Real Life Woman Portrayed in "Baby Reindeer" Might Sue Creator, with Marcia Clark and Mark Geragos
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Megyn Kelly is joined by attorneys Marcia Clark and Mark Geragos to discuss the real life woman portrayed in the Netflix series “Baby Reindeer," whether she has a case against Netflix and the show creator, her viral interview with Piers Morgan and whether she'll sue him now, and more.
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Netflix would never do this? Does no one remember the documentary about the junk yard guy that was falsely convicted of rape and murder served like 20 years , got out committed a rape and murder and Netflix made or bought a documentary (Making A Murderer) that made it look like he was framed by dirty cops ? He s back in prison after found her burnt remains on property , her car and young nephew accomplice confessed.
😂😂 oh yeah ! 😂😂 Netflix 🤦🏼♀️
You don't think he was framed for Teresa's murder ?
@@smch6416are you joking? I’m sure you are opposed to her but Candace Owens created a documentary about the truth of that case and it’s very convincing
Worth looking at if you’re in the camp that he was framed, maybe worth taking a second look
I’m not sure where to find it outside of the daily wire site
@Remingtons209 I'm not opposed to candace owens. She's one of my favourite people 😊. I forgot she'd done that, I think you had to pay to watch it so I didn't. I should check it out
Cuties -that was Netflix too ?
I saw the Piers interview and Fiona did NOT react with any sort of emotional credibility. She didn't even seem truly hurt and angry - just greedy for a piece of the money from Netflix and Richard on their big hit. And she admitted to having six email accounts and many different phones -and even said she might have sent him tons of emails after all...but the worst accusations weren't true. She changed her story constantly and she seems very unstable. "Baby Reindeer" was amazingly intense and disturbing. Episode 4 was hard to watch but very important in the trajectory of the tale.
Thank you!
All the characters portrayed in this series have serious destructive mental issues, I would never trust any Netflix production claiming..true story
It wasn't based in Scotland, he is Scottish but based in Camden North London
He met the groomer in Edinburgh though…
@@lbrubesno he met her in a pub in Camden.
@@eleanor5585he's talking about the groomer not martha
@@smch6416 oh thanks for clarifying
@@lbrubesIn the U.K. a tv comedian Richard Osman stated on his broadcast, everyone in the industry knew who it was apparently.
What I find so shocking is that the fact that he was raped is like second on the list of discussions. We are putting so much focus on the Martha character and not on the person who raped him. You're even down playing it in this conversation saying he was "abused" like it's not that serious. Is it because he is a man that rape isn't as serious? Had this been a woman everyone would be loosing their shit about who raped her.....
He wasn’t raped. He was seeing the guy voluntarily! He was exchanging sex for potential career opportunities in tv.
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
Heavens! They couldn’t have picked a closer match in the actor playing Martha!
The actress is pretty and very large. The real woman isn’t as large, and I do not think attractive. The real woman seems very unlikeable but the actress seems likable but obviously nutty considering the role she is playing.
I thought the actress was absolutely superb!
Nothing like her
Not Scotland, based in London. The people involved are Scottish.
Netflix did state in the credits at the end that incidents dialogue, names, locations etc had been Fictionalized
Exactly
That was in the closing credits. Netflix plays the next episode before the closing credits play. However every episode begins with the declaration “This is a true story”
Then a Netflix exec declared to parliament that she was “a convicted stalker”.
That was in the closing credits. Netflix plays the next episode before the closing credits play. However every episode begins with the declaration “This is a true story”
Then a Netflix exec declared to parliament that she was “a convicted stalker”.
It was brilliantly written and brilliantly acted. It was a fascinating watch
In very small print, but at the beginning of the film, it says it’s based on complete fact
The show was INSANE. I picked it before I knew anything about it. Talk about a car accident you can't turn away from. WOW!! 😳🤯😳🤯
I watched the whole thing in one afternoon!!! It was wild !!!! The parents were my favorite “characters”
Everyone at work has talked about it, and these are people who barely watch any TV. It must be that good.
I agree. In the end, deeply troubling …. Omg.
Now she's gonna be stalking Piers Morgan. He totally screwed up. 🤣
He'll love it and then write a book about it.
When she said they were only a year apart in age i was like 😳
Hard to believe stalking is still a thing, with these gas prices 🙄
Right!?!?!
She looks exactly how I expected.
That's part of the problem. Too many details.
And acts like a psycho.
Hi Megyn, what are your thoughts on the groomer/rapist Darrien?
My understanding is the people in the industry know who Darrien is in real life. Why isn't he brought to justice? Seems Gadd may not be the only victim. Doesn't anybody care? To prevent a next victim, God forbid a young male teen or adolescent trying to break into the industry, just as Gadd was.
If he did that to Richard Gadd or anyone else…he should be in jail.
Seriously after Fiona’s Piers interview… a handful of people are doubting Gadd… if the roles were reversed… no one would even question about the credibility of the story…
It's his story to tell. He never named her, showed pictures of her, or remotely said any details about her, other than this is what happened to me - she remained completely anonymous... except for those internet trolls and Pierce Morgan. As far as I know, he has every right to tell his story. I think she's doing this, not because she got noteriety, which she could've completely denied, but like everyone else, wants to rake in millions of dollars in money.
In the UK this is defamation and illegal.
@@blondie4 defamation is so hard to prove in the courts. How is he defaming her? He would need to name exactly who she is as a person to do so, which he didn't do.
Meanwhile, she said dreadful things about him on Piers Morgan. BTW, he could countersue him for danages, stalking, harassment, etc.@@blondie4
Never said any details about her, lol, they used the exact same messages she used to find her. It's uncanny how similar she is to the real Martha. What is Gadd sharing the profits with everyone?
Not if some of the stuff wasn't true - like if she really didn't go to jail, then she has a defamation case. He doesn't actually have to name her. If he showed enough details about her to be readily id'ed, that's goo enough.
Legal action??? For what? Did she stalk Gadd or not? End of story.
It said she was convicted and jailed and a top KC she was in talks with (about legal action) said there is no record. I believe that was the reason given.
I could hardly think of a more '2024' kind of story.
It’s very easy to either prove she’s lying. People think things on the internet can be deleted. They are never deleted just what’s on your computer and that’s only if you’ve done it right.
*Fiona Harvey’s nephew publicly stated that Fiona DID spend time in jail.*
@@GaminDePycombe why cant the media find public records of that
Thank you for including one of my favorite attorneys and prosecutors Marcia Clark!
While claiming Netflix did not change the story enough Fiona Harvey wants to sue because Netflix changed the story???? Even when America's Most Wanted did re-enactments things are changed due to telling a compelling story withing the confines of a TV segment....the same is true with any production based on a persons lived experience. Baby Reindeer was not marketed as a documentary or even a re-enactment it was a "Drama Series" for entertainment
I agree- she can’t have it both ways. She’s conceded next to nothing, but claims she’s immediately recognisable in the characterisation. If there’s not even a grain of truth in it, why does she think it’s her?
I’ve just googled ‘ define true story’
It’s something ‘based on ‘ real events.
The 41,000 e-mails adds up to an average of 22 per day if you use the timeline set out in the tv series. That would challenge even the most sophisticated stalker. Plus there is no record of any court sentence against the stalker.
Precisely it's actually more comical that people potentially believe everything they watch on tv
How is she sending all those emails if she’s sitting on a bench outside his house 16 hours a day? Her phone must have some battery! Or maybe there were different phases. I agree with Megan she’s probably crazy
Well it actually depends...depends on how long is what she is writing? Did she just send an email with 1 sentence of few words? Then I guess you could easily send many emails....
@@wend2239 She may have done 22 if she no job, no friends, no family, no pets, and no life.
@@user-og2wt3le4j no I appreciate your take on it but sorry I still have to debate this.... even if she had a job, friends, family and pets...it doesn't take much time or effort at all to bring up an email; click new email; type the receiver in & type away your message...and going by her spelling or lack of don't think it took much difficulty....
The series Babu Reindeer was dark and scary but I couldnt stop watching it.
She had 6 Phones and 7 e mails …..
Insanity 🤯
Where’d you hear that?
@@rossydv- oh, he just made it up.
She said she had 4 phones and 4 - 6 emails.
@@sachavanmeir1591 again, where?
I don't get it. Neither person is likable in the least. I came away from it not caring about either one of them or what they went through.
The dude is a total douche that makes every wrong turn a person could make and yet NEVER learned a thing. No sympathy. I never seen such a wimp in my life. I'm not victim shaming either....this man just cannot be saved from his stupidity.
Megan is biased in this one because of her stalker.
The real tragedy is that this man and his absolute trainwreck of a life (not withstanding his "stalker")decided to torture the world with his story
I think they did their best to disguise her identity while keeping important character traits intact. Firstly, they changed her name, which is the least one can do. Her appearance, which happened to resemble hers, is important because it invokes a feeling of pity and, at first glance, appears to be harmless. It highlights how we make assumptions about people's appearance to make ourselves feel better, self-righteous, and superior. The character being Scottish adds familiarity and provides reasons for him to have talked with her. Also, her being a lawyer highlights flaws in the system regarding stalking and how someone familiar with the law can exploit it, portraying the other party as the harasser by recording their conversation. The fact that both the character and she have a history of stalking further emphasizes this point.
One thing we can argue about is the language they used, especially concerning the sexual innuendos. On the one hand, she undoubtedly said those things to him, and since it's his story, he should have the right to tell it that way.
On the other hand, he should've known that using the exact same phrases as she said could lead people to identify her. So it's a double-edged sword.
All electronic communication described here is traceable. If he claimed it, he can prove it if its true..
That Richard Gabb is a very weird man---
And exceptionally talented. This is Netflix's biggest hit. He wrote it and starred in it. Brilliant. The best revenge is success. And he's done it. Brilliantly.
@@LyndaHill I couldn't agree more.
I think he’s very talented.
It’s you who is weird ! He is a very talented man and he should be proud he has so much courage !
Suppose no convictions no police investigations but eventually his legal side would say "oh, but that's fine that was just embellishment". Funny isn't it that no news reports from previous years about any investigation let alone convictions despite his Edinburgh Fringe comedy and a wife of an MP as alleged victim. And I wonder about why the rapist wasn't investigated or prosecuted (assuming he wasn't) while the stalker supposedly was.
It will not fly with the Crown Megyn. She will lose!
S.King "Misery"
I got that vibe too.
Me too. I swear I got the creeps. The actress did a fantastic job. 😮😮
Episode 4 is what all of us must watch and truly understand the abuse men go through. Please don’t fast forward through that episode
Imagine giving an abuser such a huge platform to speak. And if successful with litigation, those kinds of funds could facilitate abuse/stalking on a much larger scale.
What if they cooked this up together? They've got everyone's attention don't they!
Piers will have made millions, so why should she not get any of it? so many people making money off her by exploiting her
I watched Reindeer and it was disgusting. I did not enjoy it
It was awful.
I liked parts, but there were some very dark stuff which made it disgusting.
Life can get disgusting! What are you gonna hide in a closet somewhere weakling?!? Wow!
Yes I stopped after the second episode , his character annoyed me because he had no backbone, is not a man.
Okay another untruth Piers Morgan did not find her she went looking for Piers Morgan and agreed to be on his show to tell her side of the story Play come on girl 3 lies already
Thank you!🙌
She can sue as much as she likes, but she has no case.
He could countersue for damages.
She does. In the UK it’s classed as defamation which is illegal.
@@blondie4defamation even tho they didn’t directly name her and she is putting her face on Piers Morgan for the world to see? That doesn’t sound like a case to me. Maybe if Netflix would’ve directly named her but naw!
At the end of every episode there is writing stating there have been dramatisations or something to that effect. Plus Richard Gadd has stated in many interviews that she didn’t go to prison
Exactly….Piers did a bad job… he didn’t do his research… didn’t watch Gadd’s interview….he wanted clicks by gaslighting
@@anitathomas6777 agreed
The thing that is strange to me, is the clearly mentally unwell lady is being crucified (through her own doing largely) . While the character was closely resembling and sounding to her. I think the truth is in a grey area here -based on legal evidence, her illness causing a denial of the behaviour-which could be symptomatic, rather than calculated necessarily.
However, what’s strange is the man who groomed and SAd the protagonist; has been given far more privacy -yet committed an arguably more serious crime. He also as far as we know, wasn’t unwell and as vulnerable himself. Infact the opposite, he had the power imbalance . In a way, leading her on a bit and admitting a codependence-causing her the same rejection he also felt. Maybe that’s why he also feels sorry for her. But inadvertently , or not that was a weapon he knew how to hurt her with. Doing the show too. Don’t you usually go nocontact? Esp if they were “jailed”. Not world wide. Both are damaged people and it’s a bit icky to see in a way. Like folk u know Facebook fighting dirty laundry-or something.
Netflix stated all the time “this Is a true story”. This is obviously untrue. Therefore, how can you judge whether this is fact or fiction? I thought it was ridiculous.
the end of each episode it says it was fiction
Marcia, love seeing you on Megyn’s show. You glow. Thank you for all of your courageous works you truly are a role model for women.
I'm interested in knowing what parts of this series are untrue or have been greatly exaggerated. It's been reported she was never incarcerated. It was an amazing series.
I’m glad you did this
-sent from my iphoen
It wasn’t made clear up front. They literally marketed it as true story at the beginning. If you’re going to talk about it, get you facts right. So many inaccuracies here.
Megyn should invite legal experts on her show more often.
She kind of does.
Sarcasm, I guess
What are you talking about? They're on all of the time.
She does several times a week! 😂 Where have you been?
She did it, and as far as her coming after Piers Morgan, she agreed to that interview
I dont believe his version of events. I personally believe about 10 % of this series is true. He is an ACTOR. I feel bad for the ppl that are being falsely accused so he can make money.
So her stalking him ruined his life but a guy supposedly drugging and raping him is ok? I mean he should be the one getting arrested?? It just doesn't make sense.
Hummmmm.....so what is half the damn world stalking Princess Katherine called??? I have not watched this, do not plan to watch this, as Netflix appears to have a problem with the TRUTH. I hope this woman sues the shit out of everyone defaming her if in fact she did not do all of this
I am baffled at how people don’t see through that the actor embellish the story perhaps as to make this Netflix movie a hit and profitable, hence not disclosing name - without expecting the real person as a stalker will be found! Case closed.
It is the absolute dumbest show. People love trash TV. Both characters in the show are nut jobs.
Yes, it's so funny to me that Megan enjoyed it much.
Absolutely
Yes friend of mine had a stalker, called police, they were great, they contacted the stalker who stopped after police contact, end of.
Yep over hyped rubbish.
I watched “Baby Reindeer", it was really good.
Yeah shes gonna sur because the story is 100% accurate, when its a fictionalised version. They changed the story to protect her ID yet she went nuts and decided to go straight to the media for millions of views. She cant even decide what her own story is she is trying to sell to the public. Also in order to sue for defamation you need to have a good reputation. The show wasn't even her first brush with the law for stalking.
She reminds me of the character from Misery only she is real. Scary and sad at the same time.
She does have a claim because she didn’t send 41,000 emails. They haven’t been able to prove that and she never went to prison and they said that the film was based on complete fact. That’s what they said at the beginning of the film so they screwed up bytalking about someone who was able to be found and this has caused defamation other attorneys have said so whether people like it or not
Well now I'm interested in seeing this show
Who would waste their time watching this?? It’s just more unhealthy, and sad mental behavior! Instead try reading or watching something uplifting ✝️🙏
A lot of people watch it......There are trying to psycho-analyse the woman as to why she would do this ......Someone else came forward and said this woman also stalked her.......If this is the case then I think Piers took advantage of a woman who needs mental help.
Because some people like watching well written art.
We don't all want to spend time reading the Bible 😂
At 7:38. Actually Megyn she can sue in the UK. They have rather strict slander and libel laws. If Fiona can demonstrate loss of reputation the damages can be rather high. The producers of the series billed it as based on true events. And she has said Piers Morgan may be sued as well for the way he handled the interview. Plus as a lawyer, Fiona has access to a lot of legal resources, including civil lawyers.
Netflix did have subtitles in the episodes that state things have been dramatized for the show. I saw it with my own eyes. Even though they said “true story” they do mention how some things have been changed.
I’m sick to death of people repeating this misinformation when simply watching an episode and looking for the words that literally pop up on the screen would discount this argument. They’re covered for liable. Even Piers wouldn’t listen when one of his guests kept saying it’s literally written in the episodes.
There could be some case along the lines of harm caused to her based on people harassing her because of the show or other possibilities but as far as the “true story” argument goes, Netflix are covered.
They never named her though. She’s a nobody who wants the spotlight and money IMO
Crazy, crazy, crazy.
Creepy as hell. Netflix is crazy
She has no claim. The man is lost on this panel. Netflix covered their butt. US law is not UK law. The disclaimer is enough. Fiona has the onus of proving it's about her, and Gadd and Netflix won't say it is....we can speculate all we want, but SHE came out and said it's her, nobody else.
People literally hounded her and outed her.
It's obviously about her
Where, when did Gadd admit that some of it was embellished?
Netflix should stick to "real" dating reality shws🙄
Clark's mistakes allowed OJ to walk.
That’s right the attorney is correct. It’s called the duty of care and Netflix did not implement that. The attorneys are right.
Whether you like the lady or not, these are the legalities it doesn’t matter if she’s nuts, she could still win
There was another character in the series who was "outed" and it was shown that the person, in fact, was not who the internet "sleuths" said it was. That throws doubt that this woman was who it is claimed she is.
Except for the baby reindeer bit. 😅
And her hang my curtains Tweets that are still, to this day, up on her account.
I believe Fiona. You just have to do the math to see that the "author" is either an out and out liar or a gross exaggerator. Doesn't add up in any way.
Stalkers are liars tho so why would u believe anything this lady say?
@@seeglines Well, there’s already a vid on YT with Netflix sitting and addressing parliament, answering questions and they are saying she IS a convicted stalker- which means she’s a liar! Ijs I’m sure they took certain liberties but idt they exaggerated her conviction or the amount of emails she sent the man. All that can be proven.
Wondering where Susan Boyle got to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe she stalked him but he’s the one with the psychopath eyes.
It looks like she can prove that Netflix lied about major things. She seems to have mental problems and may have done some troubling things. If they lied about her going to prison, that is a major problem.
Amen. Well said Kelly
Love this
2:51 so where is the tape Kelly speaks of? This is the first I’ve heard it exists!
How is it risky. Richard Gadd and Netflix have made a Monza! As long as she doesn't stalk him again it's happy days for him.
reminds me of the movie about a author that had a accident MISERY MR. MAN!!!!! James Caan Kathy bates
"Nut Case" = my God Megyn! I hate all of this bullying of this poor, neurodiverse woman. None of this would have happened if Netflix had done their job in NOT forcing this 'outing' in the first place. I just pray she doesn't commit suicide over the pressure. She seems to have absolutely no protections. This must be an absolute nightmare for her. I wish people would just show compassion.
The fact that no-one in comparison is harping on about the identity of the successfully protected male sexual abuser >>> AND WHY "miss episode 4" graphically depicting sexual abuse which took place in LONDON, not as Megyn said in Scotland - then JUST FOCUS ON BULLYING HER???? RAPE IS FAR WORSE FFS.
I actually think I won't watch Megan Kelly again after this. ALL THESE CLICKBAIT PRESENTERS WILL HAVE BLOOD ON THIER HANDS if anything happens to this Lady.
Remember when Netflix put out the Cleopatra "documentary"? 😂
Stalking is creepy. Is your panelist, Marsha Clark, the Clark from the OJ Simpson case? If so, with all respect, I'd say she has matured nicely.She's nicer looking now than she was then. Just an observation. 😂❤
@Michscott123 - who knows? For some people it might be.
Megyn❤
Knowing Netflix's attitude to historical true stories, I'd say it's not a good look for them.
Maybe she was not sentenced to jail but to a secure unit. If that was the case there would be no public record of her incarceration
It’s not a documentary series … every episode did mention that it was dramatized for entertainment purposes… if the roles were reversed… no one would even question the credibility of the story… why the double standards?
Why not ask for money for your interview?
She got £250 the usual fee
Great show.
Why did you say that name?
Why does megan change her voice whenever she does an advert. Its her 'look at me caring ' voice 😂
Has she received any money for this story?
Minimal. And so what? Gadd has made millions from lying.
250 pound for the Morgan interview. This is what bothers me, everyone else is making money of it except her.
@@blondie4 I agree I hi k she should make something as well
@@blondie4 I think she should make something as well
Ridiculous
He said she went to prison she either did or didnt
He said in an interview that there was no court case or prison sentence, nor did she ever meet Teri, so she could never have assaulted her.
Well, Fargo, back in the 90's, was also a true story, wasn't it?
Until it was not...
Was waiting for you to comment Meg 😊😊
Episode 4 reminded me of Bill Cosby. It was brilliantly constructed, it really made you feel what it was like to be groomed. Don't skip it, it's important. ❤
I couldn’t watch after episode 4
Ok
Why?
@@TheUSHERKAN it was too dark and I had no desire to keep watching
Dont say hop before you jump Kelly!!!
credit says bits are fictional....
And now it’s been revealed that Fiona has send hundreds of abusive emails to the leader of The Labour Party that could be the next Prime Minister. The messages are written in the same structure as the messages from the show.
Her eye contact is sus but for the most part I believe her.
Did the lady guest just say “it’s surprising to me too, Martha” to Megyn 😂
I believe she said "Mark", the other attorney.
@@anonymouse6703 yes it was Mark that she said
Get "your facts" right megyn... they "found" her through TWEETS... INTERESTING how he made it SO EASY to root her out... NOT SO MUCH the GR OOM ER 🇺🇸
If she was the one who tweeted it then he had nothing to do with that