BYD Blade Battery Pros and Cons: Is LFP The Winning Tech?
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024
- BYD Blade LFP Battery is used in BYD's electric vehicles like the Seal, Atto 3 and Dolphin. In this video I will compare the BYD Blade LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) Li-Ion battery pack to other battery pack chemistries like NCM and NCA Lithium-Ion batteries, and list both pros and cons of the Blade. Is LFP the winning battery technology or is it just a cheaper version of more capable batteries? Check out the video to find out!
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Don't forget the new Geely battery !!!
@@bobmorane4926 that one looks very impressive!
Great overview of the battery technology - no doubt in a few years this will be "old tech" however right now I'm loving the Seal and it's great to have another real competitor to Tesla to push the whole technology in this space!
@@th3rush thanks! Yep, things progress fast and the next-gen LFP will already be superior to this. That’s how it goes.
Love your jingles!
Thanks! 😄
When the two top players in the battery market are going with the blade model, then I think your predictions regarding the future is correct 😉
@@Jonse70 exactly! 😅
Got the BYD blade LFP in a 2023 Tesla Model Y SR, only the german made models got the BYD, not the US or China ones. This battery is a gamechanger. Charges better than the big NCM Tesla uses (LG), 3C charge rate (176kW) for quite some time AND plug in at any SoC and get 3C (charge curve shifts). No more plugging in at 10% or less for full speed. The BYD needs less than 25°C for fast charge, has no drawbacks in the winter like the older CATL LFP. No penalty on long distance, cheaper, best battery so far. The cells shine because of the good battery design from Tesla, the cells alone do not make a battery pack
Very nice experience 👍
Both LFP and NCM/NCA can be use with CIB. Just depends on the car structure. My current car is using NCM with CIB tech. Both can be charged to 100% but don't let it sit on it. I do think LFP is the future for now but the weight factor making cars with LFP generally way less efficient and we're all waiting for solid state battery. Another thing to note LFP doesn't handle extreme temperature as well as NCM/NCA. Regarding the battery life cycle, since both battery would outlast the car I think there's no right or wrong choice there
Valid points! Definitely no current battery tech is the future if you look far enough - there surely will be transformative battery tech at *some* point, but looking at the next 5-7 years, I believe in LFPs dominance in the EV market. The next-gen (after the 2024 Seal) of LFP looks pretty awesome, handling charging in -10 C at peak power etc. Also the energy density of LFPs are going up, which will contribute to the efficiency. Solid state is on the market already, and might be closer to more widespread adoption, but it hasn't yet really moved the needle?
Battery technology keep changing, I'll wait a few years and see how it improve.
It will surely improve a lot!
You van wait for ever, because there are always improvements in technology. Current technology (especially LFP) already works for most car drivers.
I'm very happy about my 2018 Hyundai ioniq 28kw... I think the one and only UNICORN of all the EV ;)
@@banzonGreat it’s a classic!
Hey. I’m thinking about buying the Seal U from Autokeskus. However, I have some doubts about it. I test-drove it and loved it, but currently, I have a Skoda Enyaq Coupe that I really don't like and want to trade for something different. Am I crazy to consider trading a Skoda for a Chinese car? Insurance? How maintenance? How do people react when you say you own BYD?
My Skoda Enyaq Coupe (80kW version) only gets about 320km range(summer) with my driving, which I think is not a lot. The charging speed is around 80kW at the beginning and drops to 60kW until the end (using ABC Lataus), which I find slow. Additionally, it has a lot bugs, like sometimes not being able to connect to the charger. It's very annoying, as I often need to perform random actions for 10 minutes before it connects. The entertainment system is super slow, and the GPS module crashes all the time and etc.
I’ve heard good things about the Seal U even though it’s quite different from the Seal. Regarding maintenance, BYD still keeps quite tight interval of 20k km / 1 year in Finland at least for the Seal, which is not that good and as a result maintenance costs are higher than some competitors. Insurance costs seem normal, no difference. People’s reactions to BYD vary a lot - you will get everything from excitement to rolleyes. For me, it is quite evident that BYD is serious in its expansion to Europe - you can tell this from their investment in growing the network and factories, as well as from the frequency of OTA updates for example. I’ve already received 3 or 4 OTA updates within a few months. I think that’s 3-4 more than what Skoda has been able to deliver..? 😉
@@ElectricSeal-bq5wu So far, zero updates :) Skoda has some of the worst sound insulation I have ever experienced, plus it's very bumpy on the road. If you see a Skoda Enyaq Coupe driving slowly on curves, just know it's super uncomfortable on them, so we prefer lower speeds, especially for passengers. However, it has superb lane assist, amazing cruise control, and travel assist, which is called "intelligent assist" in BYD cars (the mode that does auto steering for you).
During a test drive, I mostly drove on Keha 3 and around the airport. It looked like the auto steering on the BYD worked on these roads. I was testing lane assist on Keha 3, and it worked about two times out of three. We like to drive a lot, so I use those functions when I'm tired. I'm wondering if they work properly.
@@denisaskirilovas4012 the auto steer is not the best, though I have been quite satisfied with it. But definitely something that could be improved, hope BYD brings some updates to that one, too.
If you cut the weight, any battery chemistry is the winning tech.
That impacts many things for sure!
No any. Some chemical elements are not sustainable.
I'd like to add one Con to the Blade Battery. in case of a replacement is needed, you'll need to replace the whole battery pack as it is not separated in modules.
I have a BYD Song L myself and seems like the cooling system is done via A/C, not regular Cooling Liquid, what about your Seal?
Good point, that's probably a downside of the structural pack, although not necessarily a major one, considering the high durability and rapidly decreasing cost of these packs. But of course it would be better if module-by-module services would be possible..
The Seal's battery cooling system is also using the A/C system, so sounds similar to Song L. I think it might be a cost optimization thing to implement it like that, but seems a bit insufficient.
But in other videos we see, that BYD has problem to cool battery and difference between intake / outake in the cooling system is even 10 - 15 *C and if this high temperature cell reaches 50 - 52 *C, BYD BMS throttle charge power to very small value even in very low SOC.
Yes, the cooling system is a bit insufficient and is one disadvantage at least in the Seal. I drove 1200 km in one day with it in the summer and experienced the ”rapidgate”, but for me it wasn’t a too big deal. Instead of 135/150 kW, I got something like 80 kW at start of the charging session.
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@@kingleoric6787 thanks for watching👍
How about in Asian countries, would LFP battery perform good as well? Asian countries are hi temperature
LFP works great in Asia (I own 2 BYD cars in Thailand). LFP has some problems in cold temperature.
Yes, like Jürg commented, LFP is great in hot climates. Also the durability and longer lifetime of LFP is more important there (than for example here in Finland) as the hi temps put more pressure on the battery. LFP sees less degradation than other battery chemistries.
In environments that require instantaneous high discharge/high charge, i.e. high C-Rate, such as electric vehicle environments, NCM, NCMA batteries are much safer against fire than LFP batteries.
That's why LFP batteries are used in energy storage devices (ESS) that require a lower C-Rate than electric vehicles.
Naturally, high nickel (90% or more) NCM or NCMA batteries are suitable for electric vehicles. Not only do they have excellent energy density, but they also have better low-temperature characteristics. There is no price difference based on energy density per weight/volume.
That's why high nickel (90% or more) NCM or NCMA batteries dominate the EV market, over LFP batteries. Keep it in your mind.
LFP is generally considered the safest also in electric vehicles, and its the one battery type that has raised its market share fastest during the recent years, now accounting already for 40% of all EV batteries globally. I agree on your points about energy density and low-temp performance (especially in older generation LFP batteries).
There's been a few recalls for NCM batteries such as LGChem, GM Bolt, but we yet to see a general recall for LFP batteries By Catl or Byd. So, the safety issue is a constant problem even today for NCM batteries, except Tesla.
@@bobmorane4926 It is already a thing of the past. Most performance electric vehicles these days do not adopt LFP batteries but are equipped with NCM or NCMA batteries with high nickel content. In China, where most cars use LFP batteries, dozens of electric vehicle fires occur every day, but they are controlled and unknown to the outside world. In addition, LFP batteries are not recycled, which creates environmental problems. However, NCM or NCMA batteries are recycled.
China sponsored channel?😊
Nope, just sharing my experiences and opinions - no need to overthink it. 😏
@ElectricSeal-bq5wu check 90 % or more high nickel NCM or NCMA batteries in the EV environment and share it.
@@ElectricSeal-bq5wu Fair enough 👍🏻
it can't be service module by module so that's it. terrible battery
That's a valid point ,and the Blade battery may not be the most flexible in this regard. Though with the life span, reliability and cost, it may not be that significant.
@@ElectricSeal-bq5wu Good point. I don't usually like electric cars as they're too complex and life span is too short. as an engineer I only support Nissan leaf being lightweight simple electric car, but this BYD blade battery has a potential for being a good EV car platform and batteries lasting very very very long. BYD Seal is btw beautiful car and 10 times better than Tesla 3. Nice car, I'd drive that.
@@Jani_Ikävalko Agreed! I also like the Leaf, Nissan did a great job with that already 10 years ago.
Moisture damage is a major cause of battery failures.. so there's a plus point in sealing everything up.
Modern batteries don't need to be «serviced». BYD's battery can be repaired, too.
Take your sunglasses off and you might earn a bit of credibility.
Nah, I don’t need credibility. Just having fun with making videos and driving the Seal 😎
LFP is the poor mans battery these days. The only real pros of LFP is price and less fire hazard. Its a myth you should not charge NMC/NCA batteries to 100%. Polestar recommends 90% and Kia says charge to 100%, but dont leave it at 100% for extended periods.
I think LFP actually was poor man's battery in the past, but now when you look at these latest ones and the next generation, I think it might be the winning solution. Let's see :)
So poor man's need higher safety?
U missed longer lifespan
@@commieTerminator NMC batteries are already exceeding the lifespan of the car.
Most manufactures will change to LFP, because it is better. The European battery project is delayed because they will change to LPP.