Thank you so much for watching the video! I hope you liked it, it was the most effort I’ve put into any video so far! Thank you truly so much for the recent support, it’s been mind blowing to see and has made me so incredibly happy and honoured. Truly, thank you. Now where a fun Pokémon ecosystem fact I left out of the video just for the comment readers: Minior is a filter feeding Pokémon that floats in the upper atmosphere, feeding on minerals. Because of this and their overwhelmingly large population, it’s extremely likely that Minior are the primary food source for Raqyquaza since they are the only two Pokémon known to live in the upper atmosphere (more specifically, the ozone layer)! :D EDIT: It was pointed out my chart didn’t have any of the penguins on it, so I fixed that and put them exactly where they’d go and properly labelled them, and uploaded the fixed chart! I also fixed the placement of Fomantis/Lurantis and Milcery/Alcremie. You can download it here! files.catbox.moe/149zys.png
@@tunnelsnake420 Taxonomically, all mammals come from the lobe-finned stony fish clade, and are therefore lobe-finned stony fish (in the same way that all birds are dinosaurs). Unless you wouldn't call lobe-finned stony fish fish, whales are fish
When a RUclipsrs voice isn’t annoying,knows how to keep your attention,talks about stuff you like, and doesn’t have millennial humor they get another subscriber
I was skeptical when reading this comment. But then I got hit with Chapter 1, and I started actually paying attention. *that* aside, please stop with this boomer “my generation is better than your generation” bullshit.
I just need to see someone hatching a human egg now. I don't see why they can't add it to the anime or even the games. Like, hatch an egg to get a human companion. Well, that would cause problems ... but it could still be added in as a quest or something.
@@polarknight5376 This will sound so dumb, but I straight up spent days on the intro alone because I kept rewriting and remaking it until I got it right lol I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@WinterRoseYTthere are a few things I'd like to add if you like I think that pokemon aren't metamorphosing when they evolve, they're just growing, like that's how Pokemon grow. Charmander being a baby/child, Charmeleon is a teen and Charizard is the adult form. I'd also like to add that some Pokemon may have... Another more sinister origin, remember the plates? They tell us that Arceus defeated some beings before creating everything, some giants, of which the identity is unclear. But the one thing the plates never tell us is if Arceus permanently stopped them (I'm actually trying to avoid the k word here). I believe that they're still there and that they're influencing the multiverse from outside. Take eternatus for example "the giant pokemon" that's his category in the Pokedex. What if those giants can split just like Arceus can? After all they're his brothers. I believe that eternatus is a small part of one of those giants, and there's strong evidence to support that the original dragon from unova is one as well.
It’s not growth, because we observe pokemon grow old and die without ever evolving! It’s far more likely an epigenetic change since it’s always through necessity in combat or an external factor! I like your theories though!
I'd argue that the pokedex shouldn't be treated as absolute truth, since some of them are clearly wrong, and of course they're written by humans that couldn't know these things for sure. Most obvious examples are the gen 8 fossils, which are fossils that were put back together wrong, and have pokedex entries that explain how these pokemon lived in ancient times when they clearly didn't actually exist.
That is an accurate statement, but in order to have any data at all in any field of study, accepting things that might not be true is mandatory. Blatantly incorrect facts are one thing, but if we were to deny every Magcargo or Raichu entry, then we have a very blurry line to draw and a lot of data to just throw out.
With how good the animation was and how well-spoken you were, (along with a nice voice and good humor) I had no idea you were such a small channel till you pointed it out. I can't believe this video had under 1k views. This deserves to spread like wildfire. You got the stuff dude.
@@WinterRoseYT it was way too good not to. I pray for the RUclips algorithm to not let this masterpiece go to waste 🙏 (I'm not religious- Idk why I said that)
Arguably? Humans are Fighting-Type. In the Pokemon world, we have such a tenacity for fighting that we started an unknown war, monopolized leading other Pokemon into battle, and developed honed martial arts. I think those being "Stronger" is purely because of STAB, rather than being Super-Effective. There's also the Ghost-Type thing. We have seen plenty of Ghost Moves have an impact on Humans in the anime, but I don't think there are many cases of Humans being able to affect Ghost-Types. Fighting-Type Moves can't hit Ghosts, but Ghost-Type Moves can hit Fighters. We are STILL the "Evolution Pokemon" due to how much Type variation appears with oracles, magic users, espers, and other instances of literal superpowers. But there are some semantics that make being a Normal-Type make less sense over time. Great video. Very topical.
I mostly like this theory, but with a slight caveat: some characters, such as Sabrina, are stated to have been born psychic. This could be explained easily enough, though. They're simply different "forms" of humans, similar to regional forms, that are psychic type, instead of fighting. People with magic or superpowers could be explained in the same way, or we could say that humans are slightly similar to Eevee, with a slight chance to take on a secondary typing based on environmental factors.
One of the coolest things was seeing that the slowpoke line was amphibians, I always thought they were mammal. Also this is actually one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on RUclips, keep going.
you know the video's fantastic when it's got 100 views and 51 comments! seriously though, the dedication you put into both these in-depth videos and silly little challenges astounds me. i'm sure you'll build up a sizable community some day!
@@pallas-and-her-pals I really hope so too, and I really really apprectiate the kind comments! :) There’s so many things I want to do WITH my community like huge charity streams and events and subathons, and challenges that let the audience get involved and help, sabotage, or compete with me….. but uh, I need an audience to do those lol One day!
Ok but genuinely there is clearly so much work going on in this video and so much time spent deciding what to include and not include that would be interesting. As someone that struggles with limiting that scope when summarising, this is an inspiration. I respected this video so much I wasn't going to comment my confusion about Lugia not being mentioned later but figured that my comment would boost the video in the algorithm so here you go, you deserve it!
Lugia was on the chart with the birds! I figured just showing it would be enough, but the confusion on Lugia did help engagement haha Thank you so much, your words are truly so kind
honestly this is the perfect channel to pop up for me recently, covering my fav obsessions like subnautica and pokemon, PLUS a small channel that is well made off rip is inspirational for me rn. looking through this tree is gonna be my afternoon
You’re straight up going to make my cry :)))))) I really appreciate that, it’s truly so kind of you! I really hope you enjoyed the video! Edit: AND ENJOY THE CHART!!!!
Humans do come from eggs, tho, we just give live birth like you said, but there's still an "egg" involved in the process, I think you're allowed one cop-out after the amazing work you put into this chart and video!
There's some shark species that do the whole retain an egg in a cavity until its developed thing. I do think that had to be the precursor to live young tbh, because how can a placenta evolve if its not inside to attach. I reckon it had to be retained softshelled eggs and a mutation in the yolksac development causing a placental body to form. But I've never looked into studies on that, just educated speculation. Back to pokemon though there's no reason that the mammalian pokemon have only made that step on one branch, the human branch. I mean it was the last step for mammals in our world, and we have some mammals that do still lay eggs but produce milk etc. No reason we wouldn't have every species bar a few producing eggs in our world if that evolutionary leap had happened later on in the mammal time line
I knew 32 seconds in this video would be great, and it definitely was! I do have a few questions about your tree, if you wouldn't mind answers: 1) Why is Mawile over in the Homo Hominidae section? I'd consider it to be more closely related to the Sneasel line, especially since it's jaw is made of horns, so similarly sharp metal. 2) Why is Eevee a felidae? I figured more dog-like traits myself, maybe even fox. 3) Why Toxel/Toxtricity in amphibians? Or maybe why Salandit/Salazzle in Squamata? They're both toxic squishy reptile-looking, I'd expect them to be evolutionarily similar. 4) In general, a few of the branches seem to branch off without a classification tag or obvious reason. For example, the felidae branch goes in two directions, without much differentiation down each path. Or with Rodentia, Pawmot separates early on and Pikachu is at the end, making a closer common ancestor to Pikachu than Pawmot. Is this meaningful at all, or just needed to save on space?
1.) Mawhile was a very tough placement. I’d have to reconsider it, but I was accounting more for its purely bipedal shape and prehensile fingered hands making it a primate. 2.) Skull and paw structure indicate feline! And most of its evolutions are far more feline than vulpine or canine! 3.) So toxel is almost exclusively found near water and has many amphibious traits suggesting it’s a newt or salamnder, but salandit is interesting. It could either be a fire belly newt or a very particular lizard in Hawaii that’s mostly male. Because it’s a fire type, it can’t be partially aquatic, meaning it’s not an amphibian, which leaves me with one choice! 4.) They are meaningful! Pawmi is an alpine marmot, which did exactly that! And felidae goes in different directions based on grouped characteristics like being bipedal or having specific skull or paw structures!
Hi hi! First and foremost, thank you so much for putting this together. As an ecology enthusiast myself, I always get headaches trying to figure out the actual taxonomy for Pokémon, so seeing this right in front of me actually helps a lot that being said, I got a few questions and comments. 1. The Deino line is mammal!? What’s the reasoning behind that? 2. The Foamantis line being related to the Pawnard line is something I never thought would make so much sense 3. Moltres’ closest living relative being cramorant is arguably the funniest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ll 100% accept that into my headcannon 4. According to your chart, Hisuian Voltorb and regular voltorb aren’t even related (at least that’s what I’m getting) does that mean that this is a case of convergent evolution? Or was it so that one day created the Voltorb line and it coincidentally looked like the hisuian type?
@@moflump thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed! 1.) Fur! It has a furry body, making it a mammal! That being said, it’s also reptilian/aquatic in shape, so it must be a very very early mammal, about as early as the platypus! 2.) That’s actually a mistake on my part and will be fixed soon! I THOUGHT Fomantis was a mantis, but it’s actually a carnivorous plant PRETENDING to be a mantis! So it should be related to carnivine! 3.) One’s a heron and one’s a cormorant! That makes them the closest to each other haha 4.) So that’s actually the fun part, Hisuian Voltorb is related to apricorns, and they predate the first pokeball. Pokeballs were designed after apricorns, which is why they resemble each other. Then, in the future, according to the pokedex a pulse of energy in a factory animated a bunch of pokeballs. So, modern Voltorb is an accidental and unrelated artificial pokemon loosely based on an extinct one from the ancient past!
I'm glad everyone else doesn't have to see how genuinely insane researching this made you sound. I'm sure that won't be relevant to later videos you produce though.
I think at the very end everyone got an idea of what you all had to sit and listen to while I researched. It was just the last 3 minutes of the video on loop for three months
Absolutely unreal commitment, I hope this one blows up too. Happy to say I’ve been here since video 1. You’re a real one for offering the poster file for free man, keep rolling
Oh my god this video is amazing. This was very much worth the wait, and I love you so much for the effort put into every part of this, from the visuals and editing to your voice work and the script. Of course, that's without even mentioning how cool the chart is. Just amazing.
@@Kai-tu7xw Strsight up almost made me cry, that’s so unbelievably sweet! I feel so appreciated, thank you so much for watching! I’m so glad you enjoyed! :D
I've thought about this before but I always interpret the part animal part plant pokemon as symbiotes, where two strands of an evolutionary tree would effectively rejoin. I know it'd be weird, but in real life, with the mitochondrial endosymbiosis theory, two organisms somewhere in evolutionary history became one organism
and you also have Lichen, which is consist of a close association of fungi and a algae, though they are classified y their fungal component, since they have the more active role, evolutionary speaking, as they are the ones doing the dispersal and sexual reproduction. the algae reproduce too, though all inside the lichen body to replenish itself. the fungus is the one that propagates spores to new places and forms a new body, acquring new algae along the way (though they do vegetative reproduction too and there the original algal component is along for the ride).
9:09 This was unconfirmed by (if I remember correctly) the person who designed ditto. To be more specific they were asked in an interview if they ever heard of this theory and they said no and that "we designed all pokemon to be different and unique and not have a correlation between eachother, atleast at that time"
I think it was originally a complete coincidence, but over time the Pokemon company started leaning into it and it’s now been retconned as canon as of the Let’s Go games
I already left a comment, but I just wanted to really thank you. It's amazing what you did there. Some question I have while looking through the tree: - Why is Manaphy a gastropod? - What about Rotom is the mineral? Is the orange color copper or bronze? - What is Alcremie? Isn't it whipped cream? - How are Tatsugiri so close to Tetrapods?? - Why is Lapras its own branch and not part of the Testudine family? - What is Lugia?? Why is it a "Bird"? - Why is Togepi and Spritzee so close? - Why is Togedemaru not with all the other rhodents/Pikachu clones? - Why is the Elekid line more huminid than the other primates? How? Thanks in advance for the answers. You don't have to answer everything. Just answer the stuff you deem most interesting. Really thank you for this project, I'm a huge fan of such speculative phylogenetics.
@@minem9952 1.) Manaphy is a sea angel! It’s a type of sea slug! 2.) Rotom is a mollusc encased in plasma similar to a Gastropod, but using electromagnetism as a mineralusc. It uses this plasma to take control of other objects and use them as shells! 3.) I classified Milcery as an ephyra, but upon new information I believe it may have been an artificial accidental creation! 4.) Tatsugiri I believe I either classified as a lungfish, or a fish based on shape and its little inflatable lung sack, and it’s only found on land! 5.) Lapras is a plesiosaurus! 6.) Look at Spritzee and then look at Togekiss and you’ll understand. 7.) Togedemaru is a hedgehog, which aren’t rodents! 8.) Elekid lacks a tail, so it’s not a monkey! It’s gotta be a greater ape!
I have never and will never restrict culture, art, or science behind a pay wall. Art should not be hoarded by the wealthy, it should be equal access to all people :D
Technically if you go by the traditional definition of a species a group of organisms that can interbreed with each other under natural conditions and produce fertile offspring and since all egg groups are linked in some way all pokemon that can breed except manaphy and ditto are one species
Nah, we just have to consider genetics working a little wonky in the Pokemon universe. Egg groups get changed by Gamefreak all of the time, which means they’re not solid canon
This is an amazingly well researched and in-depth video on Pokemon evolutionary history! You may not be the first to have done this, but it's really interesting to see how the same Pokemon are interpreted differently. There's so much that I have yet to look over it all, but I still have a couple of questions. 1. Why are Pineco and Forretress classified as plants when they're classification is "Bagworm" which suggests any resemblance to a pinecone is a case of camouflage, as well as other parts of the video and chart it's mentioned how some seemingly plant like Pokemon can't use Synthesis? 2. How come Kantonian Voltorb/Electrode and Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode are classified not just as entirely different species, but categorizing one as an Artificial Pokemon and the other as a natural species on the tree of life? I understand the interpretation of the Kantonian and Galarian birds as different species, but I would have thought that the appearance of a natural, plant-like Voltorb and Electrode had retconned the spontaneous appearance in Poke Ball factories as an evolutionary adaptation to live in an urban environment.
1.) Good question! I ultimately decided that despite how it’s classified, its movement and the way it doesn’t have a mouth makes it far more likely a case of the pokedex misidentifying it. 2.) Simple! According to the pokedex, Voltorb was created when a pulse of energy animated it in a pokeball factory. Hisuian Voltorb are an extinct species that previously existed before pokeballs. Pokeballs were designed after them, and then those designs got animated, so of course they’d look similar!
THIS IS REDICILOUS!!!! I watched the video to the part where you thank us for the support and from the video quality and how well everything was done I was sure you had AT LEAST a couple hundred thousand subs. I have watched multi-million subscriber channels that dont put half as much effort and love into their videos. I was genuinely outraged and I dont think I have ever seen a youtube that deserves the support more. Ive watched all your other videos and enjoyed all of them to great extend. I really hope you get the attention you deserve and that youll keep making the great stuff
THIS IS SO FUCKING KIND! What the heck, thank you so much! I really really appreciate your kind words, you have no idea how much it means to me! Thank you for the support! I hope you enjoy my future videos! :D
@@WinterRoseYT you should release a physical version of the poster, i would def buy that for me and my pokemon fanatic friends edit: no dont do that nintedo will murder you
Haha, you can just download it and print it yourself! I left a link to the png in the description! I’d never charge money for it, even if I legally could! I want all of my viewers to have equal access to printing it themselves for free :)
I was expecting a fun little educational video with a pokemon mask but instead I was blessed with a very funny mental breakdown of pokemon genetics! Amazing XD
I genuinely really like the idea that the entire Pokemon world as we know it is a paradox that should not exist, but somehow does. Its just such a cool concept!
This video has actually helped me more than you know! I've always been whacking my brain for the most logical in-universe explanation regarding Pokemon, even as a kid, so I'm glad somebody was insane enough to take on that burden. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten, my brother. Having that said, it would be interesting if you covered all the stuff in Pokemon that's still left as a mystery to this day: - the war Lt. Surge was in. - what was nation was Kalos fighting in X and Y. - the dimension where dead people go to and ghost pokemon come from. - the people from the sea that I keep hearing about (different from the ones in the Manaphy movie) - the dimension where the Ultra Beasts come from. - where tf did Deoxys come from. - dimensions where the Paradox Pokemon come from. - what country was Mew first discovered (originally South America wheb Pokemon as a franchise was starting but it's likely retconned now) - the ancient civilizations that created Baltoy and the gang. That's all I can think about. Will tune in next time!
as someone that really loves phylogeny and pokemon this video was the thing i didn't know i needed and it was great. hope you will continue to make amazing content like this
Bro, i'm really happy for the progress you have on youtube, it's just amazing to see a really good channel grow up. thanks a lot, your channel is really good quality, and the videos are really interesting.
Friendly reminder the Ditto being failed cloning attempts of Mew theory was brought up to the creators of the series and they went "That's not a thing and I've never heard of it" cause you know...they thought of Ditto first and retcons for convenience aren't a thing in Pokemon I guess.
I don't think it would be a retcon, obviously the creators aren't going to confirm a theory if it's something intentionally left unconfirmed. Pokemon makes references to fan theories with way less going on with them, like cubones calling in Kangaskhan for their SOS in Sun and Moon.
I would argue that they have retconned it by now... In the original Red & Blue Ditto was nowhere present in the Pokemon Mansion. It wasn't until Pokemon Yellow and FireRed Leafgreen when they started appearing there (which of course is still true all the way up to the Let's Go games).
On the point on humans not laying eggs in the Pokémon canon, this doesn’t necessarily discredit them as separate from the evolutionary tree of Pokémon Humans could just be the only species that evolved to have live birth (for some reason) I really like the idea of people as a form of Pokémon, this was a super great video!
Midway through watching this video, I was shocked to see how few people have both seen it and subscribed to your channel. The degree of effort and quality in this video is amazing. I'll probably be gushing about it for days.
@@thenerdyonekingofnerds873 I saw his videos while researching for mine a couple months ago! I’m going from a more technical scientific basis than his, but I really liked the entertainment value of his!
This is an excellent video! Which is why I'm sorry for the incoming short rant: I would have taken Dex Entries with a grain of salt. Many Pokedex Entries have this thing of not having actual evidence that proves their veracity, and many more that are outright wrong. One of the best examples are "Charmander die if their tail flame is extinguished" and "Cubone wears the skull of its dead parent." The first one could be a mix-up between correlation and causality; after finding a dead Charmander with a snuffed out tail, someone concluded that the flame going out was the Cause of Death, when the tail going out could just be an indicator of death. In the end, there's no empirical evidence to support this claim, but Occam's Razor begets us to lean towards the latter interpretation. Moving on to the second one, whenever you hatch a Cubone Egg, it is born with its skull helmet, without needing to find a discarded cranium for it to wear (specially not its parent's, who doesn't die). This directly disproves the information given in the Pokedex Entry. Speaking of Eggs, many pokemon are born from eggs, _including Ghost-Type Pokemon,_ the birth of which doesn't punctuate the death of another being (if you hatch a thousand Yamask Eggs, are you killing thousands of strangers?). Gengar, Houndstone, Treavanant can also eat and "Visit the Daycare," meaning their status as "dead" beings is questionable at best. Point is, The Pokedex is plagued with myths and speculation (don't get me started with the 'imaginatively dark' way some of them are written), enough to require a more careful and skeptic look on its data. It is my hope this could be a chance for a more insightful discussion on the topic.
I love how it doesn't even take thirty seconds for him to go "god is real, and he has forsaken us" in a cheery tone. This is gonna be a wild ride Edit: It was, indeed, a wild ride
Great job on this! I love seeing people’s interpretations on the Pokémon phylogenetic tree. (And I like how you created new branches to fit the mineral ish and plant ish Pokémon!) however, I do have one question: why is pyukumuku, wobbuffett, and wynaut in the “Nemertia” category? I thought that pyukumuku would be better as an echinoderm since it is probably based on a sea cucumber (hence “innards out”), and I can maybe see wobbuffet being a ribbon worm if the tail is the worm itself.
Interesting! Never would have thought any Pokémon would be a ribbon worm, let alone one of the oldest ones! Wait, that means wobbuffett has a proboscis… oh god. Now wobbuffet makes sense, but where does pyukumuku fit if it is probably based on a sea cucumber?
Ok, thanks for clearing it up! I will say if I get the tree as a physical poster, I might make a note that pyukumuku could be a ribbon worm or a sea cucumber. Despite that minor change, this is probably the best phylogenetic tree I’ve seen! (Especially since people keep lumping Pokémon together by type or if they are based on Yokai). Also, what made you think ribbon worms for wobbuffet specifically? I probably would have gotten stuck on what worm it could be since there are so many “worm” phylums.
here are some questions since you wanted them! 1. why is galarian moltres placed with vullaby & skarmory? and why are these all in a clade together? 2. why did you place hawlucha near rufflet rather than near torchic? is this just a case of ancestral traits reappearing down the line? 3. which pokemon was the hardest to place? which was the easiest? (discounting mew and other such special cases) 4. why put electabuzz's line in hominidae? 5. why place sewaddle's line in hymenoptera? 6. why is alcremie a cnidarian? 7. why is the slowpoke line amphibians? also side note: i love your placement of aurorus, i don't know if it's intentional but last i heard, sauropods' placement within dinosauria is a bit unclear 😭playing it safe haha
1.) They’re all vultures and carrion birds!! You can tell by beak shape among other behavioural and physical traits! 2.) Hawlucha’s an eagle, torchic is a chicken. Just similar traits evolved completely separately, it’s called convergent evolution! 3.) DURALUDON, THAT BITCH! Still unsure what it is, so annoying. Why does its pokedex have to specifically call its cells hard that’s so frustrating! Easiest was probably any pokemon that is just an animal like seal. Aromatise and slurpuff also took a lot of research. 4.) Elekid. Elekid doesn’t have a tail, making it likely a greater ape, and I’d argue it resembles hominids more than any other. If I had to redo the chart I might put them closer to gorillas. 5.) Sewaddle is a leaf cutter ant! :D 6.) I classified Milcery as similar to an ephyra, more like one of those collective organisms that can seperate and reattach, but I actually might consider them accidentally artificial in the next version of the chart after rereading their Dex entries! 7.) Slowpoke is a giant Japanese salamander! That was the intention in their design, and their features work out for the most part!
26:38 The "You cant prove we dont lay eggs" came out of nowhere and destroyed me lmao. It sounds like something a consiracy theorist would randomly drop in an argument with no explanation as if its completely sane thing to believe. The confidence has me in agreement lol.
This was incredibly well put together, and your presentation is very entertaining! I'd love to see an expanded presentation going over more of your research, I find this sort of thing very interesting.
This is the first video I’ve seen from you and holy shit, what an insane amount of research. Instant sub, I have so much respect for people who can do research and apply science to fiction like this it’s impressive as hell. Best of luck, I hope ts pops off
@@PyrotheFlareon So hydreigon seems like a dinosaur with its shape, but it actually has fur! The presence of fur makes something a mammalalian, so we ended up putting it in the mammal section as a very early evolution of the more early evolving tetrapods. Plus, it has one brain, then metamorphosises to have two brains, and then again back fo one brain, so that was annoying to figure out lol As for the unidentified section, that was any pokemon that had such specific details in its pokedex entry that it couldn’t yet be classified until further games elaborate like Duraludon, or like Mimikyu which we just don’t have enough information on what it even looks like to get a classification
Great video Nick! I do have to critic it in 1 aspect... The huge amount of disturbing leaks from a few months ago talking about the odd relationship between man and pokemon in the early ages . Also vaporeon to never let people forget. Other than that, seriously great job
What an awesome video and chart. This topic has been on my mind for a while now! I also really like the plant/animal hybrid classification, it fits really nicely into the world of pokemon.
Errrm.... actually you put floramantis as a insect even though they're plants according to their pokedex entry. ( they camouflage themselves as insects to avoid getting eaten by them ) Btw, I know he ranked the pokemons by their body types and all. BUT !!!
Actually I do account for the lore as much as possible! I’ll 100% make this adjustment when I edit the chart after Legends Arceus, thank you for pointing this out to me!
Finally someone looking at the first form not the last. In our own evolutionary biology so many links are best seen in early development or fetuses not the adult form. We look at the nymphs, or we could be mistaking convergent evolution on type or body similarity (and yes I'm calling 1st stages nymphs)
@@Kai-tu7xw Absolutely! Just look at limb count! Four ambulatory limbs with two sharpened specialised limbs that are sharp weapons for grappling purposes, and they’re exactly where the fifth and sixth insect limb would be! They also have the same types of horn crests to many insects, and bear similarities to scyther, making them probably some kind of mantis
Amazing video! The taxonomy and biology of fictional worlds has to be my favorite kind of nerdiness. Also, I actually laughed at various points of the video, which I don't often do with RUclips anymore! I do have one (small) point of contention, though: I would argue that the Woopers aren’t axolotls. Rather, I think they are the larval stage of salamanders/newts. I say this because both Quagsire and Clodsire lost their gills when they evolved, as most salamanders/newts do in real life, with the exception of the neotenous axolotl, which, like the Mudkip line, don't. And while I know you aren’t basing identification on adult characteristics - which is fair enough (it drove me insane that the radial symmetry of sea urchins contradicted the fact they were in Bilateria until I saw their larvae, and it all made sense) - I’m pretty sure Clodsire is based on the Iberian ribbed newt, which supports them being classified as salamanders/newts and not axolotls. I know this is a silly point to make because axolotls ARE just salamanders, but pedantry is the lifeblood of science and geekiness. Also, learning that fact about Sawsbuck has convinced me that they are actually just corals which convergently-evolved to look like deer. Specifically, they are a staghorn coral (any acroporid), and the symbiotic flowers are just land-based zooxanthellae, and no one can convince me otherwise! Again, insane video, congrats!
I really thought you were a big youtuber but nope, so I had to subscribe due to the quality of this video! thanks for this great lore explanation of pokemon
To be fair, I agree with you on Whalmer and Whalord on the whole "they ARE in fact whales" topic, but I don't actually think they have teeth. I've always viewed that as Baleen that LOOKS like teeth. After all; TEETH AREN'T FLAT. But you know what might be? TONS UPON TONS OF STRANDS OF BALEEN. So that's my logic. Don't worry, the screeming my hypothesis is just a nervous tick, I'm not going insane for any reason related to memorizing the types of over 1000 animals in pokemon.
As a fellow nerd and sports fan I didn't expect the Ben roethlisberger reference the QB I watched like my whole life as a Steelers fan. And for that I'm subscribing
Thank you so much for watching the video! I hope you liked it, it was the most effort I’ve put into any video so far! Thank you truly so much for the recent support, it’s been mind blowing to see and has made me so incredibly happy and honoured. Truly, thank you.
Now where a fun Pokémon ecosystem fact I left out of the video just for the comment readers:
Minior is a filter feeding Pokémon that floats in the upper atmosphere, feeding on minerals. Because of this and their overwhelmingly large population, it’s extremely likely that Minior are the primary food source for Raqyquaza since they are the only two Pokémon known to live in the upper atmosphere (more specifically, the ozone layer)! :D
EDIT: It was pointed out my chart didn’t have any of the penguins on it, so I fixed that and put them exactly where they’d go and properly labelled them, and uploaded the fixed chart! I also fixed the placement of Fomantis/Lurantis and Milcery/Alcremie. You can download it here!
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I love your vids!!!
@@TecTonic6810 Yeah, well my videos love you too! :D
@@WinterRoseYT This implies that your videos have feelings in the real universe, but we're going to ignore that.
@@WinterRoseYTquestion can you do one on pikmin
@@aaronmc825 I’ve never played a pikmin game in my life. So, yes, yes I can lol
"This is a fish".
I see you've discovered the struggle of taxonomy.
Whales are fish
@@patrickhector aquatics mammals, that blow hole isn't for show
@@tunnelsnake420 Taxonomically, all mammals come from the lobe-finned stony fish clade, and are therefore lobe-finned stony fish (in the same way that all birds are dinosaurs).
Unless you wouldn't call lobe-finned stony fish fish, whales are fish
@@patrickhector whales are lobe-finned stony fish
@@gramfero *bony
"Have you ever seen a ghost in real life? DIDN'T FLIPPING THINK SO!!!"
This just made every psychic question their job.
This video is rlly good tho
Either they're real or I have hallucinations every once in a blue moon and I'm not sure what results in things falling or disappearing constantly lol
When a RUclipsrs voice isn’t annoying,knows how to keep your attention,talks about stuff you like, and doesn’t have millennial humor they get another subscriber
@@EliasDrakontaidis-xu6tg hell yeah, I fit at least one of those things lol
Yeah
"millennial humor"?
This video has a lot of millennial humor. What are you talking about?
I was skeptical when reading this comment. But then I got hit with
Chapter 1, and I started actually paying attention.
*that* aside, please stop with this boomer “my generation is better than your generation” bullshit.
"HOW DID YOU FIND ME?!" sounds like something a serial killer would say when having their secret base raided by law enforcement
TEAM ROCKET
@@Oliver-m2q9m ash every episode after jesse and james rip off their disguises (Comically large glasses)
25:45 That rapid descent into madness 😂 I’ve always thought humans were Pokémon as well so you’re not alone, it honestly explains a lot lore-wise
I just need to see someone hatching a human egg now. I don't see why they can't add it to the anime or even the games. Like, hatch an egg to get a human companion. Well, that would cause problems ... but it could still be added in as a quest or something.
That introduction was so good I forgot this was meant to be an evolutionary chart, and not a lore video.
@@polarknight5376 This will sound so dumb, but I straight up spent days on the intro alone because I kept rewriting and remaking it until I got it right lol I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@WinterRoseYTthere are a few things I'd like to add if you like
I think that pokemon aren't metamorphosing when they evolve, they're just growing, like that's how Pokemon grow. Charmander being a baby/child, Charmeleon is a teen and Charizard is the adult form.
I'd also like to add that some Pokemon may have... Another more sinister origin, remember the plates? They tell us that Arceus defeated some beings before creating everything, some giants, of which the identity is unclear. But the one thing the plates never tell us is if Arceus permanently stopped them (I'm actually trying to avoid the k word here). I believe that they're still there and that they're influencing the multiverse from outside. Take eternatus for example "the giant pokemon" that's his category in the Pokedex. What if those giants can split just like Arceus can? After all they're his brothers. I believe that eternatus is a small part of one of those giants, and there's strong evidence to support that the original dragon from unova is one as well.
It’s not growth, because we observe pokemon grow old and die without ever evolving! It’s far more likely an epigenetic change since it’s always through necessity in combat or an external factor! I like your theories though!
@@giulianopisciottano8302 that was scrapped from the TeraLeak
@@pikablu1 no, the giants are in the lore of the finished games, I did not talk about the teraleak. It's written on the Arceus plates
I'd argue that the pokedex shouldn't be treated as absolute truth, since some of them are clearly wrong, and of course they're written by humans that couldn't know these things for sure. Most obvious examples are the gen 8 fossils, which are fossils that were put back together wrong, and have pokedex entries that explain how these pokemon lived in ancient times when they clearly didn't actually exist.
That is an accurate statement, but in order to have any data at all in any field of study, accepting things that might not be true is mandatory. Blatantly incorrect facts are one thing, but if we were to deny every Magcargo or Raichu entry, then we have a very blurry line to draw and a lot of data to just throw out.
I think that many Pokedex entries are based on in-universe folk stories and that kind of thing
Yes, but have you considered the way I did it was funnier?
With how good the animation was and how well-spoken you were, (along with a nice voice and good humor) I had no idea you were such a small channel till you pointed it out.
I can't believe this video had under 1k views. This deserves to spread like wildfire.
You got the stuff dude.
@@taproot0619 thank you!!!! My last video exploded so I’m hoping this one does good too!
@@WinterRoseYT it was way too good not to. I pray for the RUclips algorithm to not let this masterpiece go to waste 🙏
(I'm not religious- Idk why I said that)
@@WinterRoseYTit will it definitely will
Arguably? Humans are Fighting-Type. In the Pokemon world, we have such a tenacity for fighting that we started an unknown war, monopolized leading other Pokemon into battle, and developed honed martial arts. I think those being "Stronger" is purely because of STAB, rather than being Super-Effective. There's also the Ghost-Type thing.
We have seen plenty of Ghost Moves have an impact on Humans in the anime, but I don't think there are many cases of Humans being able to affect Ghost-Types. Fighting-Type Moves can't hit Ghosts, but Ghost-Type Moves can hit Fighters. We are STILL the "Evolution Pokemon" due to how much Type variation appears with oracles, magic users, espers, and other instances of literal superpowers. But there are some semantics that make being a Normal-Type make less sense over time. Great video. Very topical.
I mostly like this theory, but with a slight caveat: some characters, such as Sabrina, are stated to have been born psychic. This could be explained easily enough, though. They're simply different "forms" of humans, similar to regional forms, that are psychic type, instead of fighting.
People with magic or superpowers could be explained in the same way, or we could say that humans are slightly similar to Eevee, with a slight chance to take on a secondary typing based on environmental factors.
@@antisocial0ne People born with powers just have egg moves
One of the coolest things was seeing that the slowpoke line was amphibians, I always thought they were mammal. Also this is actually one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on RUclips, keep going.
@@henrykrebs6367 thank you so much! Yeah, Slowpoke is based on giant Japanese salamanders!
you know the video's fantastic when it's got 100 views and 51 comments!
seriously though, the dedication you put into both these in-depth videos and silly little challenges astounds me. i'm sure you'll build up a sizable community some day!
@@pallas-and-her-pals I really hope so too, and I really really apprectiate the kind comments! :) There’s so many things I want to do WITH my community like huge charity streams and events and subathons, and challenges that let the audience get involved and help, sabotage, or compete with me….. but uh, I need an audience to do those lol One day!
Now it has 360x more views and 20x more comments
Ok but genuinely there is clearly so much work going on in this video and so much time spent deciding what to include and not include that would be interesting. As someone that struggles with limiting that scope when summarising, this is an inspiration.
I respected this video so much I wasn't going to comment my confusion about Lugia not being mentioned later but figured that my comment would boost the video in the algorithm so here you go, you deserve it!
Lugia was on the chart with the birds! I figured just showing it would be enough, but the confusion on Lugia did help engagement haha Thank you so much, your words are truly so kind
honestly this is the perfect channel to pop up for me recently, covering my fav obsessions like subnautica and pokemon, PLUS a small channel that is well made off rip is inspirational for me rn.
looking through this tree is gonna be my afternoon
You’re straight up going to make my cry :)))))) I really appreciate that, it’s truly so kind of you! I really hope you enjoyed the video!
Edit: AND ENJOY THE CHART!!!!
26:56 And if you receive that evidence, please make sure to forward it to the rest of us scientists so we can peer review it
Humans do come from eggs, tho, we just give live birth like you said, but there's still an "egg" involved in the process, I think you're allowed one cop-out after the amazing work you put into this chart and video!
There's some shark species that do the whole retain an egg in a cavity until its developed thing. I do think that had to be the precursor to live young tbh, because how can a placenta evolve if its not inside to attach. I reckon it had to be retained softshelled eggs and a mutation in the yolksac development causing a placental body to form. But I've never looked into studies on that, just educated speculation. Back to pokemon though there's no reason that the mammalian pokemon have only made that step on one branch, the human branch. I mean it was the last step for mammals in our world, and we have some mammals that do still lay eggs but produce milk etc. No reason we wouldn't have every species bar a few producing eggs in our world if that evolutionary leap had happened later on in the mammal time line
I knew 32 seconds in this video would be great, and it definitely was! I do have a few questions about your tree, if you wouldn't mind answers:
1) Why is Mawile over in the Homo Hominidae section? I'd consider it to be more closely related to the Sneasel line, especially since it's jaw is made of horns, so similarly sharp metal.
2) Why is Eevee a felidae? I figured more dog-like traits myself, maybe even fox.
3) Why Toxel/Toxtricity in amphibians? Or maybe why Salandit/Salazzle in Squamata? They're both toxic squishy reptile-looking, I'd expect them to be evolutionarily similar.
4) In general, a few of the branches seem to branch off without a classification tag or obvious reason. For example, the felidae branch goes in two directions, without much differentiation down each path. Or with Rodentia, Pawmot separates early on and Pikachu is at the end, making a closer common ancestor to Pikachu than Pawmot. Is this meaningful at all, or just needed to save on space?
1.) Mawhile was a very tough placement. I’d have to reconsider it, but I was accounting more for its purely bipedal shape and prehensile fingered hands making it a primate.
2.) Skull and paw structure indicate feline! And most of its evolutions are far more feline than vulpine or canine!
3.) So toxel is almost exclusively found near water and has many amphibious traits suggesting it’s a newt or salamnder, but salandit is interesting. It could either be a fire belly newt or a very particular lizard in Hawaii that’s mostly male. Because it’s a fire type, it can’t be partially aquatic, meaning it’s not an amphibian, which leaves me with one choice!
4.) They are meaningful! Pawmi is an alpine marmot, which did exactly that! And felidae goes in different directions based on grouped characteristics like being bipedal or having specific skull or paw structures!
Hi hi! First and foremost, thank you so much for putting this together. As an ecology enthusiast myself, I always get headaches trying to figure out the actual taxonomy for Pokémon, so seeing this right in front of me actually helps a lot that being said, I got a few questions and comments.
1. The Deino line is mammal!? What’s the reasoning behind that?
2. The Foamantis line being related to the Pawnard line is something I never thought would make so much sense
3. Moltres’ closest living relative being cramorant is arguably the funniest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ll 100% accept that into my headcannon
4. According to your chart, Hisuian Voltorb and regular voltorb aren’t even related (at least that’s what I’m getting) does that mean that this is a case of convergent evolution? Or was it so that one day created the Voltorb line and it coincidentally looked like the hisuian type?
@@moflump thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed!
1.) Fur! It has a furry body, making it a mammal! That being said, it’s also reptilian/aquatic in shape, so it must be a very very early mammal, about as early as the platypus!
2.) That’s actually a mistake on my part and will be fixed soon! I THOUGHT Fomantis was a mantis, but it’s actually a carnivorous plant PRETENDING to be a mantis! So it should be related to carnivine!
3.) One’s a heron and one’s a cormorant! That makes them the closest to each other haha
4.) So that’s actually the fun part, Hisuian Voltorb is related to apricorns, and they predate the first pokeball. Pokeballs were designed after apricorns, which is why they resemble each other. Then, in the future, according to the pokedex a pulse of energy in a factory animated a bunch of pokeballs. So, modern Voltorb is an accidental and unrelated artificial pokemon loosely based on an extinct one from the ancient past!
@@WinterRoseYT So apricorns are Pokemon? Or were Hisuian Voltorbs apricorn mimics?
I'm glad everyone else doesn't have to see how genuinely insane researching this made you sound.
I'm sure that won't be relevant to later videos you produce though.
I think at the very end everyone got an idea of what you all had to sit and listen to while I researched. It was just the last 3 minutes of the video on loop for three months
Hey@@WinterRoseYT did you know that koffing is man made, i think is is said in a pokedex
@@Kitty253-qo4vk It actually doesn't! Implication is not an overt confirmation!
25:10 Dr Doofenshmirtz: A platypus?
25:13 Dr Doofenshmirtz: PERRY THE PLATYPUS
This video, and the chart, are absolutely amazing, and its hilarious seeing things like Volcanion next to Mothim and Urshifu next to Snorlax
Snorlax is a bear and Volcanion is a bombardier beetle, so it only makes sense!
Absolutely unreal commitment, I hope this one blows up too. Happy to say I’ve been here since video 1.
You’re a real one for offering the poster file for free man, keep rolling
Thank you so much, every time I see your support it makes me happy! Hope you and everyone else enjoy the poster
Oh my god this video is amazing. This was very much worth the wait, and I love you so much for the effort put into every part of this, from the visuals and editing to your voice work and the script. Of course, that's without even mentioning how cool the chart is. Just amazing.
@@Kai-tu7xw Strsight up almost made me cry, that’s so unbelievably sweet! I feel so appreciated, thank you so much for watching! I’m so glad you enjoyed! :D
@@WinterRoseYT thank you very much for making it! I'm excited to see anything else you end up creating, too.
I've thought about this before but I always interpret the part animal part plant pokemon as symbiotes, where two strands of an evolutionary tree would effectively rejoin. I know it'd be weird, but in real life, with the mitochondrial endosymbiosis theory, two organisms somewhere in evolutionary history became one organism
and you also have Lichen, which is consist of a close association of fungi and a algae, though they are classified y their fungal component, since they have the more active role, evolutionary speaking, as they are the ones doing the dispersal and sexual reproduction. the algae reproduce too, though all inside the lichen body to replenish itself. the fungus is the one that propagates spores to new places and forms a new body, acquring new algae along the way (though they do vegetative reproduction too and there the original algal component is along for the ride).
As an actual evolutionary biologist i have to say this is a great video
9:09 This was unconfirmed by (if I remember correctly) the person who designed ditto. To be more specific they were asked in an interview if they ever heard of this theory and they said no and that "we designed all pokemon to be different and unique and not have a correlation between eachother, atleast at that time"
I think it was originally a complete coincidence, but over time the Pokemon company started leaning into it and it’s now been retconned as canon as of the Let’s Go games
I already left a comment, but I just wanted to really thank you. It's amazing what you did there.
Some question I have while looking through the tree:
- Why is Manaphy a gastropod?
- What about Rotom is the mineral? Is the orange color copper or bronze?
- What is Alcremie? Isn't it whipped cream?
- How are Tatsugiri so close to Tetrapods??
- Why is Lapras its own branch and not part of the Testudine family?
- What is Lugia?? Why is it a "Bird"?
- Why is Togepi and Spritzee so close?
- Why is Togedemaru not with all the other rhodents/Pikachu clones?
- Why is the Elekid line more huminid than the other primates? How?
Thanks in advance for the answers. You don't have to answer everything. Just answer the stuff you deem most interesting. Really thank you for this project, I'm a huge fan of such speculative phylogenetics.
@@minem9952
1.) Manaphy is a sea angel! It’s a type of sea slug!
2.) Rotom is a mollusc encased in plasma similar to a Gastropod, but using electromagnetism as a mineralusc. It uses this plasma to take control of other objects and use them as shells!
3.) I classified Milcery as an ephyra, but upon new information I believe it may have been an artificial accidental creation!
4.) Tatsugiri I believe I either classified as a lungfish, or a fish based on shape and its little inflatable lung sack, and it’s only found on land!
5.) Lapras is a plesiosaurus!
6.) Look at Spritzee and then look at Togekiss and you’ll understand.
7.) Togedemaru is a hedgehog, which aren’t rodents!
8.) Elekid lacks a tail, so it’s not a monkey! It’s gotta be a greater ape!
W for not putting the chart behind a pay wall
I have never and will never restrict culture, art, or science behind a pay wall. Art should not be hoarded by the wealthy, it should be equal access to all people :D
@@WinterRoseYTI shall remind this when you get big
Knowing Rayquaza created latinas was definitely a mental whiplash!
@@peacemaker0240 Arceus created Latinas, only a power so great could craft perfection
Technically if you go by the traditional definition of a species a group of organisms that can interbreed with each other under natural conditions and produce fertile offspring and since all egg groups are linked in some way all pokemon that can breed except manaphy and ditto are one species
Nah, we just have to consider genetics working a little wonky in the Pokemon universe. Egg groups get changed by Gamefreak all of the time, which means they’re not solid canon
9:52 I appreciate the guy also saying something. was very intriguing to listen to his thoughts about the pokemons weird birth towards existing
@@charginglaserboy92 He had something to say!🗣️
This is an amazingly well researched and in-depth video on Pokemon evolutionary history! You may not be the first to have done this, but it's really interesting to see how the same Pokemon are interpreted differently. There's so much that I have yet to look over it all, but I still have a couple of questions.
1. Why are Pineco and Forretress classified as plants when they're classification is "Bagworm" which suggests any resemblance to a pinecone is a case of camouflage, as well as other parts of the video and chart it's mentioned how some seemingly plant like Pokemon can't use Synthesis?
2. How come Kantonian Voltorb/Electrode and Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode are classified not just as entirely different species, but categorizing one as an Artificial Pokemon and the other as a natural species on the tree of life? I understand the interpretation of the Kantonian and Galarian birds as different species, but I would have thought that the appearance of a natural, plant-like Voltorb and Electrode had retconned the spontaneous appearance in Poke Ball factories as an evolutionary adaptation to live in an urban environment.
1.) Good question! I ultimately decided that despite how it’s classified, its movement and the way it doesn’t have a mouth makes it far more likely a case of the pokedex misidentifying it.
2.) Simple! According to the pokedex, Voltorb was created when a pulse of energy animated it in a pokeball factory. Hisuian Voltorb are an extinct species that previously existed before pokeballs. Pokeballs were designed after them, and then those designs got animated, so of course they’d look similar!
THIS IS REDICILOUS!!!! I watched the video to the part where you thank us for the support and from the video quality and how well everything was done I was sure you had AT LEAST a couple hundred thousand subs. I have watched multi-million subscriber channels that dont put half as much effort and love into their videos. I was genuinely outraged and I dont think I have ever seen a youtube that deserves the support more. Ive watched all your other videos and enjoyed all of them to great extend. I really hope you get the attention you deserve and that youll keep making the great stuff
THIS IS SO FUCKING KIND! What the heck, thank you so much! I really really appreciate your kind words, you have no idea how much it means to me! Thank you for the support! I hope you enjoy my future videos! :D
criminally underrated youtuber
@@boxothefemboy I’m only just getting started! :D Thank you so much!
@@WinterRoseYT you should release a physical version of the poster, i would def buy that for me and my pokemon fanatic friends
edit: no dont do that nintedo will murder you
Haha, you can just download it and print it yourself! I left a link to the png in the description! I’d never charge money for it, even if I legally could! I want all of my viewers to have equal access to printing it themselves for free :)
I love that you depicted "any living creature that is asleep" as Peter Griffin
I was expecting a fun little educational video with a pokemon mask but instead I was blessed with a very funny mental breakdown of pokemon genetics! Amazing XD
Also its nice for a episode to end where you aren't captured, imprisoned in another dimension or exploded.
Yeah I’m just kinda tired this time lol The one survivor
Amazing video ❤❤ 12:14 love the sarcastic nick ✨💅
Looking cool Joker!
this is sooooooo goooooood, I think lugia being slighted by the devs and evolutionarily unequal to ho-oh is so funny to me
I genuinely really like the idea that the entire Pokemon world as we know it is a paradox that should not exist, but somehow does. Its just such a cool concept!
Decided to take a break from my phylogeny exam studying and this is the first video I see😂 good job man
This video has actually helped me more than you know! I've always been whacking my brain for the most logical in-universe explanation regarding Pokemon, even as a kid, so I'm glad somebody was insane enough to take on that burden. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten, my brother.
Having that said, it would be interesting if you covered all the stuff in Pokemon that's still left as a mystery to this day:
- the war Lt. Surge was in.
- what was nation was Kalos fighting in X and Y.
- the dimension where dead people go to and ghost pokemon come from.
- the people from the sea that I keep hearing about (different from the ones in the Manaphy movie)
- the dimension where the Ultra Beasts come from.
- where tf did Deoxys come from.
- dimensions where the Paradox Pokemon come from.
- what country was Mew first discovered (originally South America wheb Pokemon as a franchise was starting but it's likely retconned now)
- the ancient civilizations that created Baltoy and the gang.
That's all I can think about. Will tune in next time!
discussing pokemon taxonomy with friends is truely one of lifes great joys
Icicle: "I wish not to melt" becomes an vanillite "oh i'm ice cream now AND STILL MELTING!"
You have koffing as an evolved species? I'd've figured it was a result of pollution coming to life like trubbish or grimer
No indication of that in the pokedex at least! It feels more like one of the fungi that have learned to feed off of pollutants
as someone that really loves phylogeny and pokemon this video was the thing i didn't know i needed and it was great. hope you will continue to make amazing content like this
Oh the melmetal joke got me way more than it should! Good work
7:02 This really just sums up how INSANE Pokémon gets sometimes.
19:54 I was so ready for another crazy explanation because it has 4 heads and potentially 4 brains but nope. TREE
THIS IS SO COOL! I never thought of where all the Pokémon evolved from. Thank you for granting us all the ability to watch such an amazing video.
If I had a penny for every think going through an insanity arc I saw this month I’d have two pennies.
which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice
@@WinterRoseYT was that a phineas and ferb qoute 😅
Bro, i'm really happy for the progress you have on youtube, it's just amazing to see a really good channel grow up. thanks a lot, your channel is really good quality, and the videos are really interesting.
:)))) thank you so much! I’m only just getting started!
Friendly reminder the Ditto being failed cloning attempts of Mew theory was brought up to the creators of the series and they went "That's not a thing and I've never heard of it" cause you know...they thought of Ditto first and retcons for convenience aren't a thing in Pokemon I guess.
I don't think it would be a retcon, obviously the creators aren't going to confirm a theory if it's something intentionally left unconfirmed. Pokemon makes references to fan theories with way less going on with them, like cubones calling in Kangaskhan for their SOS in Sun and Moon.
i mean they didnt put ditto in legends arceus
I would argue that they have retconned it by now... In the original Red & Blue Ditto was nowhere present in the Pokemon Mansion. It wasn't until Pokemon Yellow and FireRed Leafgreen when they started appearing there (which of course is still true all the way up to the Let's Go games).
Realizing you only had 3k (which is still insane) baffled me, this is crazy cool and passionate work man.
11:35 girl dinner
On the point on humans not laying eggs in the Pokémon canon, this doesn’t necessarily discredit them as separate from the evolutionary tree of Pokémon
Humans could just be the only species that evolved to have live birth (for some reason)
I really like the idea of people as a form of Pokémon, this was a super great video!
I could tell a lot of work went into this video, very very polished, and as other people have said disguise your small status
also
Hella awesome video
Midway through watching this video, I was shocked to see how few people have both seen it and subscribed to your channel. The degree of effort and quality in this video is amazing. I'll probably be gushing about it for days.
That’s so unbelievably kind, thank you so much! I’m so glad you enjoyed it!
I'm glad that there's still gonna be a Pokémon Evolutionary Tree on RUclips now that Bird Keeper Toby stopped doing his, this is great!
@@thenerdyonekingofnerds873 I saw his videos while researching for mine a couple months ago! I’m going from a more technical scientific basis than his, but I really liked the entertainment value of his!
This is an excellent video! Which is why I'm sorry for the incoming short rant:
I would have taken Dex Entries with a grain of salt. Many Pokedex Entries have this thing of not having actual evidence that proves their veracity, and many more that are outright wrong. One of the best examples are "Charmander die if their tail flame is extinguished" and "Cubone wears the skull of its dead parent."
The first one could be a mix-up between correlation and causality; after finding a dead Charmander with a snuffed out tail, someone concluded that the flame going out was the Cause of Death, when the tail going out could just be an indicator of death. In the end, there's no empirical evidence to support this claim, but Occam's Razor begets us to lean towards the latter interpretation.
Moving on to the second one, whenever you hatch a Cubone Egg, it is born with its skull helmet, without needing to find a discarded cranium for it to wear (specially not its parent's, who doesn't die). This directly disproves the information given in the Pokedex Entry.
Speaking of Eggs, many pokemon are born from eggs, _including Ghost-Type Pokemon,_ the birth of which doesn't punctuate the death of another being (if you hatch a thousand Yamask Eggs, are you killing thousands of strangers?). Gengar, Houndstone, Treavanant can also eat and "Visit the Daycare," meaning their status as "dead" beings is questionable at best.
Point is, The Pokedex is plagued with myths and speculation (don't get me started with the 'imaginatively dark' way some of them are written), enough to require a more careful and skeptic look on its data.
It is my hope this could be a chance for a more insightful discussion on the topic.
I have never been this invested in Pokémon
I love how it doesn't even take thirty seconds for him to go "god is real, and he has forsaken us" in a cheery tone. This is gonna be a wild ride
Edit: It was, indeed, a wild ride
I'm glad to be here before you go big!
@@Moon_Light7474 I consider 3000 people pretty big already! That’s like a full small concert!
@@WinterRoseYT This is just the base of the mountain! Keep on climbing!
@@Moon_Light7474 Well, thank you very much haha I’ll keep climbing!
The Porygon line is THE paradox Pokemon. We love the bootstrap paradox.
Great job on this! I love seeing people’s interpretations on the Pokémon phylogenetic tree. (And I like how you created new branches to fit the mineral ish and plant ish Pokémon!) however, I do have one question: why is pyukumuku, wobbuffett, and wynaut in the “Nemertia” category? I thought that pyukumuku would be better as an echinoderm since it is probably based on a sea cucumber (hence “innards out”), and I can maybe see wobbuffet being a ribbon worm if the tail is the worm itself.
Ribbon worm indeed! The tail IS the real pokemon, when ditto changes into it the ditto face replaces the face on the tail, not the “body”
Interesting! Never would have thought any Pokémon would be a ribbon worm, let alone one of the oldest ones! Wait, that means wobbuffett has a proboscis… oh god.
Now wobbuffet makes sense, but where does pyukumuku fit if it is probably based on a sea cucumber?
Sea cucumbers just don’t have the complexity pyukumuku can expel from the mouth. An argument could be made for both
Ok, thanks for clearing it up! I will say if I get the tree as a physical poster, I might make a note that pyukumuku could be a ribbon worm or a sea cucumber. Despite that minor change, this is probably the best phylogenetic tree I’ve seen! (Especially since people keep lumping Pokémon together by type or if they are based on Yokai).
Also, what made you think ribbon worms for wobbuffet specifically? I probably would have gotten stuck on what worm it could be since there are so many “worm” phylums.
I have been wondering about the pokemon genetic line for YEARS so thank you
Edit: i think i have a new favorite poketuber
Sadly I’m not a poketuber! I do variety content, but I’m glad you enjoyed!
@WinterRoseYT oh well I'm glad that some changes do multiple types of videos
Dammit i was gonna make this...but with far less effort and cohesiveness... You deserve all the credit ya get, and well done
here are some questions since you wanted them!
1. why is galarian moltres placed with vullaby & skarmory? and why are these all in a clade together?
2. why did you place hawlucha near rufflet rather than near torchic? is this just a case of ancestral traits reappearing down the line?
3. which pokemon was the hardest to place? which was the easiest? (discounting mew and other such special cases)
4. why put electabuzz's line in hominidae?
5. why place sewaddle's line in hymenoptera?
6. why is alcremie a cnidarian?
7. why is the slowpoke line amphibians?
also side note: i love your placement of aurorus, i don't know if it's intentional but last i heard, sauropods' placement within dinosauria is a bit unclear 😭playing it safe haha
1.) They’re all vultures and carrion birds!! You can tell by beak shape among other behavioural and physical traits!
2.) Hawlucha’s an eagle, torchic is a chicken. Just similar traits evolved completely separately, it’s called convergent evolution!
3.) DURALUDON, THAT BITCH! Still unsure what it is, so annoying. Why does its pokedex have to specifically call its cells hard that’s so frustrating! Easiest was probably any pokemon that is just an animal like seal. Aromatise and slurpuff also took a lot of research.
4.) Elekid. Elekid doesn’t have a tail, making it likely a greater ape, and I’d argue it resembles hominids more than any other. If I had to redo the chart I might put them closer to gorillas.
5.) Sewaddle is a leaf cutter ant! :D
6.) I classified Milcery as similar to an ephyra, more like one of those collective organisms that can seperate and reattach, but I actually might consider them accidentally artificial in the next version of the chart after rereading their Dex entries!
7.) Slowpoke is a giant Japanese salamander! That was the intention in their design, and their features work out for the most part!
And yes, I was very intentional with Aurorus, I had quite a few rewrites for the dinosaurs
Damn that chart is true dedication to the craft. I really hope this Video is blessed by the algorithm
@@Colchicum-autumnale I hope so too haha And thank you! I put my everything into everything I make, so I’m glad you like the chart!
"You can't prove we don't lay eggs!" - A man cut straight from the scientific cloth
Your style reminds me a lot of BDG. Good stuff!
Love BDG, great guy and great content creator! Thank you so much!
i'm actually so glad i found your channel- youtube was lowkey making me snooze but your videos are so unique and creative
:.) I’m honoured! I have many more creative ideas to do!
Oh! And if you like me, you’d love Polygon/BDG’s Unraveled series or videos by Any Austin!
25:05 it was pretty neat to use a common platypus to compare to Psyduck, but why did you suddenly change it to Perry the...
Oh... OOOOOHHH...
26:38 The "You cant prove we dont lay eggs" came out of nowhere and destroyed me lmao. It sounds like something a consiracy theorist would randomly drop in an argument with no explanation as if its completely sane thing to believe. The confidence has me in agreement lol.
Okay now I need to know where is oshawott's line and it's close relatives.
It’s an otter! So it’s with the other mustelids!
This was incredibly well put together, and your presentation is very entertaining! I'd love to see an expanded presentation going over more of your research, I find this sort of thing very interesting.
Half an hour talking about fictional creature biology for nerds? Absolutely, let me get another cup of coffee!
This is the first video I’ve seen from you and holy shit, what an insane amount of research. Instant sub, I have so much respect for people who can do research and apply science to fiction like this it’s impressive as hell. Best of luck, I hope ts pops off
Thank you! I love applying way too much effort and intelligence to wildly silly concepts lol
We spent way to long on hydreigon for you to not bring it up in the video >:(
@@kennethcollette8949 I’ll be real, completely forgot. Hopefully somebody asks, I also forgot to include the unidentified section
@@WinterRoseYT Hey, what's up with Hydreigon and the unidentified section?
@@PyrotheFlareonI too am curious about hydreigon
@@PyrotheFlareon So hydreigon seems like a dinosaur with its shape, but it actually has fur! The presence of fur makes something a mammalalian, so we ended up putting it in the mammal section as a very early evolution of the more early evolving tetrapods.
Plus, it has one brain, then metamorphosises to have two brains, and then again back fo one brain, so that was annoying to figure out lol
As for the unidentified section, that was any pokemon that had such specific details in its pokedex entry that it couldn’t yet be classified until further games elaborate like Duraludon, or like Mimikyu which we just don’t have enough information on what it even looks like to get a classification
@@MarkTheGun refer to my reply above this friend!
Great video Nick!
I do have to critic it in 1 aspect... The huge amount of disturbing leaks from a few months ago talking about the odd relationship between man and pokemon in the early ages . Also vaporeon to never let people forget.
Other than that, seriously great job
26:57 I notice a pattern with these examples
NO YOU DONT SHUT UP
What an awesome video and chart. This topic has been on my mind for a while now! I also really like the plant/animal hybrid classification, it fits really nicely into the world of pokemon.
Errrm.... actually you put floramantis as a insect even though they're plants according to their pokedex entry. ( they camouflage themselves as insects to avoid getting eaten by them )
Btw, I know he ranked the pokemons by their body types and all.
BUT !!!
Actually I do account for the lore as much as possible! I’ll 100% make this adjustment when I edit the chart after Legends Arceus, thank you for pointing this out to me!
Finally someone looking at the first form not the last. In our own evolutionary biology so many links are best seen in early development or fetuses not the adult form. We look at the nymphs, or we could be mistaking convergent evolution on type or body similarity (and yes I'm calling 1st stages nymphs)
Arceus is a myth! No matter how far you go forwards or backwards, it always comes back to Shuckle.
Humans being Pokémon means that Gun is a canon move. Brilliant.
Now, I gotta ask. The Pawniard line is an insect!?
@@Kai-tu7xw Absolutely! Just look at limb count! Four ambulatory limbs with two sharpened specialised limbs that are sharp weapons for grappling purposes, and they’re exactly where the fifth and sixth insect limb would be! They also have the same types of horn crests to many insects, and bear similarities to scyther, making them probably some kind of mantis
@@WinterRoseYT oh my god, that makes so much sense
Bulbapedia used to call them beetles because of their armor and crest
Amazing video! The taxonomy and biology of fictional worlds has to be my favorite kind of nerdiness. Also, I actually laughed at various points of the video, which I don't often do with RUclips anymore! I do have one (small) point of contention, though: I would argue that the Woopers aren’t axolotls. Rather, I think they are the larval stage of salamanders/newts. I say this because both Quagsire and Clodsire lost their gills when they evolved, as most salamanders/newts do in real life, with the exception of the neotenous axolotl, which, like the Mudkip line, don't.
And while I know you aren’t basing identification on adult characteristics - which is fair enough (it drove me insane that the radial symmetry of sea urchins contradicted the fact they were in Bilateria until I saw their larvae, and it all made sense) - I’m pretty sure Clodsire is based on the Iberian ribbed newt, which supports them being classified as salamanders/newts and not axolotls. I know this is a silly point to make because axolotls ARE just salamanders, but pedantry is the lifeblood of science and geekiness.
Also, learning that fact about Sawsbuck has convinced me that they are actually just corals which convergently-evolved to look like deer. Specifically, they are a staghorn coral (any acroporid), and the symbiotic flowers are just land-based zooxanthellae, and no one can convince me otherwise! Again, insane video, congrats!
When I rewrite the chart for Legends Z-A I’ll consider this for sure! Thank you for all of the tips and advice!
Hell, we came from hell
Real
I really thought you were a big youtuber but nope, so I had to subscribe due to the quality of this video! thanks for this great lore explanation of pokemon
3:46 that is very ugly.
@@charginglaserboy92 I’m glad you agree lol Enamorus is such a terrible design
6:51 i gasped. There was a whole lot of gasping from over here
I understand non of this good video though
@@Yourgamertag141 LMAO, best comment
27:04 His character reminds me
of Jax from The Digital Circus!
Now we compare it to bird keeper Tobi's tree of life and debate the differences. Good job class!
"Only Pokémon that can Transform like Mew"
Smeargle: Hold my brush.
To be fair, I agree with you on Whalmer and Whalord on the whole "they ARE in fact whales" topic, but I don't actually think they have teeth. I've always viewed that as Baleen that LOOKS like teeth. After all; TEETH AREN'T FLAT. But you know what might be? TONS UPON TONS OF STRANDS OF BALEEN.
So that's my logic. Don't worry, the screeming my hypothesis is just a nervous tick, I'm not going insane for any reason related to memorizing the types of over 1000 animals in pokemon.
Your madness is welcomed here, madness is my home
I'm a environmental educator and LOVE evolutionary biology, sp I'm obsessed with this!
That’s amazing. I love that!
As a fellow nerd and sports fan I didn't expect the Ben roethlisberger reference the QB I watched like my whole life as a Steelers fan. And for that I'm subscribing