BAL@NYY: Girardi argues with the umpires over slide
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2014
- 6/22/14: Joe Girardi is unhappy after interference is not called on Steve Pearce, who slid into Kelly Johnson near third base
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Im not a NY fan by any means. But Joe Girardi has every right to be pissed off here.
+john Magill This is karma for when A-Rod shouted "I got it" while running the bases against the Blue Jays
You know its a fucked up call when a Rangers fan and A Sox fans sides with NY.
+Ryan Shaffer For an event that happened in 2009, if not earlier, why would karma hit in the one season A-rod COULDN'T play in. (He was suspended for the entirety of 2014, AKA when this video took place.)
Themerc2006 It was double karma, being suspended for cheating all those years, and then having this happen when you appeal due to all the rest of what Rodriguez has done...
mathew davis good for you
That's a dirty and dangerous play. It's clear he was targeting the 3B, and had no intention of tagging the base.
Agreed, I am not a Yanks fan and I agree with you, that should have been an ejection of the baserunner.
If I were Girardi, I'd ask the umpire to lay down where the guy slid and ask him if he can reach the bag from there. Case closed.
That's exactly what Girardi did at 2:45.
I remember this play. He wasn't even close to being able to touch the bag. No gray area in sight. It's a text-book example of interference. It was so flagrant, I don't understand how it went unnoticed.
I was there that game I was furious. Though Kelly Johnson was hated
Couldn't think of a good name so i guess this is it I just learned recently that's the ruling on taking out a fielder, that the runner has to be able to touch the bag. It's clear he wouldn't have been able to. This should be a reviewable call. Why is this less of an umpire judgment than a call at 1st base, or a homerun? I don't get that.
shadowheart52 the ruling was bases loaded nobody out
shadowheart52 he still could of reached the bag
Couldn't think of a good name so i guess this is it The problem is that almost every runner in this kind of play does this and it's so rarely called.
I'm an Orioles fan, but how the duck was interference not called there? I... there's literally no good reason why interference wouldn't be called. Pearce was 4 feet outside the base and pointed his legs into the fielder's ankle. Also, he didn't even attempt to reach out to third. I feel like that kind of move is suspend-able.
Patrick Hogan agreed man. I enjoy watching heads up physical play but that was 100% interference.
Yes, stupid call. It's a clear out a third and the interference at third prevented the defence at third from making what was otherwise a very doable double play.
HOW THE DUCK CANT U FCKING SPELL FUCK RIGHT
cause the umpire are not used to the new rule and second he could of judge the runner was able to reach the base if this was runner for yankees they be plotting the effort
Me to should of been an interference for that
they need to change the replay rules that should've been a replay review.
Exactly as Michael Kaye said. Every call is an umpire judgment call. It's silly. Pearce is going to hurt somebody playing like that.
There wasn't a need to review the runner clearly went out of his way and went out the baseline
+Dan Grissom Jr but because the umpires are oblivious and complete imbusals, they could've reviewed it (if it was allowed) to correct their mistake
Ugh, get the stinkin' call right. That was clearly interference. Should be runner on 2nd with 2 outs after the play, if they had called it right.
Samuel Marinov Even if it was interference, the throw was way too high to first.
^^^ And why do you think the throw was way too high at first? Maybe bc someone slide way out of the way to slide into the guys legs?..
George
Ever try to make a throw while running? Chances are your throw will be off the mark as well.
dbo20
He had already released the ball before the runner slid into him.
***** Not true...if you go to 0:38 or 3:36 of the video you can clearly see their feet touching and the 3b still with the ball in his hands...
you too smart for them Joe
That's interference. Call should have been made.
worst out of base slide ever. what the hell happened to baseball?
He did it on purpose idiot
Pepe your knowledge of baseball overwhelms me. i always thought the player was the bag,. thank you for your insight.
+mel bias 💀💀💀
Raavn 💀💀💀
mel bias corrupted by steroids and money?
*actual conversation between umps
"So who do we want to argue?"
"Well, Joe is already out here…"
"True, and Showalter full head of steam is never good"
"So we going for Joe?"
*all agreeing "yea"
*makes call "safe!"
3:11 "the vain in his neck is starting to pop out now, here we go" hahaha. Never herd a reverence like that from a commentator before.
+Greysen Gagné he said his neck is starting to bulge lmao
Right howd he butcher the quote that bad 😂
Sometimes I feel like these umps just make the rules up as they go. Runner at 3rd should be called out instantly.
1st*
Yes thank you :)
in fact if there no rule cover in rule book we do
lilbromarky1 the runner at third was out, it’s the runner to first that should be out
The way Pearce walked off the field after the fact kind of tells you everything you need to know about his intentions.
Die hard Redsox fan here......and I think the Yanks were hosed. If you can't reach the bag then you're interfering.
this is one reason why they changed the slide rule after two players, including tejada almost had career ending injuries due to dirty slides. there are hard slides and there are dirty slides. this one was right up there with utley. i say if they break a rule like that and the player gets injured, they should end their season right there. zero tolerance.
The Orioles are worse than The Yankees at this point. They play dirty, aren't any good, and pick fights with almost every team they play.
Unbelievable, complete BS, this is exactly why... brawls happen like last Sunday, this was ridiculous
If you think this slide was bad you haven't seen anything. My grandfather told me back in his day this would have been a sissy girl takeout slide
+XcelGaming gtfo
Dude if his cleat sticks in the ground his career could of been over! I'm not a yankee fan btw.
Definitely out of baseline.
Umpires said never mind the evidence, we are always right.
Greg Gibson the home plate umpire would have motioned to both players
*So basically after the umpires got together and still got the call wrong, they dismissed Girardi's argument, and also apparently told Showalter some version of, "Look... we got it wrong, but don't push your luck. Jones only advances to 3rd." I state this because if the umpires stood by their bad call fully, Jones should've been awarded home based on the throw going into the stands, according to the rule. So they got it wrong, and instead of fully correcting the situation OR continuing on the same wrong tangent, they just made up their own rule on the spot. Classic.*
Joe Girardi has every right to be pissed off. That was a super illegal slide. How can that be counted as a run?
If the runner goes outside the baseline he should be out anyway, seeing how had he stayed in it, he would've been out to begin with.
Just a little bit of information for you. The baseline is the line between bases. The four baselines make a perfect 90' x 90' square. Runners are allowed to go outside the baselines all the time.
I think what YOU mean is that runners are generally not allowed to go outside the base PATH - which is defined as the direct route between a runner and the next base.
With that said, the base path/base line argument is irrelevant here. The runner clearly interfered with the throw and he did it deliberately. He was already out, so that out stands.
The umpire screwed up here. This was very clearly interference. Thee are FOUR umpires in major league games. It is inexplicable how the 3rd base umpire could have POSSIBLY missed this. He has ONE job!! And he wasn't doing it.
I'll recheck my MLB Rule Book on that one.
defiantone
MLB Rule 7.08
Any runner is out when-
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his base path to avoid being tagged
unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner’s base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely
(b) He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to
make a play on a batted ball;
Rule 7.08(b) Comment: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not.
If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
Yea, I have the rule book, I just don't have the time right at this moment to dig it out. lol
defiantone
I had it in pdf form...
If I were Girardi , I would move the base bag to the position where pearce just slipped to.
The out runner is interference and the BR is also out.
MS Jeon BINGO!! (FCCABU member)
That’s how it should be
The slide also nearly got a fan injured too.
OMG! Not only did he go out of the baseline, he went straight towards the other side of 3rd, knowing full well Johnson was heading there! Pearce had no intention of touching 3rd. PLUS he was long out before he even started sliding! CLEARLY should have been interference!
As a diehard Yankees lover/fan, I see why Joe was pissed here
Gotta love how the MLB is dealing with all these collision rules. It seems to me that the more obvious the base runners intent to collide, the less likely the umps are to call interference. The only time it’s called is when both the fielder and the runner had every right to collide. I just don’t understand what the umpires are thinking about when they make these calls. The rules aren’t badly written, they’re just terribly enforced.
If you’re pissed at Utleys dirty slide, you should be pissed at this one also.
What’s the point of non reviewable calls if we have the technology to do so?
It's not interference, as he can touch the base with his hand. But with that being said, that rule reeds to change. You should have to slide into the bag. Watching the Pirates player break his leg this week, just shows how badly this rule needs to change.
More importantly, did Johnson get an error on the throw? Shouldn't have.
Fuck that bank of america llama god damnit!!!!! AHHHHHHH
How did they fuck that up even after seeing the mark 5 feet away from the base
Why aren't there at least inner base lines drawn out on the field?
Interference by a retired runner ... The next closest runner to home is out. That should be the ruling.
MrOpi6 nah interference which means he's automatically out and the batter is therefore out which would just mean runner on second which would of been Adam Jones
That was a BRUTAL non call. Blatant to everyone in the stands except the umps.
CLEAR case of INTERFERENCE
If you look closely at the runner he pivoted towards where the third baseman was going
I hate it when players do that I'm like "play the game fair"
Yes I hate the Yankees but that was interference GO BOSTON RED SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Nolan J oh good I was confused with the Los Angeles Red Sox
Greg Csak it's not really a dirty play, just the umpires called it wrong. He was maybe 3 feet away from being able to touch the bag, if it's 10 feet then that's dirty.
Martin Gardner if you're any distance at all away from being able to touch the bag, with your toes up, and no attempt is being made at reaching for the bag you're sliding way far away from, then it definitely is a dirty play. Not only is it interference, that kind of a move could have cost Johnson a long trip to the DL and Pearce a long suspension. Or should have, at any rate.
exarkunrocks I think he just got a little further from the bag than he intended to. You don't have to attempt to touch the bag, it's not in the rules.
7.09 (d) says "Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders."
Barring any evidence to the contrary, he didn't intend to go out of the base path, he just ended up there.
You could see that the runner started sliding before the third baseman takes a shuffle foward
Runner was out of reach of the base - and his slide was actually moving him further away from the base.
#SaveDodgerFilms
Agree I dont know if it was The Dodgers stadium owner Or whatever Told him he is banned from filming not fair thought this was a free country
William Calabretto Dodger legal team said no. They're just scared that people will not go to the games and see his vids. Dodgers Legal team are pu$$ie$.
Even though it's a free country it says u can't retransmit it
William Calabretto Yeah but to be fair it is the Dodgers' property.
Ryan Coffey i liked dodger films but it does say no transmission or distribution without the express written consent of the mlb
i know this is really old but you can clearly see that his last step before sliding he redirected himself into the thrower, running completely straight then all of the sudden a redirect, he was even looking at the thrower i would think if you were trying to slide and hit the base to get safe then you would be staring at the base, he was also miles away from the base having to completely layout to reach it with his hand
That runner was so out of his way, he was called safe at home.
Joe has the right to be mad. This should be able to replay bc pulse they are already looseing
I hate the Yankees but this is SOOO clear. How the umpires missed this is CRAZY!!! That's how knees and ankles are blown out. Ridiculous!!
Get off your knees umpire you’re blowing the game
It's obvious interference. Their operating principle is apparently something other than getting the call correct.
Jeez its ridiculous how many of these videos their are.
That was such a dirty Slide in my opinion No reason for that
I want to know, was the guy who slid into that area between 3rd and home. Did he get drilled his next at bat? I figured that would be an obvious next step.
This is an example of poor umpiring. The slide mark is plain as day and Girardi even points it out and the umpires look directly at it and they completely ignore it. You have evidence of where the baserunner was and can see that he was completely out of the basepath.
This means the umps suck
Coming from 2 met fans, I 100% agree
I've always wondered., what makes you guys a mets fan from a Yankee fan if you live in NY..? Same with Jets and Giants.. Do you just choose one at an early age or something...?
+Greysen Gagné... Becoming a Mets fan or a Yankees fan is a cruel joke and curse passed down from our parents, depending on which fans they happen to be 😂😂😂
Greysen Gagné maybe people don't like the history the team had. Or the franchise history.
@@greysonG10 at least some New Yorkers stick to one team unlike many others... Also Mets represent Long Island which is where I rather live than New York City if I were to move to New York.
If you want to breakup the double play, please breakup it in any part of your area can touch the base bag. If you can't touch the base bag in any part of your area, and breakup the double play also slide to the defender, that's call "murder".
That's insane! Clearly interference.
Red sox fan here, this was such an obvious interference how can you get such a simple call wrong:(
At the 0.45 mark you can see Pearce throws himself to the left to take out the baseman.
Alex would’ve made that, even with that slide. Yes the runner was off the path but that throw was initially bad.
At least they hot the call on keeping Jones at 3rd correct.
If you're sliding in 3rd, your feet should be first to touch. Doesn't seem like an accident when they're facing towards home plate instead of the bag.
I was studying for fluid mechanics and am now here. The internet is wild.
this clip always really bothers me. thats not baseball man..
I could see this slide being done in a really close game. Not when you have a 3-0 lead
I would have challenged the play to see if the runner ever touched third in the first place. Then the umpires would see that it was obvious interference.
He didn’t even pretend to reach for the bag.
What they should have done is eject the slider, and let the runners be on 1st and second, the slider interfered with the play so it shouldn't be called as a double.
yeah I'm not a Yanks fan but this is ridiculous and totally uncalled for
At first look is appears to be blatant interference, but there is one thing that could work in Pearce's favour.
When Pearce starts moving to his left, Johnson has one foot on the base and the other behind it. So Pearce may have thought that Johnson was going to throw while he was on the base without making too much more movement, and moved to his left to avoid hitting Johnson, as Johnson was on the base. But this didn't work because Johnson then overran the base, and they collided anyway. Maybe that doesn't change anything, but it could.
This should have been ruled a double play with one runner being at 2nd base. How they don't call this a double play I'll never know. Ironically, there are rules in place now where he would have been called out, but he should have been called out anyways because there is no way the runner can touch that base.
It’s amazing that they allowed the runners to move up.
there's a difference between a good hard slide into the bag and going out of your way
I dont understand Pearce's logic here. Top 8, up by 3 runs. If he doesn't interfere there are 2 outs with a guy on second with an opportunity to score. If it were a 1 run game i could see trying to make Johnson mess up, but blatantly going out of his way to get him to mess up is beyond me. And shame on the second base umpire at :53. he has a clear line seeing Pearce going out of the baseline to interfere with Johnson.
None of this would have happened if Greg Gibson the home plate umpire was motioning to both players
Steve Pearce I thought that was Placido Polanco
I friggen DESPISE the Yankees, but - I can’t believe I’m actually saying this - but I’m on their side for this one. . . The slide was late AND waaaaayyyy out of the base path.
The runner on third is out and the run does not score because the ball needs to be thrown by the outfielder to be able to advance 2 bases and that's obstruction
These umpires in this game are an absolute disgrace the runner would have to be 7 ft tall to even come close to tagging the bag.
Following the Ruben Tejada incident I think this play will be reviewed a lot more
So is this baseball or is this soccer??
+Jcameron2244 why would u ask such a dumb question.
+Gamer tag you obviously don't understand my sarcasm i was referring to how the slide from Pearce looked like a slide tackle
That's a straight red in soccer
Jcameron2244 good point and yeah that's a red card
Where was the third base ump
As much as I hate the Yankees, Girardi is right to be pissed.
Situations like that. Just step on a leg, they'll learn to play fair or get carried off
Was there ever a man with a shorter torso than joe girardi?
What was the call after that third base slide bullshit?
We have come to a point where players and managers need to point a gun at referees and umpires to overturn poor calls. You give them a choice they reverse the bad call and they can go home or not and that's that
the runner look like he impacted the throw ,but it might been a case where he was trying to get out the way when he started sliding the 3rd baseman was on the bag :44 i'm not sure how much direction control Pearce may have what Pearce could you assume what a fielder gonna do or where he is i kinda think it might be accidental what call should have been is running is out on the force and runners on 1st and 2ed.
They ended up teammates that year. Must have been weird at the clubhouse
I would've protested the game after a fiasco call like that. Umpires need to be held accountable for calls like these. I'm not a Yankee fan, but that's retarded. I don't mind a takeout slide if he's going for the base, but if he's going out of his way to hit a player, that shit should be dealt a fine as well as ejection and suspension.
If I am correct if the ball is out of play the runners on first and second only get one base so Jones does not score he only goes to third
+colbylaskey james1629 No, The throw was the second play by an infielder so each runner gets two bases from the time of the throw.
Exactly why I can't stand the Orioles. Dirty.
same here you a Yankee fan I am
+Fisher95rc please dont generalize oriole fans. As an Orioles fan I believe it was an interference call that was missed. But hey Arod has knocked the ball out of boston pitchers hand in the playoffs and yelled I got it to interrupt a pop up against the jays so dont pretend there arn't yankees that play dirty. or have pineda using pine tar.
That's why I love the Jays
+James Condon It's A-Rod what do you expect
+Bricks de Bricksman Jays are worse
He changed his path after Girardi touched the base
From a neutral point of view I can see the issue in this. The guy running to third looks like he was sliding wide and going to reach out with his hand to the base in an attempt to avoid colliding with the 3rd base man but didn't expect the baseman to overrun 3rd while throwing.
Yes he could have easily touched 3rd from his initial course. It doesn't appear he starts moving farther away from the base until he realizes he's going to make contact with the third baseman who kept running past the base.
I want to know what kind of drugs these umpires are taking. They've got to be really good ones. They were concerned over where the runner sled. The runner was already out. Therefore, any contact with the Fielder was interference.
Again, Vic on the dish.
I just watched 4 minutes of arguing for no resolution
more importantly did anyone see the balk hit someone in the crowd😂
The runner should have been out! The third baseman stepped on the bag or the runner ran out of the baseline. Either way he should have been called out.
umpires always screw up on calls smh
Well as u can see he never touched the bag so they could get him out at third.