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IBM Thinkpad G41 - Restoring A THICK Pentium 4 Laptop!
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2022
- I bought an old IBM Thinkpad G41 laptop off of eBay. It's quite a chunky beast featuring a 3.33GHz Pentium 4 processor with hyper threading. Join me as I test and clean up this notebook from 2005. #vintage #laptop #restoration
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Hope you enjoyed the video :) What computers do you want me to cover in the future?
How do you install minecraft on old computers? I bought minecraft but when i try to install it is incompatible
An eleitebook 8560p
buy cheap untested "junk" from ebay and try repairing and selling it. (maybe even profits)
@@dasims It's very dependent on the OS and hardware compatibility. I couldn't get it running on this Thinkpad for instance. Largely due to the GPU I believe.
Elitebook W series is somewhat iconic, as it still has decent performance for today use and is pretty strongly made
ibm was sadly one of the only computer companies that truly had real upgradability
Frankly, working on laptops from it's age and thereabouts (when they ALL just HAD to have an optical drive, or else it would suck), it's not that uncommon to have socketed CPUs, 2 RAM slots without soldered crap and a HDD behind a decent door, heck MXM video cards. Even the WLAN cards could be replaced....if you wanted to flash a custom BIOS or buy from the vendor.
It just went downhill fast when someone decided that it was oh-so-important that it's thin. As if the thickness really changed much in what you could bring along it on a bag, much less during use.
@@Kalvinjj it has gone downhill I'll agree but imo it's also become easier to do maintenance on current laptops where you just need to pop open the back panel with most models that aren't thin and light allowing to replace most parts other than the cpu and gpu, I wish socketed mobile chips made a come back tho
@@b1rd1e81 True thankfully there are some models still that you just pop one big panel and replace anything but the CPU/GPU. It's obviously not all lost, and the one thing that thankfully is left in the past is the failing north bridges from overheating/bad BGA soldering. Have an HP one here that had this chronic issue with it's north bridge/GPU chip that had bad cooling and BGA soldering issues.
Nowadays since it's all on the CPU or separate GPU chip, they kinda have to be decently cooled (granted this part is sometimes wishful thinking), can't have a dying north bridge and happy CPU without a clue about the cooling problems there.
Not just upgradability but repairability too. You've had service manuals etc and more importantly every part had a FRU partnumber so you could easy order pretty much every single part of the laptop
I put the date at 2008 when Steve Jobs pulled the Macbook Air out of manila envelope. The entire laptop industry save for gaming, engineering, and rugged use copied them.
Im sure some school is still using these... lol
I wouldn't be surprised. IBM ThinkPads were built to last :)
Even some companies uses windows xp
My school has prehistoric pcs, theres even one with windows 98 on it.
I think older version of Windows is more friendly than the newer version 🤣🤣🤣
It's on windows XP, some companies still use windows server 2003, windows 98 etc
You had Minecraft on the desktop but didn't play it on this beast of a machine! I wanted to see some 4FPS action!
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MY DAD HAS THIS ONE! I used this computer when I was younger to play some games. My dad still has it back at the old house. I think I’ll pick it up for myself
ThinkPads really were dad laptops, if you weren't a business person but still had a ThinkPad you were likely a dad
@@Themadpatter520 yess true. i really remember playing roblox at native resolution with aero turned on while still getting 25s at my dad's thinkpad.
Your dad has probably been waiting for you to realize this. Also, remember to visit your parents more often.
@@steriftes my dad had one and I can't for the life of me remember what model what it was all I remember is I ripped the track point off and it didn't end well for me 😅
@@Themadpatter520 Seriously, my dad have a Thinkpad and an Ideapad
Fun fact, the USB ports deliver power, even when the laptop is powered off. Had to do this once in a storm when I'd lost power and needed to charge my phone. Had the G40 and its weird 4-pin power adapter. Pretty sure it still works.
will try this😂😂😂
@@supergirl1386 Let me know how it goes!
My old t440 had this! Used it like a big powerbank lol
Almost every laptop or PC have this function...
@@Gerrrciunot with some newer laptops. The option to charge devices while it’s off via USB is either available when it connected to power or you have to go to the BIOS to turn it on there.
I would have been curious to see how well Linux Mint from 2019 performed on such an old latpop. Making a case for old hardware used with modern software.
I tried it on this same machine actually. It runs like crap, I ended up on an older ubantoo release
I am curious as well.
Tried Mint in as-old machines but there are many drivers missing... Then you need to go back to older Mint/Ubuntu releases but you won't have the latest software... Well, you can't have everything with a machine that old!
It's not just digging through the old archive driver packages in the repos, it's the fact that x86_32 was largely depricated from the desktop linuxsphere. You can use one of those dedicated 'old pc' distros if you're fine with the weirder web browsers that never work
@Sylvia Campbell I only mentioned it because it was shown in the multi-boot menu early in the video, showing the previous owner was running Mint 2019.
0:29 Due to the Thinkpad's modularity, IBM (later Lenovo) decided to make "mods" for the drive bay, some of them being: extra battery pack, CD/DVD, second HDD, etc. (Especially in the IBM era ones) so basically the owner gave you 2 mods: the CD drive already included inside the laptop and the CD/DVD writer that you showed
My first computer was a Dell modeled after a ThinkPad.
@@CoasterMan13Official Yeah later Dell and HP copied the modularity of the thinkpad with their Latitude and Elitebook
@@Mr_L1n4x yeah. Believe it or not, I still have my Dell D630. It still works. I have Ubuntu MATE installed on it.
Sadly newer thinkpad don't have the modularity anymore
Yes, even Lenovo applies the same modularity concept on Y400 and Y500 laptop with additional GT 650M GPU drive bay dock to enable SLI on those laptops. It produces GTX 760M performance (on 3DMark benchmark and SLI compatible game), therefore surpassing Alienware M14X R2 (which is supposed to be the true 14" gaming laptop at that era). Once I owned Y400 laptop with SLI GT650M and it felt so amazing to be able to run Metro Last Light and CoD Ghost with perfect 60 fps high setting 768p.
I've always loved Thinkpads and I still recommend them to everyone. This machine was from the golden age though - The IBM branded systems. Don't get me wrong - since Lenovo have taken over the thinkpad range, they've done a good job keeping the standard high and they are still great machines. IBM though seemed to have a magic touch. Even my first thinkpad 600 (with a pentium 2 cpu) not only was as hard as a patio slab but was very fast and very stable for the hardware. IBM proved these machines through the ceiling making them compatable with everything and damn near indestructable.
Best Lenovo era ThinkPad I've had is my P50 , solidly built and easy to work on
Nice man. Just picked up an old HP a few months ago with a P4 processor in it as well. Works great but could use a little cleaning, but when I saw that chunky boy at the thrift store for $20 usd I had to do it
That is such a beautiful system, and I love the blast from the past on the thickness, even if it is twice as thick as my first laptop. Seeing expansion ports again really brought on the nostalgia. XD
surely it isnt only me, anyone else a sucker for old style laptops? not the internals, but the abundance of IO, no chassis flex, clicking monitor hinge locks, replaceable batteries.... man, if they sold this again with modern specs, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
P4 laptop, fire hazard and good portable space heater. I want one.
As an owner of a G40, it’s actually surprisingly cool and quiet. 60c max temp and barely audible. It’s primarily due to that gigantic Heatsink. This was super hot for it’s time but these days consider that 45w mobile processors are handled by much smaller coolers since they have much higher potential max temperatures. Since these P4’s would’ve died horribly well before touching something like 90c, most systems of the time aimed to keep the processor at sub 65c
“When I was young I had lots of fun simply watching the screensavers” 🤣 psivewri you are a legend mate
He is not wrong tho. Win XP had some amazing screensavers. I remember 1 that was an aquarium , it had the sounds of 1 as well. I miss XP...
What an epic machine! It looked brand new after that thorough cleaning! I'd play so much rs on this if I had one.
Pipes. Pipes was the best screensaver. As a kid I used to find the animations on my Dad's PC fascinating. I also remember being really disappointed the he got a new computer... and then the pipes animated too quickly to follow properly.
Y'know, you've got me hoovering and dusting out my computers too!
Those old P4 and Athlon XP based laptops ran hot like crazy and used so much power,but i really liked the idea of CPU upgrade being possible and it would either work with a mobile version Pentium 4 or the Desktop version just like the one in the video. I also have a desktop CPU based Pentium 4 laptop that only had around 600 hours of use for its whole life.
check out clevo laptops, desktop processors in laptops
@@wheeI Heh,the Pentium 4 laptop with the desktop CPU that i have is actually a Clevo :)
1:21 modern laptop makers should take notes
i suggest looking at getting a 'denture brush' from the chemists for cleaning, they are usually cheap, got stiff bristles, and (atleast the one i got) has a set of bristles on the back shaped like a pick for harder to get to spots,
honestly, best brush for cleaning, as far as i can find
It would be great if a company that makes laptops could apply the same design of the Thinkpad G41 to a gaming laptop. With today's technology and with how thin the components are now, you could easily put a processor and a desktop gpu with the dimensions of this laptop and still have a good cooling system.
If I remember correctly LTT had a video last year where someone had made a laptop exactly like that
There's been at least one company making such a beast for every generation of Intel CPU. They tend to be quite niche products though, even for gamers... even more so now since you can just use a conventional laptop + eGPU. Mobile CPUs have come a long way since the machine in this video, the GPUs haven't quite caught up though, they're still heavily gimped compared to desktop versions.
I could be wrong, but I am quite certain that even among mobile workstations with desktop CPUs, they still use mobile GPUs, usually on an MXM card which means they are technically upgradeable, but still gimped.
The Clevo X170 is pretty close to just that. Still has an MXM GPU, but it's got an LGA 1200 socket and a Z590 chipset. You can put an 11900K with a 16GB RTX 3080 inside, run about 40 minutes on battery lol
But they won't get enough buyers
thonkpad chonkpad
Thanks for spiking the prices for these things by at least 50% lol. I've been looking for a cheap one to upgrade for quite a while now.
ThinkPads are always gonna be scalped just from brand recognition alone lmao
Thanks for sharing. I have just traded for an IBM X32 with my old Sony mobile phone. I followed your routine and cleaned the keyboard thoroughly with alcohol. I also fixed my left arrow key problem and fan error by removing a couple of tiny dust after removing the keyboard.
I reinstalled Windows XP Professional. Interesting enough, I don't install any fancy screen savers like I did, and just use 3D Text with reflection, showing some self-encouragement like "Never Give Up!". Great screen saver and I love it.
WOW, and I thought my laptop was thick. I think I saw a guy in our small town still using his, it really amazes me how long these computers last!
My favorite WinXP screensaver is the 3D pipes one. I spent many hours just watching it!
Loved the shot of you playing RuneScape
yesss xD
7:32 "Kevin, uh, your dog just died."
The ThiccPad's use of a desktop P4 shows how messed up the Prescott architecture is. The Pentium M on the other hand was based off the Pentium III's P6 architecture which would later be the basis for the Core architecture.
I remember seeing a Pentium M powered notebook for the first time and being so impressed. It was one of those ultra light Dell ones (Latitude X300 IIRC), running at 1.7GHz, sipping power, but performing really well for office work. The Pentium 4 really was a dud.
@@44Bigs Hence the pejorative nickname "PresHot" for them Pentium 4s.
@@blakegriplingph I worked in a computer store during the transition from Northwood to Preshot... we sure used a lot of those Zalman heatsinks to keep the high-end builds from melting down... seems strange right around the same time the scrap price of copper started to go through the roof 😂
My school had PCs that used P4s iirc and that computer lab was always like a damn oven.
im pretty sure every person who uses a thinkpad like this in 2022 uses Linux, it is just so much better than Windows XP in every way. You get a modern, secure operating system that can run up-to-date software reasonably fast even on old devices like this. Linux Mint 19.3 seen in the video is still supported and updated.
It's a P4 why not put xp on it for old games ect
@@Devilmonkey6674 why not both? (As the owner clearly did)
ThinkPads in general - Linux just _suits_ them. Sure I absolutely hate Winblows 10 so there's some slight bias but ThinkPads deserve Linux.
@Xidolf Jitler You clearly haven't used any Linux distro for over two decades. You can easily install one and just use it these days. Customisation isn't mandatory.
Ironically you're saving much more time under Linux than Winblows. No forced updates, nothing breaking just because you looked at it funny.
You're just Microsoft's bitch if you continue to use their trash today.
even then its bad, i had 19.3 on my vostro 1520 with c2d t6670 and 2gb of ram, 160gb hdd, it wasent great and it freezed alot thanks to swap file, i have a t400 with arch and windows 7, 4gb of ram, p8600, new 47Wh battery, sure arch works well and 7 does too, and i can use the two without any problems
Oh my, I have the ThinkPad G40 (the model just before this one). IBM only ever made 3 models in this series - the G40, G41 (what you have), and the G50 which was Japan only. I have 1GB of RAM in mine and it runs Linux Mint Debian Edition pretty well considering its age. It's slow of course, but not unusably slow!
A mobile P4 processor was like a dream back then. I bet that laptop doubled as a portable heater in winter.
I love these old laptop videos. Made me start looking for laptops for free/for trade to fix up.
Ah pentium 4. I remember i use my p4 as room heater during winter. And in summer it can be use as sauna room whileplaying game. Btw in 3rd worldcountry we still using this model coz i saw it on our online store
when laptop companies back then knew how to make laptops cooler than most laptops today.
RUclips recommending this video to me has unlocked memories of borrowing my stepdad's G41 when I forgot to bring my Aspire 5050 with me on holiday once. His had the basic 1024×768 display, though
(4:38) I really should do that the next time I clean my X250.
Always love me some classic thinkpad videos…
I have the parts to a Vaio with a similar concept - only thing is, it has a lot less cooling. I cannot imagine the fire hazard that would be if someone had tried to run 3DMark on it!
If it’s the PCG-K series, then I had the bottom feel blazing hot just playing a small round of Angry Birds.
Honestly I'd love a mod where you fit new hardware into the chassis. There's a laptop mainboard with an AM4 socket out there, could fit a 5950x.
I recently got an IBM Thinkpad R40; works just like how I thought it would. (That being well for older tasks)
Ran like hell until I noticed all the drivers after a factory reset were the Windows generic ones. Installed proper drivers and it worked *MUCH better*
Windows XP is definitely holding that processor back. If it's a 64 bits 2 Threads Pentium 4, it could definitely play RUclips in 720P.
Oh, and when you deal with Macs... please check out Dosdude1's amazing patcher!
Windows 10 used to run fine on these Pentium 4s on older versions like the 1607 anniversary update but now it's just too bloated with extra animations and candy crush.
Edit: just looked up the mobile P4 series and it turns out this one doesn't support Intel 64 or NX Bit, so Windows 10 and modern Ubuntu are out of the question.
@@Tom2404 This is a Socket 478 desktop Pentium 4.
@@aaaalex1994 actually not. There is no 3.33GHz desktop P4. They just happen to have the same socket and I can't really see a difference except for a slower 533MTs bus as opposed to the 800MTs bus on desktop and branding. Doesn't really make a big difference since Intel 64 and NX bit were only introduced on socket 775 anyway.
Came for the eucalyptus oil... was not disappointed
My favorite screen saver was the pipes. Those were always fun to watch.
Brings back memories. I love Thinkpads and I still use an X230 (in a X220 body) and recently found a B590 in my brother's office collecting dust. I brought it home and was glad that it boots using the X220 power supply. After replacing the HDD with SSD, putting the old HDD into a CD caddy for extra storage and fortunately finding an 8Gb RAM from another non working laptop, a got a new laptop. Now I'm using it more because of the bigger 15.6" screen
I bought a P3 one of these for a fiver at a car boot sale, much thinner I might add and it worked without any problems with windows 98 on it but I did install XP and used it for a good amount of time before giving it to my dad who carried on using it for another two years! Best five pounds I’ve ever spend I think.
4:55 That amount of thermal paste is just crazy.
Yeah, I'd probably put less on a modern xeon, and those things are huge.
i have no idea why he puts so much on it :D
The XP laptops and PCs are giving me many nostalgia. I wish I could built one myself one day
Don't let your dreams be dreams. Nothing is stopping you.
Wow, the good old days.....I used to deploy these to customers in the office and these laptops were top notch back then
thats one thick laptop
I’m pretty sure my grandpa still uses this lol
Please share a photo on twitter of that if you can!
I will try
He keeps it in his room
Nah mate that's not a notebook that's a whole encyclopedia
These are absolutely great when used on one's lap. Walking inside from a freezing cold, snowy winter day, it won't take long to get nice and warm.
Lmao but I always loved the Plus! for XP screensavers. Especially 'Nature." Just watching a flowing river reflecting trees, leaves floating down the stream. Quite soothing.
Yesterday I bought a Sony Vaio PCG-K86SP with 3.20GHz P4, 768mb ram and Mobility Radeon 9200
On which OS is it?
@@aritradeb372 XP
@@kacpreusz9911 XP works with 768 MB ram?
@@aritradeb372 Windows XP hardware requitements are 64mb RAM, Intel Pentium class 233MHz cpu (does work on Pentium OverDrive wich is 486 platform), 800x600 SVGA graphics and 1.5gb hard drive space
@@kacpreusz9911 Okay, I was unsure about system requirements, thanks for the information
One hell of a machine, it seems more like a desktop replacement than a laptop. I would love to use one of these one day.
Those old IBM's are some real rugged laptops, yes their hefty but their solid with it and one of the few laptops of the time with a built in light.
Probably one of the toughest laptops around till Panasonic brought out the Toughbook range.
The ThinkLight. One of the features that makes a ThinkPad a ThinkPad.
ThinkPads were amazing. In 2004 I was handed one by my mum and it was what lead me into PC gaming.
Your videos are great and showing old versions of Windows running are quite nostalgic but you should starting learning some basic Linux, you'd be surprised how usable those old machines are with some lightweight Linux distro! I think your channel will be even more interesting, reviving old hardware with the Linux magic :D
Also, connecting Windows XP in 2022 on the internet is very dangerous! I hope you have a separate internet for your testing, otherwise you risk getting some nasty malware on your network. Be careful, cheers!
I hope a eucalyptus oil brand sponsors you in the near future...or the brand which you always use "Bositor" I guess...sponsors you lmao...or atleast they thank you for your free advertising lol
Bosisto’s is a iconic Aussie brand with 100 uses...
the welcome tune of Xp really hit me. Man those days. Daily after my school, I came back home and enjoying the Vice city
I had a Toshiba desktop replacement/gaming laptop of very similar vintage, and the vents and copper heatsink (and fans) were MASSIVE. 2gb RAM, ATi 9700 graphics (512mb which for the time was huge)...Win XP, 17" screen. God, what a beast that thing was. I think it was called the A60? Real looker, too.
A lady gave me one along with a 15" Vaio E Series computer. The Toshiba she gave me is a little bit newer though (it's from 2009, around the time my mom got her first computer.) It has 3gb ram, an Intel Celeron, and a terrific 17 inch display. I ended up installing Linux on it. I still have the Vaio, but I ended up having to give the Toshiba back to her.
It is definitely not similar vintage.
@TFUSION I didn't. I left it completely stock hardware wise.
Windows XP laptops have this specific (good) style and aesthetic like no other era has
3:40 ooh, I like how the wires aren't taped down and are instead wrapped themselves
Your videos are clean man keep it going!
I suddenly remembered how hefty this things are. Hated dragging this around when I borrowed one.
My favorite screensavers as a kid were pipes and the maze. I even downloaded a modern port of the maze for my windows 10 gaming laptop even though screensavers aren't needed anymore lol.
Thickpad. You got me there.
Guy has teleprute videos in his recommentations. Truly a man of culture!
Very nice restore and overview. I love older technology, its so interesting how much technology has changed!
Seeing you play OSRS in this video made my day. What a classic game to be playing on this classic machine!
This reminds me of my Compaq pentium 4 I bought about 2005. It ran hot, heavy, and bulky. I had it for about 3 years. Still I used at work and weekends.
Oh wow! Almost the same specs.
Had this processor on my very first PC! When was 12, I assembled my computer with used parts. The same Pentium 4 with 1,5 gb of RAM and a FX-6200 256 mb GPU. Was a beast for me! I was really proud of have it with my own money. Was my savings for more than a year that time
Its amazing seeing how something thats been left for years becomes shiny after a quick clean up alone
I've got one of these! Used it throughout high school with Linux loaded on it. I have plans to hook it up to a CRT and use it as a retro gamebox.
"Pipes 3D" was definitely my favorite screen saver back in the day! Cheers
Thickbooks hit hard. Literally, you can hospitalise someone with one swing and the laptop wouldn't be affected, now laptops disintegrate when touched
Man those P4s were heaters. We had a P4 Desktop from Dell I spec'd out for my family, mostly my brother when he was going into high school. It was a beast but really kept the room warm
Flying Windows 98 logos, is my favorite! Still use it to this day in Windows 11!!
The colored pipes are by far my favorite for screensaver from that time frame.
The Pipes screensaver was my favourite, followed by that haunted house one lol
i remember my primary school had these exact laptops. Kids always popped out the batteries because how satisfying it was. It was also so slow (probably because kids used them), everyone kept clicking internet explorer hundreds of times because we though it opens faster but it opened hundreds of browsers and the laptop would crash lol.
6:30 that sound so nostalgia, go home from school and open my pc and hear that windows xp welcome sound
the BEST screen saver from all the times is the man on the island..
it's crazy to think that just a decade ago, the lids to these laptops were as thick as entire laptops are in this day and age
favorite windows xp screensaver is definetly the labyrinth one. i watched it for so long waiting to see if there was an end to it lol
My uncle had one back in the day when I always waited for him to get out of the house so that I could play Red alert 2, good days
I had the related G40 for many years as well. Made for a great space heater! Also remember it has its own themes, complete with unique IBM sounds
I have a G40 too. It's pretty cool!
I remember P4 laptops back in the day, hot chonkers and thick bois, every single one.
I had one of these rock solid laptops, I sold it for 100 bucks back in 2012.
The pipes would probably be my best Old Computer Screensaver
I'm only here for the eucalyptus oil lol.
Oh man, I had one. What a flashback. THANK YOU!
I own a G40 that is the one with the floppy instead of the nvidia gpu.
It has been upgraded to 2gb of ram a slightly faster cpu and instead of a hdd it uses a adapter with a msata ssd 60mm.
Mine is being used to play alot of older titles and i love bringing it to lan party's
The boys love themselfs some chonk to their devices :D
Also long live tiberian sun's themes for windows xp!
"hearing that start up sound is like coming home" i finally know how to explain it 🤣
Use to work with IBM of repairing these. this was the G series line marketed as the desktop replacement ThinkPads and were mostly for work at a desk hence desktop replacement. After lenovo took over the WXX series came out, the W700/W701 was the desktop machine replacement while they made travel sizes with W500, same body as the T500. The Earlier before G series was the IBM ThinkPad A20 to A31 machines.
I love the IBM trackpoints, wish more modern laptops had them, Much more precise and easier to use going down a bumpy road, or simular situation.
still using my thinkpad today! no idea wich year it is from but it's definitly a older one!
ive let it sit in the closet after i switched to my school laptop hp,
but switched back since autopilot that spyware ruined the hp laptop. ( i burn my hands everytime i start the laptop up )
it ran in 1fps the thinkpad after being there for 2.5, years
it was loaded with my moms stupid facebook images..
managed to reset it including wiping her account
now it runs perfectly fine!
although it does lag sometimes but I'm gratefull this beast of a laptop still works!!
This Windows XP starting sound teleported me to childhood times
BISO button batteries are generally difficult to find in retail in China. They are usually sold in groups. A group costs 5-20 yuan (depending on the number of batteries in each group), which is about 1-3 US dollars.
Love to see that lugable computers lasted into the new millennium
1:42 xp chime a day makes the doctor go away