I'm an INTJ-ud and this hit really hard. It's why I kept typing myself as affiliative types. ISFJ superego consumed me throughout all of high school. My ESTP ex pushed me there in senior year and I had a psychotic break. That was when I got diagnosed with "bpd". And then I got even more disabled with the label Thank you for your videos. It's why I dont even consider myself bpd anymore. ❤❤❤
This absolutely broke me. I can't stop crying lol Is this why I make sure that with everyone I meet, I make them so fucking feel accepted and seen? It's literally my goddamn mission in this world to do this. No wonder Naruto broke me. He embodied the acceptance I so badly needed. Thank you, Chase.
My hubby is one of those INTJ’s whom actually really cares about social acceptance and what other people think about him. He’s also often paranoid about being seen as weird by others.
Fantastic video and it helped me understand myself in the same way as when I stumbled on you a couple years ago. I have been in deep thought reflecting on my own life after watching this and I'm gonna share how I believe this functions for me (mostly because I want to 😂) From my experience the shift between UD UF and UD SF is due to how you see your path forward. If you are working towards something and can believe you can actually achieve it, from my experience that is when I have been UD SF. Once my plans don't pan out I shift back to UD UF (and isolate myself) both out of shame of others finding out I failed and I feel I can put out the best effort/productive work when alone. Also, in that time until I think of something worth pursuing, it's very easy to start latching on to others' paths and making it easier for them in the meantime, especially people I care about. As bad as UD UF sounds from this video I think in short bursts between Ni crusades works for me, especially since I have a stable structure around me at the moment. If I wrote this like I can control it, I apologize and that is not what I was trying to convey. I just wanted to add a little personal anecdote to this amazing video Chase put out.
I think you're right on the money. The only thing is, I get very selfish during. UD/UF phases. I get to where I don't take care of myself consistently and if people ask anything of me I'm really off-putting.
Once I knew about ISFJ superego I entertained the possibility that it could be used for survival. I always typed as INFJ but couldn't actually relate that much to the archetype as I do with the INTJ. This video has been enlighting. Fortunately I have received very good support from friends, and even though healing has been tough I got to finally get a little hope the last couple of years. Thank you very much, I'm appreciating deeply your insightful perspective :)
I'm not a UD/UF INTJ, but I was a UD/UF INFJ for 3 years (2019-2022). Those were the darkest years of my life. I knew I was having a very hard time, but I don't think I knew I had an actual depression. When you're in it, it's just all there is. You forget what it feels like to not be depressed. Late last year my depression lifted, I became UD/SF and I'm still having a hard time believing that this new state of not waking up sad anymore is real. My life isn't perfect, but every day I am grateful. ANYWAY, to my actual point: Chase says that you can't get out of UD/UF yourself. Someone has to help or influence you. I just want to add that this influence might look different from what you think. In my case, some people around me continuously made me feel like my life and dreams were either worth less than theirs or just plain wrong. And my Ti child was constantly being bullied. No one did any of this on purpose, and they weren't bad people at all, but it happened. In the end, I became so angry that I exploded and tore down those relationships. Once the pressure/disablement was gone, guess what! I became happy. It feels like I TNT'ed down the wall between UF and SF overnight. So I would say that if you can't find enablement, removing the disablement works a good part of the way. Don't be afraid to test it out. Take a break from your straining relationships if you're not fully ready to let go. Just see how you feel. Side note: As an INFJ I judged myself a lot for leaving disablement. I am always wanting to grow and learn and you grow either less or not at all when you're just enabled. But I've realised that I need less growth and more acceptance. And I think this goes for almost any person with anxious attachment style. Thank you, Chase, for saying that UD/UF needs enablement. It makes me feel less bad for seeking it out.
@@tarot_with_Chiraaksha Two ways mainly: I was just (almost instantly) happier and had more energy. It was very noticeable and it kept on going. I still had bad days, but I didn't feel like I had a bad life. A bad day would always end, not continue on forever like before. Also, I became very chaste. I became very focused on my own happiness and didn't date anyone. I even stopped wearing makeup or jewelry for about 4 months. I simplified my life a lot and felt thankful for the peace and what I had. I didn't let myself go physically, in fact I went to the gym a few times and started eating properly. But I did it for my health and because I found happiness in it. Not to be attractive. I'm still largely in chaste as we speak, but moving towards more balance the more I heal.
Same situation for me, it lasted 4 years. I couldn't let go of someone, I still can't, still thinking about her but things have gotten better. I still want her but things can't change too soon. I am happy you managed to get past it and know that there is someone else who gone through the same stuff and feels you 100%.
Damn this was powerful. No wonder I related with u so much CSJ, when I first started watching this channel and assumed that I am a si user. The problem that I face is… even if I muster up the courage to make friends with ppl who can enable me, I end up believing that I don’t deserve them. That I don’t deserve their empathy. In a way, I fear I might become an all consuming monster.
This was a great video. One of the few times you recommend INTJs use their Fi child. The advice here was very useful. I knew an INTJ classmate who would only try to master skills that other people want. He would justify it by saying that's how the economic system works, but I think he was in denial. Thankfully he changed and found his way. -INTJ UD|SF
This discussion makes me think of the need to have job skills to secure employment, and how that need consumes one's entire life because of its intimate tie to money, survival, and well-being. I see that for what it is but have to break free. I have enjoyed chess and should be around people who are into that. As well, at my house there were ads dropped off for home contractor services (HVAC, pools, windows, etc.) and one of them was for woodworkers. I still remember this stunning wooden dining room Baroque-style ceiling inlay from the photo - like something from a fantasy novel. Obviously, that is a luxury service, but it stayed with me - the impressionistic beauty of making and then seeing that exist in the world... not because it has to, but because it feels right to me. Thank you, CS.
Thank you it is really helpful. I am also ud uf or maybe ud sf intj. I didn t developed like a typical intj. During a long periode I tried to act like an isfj like you said.
I’m a UD/SF INTJ and i’m currently really good friends with a UD/UF INTP. he’s a cool dude and i like to share my shit with him, he’s very critical of me and i enjoy how honest he is. he’s been kind of subtly dictating the skills that i want to develop, but i find that these skills are ones i’m genuinely interested in. I’m just wandering if it’s a problem for my focuses to be influenced if i think they’re positive?
I'm an infj and i get attached to abuser, and trauma bonding or Stockholm syndrome is a thing What does it say about my focus? And I'm very nihilistic with no hope
This is me :( honestly I relate so much to the unabomber and I feel I would have ended up like him (I don't think i would kill though) if my ex didn't pursue me and made me feel loved and accepted no matter what. I don't think I am healed fully though. I still am attached to my ex even though he is married and I can't form new relationships with anyone else. It is just devastating tbh and I can't get out of it
And here I thought that being a female INTJ wasn’t trouble enough; now learning that the things that had been chocking me throughout childhood and haunting me to this day is likely that UD UF thing. There’s still so much work to be done it’s disheartening. Whatever happens next for me; Thank you for the knowledge; and thank you for making me/us feel seen.
I am unfamiliar with ud uf and other acronyms, I really want to go step by step, i don't know where to start so i can follow along with you and comprehend all of your input, if only you could make shorter videos where you can explain the basics because I believe there is no better than you in this matter on RUclips
What is the smartest and/or most productive Octagram variant of an INTP? Orsted from the anime, lightnovel, and Manga “Mushoku Tensei” is a good example of an INTJ UD|UF in fiction.
Most productive would *likely* be the UD|UF INTP because of the emphasis on Te Nemesis. Higher Te usage, generally speaking, is associated with higher levels of productivity. Smartest isn’t as straightforward, but an SD|SF INTP would doubly emphasize Ti usage. People tend to associate higher Ti usage with higher intelligence; however, Ti isn’t necessarily the “smart cognitive function.” Ti tends to know, though, whereas Te tends to trust what other people know, based on their ethos (credibility ratings). Perhaps an SD|UF would be the most intellectually well-rounded because of the doubly emphasized Ti, as well as concerted efforts toward using Te. UD|SF seems like an OP Octagram variant, IMO.
@@HoytoHoyto yeah, the SD|SF INTP reminds me of “Senku” from “Dr.Stone,” since he was an INTP who was enabled via access to scientific tools and knowledge because his dad enabled him greatly. I kinda envy him as an INTP. That’s why I watch the show.
@@dasein9980 I don’t see where I stated anything contrary to what you’ve just stated, in my reply to the OP…? In any case, “most successful” was neither asked by the OP nor mentioned in any of the subsequent replies, so I question the relevance, as well as the metrics by which you’re measuring “success,” as it’s a very nebulous term. Additionally, theoretically speaking, it’s equally achievable by both UD|SF and SD|UF Octagram variants, but, again, all of these speculations, ultimately, are contingent upon whether “success” is being defined by a subconscious (pursuit of happiness via self-actualization)- or unconscious (pursuit of self-development via despair)-oriented definition. I don’t disagree with you, I guess…
@Kaji Aka I wouldn't take what Dasien aka Thomas begen a man in his mid 30s who works as a waiter in Florida here seriously. I will criticize you for things you never even said. Ive known him for 2 years.He's a SD|UF INFP. His SD nurture creates credulity which makes him willing to believe anything as true (even making himself believe he's a UD|UF INTJ). Mixed with his sloth that comes from UF, he thinks he can obtain power by doing nothing and standing still all while criticizing those who are actually trying to achieve/learn/contribute.
Still waiting for the video on how to change your type, and if not then I’m waiting for the video on how to deal with the existential crisis of being a shitty type, thx.
Had half of this problems, but I solved all with rebellion against all who made me suffer and telling they were being such unfair assholes. I like acceptance, but I'd prefer *satisfaction* and inner peace, you'll always be rejected in some manner or way by people, so you will be accepted naturally by those who really care 'bout you. Quality over quantity. SD/UF INTJ 8w7
@@tarot_with_Chiraaksha I've always had a very Ti approach to all things: understanding and checking all ideas is a good objectivity exercise. INTJ core desire is respectability but I couldn't care less if I'm satisfied (ENTP core desire). I have lots of sporty and rebellious Se too. Regards.
This is what helped me. Hope it helps others. 1. Recognise that you have a need for attention. A basic human cognitive need which is perfectly fine and acceptable 2. learn and practise Self compassion, you've spent enough empathy on others time to use some on yourself. You deserve it cuz I say so and no amount of self induced emotional pain will help you solve the problem of self rejection 3. Learn and practise Self acceptance, you're not as horrible as you might think you are. Try to make a deal with Fi critic to justify your self worth 4. Recognise the choices that you are making in every sector of your life, every day that doesn't allow the development of Se inferior. Some of these choices are passive, meaning not choosing to do something is still making a choice 5. Restructure your life slowly to allow your self to face your fear of failure by choosing to do so. One thing that helped me face my fear was that I got tired and bored of being a pussy. Jordan Peterson has a video on how to face your fear and Viktor Frankl in his book mans search for meaning explains a way to use humour to face your fear. 6. Start taking better care of your body. Very important, you won't be able to aspire properly if you don't take good care of your body. 7. Eventually find people that will help with Se inferior development. I think SJs are best for this. NPs are a bit too touchy about their comfort but SJs can tolerate some failure/discomfort, for a longer time than NPs which gives you enough space to fail and learn 8. Find a safe place (preferably alone or with some dutiful SJ) that serves as an outlet for Se. Like a sport of some sort. Let out that rage, let it be uncontrolled and let yourself fail/make others uncomfortable. Get the fuck out of that stupid head and into the moment. 9. Start learning from your failure, learn to recognise when it's time to slow down, go out of your way to find and consume Te data and spend time improving Ti child. Do not allow yourself to be entitled to get Te from others, you must learn to seek it out yourself at every opportunity. Te critics that are older than you who are self aware of their own hypocrisy are the best people to learn to develop Ti child from. You can also live in the moment and look at other peoples facial reactions and body language to give yourself Te information that gives you data in real time about your current performance. 10. Try to help people by being useful to them. At the start let them dictate what the outcome is. As your Ti child develops you'll automatically realise that the outcome the other person is choosing may not be what's best for them. So do lots of research and decide the outcome to help the other person yourself. Verify your facts thoroughly. 11. Eventually you will be outcome focused in terms of performing some task and you will lead with Ti child. When you do become UD | SF, you'll start idolising other people. Try to verify your Fi critic believes with Ti child. Try to reach a point where Ti child and Fi critic are verifying each other. Long as read. Wonder if YT will shadow ban this comment.
@@dasein9980 I have moved to 7 cities (and periods back and forth from my home city, 8th city) in 2 countries. If anything, I feel like I can’t continue moving around
@@vikascc4824 lovely comment. What can hinder Se inferior from growing? I feel like I have a very developed Ti, but going through last year of university studies and a new romantic relationship, I feel overwhelmed, underachieving and worthless (even if I have good grades). I’m currently on sick leave due to a second episode of burnout, and I feel like I don’t know how to climb out of it. It just feel like no matter how much I plan, work/study or preform, nothing is ever good enough.
In my opinion, that could be a very tough father-daughter relationship. But with enough work to understand each other, from both parties, they definitely can.
I have had thoughts that I am INTP as well, but I think it will really come down to your use of NI and Si (or lack of). What really settled it for me was i realized that i am definitely not a SI user. Like, my memory is shit. Se inferior for sure. You could also get typed. He is having a sale right now
I'd take a look at the type grid as a whole and see where it makes more and less sense for each type and checking the videos on likely types should help paint more of a picture.
Hi, UD | SF INFJ here. Verified myself many times. I had the same issue myself a few years ago. I got INTP cuz I chose control and systematic not because I was these things but because I wanted to be these things. So, what I did to type myself properly is to wrack my mind for concrete memories atleast 2 to check each of the temperaments and interaction. Because I have Si demon, I tended to remember bad memories a lot better so I analysed those bad memories for the temperaments and interaction styles and narrowed it down that way. I think Chase recommends that you ask your close friends and family to help you with the typing. I personally didn't do that, and if you do chose to do it that way keep in mind that people might project their golden pair or their hypocrisy from their own shadow. So make sure to verify what they are saying with concrete verifiable proof. You'll have to play the silent devil's advocate because if the person is trying to appreciate you and you play devil's advocate out loud they might get a little confused or irritated. I used both inductive and deductive reasoning to narrow down my type and kept getting the same answer no matter what I did and how I did it.
What do I do if I have become numb to it? It’s almost like I need permission to treat myself well. I could go sf but I feel like it has to b for the sake of some1 else as well 😅
You have to accept yourself. Whether you accept yourself or not is only between you and you, NOBODY else. Just accept yourself just as you’re today. And do same thing the next day, till you feel this acceptance.
I wonder if this can apply to infjs? My dad (intj) is a fantastic mechanic (cars or operating machines.) That is his main skill he has mastered.) Great video Chase!
I really enjoy your content but have to say your 4 question test is utter garbage and not much better than the 16 personalities site. Really hope you improve it because as it stands many people are going to mistype if they rely on it.
@@CSJoseph It's principle flaw lays in attempting to garner an accurate result based off an extremely small sample size, in this case each question accounts for 25% of the total test. Should personalities be static and unchanging this would still be an issue, though slightly less. Personalities are not static though, and in time many people begin to integrate their subconscious, as well as elements of their unconscious. They adapt to the world as well. As an INTJ that has been forced by life to adapt their strategies I can at times be very forceful as a consequence. Questions like, to paraphrase, how I prefer my information from another to arrive to me is meaningless. I would prefer not to interact with anyone, barring that the choice between going to the source of information or waiting for it to come is effectively the same. In either case I have to rely on another, which is not easy to do as trusting others is difficult and their standards rarely match my own. There are many issues with tests like the "16 personalities" one (Scale measurement, improper questions, poor wording, too much room for interpretation, limited by mbti's inferiority as a typing system, etc etc) but one area that it is well made is the checks and measures a large question sample provides. It's failure, stated issues aside , lays in failing to check for mistypes or grip states (and long-term possessions). I am very much an INTJ, in fact I am literally a Hermit/Alchemist who is obsessed with solving the route to my desired outcome, wholeness. I have spent more time in a Ni-Fi loop than I could even begin to estimate, creating worlds for my Hero(ine) so that I may interpret the meaning behind the story (as there always is something I am being told). I am almost totally blind to others feelings, though when I do see them I am able to understand them with ease (btw I really appreciate you highlighting that INTJ's are "Sympaths" rather than "Empaths") and my past memories have more than once put me in the grip of my so-called Demon. When relaxed enough around others I am much the ESFP (a more raw version than a native, but I have gotten to know this part of me well), and with my studies of typing systems I have also noticed "You" in me a great deal, as that side often comes out when stressed and/or in social settings I do not want to be in or have too many "missing" pieces of information to effectively Ni-taskmaster my way thru them. I am a newer viewer of your content, many hours invested but still only a fraction into the overall pool, but I am in no way new to "typology" and found your content as I was researching the Ni patterns I found which I termed "Jacob Ladders" (Jacob essentially means Circle in Hebrew and is my first name). Finding 4 related types could be all be oriented into a single circle-chain led me to begin searching for someone in typology who was at least speaking about it. Search engines lead me to a reddit post, which lead me to your channel and the 4 Temples. It is a strange thing watching you, as it does stir the shadow in me. This brings out my natural distrust of others strongly but has also shown multiple times already that my shadow does indeed have much to teach me, as long as I am willing to hear them out and ponder their words. Being raised by an ENTJ, it does not overly surprise me when I type as one (even though I live my life very different than one), but when I type as an ISFP then I know something is very very wrong with the test I took. I greatly enjoy simplifying things down to a very small selection, but in this case it is too far gone. You need to let your Ne free and expand on your test. From what I have seen you are indeed an expert in your field, a talented one at that, but that also comes with a responsibility to the overall community. A person being mistyped, especially those personalities prone to "imposter syndrome" can have very big ramifications; I mean, if we want to speak about "abuse" of the child function what greater than to deny its very essence and familial structure? You have every right to earn a dollar off all your hard work, put you also have a duty to ensure that what you are using to draw clients in is accurate and provides them with proper results. Just to close this wall let me again say I find great value in your content, and will be watching many hours more of it, but I think your test is sub-standard and needs considerable improvement to be effective and accurate.
Just one final note, I AM aware ISFP's mistype as INTJ's (and fairly often), but with knowledge of the cognitive processes and a great deal of re-checking myself I know with certainty that I have my type correct. I am long past relying on descriptions of the functions and am able to easily "see" them in me. My Ni is God-tier and my Te is extremely strong. Fi and Se don't even compare in power level for me.
Whoever submitted this question thank you
Agreed 💯. Whoever asked this question is a legend. Bring more INTJ content.
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Great question
Your welcome
@@aplethoraofme2056 thank u so much
For all the INTJ’s UD|UF I’d hug you and tell you there’s a silver lining and a light at the end of the tunnel. You can do this, you got this baby!
I'm an INTJ-ud and this hit really hard. It's why I kept typing myself as affiliative types. ISFJ superego consumed me throughout all of high school. My ESTP ex pushed me there in senior year and I had a psychotic break. That was when I got diagnosed with "bpd". And then I got even more disabled with the label
Thank you for your videos. It's why I dont even consider myself bpd anymore. ❤❤❤
This absolutely broke me. I can't stop crying lol Is this why I make sure that with everyone I meet, I make them so fucking feel accepted and seen? It's literally my goddamn mission in this world to do this. No wonder Naruto broke me. He embodied the acceptance I so badly needed. Thank you, Chase.
*hugs*
My hubby is one of those INTJ’s whom actually really cares about social acceptance and what other people think about him. He’s also often paranoid about being seen as weird by others.
that’s more Te
Those who don't end up lone wolf terrorists. Society does not want INTJs because the power is already divided among those who inherit it
@@qasimimtiaz9668 True, and INTJ’s are high on Te.
@@sylviaowega3839 social acceptance nothing to do with being seen as weird. is more just being accepted and valued by others.
@@qasimimtiaz9668 That is absolutely correct, but this is not how many of the others view it.
Fantastic video and it helped me understand myself in the same way as when I stumbled on you a couple years ago. I have been in deep thought reflecting on my own life after watching this and I'm gonna share how I believe this functions for me (mostly because I want to 😂)
From my experience the shift between UD UF and UD SF is due to how you see your path forward. If you are working towards something and can believe you can actually achieve it, from my experience that is when I have been UD SF. Once my plans don't pan out I shift back to UD UF (and isolate myself) both out of shame of others finding out I failed and I feel I can put out the best effort/productive work when alone. Also, in that time until I think of something worth pursuing, it's very easy to start latching on to others' paths and making it easier for them in the meantime, especially people I care about. As bad as UD UF sounds from this video I think in short bursts between Ni crusades works for me, especially since I have a stable structure around me at the moment. If I wrote this like I can control it, I apologize and that is not what I was trying to convey. I just wanted to add a little personal anecdote to this amazing video Chase put out.
I think you're right on the money. The only thing is, I get very selfish during. UD/UF phases. I get to where I don't take care of myself consistently and if people ask anything of me I'm really off-putting.
Once I knew about ISFJ superego I entertained the possibility that it could be used for survival. I always typed as INFJ but couldn't actually relate that much to the archetype as I do with the INTJ. This video has been enlighting.
Fortunately I have received very good support from friends, and even though healing has been tough I got to finally get a little hope the last couple of years.
Thank you very much, I'm appreciating deeply your insightful perspective :)
I'm not a UD/UF INTJ, but I was a UD/UF INFJ for 3 years (2019-2022). Those were the darkest years of my life. I knew I was having a very hard time, but I don't think I knew I had an actual depression. When you're in it, it's just all there is. You forget what it feels like to not be depressed. Late last year my depression lifted, I became UD/SF and I'm still having a hard time believing that this new state of not waking up sad anymore is real. My life isn't perfect, but every day I am grateful. ANYWAY, to my actual point: Chase says that you can't get out of UD/UF yourself. Someone has to help or influence you. I just want to add that this influence might look different from what you think. In my case, some people around me continuously made me feel like my life and dreams were either worth less than theirs or just plain wrong. And my Ti child was constantly being bullied. No one did any of this on purpose, and they weren't bad people at all, but it happened. In the end, I became so angry that I exploded and tore down those relationships. Once the pressure/disablement was gone, guess what! I became happy. It feels like I TNT'ed down the wall between UF and SF overnight. So I would say that if you can't find enablement, removing the disablement works a good part of the way. Don't be afraid to test it out. Take a break from your straining relationships if you're not fully ready to let go. Just see how you feel. Side note: As an INFJ I judged myself a lot for leaving disablement. I am always wanting to grow and learn and you grow either less or not at all when you're just enabled. But I've realised that I need less growth and more acceptance. And I think this goes for almost any person with anxious attachment style. Thank you, Chase, for saying that UD/UF needs enablement. It makes me feel less bad for seeking it out.
@@tarot_with_Chiraaksha Two ways mainly: I was just (almost instantly) happier and had more energy. It was very noticeable and it kept on going. I still had bad days, but I didn't feel like I had a bad life. A bad day would always end, not continue on forever like before. Also, I became very chaste. I became very focused on my own happiness and didn't date anyone. I even stopped wearing makeup or jewelry for about 4 months. I simplified my life a lot and felt thankful for the peace and what I had. I didn't let myself go physically, in fact I went to the gym a few times and started eating properly. But I did it for my health and because I found happiness in it. Not to be attractive. I'm still largely in chaste as we speak, but moving towards more balance the more I heal.
Oh, I also noticed that I was more pragmatic :)
You can't change from infj to intj. Maybe you had your ud uf more accentuated (Fe more accentuated)
Same situation for me, it lasted 4 years. I couldn't let go of someone, I still can't, still thinking about her but things have gotten better. I still want her but things can't change too soon. I am happy you managed to get past it and know that there is someone else who gone through the same stuff and feels you 100%.
Damn this was powerful. No wonder I related with u so much CSJ, when I first started watching this channel and assumed that I am a si user.
The problem that I face is… even if I muster up the courage to make friends with ppl who can enable me, I end up believing that I don’t deserve them. That I don’t deserve their empathy. In a way, I fear I might become an all consuming monster.
This was a great video. One of the few times you recommend INTJs use their Fi child. The advice here was very useful.
I knew an INTJ classmate who would only try to master skills that other people want. He would justify it by saying that's how the economic system works, but I think he was in denial. Thankfully he changed and found his way.
-INTJ UD|SF
This discussion makes me think of the need to have job skills to secure employment, and how that need consumes one's entire life because of its intimate tie to money, survival, and well-being. I see that for what it is but have to break free.
I have enjoyed chess and should be around people who are into that. As well, at my house there were ads dropped off for home contractor services (HVAC, pools, windows, etc.) and one of them was for woodworkers. I still remember this stunning wooden dining room Baroque-style ceiling inlay from the photo - like something from a fantasy novel. Obviously, that is a luxury service, but it stayed with me - the impressionistic beauty of making and then seeing that exist in the world... not because it has to, but because it feels right to me. Thank you, CS.
"They have to be the source of acceptance." Your are a genious Mr.
Joseph. Thank you🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷
Yeah i found an esfj some months ago, new friend, its getting a bit better
I want to know what CSJ types fictional characters like in Naruto. Where can I get this info?
Thank you it is really helpful.
I am also ud uf or maybe ud sf intj.
I didn t developed like a typical intj. During a long periode I tried to act like an isfj like you said.
Thank you for this, I thought I was crazy from wanting to develop a skill I actually appreciated.
Glad I could help you laser in on your goals
I would definitely say I am an INTJ UD/UF. I was abandoned by everyone in my life, and it sucked.
I’m a UD/SF INTJ and i’m currently really good friends with a UD/UF INTP. he’s a cool dude and i like to share my shit with him, he’s very critical of me and i enjoy how honest he is. he’s been kind of subtly dictating the skills that i want to develop, but i find that these skills are ones i’m genuinely interested in. I’m just wandering if it’s a problem for my focuses to be influenced if i think they’re positive?
Great question. Im also UD|SF INTJ and would like to know this.
I'm an infj and i get attached to abuser, and trauma bonding or Stockholm syndrome is a thing
What does it say about my focus?
And I'm very nihilistic with no hope
This info is wonderful!
This video was very motivational. Thanks.
I think Harley Quinn is an INTJ and the joker is an ENTP. UDUFs
Yes
This is me :( honestly I relate so much to the unabomber and I feel I would have ended up like him (I don't think i would kill though) if my ex didn't pursue me and made me feel loved and accepted no matter what. I don't think I am healed fully though. I still am attached to my ex even though he is married and I can't form new relationships with anyone else. It is just devastating tbh and I can't get out of it
People don't exist to "heal" each other. CSJ himself used to work in gun manufacturing. That's the healing. Don't be naive
Wesley from Angel turns UD/UF after ... things happen to him. 🤔😧 Great show and perfect example of this concept. 👍
What a great example! That man went through it. I still think about him and poor Fred 😭
And here I thought that being a female INTJ wasn’t trouble enough; now learning that the things that had been chocking me throughout childhood and haunting me to this day is likely that UD UF thing. There’s still so much work to be done it’s disheartening.
Whatever happens next for me; Thank you for the knowledge; and thank you for making me/us feel seen.
One step at a time is all it takes :)
2:40 "what guy doesn't like receiving sexy photos" me. I'll instantly block a woman if she sends me sexy photos.
I am unfamiliar with ud uf and other acronyms, I really want to go step by step, i don't know where to start so i can follow along with you and comprehend all of your input, if only you could make shorter videos where you can explain the basics because I believe there is no better than you in this matter on RUclips
What is the smartest and/or most productive Octagram variant of an INTP?
Orsted from the anime, lightnovel, and Manga “Mushoku Tensei” is a good example of an INTJ UD|UF in fiction.
Goku too
Most productive would *likely* be the UD|UF INTP because of the emphasis on Te Nemesis. Higher Te usage, generally speaking, is associated with higher levels of productivity.
Smartest isn’t as straightforward, but an SD|SF INTP would doubly emphasize Ti usage. People tend to associate higher Ti usage with higher intelligence; however, Ti isn’t necessarily the “smart cognitive function.” Ti tends to know, though, whereas Te tends to trust what other people know, based on their ethos (credibility ratings). Perhaps an SD|UF would be the most intellectually well-rounded because of the doubly emphasized Ti, as well as concerted efforts toward using Te. UD|SF seems like an OP Octagram variant, IMO.
@@HoytoHoyto yeah, the SD|SF INTP reminds me of “Senku” from “Dr.Stone,” since he was an INTP who was enabled via access to scientific tools and knowledge because his dad enabled him greatly. I kinda envy him as an INTP. That’s why I watch the show.
@@dasein9980 I don’t see where I stated anything contrary to what you’ve just stated, in my reply to the OP…?
In any case, “most successful” was neither asked by the OP nor mentioned in any of the subsequent replies, so I question the relevance, as well as the metrics by which you’re measuring “success,” as it’s a very nebulous term. Additionally, theoretically speaking, it’s equally achievable by both UD|SF and SD|UF Octagram variants, but, again, all of these speculations, ultimately, are contingent upon whether “success” is being defined by a subconscious (pursuit of happiness via self-actualization)- or unconscious (pursuit of self-development via despair)-oriented definition. I don’t disagree with you, I guess…
@Kaji Aka I wouldn't take what Dasien aka Thomas begen a man in his mid 30s who works as a waiter in Florida here seriously. I will criticize you for things you never even said.
Ive known him for 2 years.He's a SD|UF INFP. His SD nurture creates credulity which makes him willing to believe anything as true (even making himself believe he's a UD|UF INTJ). Mixed with his sloth that comes from UF, he thinks he can obtain power by doing nothing and standing still all while criticizing those who are actually trying to achieve/learn/contribute.
Still waiting for the video on how to change your type, and if not then I’m waiting for the video on how to deal with the existential crisis of being a shitty type, thx.
Thank you! :)
Had half of this problems, but I solved all with rebellion against all who made me suffer and telling they were being such unfair assholes.
I like acceptance, but I'd prefer *satisfaction* and inner peace, you'll always be rejected in some manner or way by people, so you will be accepted naturally by those who really care 'bout you. Quality over quantity.
SD/UF INTJ 8w7
@@tarot_with_Chiraaksha I've always had a very Ti approach to all things: understanding and checking all ideas is a good objectivity exercise. INTJ core desire is respectability but I couldn't care less if I'm satisfied (ENTP core desire).
I have lots of sporty and rebellious Se too.
Regards.
Nice video, thanks.
I think I might be UD/UF INFJ. How can I escape UD/UF?
If you are a journeyman member, he will be releasing the Ocotgram for INFJ soon
This is what helped me. Hope it helps others.
1. Recognise that you have a need for attention. A basic human cognitive need which is perfectly fine and acceptable
2. learn and practise Self compassion, you've spent enough empathy on others time to use some on yourself. You deserve it cuz I say so and no amount of self induced emotional pain will help you solve the problem of self rejection
3. Learn and practise Self acceptance, you're not as horrible as you might think you are. Try to make a deal with Fi critic to justify your self worth
4. Recognise the choices that you are making in every sector of your life, every day that doesn't allow the development of Se inferior. Some of these choices are passive, meaning not choosing to do something is still making a choice
5. Restructure your life slowly to allow your self to face your fear of failure by choosing to do so. One thing that helped me face my fear was that I got tired and bored of being a pussy. Jordan Peterson has a video on how to face your fear and Viktor Frankl in his book mans search for meaning explains a way to use humour to face your fear.
6. Start taking better care of your body. Very important, you won't be able to aspire properly if you don't take good care of your body.
7. Eventually find people that will help with Se inferior development. I think SJs are best for this. NPs are a bit too touchy about their comfort but SJs can tolerate some failure/discomfort, for a longer time than NPs which gives you enough space to fail and learn
8. Find a safe place (preferably alone or with some dutiful SJ) that serves as an outlet for Se. Like a sport of some sort. Let out that rage, let it be uncontrolled and let yourself fail/make others uncomfortable. Get the fuck out of that stupid head and into the moment.
9. Start learning from your failure, learn to recognise when it's time to slow down, go out of your way to find and consume Te data and spend time improving Ti child. Do not allow yourself to be entitled to get Te from others, you must learn to seek it out yourself at every opportunity. Te critics that are older than you who are self aware of their own hypocrisy are the best people to learn to develop Ti child from. You can also live in the moment and look at other peoples facial reactions and body language to give yourself Te information that gives you data in real time about your current performance.
10. Try to help people by being useful to them. At the start let them dictate what the outcome is. As your Ti child develops you'll automatically realise that the outcome the other person is choosing may not be what's best for them. So do lots of research and decide the outcome to help the other person yourself. Verify your facts thoroughly.
11. Eventually you will be outcome focused in terms of performing some task and you will lead with Ti child.
When you do become UD | SF, you'll start idolising other people. Try to verify your Fi critic believes with Ti child. Try to reach a point where Ti child and Fi critic are verifying each other.
Long as read. Wonder if YT will shadow ban this comment.
@@annayudin290 My economic situation is to chaotic for it
@@dasein9980 I have moved to 7 cities (and periods back and forth from my home city, 8th city) in 2 countries. If anything, I feel like I can’t continue moving around
@@vikascc4824 lovely comment.
What can hinder Se inferior from growing? I feel like I have a very developed Ti, but going through last year of university studies and a new romantic relationship, I feel overwhelmed, underachieving and worthless (even if I have good grades). I’m currently on sick leave due to a second episode of burnout, and I feel like I don’t know how to climb out of it. It just feel like no matter how much I plan, work/study or preform, nothing is ever good enough.
Can INTJ be a good father to ENTJ daughter and could she be a good daughter to INTJ father ?
uhh, yes
In my opinion, that could be a very tough father-daughter relationship. But with enough work to understand each other, from both parties, they definitely can.
Thank you for sharing
intj UD|SF video will be fun
I did your free test got infj always thought I was intp thoughts?
I have had thoughts that I am INTP as well, but I think it will really come down to your use of NI and Si (or lack of). What really settled it for me was i realized that i am definitely not a SI user. Like, my memory is shit. Se inferior for sure.
You could also get typed. He is having a sale right now
I'd take a look at the type grid as a whole and see where it makes more and less sense for each type and checking the videos on likely types should help paint more of a picture.
Hi, UD | SF INFJ here. Verified myself many times.
I had the same issue myself a few years ago. I got INTP cuz I chose control and systematic not because I was these things but because I wanted to be these things.
So, what I did to type myself properly is to wrack my mind for concrete memories atleast 2 to check each of the temperaments and interaction.
Because I have Si demon, I tended to remember bad memories a lot better so I analysed those bad memories for the temperaments and interaction styles and narrowed it down that way.
I think Chase recommends that you ask your close friends and family to help you with the typing. I personally didn't do that, and if you do chose to do it that way keep in mind that people might project their golden pair or their hypocrisy from their own shadow. So make sure to verify what they are saying with concrete verifiable proof. You'll have to play the silent devil's advocate because if the person is trying to appreciate you and you play devil's advocate out loud they might get a little confused or irritated.
I used both inductive and deductive reasoning to narrow down my type and kept getting the same answer no matter what I did and how I did it.
@@dasein9980 informing us of your Si experiences. An informative Si user? Yes.
What do I do if I have become numb to it? It’s almost like I need permission to treat myself well. I could go sf but I feel like it has to b for the sake of some1 else as well 😅
You have to accept yourself. Whether you accept yourself or not is only between you and you, NOBODY else. Just accept yourself just as you’re today.
And do same thing the next day, till you feel this acceptance.
I strongly believe that Batman is a UDUF INTJ
Yeah possibly possible
@dasein Hahahaha always nagging and trying to bring people down with your condescending tone, get a life dude.🤣
don’t you think need for acceptance is Se + Fe? you say intjs fear rejection the most but opposite of rejection is acceptance.
Story of my life MUHAHAHA, sigh, dunno how you doorslam your family that you actually care and want to help have better lives.
It's very painful but eventually you start to get over it and can live a happy, free life.
Easily. If you step back, observe, analyse, accept, and start worrying about your future, you'll get there sooner.
Amazing 💗
I wonder if this can apply to infjs?
My dad (intj) is a fantastic mechanic (cars or operating machines.) That is his main skill he has mastered.)
Great video Chase!
Great video
INTJ UD/SF?
Where can you do the Octagram test?
So relatable
Guys can I ask what does UD/UF MEANS?
Got ud|uf intj udja
Damn
I really enjoy your content but have to say your 4 question test is utter garbage and not much better than the 16 personalities site. Really hope you improve it because as it stands many people are going to mistype if they rely on it.
How do you know it’s garbage? What’s your analysis?
@@CSJoseph It's principle flaw lays in attempting to garner an accurate result based off an extremely small sample size, in this case each question accounts for 25% of the total test. Should personalities be static and unchanging this would still be an issue, though slightly less. Personalities are not static though, and in time many people begin to integrate their subconscious, as well as elements of their unconscious. They adapt to the world as well.
As an INTJ that has been forced by life to adapt their strategies I can at times be very forceful as a consequence. Questions like, to paraphrase, how I prefer my information from another to arrive to me is meaningless. I would prefer not to interact with anyone, barring that the choice between going to the source of information or waiting for it to come is effectively the same. In either case I have to rely on another, which is not easy to do as trusting others is difficult and their standards rarely match my own.
There are many issues with tests like the "16 personalities" one (Scale measurement, improper questions, poor wording, too much room for interpretation, limited by mbti's inferiority as a typing system, etc etc) but one area that it is well made is the checks and measures a large question sample provides. It's failure, stated issues aside , lays in failing to check for mistypes or grip states (and long-term possessions).
I am very much an INTJ, in fact I am literally a Hermit/Alchemist who is obsessed with solving the route to my desired outcome, wholeness. I have spent more time in a Ni-Fi loop than I could even begin to estimate, creating worlds for my Hero(ine) so that I may interpret the meaning behind the story (as there always is something I am being told). I am almost totally blind to others feelings, though when I do see them I am able to understand them with ease (btw I really appreciate you highlighting that INTJ's are "Sympaths" rather than "Empaths") and my past memories have more than once put me in the grip of my so-called Demon. When relaxed enough around others I am much the ESFP (a more raw version than a native, but I have gotten to know this part of me well), and with my studies of typing systems I have also noticed "You" in me a great deal, as that side often comes out when stressed and/or in social settings I do not want to be in or have too many "missing" pieces of information to effectively Ni-taskmaster my way thru them.
I am a newer viewer of your content, many hours invested but still only a fraction into the overall pool, but I am in no way new to "typology" and found your content as I was researching the Ni patterns I found which I termed "Jacob Ladders" (Jacob essentially means Circle in Hebrew and is my first name). Finding 4 related types could be all be oriented into a single circle-chain led me to begin searching for someone in typology who was at least speaking about it. Search engines lead me to a reddit post, which lead me to your channel and the 4 Temples.
It is a strange thing watching you, as it does stir the shadow in me. This brings out my natural distrust of others strongly but has also shown multiple times already that my shadow does indeed have much to teach me, as long as I am willing to hear them out and ponder their words.
Being raised by an ENTJ, it does not overly surprise me when I type as one (even though I live my life very different than one), but when I type as an ISFP then I know something is very very wrong with the test I took.
I greatly enjoy simplifying things down to a very small selection, but in this case it is too far gone. You need to let your Ne free and expand on your test. From what I have seen you are indeed an expert in your field, a talented one at that, but that also comes with a responsibility to the overall community. A person being mistyped, especially those personalities prone to "imposter syndrome" can have very big ramifications; I mean, if we want to speak about "abuse" of the child function what greater than to deny its very essence and familial structure? You have every right to earn a dollar off all your hard work, put you also have a duty to ensure that what you are using to draw clients in is accurate and provides them with proper results.
Just to close this wall let me again say I find great value in your content, and will be watching many hours more of it, but I think your test is sub-standard and needs considerable improvement to be effective and accurate.
Just one final note, I AM aware ISFP's mistype as INTJ's (and fairly often), but with knowledge of the cognitive processes and a great deal of re-checking myself I know with certainty that I have my type correct. I am long past relying on descriptions of the functions and am able to easily "see" them in me. My Ni is God-tier and my Te is extremely strong. Fi and Se don't even compare in power level for me.
Hi Mr Joseph, could you type famous charming charismatic criminals? Example Ted Bundy or Charles Sobhraj
ted bundy was intj. ramirez too. isfj superego is deadly haha