8 TIPS for Composers (with issues)

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  • @AimeeNolte
    @AimeeNolte 3 года назад +177

    The Amadeus stuff had me 😂😂😂

    • @605gbird
      @605gbird 3 года назад +3

      Love your work Aimee! Same here!

    • @Terracraft321
      @Terracraft321 3 года назад +1

      lmao

    • @PrinceWesterburg
      @PrinceWesterburg 2 года назад +4

      Mozart went to see an opera and then went home and wrote the whole 3 hours of music down with no errors. He used to get music, even whole operas, appear in his head which he hated as he'd have to spend three days writing them down. Imagine you where born a musical genius and had no radio, TV, phones, internet, nothing to distract you, just other musicians to play and [gasp] inprovise with? Where do you think Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, Wes Montgomery got their chops from? Not the internet! And if like Mozart you had played violin, had perfect pitch and read music better than your native language then yes you too would be able to tell someone exactly what to write down - just as chess players can play six games simultaneously blindfolded.
      Tonight I listened the The Ivors Composer Awards 2021 on BBC Radio 3 and its literally disgusting how talentless composers are today. So, there you go, we are all talentless and any 'art' piece you write are only listened to by the judges of composer award competitions. Social media is contemporary classical music's only hope for innovation - while it has vanished up it's own backside, other types of music have flourished into new genres.
      So next time someone gets 4,000 violinists to play the quietest flautando then puts it through a broken reel to reel with a chimpanzee playing bells and looped samples of an 80 year old Scottish fisherman recorded in 1963 and has the audacity to call it art just punch them in the face as hard as you can as a) it will stop this crap and b) you'll get instant fame.

  • @joelkulesha8284
    @joelkulesha8284 3 года назад +226

    I really appreciate when professionals talk about the things they struggle with.
    Nobody is perfect and nobody knows everything, if you aren't struggling with your music then you aren't trying. There's always more to learn, nobody ever knows it all. So hearing a professional actually recognize that and talk candidly about it is amazing imo! It's really appreciated!

  • @corduroyal8260
    @corduroyal8260 3 года назад +269

    You’re like the calm, reassuring, inspiring music teacher I always needed. This video is a godsend

  • @amarug
    @amarug 8 месяцев назад +9

    What you say around the 4min mark, how essentially "not to fear patching stuff together" is a really important point and reminded me of the great Nobuo Uematsu who once explained that he wrote little fragments, day by day for like a month and at the end he just puzzled it all together and out came "One Winged Angel", once of the most unique and iconic pieces of video game soundtrack ever written....

  • @NahreSol
    @NahreSol 3 года назад +111

    Great video! Full of insights and loved the Amadeus part 😅!

  • @vaclavmichalekmusic
    @vaclavmichalekmusic 3 года назад +84

    That last bit spoke to me so deeply...I've learned that being a musician goes way further than handling music. It's a lot about handling yourself: your habits, mental health, self-awareness, needs, obligations....There has been so much time I wasn't able to spend time making music because I was dragged down by my inner struggles, even though I had exciting projects saved in Cubase

    • @rozzgrey801
      @rozzgrey801 2 года назад

      @Mike Yes. 90125.

    • @rozzgrey801
      @rozzgrey801 2 года назад

      @Mike It's an album by rock group Yes. I was just taking the piss out of the shit you posted, twatto.

  • @rosssmith4179
    @rosssmith4179 2 года назад +13

    Re Tip #8. My dad was a theory/comp professor. He told me that at some point every composer has to face up to the reality that you won't be the next Beethoven, and instead focus on being the first 'you'.

  • @ClarkPotter
    @ClarkPotter 3 года назад +78

    Can we all agree that David is a beautiful, brilliant human heing?

  • @asa.pankeiki
    @asa.pankeiki 3 года назад +59

    I think these are good tips not just for composition but creativity in general
    Thanks so much for sharing them

  • @florisheijdra6086
    @florisheijdra6086 3 года назад +55

    When you have an idea and you've written it down, but you think it sucks just add a new parameter. Dynamics and maybe a different tempo can work wonders. They give a plain, rather stupid, idea a flow. They give it direction. Then after you can change notes, but you will see how much dynamic markings make a difference when starting with an idea!

    • @anomymouse5043
      @anomymouse5043 4 месяца назад

      Tempo: I was singing Durufle's requiem at one point. Durufle had written specific tempo markings on many sections. I was surprised how strong effect the change in tempo had on music.
      Dynamics: I think this is the key element across all music. You *should* have contrasts inside compositions and/or between compositions.

  • @jamaicanpianistcomposer
    @jamaicanpianistcomposer 3 года назад +55

    I needed this today. Been such a task to get everything going.... but this has been very timely and helpful! Thanks David!

    • @Pattamatt1998
      @Pattamatt1998 3 года назад +1

      Always comforting to know I'm not the only one, best of luck with your work, I hope you're able to make something great :)

  • @Rubrickety
    @Rubrickety 3 года назад +92

    My problem is that I have plenty of ideas, but my inner critic speaks in a distorted, vaguely Germanic electronic nightmare voice, and I'm too disturbed to compose anything. ;-)

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus 3 года назад +3

      DAMN YOU ROBACH!!!

    • @krakenkrispykremelivinthedream
      @krakenkrispykremelivinthedream 3 года назад

      does anyone know what it is called?

    • @imlxh7126
      @imlxh7126 2 года назад +1

      dude lean into that. it worked for kraftwerk

    • @Bushwhacker-so4yk
      @Bushwhacker-so4yk 2 года назад

      @@rainbowkrampus Robach, hahahaa!

    • @anomymouse5043
      @anomymouse5043 4 месяца назад +1

      @@imlxh7126 Damn, you beat me to that comment. I am currently hearing mixture of traditional classical music and robotic voice...

  • @mr88cet
    @mr88cet Год назад +2

    “Restrictions set you free” is one of my pet peeves related to Microtonality: If you have no boundaries, then there is no cleverness to be had. If I could telepathically transmit any arbitrary feeling into your mind, then it’s all just dream-state experience! What’s interesting is how turn a limited framework of expression to your advantage.

  • @FormulaXFD
    @FormulaXFD 3 года назад +6

    In composing the masterpiece that is "One Winged Angel," Nobuo Uematsu had something like 8 unique and different ideas where he had to sew them together.

  • @bigogle
    @bigogle 3 года назад +15

    When I'm thinking of form and repetition I take Elgar's side: if an idea comes back, it's never the same, ever.

  • @emmak.1313
    @emmak.1313 3 года назад +6

    Thank you David! I've been battling with a simultaneous eagerness and fear of creating music for years. As an adult learner I tend to notice way too often which areas of music are "too next level" and "out of reach" for me. Your approach to music edutainment helps me to concentrate on what is possible and doable. Tricks for confused moments, yes, that is me. I suddenly realize I am already a composer with a musical mind. I will not shy away from half-ideas anymore but embrace and cultivate them with your tips.

  • @eliotmccann2589
    @eliotmccann2589 3 года назад +7

    This video couldn't have come at a better time! Thanks, David!

  • @AndreaMoonMusic
    @AndreaMoonMusic Год назад +1

    This was really inspiring. A lot to think about. What you said at the end about handling myself - very important to think about. Thank you!

  • @severalfrogsinatrenchcoat408
    @severalfrogsinatrenchcoat408 2 года назад +5

    A lot of your advice apply very well to visual arts as well, I really felt it helped me too, even though I don't make music. Thank you ❤️

  • @JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories
    @JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories 3 года назад +24

    This is mental health for us composers. God Bless This Channel. It would be an honor to share my work with you one day sir!

  • @CuratorOfRealities
    @CuratorOfRealities 3 года назад +7

    Two examples presented without context or what part of the video reminded me of them:
    Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde: last movement, singer has one phrase repeated three times, and a flute accompanies the first two but transforms the third by its absence
    Rachmaninov, Symphony No. 2: march featuring a tuba solo in the scherzo

  • @ArthurRosch
    @ArthurRosch 2 года назад +3

    David, you are an incredible articulator of musical issues. I LOVE the history of classical music (I'm a jazz musician) and you speak like a writer. What a treasure. I look forward to watching more of your videos.

  • @Shunarjuna
    @Shunarjuna 3 года назад +2

    This was so helpful. Many of these tips I had already discovered myself but the others I, like everyone else, really struggle with. Thanks heaps!

  • @Akumasama
    @Akumasama 3 года назад +3

    4:05 -- literally how One-winged angel was composed.

  • @louisvonbeethoven
    @louisvonbeethoven 3 года назад +1

    Very well thought out. Thank you.

  • @MoeThermodynamics
    @MoeThermodynamics 3 года назад

    The last line of the video hit me so hard. Thank you!

  • @LaymensLament
    @LaymensLament 2 года назад

    that first tip is genious, i do this anyway in my writing but not nearly as consequent as i should!

  • @nigelhaywood9753
    @nigelhaywood9753 3 года назад +1

    Excellent advice. You’ve gone through all the stages there. Thank you .

  • @oscarjohnzen9808
    @oscarjohnzen9808 3 года назад +2

    I’ve been waiting for this so much! Thank you so much!

  • @matclasensax
    @matclasensax 3 года назад +1

    Hey David, thank you very much for your insights! Your talking about your experience not only on the subject of composing but also on the subject of developing your personality as a composer, is very inspiring.

  • @michaeltroke7239
    @michaeltroke7239 3 года назад +1

    David, your videos are wonderful: useful, profound, honest and original, totally lacking pretension (the sign of a genuine artist/intellectual). Thanks for your generosity in sharing your knowledge and experience.

  •  3 года назад +2

    This is great advice, thank you so much! I bet many composers out there will be happy with all of these tips!

  • @giulioburratti4538
    @giulioburratti4538 2 года назад

    you're always prophetic to me bruce, thx

  • @StephenBennettVocalTracks
    @StephenBennettVocalTracks 3 года назад +1

    Very helpful and thoughtful David. Thanks heaps. I need to go through this a few times and take notes! You've addressed all the problems I'm currently experiencing.

  • @simonpaulaustin
    @simonpaulaustin Год назад

    Fantastic video. Answers so many of the things that I continually experience.

  • @parsa.mostaghim
    @parsa.mostaghim 3 года назад +1

    timing of this video is great, recently finished my first piece. thanks david

  • @pasikeranen
    @pasikeranen 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much... very good pointers and especially the number 8 really resonated and gave food for some thought on how to proceed with my own music writing and producing path.

  • @Tylervrooman
    @Tylervrooman 3 года назад +2

    Yay a new DB video!! thanks for the great content! I have a composition debut on my channel today! A violin and Viola duet. Big fan of your videos! Thanks again!

  • @ThePlanetzyz
    @ThePlanetzyz Год назад

    Just want to say that every video I watch of yours hits the nail firmly on the head for me like no other you-tuber. And this one does that particularly well. Very appreciative of the time you take out from composing to make these vids.

  • @Max-jf5vu
    @Max-jf5vu 3 года назад +1

    This video is SO rich in content and insight, thank you! I feel like most of these apply to me and I'll try to take them into account.

  • @janhugosaabye3800
    @janhugosaabye3800 3 года назад +1

    Thank you once again, David Bruce, for an inspiring talk! I really do enjoy your way of giving advice!

  • @musicalintentions
    @musicalintentions 3 года назад +1

    Your points about self-care are spot on. Thanks for all the insights!

  • @ccrider5398
    @ccrider5398 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for your postings. Too many people think that music is something that God has given some select few individuals - whether it is performing or more often composing. Either performing or composing, people don't realize how many hours are spent "practicing". I went to a clinic with Dee Barton many years ago and he recommended everyone write a song every day whether it was AABA, Verse and Chorus, or and A, B, C march. Whether or not any of these become "hits" or the basis of a "magnum opus", the practice serves anyone who is willing to do the exercise. All this applies whether you "don't have any ideas" or "other people are geniuses and I'm not". Keep up the good work.

    • @anomymouse5043
      @anomymouse5043 4 месяца назад

      This reminds me about Stephen King's comments on writing. You could summarize one of his main themes as: Do the work. Start sweating and keep doing.

  • @neilwalsh3977
    @neilwalsh3977 3 года назад +1

    It's good to see a channel dedicated to composition - we need these

    • @neilwalsh3977
      @neilwalsh3977 3 года назад +1

      And more the simple fact of the difficulties/challenges of living as a composer. Bringing composers and performers closer together is my ideal.

  • @kalynnscompositions
    @kalynnscompositions 3 года назад +1

    I've been waiting for a video like this! All great advice. I know I've struggled with the last two in particular. Your point on the cultural implications of each instrument and it's history is a cool way of thinking of things.

  • @oranharkin8855
    @oranharkin8855 3 года назад +1

    Just what I've been needing. Thanks David!

  • @Mort7an
    @Mort7an 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this wonderful video David. Most of this stuff is equally relevant to my field of the arts (not music). Your insight and clarity of thinking on the more confusing and frustrating aspects of the creative process mark you out as a first rate teacher. :)

  • @LysSylva
    @LysSylva 7 месяцев назад

    thank you for this most apprechiated vid. Exactly the right thing I needed to hear❣

  • @wanderfra42
    @wanderfra42 Год назад

    The editing is insane! And thanks for yet another insightful and useful video.

  • @rodterrell304
    @rodterrell304 2 года назад

    Great information , I really needed to hear this.

  • @Hulloder
    @Hulloder 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for putting out content that's actually educational unlike a certain RUclipsr who's name rhymes with Stick Piano

  • @GeoffLiMusic
    @GeoffLiMusic 3 года назад

    The points about making movement a part of the nature of the piece (as opposed to only in the transitions), and specifically pinpointing the "parts you're slightly embarrassed about" in your writing as the things that make your writing unique, were what I needed to hear today 🙏

  • @victor29rc
    @victor29rc 3 года назад +1

    Thanks so much for the video, David!

    • @victor29rc
      @victor29rc 3 года назад

      please make this version of Amadeus a whole 1h long video

  • @kallehed6330
    @kallehed6330 3 года назад +1

    Such a great informative video, I really thank you for the great advice. Through my composition journey, I think I've started to realize all these things subconsciously, but this video really put them all into words, and hearing the intuitive explanations really was enlightening. Let this video inspire the composers of the future!

  • @annemiekeknowles5945
    @annemiekeknowles5945 3 года назад +6

    You wrote another brilliant video that I enjoyed immensely. I’m too embarrassed to call myself a “composer”. I just make stuff for background of images. I write carelessly, keep bits I should get rid of, and don’t rewrite often. Still, I enjoy myself and don’t have a bad conscience cuz I seldom listen to my final product. I used to paint and write poetry the same way. There, I’ve said it

    • @andredelacerdasantos4439
      @andredelacerdasantos4439 3 года назад +2

      I think it's important to like what you create and to revisit it for recreation and leasure after it's finished. I listen to the half hour of music I've created so far every day.

  • @christianmaltais
    @christianmaltais 3 года назад +1

    These are great. great tips. Very helpful and insightful. Thanks!

  • @neu-ter
    @neu-ter 3 года назад

    That was really nice to put together thank you

  • @jonathanreeves18
    @jonathanreeves18 3 года назад +1

    Some great advice and excellent tips as always. Also I came away feeling more positive about my compositions. I loved Mozarts ‘Three blind mice’!

  • @jayducharme
    @jayducharme 3 года назад +1

    Thank you, David. That was very well said (and very familiar). One other issue I've often run into is knowing when I've actually completed a piece. I've had instances where a piece comes nearly fully-formed and I've finished it in a matter of hours, and I'm happy with it. Then there are other pieces that I want to tweak to death. (One piece I kept revising for 14 years!) So I've trained myself to work on a piece for no more than a few months, and then call it done when it's pretty much matching my intent. And I use each piece as a stepping stone, setting out to learn something new for myself when I compose it. When I feel the piece is finished, I don't concern myself with whether it's a masterpiece; I just move on to the next piece. I've found that if I come back to a piece years later, my mindset has changed from when I originally wrote the piece and I begin revising it with the new mindset. That's a futile task that never ends. So I've just learned to say, "done".

  • @Krakenfall
    @Krakenfall 2 года назад

    There a few RUclips channels that inspire and motivate me to push past my mental blockers and work on music. Your channel is one of them. Even if it's for 20 minutes, I usually open up Ableton after watching one of your videos. Thank you for sharing your work and perspective!

  • @dleov4645
    @dleov4645 3 года назад +1

    Love this, thanks for making this video!

  • @DuckyMusique
    @DuckyMusique Год назад

    These are truely great advices, thank you so much :)

  • @Vininn126
    @Vininn126 3 года назад +1

    David this was a brilliant video :)

  • @mdue72
    @mdue72 10 месяцев назад

    Great concepts of learning, thank you 👍🙂

  • @philkonestos2837
    @philkonestos2837 3 года назад

    That's the kind of Content I've been looking for for a while.
    Thank you

  • @ilanmetoudi
    @ilanmetoudi 2 года назад

    Thank you, for the great advice!😀

  • @michaelneedham3151
    @michaelneedham3151 Год назад

    I really appreciate this video. Thank you so much.

  • @jtn191
    @jtn191 3 года назад +1

    These are great advice, thanks 👍

  • @philipclifford2314
    @philipclifford2314 2 года назад

    This is fantastic. I watched this. Then some time passed and I watched it again. It is good. Very useful. I'm excited to write something new. Thanks again, David!

  • @shivani41
    @shivani41 3 года назад +1

    Superb! Thank you very much. This really helps.

  • @babawawayoyo
    @babawawayoyo 2 года назад

    Wow, so many amazing tips packed in here!! Thank you!!

  • @Lynkevmusic
    @Lynkevmusic 3 года назад +1

    great advice David, really appreciated 😌

  • @amriteshmaitra6877
    @amriteshmaitra6877 3 года назад

    A pretty good primer for people associated with Creative pursuits. Thanks for the lessons!

  • @41Fingers
    @41Fingers 3 года назад +2

    so glad I found this channel

  • @bengt-erikfroberg9191
    @bengt-erikfroberg9191 2 года назад

    I think this is one of wisest thing I've heard in my entire life, and I would have needed to hear it like 40 years ago. Repeated and literally bashed into my head. Thank you so much!!

  • @Kwprules
    @Kwprules 3 года назад +1

    Brilliant video, thank you!

  • @davidhepworthmusic
    @davidhepworthmusic 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing your experience. A lot of this advice addresses problems I've been fighting since I first started writing music years ago. The bit about not trying to write a piece chronologically and instead just write and piece things together later is especially helpful. I've often told myself "I'll write more music once I know how the next section goes." As a result, I'm not very good at developing and changing an idea. I find your music uniquely original and enjoyable. The comedy in this vid is top notch as well

  • @yvmpianist
    @yvmpianist 3 года назад

    Thank you very much David! Even though I am a pianist rather than a composer, I can really apply most of your tips to better deal with the inner critic both in the practice and performing settings! Very useful and helpful!

  • @chuck_moore
    @chuck_moore 2 года назад

    Just watched this. Nicely done. Thanks for putting in the time and effort, as it addressed many of my thoughts.

  • @DRSwain1988
    @DRSwain1988 2 года назад

    Fantastic video, David. A very honest account of some very familiar struggles. I think creative individuals need to be reminded of the fact that everyone else faces the same challenges from time to time, regardless of ability or experience. Oh and the "Three Blind Mice"/Amadeus mashup almost caused coffee to shoot out my nose. Keep up with the fantastic content!

  • @tomothy527
    @tomothy527 2 года назад

    Your tips have helped me so much!

  • @hugobouma
    @hugobouma 3 года назад +6

    My word, you have been upping your production value with that title sequence…

  • @MHMecklin
    @MHMecklin 3 года назад

    What he said at the end is soooooooo so true. Self live and care as a composer is literally one the most different parts. Of all the stuff you know and learn, Nothing compares to this. It’s sooooo important. Everything else comes secondary.

  • @Quadr44t
    @Quadr44t 2 года назад +1

    4:10 woo. That is exactly how I work. Work with a DAW, and I have this project which is just a collection of transcriptions or native ideas of a few bars. If I like it. Feel like it works as a hook, and I can find a few ideas that sorta work together, I just stitch em together. Pretty happy with the results. Seems like an efficient way of writing.

  • @manoletemora5267
    @manoletemora5267 3 года назад

    Excellent advice!

  • @ShaharHarshuv
    @ShaharHarshuv 3 года назад

    Some very good points, well done.

  • @Krendor123
    @Krendor123 3 года назад +6

    I have a ninth problem: When thinking of a melody in my head I start with something and then continue the melody. But as I continue I nearly always end up in a melody from already existing music. It is extremely hard to not fall back to already exiting pieces.

  • @mystogan6556
    @mystogan6556 3 года назад +1

    Dang! All my problems are here. Thanks for answering all those issues

  • @mymasmith7848
    @mymasmith7848 3 года назад +15

    The everyone else is a genius reminded me of a time many years ago, in the first class on the first day of grad school for chemistry at a Big Name university, the professor walks in a starts by saying "Let me be clear, none of us in this room will win the Nobel prize, including myself, now let's learn some chemistry". I suppose it is similar in composing where nearly all of the composers will not win the Pulitzer prize or a Grammy or Oscar or such.

  • @jasongarner9728
    @jasongarner9728 2 года назад

    I've never heard the quote from the Simpsons writer. That is really fantastic. Thanks for putting out such great material David!

  • @willgiam3231
    @willgiam3231 3 года назад +1

    Thank you, this means a lot

  • @ClarkPotter
    @ClarkPotter 3 года назад +6

    Your videos are excellent!! I became a fan after your Jacob Collier video. I'm new to producing in Ableton and this is very helpful. The Simpsons' writer's suggestion is *gold* for helping writing the book I'd like to as well. It reminds of Zizek's answer to how he can write so many books. He says there's no way he could write a book, so he just writes down all his ideas and then edits and organizes them adequately enough later that it passes for a book.

  • @itznoxy7193
    @itznoxy7193 3 года назад +2

    You really gotta write tons of stuff. I probably composed a hundred bad to okay pieces before I started making good ones. Also try and keep the pieces short, limited in scope and instrumentation (no huge orchestras) and try to have a goal for the piece like (this piece I'm going to do something cool with the oboe" or "this piece I'm going to see how much I can do with just harp and strings" and then build up from there. Don't worry about making it perfect or amazing. All my early pieces were short studies like this on specific instruments and combinations before I eventually moved up to a small standard orchestra (no auxiliaries) and then eventually moving up to the large scale orchestra I currently write for. There is no point in having lots of instruments and auxiliaries if you don't know how to use them.

  • @yehudalichtenstein574
    @yehudalichtenstein574 3 года назад

    You've got my like after just the first minute :)
    This intro was brilliantly done, and reminded me of the various things I should keep in mind as a composer.

  • @ChaplainAcosta
    @ChaplainAcosta 3 года назад

    I’m only through the first 2 and it’s brilliant. Really appreciate this.

  • @MrBochawa
    @MrBochawa 3 года назад

    It's nice to know we're not alone!!!

  • @stephenspackman5573
    @stephenspackman5573 3 года назад +1

    That was really … useful. Thanks.

  • @mosheknoll1603
    @mosheknoll1603 3 года назад

    Thank you for posting this priceless video!

  • @mrmaison4924
    @mrmaison4924 3 года назад +1

    Great tips! Like when I do painting, I always leave room for the universe to add magic in unexpected ways like those strokes that were not intended but add the most magic to the piece. I often look at my paintings and listen to my music and feel like some parts was not my doing. In other words, I may have the main idea and vibe but try not to be such a control freak over what actually happens in the details.

  • @grantveebeejay535
    @grantveebeejay535 3 года назад

    Thank you David, my inner demons come frothing to the surface when you mentioned them towards the end of this episode. I need them to compose as I need my own strangeness and mental health issues. Among other things they led me to you and your increasing fluffyness. Thank you again for these great tips today. Always appreciated.