I know this is very late but just thought I'd give you some insight as I actually train in this art. We use both straight and curved sword and although we do have thrusting sword techniques there are reasons we do not like using them. The first being it is quite difficult to thrust through good plate or chain mail, so specific daggers were invented to do so. The peshkabz or the katars were always carried by skilled warriors to punch through armour, in such scenarios the sword is used as a tool to create openings, pins hands out position etc so you could get close enough to use daggers. if we are using the sword to thrust it's usually to the shallow thrust to the throat or between armour into soft debilitating spots like the underarm, very rarely do we perform very deep thrusts which I'll explain in point 2. Second reason. With deep thrusting attacks there is a high risk that the opponent will twist, fall or even grab onto your weapon while he dies making it hard for you to retrieve your sword. In the worst case scenarios your sword can bend or break depending on how well the thrust is performed the quality of your blade and how the opponent receives it. even at very low level soldiers were taught that if they did become impaled or mortally struck, their next objective was to grab onto the opponent to ensure their comrades could take him out. so deep thrust with long swords are extremely dangerous in this case. The third and final reason is probably the most important in terms of strategy and applications. To perform deep thrusting attack you generally have to be either stationary or commit to one direction of movement (or run the risk of bending / breaking /getting sword stuck in the opponent). this makes you a very easy target not only for your dying opponent who wants to grab you, but for anyone in the vicinity. In this art we prefer to constantly be on the move, Constantly changing direction to reduce the chance of being struck. Especially when striking an opponent, which is when you become most vulnerable. Even you do get a deep thrusting attack into the opponent they can still swing at you. we prefer to slash the opponent whilst moving away from their optimal striking range/position to prevent such scenarios. So Curved swords were preferred for their slashing ability and utility advantages provided by the curve i.e circumventing Shields or gaurds, slight hooking ability and its striking/range options (by simply turning the sword the tip will travel a great distance thanks to the curve, giving you more options to play with in each position)
The Sikhs do preserve it. It is part of our warrior DNA. Not even the British could occupy Punjab. The Sikhs wouldn't let them until they were sold out by the Hindu Government
@@amartatla5131 What about the Idea of making the whole indian subcontinent a Sikh land? Pakistan and Bangladesh are sold to Arabs while the Indians are entitling policians and priests as gods. Both bring shame to the ancestors, indeed, destruction to ancestral contributions because of neglect. Making a majority Sikh population will be the new era which will reunite the Indic race(whatever name it is given to the race of the indian subcontinent). I encourage you to discuss this with your peers.
@@dhananjayvasudeva7628 When I search up sanatana shastravidhya, all I see is results involving Sikhs. While it may have created by hindu people, its been perfected and adopted by Sikhs. So chill
Deus Ghosh uhhh.. This guy, and others like him, are the ones keeping the remains of your great civilization standing. While everyone else went and modernized, he actually spent time learning about culture and battle, Careful where you point criticism and blame.
Thank you for that. I had to opportunity to train with some Sikh gentlemen. I took them through some basic Katori Shinto Ryu (one of the oldest Japanese styles), and they showed me a tiny taste of these amazing techniques you have been showing. Fascinating! Extremely different approaches - great to share with one another!
Brother Nihang ji in 1974 I have gone some holly place of near 2 hours bus rout there was a very place. There was two. Many stair, But challenge was you go up without stopping but two bous done clearly, there were A respected Nihang they give me offer to become me as Nigang, I respect them and promised I always respect all the Sardaar and Nihangs. Now I am 68 age but still I have proud of me , Thank You my respected Dada Ji. I have understand what I missed me.
Hm...very interesting, and it's great to see the tulwar. But I need to see pressure-testing. All these slow-mo demos are well and good, but I can't get behind it till I see either some free play, or a demo against a resisting opponent.
I'm hesitant concretely comment on what he's doing without actually training with him but I'm going to do it anyways since I've watched a bunch of this stuff now. On some levels I'm very impressed. The way he moves clearly shows he's spent an incredible amount of time doing this. However everything on youtube appears to be shown with real weapons where any contact would be pretty prohibitive. With students pretty clearly egressing their limbs out of the way of sharp blades. I really like the material on subtle angulation and moving into attacking space covered by the blade. It actually jives with a lot of the silat material I have studied. I guess my curiosity would be 2 fold. Is this stuff ever trained at speed and resistance? I am actually a huge fan of pattern drills, give and take play, and compliant partner training. That's what builds foundation skills. However in my experience, under adrenal load and in combat time lots of that powerful subtle motion can be really difficult to manifest. Based on time I spent at DBMA I would say it's definitely possible, but it requires an equal amount of practice sparring to commute that drilling skill set into combat application. I think that's what MMA really showed the world and I think you can see lots of other martial arts applying that to their training. I just wonder if that's something that they do but they just don't put on the net. I don't think I've even seen training weapons or gear (fencing masks/gloves/pads/etc) in their videos? The second is more "philosophical". Is it really possible (or ever safe) to subtly angle out against an unchecked full sized sword? What if you don't kill him in that one strike? Even if your next move kills the person his arm could flail wildly. Most sword systems I have played have some method of "And that's the kill shot, now check to the blade shoulder/elbow/blade/hand with either your weapon or offhand to make sure it's not unexpectedly careening into you".
Keep in mind that this is a Traditional Martial Art in the truest sense. This stuff is like thousands of years old and the point of this is to show the art to the world and conserve the knowledge. If you want to train full contact with fencing masks and rattan sticks and adjust your training to today's world as much as possible, you can always do that, there are tons of different systems for that, but I don't see anything wrong with keeping an ancient art alive by training according to the tradition, not least for cultural historical reasons.
brottarnacke I don't disagree with this at all. I am someone who spends most of his training time doing old traditional arts in the traditional manner. I think there's tons of value in that kind of training and preservation. I would just love to see some of this in application without sharp weapons. I really like what I see but they have to pull a lot of cuts so you know, people don't die. I'm not saying I need to see it full on sparred (although that would be really cool too).
David Bator In the traditional Akhadas (Indian dojo) throughout India these styles are taught with full speed and resistance. First with sword length bamboo sticks then with real but blunt swords. Sharp swords are given at the very end when the pupil has achieved considerable mastery. Injuries are quite common and one training to be a warrior is expected to bear it with equanimity. In earlier days the training used to be with fully functional sharp swords.
As has already been said before, this is supposed to be a battlefield art. It was supposedly tested extensively on actual battlefields and by people who probably had to kill to survive. What you see in this video is but a faint shadow of what it would have actually looked like 600 years ago when it was actually trained by people who had to fight to survive. An art like this would have taken immense dedication and training to be actually applicable in a life or death battle. The kind of training one would only accept when they knew that their very survival depended on it. You are absolutely correct in saying that this type of swordplay would require immense levels of concentration and agility to pull off at an acceptable level. Only the very elite troops and royalty would have the time and resources to reasonably master such a style. Someone like Mr. Singh, while very informed and knowledgable, certainly wouldn't compare in physique and perhaps experience to someone from the old days who actively used these techniques on an actual battlefield. He can show you what is supposed to happen, but unless you train as well as a solder from the old days, you'll probably never get to the point where you can feel assured that the guy you killed is really, truly, dead. Hitting a vital point is different from stabbing someone randomly. Correctly hitting a vital point ensures that a threat has been neutralized. A man can't use his arm if the nerves and tendons in it have been severed. The blood loss from a severed artery is probably debilitating enough to make retaliation improbable. But even then, you have to be constantly aware of the situation and know for sure that the threat has indeed been neutralized. Its something that takes years and decades of experience to truly master, and in our current day and age, it's all but impossible to use actual battle to hone your skills. If this art could be modernized and the blades could be substituted with a marking stick to show when the opponent has been hit, It would truly be an amazing sight to see.
The idea of the martial art is what ever weapon is introduced they will incorporate it into the martial arts. The nihangs have even incorporated how to use guns in their martial arts.
This Babaji is simply amazing! I can't stop watching his videos. Wondering how many years he has dedicated to Gatka to have become so good. Sad thing is in India, we don't respect our own arts and traditions. I wish they would teach these things in schools else many of these arts might die out in a couple of generations, as these Gurus and their lifestyle is not being supported financially by society. Real respect for the teacher and the students.
My sensei is a humble man and loves to learn. I bet he would love this art because his favorite style is Chinese eagle claw and Japanese kendo/ kempo. He likes to learn many styles and this his hand to hand combat has a lot of resemblances to some o kempo and a lot of eagle claw whic is taugh to the CIA in America
I wish i could make some Sparring with them(i know that they would be probably all better then me ^^) but it would be really interesting how they react on european guards and movements ^^
Thanks so much for posting! Greatly inspired by the attitude and tempos, particularly regarding the techniques with two weapons. Obviously there's a lot of dedicated training going on here. If I wanted to try this style of martial arts out, how would I best go about doing so? I am located in Stockholm. Does anyone know? PM me! Again, thanks.
What length is the Persian ox cutter? It reminds me of the 6 foot Min (king sword) Dha of Burmese Thiang. They used them to turn a elephants advance by the cutting off of its trunk.
Very interesting series, I enjoyed it immensely. Interesting to see fencing from countries other than China, Japan, Amerika, and parts of Europe. Thank you for sharing.
Don't know about you all, but I don't give a damn about his religious views. He's great at fighting and great at teaching it, and that's all that matters here. Hell, I don't even care if he starts preaching sometimes. If he teaches what he needs to, that's good enough for me.
I know this is a very old video, but I would love to see some actual sparring. I have the same problem with Gatka, there is no actual match that i can find, that proves that our arts are applicable in a real life scenario. I understand we had something incredible in the past, hence why our army won with such great odds of losing. BUT WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? I think we have lost it, but i would love to learn it.
Interesting video. It's so different from other Martial Arts. Also, that last sword and shield combo? That sword totally looked like He-Man's sword of power.
I am unable to find any resources on the "Persian ox-cutter" online, and I can't make out the words immediately following. It's a beautiful sword and I would like to know more about it. I think I heard him say that it was a shamshir, but I didn't hear what kind. Is it related to the Chinese Zhanmadao?
One of the words that follows is definitely "shamshir" and I assume the other is a word meaning "large" or "long", and in my research I've found no historical records, therefore it is most likely to be a sword invented for the martial art itself with no historical background.
I can help you. The Persian ox-cutter is a famous type of master's sword knocked up by an idiot in his garage from a piece of scrap iron. That's the reason you won't find any reference to it at all, anywhere, except here.
Still some people of Maharashtra have their forefathers old weapons but nowdays it's just art of our forefathers that we have to preserve , because now the time is to use Ak 47
no at time also this art was exit in between marathas like chatrapati shivaji and between nairs of kerala .its a part of mother of all martial art kalaripayattu.that is deadly and terrific martial art of this world taught by rishi agastya and parshuram.
Beautiful language of swordsmanship...love the video thank you. A humble question, what kind of armor was used ? only because these techniques would have been blindly fast to be effective.Thank you
Chain mail, breast plates and cotton pads with turbans or helmets during the medieval age. Leather vests covered with metal plates, chain mail (classical era), cotton vests and scale armour with turbans or helmets during the ancient and classical periods.
Actually it wasnt all the time :D often rather than swords they used javelins, harpoons, bows and slings on range and as close-range weapons, spears, two-hand hammers, axes used. For example in anatolia they went for curved blades due it works better against light armor (leater etc) in england large 2handed swords in spain short double-sided sword that was ideal for stabbing.(Also became model for roman gladious) So it depended on armor of opponents they were facing and often spears and blunt weapons chosen over swords.
+clubinglex European swords were often used for stabbing, that's something which can be done with a curved sword too, although it is not very practical. That's why european sword really shines; you can stab through the weak parts of heavy armour - while halfswording!!- (such as chainmail, or platemail) and even through full-plate armor, which was commonly used in battles (that although takes some skill and practicing - you either hit the joints of the armor, or you have to put your oponent down firstly). Also european swords were used as lever and had more disarming and controlling your opponent directly - sword on sword. Which (as the man suggests many times) is actually something completely uncommon for the curved swords. You basically want not to stop the movement with the curved sword (be very offensive and continue the motion of swinging while defending or being offensive) whereas the european sword gives you great deal of defense while held and moved properly.
Jan Kříž You're rather missguided ? With equal force 10-15% degree curved sword staps equvelent or deeper it makes even easyer to go for connection points in armor and suprisingly deeper which makes it more efficent. Also obviously false that straight sword grants more defence it's the opposite continuation of flow does adds to offence doesn't sap your defence if it stops for one hand swords For bigger two hand swords you maybe right.
I spent a few minutes researching and found that this individual's teaching has been considered controversial at best within the Sikh community. Other religious authorities and Sikh martial arts authorities have written tracts condemning him. He also charges for his seminars, which call his motives into question. That said, I am most certainly an outsider to the Sikh religion and martial arts. However, from my background with rapier, longsword, dagger, and fencing, his opponents seem incredibly compliant and the demonstration seems quite staged. I could not claim this is bullshido, but I'd take these claims with a very large grain of salt.
gee dubz You can't find any faults in very compliant opponents? Granted, it is a demonstration, but the fact that there's no videos of non-compliant, full speed sparring that demonstrates these techniques is at least a bit weird.
Its cultural introvertism , they have their factions and and feel that they should keep the art to their own religion, and are incensed at the prospect of others learning it, which i would understand 200 years ago, but nowadays its a dying art, and he is trying to save it, by making it available to more people.
GURU dont need to be taught they are the material avatar of GOD.shastra vidya is not only the technique of swinging sword it is something deep in our religion .bir ras,worship of shastras as god ,power to fight 1.15 lakh alone all these make sikh shastra vidya different from any other.Also for ur information all kind of teaching were taught by BABA BUDHA JI(see sikh historywritten by bhai vir singh).GURU JI GIVE CONCEPT OF MIRI AND PIRI unique and never put forward by any other avtar before.
A lot of people have challenged him....boxers as well as fencers....he's beaten them all.....he's called "gurudev" for a good reason....I have trained under him for a couple of months....believe me he's amazing!
Christophe Clugston if you only had an idea of how much blood was shed just for setting up this akhara you wouldn't ask for a video.some people from his own community want him dead and gone.
PIYUSH BANERJEE see that the thing, that doesn't so much speak for his experience in fighting as much as it speaks for his desire to dominate and hurt others. as i stated before from the video the guy does not seem to know what hes doing, for starters everyone hes "teaching" is without sword and they cannot defend themselves, second the guys intentionally bearing down on the people only letting up when he sees them submit through fear, ive taken several years of classes in Rapier and German Long Sword, everything he did in that video isnt anything special.
really true.bus sardaro ne chilla chilla kar khe dia ki ham laye hai ye martial art islia logo ko laga ki yahi laye hai.asal me ye martial art hindu kshatriyo ki den hai sardaro ko.ghamand me chur insano ko sahi gyan to ho hi ni sakta na.hahahha
3 against 1? I have my doupts, and realy choping a head of ? The only thing i knowe of this ,trek het zwaard naar je toe heald youre hand as close to youre body! Look at the Samoerai i respect these man, the are not violent,but fight if needed
You know what? I've seen your shitty comments on every one of these videos, and I'm actually curious if it's just complete lack of knowledge of any martial arts, too many Hollywood movies, or some personal insecurity. There's a BBC segment stating he's the only disciple of an 80 year-old hermit, who I would only assume is the Indian equivalent of Miyamoto Musashi or Bak Mei. So please stop being a douche-bag and keep the lame comments to yourself.
Singh saab fateh parwaan karni ..................ji ..........your looks are very lion like .......very ferocious but l am not very convinced about this swordman ship...........but thanks any way ........
please show real fight not just only demonstration. all the guyz are just stoped when you show your "techniques" No one will ever stop in combat. Just sparring and show it.
Amateurs. When facing a superior opponent three on one you stand in a triangle. They might be able to see two of you if they are lucky but have no chance against three. You don't stand in a line bunched together where master swordsman can hit all three of you.
Not the greatest swordsman but the principles are kind of basic... for instance when the oponent raises the hand you don't go for the chest you actually take his hand off as the hand is being raised
о, ТЮРБАН +5 к ловкости, синие тряпки +5 к выносливости, борода + 50 к харизме...в принципе можно даже и оружие не брать, антуража одежки достаточно, что бы соперник от смеха сдох!
an armed swords man coming towards you , use shastra vidya and survive for next day. what rubbish shower him with stones and run away easy for public , a stone can take shit out of anything sensible. as per video this looks confusion more than technique.
He didn't mention the Muslim civilization who ruled these people for more than a thousand years. Muslims from central Asia defeated them on their lands with their superior techniques.
@@amitbhatt5343 if you read the history it clearly mentions that central asian steppes horsemen were excellent archers able to shoot arrows while riding their bows and arrows were smaller but could shoot with higher velocities. they were lighter and the armies could maneuver quickly.
@@muhammadzeeshan5852 good manuverabilty or lighter weight do helps in winning the war, but if I would say u don't have enough equipment with you even the lighter one but had good amount of soldier's as Spartans,it will made your mind much more powerful and superior that you can and you will win the war in long run or short run ,As you have confidence on your soldier's strength and complete state unity, Whenever you loose any of side the load of tarazo (paemana) get disbalanced... Indian king's our ancestors were engaged on fighting with eachother instead making healthier or I can say balanced decision by making all directions happier, That's why they loose..u never ever have to think like you knows everything..u have to keep on learning and moving like air flow and adpating parivartan as lord Krishna said ...Even before Mughal folks , india do have very stupid relegious followship that doesn't meant to be followed like sati pratha the old Brahmical errors ,King's and kings son's keep on following such un-Nobel ethics but in 21st century India is again moving forward to become great empire...India was great and will be great but people need to love each other and keep on moving... Instead of following media people must need to follow true path of Dharma,I don't say stop drinks stop enjoying sex or anybsuch thing,I just want developed state and it would only be possible of people would become welcoming not questioning ?..Once the dude get developed they will not dominated by any other civilization...even by those Hollywood 👽
I believe that's not a gospel truth since victory in ISLAM means total Islamization of the land the Muslim army conquered as after every Islamic conquest the ultimatum ISLAM or DEATH was prevalent. In that case I believe unbroken 1000 years old Muslim ruled prevailed in most part of Ancient undivided India or Akhand Bharat which comprised of Eastern Afghanistan, modern Pakistan, Kashmir, Bangladesh, where resistance to invaders was meagre and people chose to get circumcisioned instead of fighting and giving up their head, simply to save honour of their land and womenfolk. This was the reason why many rich civilizations couldn't stand and were wiped out before the onslaught of ISLAM. Ancient pharoah-land(Egypt), zorashtrian perisa(iran), Mesopotamia(iraq), Assyria(syria), phoenecia(lebanon), Babylon, buddhist central asia, entire north africa and european Albania and Bosnia and many more. The present day India though greatly reduced to its ancient glory still has 80% hindu majority despite 1000 year old Hindu Muslim conflict. This is a clear proof that Muslims failed to conquer and subdue the Indians who waged restless wars against the bloodthirsty Jihadis. In ancient times if it was the Marathas, Sikhs, Jaats or Rajputs, now its the Modi, Yogi and Thackery. INDIAN civilization keeps the fight against the Jihad. The third world war is imminent, it wud not be ISLAM vs the West, rather it wud be ISLAM vs the Rest. All those who are born with sword shall die by the sword. We can hope to see ISLAM's end with the conclusion of 3rd world war
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I know this is very late but just thought I'd give you some insight as I actually train in this art.
We use both straight and curved sword and although we do have thrusting sword techniques there are reasons we do not like using them.
The first being it is quite difficult to thrust through good plate or chain mail, so specific daggers were invented to do so. The peshkabz or the katars were always carried by skilled warriors to punch through armour, in such scenarios the sword is used as a tool to create openings, pins hands out position etc so you could get close enough to use daggers. if we are using the sword to thrust it's usually to the shallow thrust to the throat or between armour into soft debilitating spots like the underarm, very rarely do we perform very deep thrusts which I'll explain in point 2.
Second reason. With deep thrusting attacks there is a high risk that the opponent will twist, fall or even grab onto your weapon while he dies making it hard for you to retrieve your sword. In the worst case scenarios your sword can bend or break depending on how well the thrust is performed the quality of your blade and how the opponent receives it. even at very low level soldiers were taught that if they did become impaled or mortally struck, their next objective was to grab onto the opponent to ensure their comrades could take him out. so deep thrust with long swords are extremely dangerous in this case.
The third and final reason is probably the most important in terms of strategy and applications. To perform deep thrusting attack you generally have to be either stationary or commit to one direction of movement (or run the risk of bending / breaking /getting sword stuck in the opponent). this makes you a very easy target not only for your dying opponent who wants to grab you, but for anyone in the vicinity. In this art we prefer to constantly be on the move, Constantly changing direction to reduce the chance of being struck. Especially when striking an opponent, which is when you become most vulnerable. Even you do get a deep thrusting attack into the opponent they can still swing at you. we prefer to slash the opponent whilst moving away from their optimal striking range/position to prevent such scenarios.
So Curved swords were preferred for their slashing ability and utility advantages provided by the curve i.e circumventing Shields or gaurds, slight hooking ability and its striking/range options (by simply turning the sword the tip will travel a great distance thanks to the curve, giving you more options to play with in each position)
hey can you tell me about the different type of swords please
As a foreigner I have only one thing to say: "PRESERVE THIS ART!"
The Sikhs do preserve it. It is part of our warrior DNA. Not even the British could occupy Punjab. The Sikhs wouldn't let them until they were sold out by the Hindu Government
@@amartatla5131 What about the Idea of making the whole indian subcontinent a Sikh land? Pakistan and Bangladesh are sold to Arabs while the Indians are entitling policians and priests as gods. Both bring shame to the ancestors, indeed, destruction to ancestral contributions because of neglect.
Making a majority Sikh population will be the new era which will reunite the Indic race(whatever name it is given to the race of the indian subcontinent). I encourage you to discuss this with your peers.
@@yash8703 we are the masters of this earth.
@@amartatla5131 We shall maintain contact. How may i reach you on facebook?
@@amartatla5131 I send you a msg on messenger. Check it up.
It is criminal how little we know, celebrate and practice Indian martial arts
As a fencer I can tell that his dual-wield technique is really shining. Really loved that part.
"in india we put a gun in a sword" that was just amazing, great video :)
That barehanded 3 on 1 was truly a thing of beauty. I'm quickly becoming a fan of the Sikh fighting arts...
That is sanatana shastravidhya not sikh arts
@@dhananjayvasudeva7628 who you replied is still a " बच्चा"
@@dhananjayvasudeva7628 When I search up sanatana shastravidhya, all I see is results involving Sikhs. While it may have created by hindu people, its been perfected and adopted by Sikhs. So chill
@@HarvirParmar99 I know that brother, Sikhs always have protected the culture of Hindus with great pride, respect to all the sikhs
@@HarvirParmar99
Sikhs are protectors ❤
the remains of our great civilization ..............
Deus Ghosh uhhh.. This guy, and others like him, are the ones keeping the remains of your great civilization standing. While everyone else went and modernized, he actually spent time learning about culture and battle, Careful where you point criticism and blame.
+csys690 This art was meant to evolve. It was put to a halt because of the British banning this art.
Bappa Rawal Lol, did you even read what I wrote? Or were you just too focused on what you wanted to write?
csys690
Yes I have read what you wrote but I just wanted to point that out.
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Thank you for that.
I had to opportunity to train with some Sikh gentlemen. I took them through some basic Katori Shinto Ryu (one of the oldest Japanese styles), and they showed me a tiny taste of these amazing techniques you have been showing. Fascinating! Extremely different approaches - great to share with one another!
Brother Nihang ji in 1974 I have gone some holly place of near 2 hours bus rout there was a very place. There was two. Many stair, But challenge was you go up without stopping but two bous done clearly, there were A respected Nihang they give me offer to become me as Nigang, I respect them and promised I always respect all the Sardaar and Nihangs. Now I am 68 age but still I have proud of me , Thank You my respected Dada Ji. I have understand what I missed me.
Hm...very interesting, and it's great to see the tulwar. But I need to see pressure-testing. All these slow-mo demos are well and good, but I can't get behind it till I see either some free play, or a demo against a resisting opponent.
They are resisting. He is just too good.
He's full of it
@@Me-hu9br He is just moving twice the speed then they are. Everyone is unbeatable if they are moving as fast as the flash.
@@propositionjoe6936 Exactly. I get that this is a demo for the camera, but I really want to see these techniques in HEMA-style sparring.
@@raizumichin Not going to happen. He is to full of himself to risk what he would consider humiliation. There are plenty of his kind out there.
All makes sense. High quality swordsmanship! Big thank you!
Thats how 22 sikh soldiers defeated 300 Afghan soldiers. Indian history is full of such astonishing real incidents of warrior's bravery.
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this guy is very impressing. I have never seen such high skilled armed fighting
I'm hesitant concretely comment on what he's doing without actually training with him but I'm going to do it anyways since I've watched a bunch of this stuff now.
On some levels I'm very impressed. The way he moves clearly shows he's spent an incredible amount of time doing this. However everything on youtube appears to be shown with real weapons where any contact would be pretty prohibitive. With students pretty clearly egressing their limbs out of the way of sharp blades.
I really like the material on subtle angulation and moving into attacking space covered by the blade. It actually jives with a lot of the silat material I have studied. I guess my curiosity would be 2 fold.
Is this stuff ever trained at speed and resistance? I am actually a huge fan of pattern drills, give and take play, and compliant partner training. That's what builds foundation skills. However in my experience, under adrenal load and in combat time lots of that powerful subtle motion can be really difficult to manifest. Based on time I spent at DBMA I would say it's definitely possible, but it requires an equal amount of practice sparring to commute that drilling skill set into combat application. I think that's what MMA really showed the world and I think you can see lots of other martial arts applying that to their training. I just wonder if that's something that they do but they just don't put on the net. I don't think I've even seen training weapons or gear (fencing masks/gloves/pads/etc) in their videos?
The second is more "philosophical". Is it really possible (or ever safe) to subtly angle out against an unchecked full sized sword? What if you don't kill him in that one strike? Even if your next move kills the person his arm could flail wildly. Most sword systems I have played have some method of "And that's the kill shot, now check to the blade shoulder/elbow/blade/hand with either your weapon or offhand to make sure it's not unexpectedly careening into you".
Keep in mind that this is a Traditional Martial Art in the truest sense. This stuff is like thousands of years old and the point of this is to show the art to the world and conserve the knowledge. If you want to train full contact with fencing masks and rattan sticks and adjust your training to today's world as much as possible, you can always do that, there are tons of different systems for that, but I don't see anything wrong with keeping an ancient art alive by training according to the tradition, not least for cultural historical reasons.
brottarnacke I don't disagree with this at all. I am someone who spends most of his training time doing old traditional arts in the traditional manner. I think there's tons of value in that kind of training and preservation.
I would just love to see some of this in application without sharp weapons. I really like what I see but they have to pull a lot of cuts so you know, people don't die. I'm not saying I need to see it full on sparred (although that would be really cool too).
David Bator
Yeah that would be nice to see.
David Bator In the traditional Akhadas (Indian dojo) throughout India these styles are taught with full speed and resistance. First with sword length bamboo sticks then with real but blunt swords. Sharp swords are given at the very end when the pupil has achieved considerable mastery. Injuries are quite common and one training to be a warrior is expected to bear it with equanimity. In earlier days the training used to be with fully functional sharp swords.
As has already been said before, this is supposed to be a battlefield art. It was supposedly tested extensively on actual battlefields and by people who probably had to kill to survive. What you see in this video is but a faint shadow of what it would have actually looked like 600 years ago when it was actually trained by people who had to fight to survive.
An art like this would have taken immense dedication and training to be actually applicable in a life or death battle. The kind of training one would only accept when they knew that their very survival depended on it.
You are absolutely correct in saying that this type of swordplay would require immense levels of concentration and agility to pull off at an acceptable level. Only the very elite troops and royalty would have the time and resources to reasonably master such a style. Someone like Mr. Singh, while very informed and knowledgable, certainly wouldn't compare in physique and perhaps experience to someone from the old days who actively used these techniques on an actual battlefield. He can show you what is supposed to happen, but unless you train as well as a solder from the old days, you'll probably never get to the point where you can feel assured that the guy you killed is really, truly, dead.
Hitting a vital point is different from stabbing someone randomly. Correctly hitting a vital point ensures that a threat has been neutralized. A man can't use his arm if the nerves and tendons in it have been severed. The blood loss from a severed artery is probably debilitating enough to make retaliation improbable. But even then, you have to be constantly aware of the situation and know for sure that the threat has indeed been neutralized. Its something that takes years and decades of experience to truly master, and in our current day and age, it's all but impossible to use actual battle to hone your skills.
If this art could be modernized and the blades could be substituted with a marking stick to show when the opponent has been hit, It would truly be an amazing sight to see.
His concepts are on point with modern combative principles.
they should make a game about this martial art as it has a lot of diverse weapons
The idea of the martial art is what ever weapon is introduced they will incorporate it into the martial arts. The nihangs have even incorporated how to use guns in their martial arts.
"You dare not give energy"
Real talk.
This is ancient indian war art.......salute
This Babaji is simply amazing! I can't stop watching his videos. Wondering how many years he has dedicated to Gatka to have become so good. Sad thing is in India, we don't respect our own arts and traditions. I wish they would teach these things in schools else many of these arts might die out in a couple of generations, as these Gurus and their lifestyle is not being supported financially by society. Real respect for the teacher and the students.
This is not gatka, this is shastar vidiya!
As a guy who fights in armour regularly I really like the emphasis on working around armour and it being a waste of time trying to hammer through it.
My sensei is a humble man and loves to learn. I bet he would love this art because his favorite style is Chinese eagle claw and Japanese kendo/ kempo. He likes to learn many styles and this his hand to hand combat has a lot of resemblances to some o kempo and a lot of eagle claw whic is taugh to the CIA in America
I wish i could make some Sparring with them(i know that they would be probably all better then me ^^) but it would be really interesting how they react on european guards and movements ^^
amazing! now i totally understand why you have to find a successor...beautiful!
Thanks so much for posting!
Greatly inspired by the attitude and tempos, particularly regarding the techniques with two weapons.
Obviously there's a lot of dedicated training going on here.
If I wanted to try this style of martial arts out, how would I best go about doing so? I am located in Stockholm. Does anyone know?
PM me!
Again, thanks.
What length is the Persian ox cutter? It reminds me of the 6 foot Min (king sword) Dha of Burmese Thiang. They used them to turn a elephants advance by the cutting off of its trunk.
That huge sword at 5:28 looks kind of like the Bhavani Talwar that Maharaj Shivaji of the Maratha used. Exept this one looks thicker.
+Bappa Rawal Its called a "kharag khanda" or a "bara muthia khanda". Legend has it that it was the primary sword of Lord Shiva.
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Thanks cause I notice the design is different from other Khandas.
Very interesting series, I enjoyed it immensely. Interesting to see fencing from countries other than China, Japan, Amerika, and parts of Europe. Thank you for sharing.
Don't know about you all, but I don't give a damn about his religious views. He's great at fighting and great at teaching it, and that's all that matters here. Hell, I don't even care if he starts preaching sometimes. If he teaches what he needs to, that's good enough for me.
i realy love those straight blade swords and its fighting style
the persian oxcutter looks alot like a european kriegsmesser (war-knife), which was a cheap but very effektive weapon for mercenaries.
It's amazing to see him slip the tip of the sword in so effortlessly.
I know this is a very old video, but I would love to see some actual sparring. I have the same problem with Gatka, there is no actual match that i can find, that proves that our arts are applicable in a real life scenario. I understand we had something incredible in the past, hence why our army won with such great odds of losing. BUT WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? I think we have lost it, but i would love to learn it.
Hi im a christian would you teach christians
Interesting video. It's so different from other Martial Arts.
Also, that last sword and shield combo? That sword totally looked like He-Man's sword of power.
I am a fan of this guy
I am unable to find any resources on the "Persian ox-cutter" online, and I can't make out the words immediately following. It's a beautiful sword and I would like to know more about it. I think I heard him say that it was a shamshir, but I didn't hear what kind. Is it related to the Chinese Zhanmadao?
One of the words that follows is definitely "shamshir" and I assume the other is a word meaning "large" or "long", and in my research I've found no historical records, therefore it is most likely to be a sword invented for the martial art itself with no historical background.
So it's like the Chinese shuang dao in that regard? Damn, I would have loved some more historical information on the weapon's use.
I can help you. The Persian ox-cutter is a famous type of master's sword knocked up by an idiot in his garage from a piece of scrap iron. That's the reason you won't find any reference to it at all, anywhere, except here.
Do hath Shamshir or two handed Shamshir.
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Mestre, faço uma pergunta:esta mesma técnica pode ser usada com uma espada japonesa kodachi? Técnica muito boa,3 vídeos excelentes
Why was he making light saber noises from star wars😂 0:21 the force is strong in this dude.
seema qadri haha lmao yeah
this whole series is awesome, but I'd love to see some sparring with sticks
Still some people of Maharashtra have their forefathers old weapons but nowdays it's just art of our forefathers that we have to preserve , because now the time is to use Ak 47
The art can evolve to include guns.
I'd love to see a real sparring match, I can't find one online.
i also like this man.he is real sikh apart from egoism.
Would shield and axe or axes ever have a place in Indian warfare?
Always
What is the sword ox cutter called? I didn't see it in google
why is there no actual examples in 3 parts of videos? where is sparring?
Jai Rajputana
Sir can you please tell me where I can buy authentic high carbon steel talwars online in Indo-Pak?
Om
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Wow 👍🏽
I probably won't get a response, but I really want to know the name of the sword used at the beginning of the video, in the dual wielding part
Kati or saif
no at time also this art was exit in between marathas like chatrapati shivaji and between nairs of kerala .its a part of mother of all martial art kalaripayattu.that is deadly and terrific martial art of this world taught by rishi agastya and parshuram.
No, this art is from taxila which is now in Pakistan.
Beautiful language of swordsmanship...love the video thank you. A humble question, what kind of armor was used ? only because these techniques would have been blindly fast to be effective.Thank you
Chain mail, breast plates and cotton pads with turbans or helmets during the medieval age.
Leather vests covered with metal plates, chain mail (classical era), cotton vests and scale armour with turbans or helmets during the ancient and classical periods.
Mahakal?
Thank you for posting
is curved blade better for un armoured fight ?
clubinglex Yes .
so why celtic blade was straight ?
Actually it wasnt all the time :D
often rather than swords they used javelins, harpoons, bows and slings on range and as close-range weapons, spears, two-hand hammers, axes used.
For example in anatolia they went for curved blades due it works better against light armor (leater etc)
in england large 2handed swords in spain short double-sided sword that was ideal for stabbing.(Also became model for roman gladious)
So it depended on armor of opponents they were facing and often spears and blunt weapons chosen over swords.
+clubinglex European swords were often used for stabbing, that's something which can be done with a curved sword too, although it is not very practical. That's why european sword really shines; you can stab through the weak parts of heavy armour - while halfswording!!- (such as chainmail, or platemail) and even through full-plate armor, which was commonly used in battles (that although takes some skill and practicing - you either hit the joints of the armor, or you have to put your oponent down firstly). Also european swords were used as lever and had more disarming and controlling your opponent directly - sword on sword. Which (as the man suggests many times) is actually something completely uncommon for the curved swords. You basically want not to stop the movement with the curved sword (be very offensive and continue the motion of swinging while defending or being offensive) whereas the european sword gives you great deal of defense while held and moved properly.
Jan Kříž You're rather missguided ?
With equal force 10-15% degree curved sword staps equvelent or deeper it makes even easyer to go for connection points in armor and suprisingly deeper which makes it more efficent.
Also obviously false that straight sword grants more defence it's the opposite
continuation of flow does adds to offence doesn't sap your defence if it stops for one hand swords
For bigger two hand swords you maybe right.
Why does he practice killing his friends all day? :(
Talvar and shield vs long boy
I spent a few minutes researching and found that this individual's teaching has been considered controversial at best within the Sikh community. Other religious authorities and Sikh martial arts authorities have written tracts condemning him. He also charges for his seminars, which call his motives into question. That said, I am most certainly an outsider to the Sikh religion and martial arts. However, from my background with rapier, longsword, dagger, and fencing, his opponents seem incredibly compliant and the demonstration seems quite staged.
I could not claim this is bullshido, but I'd take these claims with a very large grain of salt.
I go by what I see rather than what I've read, and I can't find fault with what I'm seeing.
gee dubz You can't find any faults in very compliant opponents? Granted, it is a demonstration, but the fact that there's no videos of non-compliant, full speed sparring that demonstrates these techniques is at least a bit weird.
Its cultural introvertism , they have their factions and and feel that they should keep the art to their own religion, and are incensed at the prospect of others learning it, which i would understand 200 years ago, but nowadays its a dying art, and he is trying to save it, by making it available to more people.
why dont master uses wood in place of steel, it is cheap and good , least lethal. if somebody gets hit no severe wound.
This guy is good.
Respect.
Most Sikhs belong to Kshatriya Ancestry anyway. So what is the point? ;)
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GURU dont need to be taught they are the material avatar of GOD.shastra vidya is not only the technique of swinging sword it is something deep in our religion .bir ras,worship of shastras as god ,power to fight 1.15 lakh alone all these make sikh shastra vidya different from any other.Also for ur information all kind of teaching were taught by BABA BUDHA JI(see sikh historywritten by bhai vir singh).GURU JI GIVE CONCEPT OF MIRI AND PIRI unique and never put forward by any other avtar before.
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Naw. Gorakh Nath taught Guru Nanak --> Baba Budda Ji --> Guru Hargobind
This art was lost to the Rajputs at that tme.
Wahe Guru Ji Da khalsa Waheguru Di ji Fateh ⚔️🙏🏻
like to see this sparring in hema
Guru ji is great 🙏. What privilege it would be to be his student🙏
do you realize that he is using his minds eye?
So you're saying that the mind's eye is just a set of cheap tricks?
@TheGsd1212 maybe nihag singh is half hindu
Please use word Kirpan not Tulwar. Real Sikh wont carry Tulwar only Kirpan(for Kirpa to help helpless).
Well it's the name of d sword as a talwar Khanda saif shamshir r all Kirpans but u fight with each a different way so the name calling.
id have to see him in a real match before i can say he knows what hes doing or not, what i got from this video is that he doesnt seem to.
A lot of people have challenged him....boxers as well as fencers....he's beaten them all.....he's called "gurudev" for a good reason....I have trained under him for a couple of months....believe me he's amazing!
PIYUSH BANERJEE That is easy to say--video would prove it.
Christophe Clugston if you only had an idea of how much blood was shed just for setting up this akhara you wouldn't ask for a video.some people from his own community want him dead and gone.
PIYUSH BANERJEE see that the thing, that doesn't so much speak for his experience in fighting as much as it speaks for his desire to dominate and hurt others. as i stated before from the video the guy does not seem to know what hes doing, for starters everyone hes "teaching" is without sword and they cannot defend themselves, second the guys intentionally bearing down on the people only letting up when he sees them submit through fear, ive taken several years of classes in Rapier and German Long Sword, everything he did in that video isnt anything special.
PIYUSH BANERJEE So that was pathetic dismissal of evidence. Simply state you have no evidence don't start giving ;me fantasy.
really true.bus sardaro ne chilla chilla kar khe dia ki ham laye hai ye martial art islia logo ko laga ki yahi laye hai.asal me ye martial art hindu kshatriyo ki den hai sardaro ko.ghamand me chur insano ko sahi gyan to ho hi ni sakta na.hahahha
3 against 1? I have my doupts, and realy choping a head of ? The only thing i knowe of this ,trek het zwaard naar je toe heald youre hand as close to youre body! Look at the Samoerai i respect these man, the are not violent,but fight if needed
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his opponents are alreaddy submissive towards him ?? this sardar knows nothing about sword fighting . he's just having fun !
he is trying to teach something not show a realistic spar
You know what? I've seen your shitty comments on every one of these videos, and I'm actually curious if it's just complete lack of knowledge of any martial arts, too many Hollywood movies, or some personal insecurity.
There's a BBC segment stating he's the only disciple of an 80 year-old hermit, who I would only assume is the Indian equivalent of Miyamoto Musashi or Bak Mei.
So please stop being a douche-bag and keep the lame comments to yourself.
Tanu Bindra i would like to see you post a video on shastar vidiya. If you dont know it yourself then keep your mouth shut
@@trophywife6992 do you want him to kill 3 people and then put it on youtube? They'd be dead and he would be in prison, like.
Singh saab fateh parwaan karni ..................ji ..........your looks are very lion like .......very ferocious but l am not very convinced about this swordman ship...........but thanks any way ........
They only Sikh .
this is not snatan hindu sikh. this is gatka played by nihang singh .sikh are not hindus sikhs are different.
please show real fight not just only demonstration. all the guyz are just stoped when you show your "techniques"
No one will ever stop in combat. Just sparring and show it.
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Amateurs. When facing a superior opponent three on one you stand in a triangle. They might be able to see two of you if they are lucky but have no chance against three. You don't stand in a line bunched together where master swordsman can hit all three of you.
Not the greatest swordsman but the principles are kind of basic... for instance when the oponent raises the hand you don't go for the chest you actually take his hand off as the hand is being raised
о, ТЮРБАН +5 к ловкости, синие тряпки +5 к выносливости, борода + 50 к харизме...в принципе можно даже и оружие не брать, антуража одежки достаточно, что бы соперник от смеха сдох!
Not correct POSITIONING, his techniques work only on slow motion,
there is nothing you can do against 3 people... simple... straight!!
an armed swords man coming towards you , use shastra vidya and survive for next day. what rubbish shower him with stones and run away easy for public , a stone can take shit out of anything sensible. as per video this looks confusion more than technique.
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TL;DW beardy in blue-ninja fancy dress playing with his sword
a lot of talking. talkers make me tired
That's dumb
He didn't mention the Muslim civilization who ruled these people for more than a thousand years. Muslims from central Asia defeated them on their lands with their superior techniques.
Bro Not by superior techniques but won by our own TRAITOR'S...I wish u got it ..
@@amitbhatt5343 if you read the history it clearly mentions that central asian steppes horsemen were excellent archers able to shoot arrows while riding their bows and arrows were smaller but could shoot with higher velocities. they were lighter and the armies could maneuver quickly.
@@muhammadzeeshan5852 good manuverabilty or lighter weight do helps in winning the war, but if I would say u don't have enough equipment with you even the lighter one but had good amount of soldier's as Spartans,it will made your mind much more powerful and superior that you can and you will win the war in long run or short run ,As you have confidence on your soldier's strength and complete state unity, Whenever you loose any of side the load of tarazo (paemana) get disbalanced... Indian king's our ancestors were engaged on fighting with eachother instead making healthier or I can say balanced decision by making all directions happier, That's why they loose..u never ever have to think like you knows everything..u have to keep on learning and moving like air flow and adpating parivartan as lord Krishna said ...Even before Mughal folks , india do have very stupid relegious followship that doesn't meant to be followed like sati pratha the old Brahmical errors ,King's and kings son's keep on following such un-Nobel ethics but in 21st century India is again moving forward to become great empire...India was great and will be great but people need to love each other and keep on moving... Instead of following media people must need to follow true path of Dharma,I don't say stop drinks stop enjoying sex or anybsuch thing,I just want developed state and it would only be possible of people would become welcoming not questioning ?..Once the dude get developed they will not dominated by any other civilization...even by those Hollywood 👽
I believe that's not a gospel truth since victory in ISLAM means total Islamization of the land the Muslim army conquered as after every Islamic conquest the ultimatum ISLAM or DEATH was prevalent. In that case I believe unbroken 1000 years old Muslim ruled prevailed in most part of Ancient undivided India or Akhand Bharat which comprised of Eastern Afghanistan, modern Pakistan, Kashmir, Bangladesh, where resistance to invaders was meagre and people chose to get circumcisioned instead of fighting and giving up their head, simply to save honour of their land and womenfolk.
This was the reason why many rich civilizations couldn't stand and were wiped out before the onslaught of ISLAM. Ancient pharoah-land(Egypt), zorashtrian perisa(iran), Mesopotamia(iraq), Assyria(syria), phoenecia(lebanon), Babylon, buddhist central asia, entire north africa and european Albania and Bosnia and many more.
The present day India though greatly reduced to its ancient glory still has 80% hindu majority despite 1000 year old Hindu Muslim conflict. This is a clear proof that Muslims failed to conquer and subdue the Indians who waged restless wars against the bloodthirsty Jihadis.
In ancient times if it was the Marathas, Sikhs, Jaats or Rajputs, now its the Modi, Yogi and Thackery. INDIAN civilization keeps the fight against the Jihad.
The third world war is imminent, it wud not be ISLAM vs the West, rather it wud be ISLAM vs the Rest. All those who are born with sword shall die by the sword. We can hope to see ISLAM's end with the conclusion of 3rd world war
How you in advance your opponents movements?
Persian theater or ?