Curious to hear which year was your favorite and why. I gotta say 2008 because that's when I made my first ever RSMV and NO I will not be sharing it with you guys.
I respect ur opinion but I think 2020 was a nice year for MMOs specially RS3 (we had some full servers!), it was the year many players came back and most of them did stick with the game (myself included)
I would say for 2021 you forgot the release of Endwalker, an expansion to FF14 so popular at the time, you literally could not log onto the game because of the ridiculous multi-hour queue times
@@Zack_Wester Does is matter? When was the last time you tried to log into an mmo and had to literally wait in a queue with over 1000 ppl in it? Did wow have queues during covid? Did any other mmo?
@@IlRe720 Yes, it actually does matter if you're making the claim that FF14's EW login issues were the result of its insane popularity (it's popular, no argument, but it's not like wunderkind) and not SE's unpreparedness for launch day.
Man, no mention of my favorite (and the most profitable Square game ever) MMO Final Fantasy XI. That came out in 2002 in Japan, 2003 in the US. It sadly got overshadowed by WoW but it's still such a fantastic experience that I have to mention it.
Correct, ffxi was my first mmo, and by far my favorite. Very few children played it, so it was mostly adults, and the grind was fun. I tried WoW and preferred ffxi hands down.
Its since lost the profitability place to FFXIV. Still, obviously a titan of the genre. One day I swear I'll give it a shot because of the sub-job system.
This video should be renamed to "The history of World of Warcraft and Runescape." There was no research done on the numbers or statistics throughout the video to support his claims and so, so many were just glossed over.
@@fiftydabs5114 I miss playing from Beta onwards as they released each new area... tbh I think it peaked at ludibrium imo - maplestory now is some unrecognizable monstrosity wearing the skin of the maplestory I remember...
i need to say, I’m really glad i got to hear your opinion on the Mists of Pandaria expansion. I genuinely feel like its one of my favorite expansions in WoW, and my RP character has retired to a farm there. It definitely had its problems, like the massive amount of daily quests being the only way to gain Reputation with most factions, but it has such a cozy vibe to it, that it stays in my thoughts always. MUCH better than Warlords of Draenor.
i cant agree more with this. the draenor storyline got tiring after a while for me and while i do really enjoy the environments there and in many other expansions pandaria is definitely my favourite besides dragonflight. it has some of my favourite mounts and armour aesthetics and the general art direction was very well done imo. like maybe i dont have the same experience as someone whose played WoW for longer since i only got into it thru the dragonflight expansion(hence my love for it) but i think during my time learning the game once i started exploring the other expansions pandaria was the one to really capture my heart the most despite its flaws
Sadly no mention of FFXI at all, seems like a miss. Over than that, should have totally started the video at year 1999. EQ coming out and kickstarting the genre in earnest is def mom made pizza rolls.
FFXI is truely the one game I wish I was 100% there for back in the day, good lord the warmth and passion I hear people talk about it drives me insane.
You can notice which MMOs you have and haven't played, but to be fair, this list will ALWAYS be super subjective! I'd rank 2014 a lot higher as many had the high hopes of WIldstar reviving oldschool MMORPG difficulty, combined with modern sensibilities. And then 2015 showed us that this wouldn't happen. The release of Ragnarök Online was also a HUGE deal for many, as that was the first grind MMO that became a hit in many EU countries. But alas, everyone's experience is different.
I can see what you mean abiout the hopes of Wildstar but the list isnt about hopes, only results. I dont know about RO but we didnt hear or experiemce much about it over here which would explain its lack of importance. Trythfully, there began to be too many mmos a lot of of which were mid in those years overall.
Just wanna say the 2010s losing streak for mmos coincides with a lot of us being in college / grad school while the glory days were when we were in middle school and high school. The quality of content is definitely the biggest factor here but also a lot of people just stopped having time to sink into mmos.
9:10 It's worth noting, while it may seem crazy that they released an expansion a year after launch for Guild Wars, that Nightfall is the second expansion.
I am super sad you not only missed the release of WILD STAR, but also the tragic slow fall of Wild Star. From its release as a subscription game, to it trying to go free to play but not turning a profit. It was a hard-core oriented MMO and it ate up a metric ton of my time. It had some of the best action combat I'd ever see in an MMO with BEAUTIFUL animations. And it didn't even show up on the list :( Also no eve online mention blows my mind, since it was and is still making history. Down the rabbit hole just released a whole history about it! And it's about to get a first-person shooter game mode aside from its usually ship-based exploration game mode. And all the real life money that is involved with the game... You missed a lot of good MMOs that had a good shelf life.
My favorite RuneScape time was exactly when they released the grand exchange, before they nerfed trade. I also used to play an MMO called Conquer online 2.0 before the hunter skill dropped, there was a point where they sold out, and introduced an overhaul of p2w, but it was a super cool side scroll MMO with 3d graphics and immersive PVP
It's very clear what MMOs you have and have not played based on how much focus you give those specific games and what games are almost/completely ignored. Still, pretty good as far as tier lists go! Nobody has the time to play everything, after all.
Not much mentioned of maplestory when its the 5th most played MMORPG currently. Reboot (no more trading or cash shop items used for progression) pretty much revitalized maplestory in the west too as it gave a f2p experience of progression.
The amount you slept on BDO is insane. It’s in the top 5 MMOs by players depending on where you look. Giving WOW tokens a L when OSRS has bonds is a wild take. Giving 2020/2021 the lowest score is bonkers, the player count and cash flow is what paid for 2022 and will be seen as a reset. BDO did seasons in 2020, osrs/rs3 player count skyrocketed ect.
Pirates of the Caribbean Online was incredibly fun. I played for years and was there for the shutdown in Port Royal. I still go back and play TLOPO every so often on a maxed out recreation of my original character Edit: I also still play Wizard101 after 12+ years of playing it.. A new world (expansion) released a week ago and I gotta check it out something (editing as the video plays) Edit 2: TLOPO (POTCO Private Server) is really good. They have the full original content now as well as new content and seasonal events. Highly recommend it
5:35 EQ *_Planes Of Power_* was the MMO expansion that would come to define "modern" raiding. In fact, Blizzard recruited several of the top EQ raiders to work as game designers on WOW (including Jeff Kaplan!)
i am so happy wizard101 got a mention, i've genuinely really enjoyed it while playing in the last couple years and it somehow *still* gets new worlds. how? I HAVE NO IDEA.
didnt even mention metin2 and flyff my childhood favs :( still playing bdo today because its the only mmo where i truly can play without a group as much as i want and still progress on my own pace
Dark Age of Camelot is probably to this day my favorite MMO. The 3 Faction Realm vs Realm PvP was by far the best iteration of a MMO world PvP to ever come out in my opinion. Also the fact that every faction had their own classes made it super in depth so you had to know what to expect from each faction and they would fight very differently. Even just leveling characters on each faction was an insanely different experience so it was nearly 3 different games in one.
pretty good video but it was like 90% a history of WoW and Runescape. No mention of FF14 selling out of digital copies, or mention any popular ESO or SWTOR expansions in the mid/late 2010’s FF14 adding free trial. Barely touched on how popular and hyped up Lost Ark was, ect. Still liked but would enjoy more variety! ❤
I left school in 08 and stopped playing games for a decade while I worked and partied, only coming back to them in 2018. Did anyone else have a similar experience?
tera went pretty hard in 2015 or so tbh, i stopped playing runescape after 2012 (also after toontown closed) and picked up tera as my first mmo in a while in 2015. i played for maybe a year before falling out of it again and didn't touch mmos again until covid hit and i got back into runescape again.
Hey 2017 had the Inferno and people on twitch watched OSRS so much it was top category for a few days, everyone watched woox beat the inferno like 40k+ viewers or something, and 2018 the TOB raid, big stuff for OSRS, twitch community was thriving hard for OSRS 2017-2020
2013-2017 I was in the military. and I was very sad and not enjoying life. When I got out of the military in 2018, MMOs became good again. lol I'm not saying that i'm sort of sleeper elder god, but its a pretty large coincidence.
Mists of Pandaria was my first Wow entry because before that I couldnt justify asking my parents for money each month when i could find tons of free mmo’s to enjoy even more, but in highschool my boyfriend wanted me to play with him. I got pretty into MOP and shortly after me joining Warlords of Draenor came out, which to most people is like the worst one by far but I enjoyed it because i didnt have anything to compare it too. Plus, all i really did was pet/transmog hunt anyway so I thought stuff like running old content for pets and exploring areas like timeless isles was super fun. In fact being able to solo old content was only made possible by future expansions so i appreciated the ridiculous power creep lol. But for people trying to raid or experience the highs of playing with friends in Wrath of lich king i understand why so much of the future xpacs fell short.
I totally feel you on Warlords of Draenor. I first played WoW during the VERY end of Wrath, but stopped near the start of Cata, cuz i was in middle school and had an allowance of like. 20 dollars a month (5 dollars every friday) I started up again during Warlords cuz i had a friend who was looking to get the recruit a friend mount, so I started playing again. I wasn’t able to do any serious raiding (or even casual, really) since i was recruited onto the European servers, even though i was american. i didn’t hit max level for like. 3 months after i used my level 90 boost, because i spent most of the time going through old content seeing what i had missed. I thought it was a great expansion, but i see what flaws there were. I did eventually switch over to the NA servers when i met my (now ex) girlfriend. I still look fondly at WoD though. I still think MoP is my favorite expansion. But god bless Legion for Demon Hunters.
@@torbtheorb3429 Damn yeah somehow i didnt even mind the garrison haha i definitely see its flaws but i liked the concept of building your own hub. If only it wasnt just chores and grinding :P Legion was fun, I came back for Dragonflight for a few days but had no idea what I was doing anymore haha.
Yeah, it's just 3D interactive chat. There are (usually janky) games *within* it, made by users, but they are just an outgrowth of Second Life's user programming language. If you want to call it anything in modern terms, it's a metaverse system (though 'metaverse' is an old term, it's since became super overused and associated with NFTs)
you missed the SWTOR hype. It was for a couple months the new "WoW killer", trumping it in player count. Then people ran out of things to do and unsubbed in mass.
Damn, those memes were epic. Great video! Brought me back to my past mentioning Star Wars Galaxies! Maplestory was huge for me but that was glossed over, and I played Mabinogi too but that was probably not very popular in the west. Love the content, keep up the creativity!
I think you're pushing a little, but I agree MMOs are actually way better than a lot of people think, negativity is Internet's default and it's difficulty to break that pattern
i can stress how good the dragonflight expansion for WoW was cuz i was never a fan of MMOs before it i am impatient and normally require a fast gameplay loop with frequent rewards that i get QUICKLY and i hate paying subscriptions. yet i picked up WoW, bought the expansion, and played NONSTOP for over a month straight(including following all the older expansion storylines). and ever since ive had my eyes opened and really find a lot of enjoyment out of MMOs. like blizzard doesnt get my respect often but dragonflight is a hard exception
21:10 Im not sure what to do wow Classic because. Stuff like the Lich king and Outland... the Dranei and Blood elf two much needed races to the player roaster for me wow feels incomplete whit out them. but at the same time as soon as Outland was relesed the whole Classic raids and dungeon was over (and no mounts will not help) because player that did not get a chance to do the raids back then will not get to run them, Player LFG a raid whit level 58-60 apropiered gear gets into the raid raid is full of level 70 player whit level 70 gear all out for the mount. they take one look the players gear and kicks them. that or they just blitz the raid so that the player don´t get the chance to experience as intended. I know that happen in Wrath I was a bit late whit hitting the level cap and so when I was doing one of the Dungeon one of my quest you get this quest one time per char and is the reason why the player would enter it (think the kill van clief quest at the end of the westfall quest chain. So what happen was I joined released the first 3 prisoners I saw said I need X more can you guys wait will I get them, they ignored me and ran to the first boss and then kicked me for not been at the boss. I joined a secound group that when I said I had not been here before and I had thoes quest here (none daily) they said okey and helped me do them even if it cost the rest of the dungeon group another 10-15 min for me to do it.
2003 also had the release of Horizons: Empire of Istaria. Probably a little known game but honestly I’ve never found another game with a crafting system I enjoy as much as Horizons (now called Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted)
Damn, those memes were epic! You dropped the ball on 2017 tho. That's when I swapped from WoW to OSRS, which clearly makes it 'mom makes pizza rolls' tier
Not mentioning Final Fantasy XI in 2002 is weird, as it was the very first multi platform MMORPG where console players and PC players were together, and also the game that generated more revenue in the series until of course Final Fantasy XIV.
When people say "MMOs are dying" What they mean is the only ones still around are either Korean P2W shit, or a couple old ones from close to two decades ago, with the only new ones coming up in maybe a few years time being even more P2W crap, or some kickctsrter pipe dreams destined to die a few months after launch.
Idyl, I keep seeing you talking about all these mmos but I’ve yet to see you cover anything about DDO dungeons and dragons online! How can you pass on such an amazing game
Great tier list, only ones I would disagree on are 2019 and 2023 being S. 2019 offered nothing new to the genre like the other S Years did, likewise with 2023 because the momentum didn't continue. At least that's how I see it with an extra year of hindsight. Do you still see it this way a year later?
2021 was the year I stopped playing OSRS (and MMOs in general). Really remember the feel of things just having stagnated. Glad things have got better since then
W2004 to 2007, the happiest times of my life.. (or at least 45 days worth of WoW playtime that was the best of me life). Imagine that, Okanar, 7th grade High Warlord of the Horde (in the OLD ranking system), what a badass hunter 😅. Some say he may return
I'd like to comment about the transition from WOTLK to Cataclysm in WoW. It is widely regarded that Cata wasn't great because it changed everything about the game. This is not necessarily untrue with the changes to the world/questing/gear etc. But when it comes to being a completely different game, that actually happened in TBC and WOTLK together. The relaunching of classic World of Warcraft along with its expansions has shown our memories had flaws even at the time it was active. WOTLK was such a big deal because it was the culmination of all of the Warcraft games, and 2 WoW expansions of story. It was a big deal because we were finally dealing with Arthas, but not because it still played the same. If you look at the way the game plays in classic, then to TBC, then to WOTLK, you'll see how it's not at all the same game anymore. Ratings replaced %'s, old gear was quickly outmoded, gear became more standardized etc. And that's not to say that it was bad so to speak. It was just different, and some people didn't mind it, some did. Those that did, quit and came back for WoW Classic, as I'm sure a bunch of people came back for OS RS. And those that didn't quit often went on to play other MMO's like FF and the newer MMO's. The rest is only if you give even a single shit about WoW, I just went overboard about this because WoW's history is extremely fascinating when everything is taken into account from a player perspective as well as an observer perspective. My brother and I think of it like this, classic Wow leaned HEAVILY on the RPG aspect, because they didn't originally plan for millions of people to be playing, it was an RPG that was also MMO. TBC was when they finished everything they WANTED to include in classic, but weren't able to for one reason or another, so it was still designed in the classic way, but was rushed and some things were scaled back, cut out, and changed. Then WOTLK comes along, and it's now a full modern MMO, (some of this stuff was a change made in TBC, but TBC is the halfway point between classic and a 20-teens MMO) you'll never use any gear from classic here, arena ratings are the big thing for PvP, as well as honor for battleground's, crit and hit are ratings now, catch-up mechanics (Heirloom gear), in the pre-patch for Cata they added store mounts, each raid tier now systematically replaces all your prior gear, instead of some of your BIS gear being from the 1st tier raid of the xpac, achievements creating more gatekeeping through titles and prior raid or dungeon completion, gear score started becoming a thing, DPS meters, Flying mounts (yes I know what I said and I stand by it that flying mounts killed the magic and social interactions in the game), and more. I also don't think expansion were inherently bad for WoW, but how they tackled them was. Level cap didn't need to go up, gear could have been better in line with classic content. If at lvl 40 you got to decide whether or not you stay in classic, or go through the dark portal to start helping out out there, or hop on a boat to Northrend (which I would put in Theramore not Stormwind, and a zeppelin from Grom'Gol in STV for Horde) to start tackling the lich king and his army. You could make all the raids in line with their priors, don't move Naxxramas to Northrend, open Ahn'Kahet as an underground zone with 2 dungeons and a raid to replace Naxx. Each one could have it's own type of special thing for it. Maybe warriors armor in WOTLK gives lifesteal, maybe TBC gear gives armor pen, and classic gear gives crit or something. Idk how you'd actually break it down for balance purposes but I think that get's the idea across.
No love for Asheron's Call 😢 my first MMO and still one of the best ever. It was scheduled to be released before EverQuest and got delayed. I believe if it did release before it would have been bigger. The pvp was top notch, questing and exploration was crazy as it was (and still to this day) one of the biggest maps/worlds ever made.
Agreed that EoC took a dookie on RuneScape 😢hundreds of days played on that account all gone. Best year for me is 2006 when I was 11, just discovered Runescape and had to ask my brother to help me get through tutorial island xD
Puzzle Pirates mention!! you should really check that silly little game out. I think it's still online. It's an absolute blast and a really interesting take on the MMO genre
I got City of Heroes in 2004. I didn't get WoW until 2005. So I always associate 2004 with CoH more than WoW. And even when I did get WoW, I always preferred CoH. Maybe I'm just weird? idk. EDIT: CoH came out in April of 2004. WoW came out in November of 2004. My B-day is in July and the only time I got a game from my grandparents. So I picked CoH in 2004 and then WoW in 2005.
I love the fact that you bias RuneScape as a RuneScape lover in your mmo videos 😂 other people who talk about mmos never give RuneScape the love it deserves. Finally! The hero we needed
Curious to hear which year was your favorite and why. I gotta say 2008 because that's when I made my first ever RSMV and NO I will not be sharing it with you guys.
I respect ur opinion but I think 2020 was a nice year for MMOs specially RS3 (we had some full servers!), it was the year many players came back and most of them did stick with the game (myself included)
was it Blow Me Away?
2004 hands down. The release of WoW and RS2 and rapid growth of EVE Online is pretty hard to match
I wont lie 2017 was my 2008 because Path of Fire for GW2 was my personal Wrath of the Lich King
2023 DAoC Project Eden community free shard is such a fun experience
"FFXIV would later become the most popular MMO in the world, but we'll get back to that later" *doesn't get back to it later*
Wait for it....
I would say for 2021 you forgot the release of Endwalker, an expansion to FF14 so popular at the time, you literally could not log onto the game because of the ridiculous multi-hour queue times
How much of that was Covid.
from what I understand Endwalker was a good/great expansion but how much did it get boosted by covid.
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Does is matter? When was the last time you tried to log into an mmo and had to literally wait in a queue with over 1000 ppl in it? Did wow have queues during covid? Did any other mmo?
@@IlRe720 Yes, it actually does matter if you're making the claim that FF14's EW login issues were the result of its insane popularity (it's popular, no argument, but it's not like wunderkind) and not SE's unpreparedness for launch day.
@@IlRe720 new world had ques and it wasn't that good
Man, no mention of my favorite (and the most profitable Square game ever) MMO Final Fantasy XI. That came out in 2002 in Japan, 2003 in the US. It sadly got overshadowed by WoW but it's still such a fantastic experience that I have to mention it.
Correct, ffxi was my first mmo, and by far my favorite. Very few children played it, so it was mostly adults, and the grind was fun. I tried WoW and preferred ffxi hands down.
Its since lost the profitability place to FFXIV. Still, obviously a titan of the genre. One day I swear I'll give it a shot because of the sub-job system.
I play still but I am not a fan of endgame I love class mechanics tho
This video should be renamed to "The history of World of Warcraft and Runescape." There was no research done on the numbers or statistics throughout the video to support his claims and so, so many were just glossed over.
Ffxi was my first mmo. It has a special place in my heart. Loved it
For 2003, how do you show maplestory on screen but not mention it, that's what got my whole school into mmos and led to some of us finding runecape
I miss 2007 maplestory
@@fiftydabs5114 I miss playing from Beta onwards as they released each new area... tbh I think it peaked at ludibrium imo - maplestory now is some unrecognizable monstrosity wearing the skin of the maplestory I remember...
@@kezia8027 cpq was goated for me and then when pvp came out was the last time i enjoyed it
i need to say, I’m really glad i got to hear your opinion on the Mists of Pandaria expansion. I genuinely feel like its one of my favorite expansions in WoW, and my RP character has retired to a farm there. It definitely had its problems, like the massive amount of daily quests being the only way to gain Reputation with most factions, but it has such a cozy vibe to it, that it stays in my thoughts always. MUCH better than Warlords of Draenor.
i cant agree more with this. the draenor storyline got tiring after a while for me and while i do really enjoy the environments there and in many other expansions pandaria is definitely my favourite besides dragonflight. it has some of my favourite mounts and armour aesthetics and the general art direction was very well done imo. like maybe i dont have the same experience as someone whose played WoW for longer since i only got into it thru the dragonflight expansion(hence my love for it) but i think during my time learning the game once i started exploring the other expansions pandaria was the one to really capture my heart the most despite its flaws
Sadly no mention of FFXI at all, seems like a miss. Over than that, should have totally started the video at year 1999. EQ coming out and kickstarting the genre in earnest is def mom made pizza rolls.
FFXI is truely the one game I wish I was 100% there for back in the day, good lord the warmth and passion I hear people talk about it drives me insane.
You can notice which MMOs you have and haven't played, but to be fair, this list will ALWAYS be super subjective! I'd rank 2014 a lot higher as many had the high hopes of WIldstar reviving oldschool MMORPG difficulty, combined with modern sensibilities. And then 2015 showed us that this wouldn't happen. The release of Ragnarök Online was also a HUGE deal for many, as that was the first grind MMO that became a hit in many EU countries. But alas, everyone's experience is different.
I can see what you mean abiout the hopes of Wildstar but the list isnt about hopes, only results. I dont know about RO but we didnt hear or experiemce much about it over here which would explain its lack of importance. Trythfully, there began to be too many mmos a lot of of which were mid in those years overall.
Just wanna say the 2010s losing streak for mmos coincides with a lot of us being in college / grad school while the glory days were when we were in middle school and high school. The quality of content is definitely the biggest factor here but also a lot of people just stopped having time to sink into mmos.
Except, you know, people keep getting born every year
@@jarumboy1the attention span of kids these days is 0
What? That would assume everyone is the same age? Your comment does not make any sense
@@medusa9041 yeah dude there's literally zero zoomers playing mmo's
@medusa9041 yeah I haven't already put 3 days play time into season of discovery
2016 did have Legion come out, it was pretty popular and well received
One of the best received Wow expansions in more recent times, maybe not enough to bump up it's score but definitely worth a mention
Legion was fantastic, but had a really bad launch so maybe 2017 legion should've had a lil bump from it I guess?
The best since Wrath imo
2015 did have Heavensward as well.
@@Sad-Lesbian heavensward 🤝 legion
Fun breakdown! I feel like not including ffxi, eve online, Asherons's Call, and city of heroes is a big miss though.
Everyone forgets City of Heroes 😞
The snubbing and dismissal of EVE and ESO continues. Great video Idyl! Mom said it's my turn to play the Ouya
ONG, i love eso
2005-2006-2007 Are clearly peak Maplestory years.
Shame it didn't get some recognition.
Was the top f2p MMO and the inventor of lootboxes after all.
9:10 It's worth noting, while it may seem crazy that they released an expansion a year after launch for Guild Wars, that Nightfall is the second expansion.
I am super sad you not only missed the release of WILD STAR, but also the tragic slow fall of Wild Star. From its release as a subscription game, to it trying to go free to play but not turning a profit. It was a hard-core oriented MMO and it ate up a metric ton of my time. It had some of the best action combat I'd ever see in an MMO with BEAUTIFUL animations.
And it didn't even show up on the list :(
Also no eve online mention blows my mind, since it was and is still making history. Down the rabbit hole just released a whole history about it! And it's about to get a first-person shooter game mode aside from its usually ship-based exploration game mode. And all the real life money that is involved with the game... You missed a lot of good MMOs that had a good shelf life.
2012 was a great year for Runescape until a certain point in that year. I would quite like to see a 2012scape server.
OSRS in a year
Glad you mentioned Puzzle Pirates - I was addicted to that!
Legion came out in 2016 and i loved that so that year should be higher
The epic memes really were the guildmates we made along the way.
Season of Discovery is banging so hard. I haven't played an MMO in actually a decade basically.
My favorite RuneScape time was exactly when they released the grand exchange, before they nerfed trade.
I also used to play an MMO called Conquer online 2.0 before the hunter skill dropped, there was a point where they sold out, and introduced an overhaul of p2w, but it was a super cool side scroll MMO with 3d graphics and immersive PVP
take me back
It's very clear what MMOs you have and have not played based on how much focus you give those specific games and what games are almost/completely ignored. Still, pretty good as far as tier lists go! Nobody has the time to play everything, after all.
i think the combination of shadowlands failure and ff14s success during that time have been a wake up call to a lot of mmos devs for sure.
Even i feel dirty when you say "Good job Blizzard". Jokes aside, the nostalgia feelings and legit goosebumps this video gave me are amazing
Did you really just say that Wrath of the Lich King is the peak of mmo storytelling when both Final Fantasy XIV and Dragon Quest X exist?
Forgot to mention ffxi and the many expacs of ffxiv, and how FFXIV exploded by taking in WoW refugees
Not much mentioned of maplestory when its the 5th most played MMORPG currently. Reboot (no more trading or cash shop items used for progression) pretty much revitalized maplestory in the west too as it gave a f2p experience of progression.
I was dissapointed in the lack of mention for RagnarokOnline, which makes 2002 like mom made pizza rolls for me.
The amount you slept on BDO is insane. It’s in the top 5 MMOs by players depending on where you look. Giving WOW tokens a L when OSRS has bonds is a wild take. Giving 2020/2021 the lowest score is bonkers, the player count and cash flow is what paid for 2022 and will be seen as a reset. BDO did seasons in 2020, osrs/rs3 player count skyrocketed ect.
Thanks Jimmy, love your content!
Pirates of the Caribbean Online was incredibly fun. I played for years and was there for the shutdown in Port Royal. I still go back and play TLOPO every so often on a maxed out recreation of my original character
Edit: I also still play Wizard101 after 12+ years of playing it.. A new world (expansion) released a week ago and I gotta check it out something (editing as the video plays)
Edit 2: TLOPO (POTCO Private Server) is really good. They have the full original content now as well as new content and seasonal events. Highly recommend it
Just want to leave you my support. Love your videos and your humor is spot on. Keep it going
5:35 EQ *_Planes Of Power_* was the MMO expansion that would come to define "modern" raiding. In fact, Blizzard recruited several of the top EQ raiders to work as game designers on WOW (including Jeff Kaplan!)
damn those memes were EPIC
i am so happy wizard101 got a mention, i've genuinely really enjoyed it while playing in the last couple years and it somehow *still* gets new worlds. how? I HAVE NO IDEA.
6:07 - "Capitalism, I sure hope he talks a bit about Eve Online"
6:20 - "He said the name~!"
didnt even mention metin2 and flyff my childhood favs :(
still playing bdo today because its the only mmo where i truly can play without a group as much as i want and still progress on my own pace
I can’t believe you mentioned Maplestory 2 and not Maplestory. One of the only mmo’s other than WoW that had commercials on American tv
Great video, and I must say damn, those memes were epic
the brief mention of toontown brings me joy
damn those toons were epic
So I guess tier lists are good again?
It's a good year for tiers
Dark Age of Camelot is probably to this day my favorite MMO. The 3 Faction Realm vs Realm PvP was by far the best iteration of a MMO world PvP to ever come out in my opinion. Also the fact that every faction had their own classes made it super in depth so you had to know what to expect from each faction and they would fight very differently. Even just leveling characters on each faction was an insanely different experience so it was nearly 3 different games in one.
pretty good video but it was like 90% a history of WoW and Runescape. No mention of FF14 selling out of digital copies, or mention any popular ESO or SWTOR expansions in the mid/late 2010’s FF14 adding free trial. Barely touched on how popular and hyped up Lost Ark was, ect. Still liked but would enjoy more variety! ❤
I left school in 08 and stopped playing games for a decade while I worked and partied, only coming back to them in 2018. Did anyone else have a similar experience?
"Not much happened in 2002."
...Final Fantasy XI????
tera went pretty hard in 2015 or so tbh, i stopped playing runescape after 2012 (also after toontown closed) and picked up tera as my first mmo in a while in 2015. i played for maybe a year before falling out of it again and didn't touch mmos again until covid hit and i got back into runescape again.
I know it's not that popular anymore, but hypixel skyblock released in 2019 aswell, which did get up to like 100k+ players
We could honestly use a hypixel Skyblock classic at this point.
@ Yea… half of the early game you dont even bother with anymore and just do dungeons
Hey 2017 had the Inferno and people on twitch watched OSRS so much it was top category for a few days, everyone watched woox beat the inferno like 40k+ viewers or something, and 2018 the TOB raid, big stuff for OSRS, twitch community was thriving hard for OSRS 2017-2020
2013-2017
I was in the military. and I was very sad and not enjoying life.
When I got out of the military in 2018, MMOs became good again. lol
I'm not saying that i'm sort of sleeper elder god, but its a pretty large coincidence.
7:05 some dedication there
Mists of Pandaria was my first Wow entry because before that I couldnt justify asking my parents for money each month when i could find tons of free mmo’s to enjoy even more, but in highschool my boyfriend wanted me to play with him. I got pretty into MOP and shortly after me joining Warlords of Draenor came out, which to most people is like the worst one by far but I enjoyed it because i didnt have anything to compare it too. Plus, all i really did was pet/transmog hunt anyway so I thought stuff like running old content for pets and exploring areas like timeless isles was super fun. In fact being able to solo old content was only made possible by future expansions so i appreciated the ridiculous power creep lol. But for people trying to raid or experience the highs of playing with friends in Wrath of lich king i understand why so much of the future xpacs fell short.
I totally feel you on Warlords of Draenor. I first played WoW during the VERY end of Wrath, but stopped near the start of Cata, cuz i was in middle school and had an allowance of like. 20 dollars a month (5 dollars every friday)
I started up again during Warlords cuz i had a friend who was looking to get the recruit a friend mount, so I started playing again. I wasn’t able to do any serious raiding (or even casual, really) since i was recruited onto the European servers, even though i was american. i didn’t hit max level for like. 3 months after i used my level 90 boost, because i spent most of the time going through old content seeing what i had missed. I thought it was a great expansion, but i see what flaws there were. I did eventually switch over to the NA servers when i met my (now ex) girlfriend. I still look fondly at WoD though. I still think MoP is my favorite expansion. But god bless Legion for Demon Hunters.
@@torbtheorb3429 Damn yeah somehow i didnt even mind the garrison haha i definitely see its flaws but i liked the concept of building your own hub. If only it wasnt just chores and grinding :P Legion was fun, I came back for Dragonflight for a few days but had no idea what I was doing anymore haha.
I don’t know if I’d call SecondLife a MMO lol it’s like VR Chat without the VR
Yeah, it's just 3D interactive chat. There are (usually janky) games *within* it, made by users, but they are just an outgrowth of Second Life's user programming language. If you want to call it anything in modern terms, it's a metaverse system (though 'metaverse' is an old term, it's since became super overused and associated with NFTs)
Ignoring maplestory in 2003 and mabinogi in 2004/2008 smh, I understand that wow was important but many f2p only kids got by with those instead
You failed to mention the greatest MMO that was created in 2008: Sherwood Dungeon
I did sink hours into it
keep up the good quality videos man ♥
you missed the SWTOR hype. It was for a couple months the new "WoW killer", trumping it in player count. Then people ran out of things to do and unsubbed in mass.
Damn, those memes were epic.
Great video! Brought me back to my past mentioning Star Wars Galaxies! Maplestory was huge for me but that was glossed over, and I played Mabinogi too but that was probably not very popular in the west. Love the content, keep up the creativity!
Mabinogi rocked
I played the fuck out of Mabi. Sad it's turned into what it is.
There's some private servers that rewind more into a classic mabi experience.
I’m sorry. The middle seasons of Lost were amazing. Last season was disappointing.
I think its worth noting the legion expansion in 2017. The game had a huge resurgence of players as well as retaining them
I think you're pushing a little, but I agree MMOs are actually way better than a lot of people think, negativity is Internet's default and it's difficulty to break that pattern
i can stress how good the dragonflight expansion for WoW was cuz i was never a fan of MMOs before it i am impatient and normally require a fast gameplay loop with frequent rewards that i get QUICKLY and i hate paying subscriptions. yet i picked up WoW, bought the expansion, and played NONSTOP for over a month straight(including following all the older expansion storylines). and ever since ive had my eyes opened and really find a lot of enjoyment out of MMOs. like blizzard doesnt get my respect often but dragonflight is a hard exception
Eden enterals online never gets talked about 😢
Vid starts at 2:45
21:10 Im not sure what to do wow Classic because.
Stuff like the Lich king and Outland... the Dranei and Blood elf two much needed races to the player roaster for me wow feels incomplete whit out them.
but at the same time as soon as Outland was relesed the whole Classic raids and dungeon was over (and no mounts will not help) because player that did not get a chance to do the raids back then will not get to run them, Player LFG a raid whit level 58-60 apropiered gear gets into the raid raid is full of level 70 player whit level 70 gear all out for the mount.
they take one look the players gear and kicks them. that or they just blitz the raid so that the player don´t get the chance to experience as intended.
I know that happen in Wrath I was a bit late whit hitting the level cap and so when I was doing one of the Dungeon one of my quest you get this quest one time per char and is the reason why the player would enter it (think the kill van clief quest at the end of the westfall quest chain. So what happen was I joined released the first 3 prisoners I saw said I need X more can you guys wait will I get them, they ignored me and ran to the first boss and then kicked me for not been at the boss. I joined a secound group that when I said I had not been here before and I had thoes quest here (none daily) they said okey and helped me do them even if it cost the rest of the dungeon group another 10-15 min for me to do it.
2003 also had the release of Horizons: Empire of Istaria. Probably a little known game but honestly I’ve never found another game with a crafting system I enjoy as much as Horizons (now called Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted)
Damn, those memes were epic!
You dropped the ball on 2017 tho. That's when I swapped from WoW to OSRS, which clearly makes it 'mom makes pizza rolls' tier
Not mentioning Final Fantasy XI in 2002 is weird, as it was the very first multi platform MMORPG where console players and PC players were together, and also the game that generated more revenue in the series until of course Final Fantasy XIV.
When people say "MMOs are dying" What they mean is the only ones still around are either Korean P2W shit, or a couple old ones from close to two decades ago, with the only new ones coming up in maybe a few years time being even more P2W crap, or some kickctsrter pipe dreams destined to die a few months after launch.
Idyl, I keep seeing you talking about all these mmos but I’ve yet to see you cover anything about DDO dungeons and dragons online! How can you pass on such an amazing game
And in 2008 was also the year Dofus 2.0 came out ... even before Runescape HD where also intruduced summoning
since consoles have been largely unable to run the best MMOs I think the popularity of them is yet to reach its peak
I think you were pretty spot on. Those memes were epic though.
As somebody watching scrubs, im at S5 and now im worried, looking at the tier list. Idyl why
Great tier list, only ones I would disagree on are 2019 and 2023 being S. 2019 offered nothing new to the genre like the other S Years did, likewise with 2023 because the momentum didn't continue. At least that's how I see it with an extra year of hindsight.
Do you still see it this way a year later?
The Zelda OoT music makes me happy, thanks!
2021 was the year I stopped playing OSRS (and MMOs in general). Really remember the feel of things just having stagnated. Glad things have got better since then
I feel like not mentioning mobile osrs in 2018 is a bit of a miss. It's how I learned about osrs after quitting in 2012.
W2004 to 2007, the happiest times of my life.. (or at least 45 days worth of WoW playtime that was the best of me life). Imagine that, Okanar, 7th grade High Warlord of the Horde (in the OLD ranking system), what a badass hunter 😅. Some say he may return
I'd like to comment about the transition from WOTLK to Cataclysm in WoW. It is widely regarded that Cata wasn't great because it changed everything about the game. This is not necessarily untrue with the changes to the world/questing/gear etc. But when it comes to being a completely different game, that actually happened in TBC and WOTLK together. The relaunching of classic World of Warcraft along with its expansions has shown our memories had flaws even at the time it was active. WOTLK was such a big deal because it was the culmination of all of the Warcraft games, and 2 WoW expansions of story. It was a big deal because we were finally dealing with Arthas, but not because it still played the same. If you look at the way the game plays in classic, then to TBC, then to WOTLK, you'll see how it's not at all the same game anymore. Ratings replaced %'s, old gear was quickly outmoded, gear became more standardized etc. And that's not to say that it was bad so to speak. It was just different, and some people didn't mind it, some did. Those that did, quit and came back for WoW Classic, as I'm sure a bunch of people came back for OS RS. And those that didn't quit often went on to play other MMO's like FF and the newer MMO's.
The rest is only if you give even a single shit about WoW, I just went overboard about this because WoW's history is extremely fascinating when everything is taken into account from a player perspective as well as an observer perspective.
My brother and I think of it like this, classic Wow leaned HEAVILY on the RPG aspect, because they didn't originally plan for millions of people to be playing, it was an RPG that was also MMO. TBC was when they finished everything they WANTED to include in classic, but weren't able to for one reason or another, so it was still designed in the classic way, but was rushed and some things were scaled back, cut out, and changed. Then WOTLK comes along, and it's now a full modern MMO, (some of this stuff was a change made in TBC, but TBC is the halfway point between classic and a 20-teens MMO) you'll never use any gear from classic here, arena ratings are the big thing for PvP, as well as honor for battleground's, crit and hit are ratings now, catch-up mechanics (Heirloom gear), in the pre-patch for Cata they added store mounts, each raid tier now systematically replaces all your prior gear, instead of some of your BIS gear being from the 1st tier raid of the xpac, achievements creating more gatekeeping through titles and prior raid or dungeon completion, gear score started becoming a thing, DPS meters, Flying mounts (yes I know what I said and I stand by it that flying mounts killed the magic and social interactions in the game), and more.
I also don't think expansion were inherently bad for WoW, but how they tackled them was. Level cap didn't need to go up, gear could have been better in line with classic content. If at lvl 40 you got to decide whether or not you stay in classic, or go through the dark portal to start helping out out there, or hop on a boat to Northrend (which I would put in Theramore not Stormwind, and a zeppelin from Grom'Gol in STV for Horde) to start tackling the lich king and his army. You could make all the raids in line with their priors, don't move Naxxramas to Northrend, open Ahn'Kahet as an underground zone with 2 dungeons and a raid to replace Naxx. Each one could have it's own type of special thing for it. Maybe warriors armor in WOTLK gives lifesteal, maybe TBC gear gives armor pen, and classic gear gives crit or something. Idk how you'd actually break it down for balance purposes but I think that get's the idea across.
No love for Asheron's Call 😢 my first MMO and still one of the best ever. It was scheduled to be released before EverQuest and got delayed. I believe if it did release before it would have been bigger. The pvp was top notch, questing and exploration was crazy as it was (and still to this day) one of the biggest maps/worlds ever made.
My thought too brother. Rip one of the best mmos ever made
can you please look into mapelstory a bit more, it is and was massive yet no word about it
the year of the gas leak.... i don't skip episodes when binge watching my old favorites, but there are some episodes i can no longer watch XD
Sir I ABSOLUTELYY DID play Pirates online, it was the shit and I LOVED it. Such a good game. Miss it tons
Has the title and thumbnail changed 3 times at this point or am I crazy?
No mention of FF11 was odd. Also Blade and Sorcery was really good. So nice to have a not targeting based mmo with good movement.
how do you have so little subscriber count? your videos are great
Some top tier memes in this video.
2002 didnt even mention ffxi but was defined by a single expansion, neat
'08 was the year I picked up Mines of Moria. Still have the box and friend codes. Mom most definitely made pizza rolls.
Omg so excited to hear someone mention Puzzle pirates! It's still a great mmo with dedicated kind player base
Damn! those memes were epic! 💯😀👌🔥
Agreed that EoC took a dookie on RuneScape 😢hundreds of days played on that account all gone. Best year for me is 2006 when I was 11, just discovered Runescape and had to ask my brother to help me get through tutorial island xD
Those memes were epic! Also 10/10 2007 background, Linkin Park is peak
Puzzle Pirates mention!! you should really check that silly little game out. I think it's still online. It's an absolute blast and a really interesting take on the MMO genre
S tier 2023 DAoC is back with Project Eden
cant believe you glossed over toontown closing :')
You mentioned Rift and omg I miss it so
I got City of Heroes in 2004. I didn't get WoW until 2005. So I always associate 2004 with CoH more than WoW. And even when I did get WoW, I always preferred CoH. Maybe I'm just weird? idk.
EDIT: CoH came out in April of 2004. WoW came out in November of 2004. My B-day is in July and the only time I got a game from my grandparents. So I picked CoH in 2004 and then WoW in 2005.
I recently started playing Dofus after about 10 years. I bet someone reading this gets a massive nostalgia wave. It's still excellent, recommended 😁
I love the fact that you bias RuneScape as a RuneScape lover in your mmo videos 😂 other people who talk about mmos never give RuneScape the love it deserves. Finally! The hero we needed