Dragclicking - Mechanical vs Optical Switches (CAN'T Dragclick?)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2021
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Are Mechanical or Optical Switches better for dragclicking? In this video will found explain just that!
Lots of mice in the past could dragclick and even double click due to their relatively primitive software and debounce software. However, as technology and innovation progressed, so did software. Debounce software, which is in nearly every modern mouse, limits the CPS and prevents double clicking and dragclicking.
In addition, newer mice started to adapt optical switches and replace the old traditional mechanical switches. With that also came newer software changes that involved debounce. Due to newer mice containing optical switches as well as debounce software, it is often impossible to dragclick on mice that have optical switches. As a result, optical switches are often seen as poor/bad switches for dragclicking.
However, switches have a minimal affect on dragclicking. Rather, its the software that should be taken into consideration when purchasing a mouse for dragclicking. A prime example of this would be Bloody Gaming mice. Mice such as the Bloody A70, Bloody Abedless, Bloody A60. These mice are exceptional dragclicking mice that have optical switches. Due to their amazing software, debounce can be easily changed; therefore, this proves that switches don't impact dragclicking.
RUclipsrs such as Bedlessnoob play Minecraft Hypixel Bedwars and use clicking techniques that involve dragclicking in Minecraft to god bridge and bridge across very fast. Drag clicking and double-clicking are very useful in that game.
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Mice: Bloody A70
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I think the confusion comes from razer saying that their optical switches dont couble click at all
Yeah
@@l_dsz8840 if 6 cps is enough, yes it can drag click
@@l_dsz8840 what does g502 have to do with viper mini
Its a lie they got dc prevention
I’ve been here since the start, gl on 20k!
I love the editing! Also cool new name. I hope that more companies will add adjustable denounce time in the future.
I think the reason most mice companies don’t have adjustable denounce times is because double clicking is hated in the FPS community that isn’t Minecraft or smth like this
another great vid also congrats on 10k
thx :)
Very informative video
I didnt even know bloody mice had opyical switches xd
Cual me recomiendas ?
Thx dude I was explaining to someone that doesn't know this, I send them this video link, this will help
I thought no one would believe me about this since razer and roccat have optical switches but both market 0 denounce (I dont know if roccat does but razer does) and it perfectly sums up my thoughts but I have another point that I thought of this for which is that double clicks are physical, what I mean is if you purposefully double click if you just press your mouse normally and it clicks twice that's the switch or software problem but when you do it intentionally you bounce the button up and down so that you can basically instantly click it which is a very bad explanation but if you try to double click slowly it wont work but if you dont move your finger you can click again which seems to me basically how you do it. I'll try explaining again so you tape your mouse button and it bounces back up and when you keep moving your finger down you click again and for triple clicks you do a double click and like another triple click but the problem is sometimes you will get accidental double clicks with mechanical so the cps isnt 100% legit if you even want to consider it but it still is a skill you have to learn I'll agree in competitive minecraft it isnt as fun when someone's butterfly clicking 24 cps and taking literally no kb but alot of butterfly clickers dont even click 20 while pvping. Wow I just typed that all and it all went off topic kinda.
Edit: it's also kinda not a lie about their switches not double clicking since they are talking about accidental double clicks which are physically impossible with double clicks but if they removed the debounce time it would 100% be an insane drag click mouse just like bloody except well they have actually good mice and I'm going to stop now before I write even more
Yup double clicks are physical
Damn you changed my view completely. so if your a hackerman You can make the razer viper mini drag!!!!
Nice vid man
Love you dude
I like the way Heli3x speak
Really solved my question thanks so much
My mouse has written double click speed instead of denounce time how much I have to set it?
I still need that tape man
i remember seeing this guy when he had like 3k subs
Yes
Ikr
Same
Same lol
same
Great video!
When do you think you could make the vid about the safe, and good drag click tape?
soon
@@helixmods I recommend paper tape
@@theoq5843 you too?
Then why does the bloodya7 and a70 is different?? Its the same mouse but just different switches?
WOW Heli3x is now a science teacher
But does the mouse need to be able to double click
do you know if a bloody a70 still drag click because on the website it says that the mouse has metal switches that prevent double clicking, so i was just wondering before i buy one.
Took my dude u back
But hyperx pulsefire haste can dragclick and it doesnt have adjustable debounce time so idk
Okay, so when I’m getting my bloody a bedless 😍, do I need to do something about the settings in the software? pls answer it’s important.
nope
I love how in his comparison to a70 and a7 and he says that optical switches are much easier to drag clicker but mechanical isn’t as good
The fact that you took apart a bloody a series mouse for the thumbnail pissed me off
wait till next vid ;) you might be triggered
@@helixmods oh no…
@@helixmods OH NO
what cps test do you use?
When is that 2nd tape video comin?
soon :)
Great vid
So all old mice from like 7 years ago have 0 debounce?
can u make a short drag tutorial
Cual me recomiendas ? No entendí
can omron switches butterfly or drag click?
Even if i have debounce time on mh software still i can’t butterfly click on drag click
My viper mini can double click but it’s really hard
i think that the bloody optical switched are differ than the razer optical switches by that they go like mechanical switches with laser actuation, causing them to be like a ruler going up and down.
the razer switches doesnt have that metal thing does not double click and because of that they don't need debounce time.
No its just dc prevention on the razer side of things roccat's kone pro has opticals and can dc
yeah but how can optical switch have debounce if they phically cant debounce
i need to change my mouse switch to TCC golden switch please help me make a video plz
Wait what thanks for the information
My friend has the infrared switches, is it better or optical switches is better?
its the same (basically a laser)
No it's not the same, mechanical switches wear up to 10x faster than optical ones, witch means oxidation and failing of the components inside the switch, the optical ones has more plastic, less to 0 metal contacts also the spring inside is different from the normal switches.
So yes Optical switches are faster and more durable, for example
Top mechanical switches are
1. Omron depending on the color ( blue ones are more recent, last up to 50 mill clicks so they say ) but normal red ones up to 10 and if ur lucky 20 mill click's
2. Huano has a decent life span of ~1-2 years
3. TTC ( witch are the worst ones start to 2x click after 6 months
Optical switches are the same 0.02 ms response time and no 2x click or 0 register when you press them ( they do NOT become less clicky and get more mushy over time ) => they last longer
What if my mouse doesnt have a software?
correction: its not just the software... its also the design cuz some mice designs have a near travel distance which makes double clicking hard
That’s not a correction. This is just a reason why drag is hard, not weather or not it has the capability to drag.
i use optical switch to drag click and now when i normal click it double clicks
Thanks so much My mouse hasn’t been working for months
No problem 👍
If you were to switch the switches of a bloody a 70 onto a razor mouse, would you able to then adjust the denounce time?
No. The switches have no impact on the debounce. It’s just like how the color of a car has no impact on its speed. Debounce is determined by the software of the mouse and in some cases even the electrical components that compose the pcb (aka dc prevention).
i saw your vid but i was luck to get the a70 matte black a70 from bedlessnoobs link
So ALL mice in the world can drag click if they just had a software to customize the debounce time?
Cual me recomiendas ?
lool my model o wireless is now always sticky no matter how much i clean it
drag click LoooooooooooooooL
Agree
why would someone want to drag click? I've never needed to do that in any game
Helix pls reply to this
You have tons of good mouse but why never upgrade your laptop or adding gaming keyboard
(Just asking doesnt mean to offend)
planning to! 🔥
I remeber seeing this guy when he had like 1k subs
finnaly someone noticed that
I need the tapeeeee
what is dragclicking? i have never heard of it anywhere
razer viper: **exists**
nice new name
The animation that you show to demonstrate optical switches isn’t even firing the thing is just moving up and down without firing
Thx god i watch this vid before i buy my gaming mouse
You are a smart fella! Thank you so much for this video. I hope it'd reach a larger audience as I've seen myself docens of comments say the same about optical switches being superior over mechanical
U are the best
Why cant I drag click?
i bought a bloody a90 and i cannot drag click on it
I bought my bloody a60 optical switch but it barely double click, it double click fine IN NORMAL CLICK, but not in butterfly click, does it depends on report rate? (The debounce time is 1ms)
Report rate is for cursor movement.
Polling rate is cursor delay bruh
kone pro air can drag click
But I just don't understand why people outside of the MC community are so agresive to double clicking. Let's say you are playing counter strike GO and your mouse clicks twice LIKE LITTERALY HOW FOES THAT DESTROY A MOUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE
the nice thing about bloody mice is that you have adjustable debounce and can disable double clicking
Exactly. I don’t think double clicking makes much of a difference in most games, unless you are trying to double click.
Its goid for minecraft if you need to quickly build a thicc wall in 1 sec ir jyst casual clutching but it also helps dealing more damage because of that multiple clicks
@@paklekj4429 I meant why ppl that play CoD valorint or FPS shooters and RPGs dislike double clicking
I ordered the ABedless 2 days ago, was it a good choice?
Yes bro
@@scoot1621 Ok ty
yep!
Your not drag clicking the optical part your clicking the mechanical part of the optical switch . So why would switches be different
0:25 m711 cobra is typing...
u can use xmouse
Bob theme :)
boppers
Hey Heli3x, i know you are not reading these comments as it is pretty old, but i wanted to say something. So i am buying a mouse that is (optical) so does it mean it can drag click as it has optical switches?? pls reply bro
All optical switches can detect drag-click, it's just that the vast majority of mice that have them use detection limits. This type of limit is called "mask" (not to be confused with "delay"), which would be 27ms in the case of Razer optical mice, which detect up to seventeen clicks per second. That limit probably exists because it would have a big advantage over mechanical mice, which despite having detection problems, by adding a delay due to electrical rebound, are still considered an option for buyers, and therefore develop more mechanical mice.
The optical mouse that I would recommend the most is the ROCCAT Kone Pro Air, since it has a configurable debounce delay, and you can select it at 0ms. On this mouse, it has reached more than two hundred clicks per second.
@@felipearaya5741Model D2 Pro also has a denounce slider + optical switch
Can Razer deathader assensial drag click
no - or at least not very good
Hey, did you use parallel desktop for using Windows sistem on the MacOs?
no I use bootcamp :) its built in
@@helixmods oh ok thx, im a big fan btw love all your videos :)
Is there like a program that can change the debounce time of any mouse?
yeah use x mouse
some mice have built in debounce circuits that cant be changed with software
@@Zyr-0 nah it can only raise debounce time, I tested it.
@@helixmods yeah but it could be worth the shot, if it dont work, tough luck lol
i have a spider 2 is it good for drag clicking? or is there any other way???
if its a software issue then ur stuck
Has as???
Are huano switches optical or mechanical ?
Mechanical
I’m sitting here with my literal school nice and everyone now have like 10 $100 mice lmfao
Can’t fcking drag properly anymore with my G Pro Wireless. Thank you Omron (Double Click Issue). Those mechanical switches are building static electricity which disturb the provided signal to my pc. Hence you have to blow air into your mouse to make it works once more…
NIce vid
Also another thing to note what the big companies are saying about doubleclicking and our doubleclicking are not the same, their doubleclicking is more of broken switches causing noise in the actuation that is causing 2 or more clicks to register while clicking normally, while our doubleclicking is hitting the mouse in a certain way to make the clicks register twice
which you are correct
@@Boyten88 i have no clue honestly, just my theory atleast
@@xevnn280 Been proven a long time ago- confirmed with an mcplayhd admin too
@@xevnn280 ya have a disc? I can explain more if you want :D
If ya wanna explain it just explain it here :D
tru
no for example on razer mices the optical switch is made to provent debounce time,there for there is no debounce delay, the razer optical switches are made so that there is no physical vibratoin in the switch, no debounce delay and faster responce time. optical switches are the cause of not double clicking ON RAZER MOUSES since the optical switches in razer and bloody are not the same
your explanation does not explain how the mice cant register clicks above 25 cps regardless of clicking method. Software in the mice prevent double clicking and drag clicking. The switch has only 2 outputs (on/off).
this phenomena is due to switch pooling rate, or top out in a way, the fact that the switche can be on or of is false on razer mices since the laser beam has a with and it takes a sertain force t oaccuate the mouse click, this is caled in physics as a force threshold, fore is mesured in newtons, when converted into cinetic energy the posistion potential energi that forams mechanical energy converts into mouvement, said differently it means the force you over come to accuate the switch translate into a movement that has a speed, this speed can be aproximated as constant, since the threshold is almost always the same, so the time that the light blocker takes to travel the with of the light beam and the post travel is the reazon for the 25 cps max, it probably takes 1/25ms, that's the periode, if we consider the acuation of a mouse switch as a frequency, it means the time you need to wait beetwen clicks with a razer optical switch, in frequency therms it's caled the periode, the patern that repeats over and over for the number of Hz or MHz in a seconde, mechanical switches are different they have a much higher frequency, since the accuator dosn't need to go back up, it simply needs to slightly vibrate
@Boyten88 for a contact based switch yes, since the comutator chaders against the contact leaf, this is caled chadering and is what leads to quick on off succestions before the click stays flush against the contact leaf
Sorry if it doesn't make a lot of sens i tried to find the good translation, i am not english native but if you have any doubts i would be relly happy to clairify anything
@Boyten88 why would they introduce delay if the point of the technology is to reduce latency ???? And how do you know if there is a delay, from testing the delay is similar to the one of a mechanical switch with debounce set to 1 ms, it,s not faster since pooling rate is maxed out at 1000Hz so theoreticaly you could not get mouse to system larency of below 1ms or 1s/1000Hz or 0.001 second
I'm out here like I don't even know what drag clicking is but I'll still win
hi
Why is his name different
branding issues + yt is threatening to terminate channel for inappropriate name smh
Hi
Ngl you kinda made intel edit’s double clicking look bad
how so?
@@helixmods he kept on saying that the switches matter and you need mechanical switches to double click. Your vid completely debunked that. Great vid btw
Ayooo a60 gang 😎
If ur name changed, doesnt that mean the logo will too?
maybe
um i have a question why are you putting keyboard switches on screen instead of mouse ones i completely understand they are pretty much the same thing but with different looks and sounds and sizes but it would really have helped if you put mouse switches because if someone was trying to switch their mouse switch out because they saw this video and they decided to get a keyboard switch and ... :| solder it to their mouse (man that hurts to say) it would break and they would get mad and leave hate comments on your videos and give a dislike
leading to other people with the same idea to leave your channel and forget about it
Random Kid On Internet,
iamM4Tr1x
ummmm I dont think anyone would actually buy the keyboard switches tho. I used them to illustrate the idea of optical switches bc there are not any good photos of optical switches or animations that I could use for my vid. Also, I wasn't recommending my viewers to buy any product whatsoever
thank you for the feedback i was just wondering :)
Imagine membrane switches
epikk.
totally forgot i helped make this thumbnail lol
my hati s go 4ms and i dont have problems!!
can you buterfly click on them
Why have you rebranded
Omg I got a heart
yt threatened to take down my channel bc it has 3 x's in it oof
@@helixmods ooooof
drag click and ur mechanical switch will die way, way faster than an optical one .... i mean an optical one has from ~50 mil to 100+ mill click lifespan
Wile an mechanical has a real lifespan of 5 mil to maximum 10 Mil clicks
ah, yes the switch that turns on and on.