupthink of net zero.
This is what happens when hype meets reality.
Indeed. In the war against physics and platitudes, physics wins every time. EVs are wrong on many levels.
Why hype are you talking about?
I've been driving a dual motor Tesla Model 3 charging at home since 2018. The prodigious instant torque is fantastic, silent, smooth, one pedal driving, and it doesn't stink. You don't know what you are missing.
@@fjalicsYes, but don’t think that you’re doing the environment any good. Electric cars have never and will never enable us to shut down any steam turbine electricity generating power stations because they’ve got to back up renewables 100%. Ultimately, your electric car is charged via cheap, plentiful, reliable, portable, energy dense, highly taxed hydrocarbon or nuclear power.
@@fjalics I know, I've owned a Kia e-Niro since 2019 and its been brilliant, totally reliable and last year cost €349 to drive 20,700 km...but you won't change the minds of petrol headed luddites here..they will cling on to their stink and noise as long as they can
At age 64 here in the States, I ride my e-bike on errands around town and commuting half the time, and I drive a regular car for the rest and for now, that works well for me. And an EV would not be possible, no way to charge it in my apartment and too pricey to purchase. And last February I went on a road trip with a friend who drives a gas/electric hybrid car and that was great, seemed about perfect. Gas power on the highway, electric power around town and the car knows which power source to tap on its own. Cool.
Interesting how the highest concentration of EV ownership in France (where I live) and the UK (where I'm from) are in the wealthy parts of Paris and London where no one has a driveway to charge their cars. I don't know what it's like in the USA but here there are so many public chargers for slow overnight charging in the cities and a lot of people charge at work or the supermarket where there are plenty of rapid chargers. You can put a week's driving on your car in a 40 minute shopping trip
I don't have EV's..
But I hate the push to force out ICE.
Exactly. First the way too strict rules forced almost every manifacturer to apply Volkswagen scandal like software. Engines have become way less reliable since early 00's. I really hope we can find a synthetic fuel that works on any car and potentially develop a new kind of engine that will run better on synthetic fuels. Of course I see many upsides of an electric car and I'm not opposed to it, but the things the government did to promote PHEV and EV cars are ridiculous. They sponsored 50k on a 90k Tesla (they did this in the Netherlands) and sponsored the Outlander PHEV that wasn't any more fuel efficient than an ICE in reality. If peoplle chose those as a company car, they avoided 200-400 on income tax, because 'they helped the environment'. Those people never charged their PHEV so they basically got a huge tax cut on an inefficient SUV. The most cruel thing is that only higher incomes could benefit from this, who generally have a much bigger carbon footprint. These people could have bought the same car without the tax cut, while it was paid from taxpayer money that also came from from lower classes.
Completely agree that governments were pushed to make bigger cars because of legislation.
@@HJ-vs7lf Its the exact same rubbish as 'Offsetting Carbon'. The poorer people end up getting taxed harder because they are simply -too fucking poor- to afford luxuries like taking a flight to another country once every 10 years, or hell, even run a small business. If you're rich you can afford to pay for the luxury to "Offset Carbon" all the while getting tax breaks because you install air source heating, buy a tesla and buy your firm a fleet of teslas.
Personally I think this carbon thing is (pun intended) a smoke screen.
Pollution IS bad but this whole carbon business? Way out of proportion.
@@bunkaaa8726 couldn't agree more. There's no tax on kerosine at all and container ships basically run on raw oil. Meanwhile there's less purchasing tax here on a full size Range Rover with a PHEV system than on a Kia Picanto, an A-segment hatchback. In absolute numbers, not comparatively. I feel like we bet fully on electric cars because we can't make the real choices. It's easier for lawmakers to plan based on a pipe dream.
It’s just that EV’s are already cheaper to build than ice cars and are better to drive and cheaper to run. There’s no push EV’s are just better. (From a confirmed petrol head!)
@@oldbasted You're unfortunately very wrong. There is 100% a push for EV for a 'green agenda' opted by the cabal of government bodies.
EV's are not 'just better'. They need precious metals and resources strip mined from protected tropical environments. nearly 100% of Cobalt is mined from child / slave labour.
Most of the materials are incredibly hard to recycle and the battery pack makes up 50% of the vehicles mass, sometimes more.
When a battery pack fails (and that seems to be between 4 to 10 years) the car in most cases is written off as the cost of replacing it is more then half value of the vehicle.
The efficiency range TANKS after a few years from what I've seen, and most EV users are on a lease / PCP meaning they go for the next model between 3 to 5 years, making more demand for another new vehicle, thus demanding more production, thus demanding MORE carbon footprint to be created.
Considering an EV has more then 2 times the production carbon footprint of an ICE (I think) I can only say no,
they are absolutely not 'just better'.
Governments need to GET THE HELL OUT of the auto business.
Still mad about seat belts? Air bags? Crash testing? Want to be able to pollute the air the people around you breath as much as you want?
@@fjalics Cars don't run on air, and now cost as much as 50 grand for a family car.
@@cycle47hall20 My car doesn't run on air, but internal combustion engines sure do. Try blocking the air intake and see what happens.
@@fjalics Try blowing air in your engine and no fuel, no fuel no power.
@@fjalicsall of these were invented by the auto industry and implemented by them what an earth is your point
Just goes to show how government really knows nothing about anything
The alternative is the free market, such doesn't just not give a damn, but actively works against any attempt to do better for us.
@@alastairward2774 the free market literally delivers what the customer asks for 😂
@@ln5747 "the German manufacturers lobbied hard against limits on size and weight"
@@ln5747 the customer does not ask for what's good for the future of this rock. The attitude is, who cares about future generations, I'll be dead by then.That's the problem.
@@heiner71 a climate ideologist I see.
I've bought my 3 children a Toyota Aygo, Suzuki Alto and Vauxhall Agila as first cars, all small, light, normally aspirated petrol. All under £2k, all reliable, all 50mpg+. No manufacturing carbon footprint due to age. As a means to get from A to B cars cars like these are the best solution imo. Btw, I'm no eco warrior, I own an R8 😂
Due to the shape of its combustion chamber, the Wankel will always remain a thermally inefficient engine. One can't change that, that's why nearly everybody dropped it.
Hey, I also own a Suzuki Alto (Nissan Pixo actually, but they are the same car). Great choice, it's also really fun to drive
Nothing screams "car guy" like a Weber DCOE as an ornament on a side table.
You're right.... i have a 1960's Borrani Ferrari wheel for a glass top coffee table👍✌️🇬🇧
@@okgo8315 Ooof. And I thought the Weber was good, which it is but holy cow.
I must find an old DCOE too 👍👍✌️🇬🇧
Or a Dellorto DHLA, they were/are infinitely better than the Webber.
Said from day one that electric is not going to be the way forward! The damage and the carbon footprint for electric cars is higher when you take into account the batteries!
It just isn't. Do proper research
That's actually bollocks. Do the research.
@rogerfroud300 no you check your facts. From the mining of the lithium to replacement of the batteries and the fact that countries are still using fosill fules to make electricity 😳 watch 'the car guys' video on it and you will see the real cost of EVs
@@rogerfroud300 you seem to have done the research. I would like your sources please. Actual facts, not just an article of of assumptions. I am genuinely interested.
@@mattsansom644 I started with the car guys video
My V8 is 35 years old and with decent maintenance will outlast EV's on the road now.
My V8 is 52 years old 🤣 You are right, they just keep going
I've just bought a V8 (and AMG) before they are rarer...
@@OldCarsNewVan whether I can afford to run a 460ci V8 is another matter!
@@freespeech3673 at least not long to go till you join me in the tax / MOT free club - unless they change the rules of course. And ULEZ compliant as well🤣 Should help with the running costs.
Plus the sound it makes will feed your soul 😎
Governments also failed by badly supporting infrastructure: In order to make an EV useful, the car needs to be charged when you set off on a journey, which means home charging. People living in cities (especially in high rise flats) without home parking have no access to this & there has been no incentive to resolve it.
Government also failed where decent public transport hasn't been developed adequately.
Where people live in high density areas, they likely don't need a car at all and a bus or bike would suffice. The Dutch seemed to grasp that quickly enough.
@@alastairward2774 exactly. Living in a high density area should mean there is less requirement for a personal vehicle, there is no excuse for unavailable and/or unaffordable public transportation.
@@teepee9466 shared car platforms would address that problem.
There are different proposals for how to accomplish this. Because you’re absolutely right that if you can’t find adequate charging and dense urban areas places that have multi dwelling units (apartment buildings), EV’s become much less practical. The solutions will include forcing property developers to include electric charging on site, building electric charging into existing parking structures, such as a grocery stores, etc., and of course the most expensive option which is on-the-street electrification/charging stations.
Personally, I live in Washington DC, and we have a lot of underutilized parking. I could absolutely see shops, strip, malls, grocery stores, target, Best Buy, etc., all electrifying their parking facilities and charging an extra fee for the charging. if you are a landowner with available parking, it is an opportunity just waiting to happen!
@@Cleveland_Rocks this is the daily life in western Europe, you can charge mostly everywhere.
The eastern part is also getting better, so going on a road trip nowadays doesn't need a whole lot of planning as it did just a few years ago.
It truly is inevitable!
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Thanks for all the work you put in Jack.
Well worth it.
Mr. Toyoda knows what he wants and what he's doing
Yer, bankrupting his company
Extracting maximum volume and profit from legacy products while preparing for EVs where and when they are required
@@jsanders100 Cope.
@@karmanline2005 They are dragging their feet and wasting lots of money on hydrogen.
Agree with you 100% on the weight issue Jack. 👍
Colin Chapman would agree 1000% on weight being the main culprit.
Whatever the form of propulsion, mass is the most important factor in terms of energy input as you say. Would seem bloody obvious that lighter, smaller cars would be the route to reducing pollution.
Obviously to point out that almost all flights made are unessential and massively polluting. But, folk want their summer holidays etc.
Those Id Buzz s look great, but 3 friggin tons.... 😂
The original caravanettes were really quite small
Look up the weights of BMW 3 Series and Tesla Model 3. Tell me what you see...
A 520i uses a lot less fuel than an RX8, despite being half a ton heavier. Why should it pay more tax exactly?
Weight, displacement, CO2 emissions in some test that is easily rigged, it's all arbitrary and pointless. Cars should be taxed on the rate of *harmful* emissions they produce - HC, CO, NOx, PPM etc - and fuel consumption is taxed *at the pump* every time you fill up, this is the only fair and logical way.
As an Aston Martin DB9 owner I see this as further proof that I need to just carry right on as normal! No I don't daily it, I have a hybrid SUV for doing the boring everyday family stuff but on Sundays & Fundays, just for a few hours I haven't a care in the world! Long live the Infernal Combustion Engine I say!👍👏👏👏☺️
PS. A DB9 only weighs 1785kg😉
'Only' 😅
@@mordu5620 compared with an EV! That’s what I meant!😂
No problem, the DB 9 will soon break down and become scrap metal, used to build a new EV. 😂
@@HansOleBenonisen🤭
100% agree that cars should be taxed by weight. Its ROAD tax (VED is the tax you pay to use to use your car on the road for and pedantics out there)! Use it to fix the roads being crushed by these tanks
Range Rover first then? Are you gullible? You believe the lies about EVs that are spread by the oil industry lobby groups. I have a great investment for you ...
PS It is not road tax - you are 40 years out of date.
So trucks should be taxed more..?
HGVs??
@@derekr1113 If you are specifying that it should be called VED then yes it is. That tax is what you have to pay by every vehicle to use public roads. So road tax! 😀
-- Jack, you are sooooo correct about the weight issue. A few examples: My first new vehicle was a 1978 Golf/Rabbit Mk 1, 1.5L, leaded fuel, 71hp, 53kw, 4-sp manual, 1750 to 2150 lbs. Very high mileage - 40 or so mpg to the best of my recollection. Sat 4 comfortably. My current vehicle, with more weight and safety features, but much better technology, is a 2020 Kia Forte/Cerato/K3, 3rd gen. 2.0L Nu engine, 147hp, approx 2900 lbs, 40mpg on the highway, 35 combined. Seats 4 comfortably. Large trunk for lots of stuff. Notice a trend here? Both of these cars are substantially more efficient on a life-cycle basis than any mid- or large-size EV.
-- I parked my silver Kia next to a stainless Cybertruck the other day and took a photo-it looked like mama bear and a newborn cub. The cybertruck looked stupid-much more stupid than any mama bear could be.
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We've all (especially Americans) have become spoiled. If all of us drove right-sized vehicles, we wouldn't have government EV mandates, methinks.
Give the guy your time to listen. He makes the great point that greed for profit has wrecked the electric car dream. Instead of small combustion engine cars carrying 1 - 4 people and weighing less than 750kg, manufacturers are building huge electric cars carrying the same number of people but weighing twice to three times as much. This never made any sense. Would be great for everyone and for the environment to see the return of cars like the Citroen 2CV, the Kijang Toyota, the original FIAT Panda and and the still-born FIAT ECO-Basic.
You make great points. One thing about electric cars that's had me scratching my head is the obsession with the 0 to 100 km/h aka 62 mph. Seems any longer than 5 seconds is bad and less than 3 is good. Ignored seems to be the fact that if one does this just a small number of times the range becomes close enough to useless.
Good point. With these big batteries in EVs then using lower power electric motors would help their kWhr/km (ie equivalent mpg)
I agree but it’s not new is it? It’s just that petrol heads can’t stand the fact ev,s are faster, smoother and soon to be cheaper as well.
Electric motor has peak torque (hence thrust) at 0 rpm, with a pretty much straight line to zero torque at peak rpm. Hence hard to get a high torque at high enough revs for high speed, and if managed it will likely have ludicrous torque when moving off.
@@jsanders100 Your comment tells me how little you understand petrolheads
@@adogmcdizzleI understand petrol heads perfectly because I used to be one, 3 Porsches, lotus, lancia, never owned an Alfa is that the problem?
Japanese have Kei cars - millions of them, fitting a massive need.
Here in Australia, the popular "car" is either a massive TwinCab truck, or an inefficient SUV. Kei cars were laughed at - but as city cars would be excellent. People cry "safety" - so drive lumbering 2½ tonne vehicles pretending they're sports cars.
Edit - back when I was learning to drive, Honda was selling the 3 metre, 500kg N360/600, later the Z. There was the Mini - just over 3m long, 600kg. Both those were common on the roads and owners loved them. Subaru & Daihatsu had popular tiny cars (& vans) too.
If I had to choose between a full EV and a Kei car, I’d take the Kei car mini van.
Don't forget that it's not just the cars that have become obese. So have people.
I love the idea of a kei car with a straight 6.
I'm in Australia, too. Aussies are nice people, but intelligent on average? The lower-educated classes have always loved big cars. It's been so since my childhood in the fifties thousands of kilometres away from here. Now ignorance is a holy cow; say anything against it and one is condemned. And huge, wasteful vehicles are a product of ignorance. Force what is right on the hoi-polloi, like they do in Singapore? Not likely.
I think I will invest in small, coal-burning steam engines for road use.
I’ve actually seen videos of those driving on UK roads. I don’t know if steam tractors were more common in the UK, or if they just weren’t used much in the mountainous eastern US where I live, because the farms are hilly and were smaller.
@@seed_drill7135 I've wondered about the comparative dearth of traction engines in North America, especially on the Prairies. I suspect that it's a matter of timing. In the UK, capital, coal supplies and engineering expertise were common in the 19th century, less so in N. America. By the time there was a market for big farm machines, internal combustion motors were well on the way to dominance.
The steam engine is only at most about 15% thermally efficient. There's a reason why everybody went away from it.
@@grasonicus We're talking about the scarcity of antique examples in the US vs. UK. Of course you had to have a huge farm to have afforded such equipment in late 19th and early 20th centuries. I do see steam engines, but they tend to be horse drawn and designed to power other things rather than self propelled.
@@seed_drill7135 We even had steam buses and trucks in the UK for a short while. If you ever make it to the UK you can take trips on a steam bus in Whitby North Yorkshire
The 2.0 in the Mazda 3 is the engine of the moment imo. It does everything right
Not sure - it's a pleasant engine, not particularly efficient. Toyota have far greater efficiency in the equivalent Corolla hybrid engine, which has the bonus of much lower brake wear, and overall running costs.
@@alanclarkeau hybrids add a lot of cost though. And greater complexity to maintain.
I’m with you there Jack 🎉
I work in the trade, some 44 yrs, the last 34 as breakdown and recovery……… we see a lot of EV anomalies first hand.
I think I’m known as a hater of battery EV’s which isn’t true…….. I advocate small, highly efficient, short range cars for home charging, commuting, shopping…….. delivering progeny for indoctrination about the myriad genders and the way we ruined the world with our fangled inventions…… sorry, I digress 😊
Big EV’s are a total nonsense…….. one scenario that makes me chuckle, big boss has his new Rolls Canardly……. I mean Spectre……… his driver will always ensure it’s topped up. In his old Phantom, if Jeeves really had to, he could back out of cruise and whoosh into the hell that is MOTO, splash and dash……… big boss may not even notice. However, queuing for an available charger, finding it doesn’t work, queuing for another, then having a 30 minute charge, realising that due to demand you’re only getting 7kw and you are looking at 4 hours for a meaningful charge……… big boss will melt down.
Ignoring the meteoric drop in value, the treatment akin to leprosy at a dealer if you try to get rid…… 🙁
Electric traction motors are wonderful……… hybrid, fuel cell etc is a future worth chasing.
Battery EV is an evolutionary dead end 😥
I think you'll find Mazda, unlike many, had never stopped developing the combustion engine alongside their EV offerings because they understand people want choice and 1 size does not fit all
And yet they can’t understand what rust-proofing is, or take the hint that the rotary engine has failed to take off after about four serious efforts from them.
They’re a less than stellar example since their hedging of bets by racking up crazy R&D, stands a fair chance of finishing them off.
@@kellypaws over 1,000,000 rotary powered cars produced says otherwise 🤣
@@DaveSpecC EV sales are over 10 million and increasing, yet this comments section argues they’re a dead end.
Rotary sold 1,000,000 in about 60 years?
Yeah. That’s definitely not saying otherwise. That’s saying, “Whole load of effort trying to sell engines that people were reluctant to buy.”
@@kellypaws Due to *government involvement,* offering huge $$$ incentives to _'go electric',_ nearly every electric car ever sold was at an actual loss to the manufacturer. Wankels were never blessed with any government largess. In fact a good argument can be made that government legislation is what killed the Wankel engine by instituting MPG & HC emissions standards just as the Wankel came to the market.
@@Matt_from_Florida No, I'm afraid not. Tesla is one of the fastest growing companies out there, and until it let the range get outdated, it was doing very well. Now they're discounting because they've let the range get surpassed by most other manufacturers.
The rotary wasn't killed by legislation, it was killed by the Yom Kippur war and the fact that they were less fuel efficient than a V8 of 4 times their capacity, whilst burning through apex rotor seals in as little as 15 to 20,000 miles.
They're a technically interesting idea that doesn't work well.
As a EV owner this is great news. EV's are crap
Probobly will be a lot better in a few years though ..
I share the same sentiment. I have a Hyundai EV, and I think it's still got about 5-10 years before the infrastructure catches up and the driving experience improve. Luckily I only lease my EVs. I still have my ICE cars.
I own a Tesla and have just ordered another . 3 years no service, no faults, original brakes and 57k miles at a cost of rough 67mpg over ownership . Driven to Austria Germany France and Amsterdam. No range issues never felt I was missing out. Plus it’s technically free due to salary sacrifice and almost 0 company car tax . I have my two classic Mercs for the weekend !
@@BEGGARWOOD1
Happy for ya. I'll stick to real cars though.
@BEGGARWOOD1 Anything more you want to tell us about?? Your massive salary, how much you can bench?? 😂😂😂
Meanwhile we car enthusiasts, "We don't want to say we told you so but..."
Exactly!
"enthusiasts" aren't the ones crying about 15 minute cities though.
It is possible to like cars and also like EVs. Armchair scientists who think they know better about carbon emissions based on gut feeling really should not get a voice in this debate. It is a data driven debate, pure and simple, and that data always shows EVs are better over the long term.
Horse owners, then Steam Engine owners said the same, and where are they now?
@@rogerfroud300 Yes but the transition was a natural one, and not out of governmental push and fear mongering.
That is exactly how I have been thinking about electric cars. I just love light cars, I have classic Minis, Lotus Elises, and for everyday transport we have 3 Audi A2 3L. in the family. I am doing about 50 miles a day in the summer at 87MPG. Current milage is 273000. My son has a very nice 2004 model milage is 430000. We have fitted aftermarket DPF filters, so that they can be used in low emission zones like Copenhagen. Alloy so no rust. I have looked a lot at the BMW I3, but the tyres are expensive, and the cost of buying. And those A2s just runs fine.
too bad all manufacturers didn't followed A2 logic, that was brilliant idea for the future of auto industry.
but marketing made people want to buy big SUV.
Last year I was paying 60 pense to park my electric van in London for four hours.Since January, that figure has gone up to 28 pounds! Having checked the council website, I was shocked to read their explanation for the price increase from 60 pence to 28 pounds. They say that significant levels of CO2 is being released during the production process of electrical vehicles.
Where in London is that? I find it difficult to believe.
@@dandare1001 yes it is unbelievable. The parking meters are located in Islington; Bawling Green Lane, to be exact.
'Significant levels of CO2 is being released during the production process of electrical vehicles.' In that case I would expect a petrol Citroen C1 (Very low manufacturing footprint) to be pennies to park? Thought not.
@@tolgarupture Bloody hell. That's disgraceful.
I usually park my car in the suburbs and take the tube or a bus, but sometimes that's inconvenient.
@@adogmcdizzle Councils and governments are totally confused, and are making knee-jerk reactions. It's what happens when we vote in incompetent people. Ultimately the voters' faults.
I'm glad you mentioned BMW. The current CEO got rid of the carbon manufacturing and killed off the i3 and i8 with no replacement.
I have an i8, an X5 45e Hybrid and the latest M4 CSL. I will always keep the i8 it is absolutely the best BMW ever built.
The current CEO doesn't understand driver involvement and has gone on record as stating that electric and batteries are powerful enough not to worry about weight. This shows he has no idea about driver engagement or the fact the impact and damage heavy cars have to the environment. I want guilt freeish driving and the i8 and i3 did just that.
No current BMW comes close in fact the i4 M has been slated as poor in all press tests.
Plus, they're now throwing tasteful aesthetics out of the window and pandering to their Chinese buyers (who probably know nothing about feel and driver engagement too, dare I say).
A win for the people. A reality check for the manufacturers. Don’t tell us what to drive. It’s our money and our choice. We tell you what to make.
Is that why there is only a handful of proper enthusiast cars on the market today?
@@kantina4765😂
We're telling them to make cheap, no frills EVs.
China doesn't do much IC development. They license, join venture or just copy IC technology.
The problem is the GOVERNMENTS have put such unrealistic requirements for pollution and mileage on these vehicles already... that's why we've ended up with tiny turbo motors that don't last more than 100K miles (if you're lucky). They need roll back some of the requirements and let the reliability return to 90's/2000's levels.
Or in the US, everyone gravitated to trucks big enough to drive through the loophole.
@@seed_drill7135 Yep
Well, if reliability is what you’re concerned about… How is it that some manufacturers are able to build cars with unbelievable reliability, such as Honda and Toyota, and the rest of the manufacturers build cars with terrible reliability? I don’t see that as an issue with government Regulation. That’s just car companies being lazy and crappy. As for adding turbo onto ICE engines… That’s a choice made by the manufacturer? The average consumer doesn’t want or need any of that extra stuff. They want daily drivers that are reliable and comfortable, and affordable. Sounds like an EV to me.
@@Cleveland_Rocks Even toyota is failing.
@@ghoulbuster1 Failing to keep up with 5 Chinese companies that are light years ahead of reusable and renewable battery technology...?
I've been longing for this development for over a decade... even discussed it with researchers who already over 10 years ago realized the necessity of diverse propulsion technology. Good to hear! Thanks 👍
As of right now, I think the best thing to do would be mild hybrids, aka no large battery packs, just a very efficient internal combustion engine aided by an electric motor. For example, if you were to take, say, a 1.2L naturally aspirated Inline 4 engine and really optimize it for fuel economy and longevity, it would produce something like 75-85hp. Add a small electric motor with 30hp or so to it, and now you have a very compact powertrain that'll be perfect for a city car. It's gonna use very little fuel and last a long time, and thanks to the electric motor it'll be zippy around town. Add a turbo and maybe a slightly more powerful electric motor, and you have a hot hatch.
I think you're right though, vehicles should be taxed on weight. But I also think that for most people and what they really need day-to-day, they don't need more than 100-120hp (or a bit more on a large SUV or pickup), and I include myself there too. In my opinion, cars don't need to be more powerful with every new generation because the speed limits we have aren't changing, or if anything they're gonna be lowered. In my country (Austria) the speed limit on the highways is 130km/h, or 80mph. Even the base trims of a Skoda Fabia, Fiat 500 or a Hyundai I10 with like 70hp will get to that speed, eventually. And if you live in the city and rarely drive outside of town, then I'd argue those cars are really all you need. In the cities, I see so many big SUVs like Audi Q5, Q7, BMW X5, Mercedes GLE, VW Touareg etc. and almost every time there's only a single person sitting in it, the driver. And that just seems wasteful. If you're on your own, how much interior/trunk space do you really need on a daily basis? I'd argue that for most people something like a Toyota Yaris would suffice. It weighs 1000kg less than those cars, is much cheaper, still has 4 seats if you need them and certainly enough trunk space for your daily groceries.
Volvo promised to go all electric didn’t they? 🤷♂️
Volvo offers some tempting EVs that are luxury cars in China. With China's strong EV infrastructure and market I assumed that Volvo/Geeley would stick to EVs. But according to Jack, Geeley is teaming with Renault for a new ICE.
Yeah, and they shall.
This entire video is horse dollop clickbaitery following on an originally even more heinous piece of speculation in Pistonhead - which isn't exactly Reuters.
Unfortunately Nr 27 is down the conspiracy theory, loon path these days. More clicks that way.
Brilliant Jack, I was and still am of the opinion that electic cars were not thought through properly. Yes they are heavy, yes they are very expensive and to top it off they still don't have enough range considering the lack of charge stations. Read what Rowan Atkinson wrote, re the electric car... john
What Rowan Atkinson wrote in The Guardian had to be quickly withdrawn and corrected as a lot of what he said was untrue. Sadly, a lie gets half way around the world before the truth has put its shoes on. If you want to know the truth about how heavy EVs are compared to ICE, and how much range they have, how easy it is to charge and the costs of running one then listen to someone who has years of experience owning an EV. Check out the 430,000 mile Tesla taxi featured on AutoTrader, still on its original battery and motors. My Kia e-Niro has been faultless and a joy to own over 5 years and 103,000 km...I live in France and have travelled to UK, Switzerland, Germany and France in the car and I can tell you that it's range is longer than I will ever sit at the wheel without a break (about 3 hours). I've been driving for 50 years now and have had some fancy ICE cars in that time but the last 5 years with the EV have been a revelation.
Finally.. someone with a brain talking about electric cars.
I just love that classic RC10. Displaying it like that is a great idea.
I always knew... Hybrid is the way to go... EV was a pipe dream
We all knew that 2030 was far too soon and now even 2035 is too soon.
Be sure to not purchase any ocean front property, you may not own it for very long.
It’s odd how almost every bollocks, non-fact is preceded by, “We all knew.”
In fact, every time anyone ever reads, “We all knew,” it should be taken to read, “The following statement is clearly shite, but I intend to argue it to be factual with the vehemence that only ignorance can maintain.”
@@kellypaws Yeah yeah, very good. Bollocks and shite in the same sentence. How refined and intellectual you are. 😁
@@worldofrandometry6912 Are you going to tell me that we also “all knew that”?
By the way, the two words in question are not in fact in the same sentence.
@@kellypaws Funny that the governments seemed to agree that 2030 was too soon. If you want to be pedantic, how about 'many of us knew'. Does that work for you?
The technology to get 50-100 mpg has been around for decades….the only reason it’s been ignored is because the public didn’t demand it….and because fuel has always been available and relatively cheap.
Diesel is a shame that it’s being villinified! There is allot of development to be had there and having a diesel series hybrid is probably the best all around solution for the masses.
Less co2 in some cases too.
Edison motors … hope they can follow through
all cases
I did a comparison between my large 20 year old 2litre Diesel Station Wagon and my friend's 3year old 1litre Petrol SUV. The results were not a surprise; my car narrowly lost on emissions
@@julianlangdon3456 my 40 year old Mercedes with a 3liter engine gets about the same economy as my direct injected turbocharged 2.5l similarly sized and weighted modern vehicle using gasoline. The issue for the old Mercedes is it makes 120hp and the new one makes 250hp. Modern diesels are very much equivalent to their modern counterparts and get phenomenal mileage in heavy vehicles
I’ve just bought a Mercedes diesel that does 68mpg, happy as fook thank you very much. EV’s are NOT the future.
Being a man old enough to buy a new mercedes proves that you are not part of the future. You will log off before the real future arrives. 😂
@@HansOleBenonisen The EV future is you never owning a car and living in a pod and eating bugs.
Fuck me! is the rest of the world finally seeing this now? No-one needed a car with lunatic speed and/or a 4 ton Hummer. Nor did it need a completely new fuel system, motor, car to carry these things and charging stations to keep them all going. And what are the power stations generating all this demand running on? wind? I think not.
What it needed was all those resources pushed into a synthetic fuel that existing cars could run on and new engines could benefit from. Chuck an electric engine in there too if you want but EV's are and were not the be all and end all imho. Shame it's taken right up to now to see that.
Love the Tamiya Rough Rider(?) in the background. Circa 1979 iirc...
Synthetic yes, e-fuels no. You need a ridicules amount of electricity to make e-fuels. And - as you pointed out - where does the electricity come from? Wind? Probably not.
Harry Metcalf is using synthetic fuel from biomass in his cars. It comes at a very affordable 4.75 pounds a litre.
@@VolkerHett exactly this. Imagine £ per litre if there was more R&R behind it...
@@paulelverstone8677 You can't break the laws of thermodynamics :D We can just hope fusion fulfills the nuclear dream of energy too cheap to meter.
Synthetic fuels from plants need farmland to grow which is not unlimited and at least I like to eat something.
Think the RC is an RC10 worlds edition re release although Jack does have a buggy champ (rough rider re release) and a superchamp re release.
@@VolkerHett the synthetic fuel sounds interesting, if it really does cut back on emissions and other pollutants for that cost per litre.
But would the likes of Shell etc al actually allow it to prosper?
Hallelujah Jack! It's about time the whole EV thing was hashed-out. See my CNG LR soon.
Agree with all of that. Spot on as ever Jack. We need good, efficient, lightweight SMALL cars!!
My parents own an EV ( Tesla) my Dad can't wait to return to petrol power, in the UK we just aren't ready for Ev's ....charging points etc, let's face it EV's aren't going to save the planet anyway, it's just another political push! Remember the push for diesel power, I think hybrid is the best middle ground. Excellent stuff as always Jack buddy 👍....oh weight is an excellent point! Cars are 4x heavier now but so are people 😂
Lets be honest, this was inevitable right from the start. Everyone, governments included, jumped on the bandwagon without putting any thought whatsoever into the practicalities of full electrification. It's been years since their policies were made, yet most places still have almost no infrastructure for EVs at all, and no ideas on how people without a garage or driveway are supposed to maintain one. I'll never understand why government ministers are so incapable of seeing what is so blatantly obvious to the rest of us. We'll get there one day because we have to, but the timeframe they originally set was always completely unrealistic and ultimately impossible.
The EV bandwagon jumping was just a new version of the diesel push from the early 2000s onward.
" I'll never understand why government ministers are so incapable of seeing what is so blatantly obvious to the rest of us."
I suggest you watch some congressional testimony by the leaders of the Department of Transportation, Department of Energy, NTSB and so on on the subject of electrification. Also some of the witnesses, like Hollywood actors telling everyone why the nation needs to transition to electric vehicles. You'll all too quickly understand why they are incapable.
@@skylined5534 No, the EV bandwagon is the only way forward. Diesel had no real chance to impact climate change. Was anyone surprised that Diesel turned out to be less than stellar polluters?
@@Cleveland_Rocks Impossible future, electric is unrealistic.
@@ghoulbuster1 Really, Walter? And praytell how are the 40 million electric vehicles in Asia doing these days? suffering? sad? lonely?
Brilliant, I honestly think you are providing the most intelligent motoring material on RUclips
Anyone interested in all the controversies surrounding decabonization needs to see this video. Excellent presentation. So many commonsense obsevations. Well done Jack!
Superbly put. You hit the nail on the head and hopefully the evangelical attitude to EV's as well.
BRING BACK V10 TO F1
Nice one, Jack! I couldn't agree more! Right now, here in Alberta, Canada (the Texas of the North) I keep seeing little Kei trucks and cars on our roads. These have some real advantages here for small businesses and deliveries, they use very little petrol as compared to regular North American Trucks, and for our Winters they have 4wd (some even with Diff Locks). I have even seen Hunters and Sportspeople purchasing them and then adding off-road ATV Tires to these Kei Trucks and then use them as Side x Side Off-Road machines. There are so many new small trucks from Ford's Maverick to a host of new Japanese, Chinese and European small trucks. So if we, the largest consumers of Pick-Up Trucks are taking a hard look at these smaller options, then why aren't manufacturers offering small efficient little cars from EV's like the Nobe's pretty little 3wd car and All wheel drive small trucks to Kei inspired cars and sporty cars for other than the JDM. The internal combustion engine will likely never really go away, it is too much linked to us and our future. Can't wait to see what comes next! Take care - Dave
Vielen Dank für Ihren hervorragenden Bericht! Gott sei Dank werden es immer mehr Hersteller, die die politischen Vorgaben aus unternehmerischer Sicht bewerten und dann vernünftigerweise den Verbrennungsmotor weiterentwickeln. Sehr interessant auch Ihre Erklärung zu den deutschen Autoherstellern. Ich habe grundsätzlich nichts gegen E-Autos. Sie müssen im Alltag aber ohne Einschränkungen funktionieren. Das ist aber bisher nicht der Fall. Vielen Grüße aus Deutschland in das Vereinigte Königreich!
It all started going pear shaped with OBD2, the mere notion that politicians were going to dictate the pace of product development was inevitably going to end up a shitshow. Every time they introduce a new standard I'm reminded of the story about the man who invented chess and in return asked for more rice than had ever existed... unrealistic expectations never end well.
OBD2??? OBD2 is a vehicle's built-in self-diagnostic system - a system that alerts the driver of a system failure and assists a repairer with the diagnosis of the said failure. I don't consider that the instigation of OBD2 was the genesis of the current 'regulated conundrum' that is placing severe restrictions on the future manufacture of internal combustion engines.
@georgebettiol8338 in the 90s each vehicle manufacturer had their own version of OBD, BMW had a round 20 pin obd port, VW had a a rectangle shaped 6 pin port, and each manufacturer was able to do as they pleased, as technology advanced they went about things on their own terms and at their own pace. They weren't pressured or forced into rolling something new out in time to meet deadlines they had little control over. This was then turned on its head when OBD2 was implemented, suddenly they couldn't just do their own thing anymore, instead they were given a subscription to the rule book, and with each new book of rules came a higher standard. Inevitably manufacturers were forced to decide whether to try and meet the new standards or simply to cheat them where they knew they wouldn't be able to.
@@ciarand2823 A vehicle 'Built-In Test System' such as OBD, OBD2 has nothing to do with Vehicle Regulations. These Vehicle Regulations are enacted by Governments - eg. EURO 3 (Europe), ADRs (Australia), CCC (USA), etc. Vehicle emission tests can be conducted on any vehicle with or without a Built-In Test System'.
@georgebettiol8338 tests can be conducted on any vehicle but tell it to VW who decided it'd be easier and cheaper to construct cars capable of detecting known test conditions and adapting their behaviour until they detect they're no longer under test. It's better to go for a walk than to empty a bottle of water over your head and pretend you've just beaten your personal best marathon time. I much preferred volkswagens 1.9 PD engine to the 2.0 common rail unit that was hastily developed around the same time that ultimately replaced it, the 1.9 had it's own shortcomings but it didn't try to fool anyone into thinking it was all things to all men.
@@ciarand2823 Reading between the lines of your latest comment, I assume you are referring to the VW emissions scandal surrounding a VW diesel engine. In that case, it was attributed to software loaded to the engine's computer (CPU) that when it detected that an emissions test was being conducted it would deliberately alter the engine parameters in order to improve emissions data. The aforesaid scam has nothing to do with a Built-in Test System as the ability to provide fraudulent data was incorporated within the engines computer - ie. the CPU. In the aforesaid case, the Built-in Test System is merely used as a conduit to extract stored engine and hence emissions information - including fraudulent information - from the CPU.
EVs are fine for local transport and tbh make more sense, but as I always say ‘one size doesn’t fit all!’ Talking of size, I think you’re spot on with the fact that we have a load of overweight and overpriced heffalumps on the road today. It’s not just BEVs though, but generally with the SUV obsession! The public need to vote with their feet though, otherwise nothing will change!
The choices for small EVs in the USA is very poor. So we wait.
I am a fan of inline motors. Inline 4 cylinder motors from 2L, all the way up to 3L and inline 6 cylinder motors from 3L all the way up to 4 Litres. 3 litre 6 cylinder motors have been able to produce 255 horsepower and 225 pounds feet of torque and return mid twenties in terms of miles per gallon without turbos or electric motors for over a decade. Granted, not everyone is going to be impressed by 0-60 mph in six seconds flat with 30 mpg highway, but that's progress.
Even in the 80's small cars (super mini's) were in the 700-800kg bracket, 90's class leaders were 800-900kg. With all the crash resistance built in, and all of the aids and comforts this is now more like 1100-1200kg.
If you look at the bigger cars, like a Mondeo or similar they are so big they don't even fit in a parking bay, and some are also over weight.
A parking bay is 2.4 X 4.8m, and a lot of car parks are designed to a limited load (1500kg is shown on some signs, 1600kg others) that is exceeded by some of these models.
There was also a part of the highway code that meant you had to leave your lights on overnight with some of these vehicles. I think they might have removed the clause though along with a lot of the other things that people ignored. I'm surprised they still have speed limits in there.
But I would like to thank all of the hard-working auto manufacturers and civil servants who have contributed to making our parking infrastructure too small for their cars... well done 👏
We have incompetent governments. They get caught up in the latest thing too often, going too far, instead of taking measured controlled responses.
They are mainly competent at corruption.
Governments know nothing. They listen to axe-grinder lobbyists.
Never accepted ev as the future, hopefully the manufacturers will no longer be driven by the eco warriors and this will enable the successful continuation and development of our heritage in motoring.
Very likely eco warriors who have never learned to drive, too. God help them if they have to do something an Uber can't manage.
ev without battery (so, directly driven from ground etc) would be perfect answer. they could power trucks etc this way already..
That was useful to know. Thanks, Jack.
A re-heat of a speculative piece in Pistonheads, with less than accurate quotes re Geely and Renault, is not 'knowing'.
At last. I’ve been saying all this for a couple of years. Thank god the manufacturers are finally realising. Great video. Really interesting. ❤
This is why I have felt that focus have been on BEVs for far too long: you could do much more with hybrids that still are compatible with the current infrastructure while focusing on much cleaner energy in other industries with a greater effect overall (no coal or fossil fuel power plants, reduction of emissions in the shipping industry, payments to governments like Brazil to end deforestation). Going to a fully electric individual transport model should be done AFTER all the things I just said, not before...
Why not concurrent? Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. Get rid of the engine, and you reduce maintenance drastically, plus get rid of the transmission.
Thanks for sharing this common sense good news 😊
Agree with everything you said. Noone is going to convince me that an electric car weighing 2.5 tons is greener than a Golf Tdi.
the one time the invisible hand has done its thing. hope to see more of it
TBH, all this sounds like an attempt to head off all those ultra-cheap EV's coming out of China which, without trade barriers, will flatten most of the companies named here.
That is probably part of it.
Thing is, what garage is going to be able to service/fix these Chinese cars ?
Or even if data/information is available on them to do this ?
I just see them as short-term cars destined for scrapyard in a very short time.....
You only have to see videos of scrapyards in China chock-a-block full of bicycles from their last experiment.
@@michaelbarton4787 I don't think repairing these cars will be a big problem. I assume if a manufacturer sells a vehicle, it's under the condition that they have to provide after-sales services, ie spares and repairs.
@@dandare1001
Have to isn't the same as will do.
@@skylined5534 Do you think anyone would buy a new car that couldn't be serviced?
Most people can't even change their oil or brakes. Servicing is high on the list when buying a new car, I'm guessing.
I wouldn't worry about it, unless you are buying one, then check first.
Hi Jack, what you said about EVs being taxed on weight
I would take it a stage further and tax them on kWhr/km (equivalent mpg) and max power of their drive motors
This would treat EVs in the same way as ICEs
The more energy that you use and the more power your car has them the higher your tax
This would incentivise smaller, more economical EVs
I've always said that vehicles should be taxed directly on the fuel used. A heavy car (whether EV or ICE) will damage the roads and environment more than a lighter one. It seems fair.
Being taxed directly on the fuel used means if you drive 1000 miles a year, you will pay a pittance (whether EV or ICE). Drive 50k a years, and it will cost a lot more.
@@dandare1001 good point, although I think that this logically leads to a road access tax (I can't remember the correct term for it) rather than a flat annual road tax
@@philjameson292 I don't know if that logically follows. We already have higher taxes for large-engined cars, but at the moment you pay the higher tax rate even if you don't use the car.
Two of my cars are very small and economical, and I probably drive less than 3k total per year with them, but I pay the full rate of tax for them. This makes them more expensive per mile than they should be.
Road tax is already a road access tax. If you can't afford to pay it, you can't drive.
Tax being based on weight and economy is fairer. People who don't want or can't afford to pay a lot should choose smaller cars. The wealthier can choose larger cars if they can afford it.
Spot on! I can understand why the first EVs are large expensive prestige vehicles because that is where the profit lies, and there was no government encouragement to produce small EVs for short commutes, local and city use, where the benefits of low carbon output is most effective. Taxing a car's weight is a good way of raising the revenue to maintain our infrastructure, but a car's efficiency (Kw/mile?) is also important to reduce the impact on the environment, because of how and where the electricity is generated.
Great video. I would be happy for combustion engines to come back. I run a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. This has been great, as I can drive zero emissions for a round 30 miles, and still have the petrol engine for when I need to go further. The 30 mile range caters for around 90% of my day to day journeys, and the petrol engine means I don't need to worry about finding and waiting for charging when I'm away. I was going for full electric, but the charging infrastructure is just not there yet.
There are rumblings in F1, of a return to lighter, all petrol drivetrains. Which would be brilliant for F1 as the cars due to the weight of the batteries are over two-hundred kilos heavier than F1 cars of old.
Yeah, the new rules for 2026 are going to save 30kg, having put on 200kg since the 595kg cars. That'll put her back on the catwalk, won't it?
@@ChristianRThomas Trolls like you are worthless. I was not referring to 2026 sport.
There is no excuse for those trousers.
They are his 'lucky' PJs, he's had them since he started the channel. It's just a bit of fun.
True. But if he stopped trying to net clicks with nonsense/ inaccurate pieces like this, I'd happily tolerate Rupert Bear's fever dream trousers.
I think they are cool
@@enqane Well, that makes at least two of you.
Do you around looking at people's junk?
Thanks for bringing this up!
I love my fully electric BMW I3, thats now ten years old, and know it may have some malfunction that makes it worthless at any time, but so far it has been my cheapest transportation ever for the three years I have had it. At the same time, this car is useless for long distance. I usually only travel long by car during summer, and petrol cars are both more fun and more practical, in the sense that you actually get to the destination without spending time at charging spots. I'm looking forward to travel trough Europe in my little Fiat Barchetta soon, and the Maserati GranTurismo S i always a blast. The milage may be expensive, but you get there. The emissions, seen from a bureaucrat, may be very high, but the total usage is so little in total so it doesn't matter. For me this news are great, I cat get petrol for my cars also in the future. Who cares about diesel?
I was fully expecting to dislike your comments but came away having learned a lot and rethinking some of my positions - thanks!
Also - I totally understand that Germany has become known for larger more luxurious cars don’t forget that they were responsible for some of the lightest and most beautifully efficient designs of all times, the VW Beetle and Porsche 356/911. Also, BMW produced the German versions of the Austin 7 and the Isetta, two of history’s most successful minimalist designs.
The fuels they are talking about using are approx. 10 times the price of petrol. Bet everyone cannot wait top pay £100 per gallon.
Just goes to show the lengths the majority will go too to avoid buying an ev!
Approximately? Sources?
@@skylined5534Porsche recently did a presentation on it you’ll have to find it yourself but they don’t deny that cost.
Source: Lit crack pipe
The problem with EV is that there is no cash cow to milk and bring in cash after sale. Wear and tear is heavily reduced but the battery replacement costs will make up for this. Also ICE does more damage than just emissions. It uses a lot of bad solvents and the replacement of all the fluids is very damaging to the environment.
That’s before you even talk about getting it out of the ground, refining, transporting etc
I am not so worried about the battery. I know there have been accidents resulting in the need for a battery replacement, but hey - there are also accidents resulting in the need for an engine and gearbox replacement. Try buy a new, modern ICE engine for a nickel...😅
Batteries produced after 2018 seem to last longer than most cars are on the road. There are many examples of taxis who have been driven more than 400K kilometres which still works perfectly fine.
I myself use an 2016/17 Ioniq first edition as a commuter and it is now passing 200K and still have more or less the same range as new. 😉👍
"...replacement of all the fluids..." - used engine oil is recycled into other products; EVs use coolant too.
Keen to hear more on this….
Also, Nice RC10 👍🏻👍🏻 I’ve got mine in the garage.
A lot of good news to unpack there Jack.
BEV's have gotten off on the wrong foot because of the Govt mandates. We can clean up our cities and environs by having small electric vehicles that have low initial purchase cost and simple, efficient uncomplicated design.
Nobody needs a BEV that goes 0-100 in 2 seconds, not really. We just need to be able to get around our cities without having to walk everywhere.
Was always going to happen.. full EV was always a dead end!
I've been telling people this for years!
Look at the new Citroen eC3. Sub £20k....180 mile range...
Also the batteries can be refused and recycled, try that with fossil fuels
Drops 50 miles when you put heating or air-conditioning on 😂
I'll stick with my 2018 EA888 engined 300bhp VAG petrol hot hatch that has a 365 mile range and takes 2 minutes to fill up, and is LOADS OF FUN to drive.
Totally agree Jack, the push from gvmt to ban petrol and diesel cars was not a well thought out plan. While EVs will benefit some people they are not the future of motoring.
Using e-fuels and synthetic fuels would be my preference and as engines are so efficient these days they will have very little or possibly no emissions.
Hope the Pantera rebuild is going well!
Your a legend.....you have just confirmed my thoughts
Jack - love your car reviews, but honestly speaking am personally certain that because oil will undoubtedly run out, and so believing that the fossil powered cars have a future is a dream. The inherent proposition of an EV is that they are 80pct efficient and grids are rapidly decarbonising, so that they are simply a better answer. As time goes by batteries will get lighter, and infrastructure will improve so that you don't need a massive battery.
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Hey John.. I’m proposing it as an additional source. Current push towards all electric is too rushed and going in the wrong direction. Also these engines are designed to run on all sorts of fuels including hydrogen.
Hydrogen as a fuel is just stupid
Why? If the idea was given the proper investment both by manufacturer and refueling infrastructure it would work.
@@mikeroz6549 The losses on efficiency are enormous.
We have a natural gas network, that will become redundant when no natural gas is produced in the next 20ish years. It would make sense to reuse that for hydrogen. We need some form of energy storage for renewables. This is a lot better way to store energy than current battery technology.
time for enlightenment
It's been done by BMW decades ago on there V 8,seven series and running an fleet of them for thousands of kms
The new Renault 5ev is a step in the right direction for EV cheap light and efficient. 👌
Does make logical sense to ‘transition’ into greener future. How these manufacturers have been allowed to produce all these ‘tank-mobiles’ is the reality of how serious they all are when profits at risk. Very informative Number 27. Please carry on.
The way forward is DIESEL and always has been. Diesel powered cars with an effective DPF installation have the smallest carbon footprint if fuelled by bio-diesel. What other fuel can be grown in a field refined on a small scale, delivered locally all at minimal cost both financially and to the environment. The move to EVs is a total disgrace in every regard. The Chinese and Indian manufacturers must be laughing themselves wet as they burn off millions of tonnes of fossil fuel (coal) and plunder rare earth minerals whilst producing vehicles that are bizarrely being touted as our route to carbon neutrality
What if I told you, if you type plant more 🌳 the word, your comment is removed
Diesel is rubbish, full of faults cost an arm and a leg to maintain.
I don't see the point. Develop small EVs, not cling to the past must be the motto. Even if there is still some potential in combustine engines, there is so much more in the EV space since the develepoment there only really started maybe 10, 15 years ago. It's not like combustine engines are bad today, rather the opposite I would say, at least in terms of efficiency, but the problem remains that they burn fossil fuel and that will never change. Unless you are talking about e fuels, but that is also not much more than a pipe dream at the moment and will probably not be at a reasonable price point any time soon, if ever.
The point is that this way we are getting much closer to the efficiency of electric, with lower manufacturing costs and emissions so the overall won’t be much different. I agree there is a place for full electric but also think we need to keep combustion propulsion as an additional option.. At least till the infrastructure is fully in place to support electric and in the meantime ALL cars have to move towards being efficient and light. Current direction is madness
The first electric car was made in 1915 the Detroit Electric Model 61 Brougham. There are more reasons to why EVs always fail I don't know what those reasons are, but they are there.
The current direction isn't madeness. Keeping everything around although it is just no longer needed comes closer to madness I would say. There are certainly some cases where an EV will have difficulty replacing a combustion engine, but those are fringe cases. In reality 90% or more of driving is to work and maybe to get groceries and that's where EVs shine. And for longer trips batteries and infrastructure will only get better, so that argument isn't that strong either, at least in the long run.
Also of course every is forced by policy makers now, but that's mainly because the manufacturers lobbied to change nothing as long as they possibly could. The GM EV1 was a functioning EV in the 90s, if developement went on from there we would be so much further, but the insistence on combustion engines made that impossible. It's sad, really.
@@uselessDM you can't change the laws of the universe. The reason battery technology is so crappy is because of the physics of our world. We have reached the apex of battery tech ages ago.
I don't think this is the right direction. The efficieny of combustion engines will not get much better than it is at the moment. And most people also don't drive them in an efficent way, so that they're using way more than they should. With plug-in hybrids it's even worse as they are mostly sold because of tax savings and then only used on gas. And ICE cars also get heavier and bigger all the time, that's not only an EV thing. People just don't care about size and weight of cars...
And with announcements like that, investments in charging infrastructure will just slow down even more and it will take longer to be adaquate.
New cars with combustion engines which are fun to drive will still get rarer and more expensive, so petrolheads are also not gonna profit in my opinion.
Technology at the beggining got us to where we are now. It would be reasonable to think that it will create realistic solutions for the future
I can hear a Swiss engine development firm saying: we've been trying to tell you since the start of the original Smart........'way over 30 years ago.....
The ICE Fan Club which is hopping for the wonder engine like the Führer for the Wunderwaffe…
We know what has happened…
We bought a used 2014 Nissan Leaf seven years ago, even here in the states we ended up using it for more than 90 percent of our car usage despite having only 75 miles of range since most trips are fairly close to home. We just upgraded to a used 2021 with 230 miles of range and we still get four miles per KWH out of it and use our 2001 RAV4 (with a manual transmission) less and less. We need to stop thinking in terms of all in one solutions - combinations of technologies like low rolling resistance tires, low friction engine and drivetrain components, engines able to use the higher octane of ethanol to their advantage with higher compression ratios and turbos allowing smaller engines for the same output. There isn't going to be just one solution.
Number 27 is unaware of the BYD QIN L DM-i launched last week in China.
Any car designer can downscale it so it becomes a Fiat 600 PHEV.
1. Reduce the ICE to 3 cylinders.
2. Put a variable geometry turbo.
3. Reduce the wheelbase to 266 cm.
4. Organize the PHEV battery pack into a 2 x 40 liters = 80 liters pack that's storing 12 kWh (gross energy when new) for cycling 8 kWh (net usable energy) so it is factory guaranteed to last 6,000 charge-discharge cycles, each providing a 40 km WLTP range.
5. Channel the exhaust line in straight line between the two 40 liters battery halves. Each measures 10 cm thick x 40 cm wide x 100 cm long.
6. Mass-produce tailor-made 2nd generation Li-FePO4 cells that sustain a continuous "10 C" discharge rate, that are storing 300 Wh per liter at cell level, so the battery pack volumetric efficiency can be as low as 40 liters (required cells volume) / 80 liters (battery pack volume) = 50%.
7. Fully accept the 10 cm aerodynamic penalty, and thus, ensure that the roofline flies 155 cm above the road surface.
8. And thus, install the occupant's feet, hips, elbows, hands and head, 10 cm higher than in a Volkswagen Golf mk6.
10. Use the space that remains free under the 2nd row seating, for installing the fuel tank.
That's all, folks ! So easy now !
I’ve been following this with interest for all the same reasons you have mentioned. This whole EV thing was a knee jerk reaction to a very real problem, but with just our economies in mind and not the option of pursuing properly developed technology or joined-up thinking across the number of alternative fuels available and in development. This is now an exciting opportunity to make a real difference and still deal with the effect that personal vehicle transport has on a global problem. We also need to look elsewhere and stop blindly blaming transportation for the climate problem, but this is a significant step with intelligent thinking. Finally we could be seeing a new dawn in vehicle technology.
By the way Jack, totally agree about the i3 and i5, a brave bold step by BMW, largely ignored for no good reason!
When my diesel SUV broke down in the middle of nowhere I called a platform to take me back to the city. Seeing my car, The platform driver told me I was lucky I didn't have an EV , case in which he would have left me stranded at the side of the road and go away refusing to take my car.... . I asked why, and he replied: ---"EV's are way too heavy... They are more than half ton more than my platform can carry....that would break my platform or it may roll it over in a curve.... And if the police would get me carrying such thing the fine I would be getting would be huge. THEN.... If you just scratch the floor of that damn thing, it is considered as total loss and I would have to pay a 50.000 $ bill ... No way I would risk ruining my life and my house for that thing... For EV's you need special platforms at premium cost , and also the insurance you pay is huge!!!"
Even after being stranded, since that day I would always preffer a diesel to an EV .... Even better if a new type of engine will be available ....
I saw this coming, years ago.
Love the vintage RC10!
The inevitable transition away from combustion to electric motive power will have bumps along the way but the superiority of an electric drivetrain is so obvious to anyone who drives and owns an EV. No more messing about with oily bits and having to handle dirty, smelly pumps. The car charges while you are sleeping or doing something else and after 5 years and over 100,000 km with one I am never going back to 'suck-squeeze-bang-blow'. I drove a friends petrol car recently and it was like someone from a bygone age, so clunky and the cost of fuelling it!