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Have you noticed this trend? Cringeworthy writing in video games and TV shows. Is it because it's written by millennials? or for millennials?
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Note: Charges made against Justin Roiland were dropped.
Respect. ✌
Gonna talk about the incredibly believable grooming allegations next?
Dang it
that's not why he ended up canceled because he's a groomer
Justin roiland could be a groomer but why only cancel him why not also cancel all the trans kids activist and drag queen that read books to children while showing off their balls
The perfect examples of "safe-edgy". They'll mention wage-slavery, but stop before they offend their producers
Yes, they should starve to prove a point I guess.
@@yavvivvay If they starved outside of their own 'wellness induced choice' they wouldn't be writing stuff like this because they'd have at least some lived context of suffering. They have none, so microgressions become a human rights violation.
@@vladthedragon8250 there is no hierarchy to suffering. Of course given that, there is a certain hierarchy of needs blocking each other. If you have issues in the lower needs you will think the level above is silly and ridiculous... until you get there.
@@yavvivvay There definitely is a hierarchy of suffering. It's the very definition between a need and a want and the consequence of being deprived of it. Contrast is what gives things their definition, without a low end contrast and with the high end being so stable it's invisible you get progressives.
@@vladthedragon8250 well I don't think there is as i mostly agree with Edith Eger who spoke about her suffering in the concentration camps not being more worth or worse than the suffering her patients experienced.
Moreover, people who literally have issues with getting food are sometimes the most optimistic and content individuals you can imagine - as suffering is complex and escapes easy definitions. But to each their own I guess.
IMHO the problem is the writers write about percieved suffering of others, not their own. There are many well written stories about depression or discrimination out there. There are also books about experience of others that work really well - you just need to let them speak and pull your ego out.
What I see in modern writing is mostly the unicorn upbringing of "you can be whatever you want" morphed into ego of "I never make mistakes" and "any criticismy of my writing is attack on the people who my agenda supports". The criticism then becomes an attack on your tribe, as you setup defenses of class/minority/identity around your work, unwilling to accept it might just be bad. Because when your work is good (Dead space remake) nothing of that matters that much, only fringe haters from both sides will blow up over it.
The two rules of millennial writing:
1. The author is annoying
2. The writing is about themselves
I'm a Millenial but I don't claim these and Mindy Kaling
And there has to be a character with the shaved side swept to the other side style. For some reason it has to be included as if its something very important
@@MollyHJohns she is gen x
@@cold_static she's a gen x
@@redwaytoo Found the fragile millenial xD
The phrase “Is this adulting?” Is the perfect example of this and pretty much encapsulates their entire existence.
the people that say that are also always like in their 30's too
the average millennials' brain stopped developing by the time they graduated high school
Damn, bud. You sound exactly like a millennial complaining about boomers.
Weird, huh?
@@AnimusBehemoth"Only one group of people can be terrible at a time."
@@TaRAAASHBAGS funny how it always happens to be the generation older than yours, eh?
Im not judging anyone for it, just can’t help pointing out that it happens every generation.
@@AnimusBehemothEvery generation has its dumb quirks and downfalls, so, yeah, it’s always going to happen. The previous and newest generation will be considered obnoxious in some way, and so will that generation too. Because it’s all true. Never won’t be something to mock and complain about for people.
The "Problematic Accent" joke really pissed me off. Some people actually talk like that.
That was the worse line in the video
Italians are problematic now
I'm sorry, but could you refrain from using language that may insult victims of beingbornwithoutabladderitis in the future? Saying 'pissed off' is like the N-word for the Non-Bladdered People.
AY PWAULIE LOOK AT THIS FOCKEN GUY!!!!!
@@lonemaster9290 wassup pissed off
I love it when people known for mindlessly toxic consumerism make vague jabs at capitalism.
Pure irony.
Ong bruh. These peoples consumerims makes andrew tate look like Confucius.
I knew this guy, who kept doing the same twitter-speak shit about capitalism almost all the time after watching Hasan.
I said the military kinda has its own socialist economy going if u think abt it with their own in house barber shops and hospitals and stuff.
This motherfucker deadass said (copypasted):
"Thats not socialism. Socialism is classless, money-less society!
Capitalism isn't when you use money! Capitalism is low pay, exploitative labor, and no unions!!!!!"
Idk if this brainlet realizes that his description of capitalism applies to the USSR.
Ion hate the dude, but he was a massive Elon Musk meatrider before Elon Musk started talking bad about democrats.
Then he immediately switched his tone, and called him a capitalist grifter lmfao.
Pretty much.
It makes me groan every time.
You see if you make jabs at a vague system, you are free to make unethical consumption choices to your hearts content
this writing style just screams ''im 36 and i never grew up after high school''
i forgot to add, i am younger than 36 and when i was a teen, i already avoided games like borderlands for having dialogue like this. i think mentioning even high school in the above sentence is too much of a compliment
Being younger than 28, I can also attest these millennials talk like this too. Untalkative aspies like me stick out
Because they peaked in high-school.
An average millennial
@@EplusNis4ever you missed out, BL2 was so much fun
Ive recently heard the term "safe-edgy" and i think that's common now.
Why do i feel like they're two opposites
"Safe and edgy"
@@mohannadalshamrani199gmailIts people who are fine with making fun of white nationalities but not brown people basically
Those, don't even go together. How does that work???
@@BLKKNGofficial I.. don't really know. I'd say it means only being moderately edgy?
@@mhmtakeyatime9000 so like...Shrek maybe? Or shadow the hedgehog
"Erm. Okay. THAT just happened. Lets unpack this. (Insert meme/reference that either died 6 months ago or will die in 2 weeks here)"
I cannot wait for the day zoomerspeak and zoomer culture is mocked just like millennial shit is.
Yikes 100 Keanu Chungus Le Heckin Cuckolderino
"lets unpack this"
"hope this helps"
"that's gonna be a big yikes from me dawg"
"ok sweetie"
Six months?
Try six years.
''jesse what the hell are you talking about''
There's a small moment in GTA IV that is the anathema to the millenial idea of "trauma". When going out on a date with Michelle, she might ocasionally speak about Mallorie, saying she is poor, to which Niko coldly responds "You people don't know what poor is".
GTA IV was something else.
The American Millenial conception of poverty seems to be “has some form of stress or mental burden due to lack of infinite resources”.
@@deriznohappehquite I mean, not really, I think it’s just more so just stress. And what do you mean not having infinite resources?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 like "having to get a job to affort living" as opposed to just having essentially unlimited funds to live and do whatever you feel like, like when you live at your parents place.
Thats what a lot of the, quite frankly really retarded, "anti-capitalism" thing boils down to for these people "i have to work but i dont want to work"
Modern poverty for americans seems to be that they can't afford the last iPhone Pro Max or whatever.
Politics in Metal Gear Solid: "The military industrial complex is a disaster for human rights, and one of the worst things to happen to the world. War is horrendous, and it's being marketed as a good thing"
Politics in Millennial games from multi-billion dollar corporations: "Capitalism is bad, and racism is bad" *features a microtransaction shop, a literal token black character, and a season pass in a single player game*
Exactly my gripe with "modern" games.
Perfectly said.👍
There’s a good tumblr post about Kojima that he created a brilliant series to comment on the horrors of war but ended up making everything look super cool as well because he has the mind of a 12 year old boy who thinks guns are cool
@@Dogy0909 That's the cognitive dissonance of the videogame media. It's fun to virtually point and shoot, unfortunately. I wouldn't put too much blame on that, however the symbolic/subconscious effect it has on people who play games is a bad thing - that's why the military industrial complex loves CoD. If I were a gamedev like him I think I simply wouldn't make games that involve shooting people, but that's a way to solve the issue.
Hot take: Kojima is a bad writer. There are certainly parts of each MGS where the writing really shines, but if you step back from the highlights and look at the games as a whole they are a needlessly convoluted mess filled with hours of exposition dumping. Kojima is certainly creative, no one can deny that, but the man is in desperate need of an editor and may be the victim of his own success in that regard.
Ironic that the generation that continuously complains about how self centered baby boomers are is seemingly incapable of writing a character that isn't exactly like them
All of the good games released lately were written by millennials. Borderlands and tumblr writers just suck.
@@HydratedBeansbeing in that generation doesn't make you "millennial" anymore.
You can be sane and born in the era, without being a "millennial" prick.
I'm a millennial, but my lazy self-centered useless neighbors are "millennials", you get it?
@@HydratedBeansLike what games specifically?
@@Bomberman66Hell most good and bad games released since roughly 2012 were written by millennials. That’s when we started making up the bulk of the workforce
@@HydratedBeans This video just cherrypicks bad AAA titles and uses it as an excuse to complain about 72+ million people, for some reason.
i think the lack of sincerity comes from fear of being judged by the internet. it's easier to handle someone shitting on your bad jokes than shitting on something you truly believe in.
Make white man bad, make woman/POC good = social media claps
Good point. That might be why so many people just regurgitate memes. It is much easier to accept crickets when the joke wasn't a product of your actual wit
Daaamn, reminds me of Sam Hyde when he actually spoke about the very same thing, about a teen rapper that 'joke-rapped half the way because he was afraid of being authentic and be mocked, so it's easier to produce parody gargabe that you can excuse of any criticism'
As an unpublished writer, that is an honest fear of mine. Not the kind that stops me dead in my tracks, mind, but it's definitely caused some real anxiety. "What if this thing I've poured my heart and soul into just goes completely unnoticed," says the voice in my head that makes me lock up at my keyboard. "Or worse, what if it's just reviled? What if I become the next fodder dummy for the Rant-sona hordes and the video essayists? What if my first failure is so catastrophic that it's also my last?"
It's kind of scary, watching the critic world tear apart people like E.L. James and Stephanie Meyer and the like, and all too easy to think, "well surely MY work is better than that". But is it really? Would I recognize if it wasn't? I'd like to think so, but I imagine so did the ones that got tossed into the wood chipper before me, and it sure didn't save them.
I'm not opposed at all to criticism; it's a necessary tool for the improvement of any art, but social media is in a place right now where a creator's reputation of quality can vacillate between champion of their craft and incompetent, untouchable wretch at the drop of a hat. I guess what I'm saying is that the peanut gallery isn't throwing peanuts anymore, they're chucking white phosphorus grenades that burn the words "fell off" out of your fucking ashes, and it makes amateurs like me and mine that much more anxious to step into the spotlight with anything we don't know will please the crowd or not.
The marvel cinematic universe and its consequences has been a disaster for the writing race
Snowplows and colon cancer have been a savior to the film industry
I miss old marvel movies man, they were better.
@@MarkMightBeBetter Same. Superhero movies should've never evolved from being a cheesy, aesthetically charming package filled with action for an hour and a half. Now you get this POG MULTIVERSE 🤓😲 crap with REFERENCES and MEMES and a lot of shitty lore that only exists to bait into sequels and spin-offs.
There are so many marvel movies they’ve told every single type of bad joke once.
It’s just new cringe, simpsons did it frist kind of argument said by people who don’t know how to write.
@@TNDTKDTTDWhat’s the context for this?
1. Pop culture references
2. Characters that just won't shut up
3. Forced humor every 5 seconds
4. Everything is a "critique" of something
5. Cartoonish black and white morality
The 5 Pillars of Millennialism. Also everything needs to be loud for no reason.
As A millennial I agree, that is what some of the most loudest Millennials in the America think.
i like bocchi too :) AND your mockery of milenials as well
6.everything is toxo/phobic/blematic/soginistic and the author's massive ego si the solution
7.criticism toward the author's ego is rape-speech and toxoblematic and you shoud DO BETTER
8.any form of criticism is "acktualley *snort*🤓🤓🤓" bc you're speaking from your internalized ______phobia/giny/ism therefore your opinion is invalid (proceeds to seek validation in redditwitter...and to dogpile the critic)
Millennial writers are chronically afraid of silence and letting people come to their own conclusions
My millennial sibling mentioned there’s also a “millennial stare” scene a lot
Reminds me of yiik
a lot of this kind of humor (the made-up words, the playground insults mixed with swearing, the sarcasm, etc) was very popular on tumblr from around 2010-2016, when a lot of millennials would have been active on the site. combine the "tumblr residue" with the fact that they have to be ~cool and marketable~ and you get a lot of humor like this
I’ve noticed culture catering more and more to the infantilization of people.
Most mainstream media is so safe and feels like it’s made for literal children. This goes for AAA video games, movies/shows, even music has become simple as hell.
yeah 100%
yeah, everyone has become oversensitive, thats why. everything is scandalous now, you cant have a serious conversation about serious topics without being called names. @@DSPsWifesBf
It's the kind of humour that DSMP and HLVRAI fans have and I can't express how much I despise it. The aesthetic artists too, yk the ones. The ones who tween at 5FPS with a super desaturated pastel colour palette. Every one of these people talks and acts the exact fucking same there is absolutely no individuality. The neopronoun TikTok people, too. I don't understand how these people can all act the exact same and not feel ashamed. YOU don't have a damn identity. You're just mimicking what others say. How do you not feel embarrassed? All the same opinions and tastes. These people consume the same exact media too and love the same RUclipsrs. They latch onto trends and immediately adopt new bullshit lingo. "I'm a blurry fragment with somewhat of a name and personality /pos" "i'm stimming so hard rn,,," "WAAAAA EATZ !!! /pos /th" "omg ur stinky /hj" THEY ALL ACT QND TALK TH3 3XACT SAME I HWTE THEM
I DONT CARE TAHT THIS IS OFF TOPIC NOW I HATE THESE QUIRKY ASS KIDS WHO ACT THE EXACT SAME AND REPEATEDLY SPEW THE SAME TIRED QUIRKY BULLSHIT
The tumblr exodus is what caused this, if tumblr didn’t ban adult content this would have never happened or happened on a smaller scale
"erm, morty, God is dead morty, the government is bad morty, *burp* people are never good morty, it's always for money morty. I'm so much smarter than anyone morty and I hate myself" they think themselves smarter than anyone, but still feel they aren't fully recognized for it. They're victims of someone who's stopping them from a potential they don't even know about
We need more media that showcases hope and showing people who, even as their struggles drag them down, they still do it because either it's the right thing, or because they know someone is counting on them. We need more heroes who do things for others, not just themselves.
Nowadays, we're getting nihilistic, narcissistic jerks who can't shut up and are more interested in their own self-interests.
it’s because they see themselves as more sophisticated and less simpleminded than their boomer parents, but exactly like those parents they just regurgitate the consensus of their generation…
boomers are always saying some bs about “the new generation is soft” and millenials are always saying some bs about late stage capitalism and developmental trauma
to quote warren spector (director of deus ex) about politics in video games:
“Some years ago, I gave a talk at The New School in New York and afterwards did something I never do - went out for drinks with folks who’d been in the audience. At the bar, one of them sat down next to me (he was a little drunk) and asked ‘how could you make that right-wing piece of propaganda?’. Before I could answer, another guy walked up and, having overheard, said ‘right-wing propaganda? It was left-wing from start to finish!” The fact is, they were both right I guess, based on how they’d played. I was really tickled by that.”
Its almost depressing what some people consider "left wing" or "right wing" these days.
@@Don-ds3dy to me it’s even more depressing that people consider these terms insults in and of themselves. They are two sides of the political coin. There is evil on both sides but most people on either spectrum of belief are not extremists at all
@Antonio Gramsci yes because societies on the right are the only societies to utilize segregation…are you kidding me? And America invented slavery too, right?
@Antonio Gramsci Jesus Christ, shut up.
@Antonio Gramsci >Guy who has never had a genuine conversation with a conservative in their life.
"Write what you know" works best when people actually know things
lol
Then I dread the time when Gen Z humor is prévalant
Yeah all the old writers who tossed out that advice presumed people would live lives of struggle and meaning, not basically do nothing but look at social media all day. They really could not have foreseen just how dark the future ended up.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Another "social media bad" comment 😒
I genuinely loathe these hack writers.
My favorite part is when you meet these people IRL who always complain about stuff like "Late Stage Capitalism" they are often the most consumer-driven, brand loyal, product obsessed individuals of the bunch. Yes, I'd love to hear the opinions on how "awful capitalism is" from a guy who's room is plastered with Star Wars products from wall to wall!
It's worse than that. Its people who try to gauge other's moral worth by the products they consume.
"Star wars" I fucking hate Disney for what they did to that IP.
i was a watered down infantilized version of the DUNE saga from the start anyways. @@silverprimus321boi9
Then they bring up the usual strawman of "you want to change society yet you live in one".
conflating consoomer soyboys with far leftists is like conflating maga boomers with groypers. most marxists i know can't afford merch outside of pride flags and posters for an anime that ended 30 years ago
I swear to god all of this can be traced back to the tumblr exodus during the mid-late 2010's, it feels like since all the horrible writers and cringy, aggressive, condescending and overly political people of tumblr left and infested the rest of the internet, this kind of stuff has become really commonplace.
And now because it's spread so far more people began to adopt the same mannerisms. This stuff used to be ripped on in like 2014-2015 because it was so awful, I remember! it was actively mocked because it was just CRINGE. But now it's become commonplace and inescapable. It's tragic
Exactly, People used to make fun of these people for a good reason. Now look at the state of everything since they have gotten power over the internet. The quality of everything has gone down and people just want to lie and say that it hasn't
Nowadays making fun of those types of people is seen as "cringe" When they deserve it for the hypocritical and horrible things they want to do. its tragic to see almost every youtuber who used to stand against this shit suddenly change and promote the ideology of the people who they used to make fun of. They say its "maturity" But their is nothing mature about being a professional victim and treating everyone around you like shit.
I'm convinced the porn ban and resulting Tumblr exodus was done for the express purpose of spreading that hivemind across the internet. Looking back now it felt way too calculated of an event. 5 years ago nobody except the most echo chambered and terminally online weirdos cared about pronouns. Now it's suddenly mainstream to the point where people have their lives ruined for not getting some manchild's made up gender identity correct? When NOBODY gave a crap about this sort of thing in human history before? Nah, something is up
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778it certainly doesn’t help that a lot of the people calling each other out are functionally the same, as in: equally full of it in their own way.
Just like the "revolutionary" boomer hippies have gotten into managerial positions of every aspect of our society after them done being edgy. Their losers kids, the millennials, now have to take the baton.
I believe tumblr is also where the whole MAP/NoMAP bullshit started where a bunch of p3dos started forming communities and gave themselves a new branding to appear harmless and sane
I love the Tweet that goes “all art is inherently political”, with the top reply being “what is the political message behind fat Pikachu?”
@@whatev2453or that the lack of any immediate message is a sign that you support the status quo
It’s fat shaming duh, and it’s highly problematic
uhmmm the yellow pikachu actually represents the hyperinflation experienced in western montenegro around the turn of the 90's. but i would expect a FASCIST like you to know about it
If it doesn't have a political message then it's not art. Pretty simple, huh
It is a deep introspective look into the modern american life style and their over consumpsion of sugar and alcohol while living a sedentary life style causing most of the health problems, mental and physical, for everyone big and small. Yet it is being pushed under the rug as to not shame anyone... or something like that.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.
- C.S Lewis
Always loved that quote, it's spot on.
lmao, wise quote but that guy still contradicted himself
@@spoovyfrog3393 in this context, "critics" is not the creator itself, but it is for the part of the video which describes the millennials, twitter users etc. in the need to feel like they're grown up. I may have misunderstood your point but that is my answer to the statement if any. did you mean that C.S Lewis contradicted himself? shreddednerd or I?
@@spoovyfrog3393Uh how? There wasn’t anything contradictory in what he was saying. If you constantly act like something being “adult” is cool then you reveal yourself to be rather childish. It’s along the same lines of logic as: “If a man must say I am king, then he is no king at all.”
@The Duke of Chutney I think the contradiction would be that the purpose of the statement is to criticise the critics for being childish. Which, by his own logic, implies his childishness.
I think a big underlying facet of Millennial writing is that it can’t just let something be outlandish or weird and leave it at that.
As much as people meme about “Le quirky EarthBound inspired RPG” (and for good reason) EarthBound is actually a pretty good example of having an inherently wacky, tongue-in-cheek world that still feels grounded and sincere.
The Millennial writer’s idea of EarthBound would have Ness going “Erm… I’m fighting a SENTIENT PILE OF HECKIN’ BARF? AWKWARD!” And shit every time something out of the ordinary happens
Undertale moment.
Same is true of his little dig at Whedon (and Tiny Tina, for that matter). For all the hack writers at Marvel have driven their misshapen Frankenstein's monster of his quippy dialogue style into the ground so hard it's cored through the Earth and come out the other side, the man himself did it _right._
There's a damn good reason Buffy, Angel, Firefly and even the first Avengers are so beloved among nerds, and it's not simply because that style of writing was still novel enough to be acceptable at the time they were produced. It's because Whedon was a good enough writer to understand when a joke to break the tension was beneficial to a scene and when he needed to let things remain dramatic.
@@shiba2ndworlder I think undertale and actually was really fun and good in 2015, but with how our world has changed and how much people have copied undertale it's kinda eh now
'I just used magic powers with my freaking mind!"
1) They think their audience is too stupid to understand their creations on their own. "If I don't explain WHY this is so clever... they might miss my genius! Or worse... they'll interpret it in a way I don't want them to!"
2) Their addiction to consumption requires them to over-explain everything. It's why everything from Five Nights at Freddy's to Lethal Company is full of """lore.""" They can't let anything be its own work; it needs to be ever-expanding and a franchise they can become obsessed with. It used to be we'd have church and the Bible to be our realms of retreat and wonder, now it's debating Star Wars battle anthology or which Primarch is the best kisser.
it's not mainly because of twitter. it's as you said, these writers come from coastal elite backgrounds, out of touch with everyday people
That and if they actually portray people even remotely realistically there would probably be some outrage.
Ridiculous. They just don't know how to write, has nothing to do with what part of the country they're from. 🙄
@@Frithonor agreed. There are obnoxious types everywhere. It does seem to be like a lot are in California, but that’s probably because California is such a populated area.
pfff really?
But “twitter-speak” still plays a huge part in it. It is debatable whether or not it is the main reason, yet without a doubt twitter plays an important role in altering the vocabulary of a lot of users who spend way too much time there. That’s not unique to twitter either, but the blend of words and the general writing style adhered to in that website is just insufferable.
"They're not saying it because they think they have something to say, but because they think they have to say something."
That's such a great way to put it.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" -Qui Gon Jinn
See, an ACTUAL wise pop reference.
in high school i had a friend who dealt with autism and i noticed he was starting to think the same way. had to let him know that not everything that happens online needs your opinion to be put out there. if you dont have anything to say, dont force it because youre "obligated" to talk about issues, youre not obligated
Exactly! That’s exactly it! Cause that’s how School tells you to write.
@@makutas-v261 "You are made of stupid." - that one guy from command and conquer
Plato: “Wise man talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”
This generation is like what Monsters Inc would look like if the monsters all had to mine cringe to power their infrastructure instead of screams.
Holy shit, lmaoooo!
Made me lol
Pretty sure that actually happened. That's what John "Hugs Not Drugs!" Lasseter was warning us about in _Monsters, Inc.._ But we didn't listen, and now we're paying the price.
"This one's not giving us any juice!"
"Don't destroy the door, get him a twitter account!"
If they had to harness cringe then the Monsters Inc universe would be a utopia.
Joss Whedon ruined a generation.
Buffy was good.
@@WednesdayFin86Buffy sounds so funny, haha!
by the looks of it, it's more like he left his parting words which the next generation interpreted in the worst way possible.
I've heard some people say it's because writers nowadays have no real world experience. Writers back in the day tended to have an actual profession, field of study, or whatever on top of writing for fun. They have real life experiences and real people to draw inspiration from.
I've met a few aspiring writers and they're just so clueless about so much of the world. They want to act smart because they can use big words or something, but in reality, they don't actually know anything and they just wanna be a writer because they consume media 24/7 and want to make their own.
That's some of it. But even if you haven't lived through certain things, you can at least do research, or bring in a consultant. Writers used to work hard to figure out how to make things real. I've seen sci-fi authors talk about the countless hours they spent trying to learn about bleeding-edge tech or even just theoretical stuff, getting a feel for how it does or could work, and then implementing that into the story. And then there's the example of Tolkien; he wrote about 10 books worth of notes of backstory and history of his fictional world, and then wrote his novels, which made it feel very grounded. Entirely fantastical, but Rohan felt like an actual place and not just some guys over there somewhere.
@@billjacobs521 I never said it was the entire problem. Obviously, I think a ton of factors play into this. I was just throwing this out as something that's probably having an effect. Especially in industries like Hollywood, I don't think writers in the top positions get there entirely on merit. A lot of it comes down to nepotism.
Also, I'm not saying people need real life experiences for realism or anything like that. Genres like fantasy or sci-fi have nothing to do with my point. I've known aspiring writers that take too much inspirtion from existing media and almost nothing else. It's to the point I can usually tell what they're taking ideas from. Old writers seemed to like taking inspiration from their own lives and the lives of others. A lot of characters were also based off of people they knew. When a writer writes a story and characters that way, it's no wonder it feels more believable and authentic than when a writer basically xeroxes a previous work(s)... Then another writer xeroxes that... and another... until the quality deteriorates too much.
exactly. They are boring and chronically online. They are web-dwellers who think that reddit or Uni made them into "writers".
But unlike real writers who can share life experience, knowledge, ideas and their observations, these guys can only share with you the same beat-up dictionary and "jokes", that you have seen thousands of times.
This is right, writers took inspiration from their lives to write, while nowadays it seems that writers take inspiration from pop-culture and other books. It's a derivative of a derivative, there's no lived experience and they all seem the same because they take the inspiration from the same pool of information as every other writer instead of from their own perspective
It's basically people who don't read adult books writing. They've never encountered a moral quandary that they couldn't solve or a paradox. They read books like twilight and hunger games with no complexity or challenge
They learned how to "write" from watching Marvel movies lol. They have probably never studied the craft in any depth and are hired based on a diversity standard...
@@PaladinHD given how the new dnd movie is literally marvel with a coat of fantasy paint I agree
It's mostly people in their mid to late thirties that either don't read at all or exclusively read YA
@@coboby3347 we're in the post hunger games and twilight years
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!
The popularisation of dead pool humour and laugh tracks has done irreparable damage to society
Yes, blame an actually funny character for society's bad humour now.
What's funny about that association is that laugh tracks have actually declined in popularity. I think Deadpool-style meta humor is closer to a current generation replacement for what would once have been a laugh track.
@@aidanandreasen2611 yeah I was mostly critiquing Big Bang theory which I think is one of the more recent shows that beat the laugh track to death and back
@@B_C1109 dead pool is a great film but I think too many people thought they could finesse the deadpool humour in their own content and it falls really flat
@Mirage Funny the first time, maybe.
I feel like it's not a feature of Millennials, but a feature of the culture of big cities. I just don't encounter Millennials outside major cities who talk like or write like this. This video is the first time I've ever heard "The bar is on the floor". But I've had some big city roommates and this was just their thing. My favorite millennial thing is the constant talking about how great "exposed brick" is. I'm a Zillenial, brick's fine.
Fired brick is the prettiest architectural material in existence and dont you dare dispute it.
@@egoalter1276 Greek marble man, I don't think it beats that.
I see zillenial and I can only think of godzilla
It’s weird being in between zoomed and millennial. I understand the criticism of both but also see the other side of it.
Do they actually like that writing style in those places? Maybe this is a symptom of the Internet connecting places that are so culturally distant from one another that they might as well be separate nations.
Speaking as a 30-something year-old, it's because there's a view on sincerity and commitment as a weakness at the fundamental level. There's no fundamental innateness that you have in the connections between people. You can look at the trends of writing by looking at the trends of fanfiction writers and it's like the writers assign people this innate numerical value and mask the characters they want to protect in layers upon layers of detachment. Then when they get more grammatically sound and expand their vocabulary, you see that that detachment, that lack of intangibility, permeates into writing. Millennials are terrified of being judged for who they are; it's basically a culture-wide Eminem solution - "I will point out my flaws and laugh before you can get to me". Which works as a self-defense mechanism to an extent, but makes for very poor points of emotional expansion.
Ironically, there is one area where this does not apply: politics. For SOME FUCKING REASON.
For some reason, I got to thinking of those verbose memes where, as the text got more verbose, the image with it got progressively worse.
You’re not owed sincerity
Lol very true.
This modern writing reminds me of how 2000's Nickelodeon sitcoms were written. Everything is said with a quip on top of layers of sarcasm. Characters will sometimes just yell and the humor often relied on being weird instead of being funny. Only thing is, shows like iCarly and Victorious are meant for children in elementary school. All of the games that take this form of writing are M rated games intended for adults.
The kids raised on that grew up.
Good point. Thank God I never watched those shows. Even me as a kid thought they looked weird.
These people probably never learned that that wasn't how other people actually talked in real life, they themselves being "keyboard warriors" and all...
@@alrightsquinky7798 I was forced to watch it cause of my sister ive always hated it lol
glad i grew up on south park and gta lmao (never thought i'd say this)
Millennial game writers trying their hardest not to create the most boring and unfunny characters for 10 seconds(very hard challenge)
is what you said Millennial speak or Gen-Z speak?
*dies*
@@jonsnow9659it’s millennial, cause the writers in question are in they early 40’s most of the time. It’s their awful attempt at appealing to zoomers.
@@jonsnow9659 millennials ruined SM. I was born in the in-between stage of them so I got to watch all their BS unfold. They are a stain on this planet and ultimately can't do shit until they bitch or moan enough. That's just a fact, I've yet to meet a millennial that is emotionally stable or able to critically think about situations separating thought from feeling. It's disgusting and disturbing how up their own ass they can be
@@mightquinnable I think he meant the meme, unless you mean the meme too?
Gen Z here. Im so sick of irony poisoning literally every piece of media.
Wish writers could be sincere even if its high concept or absurd
stay in school kid
could be in his late 20s@@MGrey-qb5xz
@@MGrey-qb5xzeven the youngest zoomers are in their mid-teens now, so I'd assume he is in his 20s.
@@dejanjakobovic9803 Youngest Zoomers have between 9-12 years old
@@TakonumeroII 2012 was 12 years ago as of writing this reply. Gen Alpha started in 2010. This makes the youngest Zoomers around 14-15 years old.
You forgot THE most common millenial writing trope: contrasting the threat level of an animal with its name. E.g. It'll be a cute kitten whos name is 'Dark Lord Balzarah' - Or it'll be a large scary monster whose name is 'Fluffykins'.
Pitbull named "princess"
Nah. That's an old thing. People were using that kind of humour back in the 80s
@@moreplease998 Yes maybe it began earlier but it sure has kept around in millennial writing and tumble posts.
@@yambuh3247
5 yr old named Solomon
People don't understand that there's a time and place for everything. Millenial humor can work in a few places, like the internet. But when it comes to more serious media (like video games), keep that under wraps, except maybe in rare occasions where it'll actually fit.
This reminds me of when I was a kid seeing cartoons written by old people trying to be "hip" with the kids by featuring rap songs.
Hey possum didn’t expect to see u here
@@JesusChrist-ey9qt It's almost like RUclipsrs are people who watch youtube videos as well.
@@StephonZeno yeah but it’s never RUclipsr that I watch or care about
Unexpected Possum cameo
Holy smokes it's Possum!
Being quirky loses it's charm when it becomes vindictive and condescending.
That's the best way to explain it, bro
Evil can also be quirky, the problem is that these writers equate quirkiness with minorities and victims because they see themselves as anything but the bad guy.
@@lasarousibingo.
Too many people obsess over skin color/gender/orientation when personality and character is what actually matters and should be focused on
Yes!! Well said!
@@S_F_SThis!!!! This!!!! This!!!! Shut up man Jesus christ
The way millennials on twitter talk about capitalism is hilarious to me, as someone from the former Soviet Union. Like, you think we didn't have shitty bosses?
@@texanarchy666 it objectively was , as an actual communist , stop with the bullcrap ''it wasnt real communism''
@@user-jc1dw9zf5t it objectively wasn’t a stateless, classless, moneyless society, which is what communism is.
@@texanarchy666 - Yes. You ARE asking for it, but you are too brainwashed by childish idealism and too ignorant of history to know that you are asking for it.
@@user-jc1dw9zf5tthe cccp definitely wasn't really communist since it had people in command and gerarchies, but still communism is plain and simple utopia.
@@asellandrofacchio7263 utopia is a new religion to replace God for atheists. You can't reach it, ever, because humans are flawed
You see, the main writer of Deus Ex actually read books and wrote books and for The New York Times. Throughout Deus Ex you can find numerous snippets and references to real books. When the guy wrote China as being controlled by the mafia, the Chinese preferring that to the dictatorship of the Illuminati and ultimately faced JC (and the player) with the inevitable decision to side with the mafia (even though it goes against JC's morality) and later on to replace them with an AI; he was showing nuance because he understood the whole point is that there was no "right" side on that particular story because it was merely exploring ideas in a dystopic setting.
The 30-something that wrote "ugh, capitalism am I right?" on the other hand is making a political statement. That's as far as his political views go because xe has never read a single book on xer life besides (maybe) Harry Potter and (maybe) overviews of mandatory highschool/college literature to make half-assed reports.
These writers are stupid and completely empty of any real ideas. All they think they know comes from social media and political talking heads. They latch onto whatever stupid idea is gaining traction and assume it is inherently good because they have the mental capacity of an 11-year old and see the world as good vs evil.
They're just fucking incompetent.
Seems like they just aren't hiring good writers now.
This ties in with the final message of the video. When you're chronically online is easier for your artistic output to be shallow. These new writers should just plug out and actually broaden their horizons, outside of internet content.
Anime Director/Writer Mamoru Oshii is a good example of writing politics without paints the other side as a mindless moron.
@@stoogelyup. There’s lots of good writers out there who actually read and don’t write to inject their manifesto into everything. Industry doesn’t want them
Xe lmao
It's not that millennials are bad writers. It's that millennials can BE as bad a writer as they want and still keep their job.
Oldest millennials are in their 40s now. Statistically there have to be at least some good writers among them.
I think it's both. Mostly because of shitty culture that millennials grew up on unlike their predecessors.
That’s changing as we speak. This strike is the culling
Statement accurate asf
@@andrewarbeit5393the industry is just replacing them with ai machines who are programmed to steal the writing styles from the bad writers
🙃 we're still going to get millennial writing but its just written by a robot
“You’re really good at that! Shooting things, that is.” This line right here exemplifies Millennial writing. Rick and Morty is like this too. I finally have word for this, thank you.
Rick and Morty was better at it though. The thing is you can't just imitate things. You've gotta actually do something original.
I realize I often talk like that...... I feel like such a douche
@@Sorrowdusk Rick and Morty isn't exactly the pinnacle of comedy either.
It is the millennial humor before it got out of hand and spilled over everywhere.
High on Life basically encapsulates everything wrong with Millenial writing in the worst way possible
@@Skelterbane69 you’re not a douche you just consume too much similar content by these writers or online in comments/twitter
I really despise the whole "all art is political" and "all games are political by nature" followed by "saying nothing implies you're defending the status quo" which is an intellectual impasse...
It's a logical fallacy used by terminally online morons who want to preach their ideology and not get pushback (while also trying to browbeat people who don't want to make instant judgement into joining 'their' side)
The way i see it, I do partially agree with the idea that non political storying also perpetuates the status quo. However, i also believe that that's completely fine, when the author had no intention to challenge or advocate any political beliefs in the first place.
Whats is funny is a lot of media that people say has "nothing to say" actually has messages in the story they just dont spun feed you the message
Like one piece for exemple you arent gonna find events directly relating to real world events or anything like that but the entire thing has a big anti facist message on it that just goes over people heads
@@segenshin1894 I'm sick of people acting like the status quo is so bad. Stick with the devil you know guys, changing it could bring about something worse.
@@MachineMan-mj4gjThey are progressives, They want to change the status quo to go further to their ideology, that's why they hate the status quo and want constant change.
The issue with this kind of writing is that everyone treats art like it needs to reflect your moral virtue whether you create it or consume it.
>degree in English
>butchers English on daily basis
Can't make this up.
Me fail English?
That’s unpossible.
An F in English? Bobby, you speak English.
Probably got that degree from a box of gluten-free Cereal(tm).
What do you think modern English degrees teach? Not how to use English, but rather that any way of using English is equally correct. Except the correct way, because that implies you are better than others.
@Brutus the Bear I imagine it teaches rhetoric or newspeak if I might make a tasteless reference to Orwell.
I sure do love it when the greedy coorporations talk about capatalism
By monopolizing its critique they're free to abuse it without fear of retribution. It's an old trick. This is why all the major criticism of government comes from secretly government-backed sources. In America, this is Daily Wire, MSNBC, etc. It bounds the narrative within controllable limits and ensure nothing effective is ever done (or realized).
It's kinda brilliant, they sell merch about "capitalism" to fund the capitalism , and the folk keep buying it xd
Its basically a type of gate keeping. Words are always cheap, that is why companies shell them out. Any trust should be built off a history of actions and not words, especially when it comes to soulless corporate mega companies. Why companies get away with just words today, its because human have not adapted yet to being lied to over the internet. We still need a few more generations for it to really sink in that companies don't care about you even a little bit, they care about your money and their money.
@@ColdSnap9 Same I love it when they lecture about the importance of charity whilst sitting on more money a person could fathom 😍
@@pedrotbird5426I’m getting vague notions of a certain Turk streamer… Basan, Kazan…? Hmmm 🤔
Brian Griffin writing
funniest comment
i like that you mentioned that it's just as much californian as it is millenial. i tried to get into the sims 4 a while back and i was repulsed by how... californian it is
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that
Bro I’m playing right now and I was wondering why everyone there is a hipster lol.
@@AppleJacksCereal ikr
Bro play the sims 2 or the sims 3 away from politic and propaganda.
They just made a new expansion pack and it's fucking healing crystals/astrology themed, I'm so done with this game
“they do these political things, not because they have anything to say, but because they think they need to say something.” perfectly describes this trend.
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." -Plato
Because talking about politics makes them feel smart. Just like violence and swearing makes them feel mature.
The funniest thing about it that they often pick "capitalism" to be the political boogie man. But they don't really understand what capitalism is so half the time they defend it half the time they oppose it. They just throw in some post-modern political terms to hope people will be too confused to understand that they don't know what they're talking about, because it works on them on twitter.
It comes from schooling. Along with intersectionality, they started teaching that saying nothing is agreeing with the status quo. So unless you wanna be the bad guy, you have to actively talk about how much you hate them and want progress. 's pretty fucked if you think about it.
@@End3rDJgaming I've always resented that notion and think people who follow it are unintelligent.
The scene in Saints Row 3 where they rob a bank dressed in their own merchandise and Johnny Gat is wearing a mask of his own head to hide his identity is a more nuanced critique of capitalism than every single line about capitalism in the new game put together
Same goes for the second game, with Dane Vogel. Not exactly subtle, but still manages to say so much more without ever having to explicitly call it out.
@@vinegar4556 Saints 2 is literally a game about gentrification and a ton of other shit and handles it with significantly more nuance than nu saints ever could
@Antonio Gramsci I agree it should've been taught to blue collar workers instead. That's kind of the people who benefit from it the most and really the backbone to any meaningful change when it comes to working people being treated better. Which is also why its the most important group to keep uninterested in it because the only people talking about it are the complete opposite of them. People who want to sound smart more than they want to talk to a person like a person. No mechanic, no landscaper, no framer, no electrician I've ever met is going to be convinced by:
"No you don't understand. Grasping the inherently exploitative nature of late stage capitalism and the class struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie is vital to achieving class consciousness and retaking the means of production for the working class. You need to look at the imperialist cultural hegemony with a critical lens to free yourself from the WAGE SLAVERY INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM."
"Cool thanks I am wildly not fucking interested in anything you said"
"BUT DIACLECTIC MATERIALISM. LABOR THEORY OF VALUE. P R A X I S."
It would be super helpful if people stopped talking about this shit entirely by smelling their own farts and hoping the other guy digs the smell too.
@@Pragabond That's the issue though. The entire idea was made by lazy educated people who believed they were part of the lower classes because they weren't successful. This is why it always devolves into bloody chaos. Because it isn't about the poor being treated better, it's about causing enough discontent to get people to overthrow the existing structure so the upper middle class revolutionaries can seize power and promptly push their pawns back into their places.
@@Pragabond There are ways to critique capitalism (which is just the communist scare word for the free market, but let's not get bogged down in that) without being anti-capitalist. I'm from the blue collar background you're referencing and I have plenty of critiques of our system, wealth inequality being a serious issue for instance, but that doesn't make me an anti-capitalist. Anti-capitalism isn't ever going to appeal to people like me because it's inherently a white collar ideology created by ivory tower freaks who've never done an honest day's work in their life. Pseudo-intellectualism isn't a bug of the ideology, it's a feature, and not even that we don't understand what terms like Praxis or Materialism mean either. We just don't care. We're not revolutionaries nor do we want to be. We just want to be fairly compensated for our work and left alone, that's it.
My favorite millenial writing phrase is "Well, that just happened"
i always called it reddit writting
I hate self-aware jokes, I hate meta jokes, I hate games based on LA culture, I hate modern social commentary.
My main takeaway from this: I hate millennial writing.
I-I... yikes, you sweet summer child there's a lot to unpack here. Who hurt you baby?
i hate it as well, thats why i dont watch any current shows on tv nor have i for years....but its also in commercials and music channels and that makes it even worse....
Meta jokes aren't bad it's just people forget the "subvert expectations" part of comedy like if u took 2 seconds to think of what the punchline is then you've figured it out it's only good when done properly... Shame it never is
GTA San Andreas and IV were great though
I don't hate this types of jokes normaly, Animaniacs(the original show) has all of this yet its Still Just as funny as silent cartoons.
We hate capitalism.
We worked really hard on this game, please pay us 100$ for it.
Trade existed before capitalism. Also, even it it hadn't, you still have to live under capitalism and you gotta make money if you want to survive. "When you live among wolves, you have to howl like one."
Doesnt matter how much you hate the system. People still need money to survive and still have to participate in the system
@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 They don't. People can choose to move to other country with a stronger state economy. The fact they don't is because they are aware that they benefit from capitalism far more than they are comfortable admitting.
@@renard6012 You must not have very much life experience if you think the only reason people can’t or won’t just move to another country is because “capitalism rocks.” Maybe take some time off from reddit and start living in the real world.
The real irony is that raising clearly disproves the work theory of value
I think you’ve forgotten another key social media platform that contributes to millennial brainrot: Reddit
Much worse than tiktok.
@@youngc570both are just as bad as each other IMO. Reddit encourages mob mentality and circlejerking while TikTok fries your dopamine receptors.
Reddit should just be abolished.
It’s just a forum for hobbies.
Reddit was one-half of proto-TikTok, pre-exodus Tumblr was the other. Reddit only really became insufferable in the late 2010s though.
Oh my god, someone who brought up the stupid over use of “decent human being” like they don’t know the word “person”. It’s beyond irritating to read it in any comment section usually 20 or more times.
“Lisa lahves yu tu. As a person. As a humin bean.”
-Johnny (Tommy Wiseau), The Room
You're a wonderful human being, Jabba.
A real hero. A real human being.
They talk like Reddit mods. “Remember the human”
Even "person" gets overused nowadays, along with forced gender neutrality in general.
this is a major reason why whenever a piece of entertainment shows any traces of good writing it's hailed as a 10/10 masterpiece.
People are starved for talent
A drop of water for the thirsty masses...
Sometimes all it needs are good graphic representations tbh, that's what happens often for movies or animated shows. Writing might be dogshit and generic but as long as it looks cool 20 iq amebas will love it, and they are millions
like Billy Joel said: "I am, as I've said, merely competent. But in an age of incompetence, that makes me extraordinary."
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"
The problem with writers in modern gaming, movies and comics is this: the writers have never really lived. Most of them got hired straight out of college and only conversed with people in their own social circle both off the internet and on it. They never really struggled in life, they never explored new territory on their own. They never grew up.
I was born and i still live in a third world country and it actually inspire me to make stories.
You nailed it
Lmao first world people talking about struggle
Exactly. It's all just friend humor internet culture.
yeah it rlly seems like a bunch of sheltered golden boys just decided to become “writers” for whatever reason.
Here's how you fix it: STOP BUYING THEIR SLOP
I started to pick up on this recently with how people write out their stutter. It's really annoying to read but they will write out something like, "did-did anybody else see that?"
Overuse of the ellipsis is bad too. "That's not...how any of this works at all! Jinkies!"
@@JDoe-gf5oz Not just overuse, but outright abuse. I see....people who write....their....posts like this....and it's....the only punctuation....they use. And yes, I used 4 periods because they screw that up too.
@@billjacobs521
Holy shit I know exactly what you’re talking about, cos reading your post made me irrationally angry. I hate when people abuse ellipses.
This is probably the weakest one so far. I saw this shit in chat rooms ages ago all the time.
Stutters are a fine way to diegetically express emotions, such as surprises, fears, bafflements etc. The key for proper usage is a fitting context and moderate usage.
And don't think the "I-" comment enders don't boil my blood too.
I love how you referenced Twitter and even 4chan, but you completely ignored the biggest elephant in the room; Reddit.
The problem is that everyone wants to be the funny guy. If everyone is the funny guy, then no one is the funny guy.
ThIs PosT RiGht HerE OffIcER
@Cheese Greater it wasn't me. It was the one armed man.
Pretty self righteous to think humor needs to be in short supply. It's not like a superpower which the original quote you referenced from The Incredibles is talking about (which btw is extremely redditor of you).
I'm sure a ton of people can make you laugh, they're just not good writers. Conveying a humorous situation is what makes a comedian different from your hilarious friend.
Reddit is terrible because there's no originality. I'm sure the first "this post right here officer" or "THIS SO MUCH THIS" was infinitely less cringe than the 5 trillionth time it was posted.
@Goobles I wasn't saying reddit is a good place. I'm saying that's where you can find a lot of this cringe humor
@@goobles3991 Quoting The Incredibles is as far from Reddit-friendly as can be. That movie was inspired by Ayn Rand's books, and she's like the Antichrist for redditors.
I disagree with Twitter being the genesis of “Millennial Writing.”
I worked in game development before Twitter’s rise and had to endure insufferable Californian hipsters that spewed that awful snark from the narrative teams. Writers were often spoiled Millennials with a fancy degree from some overpriced Californian university. They all acted like uppity hipsters and many of the devs started becoming passive-aggressive around that time as well (2007-2014).
All of our media and creative industries have been infiltrated and hijacked by these obnoxious cnts. It REALLY makes it difficult to enjoy hobbies I once loved. No wonder there has been such a renaissance in retro-gaming these past years.
And indies, don't forget about those!
Yeah, and don't think foreign games are safe. The translators are doing the same shit. No end in sight either.
@@drunkencowboyagni
Me: enjoying an online game cause it's kinda fun and both my child and I can play it together.
My child: Xinyan should've been more darker skinned
Even casual foreign games with a half way decent plot are getting the nu-American writing style treatment
@@ChangedWinds What the hell is the "un-American writing style treatment"?
you might be on to something, remember ad's that would target teen that tried to relate? those ads are cringe because it use millennial writing
These millennial writers have taken over everything....Movies,Games,TV....They write for a non existent "modern audiences"
They are being (literally) promoted by powerful corporations not on the basis of skills but on ideology.
Joss Whedon ruined a whole generation of writers.
the MCU ruined a generation of writers
hater
supporter
@@rubricon3491 hater
@@changsiah2 loyalist
@@changsiah2 You look softer than the Pilsbury Doughboy, go to the gym weakling.
I’m sick of seeing cringey millennial quips and baby talk and annoying trends everywhere. It really annoys me and pisses me off
What being childless does to a MF.
I'm honestly more sick of these people whining about me writing full sentences than anything else that comes out of their mouths.
I can pass off everything else as much of my generation being social media & grass-addicted morons with no sense of sophistication or integrity whatsoever.
literally i just cant. i dunno what yall problem is. yall be trippin LOL. i cant with this rn my sides my dude.
It sickens me and makes my hatred for society flourish, I'm glad I'm a recluse, it's better this way..
@Elijah Boyd ^^^ This SO much ! Hot take bruh. Yall be impressin me wit dat literal cabbage vibez. Low key FIRE yall yall.
This is less about writing and more about corporations filling out checkboxes. They don't care if someone is a good writer, as long as they fulfill a certain trend that's popular with the kids these days.
“It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy, inner city tech people from coastal cities of America.”
Thank you so much for pointing this out. I moved to a coastal city from one of those (apparently) hellish small towns of America to work in the entertainment industry, and so much “representation” we see in writing is just an echo chamber of people who don’t even realize how wealthy they are. They’re too busy shitting on less fortunate, less developed areas and blindly spewing stereotypes to even realize how little representation those lives ever get and how important they are.
I forget who it was who said it, but the quote "Nerd culture becoming mainstream has had disastrous consequences on western society" has stuck with me for a while
Fax.
Nerd and punk have been appropriated by bullies and bootlickers.
Turns out things were better when nerds were losers, and I say that to my own detriment
I remember the days when nerds and anime fans were bullied relentlessly, and I yearn for the day we can go back. And I say this as someone who really used to be into anime and was a social outcast, maybe that’s just me being a masochist though.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 I'm more of a hipster and hate seeing things I felt like was niche become popular
"The writers just expect that we care about these characters"
That is one of the single most important roots to the issue, honestly.
Yiik comes to mind. Especially when the writer for that game called the many MANY people who criticized his writing as children who want toys, not art.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 Sounds like he was totally Yiiking out
I don’t care about real people why would I care about your fake ones ya know
@@Krustyplayboythat's unironically what a millenial writer would say
Good point!
This style of humor makes me think Jar Jar Binks was their favorite character growing up
@MandelbrotMetalhead Ironically, Jar Jar Binks is better written and less annoying than most millennial written characters.
@@Daralexenyeah, even my grandma thought he was kind of funny, and she’s an old-school Sci fi fan. Not even pulp Sci-fi either; this is a woman who considers Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series to be among her favorite books and can explain why she loved the first Dune novel but didn’t care for the others.
When he said "Maybe stop doing that problematic accent" I physically winced from cringe.
The person who wrote that probably believes that United States accents are “normal accents.”
Another problem that i've noticed recently is the lack of a good frame of reference for writers.
Back then most writers i knew were at least somewhat well read and experienced. Some were really deep into specific subjects too, like history, or a skill.
Nowadays it feels like their whole view of everything is molded by their social bubble, Marvel movies and twitter politics.
I saw another comment talking about how the old "write what you know" saying was cooked up during a time when people still actually had a decent chance at living varied lives of struggle and drive. It's very true, "write what you know" is actually more of a detriment when applied to people who basically just lounge around smoking weed and scrolling around Twitter and watching generic Marvel film 447.
I agree 100%. I think that is why most new content is just a bad copy of something that was already popular. It would be like writing a time travel movie and only using Back to the Future as your reference point. Sure you could piece something passable together but you would be missing out on the countless other science fiction works on the subject.
mIyazaki often talked about this in regards of anime. All the golden age animators came from a wide background, were being inspired by other mediums, studied real life, were reading a lot of literature and then made up all the innovation in the anime industry with what they gathered. The new generation only consumes anime and only studies anime, it doesn't are about the real world or other art that isnt anime so the result as he puts it is inhuman, is regurgitating the same things in an incestual cicle but with less soul each time.
@@bake-io1cf It even applies to the anime industry? Damn. It's gotta be true though, I remember a lot of the most influential ones usually had creators with some pretty interesting backgrounds (or pretty horrific, depending on, you know... how old they are...)
@@SnibsnBibs Anime is not at all what it was when i was younger. Moe slice of life took over everything since. I'd say the golden age was late 80s to late 90s, most of the greatest creators from that time have died or retired (R.I.P Satoshi Kon and Kentaro Miura) . Expect all anime from now on to be rotoscoped/ motion captured CG and AI bullshit.
"Get this .... shes a woman but shes TOUGH and she SWEARS all the time 😌😌😌"
I enjoyed High on Life. I thought the gameplay was fun but the writing got really old, really quick. I would actively avoid using Sweezy, the vulgar woman gun, because she was so over-the-top crass and swearing nonstop. That really isn't funny or endearing if you're not being self-aware about it. I don't mind swearing in the proper context, but it reminds me of middle school when I think someone is cursing just to look cool or tough.
Yeah, I think the issue is while it would have been subversive, say, twenty years ago, now it's so common that it's bland, tiring, and uninspired. The subversion has become the norm.
@@Skin_Man and the people doing it still think they’re being smart and subversion, somehow
My peanut sized mind = *Blown*
bravo vince, hire this guy to write on all of our productions
I'm not being racist here, but the edgy, half-black, punky girl character is the personification of this type of writing. It's a person that barely exists in the real world but is so overrepresented in modern games. Just like the dialogue. Who they're trying to cater to is beyond me.
everyone. Its more profitable that way. Blame capitalism for the edgy but in a safe way half-black punk girl.
middle age women self inserting themselves as "hip"
as a black person, it's actually become a meme to make fun of that one half-shaved dreadlock/punky haircut that almost every ethnic video game character seems to have nowadays. that design was semi-cool in like 2010 when it was a handfull of characters that had it, but now it's beyond parody
@@fortunamajor7239 jesus finally somebody said it
@@Stupididiot67*corporatism
Oh man, I remember writing for kids shows started becoming like this on both Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon at the same time (the humor specifically). Was very strange seeing it happen across all these different shows out of the blue.
Felt like this happened after adventure time and regular show
@@wesleywatson2009Adventure Time started to get that type of writing after season 3 when the writer was changed. That's why I believe there were only ever 3 seasons to Adventure Time.
Examples of shows? Im not trying to sound like a smartass, Im just curious.
@@yoshimina4551 i havent watched CN in a hot minute but i remember shows like gumball, adventure time, steven universe veering into that territory a few seasons into their tenure
@@yoshimina4551 steven universe, both writing and artstyle wise
the bit about millenial passive aggresiveness is so true, I find it so annoying, I much prefer to be insulted directly than to be condescendingly moralised at
Tbf, sometimes the point of insulting someone is to annoy them, but I agree with your statement nonetheless
@@lordwaluigi8535 It's more they can't handle a direct confrontation of whatever is causing them to be passive aggressive, so instead they annoy in the hope that they win without confrontation. When confronted they meltdown normally, so I do my utmost to confront them...
@@BrKnOblivionyeah that's just people in general
to be fair, everyone is passive-aggrevise nowadays. none can handle a direct confrontation anymore because people live in their little bubbles with people that never challenge their ideas. the echochamber they lock themselves in has made them forget how to have a discussion, so they either act passive-aggressive or straight up start screaming at your face if you disagree.
@@giulioceresini1435sounds like you can't bud. Swim in confrontation so when a dipshit wanna press you, you're doin laps.
Man I sure do love everyone being a bitter 20-30 something urban millennial who lives in San Francisco, really gives immersion.
Millennials are all 30+ now.
That would be 30-40.
Millennials are old now.
20 year olds do not talk like that
@@wizajn in their own mind they're not
20-somethings are zoomers you clown
“It feels like they were trying to make a political statement that they weren’t equipped to make” kinda sums up this entire societal issue.
Genuinely though, i don't think anyone writing a book in their mid to late twenties, or younger, has lived enough to actually have any opinions on matters that are anywhere near fully formed. They're still children, but somehow they just get scooped up into an industry usually dominated by older, more experienced people who have lived enough and done enough to actually have a view and opinion worth hearing and pondering, even if you don't agree with it.
I think part of the issue may well be that millenials are one of the first generations that grew up immersed in technology from a young age and easy access to their little bubbles that restrict their experience. I'm from a country well outside the US's normal sphere of influence, but young americans are so loud and all encompassing online that you'd swear they are the country in the world if you were terminally online. Some even consider it a second wave of colonization because of how far reaching the effect of californian hipster culture is on our culture and world view. People my age, millenials too mind you, know more about US politics and television than any local issue or party. It's frightening how all consuming that incessant loud broadcast of LA college kid culture is as far as southern africa. Therein lies the issue. If that minority was loud enough to basically copy it's values and ideas onto a whole nother continent, how much of an effect does it have on local teenagers and college aged people? Especially those with a lot of time on their hands and access to the internet? Is it any surprise that if this is the kind of culture and worldview that gets broadcasted abroad, that it completely molds the more online, inexperienced writers who use their small experience in their online social circle as a substitute for real understanding and experience of the world?
As someone who likes to write, my greatest fear would be to discover that i've accidentally written something millennial.
As someone who's drowning in watching anime for reference, I see no problem yet
The most bizarre thing about this era of writing is that playing a scene, a character or a cliche in a completely strait and normal way is now subversion kind of.
Also I patently dislike how much current new age writers seem to offload their personal issues onto the audience. It's ok and good when writers explore heavy themes, but at least make it look like you aren't just talking about your daddy issues or whatever. I don't want to hear your weirdly personal and maybe even vindictive fantasies in animated comedy or some other shit.
Agreed. That’s a big part of why I loved Big Jack Horner as the villain in the new Puss in Boots movie. He’s not misunderstood, no tragic backstory, no redemption arc, none of that crap. He’s just straight up evil and revels in it. It’s awesome
It's therapy all the way down
@@JingIeFett remidnms me of Claude Fuastus he is pure evil the whole time but the way he does it an what draws him in thay makes him interesting he never redeemed himself he just finds out that the fuked himself over an was controlled an killed by his own prey
"Velma" anyone?
Turning red was the most bizarre example.
I've notice this trend in not only games, but movies too. Every line has to be self-aware, witty, and ironic. Nobody takes anything seriously. It drives me insane.
The 'not taking seriously' is far and away my biggest pet peeve.
Literally everything HAS to be sarcastic, because emotions are scary and we need you to have positive association with our product so you'll think it's good.
@@axiss5840 so much this.
It's truly a cultural cancer to have the irony throttle to the max all the fucking time.
There needs to be poignant moments especially for characters or events the writer would least expect.
What makes this worse is that all it does is pull you out of the fictional world they're trying to present. A glorified SNL sketch is what the story and its world become.
Taking anything seriously is boring these days apparently
I mean seriously try and get a streamer to take a story based game seriously.
It's a sad truth that most gamers want dopamine rather that something thought-provoking
But it's been that way forever
You better get over it
@@NgaMarsters people should still always try to be better.
It's harder to be unironic while maintaining a certain tone.
Yes there's the real trap of being pretentious etc, but avoiding that's the skill of it.
Too many of these writers suffer from main character syndrome. They can't resist the urge to self-insert themselves. And it's not just games. We're seeing this in TV series and films as well.
I honestly just hate how insincere everything is. This is one reason why I gravitate more towards Japanese media, because it's just so much more common to see characters who are earnest as fuck and believe in what they are doing with every fiber of their being. It's just more inspiring to see someone say something and truly, unwaveringly _mean_ it.
i would probably enjoy japanese media more if it didn't take every opportunity to spoonfeed the audience exactly whats happening all the time but i get your point
@@Skyfoogleyou see...I agree with you about Japanese media needlessly explaining things we just saw, but then when I read random internet arguments, I see that it's justified
@@Skyfooglein certain situations I actually don’t mind, such as the hxh chimera ant arc narration. But I completely understand. There’s lots of them that don’t do that as much though
Dont worry. They have come to ruin that as well. Look to lost judgement for reference. Its one big afterschool special about bullying but it is pretty hardcore at some points. It also has dialogue reiterated in episodic style that treats you like you are dumber than a fly and cant keep up with the story even though it really isnt that convoluted and it will play out through cinematics. Can still play the game even with all those issues but you can see the start of the seed of corruption for japanese games/media.
This is why I have always preferred children’s media over adult media. Ironically, most children’s media is more mature than media for “mature” audiences. Comparing the writing in Kid Icarus: Uprising or Xenoblade Chronicles to Dead Island 2 or Redfall is day and night.
"It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy inner-city tech people from the coastal cities of America."
Exactly. That's the whole issue right there. It's an out-of-touch, self rightious, circlejerk perpetuated by a privileged isolation from everyone else.
Well articulated and incredibly accurate.
Privaledged?
Yeah, i just think that the majority of public is from these metropolis, like video games doesn't target Nigerian Radish Farmers
Not just that, but maybe more specifically, "Hollywood" writing, written from one bubble of California
@@grandevirtude9830 It might not target Nigerian Radish Farmers but the majority of people in general terms, do not reside in high-society suburban homes on the outskirts of San Francisco. They live amongst celebrities and things of that nature and are heavily influenced by that culture, which basically means they are detached from reality as far as the "common person" is concerned.
In terms of social commentary in games, I think it's the problem Tolkien brought up about hating allegory. He wanted his stories to have "applicability" so while you could see where he drew his inspiration from, the message fit in the world he created and didn't feel like a social commentary while you can see how it can be applied to real life. Now, modern writers don't have the skill to make something applicable without being a direct allegory or just saying it without even having an allegory.
I find that Tolkien's definition of applicability is so important for the audience or reader to feel investment or engagement with any given material instead of being bombarded with "propaganda" or just flat out flatulent noise. The former is how build a story and express themes while the latter is how you self-suck into hysteria.
I think it's just the lack of structural teaching of writing. Milleanils get so many inspirations and tips and tricks from the internet that range from good to objectively wrong.
Like what you're talking about: Allegory. While I do think there are allegories in Tolkien's work (in general the conflict between good & evil is an allegory), but Millenials make the connections to what the allegories are by the lowest commmon denominator a.k.a. the most lazily and generally applicable themes that you can say are "sorta similar".
That's a really cool idea. I'll have to find that quote.
This.
Ironic that Tolkiens work is now used in that very way
This happened because millennials grew up with sarcasm type humor with media like Office Space, like you mentioned. But after years of building resentment like everyone else, their goofy sense of humor becomes a cynical bite to anyone who disagrees.
If vivziepop wrote borderland
As Tom Waits said: “the world is a hellish place, and bad writing is ruining the quality of our suffering.”
Is he still waiting??
@@discipleofdagon8195 lol, presumably.
The earth died screaming…about capitalism and carbon foot print.
That’s why God’s away on business.
@@Strider258ironically, carbon footprint is something that could destroy us eventually if we let it.
(Note: throwing soup on classic works of art does probably fall under “letting it happen”.)
Imagine a world where Joss Whedon pursued his dream job as a podiatrist instead of moving to Hollywood, we'd be spared the world we live in today.
That should be the plot of the next Back to The Future movie
imagine a world where Seth MacFarlane didn't miss his flight 🥰
Where everything doesn’t need to have swearing every five lines to be edgy and cool for the audience, but it all sounds really stupid.
@@IvanVKlik even better
It sucks too because as far as I can see, Whedon is good at writing, it's just he gets imitated by people who aren't so good.
Annoying thing is that millennial and generation Z writing and culture always tends to lean very left and liberal. Completely disregarding that not everyone thinks the same way of the world. I don’t eat vegan or talk about carbon footprints or dress in a hip and popular way. And I’m 21. I’m not saying liking those things is bad but we’re not all agreeing on same things.
I’m a leftist and I’m so tired of far left idealism in games and media.
You can hardly turn on any major movie or game without being virtue signaled to.
I’m a leftist and I think it’s super annoying. Commit to these ideas. Make a point, don’t just pay lip service to them.
The problem really isn't leftism. Doom eternal made the same kind of shit, quippy jokes about the evil cultists accepting demons because they're pro-diversity or something, and gave the doom slayer a millennial bedroom where he collects magazines and funko pops.
If you are not a leftist, you get cancelled. That's why many dark racia1 or s3x jokes in early 2000s are gone.
@@johnstevenson5084 at the very least doom eternal gets a pass for its "mortally challenged" joke, it's a jab at sensitivity writing.
moist critikal is one of the biggest causes of normalization the twitter baby talk imo
"now we're really ready to goatse this stinking issue guys"
no one's ready to talk about that ever.
The sentence "tommy needy drinky" really changed my entire life
Makes you think, doesn't it?
You can tell that Tom makes a lot of terrible puns followed by "I'll see myself out"
Me needy to be tommy.
Took years off my life
I haven't finished watching the video yet, and that line sounds like something from Rugrats. Please tell me it's from Rugrats
Edit: It's not
it’s simply insecurity deep down so they mask it with ten layers of irony and meta humor and shitty quips
Insecurities and resentment
What watching too much Rick and morty does to one’s brain
In my experience it is indeed insecurity. There's this mental block of writing dialogue that's just straight to the point or genuine feelings/expressions because writing non-serious quips helps shield against the fear of mockery. This style of writing is like a bandaid for your ego from the inevitable criticism. "if these characters aren't serious, if i don't put any effort, then it won't matter when people don't like it." And then add an overdose of corporate cynicism and you get these.
I used to love meta humor, I still do in some ways, but it's been beat to death now.
@@Dhips. Thats not the real problem. Like most comedy, its when a concept is reduced to its most superficial elements, stagnates due to a lack of understanding by those who use it as a substitute for creativity, that you end up with something becoming stagnant.
Meta humor and deconstruction require a strong understanding of mechanics behind a given trope, as thats needed to twist it into a joke. Meta humor as its referred to today "self awareness", is just calling out a trope and never executing it. Or worse.... calling out the trope, and executing it anyway. Its the lack of creativity to do something with the idea that makes it grating.
Another thing to consider is irreverence. Despite what the name might imply, its entirely possible to mock something in good humor/nature, while still firmly critiquing something about it. A reoccurring issue I'm noticing with the current generation of writers and commenters is tendency to take things very superficially, if not out right literally. Its hard to tell if this is lack of understanding of the subject matter, or a lack of consideration of deeper concepts, and stopping the first emotional reaction.
Knowing what we know now with the Sweet Baby Inc. stuff, I’m not shocked
It makes so much more sense now
I came back after suffering the edgy millennial hell that is Hazbin Hotel
Really.. why are you addicted
@@jameslazaridis4180 When did I say I was addicted?
a coworker recommended it to me. i wish I could unwatch it
@@PoorStargazerI don’t know why Vivzi even thinks that this is decent dialogue.
@@prometheus9732i heard one of guys who worked on Helluva Boss left the writing staff and other guy came and caused the writing of season 2 of HB sound inferior. The new guy worked on the Amazon show.
Shame. If they decided to show dictators trying to get the ticket to Heaven, the show would be funnier to watch. One thing is to regret putting Dahmer because of his fangirls trying to ship him with Alistair. Other is being boring and making the show look Tumblrish.
I don't watch the show. I just check what folks write.
Also, Preacher, Mao Dante and Shin Megami Tensei did Heaven bad better which made me, a Catholic, shocked and interested.
I think it comes from a place of being scared of authenticity. They have a desire to say what they think the audience wants to hear instead of what the characters would actually say.
No you're completely right. Everyone is so scared of being themselves or offensive that nothing has weight anymore. It's like that uncanny 'camp' feeling you get from bad acting. How are we supposed to enjoy a story when the writers themselves can't genuinely say that they do?
wheres herbert moon when you need him
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I think it's got more to do with the type of people being churned out of these universities and cities (neoliberals). I don't think they can be authentic because most can't think for themselves, and those that can won't be authentic because of political peer-pressure. But some have very clear agendas that they follow in-tandem with other forms of media - and that's because of political activists and NGO's used by billionaires like the Rockefellers (and others) to force their politics into society.
Yeah. Seeing this video essay devolve into "It's the FBI, man!" was weird, although the initial points made sense. And yours is a fair extra factor. It's like how the MCU can't have emotional, vulnerable moments without undermining them immediately with a joke. Like they don't have the confidence to let the audience connect emotionally.
Worst part about this type of writing is that all characters TALK THE SAME. Having one is fine, if your other cast is (lol) diverse. However to these people diverse is different colors of people that all act exactly the same. So fun and creative.
Yeah. Like Marvel films worked when Iron Man was making quips and jokes but almost everyone else took things relatively seriously. But because he was so popular, and his scenes were considered the best of the Avengers films everyone had to start doing it.
@@bob1986 it worked for iron man because tony did actually go through some serious shit was nearly killed multiple times. was kidnapped in a cave and forced to make weapons or be killed then eventually died by paying the ultimate price. So in alot of ways tony earned that right to be snarky and snappy, millenial side haircut character with nose ring however did not.
Marvel movies are indeed to blame for the trend, but I also think Diablo Cody and her Juno scriptwriting were probably one of the first instances to popularise this. A lot of self inserts, cursing for nothing and everybody just has to be witty and sarcastic to cringe levels all the time.
@@Daniel__Nobre Diablo Cody, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I agree with you, and I would like to point that both her and MCU started around the same time, around 2007-2008.
@@amadeusagripino6862 Oh that makes sense. I don't know why I thought the successful Marvel movies/universe came later, thanks for pointing it out. So it can well be a kind of generational thing/trend :D
One thing I've noticed about Millennial Writing, is that it tends to be ironic, in an lame attempt to be seen as funny and good.
Of course, this irony in truth, genuinely stems from the Writers own insecurities in the fact that they can't take their own writing seriously. So they're craving for validation from YOU, the Player, to say their "Ironic" writing is good and funny writing.
Sincerity requires vulnerability and openness, which is why it's scary to some people. Irony is easy.