Is SpaceX Serious? They're Making Starship Even Bigger!
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Elon Musk shares details of the second Starship launch! We know what went wrong! New details regarding the third launch! How will it differ from the previous ones? Starship V3 Details! Blue Origin rolls out the first New Glenn! Is this flight hardware? And China launches a rocket made up entirely of solid fuel motors! Can this even work?
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What do you think? Where will SpaceX put the second tower? Please let me know in the comments!
Suborbital Pad.
As soon as the Masseys test stand is ready, Pad B and the suborbital tank farm will be going. Once that's done, work will begin on OLIT-2
What is the maximum amount of g force that a human can withstand for long duration space flight? By long duration i'm talking week to months
Hi Felix, is there some news about what went wrong with the booster on the second flight? Some engines lost power and it exploded… will there be header tanks in the boosters to?
it cost 5000€ to fix your crocket teeth
@@tim_peaky There is a LOX header tank in the booster already
It is nice to stress the fact of V2 ships, not V2 rockets. 😁
"I aim for the stars.... but sometimes i hit London"
@@fast-toastGrown...
@@fast-toast ... and explode even more effectively!
fueled by fanta
Correct. The Star Ship is an SS, not an R.
It's finally time to take Blue Origin semi-seriously, now that their engines worked well on Vulcan.
I will wait to see how long it takes them to deliver the next pair of flight ready BE 4 engines.
@@JoeShmoism I didn't say I was particularly impressed, but I've tentatively stopped mocking them as not a rocket company.
It's a good thing Blue Origin is working out. They all need to. Competition always makes things better and better. 🎉
@@ErikSaidWHAT Oh, absolutely. I want to see Boeing recover, too, and ULA find a good home. It would be fun to see Stoke Space become at least a reliable smallsat carrier with full reusability.
@JoeShmoismn Imthought they had already been delivered?!?
I'm surprised SpaceX didn't put a mass-simulator in Starship for flight 2. Normally, the practice is to try to make the test flights as close as possible to regular flights.
Yeah, they could have made something on the cheap just to be a boilerplate load for the test. They could have even just made a metal box and put pad debris from IFT 1 in it.
I think they were more interested in testing the heat shield and reentry, which is going to be done without payload for now. If they took a mass up, they'd need a way of offloading it before reentry, which would add complexity.
@@robertkesselringgood point
@@robertkesselringAgreed.
They ran out of sports cars.
SpaceX could make the 2nd tower more versatile with various versions of boosters and ship lengths by making the fuel disconnects-primarily the ship QD adjustable by letting it slide up or down the tower much like the chopsticks.
My wife and I took the Redline helicopter tour this past weekend .... It was AMAZING!!!! Thank you for the recommendation!
You're very welcome, Eric! Greetings to your wife as well! :)
Love the animations Felix 👍👍good job on putting all of it together..... 😊
love your videos! best of the spacex / space industry update video channels!
Great work as always!
Another great video by the WAI team. Thanks for your hard work.
18:55 ~ DEFINITELY getting some serious Outlaw Star vibes on the design!
"Freedom Units" is not official nomenclature. In the U.S. the official term for Imperial units is "customary units" but this is not in the vernacular. The commonly used term is "standard", ie. "standard units", "standard measurements". That said, you have a good platform to communicate that metric is used in the rocket business.
He’s subtly mocking US imperial measurements for not being metric. Sort of, “freedom fries” or “Look at all of that Iraqi oil. Looks like they need some freedom.”
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A FEW DAYS AND ALREADY STAR SHIP V3??
With Falcon 9 launching so often... Can you imagine how big the impact would be to grounding the fleet if a mishap were to happen? What are the chances rules will be flipped around, and falcon 9 keep flying during investigation, similarly to most plane crash?
Surely the bottleneck in flight-cadence is the lack of barges.
Planes do not keep flying during a post crash investigation. When the door plug flew off of the Boeing and they needed to make an emergency landing (not even a crash), the FAA still grounded over 170 similar aircraft until they were inspected and repaired.
When Boeing had multiple crashes caused by the faulty MCAS system on their 737 Max planes, the FAA and 51 other regulators from around the world grounded all 387 aircraft that were in service for more than 20 months.
It is simply not true that commercial aviation faces less oversight or safety regulations than satellite launch providers.
@@plainText384 I did not mean "less oversight or safety". I meant more flexibility and common sense being applied.
How come there were "multiple" 737 MAX crashes if they were all grounded after the first crash?
How come there were still Boring 777s flying in the days and weeks while they were still searching for the plane of flight MH370?
You are incorrect. There isn't a systematic grounding of all planes when a crash occurs. But only when there's a serious enough belief that a flaw exists which could affect other planes.
It would make sense to me to have the second tower much further away from the first to prevent damage in case of a catastrophic failure during a landing capture attempt. I'm thinking the massey site for the second tower.
It definitely won't be Masseys.
It will be built between the current tower and the mouth of the Rio Grande river south of Boca Chica beach
It would help with damage during an anomaly, no doubt! I'm not sure about the launch license, though. It might count as a separate launch site.
Especially for practicing "catching" in the future.
Alternative idea. A launch tower on a floating platform at sea.
Amazing job as always 🎉
Although the reason for IFT2 Starship loss is LOX dumping, if it had not exploded at that point re-entry is unlikely to have been successful as it had lost a hell of a lot of heat shield tiles on the way up. Hopefully losing tiles will have been addressed in IFT-3, I know it can survive losing some tiles but it had lost a hell of a lot even before staging.
There seems to be no solution to tiles falling off, other than not using them. The space shuttle lost tiles on every flight, and that is what destroyed Columbia and killed 7 people. SpaceX has not been able to solve the problem either. I think it is time to accept the fact that tens of thousands of separate little tiles is simply not the answer.
@@geraldscott4302 Could use the mass reserved for the tiles with a thicker hull that can spread the heat around to non exposed parts of the ship to be radiated away, or even some heat pipes filled with a high thermal capacity fluid. the fluid. (likely water), could then be ejected to dump heat.
@@geraldscott4302 Columbia was down to tiles being knocked off by foam falling off the propellant tank at takeoff. It was actually losing a part of the carbon-carbon leading edge of the wing that was the issue. The shuttle could stand for losing a couple of tiles but the leading edges of the wings were a critical point that had to be intact. Unfortunately due to the energy involved ceramic tiles are the only option, though due to its stainless steel construction Starship is a lot more heat resistant than the aluminium shuttle and can deal with losing many tiles as long as they are not in large continuous patches.
@@geraldscott4302Stoke Space and possibly BlueOrigin project Jarvis (though they are less public about this) are looking to go with an actively cooled heatshield for their reusable upper stage. It's an interesting concept that avoids the use of heatshield tiles, but it'll probably require extra LH2 to be used as coolant during decent.
It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Is there any reason that the tiles can't be connected to each other in addition to the three mounting bolts they currently have? Or possibly stuck to some kind of high temperature fabric or mesh that holds them together?
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I think starship should have extending catch arms on the actual ship. Which lift up to use for catching the starship. Wider than the actual flaps.
Thanks for the update
Thanks for good reporting.
Wow, that solid motor rocket is pretty cool. That means it can be transported and launched from just about anywhere without building a complex ground infrastructure.
In your background your gonna need a second ship and tower soon
18:40 the text insert says 500KG instead of 6500KG.
you might want to correct that one. because you are saying the correct value.
Maybe Spacex should call the 2 towers "Twin Peaks" as these will be seen from a long distance. Keep up the good work.
If SpaceX extends the ship for a V3 the current hot staging ring would definitely be too small to vent the thrust of 9 raptor engines at separation.
They won't be using the current hot-staging ring. I believe you can see the difference in the V2 illustration even.
@@cacogenicist Yes I've seen the V2 and V3 planned updates.
I'm definitely not suprised SpaceX is planning changes to the hot staging ring.
@@smavtmb2196 - That was such a crazy fast pivot to hot staging. It's hard to imagine any other rocket manufacturer doing that (save possibly for upstarts like Relativity).
I had faith #2 was a good build. Great to hear confirmation as the why it blew up. Nice
I'm pretty sure the Cape side LC40 will be upgraded with a Starship launch tower eventually. Still working on LC39A tower though.
crazy ,,, i start searching space topics one week ago and i just realized how advanced things can go ... i Became nerd again and i love it
Second!!!! Thanks for the team to provide the information hopefully IFT 3 is a big success
A ship every 72 hours. That's the rocket equivalent of WWII Liberty ship production.
If the V3 Starship ends up even close to the depictions, it will need some very fancy landing legs to eliminate the possibility of toppling over when landing on the moon or mars… or anywhere else. Considering that the only Starships that will be returning to the catch arms don’t go anywhere except round and round, putting off designing strong, lightweight, and increasingly lengthy landing legs seems curiously shortsighted. Kinda like: “I don’t need no friggin’ flame diverter!”
Wonder which is the most terrifying, landing with legs, or without? Do hope Tim can provide an answer.
another great video! why did they build sooo close to the water ?
I really like the decisions that SpaceX is making. It is much better to load the rocket up and stress it now than find out when it has an expensive payload. Great explanation and keep up the great content!
Agree with you 100% especially when that payload is squishy and made of meat
Or a human payload.
Seems like water would be a better choice for a test weight.
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 Can't dump water into open space.
That all-solid fuel Chinese rocket looks a bit like a miniature version of the Nova, NASA's monster moon rocket concept of circa 1960, replaced by Saturn 5 when it was realised that lunar orbital rendezvous was much more efficient than direct ascent and could be done with a smaller launcher. The Nova was also all-solid, at least in the first booster stage.
Blue Origin is vaporware. Those are the same mock-ups they've been shopping around for more than a year. Its a studio prop.
I’m pretty sure that hot staging caused damages to junction of the LOX tank and the inner skirt of the orbiter, venting LOX directly into the engine’s space.
Has Elon given any hint at sending 2x TeslaBot robots to the moon on their first few Artemis landing attempts? Might as well try it. If it fails, then nothing lost. If they work, then imagine the experiments / learning they can do.
I'd love to see 2 TeslaBots walking around the moon.
What would they do?
1) Inspect the SpaceX landing unit (putting cameras where engineers want them
2) Test & tune Tesla engineers' low-gravity model on TeslaBot's control expectations.
3) Try using tools
4) [later] assemble solar panels
It seems past the time to have developed a fully solid-fuel powered rocket. Congrats to its developers. I would like to see one developed and used for cargo flights to the ISS. Maybe even for Dream Chaser.
What are the advantages of solid fuel rockets?
@@dextermorgan1 Really the only advantage is low per unit cost... compared to single use liquid fueled rockets, compared to reusable rockets flying 2-3 or more (19 and counting times) they don't make any sense at all. So basically there is no reason to develop a new SRB... they are VERY dirty also. Ironic that the shuttle had to use SRBs because they are the dirtiest type of rocket, and the main engines were the cleanest hyrolox.
We've had completely solid fueled rockets for a long time. See Scout.
I don't know what this Chinese propaganda about "Breakthrough here!" And "World's first THIS" is here lately but don't believe it.
While solid fuel rockets are very powerful and cost effective, they work best in conjunction with liquid fueled boosters, as they complement each other very nicely. One of the cons of a liquid fueled booster is cost at scale and complexity, but a pro is control of the thrust at any time. One of SRBs cons is an unalterable thrust curve, but a pro is simplicity and cost. When you combine the two, you can greatly reduce cost, as well as control the thrust at any time to a certain extent. The uncontrollable thrust curve is especially a problem in upper stages because of the precision that is required in payload insertion. +/- 30 m/s in delta v is the difference between missing the iss completely and stranding an astronaut in space and smacking the ISS so that it kills everybody.
@@terminalterry8628 Wow. Thank you. That's really interesting. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.
Starship started development in 2012, so also 12 years in development. Of course SpaceX has actually launched Starship, even if not fully successfully.
Blue Origin is developing New Glenn like NASA. The first flight is expected to be a complete success.
So it is possible that at the end of 2024, both companies will have got to orbit. However Starship will be a LEO ship for the next couple of years (they need to do orbital refuelling to go further) whereas New Glenn will be able to to do deep space missions from the get go.
Thing is that if successful New Glenn will have one successful launch which could have been a fluke, while SpaceX could have at that point 4 launches, with one or two successes, which would mean that Space X actually have actual launch experience and already flushed out most issues over several launches. Competition is good, but Blue Origin needs to speed up its process as they yet to reach any type of orbit with any type of their rocket.
Felix a question. You said 6 to 8 Dragon launches this year. Is that Maned missions or cargo included? Interested in all Crew Dragon missions.
Satisfied with the explanation for why the ship exploded, but now I'm curious about why the booster exploded too. Can someone please clarify if I'm overlooking something?
The best speculative analysis that I have found is that during the booster flip the fuel sloshed away from the fuel pump intakes. That left the pumps with no fuel to slow them down so they way over sped. When the engines started to fire and the fuel in the tank hit the over sped pumps that shock blew out the pumps and destroyed the engines. Lastly, the flight termination system stepped in to finish the job. Maybe a slower flip of the booster will allow the fuel to stay in the end of the tank with the pump intakes. Also, leaving more engines firing during the flip would keep the acceleration sufficient to keep the fuel in contact with the pump intakes. Also, it would be GREAT if SpaceX would share what their analysis shows!!
The "Slosh Theory" is the most common one, but I have heard from SpaceX internal sources that this is wrong. Sadly I have no other information.
@@appliedfacts that's the same failure experienced by the first starship that attempted the landing maneuver. It would mean SpaceX didn't learn from the mistake... which is bad news!
@@appliedfacts Thanks for this,,,well explained! 😎
@@caty863 Hope they take a really good look into it
Another Felix Fix! Great stuff always. I guess one should not use fuel as a mass simulator. Want to see the in orbit refueling.
The second one will be next to the first tower, a little further of the road.
Strange that they didn't start filling that area with sand.
I am beyond excited for the Polaris Dawn mission. A private company performing spacewalks is the kind of progress we need in order to make life multi-planetary.
NASA can't be expected to colonize space all by themselves. It's going to take major multinational corporations and millions of workers to make this dream a reality!
NASA’s design and build model means they can never achieve anything significant in Space. Everything is designed and redesigned to death then the start building until they find errors and unknowns that stall progress. If a vehicle ever does get built, the costs are hyper galactic. $1 billion per launch of SLS is ridiculous by any standard.
maybe stop looking for other planets to trash, when we should prove we are responsible to take care of the one we are already on.
@@peterlongprong7521 And then a large asteroid hits the planet. End of humanity.
The point of becoming multiplanetary is not about finding another planet to trash, it's about creating a backup when stuff really hits the fan.
But yeah, let's stay down here, come up with draconic birth control laws and stop multiplying. Because, if we manage that, progress will automatically become more eco-friendly (digging crap out of the ground becomes more expensive than recycling long term anyway) when less people are a drain on resources.
Mars colonization is not for this century . We are in 2024 , in 76 years we will be in the next century that is 2100 . Today's children aged between 0 and 10 will see that century and the first human to orbit Mars
@@peterlongprong7521 Too much damage done here already.
Na ja, ob Blue Origin ihre New Glenn noch mal in den Orbit bekommt, sehe ich noch nicht. Was Bezos da gezeigt hat war doch nur eine leere Hülle. Eine komplette Raketenstufe sieht irgendwie anders aus.
Es war definitiv eine komplette stufe. Ohne interstage und Triebwerke, aber ansonsten komplett. Ich bin mir sehr sicher, dass Blue Origin New Glenn ins All senden wird. Sie sind langsamer als SpaceX. Jeder da draussen ist das. Das bedeutet allerdings nicht, dass sie keine Ahnung haben.
@@Whataboutit Na gut, ich nehm Dich mal beim Wort mein Bester! Wir Beide behalten das im Auge, ok? ;-)
Ok, does Spacex intend to remove all 6 vertical storage tanks at the Launch site ?
Why aren't there external cameras on both ships? This would be interesting to watch!
Felix, the point about full fuel load for Starship 25 would indicate that it also should have had some dummy load. I was actually wondering if they had a tank with something ventable in the payload section. If ITF-3 is not going to use Starlinks, I wonder what they will use for the mass simulation. Any ideas?
I do think that the extra LOX was the dummy payload. That was used to make the rocket heavier.
My guess will be a cyber truck.
@@WhataboutitThat would be the simplest load, wouldn’t it? No extra structure to support it. No harm to the atmosphere. Can’t come crashing down to Earth somewhere. A heavy chunk of metal would probably splash in the ocean somewhere. A load of water would require extra hardware.
@@Whataboutit Could it be possible that this would also a test for later resupply missions which would carry fuel to LEO. We know they are going to test ship to ship transfer. So what bettery payload than extra fuel that could test the resupply missions.
Very excited about the future, I can imagine multiple launch towers up the entire coast, multiple launches per day and an expansion of civilisation!
what an excitement !! but we are miles away from that multiple launches per day , they even might never happen at all
It's a pipe-dream
@@BarriosGroupie having ambitious dreams mean you'll get further than playing it safe.
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You rock! Keep up the good work. 👍
They definitely need to upscale the launch tower as well
What is a freedom unit?
Any imperial Measurement used by Americans/United states as opposed to metric… Europeans are so fucking proud of metric.
Orion's rocket is a compact little beast! :D
Thanks for not giving us the 'did youtube unsubscibe you' speech!
I generally replay all the space news videos on a Saturday for my friends, but they've been boycotting your channel because of too many digressions from aerospace, so... this was a step in the right direction in that regard, thx!
Excellent stuff bro
Good work as always. Keep it up. I always look forward to Tuesday.
Thank you, Felix and WAI crew, for the fantastic updates! YOU R O C K !
Thank you for watching!!!
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I'm interested in the gravity 1 rocket given that it has so many debris being released and how "dirty" the smoke it produces, makes me wonder about the environmental cost, and makes a lot of sense for them to set it off from a ship. And also the cost side, how much they actually saved given that the rocket and boosters are most likely unrecoverable
It’s a solid rocket, they are dirt cheap. They are also fairly toxic.
The solid rocket stages combined cost less than a Falcon second stage
@@markuskoivisto Interesting. Does that mean if we combine both solid and liquid, a lot more cost can be saved?
Oh but it is most likely not feasible to go any further than our orbit, since you can't shut the engine down after ignition.
@@shikyokira3065 I mean, yes. Plenty of rockets use a combo of solid and liquid fuel. Including Vulcan, the new ULA launch vehicle.
@@shikyokira3065 yes, rockets have used SRB boosters to augment liquid engines since forever. You may have heard of the space shuttle?
Thank you! 👍
Methinks the Orienspace launch is relying on simply having enough Delta-V from the solid boosters to reach a minimum orbit vs being as precise as a North American or European launch. Sending weather satellites implies geostationary orbit, they may simply have planned on changing burn time on the transfer as a compromise over having super precise control over the launch.
It's good that business minded people got into building rockets since governments do not seem to be very motivated to maximize the savings of costly resources.
It's like um... rocket fuel has been injected into the space industry. At long last.
It blew up because of big Big, BIg, BIG engineering mistakes.
Felix....I hope you get an invite to the next Astro Awards ... Your absence was a shame...would have loved to see you there👍
Why no mass simulator payload? The extra fuel to match real use would only make it the same flight path if it had extra mass for payload.
Maybe he should complete *ONE SUCCESSFUL MISSION/FLIGHT* first! Starship is becoming one giant make believe vanity project! How about some RESULTS. Musk told us he would be flying several times a week by now… 😂
I don’t think you understand how this works.
@@Chrisnickhill I do believe your correct Sir.
Without political red tape he would be. But anyways if Falcon is any example then Starship would probably fail a handful of times before it's perfected than it launches will massively ramp up.
Felix Felix Felix.
You are from Europe, be better than the idiots that say "freedom units" don't be a bigot.
True, why are Europeans so allergic to other units
You're absolutely right. It should be Freedumb Units.
@@iamaduckquack Kindergarden units.
Filling the tanks to simulate realistic flight conditions seems like a cop-out to me, or are they telling me that a ballast is unheard of in spaceflight 🤔
Need to change your TDB to TBD on your launch lists.
The animation of the fuel transfer is not realistic as it displays gravitationally influenced flow and dispersion within the tanks. 3:44
Unless some thrusters are firing gravity is muted by orbital speed.
Can they make the upper stage longer so venting of fuel is further from possible ignition
I will consider Star Factory fully operational when they have on-site; a power plant, a desalination plant and fuel production. Self-sufficient operation is essential for the rapid operation of a space port.
Hey felix!!!
Thanks Felix
1:23 what was the cause of the Booster explosion?
Is the second tower going to be built to take version 3 starship straight away ie taller with the quick disconnect arm in the higher position?
Amazing job as always
The new new launch tower for Starship will be built south of the current tower along the beach.
Hey, I have a crazy question. Why not use the heat in space ships for power generation instead of using ir radiators?
Now Witness the production power of this fully tooled and operational Star Factory
Hi Felix,
Where is the launch tower segment that was shipped from Kennedy to Port of Brownsville?
Another great episode Felix, you rock I’m starting to look kind of buff. Keep up the good work.
hey Felix . do the launch pads at staircase have flame diverter/trenches
With the new production cadence, what are the thoughts on "highway 4 & Boca beach"??
Just from transport back N forth they would be spending more time closed rather than open.
I know testing at Masseys is going to help, but when it's all said and done and even launching on 39A at the same time (like with Florida N Vandenberg) for the amount of launches per day that's the final goal.........
What will they do???
Felix your bloopers are awesome!
There was a lot of great content here, but what about version 3?
19:30 you can cut trust on solid rocket motors using blow out panels to kill the trust. ICBM uses this to hit targets accurate
Solid fuel is also dense so rocket looks small and yes its look Kerbal
I can imagine a new thing, “hot padding”. A launch pad not completely cooling off before another launch is performed on it.
If you can release the main booster rocket when the rocket reaches the 1st stage point, then the 2nd stage can do its job.
I could imagine 4 boosters being explosively pushed away at the same time.
Does anyone know what that really cool effect around the Starship is at 3:21?
Very good presentation
the question on IFT2 ship destruction, was.. WHY did they feel the need to dump the LOX? they were probably going to lose it in re-entry anyway
To not have extra weight on reentry
What do you think? Are V3 prototypes gonna be part of the new starship tower?
That gravity 1 rocket seems insane
How about using less fuel but adding steel to compensate for the lost weight?
I hope SpaceX will put an emergency backup / recovery Dragon in readiness for a mission should there be wn issue with the Axiom flight.
Like catching the farings perhaps catching starship might not work.
Even the earliest boosters had 22 ton mass load simulaters ! IFT1 and IFT2 had no payload jthey were fully fueled for testing purposes !
Space X should put Polaris missions on steroids. Use Dragon to bring up astronauts and Starship to bring up practice materials. Not just space walk, but learn to weld, manufacture, build robots to assemble structures. Our number 1 goal should be a very large rotating station/fuel depot where transfer ships can be assembled. Launching a transfer ship from a space station is 10X easier than launching from Earth. To get to the Moon & Mars, way quicker to have a large rotating orbital space station first.
LOVE THE OUT-TAKES, btw.
just a catch tower past that new parking lot at the olm prolly the "streamlined" position,, second spot closer to the ocean from the olm " catch tower only"
that horizontal pez dispenser prolly wont stand mdp