"I actually think it's better if they part ways!" 😳 | Carra and Clichy debate David Moyes' West Ham
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Jamie Carragher and Gael Clichy take a closer look at West Ham's season with Carragher believing it would be best for West Ham and David Moyes to part ways.
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Gael is actually a decent pundit, I'm quite impressed with him tbh 👌
Agreed!
Deffo
He won't be wearing those runners on TV again though
Who is he
@@abdisharif-up6bb elaborate
Jamie's definitely right that the style of play is a problem because that's what's turning the match going fans off of him. I'm an armchair fan, so my opinion is less important than theirs, and even I struggle to sit through most of our games - even when we win! I can't imagine blocking out countless weekends to travel to and from the match, only to watch us sit deep and counter against every team in the league 🤷
We certainly can't complain about the silverware, I was doing laps of my garden when we won, but it's for the match going fans to decide whether they want to support watching that style every week and whether that discomfort is worth the potential trophy at the end of the season.
Think you make an excellent point here. Football is meant to be entertainment, if you’ve got fans struggling to sit through games they’re winning then you’ve got a problem.
@@edenholt4394 yeah, much better to be a team playing "nice football" and getting relegated, like Southampton or Burnley
@@garyeastman2307 For your point to be true, managers would need to have specific performance conditions listed in their contact to precipitate termination, otherwise this becomes equally as subjective as the entertainment value the manager's style brings. I'm unaware of this being commonplace, or even used at all within their contracts, but I'm welcome to being corrected.
Regardless, the question is whether to renew his contract, not to sack him; so, even if this were in his contract, it would only be relevant if the consideration was to sack him before the end of the season.
As an aside, the results had been bad, which is exactly why the question of Moyes staying was being discussed!
Lastly, your comment begs the question, what happens if the results are good, but the entertainment doesn't ever come?
I expect you would say that the results take precedence (and I would agree that should be the case), but when the question is 'do we renew a contract for a manager?' then I think this can justifiably be a deal-breaking issue, providing the owners consider a better managerial option is available to take over who can deliver both style and performance.
I agree with the overall sentiment of results being most important, as alluded to in my OP, but your point about contracts seems to be extraneous to what's actually being discussed 🤷
@@garyeastman2307 Thank you for the patronising explanation of what a contact is 😂 my point was that your comment gave the impression that there would be specific conditions, e.g. minimum points or maximum losing runs, so I thought it worthwhile noting that if this isn't the case then those conditions will still have an element of discretion at board/owner level. Obviously ending up in top half is very different to the relegation zone, but that's of course relative to the expectation of the owners, and to a lesser degree the fans.
I do agree with the broader point, that results take primacy over entertainment, but that doesn't mean that entertainment isn't important - particularly to the match going fans!
Also agree with the point about the team set up and that it's probably a necessity given the players we have, but many of those players were brought in prior to the sporting director's appointment, so Moyes definitely had some input into moulding the team in this way and therefore shoulders some degree of responsibility for the resulting style.
@@edenholt4394 Football is meant to be sport. The fact that entertainment is a by product is incidental. If it were entertainment we would have teams acting like the Harlem globe trotters going around playing exhibition matches. I'd be perfectly happy if my team won every match 1-0 parking the bus. As that would make them the best team the world has ever seen.
For what he’s done for them this second stint, they need to at least give him till the end of this year.
I agree i dont see point in him going right now get to the end of season and part ways we his contract ends
100% agree
In addition, West Ham are currently 10th ABOVE the £1b squad Chelsea which is 4 places better than where they finished last season
@gbej1 excellent point, that's something nobody brings up and it should. Moyles in his 4yrs has only spent £240m
West Ham getting above there station they have no world class players and think there top 4 build slow
I like listening to Gael🎉
fr. he's been top notch as a pundit in recent weeks.
He’s a great pundit but could be an even better coach
I'm not a West Ham fan but I think they should stick with him for now. I do understand the fans frustration though. As a fan you want one of two things. To play exciting football or get results and obviously doing both is the best case scenario
Who are they going to replace him with? If a good candidate like Andoni Iraola would have been available go for it.
@@shinebanana4084There are hundreds of managers out there, just because the media hasn't given 3 past it options doesn't mean there aren't others
@@bamforkineye moyes is a reliable manager, and have even won a trophy for west ham. I dont think they should sack him just to sack him. If a good canditate that looks really good comes along then i think they should move on.
Gael is improving as a pundit now, good luck brother .👍 💪
Moyes rescued us twice from relegation. For that I thank him. For the turgid football, he has to go. Even after spending hundreds of millions we have the smallest and the oldest squad in the league who can’t pass a ball to save their life. Hundreds of millions in exchange for becoming counter attacking set piece merchants. It’s not about us thinking we deserve to be getting better results. It’s about us seeing teams down in the bottom half pass the ball better than us.
Technically he has never saved us at all. Bilic got sacked by hard losses at 3 of big 6 clubs away, never lost against any of 5 relegation rivals (only lost away at Newcastle) before Moyes took over. Pellegrini had 19 points slightly before halfway and Moyes made 20 for the rest of the season. The season he brought us 6th was done by Pellegrini’s men + Lingard + Bowen + closed doors. Pretty much the same group which brought him 7th. Then his pick Coufal, Soucek, Paqueta, Zouma joined and we were 14th. So how did he save us?
to win 1st trophy in 40 odds years. He should have a statue if anything. This guy saved west ham from relegation twice. Fans these days are ungrateful
2020-2021 2021-2022 65% win ratio. 2022-2023 2022-2024 31% win ratio. He's been on a decline. Brentford game was a good game but that's us playing on the front foot.
We aren't ungrateful it's just his time to go the tactic relies on 1 player paqueta when he's out we can't score
And the squad is ageing, wages are going up but income isn't increasing, the football is hit and miss, they'll lose Paqueta who's the fulcrum, and good luck getting another one. There's logic there..
@@garyeastman2307 what should anger you as a fan is that we can play with a high press but choice not to. Look how great Brentford game was everyone was happy playing like that. We have the best tackling front 4 in the world. Everyone of them can tackle yet we choice not to play with a high press. Other teams our doing it who will not be as effective as when we do it. Moyes needs to go we only see football like that when are backs is against the wall. If he played like that for most of the season we will be better as a team and it will be great to watch. But Moyes being Moyes will be stubborn and no doubt we will not continue seeing us play with a high press.
@@garyeastman2307 You're talking about cherry picking then dont mention mention losing to Bristol City, letting in 5 against/Liverpool and Fulham, 6 at home to Arsenal after spending £200m.
The academy of football, When Moyes said players under aren't ready for first time. That was it, no one talks about it.
Let the guy finish the season
shake hands and walk away at the end of the season .... getting the manager right is imperative
Can't wait to see you relegated when he leaves....I'll laugh alot
@@leec4027not nearly as much as your missus laughs when you take it out
So who would you replace Moyes with? Go on, give me a laugh.
@@jerzywoking1699 kieran mckenna
@@jerzywoking1699 I know let's see who can work with that budget and someone who can make the team play the WH way 😂😂..... even with Carrick , Rio , Lamps and others the team still struggled
They are 8th.... Not 18th
this show is probably the best one sky sports have made. more tactical analysis and the real issues teams have or why they are succeeding . hope they keep it up
I've heard better discussions in pubs on match days.
@@jerzywoking1699
Spend less time in the pub and go to a game, you’ll understand football better 😂
Respect Jamie Jamie gets us. ⚒️
Till the end of the season at least for Moyes
Just because footballing trends are changing or West Ham are not fighting relegation, it doesn''t mean Moyes should change his style. If anything, his style should become more effective against teams that press with high defensive lines.
However, I think one of the few criticisms you could throw at Moyes is signing Phillips and not getting another winger or creative player instead.
It’s a disgrace that you can talk about Moyes getting the sack. Everything wrong with football right there these days
Agreed mate.
Bet you didn’t say that when he got sacked from 3 of the 5 clubs he’s managed before coming to west ham?
@ricochet2977 well one of those clubs was Sunderland where he basically got them relegated. Another was Man U were I said he deserved more time and the other was Real Sociedad where he couldn't even speak the language yet still gave it a good go.
I wish when Carragher said he's a top premier league manager, he'd been asked "so with Klopp leaving, you wouldn't mind Moyes at Liverpool?"...
Hes a top prem manager but hes not a elite manager so why would he take him at liverpool, he wouldnt fit and also he managed united so the fans would definitely not want him
Liverpool and Man City don’t just want a top premier league manager, they want one of the best managers in the world. Big difference.
If Moyes weren’t at West Ham, where would he be?
more than likely a relegation threatened club or championship team
If Moyes was at another club, they probably wouldn't be in that position.
Nah the fans that actually know the club wouldn't get mad at the playstyle. A counter attacking playstyle is fine, it is a type of playstyle for a reason.
Even big teams like Real Madrid with all the star players they have, find themselves relying on a last minute goal to find the winner. That is, what their own fans call it, the Real Madrid way.
The problem is,what carragher said, the goals being conceded. For a team who has like 2 right backs, 3 CDMs playing in the starting XI, they are conceding way too many goals. The "compact" defence is easily being split by players like Saka and Martinelli.
And going to the attacking side of things, for a team who rely on counter attacks and set pieces their not doing well on those either.
There's a severe lack of decision making in the final third, where players choose to hold the ball for too long or either take shots from unlikely to score areas or just cross it high into the box for a fairly short Jarrod Bowen to somehow battle against the very likely bigger players of their opponent teams, the centre backs.
And set pieces, west ham were on par with arsenal at one point of the season on goals scored from set pieces. But in these recent games they have fallen off massively. James ward-prowse is still a dead ball specialist, but the other players are struggling to find the back of the net from those deliveries.
In short, you've got a counter attacking team, whose defence isn't good enough neither is its attack
Honestly just find some form of stability with results for the remaining reason and I give it a fresh go for next season and bolster the squad with the right players that match their needs. Don’t panic buy and they’ll bounce back. No need to sack him.
Very fair analysis
No one talking about Declan going to Arsenal? Must have been a blow to WHU’s team moral 🤔
not at all, look at what we spent that on, kudus jwp and alvarez, players we knew would change things for us
Morale
Rice had refused to sign a new contract for months on end, he’s young and ambitious and served us well, he was a great skipper and a great example who always gave 100%, we always knew he would go to a more successful club and we wish him all the best in his new adventures, as we will if Moyes leaves at the end of the season.
Been an awful 2024 for West ham but don't forget he's won them a European trophy their first ever and guided them to European spots. Put some respect on his name
It’s not West Ham’s first European trophy so don’t comment on something you obviously know nothing about
@@thomasmckeever1944whens the last time west ham won a trophy before 2023????
@e1talks632 lol their first trophy since the 80s. Acting like they won a trophy a few yrs ago. Been damn near half a century
@@suttonspeshul5585 exactly thats my point west ham dont win anything 😂😂
Well done gael , speaking really well
Jose would be perfect for this job.
10th in the league is not that bad for West Ham all things considered, and pulling up stats about possession is fine but you can't use that as a negative after acknowledging it's not their style of play. I really think this time next month the message will be different.
I'm sure they're in the top 4 for attending home matches in the country.
Why should they be happy with 10th 🤔
@@kase5377 2nd to only united infact
West Ham and Brighton are on the same points.
De Zerbi is wanted for his football philosophy and David Moyes is being hounded out.
Even although Moyes has arguably achieved more, European Cup and building West Ham up from relegation, fans still don’t want him. Madness.
Probably because more money is spent at West Ham on fees and wages with an ageing squad and no confidence on replacement players when the star ones get sold.
Clichey is really good, wanna see more of him
Can't stand Carragher, however I completely agree with him here.
Sack Moyes and the team will bring in high profile manager after high profile manager and end up nearly relegated. You see it all the time.
He or anyone, has taken West Ham as far as thry can go. He's a victim of his own success.
Yup. Not sure where West Ham fans think they should be.
So what would another manager do ?? Win champs league 😂😂😂
So a club with potential can't be ambitious to push even further? 😂 these top 6 armchair fans kill me
To quote big Sam, every team wants to play "tippy tappy" football these days. When in reality not every team is capable of doing it. Burnley should not be trying to play out from the back for example. I don't know who West Ham could get in to replace Moyes and could get this current squad getting 50%+ possession every game without a massive overhaul of players. A drastic change in styles could magically backfire on West Ham. Everton did well initially when they brought Martinez but very quickly that lack of a presence without a strong and sensible opinion sent them back down the table quickly. West Hams owners don't exactly have the best track record of making smart decisions prior to Moyes. Does anybody trust the West Ham board to make the smart decisions post Moyes?
Completely agree. Attacking high possession football is a luxury only certain clubs can afford! Brighton is perhaps the only exception (and they’ve built that over a long period from the lower leagues). A drastic overhaul at West Ham could be devastating.
IMO they need to give him till the end of the season for all that he's accomplished with the club it's the least time he deserves.
Not a massive fan of stats. But for a manger, I take more notice of stats. Motes clearly has done a great job. But it’s time for him to leave. When the fans turn on you, it’s time to go. Leave with his head held high on those stats lad
Tbf to West Ham they have been missing paqueta who is a huge player for them since the draw against Bristol city. However i know him being out is the reason they are conceding
Football fans don't remember last season, last month or last week. It's always about NOW! Sad but true.😂😂😂
I'm a West ham fan and have been for 50 years. I would leave him in position until the end of the season. We won't be relegated, won't win anything and it's been like that for years. If we jump now we could easily end up with another Pellegrini.
At last someone in the sports media that get what most of us west ham fans feel like.
He has spent 500 millon on players, we ha e the smallest squad abd the oldest squad in the league
Can’t wait for West Ham to be in the relegation zone again, just for them to reappoint Moses, again.
Exactly but fans of other teams arent interested in arguments they know they are right because the media says so... if the pundits did their homework and understood the narrative of 2 years of crap performances in the EPL compounded by his mismangement of the squad and his arrogance theyd be agreeing with the Majority of West Ham fans who want him out and other teams fans would jump on that bandwagon too... great performance tonight does not hide his other shortcomings.
@@jayrodm643Can't wait for you to stop dreaming
@robjones5581 why is it that whenever moyes needs a result to save his own skin he plays like the why we did tonight but next week we will be back to playing the normal way. Why can't he just set up like thst most weeks and we as fans would not be feeling like we are
It’s not about spend. It’s about net spend. And for net spend over the past 5 seasons you are 8th. And in the table you sit 8th. Going from barely staying up every season to being the best of the rest most seasons is an unreal job. This issue has only reared its head because West Ham had such a good start to the season and now they have been on a poor run. If they had spread their points out evenly people would still be saying that it’s a decent season for West Ham.
I don’t think there’s any WH fans that expect them to play like Man C and Arsenal. However they want more engaging football. More to that they want the defence to work. They want to use the skills of the creative players in the team that have cost a lot of money. They also want a manger that knows how to turn a game around when things aren’t working. To make incisive substitutions ina timely manner that can impact a game and rescue a point or at least get the team fighting.
I dont know how everyone missed this 7:50 😂😂
Gael Clichy is (so far) a brilliant pundit. His commentary is concise and insightful.
3:04 West Ham's best manager, in the PL era? Short memories. Harry Redknapp got a 5th place finish. Slaven Bilic got the most points we've ever achieved, in a PL season. Neither won the Europa Conference, because it didn't exist back then. Not a single PL would take Moyes. Loyalty works both ways. West Ham gave him a shot, when after he'd failed at Man Utd, Real Sociedad and relegated Sunderland. With £500m spent, an aging squad and just 1 win in 2024, West Ham do expect more.
If we are a defensive team and we can’t even defend then what are we? 6 against aresnal 3 against Utd even 2 today
More Gael please
This debate just goes to show you are totally missing the point.
Moyes will not be leaving at the end of the season because of the results or style of play, it will be because he is out of contact and Moyes, Steidten and the club can't agree new terms.
Moyes want to carry on as a manager with a lot of overall say, transfers etc.
The club and more importantly Steidten want to now hire a coach to run the first team only .
Regarding the last section. From Moyes point of view only, and if it were you, if you were offered a contract to keep earning money, you'd take it. If it turns sour and toxic he/ you gets paid off, still earn your money. Interesting to think someone would just reject an extension on a job you think you're doing well in. Or else im wrong?
Hope he goes and WH get relegated.....the West Ham way 😂😂😂......that is the WH way just avoiding relegation. Moyes is a class act he don't need to be disrespected like this.
Guessing Carra can't wait for Moysegate to take over at Liverpool 😂😂😂😂😂
I get the fans wanting to ask to sack their managers but pundits explicitly asking a manager to be sacked is a little too much
Let’s just keep in mind Moyes player spend over the last 5 years - over half a billion. The 240m is the clubs NET spend. They should be competing at 4th or 5th at that spending level. I can understand the fans frustrations completely and some of the games are dire.
I’m sure they are grateful for the relegation save and the European trophy but agree to go after the season end.
Top 7 finish a few seasons ago, currently 8th. Stabilised and made West Ham an established premier league club, and getting them European football, and then won a major trophy last season, a European one at that. Talk about ungrateful fans.
Be careful what you wish for.
Won a trophy last year 8th in the table..so sick of hearing pundits talk about Moyes and ETH. Talk about Howe and Poch for a change...
Out of all of the sky sports pundits which one is better than any premier league manager😂?
I could seriously listen to Clichy say the word Methodology all night long. What a pundit btw sounds like he’d make a decent coach.
I feel like if they got rid of Moyes another PL club would definitely benefit from his experience
8th is good for Westham how can anyone complain just because he is having a bad run.
Good for West Ham? Little ol West Ham. Condescending...
@@ASOXOIm a Bolton fan so its a compliment.
@@108noonoo Ahh. You got me. Fair play.
He won the next game with exciting football and 4 goals...
Football chat is so emotional.... Thr back-line is injured...
Arsenal was a terrible result, but we beat them twice with Moyes' signature style ⚒️⚒️⚒️
Reminds me of Spurs.
George Graham won them the League Cup, but it wasn't good enough due to the style of play "not being the Tottenham way".
Spurs won nothing since.
Everton fans wanted Moyes out after losing the FA Cup semi final to Liverpool - he went to Man Utd shortly after & in the years after Everton slowly worked there way down from competing for Europe every year, and back to where Moyes found them - fighting relegation every year and on the edge of being ruined by poor financial planning.
Or first time he was at West Ham, when they thought they could do better & had to come crawling back when no other manager could get them out of relegation fights and up the league table on their kind of budget.
Be careful what you wish for West Ham fans, not many managers out there can offer the kind of stability Moyes can. Before you force him out, you need a good replacement lined up. There needs to be a proper plan, not knee jerk nostalgia for a time you've never known.
There's not many manager's around you can point to and say with confidence "he could take West Ham forward".
Their kind of budget?
One of the biggest spenders in world football over the last 5 yrs.
Fact is no other club in the top ten would want Moyes as their manager.
His style of play and footballing principles is not what most fans want to pay to see.
He's been incredible of course but it's now about trying to get to 8th, 7th and possibly even 6th, playing with a hint of modern ideology.
Every managerial appointment is a risk.
Would rather dare to dream than being careful what to wish for 😊
@kase5377
West Ham are 8th in the Premiership on net spending over the last 5 years - same place as they currently are in the league (and not all of that spending was by Moyes).
Of the 7 clubs that outspent them over that period, 6 are currently higher in the league, all spending a net between £90m and £450m more than West Ham.
Liverpool spent around £12m less (so essentially the same) and are 9th in net spend over the same period (but were Champions in that first year, instead of 16th like West Ham - so had stronger foundations to build on).
Forest spent only £30m less than West Ham over the last 5 years and are in a relegation fight.
You sold one of your best players in the summer & haven't let Moyes reinvest that money into the squad (being one of only 4 teams in the league running at a profit looking at the last 2 transfer windows only).
Despite this, you're higher up the league than last season & you're still in Europe, in a much tougher competition than last year.
Moyes won't be there forever, but before he goes you need a proper plan for who is going to come in - most proven managers won't go to a club that doesn't match the spending of clubs they're expected to compete with - Moyes has given you a team that competes for trophies & top 6 finishes on a mid-table teams budget, that's a rare thing in the modern game.
Keep Moyes UTFT
The grass isn't always greener West Ham fans...
So impatient give moyes to the end of the season see where we are then
They're level 7th in the league after losing Rice, having injuries to their best players and playing Bowen up front (out of position)
Moyes should go but announce it after West Ham exit thos season's Europa league, whenever that is.
Won them a European trophy last season, 10 in the league currently and still in the Europa League
Seriously what do West ham fans Expect? league title? Top 4? He's done a great job and is just going through a bad patch
If you want to just survive every season and finish 14th then sack him and get someone worse. Careful what you wish for
I’d like to see my team make more than three passes before launching it long to a 5”9 striker.
@@aran7teenwhere do you actually expect West Ham to finish in the league? You think another manager would get you in the top 4 and win you the champions league?
You need a reality check son if you think there ain't better available coaches out there than Moyes?
@@kristiangibbings8082Like who? and remember this is West hame we're talking before you start mentioning big names
@@MH-vp7lf Iraola, Still, Slot, Bosz, O'Neil to name a few but should be up to the director?
The comments here from non west ham fans just proves the point that unless you watch them every week or your club is in the same situation, you really don't understand
Or it proves that they have seen these scenarios before. I remember Claude Puel at Southampton finishing 8th and a cup final with conservative football, fans insisted he must go and just presumed the replacement was going to be better. The football got worse and the results got worse and now back down in the championship.
@@philipduffy6581So the fact that after the owner died which had a lot of knock on effects including the structure changed a lot, and the Avant Garde recruitment team of last season gambling on young players in a very hard league underperforming, had nothing to do with it?
@@MrGts92 were did Southampton finish the year before that, it was a downward trend after Puel.
Don't worry if West Ham do go on a bad slide and get relegated after Moyes and all the fans blame the board as usual, there will be plenty of people to remind fans such as yourself who is really to blame.
Careful what you wish for.
@@philipduffy6581 what kind of football and recruitment strategy was there before the owner and recruitment team changed? You can't just cherry pick Puel who got sacked in no time at Leicester. Or why not mention Sean Dyche at Burnley.
@@MrGts92 didn't Leicester get relegated too after Puel.
Recruitment can make a difference, but some players recruited perform differently under different coaches, so a player bought can be deemed a flop and yet could have been a success at the difference time.
All of which is off the topic that Puel was a manager who got decent results playing conservative football and the fans weren't happy, so it begs the question would a fan prefer a team doing well and playing conservative football, or more open football and getting beat more regularly.
As always, who would replace Moyes? The usual names who have failed at other clubs, often several times.
Whereas Burnley fans are standing behind Kompany, despite their results. West Ham have a short, bad spell, and fans want him out. Go figure.
I agree, West Ham doesn't deserve Moyes
They missed Kudus for Afcon and Paqueta was injured. Give him one more go, sign two CBs and a striker
You realise Moyes picked the current CBs? And had Haller and Scamacca and they hated being here because of his tactics?
its funny that the game after this they put 4 past brentford.
moyes brought them their first trophy in decades! what more do people want
We were the man city of the conference league. It was an achievement but an expected achievement. Leicester were in the semis the year before and villa will win it this year. What do we expect? A positive attitude like we had on Monday night against the inferior teams in the league. We have some of the best attacking players in the league. Pacquta kudus and Bowen all get into the squads of the top 3. We don't expect to have win anything we just want to see out manager unleash our attacking threat against most of the team in the league. Against the best teams yes he can play more defensive
All these pragmatic managers lose their job in the prem but we’re stuck with southgate playing 7 defenders every game
This is why Gael will never be a manager. West Ham won 4-2 after his comments
West Ham had no chance of winning 3 out of the 8 matches. The other 5 matches. They should have had at least 1 win out of the 5. In the next match, West Ham have to win. Otherwise, they must understand the boss's job and transfer are coming to replace them. This summer.
the damage hurting west Ham football come from
1-selling&loan players
2-west Ham gambling supporters calling sack moyes
moyes have special history of west Ham football and wining top european finals
and what we witness now against great D.moyes.
People commenting on this clearly don’t watch West Ham, fighting relegation last season. You wouldn’t accept it at your club, but we have too because we’re West Ham.
I think Will Still is the only manager West Ham should replace Moyes with but the sudden change in philosophy could harm them.
Look at Southampton, got Nathan jones in (although hassenhutl was doing a fine job) and he was the worst manager the league has ever seen and got relegated.
Moyes has done exceptional since he joined and deserves most respect from the fans tbh, West Ham were a yoyo side for the previous 10 years before he came in and he’s given them stability and introduced exceptional fan favourite players into the club.
Will Still doesn't play free flowing, champagne football just because hes young and into Football Manager. His teams are direct.
Maybe if the fans got behind him theyd be playing better. Imagine being a player sitting where they are in the league and fans chanting "youll be sacked in the morning" to the gaffer. Hope West ham go down next year.
jamie “for me” carragher
Awful run of form of late but this guy has always been behind the 8 ball. The fans have never taken to him even after their European success. Best for him to leave.
I don't think the squad is ready for the transition to another manager. Not without a proper striker anyway
nah bro bowen class
@@lukewyeth6535 He's great but he's not a striker....he just plays there now due to injuries + Moyes' transitional style
Not every team can play “Tippy-Tappy” football …
I can understand it’s what every team & fan wants .. but it’s not as easy as City makes it look ..
West Ham fans need to show more respect to Moyes. He’s by far the greatest manager in their history. Without him West Ham would be playing in the Championship
Do spurs fan show respect to their greatest ever manager, Poch? Without him spurs would’ve been as irrelevant as the were before he came in
And he's lifted more trophies than spurs in recent years
@@WebleyCrushera joke about Spurs not winning trophies…that’s a first 😂😂
GTA 6 dropping and West Ham won a trophy before spurs won something
Who to west Ham actually think they are disgraceful
Bit daft this as they won comfortably and are now joint 7th again and had it not been for that late equaliser they would be 7th and only 3 points off 6th, hardly a terrible time for a West Ham team. Yes the Arsenal game was bad but they have been scoring goals for fun so it was unlikely that they wouldn't have done so again even in a London Derby.
Get jose
West Ham were awful last year in prem and were involved in a season long relegation battle !?
Won a competition where they were the favourites, highest value, highest wage against mostly league one/championship/ low premier level clubs.
The board needs to go! The two David’s especially!
Moses could hand an European trophy 2 seasons in a row.
Pep fooled the world with that playing out the back, when his team is the best at doing it while simultaneously being the best at the press, give over........
Playing out from the back existed before 2008.
@@kb5509matters not there's a influx now, and in my eyes Pep is the reason for it in the prem
@@Comedy-sm2yk because it works better than lumping it.
@@kb5509 it does work, I just don't thinks it well advised for the smaller teams, plus of course it's more entertaining than watching goal kick after goal kick get lumped forward to a general direction
@@Comedy-sm2yk I'm not sure about that. Actually having a go at a big team gives you a chance of either upsetting them or getting battered. Sitting back and waiting to get beat 1 or 2 maybe doesn't give you as much of a chance.
Maybe carra and Neville should part ways with sky
Daniel krampah >WHU David Moyes out
Sack Moyes and you aren’t doing any better I’m sorry, you’re 8th with 39 points, I don’t see what’s to complain about. You’re West Ham, everyone above you isn’t a shock they are above you. Could be said that it’s a surprise you’re top half. Any other expectations are beyond what anybody will achieve with that squad.
West Ham are the 8th biggest earners in the league.
Time to move on
Carra gets it. If the non supporters watch us day in day out. We not doing what things we should be doing, he picks the 11, he picks the players, he got rid of players so there is no cover. We have the oldest and smallest squad. This is a recipe for disaster in the latter part of a long season.
Football would be pure bliss if Jose Mourinho managed West Ham…. pure bonkers
A mainstream channel encouraging a football club to sack their manager. Anyone who thinks this is the way forward is beyond repair 😂
They've won a European trophy. That alone should give Moyes a season to breathe, not to mention the fact that they sold their best player. Anywhere between 11th and 17th is good enough for this team. There's nobody in the top 10 they should be above and every position below that is a free for all. So barring relegation, Moyes should stay where he is.
Love what moyes has done but these top 6 fan boy pundits act like everyone else cant be ambitious
If Liverpool had that run of results, Carragher would be doing his nut so it's okay when it's not his team!!!!
Shameful that the fans are out for him. Not to go all Rafa '09, but look at the facts. Highest win % in the PL era. Highest league finish in the PL era. First manager to win silverware in decades. Currently sat 8th, above Chelsea and Newcastle. What more could he possibly achieve?! The 7 teams above him, bar Brighton, have 10x the budget.
The fans don't like the football but the man gets results. Everybody outside West Ham knows that, if they sack him for a more fancied name, they'll end up between 12th and 18th next year and, judging by the way they're treating their most successful manager, the fans will deserve it.
Not good time for West Ham United fans