We are disappointed in DP Gachagua over 'one man, one vote, one shilling' remarks - Sen Mungatana
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- "We have never sat down as UDA to pass the policy of the one man, one vote, one shilling therefore I do not support it. Rigathi Gacgahua is speaking for himself and not for Kenyans." -Danson Mungatana, Senator, Tana River
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Here we go again - 41 against 1 all over again. Uhunye alikua ameona mbali na BBI.
I keep thinking about this. I cannot rule out the potential of 2027 elections turning very violent
How do Mungatana's views on any topic become the views of either 1 or of 41? Those are the views of one person. The other views were from Gachagua. Are his views the views of 1 or the views of 41? Just express your views as others express their views too.
@@georgeodhiambo598but why now changing when he objected to this in BBI? Is gachagua someone trustworthy?
@@user-vh3fr3lb8w My response was not on the dishonesty or otherwise of Gachagua. Actually we could very well be on the same page. My response was directed at the comment that equated this debate to some odd 41 against 1. And I always wonder why it is seen as 41 against 1! The seeds that brought forth 41 against 1 forest were planted in 1969/70 when Jomo Kenyatta assassinated Mboya and started giving oaths to Kikuyus to cement their unity against other Kenyans. That was 1 against 41.
@@georgeodhiambo598 yes we are speaking one language sure.
As mungatana says, then in ruiru too only 1 person per square kilometer should be taxed. Hakuna cha bure
Why should that be so? Everyone pays taxes. But distribution of wealth must reflect a govt policy geared towards achieving set objectives.
Intact the big area should be tax more coz of the area. They wait for working hard tribe to work as they wait to eat. Let KRA tell us who contribute the tax more.
@@marymwai4072 You don't tax an area. You tax people and corporates. Then use well defined parameters reflecting a desired govt policy to distribute the taxes. Just like, under Jomo Kenyatta, distribution of Govt funds favoured a few regions, to reflect Jomo Kenyatta's desires, there is nothing wrong with correcting that in distribution of Govt funds, by taking into account more factors. While Jomo Kenyatta's priority might have been to achieve higher growth regardless of its evenness, a Govt in this day and age would be well advised to balance social, economic and political factors by taking into account not only terms like national GDP, but also paying a keen attention on its evenness.
Never agreed with gachagua but on this one i agree
That was the running cry of BBI. Aki Wakenya hudanganywa kama watoi.
Suddenly this Man has read the BBI and understood it after how many years too late . what do you expect from this lot in KK
I support Senator Mungatana
Wenye mmezoea kukula sweat ya wenyewe dyo wanakataa wingi wa watu
You told by uhuru , and bbi . Now it's a fact
Gashagua has the voice like vice president his one shilling one vote should be taken seriously by other Kenyans he has a voice in this country,bursary watoi wenu mnawapee 50 k wa Mt Kenya 2 k,never again!
Gachagua thinks and talks as if he is the DP of Mt. Kenya region. He completely and always fails to put his focus on Kenya. He always expresses what's best for Mt. Kenya with total disregard to Kenya.
In Ruiru, the MP struggles to give bursary because of the huge a population amid limited resources. The same allocation given to a small constiturncy in Lamu or Taita Taveta is also given to those in Ruiru
We're on the same page but you guys told Uhuru off when he brought this agenda. Everybody knows that the most homeless people (chokoras) in Kenya come from Central. How then do people assume that everybody is wealthy in Central? Most people in "remote" counties have land, even if it's arid (there are planned irrigation schemes everywhere though). We're talking here about people who have _nothing_ to their name.
@@panafrican.nation Uhuru tied this agenda with other agendas like expanding the executive to reward political losers and undermining the independence of the judiciary. Otherwise, we wanted the BBI to be a multiple choice affair so that we can choose what we want from the proposals. Instead, Uhuru wanted us to accept everything even the issues under contention
@@paulwamutitu2447One man, one vote, one shilling was not just wrong because it was a part of many other issues under BBI, it was wrong because it was illogical. There are expenditures that are obviously proportional to the number of people to benefit eg CDF. But there are other expenditures that are proportional to the geographic area of a region. A sparsely populated region required to build longer and more expensive roads to reach its people. The same applies to provision of water, access to hospitals, etc. One man, one vote , one shilling mantra is shallow and poorly thought out.
My Presi Uhuru has always been right Till Tugege came along and derailed BBI agenda. What do you expect with people who dont read their own finance bill . We choose the worst of us in Central starting from the top
@@davidnganga2587 what was the cost of Unga when uhuru was president? What is the cost of Unga now?...let me be a kagege but stand for the truth
That offer expired when they rejected BBI and told uhuru maliza uende. Now, the mountain needs to watch out because these tribal rhetorics will backfire on them? The whole kenya must develop equally. Am seeing a sad situation of other areas coming together to fight these tribal mindsets in resources. It's simple. let's go the federal system way.
U can see someone well dressed but thinking like a fool
Mungatana UDA hawaingiangi kwa shamba kuchomeka na jua,one vote one shilling iko bali sana na UDA our taxes shd service the ones who contribute more taxes
They are consuming lot who wait for the working and sweating tribe to work as they wait mangoes to fall and eat. Let every area get back their production. No waiting for others to work and wait as.u sit to eat. Kikuyu and other working tribes should get more than kaya leader Nd his people
The time is right..handover what belongs to the people..not to the chosen few.
Who disappointed who???..no one listened ..EQUAL SHARE..
Resources are about people not land area. Mungatana please
You are wrong. The land area matters because the cost of providing services per person is dependent, not only on the total number of people but also the population density. The cost of building a km of road may be the same but that cost PER PERSON rises when population density is higher. In a large area, sparsely populated region, you have to build more km of road to reach people. Therefore such simplistic mantras like one man, one vote, one shillings are just plainly thoughtless.
Mungatana,wachana na microphone ni hot air tu
That one man one vote one shilling should only apply in cdf. When it comes to other issues the Nation will be chocked.Nairobi hakuna mbuzi for goat meat to get to the city it needs transport how shall it get to the city if the only good roads are in highly populated constituency?
Dont be miopic Please understand its not Roads only , Where are the public Schools, Hospitals, Emergency services incase of calamities, inadequate bursary, Housing, and the list goes on and on. Money Follows people amenities not geography
Nope. Money follows functions. Obviously there are a few functions whose cost of provision is related to population, eg capitation in schools. But there are more functions whose cost of provision PER PERSON is related to geographic area eg roads infrastructure, water supply, health facilities, etc. One man, one vote, one shilling is for the intellectually lazy. Exert yourself a little more mentally.
@davidnganga2587 getting electricity to two people in Liboi costs the same price of getting it to 300 people in Kitui central. and even now Lamu, Tana River Garissa combined get lesser allocation compared to Nairobi. Don't just listen to mouthy politicians who are only seeking relevance.
No discrimination? Life is about the people not anything else
There are two ways of serving the people. You may choose to focus on the money you disburse per person. It works well for services that can be measured by capitation.
But you may also choose to focus on service provided for the people. When you get to this point, then you immediately run into a difficulty. A govt policy on access to roads network may boil down to an objective of having all weather motorable road within reach of every Kenyan. When you build a km of road in sparsely populated regions, then you may cover only 100 people. But a similar one km road in a densely populated region might cover 10,000 people.
A comprehensive social , economic and political policy must take both extremes into account as the optimal tool for funds distribution is worked out. One man, one vote, one shilling is the product of a lazy mind that does not want to exert itself intellectually.
The community asking for a right. UDA can wait
Huyu atajua nini na hupigwa kiraka na mganga pesa yake yote ina enda bure sana
This kaya leader when he says all are equal, Hope referring to people not area. It's about not area. We cannot developed schools in deserts or hospitals. If they don't want that, then we can have money that come or tax that come from an area develope the area. The kayas just sit and wait kikuyus to work and develop for them their areA.
Amen😂😂😂😂
Why can't hospitals be provided to PEOPLE living in deserts? Stop your discriminative kind of thinking that has led you to think that certain Kenyans do not have a right to access services. Yes, there are services whose costs per person is independent of population density eg CDF. One man, one vote, one shilling applies well there. But there are also services whose costs PER PERSON caries depending on population density. Like health services, or provision of water, or roads, etc. The geographic area becomes an important factor over such services. Simplistic policies like one man, one vote, one shilling are for the intellectually lazy who do not want to exert their minds. The appropriate model for fair distribution of resources combines many factors, with the population being just one of them.
uhuru ni twiga 😂 aliona mbali
Pokomo elder manenoz😂😂 one man one shiling one kilometer + G to G = dicovery of oil in tanariver plus madollar🎉😅
What are you fearing mr mungatana,kumbe mnajua nyinyi ni mzigo Kenya hii eating from other people back, parasites bure kabisa
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It is your likes who have been eating on the back of others until devolution came along. But more importantly, it is important to nite that there are services whose costs per person are dependant on geographical area. The cost of provision of roads infrastructure is higher per person in sparsely populated regions. The same applies to water or even access to health. Under CDF, then one man, one vote, one shilling may apply. Kenyans need to exert themselves a little more instead of adopting a tunnel vision, single dimensional approach to an issue with more variables than one.
Mungatana is a Gambler
Uhuru saw this again going back to where we were they want to gang aganist mt Kenya yet they know its true that we are not equal we are majority and the share is kot the same so mugatatana stop that nonsense
How is Mt. Kenya the majority? Mt Kenya constitutes less than 30% of the population. Being the largest component of the population does not make a community the majority. No one is ganging up against Mt. Kenyans. Mt. Kenyans are just being dishonest with everyone including themselves, leading to great levels of inconsistency. Ckukuweni msimamo over issues and stick to them. Then you may be taken seriously.
@@georgeodhiambo598true.
It is only a sober minded person that can see the truth in what the do is saying. Let us stop preaching this gospel of deceit
If there is capitation in schools, what is wrong in having the same being applied to other government resources like CDF, etc.
There is a big difference between capitation in schools and other Govt services. Capitation in schools is, by definition, funds provided per student. There are many govt services whose equitability cannot be achieved through capitation. There are Govt services which can only be provided equitably if more resources are given to regions that are large and sparsely populated. For instance it would be a sound Govt policy that there be a road within 10km of every person. Very sound. The cost of responding to such a target is higher in regions that are expansive and sparsely populated. The same applies to provision of Health services or education infrastructure or water services. One man, one vote, one shilling is a simplistic poorly thought out,apolitically expedient policy that has no relevance to this country. It perpetuates govt sponsored inequality that this country has gone through over the years. And reverse the little gains that devolution has achieved for Kenya.
@@georgeodhiambo598so Raila was a fool when he advocates for one man one vote one shiling
@georgeodhiambo598 . I like your argument because, as you have stated, capitation is per student, not per kilometre, and therefore, development money should be based on people
@@dandee7414 He wasn't a fool, but it was a late bait to try and get Mt. Kenya region people to support BBI. On its own, it was and still is a silly and poorly presented policy.
@@davidnjau1287 You are right on the first part of your argument. The word "capitation" means per head, so there is no argument about that. However look at the COST PER PERSON in providing, for example, satisfactory roads infrastructure. A serious govt may declare in its policy that no Kenyan should he more than one km away from an all weather motorable road. Every km constructed in a sparsely populated region might cover only 100 people. But the same road constructed in a densely populated region might cover 10,000 people. So you see, it is still about PEOPLE. Only that the policy looks at SERVICE PROVISION to the people rather than THE MONEY GIVEN to the people. Equitability is all about services. A child born in Garissa should have access to similar services that a child born in Eldoret enjoys.Thats equity in action.
Gachagua ni mtoto wa Moi. President na deputy ni Wakale.
Mungatana until when will kikuyu feed you
Mungatana has not asked any Kikuyu to feed him. He has stated that he is not a supporter of Gachagua's politically expedient one man, one vote, one shilling mantra. Mungatana opposed before as he is opposing it now. Gachagua opposed it earlier. What has changed that has made him change his mind?
@@georgeodhiambo598did you support Raila or Riggy g for BBI
@@dandee7414 What does it matter? Bring your points on board for dissection. The question before us is, "Is one man, one vote, one shilling" the optimal policy for Kenya's social, economic and political development? That's the question! Ala!
@@dandee7414you are a fool. Does it change the fact that gachagua objected to one man one shilling in BBI? Now who takes him seriously now that he want to make a turn around? Only fools like u will take such jokers seriously. This one man one shilling was already rejected by supreme courts as unconstitutional. Gachagua is wasting his time on it. Let them address the taxes they are introducing on kenyans. We are not going to be distracted from the main issues affecting us now. Punitive taxes.
Mungatana now feeling he will lose..return to be a councilor now..even to supervice Tana River roads mpigs like you have failed.
Lamu is important, but why should you get more money than the population ,the money benefits the governor
They are the majority in parliament, Gachagua can bark all year round and nothing will change.
Where have you picked the part of "getting more money than the population" from in what Mungatana stated? All Mungatana stated is that there are more parameters to look when distributing national resources. And I agree with him entirely.
@@georgeodhiambo598 nop,one man ,one shiling,..Mt krnya should get more money
@@yt-tk6uy Do you understand English? I asked to explain the basis of your statement that they "should not get more money than the population"! Who said anyone was getting more money than the population? How is it even possible to "get more money than the population"?
Mungatana is a very poor debater, don't know how he made a lawyer.
Mungatana kama una pigwa bare na mganga ana enda na pesa zako zote unatwambia nini?? Hiyo ni mdomo tuu
Mungatana bure kabisa.....
Mungatana go public, silly man, go public
But he went public and he is right. One man, one vote, one shilling was the silliest policy to have been put forth for public consumption. And it was just a bait to get Mt. Kenya region people to support BBI. There is no rationale for it.
Gachagua is a truthful man.Why are you bitter about him saying that?
Gachagua is toothless on this on. It will be kenya vs kikuyus if they ever brought this into a referendum.
Truth without knowledge is hollow.
@@kentosh120and gachagua knows this is suicide should he continue making noise about it. This rubbish was already trashed as unconstitutional in supreme court. It's a waste of time.
Tana river and North Eastern recieve more than central ..and produce almost nothing even yhe votes 5000 for un mp. By the Mungatana you should be injail u know why
It is because they received nothing under Jomo Kenyatta. They didn't get much under Moi either. Effects of state sponsored neglect and marginalization are far reaching. Those people deserve every penny they are getting and even more. They pay taxes just like you do, both direct and indirect taxes.
Mungatana you either take it or leave it
Outline your point of view instead of talking of "take it or leave it" as if you are bereft of thinking faculty. There are more variables to cost of provision of services per person other than "one man, one shilling". There are services whose costs of provision per person caries depending on population density.
But they have the numbers in parliament. Gachagua is toothless in parliament or if we went for a referendum.
Mungatana wacha hasira, until when will we feed you pple???
How do you feed other kenyans? That supremacist's ideology is unacceptable. Nonsense.
When did you ever feed Tana River people? Take some time and check the amount of resources that were provided to that region before devolution and compare that with resources the govt pumped into favoured regions during Jomo's regime and to some extent Moi's regime then you might know that you are the one who has been riding on the back of marginalized regions. Everyone pays taxes but resources were being channeled to favoured regions.
Why can't every County collect revenue and do their development. Mungatana you are in govt because Mt Kenya voted for your choice of candidate. Mjinga akielefuka mjinga huwa mashakani
If that be the case, then there is no point in having a country in the first place. Different communities were living comfortably within their tribe-nations in a most peaceful and progressive manner. By and large, we had no issues with our neighbours until colonialists came along and created illogical boundaries and forced us into some unworkable and irrational geographic space called Kenya. We all know where our tribe-nation boundaries are. Let's go to factory settings, recreate those tribe-nation boundaries, then let every tribe-nation opt for which tribe nations it would prefer to work in alliance with. Colonial country boundaries were devoid of logic.
Mungatana don't be stupid. In kiambu, everyone including mungatana lives there. So?
I don't live in Kiambu. You are the one who is being stupid.
There are services whose costs ot provision depends on the population, but there are also services whose costs of provision depends on geographic area. An equitable model for distribution of resources must take into account all these factors, and not be limited by the intellectually lazy model of one man, one vote, one shilling.
So you mean mount Kenya counties are not important
They are important but so are Kwale, Tana River, Garissa, etc.