Thank you Andrea for a well thought through and powerfully presented message. Thank you for giving a voice to a figure that deserve greater respect and particularly doing so as a woman speaking about a woman whose story is written in a very patriarchal context.
People assume that Bathsheba was on a roof while taking her bath. Of course everyone knew the King’s whereabouts and no doubt that he sometimes walked along the roof looking over the city. One way or another, if she allowed herself to be visible to him while she was bathing, obviously it was a turn on to him. How could she not know that would be true? I think she was signaling that she wanted David to call for her so that she could eventually be queen.
Bathsheba was not innocent. She was not a victim as you depict her to be. She knew the standards of God, yet she chose to commit adultery with the king in stead of keeping God’s commands. Perhaps David would have come to his senses if she would have turned him down. David was held to a higher standard as a man and the king. However, she suffered because of HER sin. David suffered because of HIS. At the end of the day, God still gave them both grace by not treating their sin as deserved.
Scripture is clear. God called David out for his sin. Why then would David repent? Typical victim blaming. She was where she was supposed to be. Can’t say that about David. Really? In that patriarchal society, she could say no? Scripture says he sent messengers to “TAKE HER”. FORCED. Reading is fundamental. Read the text.
@@tonyaneal She was bathing on a rooftop in front of David. How seductive is that? Surely she could’ve had some kind of portable walls or barriers around her to act modestly. I think David saw her actions as an invitation which he took up on. I think she wanted to be queen and she knew exactly what she was doing.
@@psalm1tree466 Lol sounds like you think she lived during this time. Portable walls, really? Perhaps David should have been at war. Read your Bible then we can discuss the story :).
@@tonyaneal I am exceedingly familiar with the Bible. For example I know that the woman was a granddaughter of an advisor to King David. No doubt he had seen her many times in her life. But there was only one time when he lusted after her. Not in any banquets, not in any visits with her family, not walking along the street, but while she was bathing in full view of his eyes. Any modest woman would’ve known how to conceal herself from prying eyes when bathing. Any people at that time would’ve been very familiar with the The habits and whereabouts of their king in general. If you want to think that she was an innocent baby, that’s your concern not mine. I don’t buy it for a second and I have nothing more to say on the issue. Bye!
@@psalm1tree466 Perhaps. But I try to stick to what is written. It was written that David was on the rooftop and not Bathsheba. It is written that David was supposed to be at war. It is also written that David inquired about her. He was told who she was and still sent the men to get her. The punishment was directly for David and not Bathsheba, spoken to David by the prophet Nathan. It is written that God was angry with David because he killed Uriah and married his wife, that is why the sword fell on David's family as it did. That it's why Tamar, David's daughter was raped by her half-brother, that is why Amon his son was killed by his brother Absalom, that is why Absalom tried to kill his father David, that is why Solomon who loved women as much as his dad and other son's died in the manner that he did...all of this is written. Those are the facts of the text. Sure we can read into it and provide our personal perspective, but the Word is the Word. Some things are silent in the text for a reason and we have to go with that. Many things that are silent are those about the emotions of women who were just not treated with respect. They were given away and traded like commodities and property. That is the society in which they lived. However, Jesus came on the scene and validated women - allowing them to be the first to carry the GOOD NEWS! The beautiful part of it all is that God forgave David as he does us all. I do also know that her grandfather, father, and husband worked for David, but again DAVID still inquired about her (asked who she was) and was told who she was, and proceeded to have her taken from her home. But I guess it's her fault for cleansing herself in her home as he watched from his rooftop. Just as it's the woman's fault whose dress is too short who got raped, or who drank too much who got raped. Maybe it is a child's fault who is abused by a pedophile because they were entising. It's the woman's fault who is physically abused in any manner because SHE did something that is viewed as wrong to that man. It is the woman's fault for making a man with 7 wives want her. Cool. I respect how you see view the text but again, I will defer to the facts of the text and leave it there.
Thank you Andrea for a well thought through and powerfully presented message. Thank you for giving a voice to a figure that deserve greater respect and particularly doing so as a woman speaking about a woman whose story is written in a very patriarchal context.
Thank you Andrea for beautifully narrating one of the most crucial story in the bible. I'm blessed. may God bless you more
God is good, he will always forgive those who repent no matter what we have done.
love this! currently studying Bathsheba and David and this is very helpful.
I love you.. beautiful story taker
Thank you. You have answered all my questions about David and his sin.
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👍👍This is a great teaching! Thank you for posting this!🌼🤡🌻💎🌚🧠
👋 Where can I find the listings you mentioned for the series?
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People assume that Bathsheba was on a roof while taking her bath.
Of course everyone knew the King’s whereabouts and no doubt that he sometimes walked along the roof looking over the city.
One way or another, if she allowed herself to be visible to him while she was bathing, obviously it was a turn on to him. How could she not know that would be true?
I think she was signaling that she wanted David to call for her so that she could eventually be queen.
Bathsheba was not innocent. She was not a victim as you depict her to be. She knew the standards of God, yet she chose to commit adultery with the king in stead of keeping God’s commands. Perhaps David would have come to his senses if she would have turned him down. David was held to a higher standard as a man and the king. However, she suffered because of HER sin. David suffered because of HIS. At the end of the day, God still gave them both grace by not treating their sin as deserved.
Scripture is clear. God called David out for his sin. Why then would David repent? Typical victim blaming. She was where she was supposed to be. Can’t say that about David. Really? In that patriarchal society, she could say no? Scripture says he sent messengers to “TAKE HER”. FORCED. Reading is fundamental. Read the text.
@@tonyaneal She was bathing on a rooftop in front of David. How seductive is that? Surely she could’ve had some kind of portable walls or barriers around her to act modestly.
I think David saw her actions as an invitation which he took up on.
I think she wanted to be queen and she knew exactly what she was doing.
@@psalm1tree466 Lol sounds like you think she lived during this time. Portable walls, really? Perhaps David should have been at war. Read your Bible then we can discuss the story :).
@@tonyaneal I am exceedingly familiar with the Bible. For example I know that the woman was a granddaughter of an advisor to King David.
No doubt he had seen her many times in her life. But there was only one time when he lusted after her. Not in any banquets, not in any visits with her family, not walking along the street, but while she was bathing in full view of his eyes.
Any modest woman would’ve known how to conceal herself from prying eyes when bathing. Any people at that time would’ve been very familiar with the The habits and whereabouts of their king in general.
If you want to think that she was an innocent baby, that’s your concern not mine. I don’t buy it for a second and I have nothing more to say on the issue. Bye!
@@psalm1tree466 Perhaps. But I try to stick to what is written. It was written that David was on the rooftop and not Bathsheba. It is written that David was supposed to be at war. It is also written that David inquired about her. He was told who she was and still sent the men to get her. The punishment was directly for David and not Bathsheba, spoken to David by the prophet Nathan. It is written that God was angry with David because he killed Uriah and married his wife, that is why the sword fell on David's family as it did. That it's why Tamar, David's daughter was raped by her half-brother, that is why Amon his son was killed by his brother Absalom, that is why Absalom tried to kill his father David, that is why Solomon who loved women as much as his dad and other son's died in the manner that he did...all of this is written. Those are the facts of the text. Sure we can read into it and provide our personal perspective, but the Word is the Word. Some things are silent in the text for a reason and we have to go with that. Many things that are silent are those about the emotions of women who were just not treated with respect. They were given away and traded like commodities and property. That is the society in which they lived. However, Jesus came on the scene and validated women - allowing them to be the first to carry the GOOD NEWS! The beautiful part of it all is that God forgave David as he does us all. I do also know that her grandfather, father, and husband worked for David, but again DAVID still inquired about her (asked who she was) and was told who she was, and proceeded to have her taken from her home. But I guess it's her fault for cleansing herself in her home as he watched from his rooftop. Just as it's the woman's fault whose dress is too short who got raped, or who drank too much who got raped. Maybe it is a child's fault who is abused by a pedophile because they were entising. It's the woman's fault who is physically abused in any manner because SHE did something that is viewed as wrong to that man. It is the woman's fault for making a man with 7 wives want her. Cool. I respect how you see view the text but again, I will defer to the facts of the text and leave it there.