I recently had county officials try and do this on my family's property. The cars are on a farm, behind the barn. They are my late Aunt Ethel and Uncle Raymond's cars, and are classic cars that are not visible from the main roadway. I found the camera footage where a code enforcement official was all over the property. I went to the police department and filed a trespass complaint and brought the notice of trespass to the code enforcement office. We are county, not city, so the rules don't apply and he was on the property that is clearly posted and fenced off. He had to jump the fence to get on the property, illegally. We also got the lawyer to issue a notice of intent to sue if the trespass is violated again. Needless to say, I got a call from the mayor to apologize. This code enforcement shit is getting out of hand.
A friend built project cars. He had 2 going at any given time. They were behind an 8’ privacy fence and couldn’t be seen from the street. His city cut the locks off of his gate to inspect his yard. They then tore down his driveway gates and towed both cars. They then charged him for the destruction of his gates as well as towing and storage fees. He is suing for 6 figures now.
I have a retired elderly couple, that live across the street from me. Whose hobby it is, to call the city and police on me. For things you covered, and a pletheta more. Have had 13+ stickers with warnings placed on my items, on private property. I have full custody of 5 children, with a new addition. My yard is a giant toy box (for me as well). I do not live in an HOA, yet get harrassed and threatened regularly. The code enforcer even went so far as to call my landlord, and blatantly lie/exaggerate. What happened to the constitution? City ordanances do not trump my rights
yeah that couple would be having unfortunate things start happen to their car and property at the wee hours of the morning... Dam kids... always causing shit.
I'm a sheriff in the rural Nebraska and our main city has tried to do this several times in the last few years and I told him to pound sand every time. My thoughts are you pay your property tax it's your property you should be able to do what you want with it. On the flip side you're degrading your neighbors property values by having trashy broke down cars but it's still your property.
@@lunarvvolf9606then deal with them if they do. But you don't get to invade private property, steal private property, and then be extorted for them stealing it, just because somebody's old car might have a leak. Please go somewhere else and beg for more government. We dont need anymore In America
Our small city did this two yrs ago to an elderly lady who was 300 miles away at a stroke rehab center. I walked by and church members were cleaning up the house, painting etc because it was thought she would eventually come back. The second vehicle was scheduled for towing (it needed work) but I was able to buy it from the daughter to give the lady some money so she wouldn't lose both assets. The city officials knew the situation. Totally despicable!
Same thing happened to a lady I knew. She was in the hospital for a cancer relapse that would eventually take her life. Now, her property wasn't pristine, but it was not in bad shape at all. Didn't stop code enforcement from threatening all kinds of fines. A bunch of people got together and cleaned up her yard, bushes, outside of the house, etc. While she never ended up making it back home, it at least gave her relief to where she wasn't worrying about fines. Meanwhile there were legitimate dilapidated properties in other parts of the city, but those people had no money or property worth stealing. They only went after people they thought could pay the fines!
That’s just awful. We have a small home in Utah and only have a 2 space drive way. In the winter we’re not allowed street parking. We have to make room for the third car in the front yard. Fines are $125
@@jblyon2 cities don't want to enforce laws on rocks in which they cannot draw blood. a property that is mostly kept up with a defenseless woman? time to milk a person who cant deal with the property for fines. Someone on welfare hasn't mowed their lawn in a year and the property is falling in on itself? would cost more to fix the issue leave him alone.
Reminds me of my dad who used to park in the old walmart parking lot sometimes and thats where the police liked to park so they started towing his car for no reason, well after that happened 3 times he bought the old walmart building for storage and put barricades up that said no police parking lol
Our neighbours love to call code enforcers on us. Our record was 9 times in one day. My 4year old was reprimanded for stopping his pedal car to close to the lane way. Code enforcers even showed up and when asked what was the problem they stated “I don’t know what the problem is “ then proceeded to look around until they found a violation. Another time it was for me because I parked on an angle in the driveway. I figured out if you record every interaction with government “officials” and put it on RUclips for the world to see, they tend to back down quite quickly.
I collect classic cars, had some run ins with code enforcement, one time it was a city guy calling in complaints after I denied his request for a sidewalk extension easement on my land, he told me that if I did not grant the easement, that my cars would become a problem, and later that day code enforcement shows up. That time I retaliated by finding over 100 other violations in the city, and top of the list included the former mayors home ( parks his truck on his dead lawn) current council members, commissioners, etc... I took that list to the head of code enforcement office and showed it to him. He dropped the complaint against me immediately. It usually is about ten years later they try it again, they get some new young code enforcer who doesnt know me nor my tactic, so I compile another list and go through the whole thing again. Has worked every time. Screw this little dictators, fight them!
Bruh, i hate people like these. Trying to pick fights and find issues, and will probably act like they're innocent when confronted. People just can't leave others alone these days.
I once had qty8 2x4's neatly stacked in my garage. The township building inspector happened to drive by and stopped. I was around the side of the garage. He comes walking up my driveway asking if I have a building permit. I asked him for what? He said I have some construction material there and that usually means someone needs a permit. I told him I was building shelves in my shed with them eventually. He slapped me with a $500 fine for not having a permit. I took it up with the township board and they removed the fine because the paperwork did not list what kind of permit I failed to obtain. Two months later, this building inspector "retired". I wasn't the only one apparently who he had done this too either.
If having an unlicensed vehicle was grounds for towing, they would have to also clear out all of the lots at car dealers (New AND used!) and then... Tow away all of those cars from the impound lots!
@@gregoryfrickey1715 start by making it very difficult, if not altogether impossible, for the government to make money on it. Once the profit motive is gone, a lot of the problems will go away. Sue or otherwise complain everytime you believe your rights are violated. If you start costing them more in time and money than you're worth, they'll stop. Push laws to make license plates permanent with a simple, reasonable one-time fee, end excise taxes, annual or bi-annual registrations and inspections. Removal of these profit centers will remove incentive to be nuisances.
Years ago Fort Wayne IN tried to have my dads car towed from his driveway, my dad angrily approached the tow truck driver who locked himself in his truck and called the police. So my dad (armed), me (armed), two of our neighbors (both armed) were having a bit of a stand off with 3 cops (armed). Ultimately a lieutenant showed up and said they don't have a warrant and can't take the car or be on our property, made the tow truck driver leave and apologized. 20 years later, never had an issue again.
Kinda feel like the tow truck driver should've been arrested for attempted grand theft auto. Just because someone (incorrectly) tells you it's OK to break the law, doesn't make it OK to break the law.
@@solandri69 I would agree with you only if the arrest was expunged once it led to the person/people who issued the unlawful order sending out the tow truck driver and THEY were instead arrested and charged.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Agreed it would be unfair if the person who issued the unlawful order wasn't also punished. However, we all have a duty and responsibility to act in accordance with the law regardless of what orders we may receive from those above us. Whether it be from a parent, boss/supervisor, or government representative. Otherwise you're allowing the excuse of "just following orders" to justify crimes going unpunished. Do that, and evil people in power just need to surreptitiously slip in untraceable unlawful orders to accomplish their goals, without fear of reprisal. People need to understand that they have to think about the orders they're given, instead of just following them blindly.
Some years ago in New York state, I learned that some govt. entity was apparently flying over the entire county doing aerial photography on a periodic basis. They were thus able to spot cars that were stationary over a long term. It didn't matter to them that the cars were located on a large property well away from the gaze of any public going by on the highway. The property owner would then be issued a warning to either register and license the car(s), or face further action. (Any cars not visible to the eyeball in the sky were not pursued.) There are some govt. types who need to be permanently removed from any "public service."
Except the British government doesn't do CAF unless you've been convicted, and those assets are proceeds of crime; and they cannot come on your property to steal vehicles that you own whether registered/insured or not.
Yes, but then the people contracted their God given rights away in exchange for government privileges and civil rights by becoming a U.S. citizen. Fix your contracts, become a State Citizen to restore your God given rights.
My town did the same thing. I have a gravel parking spot behind my house. Parked my (registered and inspected) car there. They kept sending me letters about my "abandoned" car. Nothing was wrong with it, it was just old. They ignored all my arguments and kept threatening to tow it. So I started parking it on the public street in front of my house. They can't do anything about that since the registration and inspection are current. But on my property suddenly they can just take it because it's "abandonded". Government is out of control.
my city tried that because a new neighbor didn't like seeing my old car in my back yard so city came and tagged it to be towed if it wasn't moved or licensed within 10 days so I loaded it on my licensed car trailer and left it parked in the same spot, city came back and said they were going to tow it because it wasn't licensed so I showed the guy the current plate and registration of the trailer and said "what's the issue?" he replied...you have a point and gave me a complaint satisfied receipt and left. After that I purposely stacked as much crap as I could on that trailer just to be petty...
@@KILLKING110 lol. Harassment is a crime. Is he supposed to go to the police and be like "yeah, my neighbor complained to the city and I didn't like it, go arrest him"?
I met a man who lived quite a bit off the road get a DUI because the police saw brake lights on a parked car in the driveway and investigated. The owner of the house had done a wine and cheese party to raise rinds for a non profit. After the party was over he wanted to listen to music but didn't want to wake his kids up and listened to music in his car. The engine had not been started but they gave him a dui because the keys were in the front and he had the potential to drive. He fought it and lost. To me this was just a money grab by the police since each dui nets the country about 15k.
@@mem1701movies no, but I know enough to say there is HELLA reasonable doubt if there is no evidence of him having been on the road. If I was on a jury given these facts, I'd aquit for sure.
@@nnelg8139 he was well off and had fought it and lost. He was in DUI class when I heard the story. As I understand it there are two agencies involved. DMV and the police . Beating both is tougher than you think. I am not a lawyer but knew someone in the class. I guess it depends on how the laws are written.
I had an antique truck, owned by my family since new, backed into my driveway. Was complete, but the motor needed to be rebuilt. I got turned into the township because it had to be inspected! I had to sell it, because I didn’t have enough money to get it done and had no place to put it. I told them I’d cover it. They said no. As I drive around the township, I see cars parked with covers on them, but these people are not the ones who turned me in. The township only goes after people when someone complains. I know who did it and am biding my time.
until officials personally pay a price for stuff like this it's just gonna keep happening . there's no down side for them at all worst case scenario we the citizens pay the judgment against them when they get sued .
Exactly, that's what I hate about this. The government agents get off free and clear every time. So with no repercussions to them personally they are always looking for ways to control people and steal their money no matter what the constitution says.
I grew up in south St. Louis. We had a neighborhood organization run by a catholic sisterhood. Carondelet Community Betterment Association. The leader hated me building cars in my mom's backyard. She demanded I join her cult and pay a monthly fee like a business would. She sent an inspector to the house. He never knocked on a door jumped the locked gate and lifted a car cover to check for plates. I was given a 500.00 dollar fine and a court date. When I got my turn to speak. I told the judge the circumstance with included pictures of other car "illegally packed cars" I asked how many of those addresses where cited. I went on to tell the judge the car had a cover and was behind a locked double drive gate. I was found not guilty. The CCBF was told to stop trespassing on private property. This was a win for every car nut in my neighborhood. City Court mid 1980s.
Years ago, my parents were trying to sell my recently deceased grandmother's car and it was sitting on our front yard. The town gave them a warning stating that any vehicles had to be parked on "hottop" or in a obvious driveway (to cover for dirt driveways). So my parents got 4 pieces of broken up hottop and parked all 4 wheels on a piece. Needless to say, the town was pissed but there was nothing they could do. The next year that bylaw was changed to be more specific.
@@monkstandinglast Ashphalt, or in this case, a chunk or clump of ashphalt! A perfect solution for a bureaucrat with a mindless mindset. Figure the chunk is six inches by ten inches.
My father was a nut. He welded a 500 gallon propane tank to the frame of an old car. The idea being he could pull it into the field to refuel his propane tractor. That was a stupid idea on so many levels. He dies and my mother needs to buy propane. She buys it from place A once. Next year, place B has a better deal. Place A comes out thinking they had a solid customer. He was pissed she'd bought propane from someone else and not him even though she owed him nothing. He turned her in for that tank being on a car frame and caused a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, I'm trying to be the good son who lives a couple of states away. I discover there's a national gas code of sorts. I looked it up, called whatever agency in the state and asked him if my proposal would satisfy the letter of the law. Yes. Propane company A wanted to charge to have that tank cut off that frame. However, by simply raising each wheel up and putting a patio block under it, it satisfied the law requirement. A week later and BIL up there, jacked up the tank enough corner by corner and put a concrete patio block under it. Problem solved.
Farms have all kinds of motorized equipment that aren't registered because they are never on the roads, from tractors to stake trucks to combines. And some of them need repair and won't run at all. I know of one tracked backhoe that I'd be happy if the county would confiscate it.
It could be all, but I don't have that info. So I used some but under the guidelines it represents all in general consensus that the fact remains that this farming has to have these vehicles and since they never hit the black top or even concrete where the average Joe normally walks or drives should be related to that these vehicles don't need because they don't have to be where they would normally be to be registered.
This must be this "freedom" thing that America is so well known for.. not even being allowed to park your own cars on your own property. City officials, HOAs, police.. I'm getting the impression that everyone else has more jurisdiction about stuff you own than yourself by now.
This happened to me years ago. Had an old Suburban I was restoring. Had the truck parked in a parking spot next to my garage on my back alley. After a police chase through my yard, it was apparently determined that my Resto truck had a registraion lapse. New plates and stickers were in my house, as we had a theft problem in the neighborhood (see above police chase incident). Was out of town on Military duty, recieved a letter on Saturday evening stating I had until Monday at 0800 or else they were going to fine me, jail me, and fine me for removal costs. Ended up sending a driveable vehicle to the scrap yard for $200 because I couldnt afford to be arrested and lose my job. Whitehall ohio can bite my ass.
I've heard Ohio can be especially viscous about this due to their laws. I remember reading a column about it in the now-defunct Cars & Parts Magazine in the late 1990s.
@@HammerStudioGames Doesn't matter. In the words of Founding Father Thomas Payne, "Government is, at best, a necessary evil, and at worst an intolerable one." That's wh I'm a Libertarian.
Exactly what I thought of when I saw this video. Knowing how corrupt some central state city governments can be, I wouldn't be surprised if that has happened before.
I learned to work on cars with my dad in the front yard in the 80's. I have been a mechanic for 25+ years. I raise 6 kids with my skills learned in the front yard. The city will make money on the unclaimed cars when auctioned. The #1 problem this country has is a nose problem. Sticking your nose in your neighbors business.
Steve Lehto, hopefully you will do a follow up on this lawsuit. chances are that city will win, and prove once again that there is no such thing as private property in ussa
Courts in this country now are a jthey. Will get continuances and where you down make you higher lawyers, etc. It turned and they will still win. Learned helplessness Is what it is
The city I lived in when this happened to me had a city ordinance that prohibited unregistered cars only because of one guy in town that had cars all over town in empty lots, and were a nasty nuisance. However they used that law on myself and others that liked older cars and restored older cars. They had to come onto my property to see my cars, they were not visible from the street, and threatened to write fines and tow the vehicles if not removed. I moved them and covered them completely in a way that they were not recognized as a car, and they left me alone. However from my own property, I could see another property that has abandoned school busses used for storage and abandoned cars that the city wasn't concerned about. When I pointed them out, they passed it off as a non issue, and refused to do anything about it. Selective application of an ordinance.
I knew it was from the St. Louis area. I believe it was 2010ish charges were brought against a towing company that was towing any vehicle they felt like(including mine) from private property and city streets for the 7-8 years prior. The ensuing legal process revealed kickbacks to a particular St. Louis City manager, who was forced to resign but not sure if he faced charges himself.
Our neighborhood has such small carports that most of us have to park partially on the grass/rocks nearby. I'm so glad that our city isn't this nitpicky.
Happened to relatives of mine. Small community, under 1800 people, passed a local ordinance. Non-running and unregistered cars outdoors had to be behind solid fences. They towed off 2 to 3 vehicles behind wire fences. My relatives didn't bother to get the vehicles back. They weren't worth much money. This in a dead end town in a lot with a tin barn...next to no house. In a town with little to no hopes of attracting ANYTHING, they decide to make trouble for the few people who live in the area. Busy bodies or greedy. Either way, the mayor and city council should've been run out of town.
This has happened to me 3 times about 15 years ago. I eventually lost 2 different work trucks. The first time it cost me $2500 to get my bucket trunk back because I couldn't find where it was hauled to for storage about 30 days. The next time it was actually at a machinics house and lost a chip truck, bucket truck and bobcat. Never got them back. Thank you city of Kannapolis, NC
@@YoungGirlz8463 No not good as he need to go postal as the only thing that will stop government from doing this kind of thing is when the ones in charge are ended every time something like this happens.
“DUE COURSE OF LAW”: This phrase is synonymous with “DUE PROCESS OF LAW” or “LAW OF THE LAND” and means law in its regular course of administration through courts of justice. Kansas Pac. Ry. Co. v. Dunmeyer 19 KA 542. Property Seizure requires: FIRST: A trial by jury with sworn Affidavits from an injured party; NOT summary proceedings. SECOND: A Warrant with a wet-ink signature of a Judge; NOT a stamp or clerk’s signature. THIRD: A sworn Affidavit by an injured party and/or witness to a crime. Without these THREE (3) steps, property cannot be legally seized; and, when the Sheriff or Marshal executes a Warrant without ALL of the aforementioned prerequisites, the Sheriff or Marshal becomes liable; and, a conspirator in a crime. “AMENDMENT V of the Constitution of the United States provides: ‘No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS OF LAW.’ A similar provision exists in all the state constitutions; the phrases ‘DUE COURSE OF LAW’ and the ‘LAW OF THE LAND’ are sometimes used; but, all three (3) of these phrases have the same meaning; and, that applies conformity with the ancient and customary laws of the English people or laws indicated by parliament.” Davidson v. New Orleans 96 U.S. 97, 24, L Ed 616. “...no man shall be deprived of his property without being heard in his own defense.” Kinney v. Beverly, 2 Hen. & M (VA). AMENDMENT IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated; and, NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE BUT UPON PROBABLE CAUSE, SUPPORTED BY OATH OR AFFIRMATION; and, particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or THINGS TO BE SEIZED.
If you want to find a car that is not registered or inspected properly, look no further than the municipal vehicles. Towns, cities and states are notorious scofflaws when it comes to motor vehicles!
This is the truth. I got rearend-ed by a 20 something in a city Dpw truck. Had no insurance wasn’t registered or insured. Just about lost my freedom that day😂
Regarding registration... When I bought my first car in 1969, I went to register it. I was told I couldn't register it until I had insurance. So I went to my folks agent. He told me he couldn't insure it until I registered it. I told the agent I could not believe I was the first person in the history of NC to have this problem. He finally sold me the insurance. I changed agents as soon as it was registered.
Steve you hit the nail on the head: FOLLOW the MONEY that is the key. Literally anyone can interpret any Code Enforcement Violation 7 different ways if Money is involved and who or whom is supporting the Code Enforcement Officer to pursue these cases.
I live in the St. Louis area and had not heard of Calverton Park. Looked them up and it appears to be a tiny municipality that's about 10 blocks by 10 blocks. It's just one of those tiny cities that probably makes all it's money from tickets.
"The object of all despotism is revenue." -- Thomas Paine The constant barrage of this sort of abuse by local government demonstrates that the Constitution is a dead letter and apparently a lot of government lawyers didn't even get an inkling what the Constitution is about.
they did this in RI, they toed my car to a shady lot , there was no actual traffic violation , but in theory I need to register the car to keep it , so I go get INSURANCE and register the car, they didnt and could not charge me for the tow. Its insane , I went down to the DMV and almost got arrested for citing the fourth amendment . We are under occupation ! They also now fine you hundreds for not having insurance on your registration automatically, so you have to keep the insurance or they will send you some automatic fine!
My neighbor had a car in his backyard that wasn’t running but it was registered. The city sent him a notice demanding he demonstrate the car was operational. He had to pay to have it fixed so he could show the city it was operational so he could keep it in his backyard. I told him I didn’t understand why that mattered and I would have asked the city to get a warrant.
That's not an unlicensed vehicle, it's art, now it's a 1st ammendment violation! Read about the guy and the toilets in his yard, he sued and won. That's also gonna be a 4th ammendment violation, they can't seize property just because they can make money.
Something similar happened to a guy I met. He had a large tree in his front yard with about a 3 foot diameter trunk. A wind storm toppled it, so he cut off all the branches and disposed of them, but left the trunk in his yard. He lives in a fancy bedroom community that’s a small city enveloped by a major city. The strict police force came by and told him he needed to get rid of it or otherwise face fines until he does. He told them no and that he’s keeping it as garden art. They hassled him a few times about it, but when the weather changed he planted a bunch of flowers surrounding it and it’s actually quite a lovely garden, and now they leave him alone.
I had a Nascar circle track racecar in my detached garage behind my house. My garage door opener broke, so I rolled the car out on to the driveway so I could replace the broken opener. A crazy old neighbor called code enforcement and they told me I couldn't have an unlicensed car in my driveway, even if it clearly was a purpose-built functional racecar which the state did not issue licenses for. The neighbor called it an eye sore, which really ticked me off because I had one of the best-looking cars at the track. I then loaded the car on to my licensed open trailer that raised the car so it was very clearly visible over our fence, and parked it there for months. He couldn't help but to see it every time he went outside or looked out his bedroom window. He called code enforcement 37 times and even called a city council woman his wife knew. The code guys had to respond to each complaint even knowing they couldn't do anything about it, we got to know each other on a first name basis. Since the race car was parked on my licensed trailer and not on my driveway, I was legal. This happened in Jacksonville, Fl several years ago.
Meanwhile I had an old bus in my backyard that I could not get rid of as it came with the property and had no title. The city had a provision for abondened vehicles on private property where they would come tow it off. However when reported to them they did nothing. They would not come get it. But lord forbid that I put a tire on my grass they would give me a violation for parking on an unimproved surface. I even removed the fence so that the bus sitting in the back yard was visable from the street. They would not cite me for parking it on an unimproved surface since I had already reported it as an abandoned vehicle, but they did continue to cite me for parking my other vehicles with the tires touching the grass. They only care if they can fine you, but if it is going to cost them money they somehow can't see the violation.
I am putting a 62 MGA back together while repairing damage. This has been a 2 year and counting project. At different stages it will spend a few weeks out front of the garage, then disappear back in until I need the space or to fo something to it not in the garage. So glad I don't live in an HOA or a tyrannical area like this. Hopefully by next winter I am doing the final mechanical work to get it back on the road.
I had a trailer and ZTR mower stolen from my rural property. I didn't even know it was gone because I was out of town when the Sheriff called me that they'd found it on the property of a known thief. The deputy wouldn't tell me where it was to pick it up, but he told me he was going to tow it back to my property in his Sheriff truck but when I had my kids check the next couple days, it never came back. So I called the Sheriff's office and they told me they had it impounded. It cost me 600 dollars to get it from impound. Even stolen vehicle recovery is a huge moneymaker for friends' of the County and, presumably, backdoored to the County as well.
My city does this. Last Christmas someone from the city wearing a police-like uniform (but she insisted she was *not* an officer) placed an orange tag on a car on our lot on December 23rd. It was parked behind a registered and operable vehicle, and this dumb ***** was even threatening to tow the operable vehicle to get at the inoperable one. She never even came to our door; I know because I work from home. She instead went to the neighbor who said we were "on vacation", and this idiot ***** had the gall to get angry at us. The city's laws say that it doesn't matter if you cover it, hide it, or do anything else to it. If someone can see the vehicle from public property and it's unregistered, they can tow it. I agree with Steve that these laws should be declared un-Constitutional. I hope this lawsuit succeeds.
The city of Sachse Texas still tries that crap. They have a old dog catcher who tries it now. The dog catcher was related to the police chief. Nepotism at it's finest.
Going on in our small OK town now - ACO actually tried to get a little dog out of a front yard while the owner was standing there - because it was not on a leash; also knocked on a door wanting possession of a dog from owners (it was inside the house) because it had got out 2x and was a 'nuisance' animal. ACO is father or FIL of police chief.
Something similar just happened to our neighbors. Their case is a little different though. Because in their case, The city is telling them. Not that they can't store their own car, in the yard or street or driveway etc. But telling them they cant store it in their own garage. After city officials went onto/in the property without a warrant and "discovered" the car in the garage. Which to my pro-se self, seems to be a blatant fourth amendment violation. 😂
even if theres a HOA (im not from the US for the record), i doubt they can just stuble onto the property and look inside some1s garage@@volkswagenginetta
Are you cop? If not, how are you going to speak on a subject you know nothing about? Every single law enforcement encounter is going to be unique and there could be a good reason why they don't have tags. If stuff like that bothers you, you need to get a hobby.
@@GMfwdSpence You're acting like becoming a cop requires some knowledge of law or policy. Let's be honest here and admit that failing your ASVAB doesn't exactly grant you special knowledge.
I had an employer that a similar thing happened to - the city towed a car that was on his property, claiming that where he parked it was part of the street right-of-way. It should be noted that the company that towed and stored it was a brother-in-law of one of the city managers. He took it to court, with storage fees stacking up every day, before he won his case. The city cut him a check for $10,000 to cover everything. The tow company called him a week later to ask when he was going to come by to pick up the vehicle. "The city gave me four times what the vehicle is worth. Keep the truck."
This brings back bad memories from college when my car broke down and while saving to fix it the registration expired. They required inspection for registration which I couldn’t do since it wasn’t running. One day I come home from class and there are people from the city in my driveway lifting the car cover off the car to check the plates for registration. Being naive I complied and was forced to have the car towed off for scrap. Wish I knew then what I know now and could have fought these tyrants.
Had a similar but not nearly as bad thing happen to me in college. Someone stole my battery, was brand new too and for a college student that was a lot of money. Police came out to look at it and effectively said there was nothing they could do for me (fair enough). Also said I was illegally parked, street parking was only M,W,F and this was Tuesday so I had to be parked on an avenue. I said I knew that, but there's this little problem of somebody stole my battery after I legally parked my car there yesterday and I can't start the car to move it. Cop suggested I get a few friends to push the car to legal parking or I'd get a ticket when traffic enforcement came by. He said he could tell them to give the car a pass today but he wouldn't, because I had plenty of time to get a battery or move the car before they came by. Right, I'll just skip a couple classes and walk the mile to the nearest auto parts store and grunt a heavy battery back that same mile. So sorry to have disturbed you officer.
I have to deal with this every year. Thankfully they haven't towed anything away yet, but I get letters often. I work 4 jobs and am still quite poor. My property is a reflection of a time when I wasn't poor. So I will sell stuff when I want to. I keep things tidy and mowed.
It seems, even here in Canada, the only laws that get enforced are the ones that involve some form of government collecting cash from someone that they can force to pay. If you have no money to pay fines then you can do whatever you want and no one will bother you.
This is happening to my neighbor right now. He's going through a tough time and can't get his 3rd car fixed. City put a notice and can tow it after the notice expires. It doesn't look derelict, it's just sitting there.
@@mexicanspec LOL! Clever 😉. Yes, I've been wrenching for nearly 20 years, offered to fix it for him free of charge. He just needs the parts. We've become good friends.
In my area, the county code says unregistered or undriveable cars must be garaged. I learned about this the hard way, when I decided to do an engine swap in my driveway. I live on a back street, and most of my driveway is hidden from the road. But a nosy neighbor called code enforcement, out of spite. Some people are just a-holes.
Not many people bother to read city code. Equally interesting is state administrative code, which is meant to instruct state workers on the details of how to administer the primary state code. Some wise-ass used that back-door to hold vehicle owners responsible for 3 years of back-registration on vehicles for periods of time when you didn't even own them! Sneaky bastards!
I once worked at a company that had leased a van to haul people to a long-running job that wound up being cancelled. So the van became a permanent fixture in the back of the (private property) parking lot for years and the registration was allowed to lapse. Visible from the street but probably 100' inside the line. The city said register it or lose it. I didnt see how it was their business.
I remember someone in my town had an old Car on their property with a 4 sale sign on it. The 4 sale sign was the only way to keep the car on their property. The only way an unregistered car can be on your property is if it is for sale.
My city recently passed an ordinance that defines cars with an expired registration as 'junked', and eventually subject to removal by the city at the owner's expense, although they first fine $50, then an unspecified number of $100 fines, and a series of notices. My city uses the sole characteristic of "lack of current registration" to define "junked", with the reasoning that because it would be illegal to drive it off a private property, and onto public streets, (via state code $87.50 fine), and that renders it "inoperable". They do 'allow' garage, behind opaque 6' fence, or tightly wrapped with cloth cover. This ordinance catches in its net, anyone who forgets, or simply hasn't yet affixed a current registration sticker to their vehicle's plate.
I had a boss once who had 30 cars in his yard... only 2 ran. I can see why a city doesn't want a residential yard to become a scrap yard. If you have 1 car that isn't running.. and not registered, that is a whole other issue. As long as a car isn't on a public road, it shouldn't be anyone's business.
too bad for the city, this is my country not some city officials, in my city they tried that with an elderly lady and she was armed, needless to say they backed off reeel quick. she was 85 and didnt care about reprecussions.
@@SmokingCats My old boss did buy cheep land in the desert to store his cars. with nobody around. Someone else bought the land next to his built a house and made him remove his car collection. (Its his fault, he assumed nobody would say anything)
Im in NE Ohio in a rural county. My town has a law that ALL vehicles including ones you arent driving, MUST have current license plates and be insured! Even on private property! Boats and campers arent allowed on your property. You must rent space at a designated storage facility. My neighbors behind me called the city on me because we were letting the grass on the small slope of our property to revert to nature. We wanted to provide refuge for the numerous bunnies in our area. Mostly to hide from my dogs. There were all kinds of wildflowers, no litter, and yet the law dept sent me a registered letter threatening me with legal action. I know this was revenge from a neighbor. THE SMALLER THE TOWN THE STRONGER THE VENGEANCE.
Years ago, my mother received a citation for an 'inoperable vehicle' that was parked in her driveway next to the garage. The car was in great shape, except for the 2 flat tires. She also had another vehicle that she drove daily, which was parked behind (closer to the street) in the driveway. When she had enough money, she was to replace all the tires. The car was licensed and insured, but they still gave her a ticket! She paid the ticket and got the tires inflated just to end the harrassment.
I recall a code enforcement officer from the city where I live actually lifting up a car cover to see if it had a plate. I thought wow that was some BS as to me that was a search and a warrant should have been obtained; as a LEO backing them up I told him that and he said “Code doesn’t need warrants”. We need court cases putting this notion down hard because this idea is quite pervasive as a lot of “Code” and “Parking” enforcement officers aren’t well trained in law, just city ordinances; today they also seem to simply be there to make $.
We used to be able to file an "affidavit of non-use" and keep up to 2 vehicles that way. 5 years ago, the city decided that not only was that not acceptable, but all vehicles must be registered and have liability insurance continuously carried as well!
This has been a problem with states and cities writing regulations with out consultation of lawyers if they are in fact legal. And that they are not abuse people's rights to take their money unlawfully without people being aware of their rights. Its good to have people like steve,and Auditors doing what they do in exposing corruption of cops,and city rules
It amazes how complicated it is to buy, register, and license car. You can register an aircraft by filling out one card (the size of a small postcard) and paying $5 - an amount that has not increased since the 1930’s. I’ve bought and sold jet aircraft, sometimes with just a handshake and no written contract. But cars? The only thing that’s worse is real estate.
It really should be a postcard, and really that simple. I agree. I can see a bit higher fee to cover the cost of the license plate, but that's about it.
This happened to me when I was living in Owosso, Mich. back in 2005. I had an 84 Mustang LX with a 5.0 V8. It was a southern car with a blown motor. I was working on replacing the engine with a rebuilt 351 Windsor along with a beefier rear end and transmission. I worked on the car in my garage, but when I was waiting on parts or money, it would sit outside beside my garage under a car cover. One day I came home from work and my car was gone, car cover included! After a phone call to the Owosso Police Dept. I learned it was towed as an "abandoned" vehicle. If I had the money to fight it, I would have, but I didn't. It ended up costing me almost $400 to get my car released back to me AFTER I registered and INSURED a car that wasn't running! I ended up selling my house and moving west to a farm house near Holland, Mi. and never returned to that corrupted city. In fact the whole damned county of Shiawassee is corrupt.
When my parents' neighbors were selling their house, dad caught some starnge guy pulled over taking pictures of our backyard. Soon after, we got a letter about our old but intact shed being a nuisance... perfectly usable shed, just sun bleached with age.
This also reminds me of someone in college who was visiting immediate family who lived within X blocks of the college where "permit was required" for street parking (so students wouldn't block residential parking). They parked 100% fully in their relative's driveway, with their relative's permission, and got ticketed. The relatives were livid that they would come and ticket someone on their property with their permission. I heard someone else parents owned a company and they had a work order for a property near the college, their employee's marked work van was ticketed/towed while they were working on the client's house. They tried to get permits to park there but were told as the vehicles were registered to the parents in a different county they couldn't get a permit. And apparently the branding of the service company all over the truck was not considered evidence it wasn't the student driving it to class. Like "how dare they work the contract they were hired and paid for near the college their kid goes to"
I started watching this and the person in the room with me became very frustrated by the actions of the city. I thought that he was going to have a stroke!
The 4th only prevents unreasonable search and seizure. They cant just show up and take things without notice. If they follow the rules they can usually seize things without much pushback fromnthe courts.
My city tried this with me. I was restoring my 1950 Chevrolet. Thus it was inoperable. They called it a "Junk Car" and didn't consider it a classic car. I went to court 4 times over this. The judge laughed at the city attorney. I won mt case.
Not related to this, but still vehicle related. In Michigan, I just fixed my old 2009 Sierra after sitting for almost 5 years and Secretary of State tried charging me over $700 for tags. I had storage insurance on it, but was not driving it and they wanted me to pay for tags from every year since it was last tagged. I was about to lose my 💩 and call an attorney, when another lady came over and pushed a couple buttons and said, "No, look. If you continue it will show what is owed. Which is $160."
@BeauZoe They really were trying to scam me, but as soon as I started losing my 💩 and picked up my phone to call an attorney, all of a sudden, they magically discovered that I only owed $170. Doesn't prove they were trying to scam me, but it is extremely suspicious.
Had our township try this shit with us and several other people. While others had their cars removed from their property, we went to the Country and found that none of what they were attempting to enforce had ever been passed into law (it was in the "planning phase"), the person sent to enforce it had no government issues ID for their job. We talked to a lawyer about some of their tactics (like driving by our house while we were walking our dogs on front of our property to try and tell us after we issues a complaint with the State Police for them trespassing on our property). The entire elected township staff was voted out in the next election after we informed more then a few people they had no grounds for the shit they pulled.
They try this under a cutesy name like "Beautify (city name)", which they think gives them the right to tell you what you can keep on your property. They tried that here in Tacoma WA. and people were up in arms. That program died a quick and quiet death. The lesson here is, don't let officials violate your property rights. If you let them, they will reach further in their power grab.
This has happened to me *several times* over 5 decades. My _"big brother"_ ain't heavy, he's just a hypocrite trying to stay ahead of our drunk uncle, _"Sam."_
Great video! I could see how a broken down heap being an eye sore. But what is the difference if it's a car you're working on compared to a car that you just haven't put on the road?
If they had no warrant, they committed not only Criminal Trespass, but also Grand Larceny, Deprivation of Rights under the Color of Law (4th, 8th and 14th Amendments), Conspiracy against Rights, Violation of Oath of Office, and probably a whole lot of other Crimes... And if they obtained a warrant under false pretense, we can add Perjury and maybe even Obstruction of Justice on top of the list. These Officials need to go to prison for this.
Same thing happened in the City of Bell in California. The City manager was bringing in about $1.8 million per year for himself. He was eventually jailed.
In my city, this kind of thing is only enforced after someone reports it. However, that report is anonymous and is not considered to be a legal 'complaint'. The city considers the initial report as an anonymous tip. The actual legal complaint is written out by an officer. You have no opportunity to confront your actual accusers (the anonymous report), which are arguably, likely, real estate agents or companies that have a financial interest in a nearby property (thereby potentially 'unclean hands'). They, and their trade organizations, use all sorts of other nefarious questionable legal tactics including lobbying for a change of a word in an ordnance from 'and' to 'or', or forcing neighborhoods to, as a collective, register as 'historic' by a mere 51% of the vote of the neighborhood, etc. All as a way to make more money on the backs of other people who are not a party to their prospective transaction.
Not sure where you are, but very similar tricks are used in most cities/towns in Massachusetts, as well. While I understand the fear of retaliation if someone being acted upon is unstable, that complaint should be public record, or attainable with a subpoena.
I recently had county officials try and do this on my family's property. The cars are on a farm, behind the barn. They are my late Aunt Ethel and Uncle Raymond's cars, and are classic cars that are not visible from the main roadway. I found the camera footage where a code enforcement official was all over the property. I went to the police department and filed a trespass complaint and brought the notice of trespass to the code enforcement office. We are county, not city, so the rules don't apply and he was on the property that is clearly posted and fenced off. He had to jump the fence to get on the property, illegally. We also got the lawyer to issue a notice of intent to sue if the trespass is violated again.
Needless to say, I got a call from the mayor to apologize. This code enforcement shit is getting out of hand.
Just remember, they're there to keep you protected.
@grouchitis they are protecting their wallets
Not all states require a warrant to inter your property.
@@grouchitis Yep, to protect you from keeping your money! And to protect them taking it from you!
@@domfer2540 In all states, we have a 4th amendment right.
Imagine having to put heavy-duty bollards and cameras in your own driveway just to protect your old project car from the city.
A friend built project cars. He had 2 going at any given time. They were behind an 8’ privacy fence and couldn’t be seen from the street.
His city cut the locks off of his gate to inspect his yard. They then tore down his driveway gates and towed both cars.
They then charged him for the destruction of his gates as well as towing and storage fees.
He is suing for 6 figures now.
Anywhere else in the world that would be a clear case of breaking and entering, followed by theft.
Edit : And extortion.
That's HOA level behavior.
If the government doesn't protect your rights it shouldn't even exist. These people can only live with themselves because they are sociopaths.
Where is, "His City"? so I can look up the court case...
@@additudeobx don't hold your breath
I have a retired elderly couple, that live across the street from me. Whose hobby it is, to call the city and police on me. For things you covered, and a pletheta more. Have had 13+ stickers with warnings placed on my items, on private property. I have full custody of 5 children, with a new addition. My yard is a giant toy box (for me as well). I do not live in an HOA, yet get harrassed and threatened regularly. The code enforcer even went so far as to call my landlord, and blatantly lie/exaggerate. What happened to the constitution? City ordanances do not trump my rights
yeah that couple would be having unfortunate things start happen to their car and property at the wee hours of the morning...
Dam kids... always causing shit.
The car is not at fault. Things have to happen to them.@@jointedlimb
YUP I AGREE .............THEY WILL STILL MESS WITH YOU ILL BET
@@jointedlimb if they were younger, I would handle it the way I should, but Ill just home karma does its job
Constitution? Wazzat? You have a president right now that has said many times "no right is forever". He wants to ABOLISH the Constitution!
I'm a sheriff in the rural Nebraska and our main city has tried to do this several times in the last few years and I told him to pound sand every time. My thoughts are you pay your property tax it's your property you should be able to do what you want with it. On the flip side you're degrading your neighbors property values by having trashy broke down cars but it's still your property.
Somehow, I think they would tow the cars even if they were new.
@@lunarvvolf9606then deal with them if they do. But you don't get to invade private property, steal private property, and then be extorted for them stealing it, just because somebody's old car might have a leak.
Please go somewhere else and beg for more government. We dont need anymore In America
@lunarvvolf9606 You fail to see its their property and not the towns or yours. Plenty of working cars on the road that leaks oil BTW.
Vehicle is a homestead castle doctrine applies to vehicle.
@@lunarvvolf9606there is difference between a private residence versus a commercial property.
Our small city did this two yrs ago to an elderly lady who was 300 miles away at a stroke rehab center. I walked by and church members were cleaning up the house, painting etc because it was thought she would eventually come back. The second vehicle was scheduled for towing (it needed work) but I was able to buy it from the daughter to give the lady some money so she wouldn't lose both assets. The city officials knew the situation. Totally despicable!
Same thing happened to a lady I knew. She was in the hospital for a cancer relapse that would eventually take her life. Now, her property wasn't pristine, but it was not in bad shape at all. Didn't stop code enforcement from threatening all kinds of fines. A bunch of people got together and cleaned up her yard, bushes, outside of the house, etc. While she never ended up making it back home, it at least gave her relief to where she wasn't worrying about fines. Meanwhile there were legitimate dilapidated properties in other parts of the city, but those people had no money or property worth stealing. They only went after people they thought could pay the fines!
That’s just awful. We have a small home in Utah and only have a 2 space drive way. In the winter we’re not allowed street parking. We have to make room for the third car in the front yard. Fines are $125
@@jblyon2 cities don't want to enforce laws on rocks in which they cannot draw blood. a property that is mostly kept up with a defenseless woman? time to milk a person who cant deal with the property for fines. Someone on welfare hasn't mowed their lawn in a year and the property is falling in on itself? would cost more to fix the issue leave him alone.
You're not allowed to own anything in the land of the fee.
Land of limited impossibilities
You will be happy :)
Even the land you own isn't yours.
Can't dig down, can't build up.
@@williamgilley7061 Property taxes should be illegal.
Land of the free, really, LMAO. Another one that bought the lie sold to him by the rulling classes.
Reminds me of my dad who used to park in the old walmart parking lot sometimes and thats where the police liked to park so they started towing his car for no reason, well after that happened 3 times he bought the old walmart building for storage and put barricades up that said no police parking lol
Chad dad
Your dad is a hero.
Our neighbours love to call code enforcers on us. Our record was 9 times in one day. My 4year old was reprimanded for stopping his pedal car to close to the lane way. Code enforcers even showed up and when asked what was the problem they stated “I don’t know what the problem is “ then proceeded to look around until they found a violation. Another time it was for me because I parked on an angle in the driveway. I figured out if you record every interaction with government “officials” and put it on RUclips for the world to see, they tend to back down quite quickly.
Canada
I collect classic cars, had some run ins with code enforcement, one time it was a city guy calling in complaints after I denied his request for a sidewalk extension easement on my land, he told me that if I did not grant the easement, that my cars would become a problem, and later that day code enforcement shows up.
That time I retaliated by finding over 100 other violations in the city, and top of the list included the former mayors home ( parks his truck on his dead lawn) current council members, commissioners, etc... I took that list to the head of code enforcement office and showed it to him. He dropped the complaint against me immediately. It usually is about ten years later they try it again, they get some new young code enforcer who doesnt know me nor my tactic, so I compile another list and go through the whole thing again. Has worked every time.
Screw this little dictators, fight them!
Bruh, i hate people like these. Trying to pick fights and find issues, and will probably act like they're innocent when confronted. People just can't leave others alone these days.
that sort of thing happens all the time with HOAs. Even worse, they fine you.
"it would interfere with us abusing our power if we were required to wear body cameras"
I once had qty8 2x4's neatly stacked in my garage. The township building inspector happened to drive by and stopped. I was around the side of the garage. He comes walking up my driveway asking if I have a building permit. I asked him for what? He said I have some construction material there and that usually means someone needs a permit. I told him I was building shelves in my shed with them eventually. He slapped me with a $500 fine for not having a permit. I took it up with the township board and they removed the fine because the paperwork did not list what kind of permit I failed to obtain. Two months later, this building inspector "retired". I wasn't the only one apparently who he had done this too either.
Cases like this hit the poorest of the poor , kicking a man when he’s at his lowest in life !
YUP THIS IS NOT RIGHT ............HOW DO WE FIX IT ???
@@gregoryfrickey1715 elect new more caring leaders in our society
If having an unlicensed vehicle was grounds for towing, they would have to also clear out all of the lots at car dealers (New AND used!) and then... Tow away all of those cars from the impound lots!
Sounds like an episode of Lizard Lick, scum on all sides of that show.
@@gregoryfrickey1715 start by making it very difficult, if not altogether impossible, for the government to make money on it. Once the profit motive is gone, a lot of the problems will go away.
Sue or otherwise complain everytime you believe your rights are violated. If you start costing them more in time and money than you're worth, they'll stop.
Push laws to make license plates permanent with a simple, reasonable one-time fee, end excise taxes, annual or bi-annual registrations and inspections.
Removal of these profit centers will remove incentive to be nuisances.
If a non tagged vehicle is a health hazard they better run down to the local dealership and get rid of dangerously untagged cars
All those government vehicles unused. Man what waste. Move those too.
@@akillercat64 YEAH! THEY LITERALLY LEAVE COP CARS ABANDONED IN CERTAIN SPOTS NEAR THE HIGHWAY!
Years ago Fort Wayne IN tried to have my dads car towed from his driveway, my dad angrily approached the tow truck driver who locked himself in his truck and called the police. So my dad (armed), me (armed), two of our neighbors (both armed) were having a bit of a stand off with 3 cops (armed). Ultimately a lieutenant showed up and said they don't have a warrant and can't take the car or be on our property, made the tow truck driver leave and apologized.
20 years later, never had an issue again.
GOOD
Kinda feel like the tow truck driver should've been arrested for attempted grand theft auto. Just because someone (incorrectly) tells you it's OK to break the law, doesn't make it OK to break the law.
@@solandri69 I would agree with you only if the arrest was expunged once it led to the person/people who issued the unlawful order sending out the tow truck driver and THEY were instead arrested and charged.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Agreed it would be unfair if the person who issued the unlawful order wasn't also punished. However, we all have a duty and responsibility to act in accordance with the law regardless of what orders we may receive from those above us. Whether it be from a parent, boss/supervisor, or government representative. Otherwise you're allowing the excuse of "just following orders" to justify crimes going unpunished. Do that, and evil people in power just need to surreptitiously slip in untraceable unlawful orders to accomplish their goals, without fear of reprisal. People need to understand that they have to think about the orders they're given, instead of just following them blindly.
Our country needs a LOT MORE of this!
Some years ago in New York state, I learned that some govt. entity was apparently flying over the entire county doing aerial photography on a periodic basis. They were thus able to spot cars that were stationary over a long term.
It didn't matter to them that the cars were located on a large property well away from the gaze of any public going by on the highway. The property owner would then be issued a warning to either register and license the car(s), or face further action. (Any cars not visible to the eyeball in the sky were not pursued.)
There are some govt. types who need to be permanently removed from any "public service."
Things like this and civil asset forfeiture are the very tyrannical government actions we kicked out back in 1783. Maybe again?
You voted for it. You can vote it out.
@@donixion4368 quit being naive. They don't let anyone that won't play ball on the ballots these days
Problem is you can't get 2 people to agree on anything together, but I hear you loud and clear.
Except the British government doesn't do CAF unless you've been convicted, and those assets are proceeds of crime; and they cannot come on your property to steal vehicles that you own whether registered/insured or not.
Yes, but then the people contracted their God given rights away in exchange for government privileges and civil rights by becoming a U.S. citizen. Fix your contracts, become a State Citizen to restore your God given rights.
My town did the same thing. I have a gravel parking spot behind my house. Parked my (registered and inspected) car there. They kept sending me letters about my "abandoned" car. Nothing was wrong with it, it was just old. They ignored all my arguments and kept threatening to tow it.
So I started parking it on the public street in front of my house. They can't do anything about that since the registration and inspection are current. But on my property suddenly they can just take it because it's "abandonded".
Government is out of control.
My city will invoke the "approved surface" clause, which in my book is over the line of 'reasonable'.
my city tried that because a new neighbor didn't like seeing my old car in my back yard so city came and tagged it to be towed if it wasn't moved or licensed within 10 days so I loaded it on my licensed car trailer and left it parked in the same spot, city came back and said they were going to tow it because it wasn't licensed so I showed the guy the current plate and registration of the trailer and said "what's the issue?" he replied...you have a point and gave me a complaint satisfied receipt and left. After that I purposely stacked as much crap as I could on that trailer just to be petty...
Hopefully you filed a complaint against uour neighbor for harassment along with the bylaws they were breaking
Neighbors like that end up in the desert, somehow.
I did the very same thing, left my racecar parked on the trailer just to piss them off.
@@KILLKING110 lol. Harassment is a crime. Is he supposed to go to the police and be like "yeah, my neighbor complained to the city and I didn't like it, go arrest him"?
@@notjohn439 Nah, just chill and serve up a beverage....Molotov Cocktails are good for any season or occasion.....
I met a man who lived quite a bit off the road get a DUI because the police saw brake lights on a parked car in the driveway and investigated. The owner of the house had done a wine and cheese party to raise rinds for a non profit. After the party was over he wanted to listen to music but didn't want to wake his kids up and listened to music in his car. The engine had not been started but they gave him a dui because the keys were in the front and he had the potential to drive. He fought it and lost. To me this was just a money grab by the police since each dui nets the country about 15k.
How did he lose? Did the cops lie under oath? If not, there is *definitely* a reasonable doubt.
@@nnelg8139are you a lawyer?
@@mem1701movies no, but I know enough to say there is HELLA reasonable doubt if there is no evidence of him having been on the road. If I was on a jury given these facts, I'd aquit for sure.
What are the DUI laws on private property?
@@nnelg8139 he was well off and had fought it and lost. He was in DUI class when I heard the story. As I understand it there are two agencies involved. DMV and the police . Beating both is tougher than you think. I am not a lawyer but knew someone in the class. I guess it depends on how the laws are written.
Man, the state just can't abide private property.
You got a license for that freedom, boy?
even though you pay property taxes through the roof!
thats why theyre trying to make it a thing of the past
STATE BULLIES OUT OF CONTROLL
The only privacy the state likes is it's own. And we are forced to pay for their club houses.
I had an antique truck, owned by my family since new, backed into my driveway. Was complete, but the motor needed to be rebuilt. I got turned into the township because it had to be inspected! I had to sell it, because I didn’t have enough money to get it done and had no place to put it. I told them I’d cover it. They said no. As I drive around the township, I see cars parked with covers on them, but these people are not the ones who turned me in. The township only goes after people when someone complains. I know who did it and am biding my time.
until officials personally pay a price for stuff like this it's just gonna keep happening . there's no down side for them at all worst case scenario we the citizens pay the judgment against them when they get sued .
They should pay with their lives.
Exactly, that's what I hate about this. The government agents get off free and clear every time. So with no repercussions to them personally they are always looking for ways to control people and steal their money no matter what the constitution says.
@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 They should have to compete in The Free Market. Government does more harm than good.
OUT OF CONTROLL GOVT,....GOONS
They were just doing what they were told. Where have I heard that before?
I grew up in south St. Louis. We had a neighborhood organization run by a catholic sisterhood. Carondelet Community Betterment Association. The leader hated me building cars in my mom's backyard. She demanded I join her cult and pay a monthly fee like a business would. She sent an inspector to the house. He never knocked on a door jumped the locked gate and lifted a car cover to check for plates. I was given a 500.00 dollar fine and a court date. When I got my turn to speak. I told the judge the circumstance with included pictures of other car "illegally packed cars" I asked how many of those addresses where cited. I went on to tell the judge the car had a cover and was behind a locked double drive gate. I was found not guilty. The CCBF was told to stop trespassing on private property. This was a win for every car nut in my neighborhood. City Court mid 1980s.
Years ago, my parents were trying to sell my recently deceased grandmother's car and it was sitting on our front yard. The town gave them a warning stating that any vehicles had to be parked on "hottop" or in a obvious driveway (to cover for dirt driveways). So my parents got 4 pieces of broken up hottop and parked all 4 wheels on a piece.
Needless to say, the town was pissed but there was nothing they could do. The next year that bylaw was changed to be more specific.
Whats a Hottop?
@@monkstandinglast Ashphalt, or in this case, a chunk or clump of ashphalt! A perfect solution for a bureaucrat with a mindless mindset. Figure the chunk is six inches by ten inches.
NOW THE CITY WILL MAKE A LAW TO MESS WITH YOU ????
AMERICA ....LAND OF THE FREE????
My father was a nut. He welded a 500 gallon propane tank to the frame of an old car. The idea being he could pull it into the field to refuel his propane tractor. That was a stupid idea on so many levels.
He dies and my mother needs to buy propane. She buys it from place A once. Next year, place B has a better deal. Place A comes out thinking they had a solid customer. He was pissed she'd bought propane from someone else and not him even though she owed him nothing.
He turned her in for that tank being on a car frame and caused a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, I'm trying to be the good son who lives a couple of states away. I discover there's a national gas code of sorts. I looked it up, called whatever agency in the state and asked him if my proposal would satisfy the letter of the law. Yes.
Propane company A wanted to charge to have that tank cut off that frame. However, by simply raising each wheel up and putting a patio block under it, it satisfied the law requirement. A week later and BIL up there, jacked up the tank enough corner by corner and put a concrete patio block under it. Problem solved.
Absolutely sick of government stealing our money and telling us what we can and can't do.
Some farms don't have registered "cars" trucks that are driven, but never leave the property.
I have a plow truck like that. Plow a 1/2 mile private road. Hasn't touched pavement since the day I brought it home.
Farms have all kinds of motorized equipment that aren't registered because they are never on the roads, from tractors to stake trucks to combines. And some of them need repair and won't run at all. I know of one tracked backhoe that I'd be happy if the county would confiscate it.
It could be all, but I don't have that info. So I used some but under the guidelines it represents all in general consensus that the fact remains that this farming has to have these vehicles and since they never hit the black top or even concrete where the average Joe normally walks or drives should be related to that these vehicles don't need because they don't have to be where they would normally be to be registered.
NYS law says your ATV/UTV must be registered even if used exclusively on your property/farm. Why? Revenue!
@@danburch9989 unfortunately this is a government trying to do a money grab. It's up to the citizens to say sorry.
This must be this "freedom" thing that America is so well known for.. not even being allowed to park your own cars on your own property. City officials, HOAs, police.. I'm getting the impression that everyone else has more jurisdiction about stuff you own than yourself by now.
You misspelt freedom . There no 'r' in it
City commits grand theft auto... and doesn't get immediately subject to police action... insane..
YOU WILL BE DRAGGED OVER CATUS BY WILD HORSES !...........ER DO THEY STILL DO THAT ???
This happened to me years ago. Had an old Suburban I was restoring. Had the truck parked in a parking spot next to my garage on my back alley. After a police chase through my yard, it was apparently determined that my Resto truck had a registraion lapse. New plates and stickers were in my house, as we had a theft problem in the neighborhood (see above police chase incident). Was out of town on Military duty, recieved a letter on Saturday evening stating I had until Monday at 0800 or else they were going to fine me, jail me, and fine me for removal costs. Ended up sending a driveable vehicle to the scrap yard for $200 because I couldnt afford to be arrested and lose my job. Whitehall ohio can bite my ass.
they cannot arrest you for that, you should have let them and let the military persue charges on the city, it is unconstitutuional.
I've heard Ohio can be especially viscous about this due to their laws. I remember reading a column about it in the now-defunct Cars & Parts Magazine in the late 1990s.
Wow, I live downtown Columbus, I didn’t know it was that bad in Whitehall
Its a good thing the government is there to keep us safe and not simply see how much of our money they can help themselves to.
Civil Asset Forfeiture has entered the chat...
The government working for us probably died in the 70s. Now it's just become obvious because beer and Pizza are now more expensive.
Hahaha!!!!! 😆😆I'll bet you said that with a straight face too!!! Hilarious!!!
"the government" is a very vague term, It makes it sound like the federal government got involved. Say what it is, the local government.
@@HammerStudioGames Doesn't matter. In the words of Founding Father Thomas Payne, "Government is, at best, a necessary evil, and at worst an intolerable one." That's wh I'm a Libertarian.
I am so sick of government overreach and then ultimately suffering no consequences .
Man imagine being a car dealership in that city and coming in one morning and seeing all of your inventory missing.
lol
@@deborahcollis9814 It's funny until you remember an armored money transfer truck got CAFed.
They pay tons in taxes so they are allowed.
Exactly what I thought of when I saw this video. Knowing how corrupt some central state city governments can be, I wouldn't be surprised if that has happened before.
@@drozcompany4132 they do not, you pay your own sales tax on cars in Missouri.
I learned to work on cars with my dad in the front yard in the 80's. I have been a mechanic for 25+ years. I raise 6 kids with my skills learned in the front yard.
The city will make money on the unclaimed cars when auctioned.
The #1 problem this country has is a nose problem. Sticking your nose in your neighbors business.
Steve Lehto, hopefully you will do a follow up on this lawsuit. chances are that city will win, and prove once again that there is no such thing as private property in ussa
Chances are, if Steve Lehto receives news of an update, Steve Lehto will cover it....
Courts in this country now are a jthey. Will get continuances and where you down make you higher lawyers, etc. It turned and they will still win.
Learned helplessness Is what it is
That is supposed to read courts are a joke.
The city I lived in when this happened to me had a city ordinance that prohibited unregistered cars only because of one guy in town that had cars all over town in empty lots, and were a nasty nuisance. However they used that law on myself and others that liked older cars and restored older cars. They had to come onto my property to see my cars, they were not visible from the street, and threatened to write fines and tow the vehicles if not removed. I moved them and covered them completely in a way that they were not recognized as a car, and they left me alone. However from my own property, I could see another property that has abandoned school busses used for storage and abandoned cars that the city wasn't concerned about. When I pointed them out, they passed it off as a non issue, and refused to do anything about it. Selective application of an ordinance.
I knew it was from the St. Louis area. I believe it was 2010ish charges were brought against a towing company that was towing any vehicle they felt like(including mine) from private property and city streets for the 7-8 years prior. The ensuing legal process revealed kickbacks to a particular St. Louis City manager, who was forced to resign but not sure if he faced charges himself.
KICK BACKS .....WELL THAT EXPLANES IT $$$$ WELL
In New Orleans is was obvious Mud City was towing just for contents and not the entitled vehicles. Bags of money or drugs, a laptop, etc.
Our neighborhood has such small carports that most of us have to park partially on the grass/rocks nearby. I'm so glad that our city isn't this nitpicky.
There is no difference in civil code vs criminal code when the punishment is exactly the same. Just a BS way of them bypassing your rights.
You knmow they all took oaths to protect you from bs like this. 😂😂
@@YoungGirlz8463they wipe their ass with that oath all the time
Wrong !!
Happened to relatives of mine. Small community, under 1800 people, passed a local ordinance. Non-running and unregistered cars outdoors had to be behind solid fences. They towed off 2 to 3 vehicles behind wire fences. My relatives didn't bother to get the vehicles back. They weren't worth much money.
This in a dead end town in a lot with a tin barn...next to no house. In a town with little to no hopes of attracting ANYTHING, they decide to make trouble for the few people who live in the area. Busy bodies or greedy. Either way, the mayor and city council should've been run out of town.
This has happened to me 3 times about 15 years ago. I eventually lost 2 different work trucks. The first time it cost me $2500 to get my bucket trunk back because I couldn't find where it was hauled to for storage about 30 days. The next time it was actually at a machinics house and lost a chip truck, bucket truck and bobcat. Never got them back. Thank you city of Kannapolis, NC
Good for you not going postal. 👍
@@YoungGirlz8463 No not good as he need to go postal as the only thing that will stop government from doing this kind of thing is when the ones in charge are ended every time something like this happens.
@@DeathlordSlavik Exactly, some deletions for violating the 4th amendment is what's needed.
And that's how you get armor plated dozers driving through town.
“DUE COURSE OF LAW”: This phrase is synonymous with “DUE PROCESS OF LAW” or “LAW OF THE LAND” and means law
in its regular course of administration through courts of justice. Kansas Pac. Ry. Co. v. Dunmeyer 19 KA 542.
Property Seizure requires:
FIRST: A trial by jury with sworn Affidavits from an injured party; NOT summary proceedings.
SECOND: A Warrant with a wet-ink signature of a Judge; NOT a stamp or clerk’s signature.
THIRD: A sworn Affidavit by an injured party and/or witness to a crime.
Without these THREE (3) steps, property cannot be legally seized; and, when the Sheriff or Marshal executes a Warrant
without ALL of the aforementioned prerequisites, the Sheriff or Marshal becomes liable; and, a conspirator in a crime.
“AMENDMENT V of the Constitution of the United States provides: ‘No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or
property without DUE PROCESS OF LAW.’ A similar provision exists in all the state constitutions; the phrases ‘DUE COURSE
OF LAW’ and the ‘LAW OF THE LAND’ are sometimes used; but, all three (3) of these phrases have the same meaning; and,
that applies conformity with the ancient and customary laws of the English people or laws indicated by parliament.”
Davidson v. New Orleans 96 U.S. 97, 24, L Ed 616.
“...no man shall be deprived of his property without being heard in his own defense.” Kinney v. Beverly, 2 Hen. & M (VA).
AMENDMENT IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable
searches and seizures shall not be violated; and, NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE BUT UPON PROBABLE CAUSE, SUPPORTED BY
OATH OR AFFIRMATION; and, particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or THINGS TO BE SEIZED.
All tyranny begins as petty righteousness. Which leads to outrage, which leads to totalitarianism. And it often begins with local governance.
If you want to find a car that is not registered or inspected properly, look no further than the municipal vehicles. Towns, cities and states are notorious scofflaws when it comes to motor vehicles!
This is the truth. I got rearend-ed by a 20 something in a city Dpw truck. Had no insurance wasn’t registered or insured. Just about lost my freedom that day😂
Regarding registration... When I bought my first car in 1969, I went to register it. I was told I couldn't register it until I had insurance. So I went to my folks agent. He told me he couldn't insure it until I registered it. I told the agent I could not believe I was the first person in the history of NC to have this problem. He finally sold me the insurance. I changed agents as soon as it was registered.
Steve you hit the nail on the head: FOLLOW the MONEY that is the key. Literally anyone can interpret any Code Enforcement Violation 7 different ways if Money is involved and who or whom is supporting the Code Enforcement Officer to pursue these cases.
why are they codes and not laws?
I live in the St. Louis area and had not heard of Calverton Park. Looked them up and it appears to be a tiny municipality that's about 10 blocks by 10 blocks. It's just one of those tiny cities that probably makes all it's money from tickets.
"The object of all despotism is revenue." -- Thomas Paine
The constant barrage of this sort of abuse by local government demonstrates that the Constitution is a dead letter and apparently a lot of government lawyers didn't even get an inkling what the Constitution is about.
Why even have rights. You're not getting your life back.
YUP
YUP
they did this in RI, they toed my car to a shady lot , there was no actual traffic violation , but in theory I need to register the car to keep it , so I go get INSURANCE and register the car, they didnt and could not charge me for the tow. Its insane , I went down to the DMV and almost got arrested for citing the fourth amendment .
We are under occupation !
They also now fine you hundreds for not having insurance on your registration automatically, so you have to keep the insurance or they will send you some automatic fine!
The way I view it, the city could also be charged with "Theft of Private Property" & "Extortion".
My neighbor had a car in his backyard that wasn’t running but it was registered. The city sent him a notice demanding he demonstrate the car was operational. He had to pay to have it fixed so he could show the city it was operational so he could keep it in his backyard. I told him I didn’t understand why that mattered and I would have asked the city to get a warrant.
That's not an unlicensed vehicle, it's art, now it's a 1st ammendment violation! Read about the guy and the toilets in his yard, he sued and won.
That's also gonna be a 4th ammendment violation, they can't seize property just because they can make money.
I'm glad I don't live next to the guy with toilets in his front yard. Give me a break.
Civil asset forfeiture says the police can seize your property just to make money.
Something similar happened to a guy I met. He had a large tree in his front yard with about a 3 foot diameter trunk. A wind storm toppled it, so he cut off all the branches and disposed of them, but left the trunk in his yard. He lives in a fancy bedroom community that’s a small city enveloped by a major city. The strict police force came by and told him he needed to get rid of it or otherwise face fines until he does. He told them no and that he’s keeping it as garden art. They hassled him a few times about it, but when the weather changed he planted a bunch of flowers surrounding it and it’s actually quite a lovely garden, and now they leave him alone.
I had a Nascar circle track racecar in my detached garage behind my house. My garage door opener broke, so I rolled the car out on to the driveway so I could replace the broken opener. A crazy old neighbor called code enforcement and they told me I couldn't have an unlicensed car in my driveway, even if it clearly was a purpose-built functional racecar which the state did not issue licenses for. The neighbor called it an eye sore, which really ticked me off because I had one of the best-looking cars at the track. I then loaded the car on to my licensed open trailer that raised the car so it was very clearly visible over our fence, and parked it there for months. He couldn't help but to see it every time he went outside or looked out his bedroom window. He called code enforcement 37 times and even called a city council woman his wife knew. The code guys had to respond to each complaint even knowing they couldn't do anything about it, we got to know each other on a first name basis. Since the race car was parked on my licensed trailer and not on my driveway, I was legal. This happened in Jacksonville, Fl several years ago.
Meanwhile I had an old bus in my backyard that I could not get rid of as it came with the property and had no title. The city had a provision for abondened vehicles on private property where they would come tow it off. However when reported to them they did nothing. They would not come get it. But lord forbid that I put a tire on my grass they would give me a violation for parking on an unimproved surface. I even removed the fence so that the bus sitting in the back yard was visable from the street. They would not cite me for parking it on an unimproved surface since I had already reported it as an abandoned vehicle, but they did continue to cite me for parking my other vehicles with the tires touching the grass.
They only care if they can fine you, but if it is going to cost them money they somehow can't see the violation.
YOU ARE SOPPUSED TO SMOKE THE GRASS NOT PARK ON IT.......................ERRRRR
Offer to sell it as "scrap" to a scrapyard for a single dollar ($1) with their expense of picking it up.
How can they come on private property? It’s private? It’s your property!! What a bunch of thieves!!
I am putting a 62 MGA back together while repairing damage.
This has been a 2 year and counting project. At different stages it will spend a few weeks out front of the garage, then disappear back in until I need the space or to fo something to it not in the garage.
So glad I don't live in an HOA or a tyrannical area like this.
Hopefully by next winter I am doing the final mechanical work to get it back on the road.
I had a trailer and ZTR mower stolen from my rural property. I didn't even know it was gone because I was out of town when the Sheriff called me that they'd found it on the property of a known thief. The deputy wouldn't tell me where it was to pick it up, but he told me he was going to tow it back to my property in his Sheriff truck but when I had my kids check the next couple days, it never came back. So I called the Sheriff's office and they told me they had it impounded. It cost me 600 dollars to get it from impound. Even stolen vehicle recovery is a huge moneymaker for friends' of the County and, presumably, backdoored to the County as well.
As a former local health sanitarian, I can tell you folks are quite creative when pointing out, in a complaint, what a health hazard is.
"Yes, last time it rained there was standing water in a depression in their yard for FOUR HOURS! That's a mosquito breeding ground! Fine them!"
being a nosey complaining neighbour is definitely a health hazard.
My city does this. Last Christmas someone from the city wearing a police-like uniform (but she insisted she was *not* an officer) placed an orange tag on a car on our lot on December 23rd. It was parked behind a registered and operable vehicle, and this dumb ***** was even threatening to tow the operable vehicle to get at the inoperable one. She never even came to our door; I know because I work from home. She instead went to the neighbor who said we were "on vacation", and this idiot ***** had the gall to get angry at us. The city's laws say that it doesn't matter if you cover it, hide it, or do anything else to it. If someone can see the vehicle from public property and it's unregistered, they can tow it. I agree with Steve that these laws should be declared un-Constitutional. I hope this lawsuit succeeds.
The city of Sachse Texas still tries that crap. They have a old dog catcher who tries it now. The dog catcher was related to the police chief. Nepotism at it's finest.
Going on in our small OK town now - ACO actually tried to get a little dog out of a front yard while the owner was standing there - because it was not on a leash; also knocked on a door wanting possession of a dog from owners (it was inside the house) because it had got out 2x and was a 'nuisance' animal. ACO is father or FIL of police chief.
Something similar just happened to our neighbors. Their case is a little different though. Because in their case, The city is telling them. Not that they can't store their own car, in the yard or street or driveway etc. But telling them they cant store it in their own garage. After city officials went onto/in the property without a warrant and "discovered" the car in the garage. Which to my pro-se self, seems to be a blatant fourth amendment violation. 😂
Any kind of hoa for this area?
even if theres a HOA (im not from the US for the record), i doubt they can just stuble onto the property and look inside some1s garage@@volkswagenginetta
What bothers me the most is that when police encounter an unregistered car on the road, they only issue a ticket, then let it drive off.
About 1 in 20 cars I see nowadays don't even have license plates. They don't care about it being registered, they just want it if they can get it.
I didn't realize my registration expired once. My car was towed and I was charged with driving an unregistered vehicle.
Are you cop? If not, how are you going to speak on a subject you know nothing about? Every single law enforcement encounter is going to be unique and there could be a good reason why they don't have tags. If stuff like that bothers you, you need to get a hobby.
@@GMfwdSpence You're acting like becoming a cop requires some knowledge of law or policy. Let's be honest here and admit that failing your ASVAB doesn't exactly grant you special knowledge.
They just want the money. If you get a ticket, they get money. If you register your car, they get money. It's BS.
Civil asset forfeiture is an injustice against people who actually have money, this is an injustice against many people who don’t have any money!
I had an employer that a similar thing happened to - the city towed a car that was on his property, claiming that where he parked it was part of the street right-of-way. It should be noted that the company that towed and stored it was a brother-in-law of one of the city managers. He took it to court, with storage fees stacking up every day, before he won his case. The city cut him a check for $10,000 to cover everything.
The tow company called him a week later to ask when he was going to come by to pick up the vehicle. "The city gave me four times what the vehicle is worth. Keep the truck."
Sometimes you win. Even on accident.
This brings back bad memories from college when my car broke down and while saving to fix it the registration expired. They required inspection for registration which I couldn’t do since it wasn’t running. One day I come home from class and there are people from the city in my driveway lifting the car cover off the car to check the plates for registration. Being naive I complied and was forced to have the car towed off for scrap. Wish I knew then what I know now and could have fought these tyrants.
Had a similar but not nearly as bad thing happen to me in college. Someone stole my battery, was brand new too and for a college student that was a lot of money. Police came out to look at it and effectively said there was nothing they could do for me (fair enough). Also said I was illegally parked, street parking was only M,W,F and this was Tuesday so I had to be parked on an avenue. I said I knew that, but there's this little problem of somebody stole my battery after I legally parked my car there yesterday and I can't start the car to move it. Cop suggested I get a few friends to push the car to legal parking or I'd get a ticket when traffic enforcement came by. He said he could tell them to give the car a pass today but he wouldn't, because I had plenty of time to get a battery or move the car before they came by. Right, I'll just skip a couple classes and walk the mile to the nearest auto parts store and grunt a heavy battery back that same mile. So sorry to have disturbed you officer.
Unconcionable bullying by the government.
This case need to be filed in federal court against the city as a civil rights violation.
I have to deal with this every year. Thankfully they haven't towed anything away yet, but I get letters often. I work 4 jobs and am still quite poor. My property is a reflection of a time when I wasn't poor. So I will sell stuff when I want to.
I keep things tidy and mowed.
It seems, even here in Canada, the only laws that get enforced are the ones that involve some form of government collecting cash from someone that they can force to pay. If you have no money to pay fines then you can do whatever you want and no one will bother you.
This is happening to my neighbor right now. He's going through a tough time and can't get his 3rd car fixed. City put a notice and can tow it after the notice expires. It doesn't look derelict, it's just sitting there.
Are the neighbors helping him out?
@@mexicanspec LOL! Clever 😉. Yes, I've been wrenching for nearly 20 years, offered to fix it for him free of charge. He just needs the parts. We've become good friends.
That is good to hear.@@BigBrotherIsTooBig
In my area, the county code says unregistered or undriveable cars must be garaged. I learned about this the hard way, when I decided to do an engine swap in my driveway. I live on a back street, and most of my driveway is hidden from the road. But a nosy neighbor called code enforcement, out of spite. Some people are just a-holes.
Not many people bother to read city code. Equally interesting is state administrative code, which is meant to instruct state workers on the details of how to administer the primary state code. Some wise-ass used that back-door to hold vehicle owners responsible for 3 years of back-registration on vehicles for periods of time when you didn't even own them! Sneaky bastards!
Citing for profit. If a city can fabricate an offense to make money, they will.
Hi again Steve, a vehicle not being driven is a benefit to public health as it emits no 0.000000 EMISIONS
One of my most favorite channels on here. I feel like I learn something new every day by watching you.
I once worked at a company that had leased a van to haul people to a long-running job that wound up being cancelled. So the van became a permanent fixture in the back of the (private property) parking lot for years and the registration was allowed to lapse. Visible from the street but probably 100' inside the line. The city said register it or lose it. I didnt see how it was their business.
I remember someone in my town had an old Car on their property with a 4 sale sign on it. The 4 sale sign was the only way to keep the car on their property. The only way an unregistered car can be on your property is if it is for sale.
nice
Good to know.
My city recently passed an ordinance that defines cars with an expired registration as 'junked', and eventually subject to removal by the city at the owner's expense, although they first fine $50, then an unspecified number of $100 fines, and a series of notices. My city uses the sole characteristic of "lack of current registration" to define "junked", with the reasoning that because it would be illegal to drive it off a private property, and onto public streets, (via state code $87.50 fine), and that renders it "inoperable". They do 'allow' garage, behind opaque 6' fence, or tightly wrapped with cloth cover.
This ordinance catches in its net, anyone who forgets, or simply hasn't yet affixed a current registration sticker to their vehicle's plate.
Translation: we're broke and need to shake down more people.
I had a boss once who had 30 cars in his yard... only 2 ran. I can see why a city doesn't want a residential yard to become a scrap yard. If you have 1 car that isn't running.. and not registered, that is a whole other issue. As long as a car isn't on a public road, it shouldn't be anyone's business.
too bad for the city, this is my country not some city officials, in my city they tried that with an elderly lady and she was armed, needless to say they backed off reeel quick. she was 85 and didnt care about reprecussions.
I AGREE
@@SmokingCats My old boss did buy cheep land in the desert to store his cars. with nobody around. Someone else bought the land next to his built a house and made him remove his car collection. (Its his fault, he assumed nobody would say anything)
Im in NE Ohio in a rural county. My town has a law that ALL vehicles including ones you arent driving, MUST have current license plates and be insured! Even on private property! Boats and campers arent allowed on your property. You must rent space at a designated storage facility. My neighbors behind me called the city on me because we were letting the grass on the small slope of our property to revert to nature. We wanted to provide refuge for the numerous bunnies in our area. Mostly to hide from my dogs. There were all kinds of wildflowers, no litter, and yet the law dept sent me a registered letter threatening me with legal action. I know this was revenge from a neighbor. THE SMALLER THE TOWN THE STRONGER THE VENGEANCE.
Years ago, my mother received a citation for an 'inoperable vehicle' that was parked in her driveway next to the garage. The car was in great shape, except for the 2 flat tires. She also had another vehicle that she drove daily, which was parked behind (closer to the street) in the driveway. When she had enough money, she was to replace all the tires. The car was licensed and insured, but they still gave her a ticket! She paid the ticket and got the tires inflated just to end the harrassment.
I recall a code enforcement officer from the city where I live actually lifting up a car cover to see if it had a plate. I thought wow that was some BS as to me that was a search and a warrant should have been obtained; as a LEO backing them up I told him that and he said “Code doesn’t need warrants”. We need court cases putting this notion down hard because this idea is quite pervasive as a lot of “Code” and “Parking” enforcement officers aren’t well trained in law, just city ordinances; today they also seem to simply be there to make $.
We used to be able to file an "affidavit of non-use" and keep up to 2 vehicles that way. 5 years ago, the city decided that not only was that not acceptable, but all vehicles must be registered and have liability insurance continuously carried as well!
I had "sitting" insurance on a car that I didn't drive for a couple of years.
And the city's takes a cut of the registration and insurance fees, it's just a way to generate money
Good thing cities have no law making authority huh?
@@zacknelson8918 and they'll ticket your car in your driveway for expired plates/no insurance!
GOVT OUT OF CONTROLL ........WOW WHAT NEXT?
This has been a problem with states and cities writing regulations with out consultation of lawyers if they are in fact legal. And that they are not abuse people's rights to take their money unlawfully without people being aware of their rights. Its good to have people like steve,and Auditors doing what they do in exposing corruption of cops,and city rules
It amazes how complicated it is to buy, register, and license car. You can register an aircraft by filling out one card (the size of a small postcard) and paying $5 - an amount that has not increased since the 1930’s. I’ve bought and sold jet aircraft, sometimes with just a handshake and no written contract. But cars? The only thing that’s worse is real estate.
It really should be a postcard, and really that simple. I agree. I can see a bit higher fee to cover the cost of the license plate, but that's about it.
Imagine if you had a car parts business and they just rock up and claim you have unregistered cars on your property.
This happened to me when I was living in Owosso, Mich. back in 2005. I had an 84 Mustang LX with a 5.0 V8. It was a southern car with a blown motor. I was working on replacing the engine with a rebuilt 351 Windsor along with a beefier rear end and transmission. I worked on the car in my garage, but when I was waiting on parts or money, it would sit outside beside my garage under a car cover. One day I came home from work and my car was gone, car cover included! After a phone call to the Owosso Police Dept. I learned it was towed as an "abandoned" vehicle. If I had the money to fight it, I would have, but I didn't. It ended up costing me almost $400 to get my car released back to me AFTER I registered and INSURED a car that wasn't running! I ended up selling my house and moving west to a farm house near Holland, Mi. and never returned to that corrupted city. In fact the whole damned county of Shiawassee is corrupt.
When my parents' neighbors were selling their house, dad caught some starnge guy pulled over taking pictures of our backyard. Soon after, we got a letter about our old but intact shed being a nuisance... perfectly usable shed, just sun bleached with age.
This also reminds me of someone in college who was visiting immediate family who lived within X blocks of the college where "permit was required" for street parking (so students wouldn't block residential parking). They parked 100% fully in their relative's driveway, with their relative's permission, and got ticketed. The relatives were livid that they would come and ticket someone on their property with their permission.
I heard someone else parents owned a company and they had a work order for a property near the college, their employee's marked work van was ticketed/towed while they were working on the client's house. They tried to get permits to park there but were told as the vehicles were registered to the parents in a different county they couldn't get a permit. And apparently the branding of the service company all over the truck was not considered evidence it wasn't the student driving it to class. Like "how dare they work the contract they were hired and paid for near the college their kid goes to"
I started watching this and the person in the room with me became very frustrated by the actions of the city. I thought that he was going to have a stroke!
How does this not constitute grand theft auto?
Oh boy does this drive me insane when they want to tell you where you can station your own property on your own property. 🤬
How on earth has this not been struck down as unconstitutional? Have they heard of the 4th Amendment?
It has to be brought to the court by someone or some entity filing a lawsuit. Courts don't do anything unless a lawsuit is filed.
@@danburch9989 That's what the state attorney general is for.
@@YoungGirlz8463 That's one entity that can do it. The court can't file a lawsuit on their own.
The 4th only prevents unreasonable search and seizure. They cant just show up and take things without notice. If they follow the rules they can usually seize things without much pushback fromnthe courts.
They've heard of the 4th, they just don't believe it applies to them.
My city tried this with me. I was restoring my 1950 Chevrolet. Thus it was inoperable. They called it a "Junk Car" and didn't consider it a classic car. I went to court 4 times over this. The judge laughed at the city attorney. I won mt case.
Not related to this, but still vehicle related.
In Michigan, I just fixed my old 2009 Sierra after sitting for almost 5 years and Secretary of State tried charging me over $700 for tags. I had storage insurance on it, but was not driving it and they wanted me to pay for tags from every year since it was last tagged.
I was about to lose my 💩 and call an attorney, when another lady came over and pushed a couple buttons and said, "No, look. If you continue it will show what is owed. Which is $160."
Ah the old, never attribute to malice what can be blamed on stupidity, rears its head.
@BeauZoe They really were trying to scam me, but as soon as I started losing my 💩 and picked up my phone to call an attorney, all of a sudden, they magically discovered that I only owed $170.
Doesn't prove they were trying to scam me, but it is extremely suspicious.
Had our township try this shit with us and several other people. While others had their cars removed from their property, we went to the Country and found that none of what they were attempting to enforce had ever been passed into law (it was in the "planning phase"), the person sent to enforce it had no government issues ID for their job. We talked to a lawyer about some of their tactics (like driving by our house while we were walking our dogs on front of our property to try and tell us after we issues a complaint with the State Police for them trespassing on our property). The entire elected township staff was voted out in the next election after we informed more then a few people they had no grounds for the shit they pulled.
They try this under a cutesy name like "Beautify (city name)", which they think gives them the right to tell you what you can keep on your property. They tried that here in Tacoma WA. and people were up in arms. That program died a quick and quiet death. The lesson here is, don't let officials violate your property rights. If you let them, they will reach further in their power grab.
This is exactly why lawyers, judges, city council members. Should be able to be sued individually.
This has happened to me *several times* over 5 decades. My _"big brother"_ ain't heavy, he's just a hypocrite trying to stay ahead of our drunk uncle, _"Sam."_
Yep the system is rotten to the core
I agree. This is a follow the money situation. Could be a city employee or official has a cousin who owns a towing company.
Great video! I could see how a broken down heap being an eye sore. But what is the difference if it's a car you're working on compared to a car that you just haven't put on the road?
Years ago the mayor of the city of Mt.Verñon Ìn. Tried this same thing not only in the city but in the county also and she got sued and lost her job.
If they had no warrant, they committed not only Criminal Trespass, but also Grand Larceny, Deprivation of Rights under the Color of Law (4th, 8th and 14th Amendments), Conspiracy against Rights, Violation of Oath of Office, and probably a whole lot of other Crimes...
And if they obtained a warrant under false pretense, we can add Perjury and maybe even Obstruction of Justice on top of the list.
These Officials need to go to prison for this.
Same thing happened in the City of Bell in California. The City manager was bringing in about $1.8 million per year for himself. He was eventually jailed.
In my city, this kind of thing is only enforced after someone reports it. However, that report is anonymous and is not considered to be a legal 'complaint'. The city considers the initial report as an anonymous tip. The actual legal complaint is written out by an officer. You have no opportunity to confront your actual accusers (the anonymous report), which are arguably, likely, real estate agents or companies that have a financial interest in a nearby property (thereby potentially 'unclean hands'). They, and their trade organizations, use all sorts of other nefarious questionable legal tactics including lobbying for a change of a word in an ordnance from 'and' to 'or', or forcing neighborhoods to, as a collective, register as 'historic' by a mere 51% of the vote of the neighborhood, etc. All as a way to make more money on the backs of other people who are not a party to their prospective transaction.
Here all government officials hide behind "privacy". They won't tell you anything.
Not sure where you are, but very similar tricks are used in most cities/towns in Massachusetts, as well. While I understand the fear of retaliation if someone being acted upon is unstable, that complaint should be public record, or attainable with a subpoena.