@@dalton7726 But the media acts like he is. NBA media and a huge chunk of fans crying if Trae misses All-Star game and/ or All-NBA selections. Not saying all the media or fans are doing this, but Trae is treated like a super-max player in large quarters.
7:21 how is trae overrated when everyone says hes overrated? Doesnt really make since. Trae is literally elected "most overrated " in the nba player poll damn near every year
No mention of the injuries… no mention of that much improved defense that gave up 130 plus to the Lakers after beating to Clippers the game before. You can’t oversimplify what happened to the Hawks season and say the hawks played better without Trae… that means they also played better defense without Sadie Bey and Hunter when they missed games. The issue is the hawks are poorly constructed and since that 2021 run the front office has been shedding salary rather than improve the roster
The Trae Young hate needs to stop fr. “Oh he’s a bad defender” he’s 6’0 and built like a stick, “Oh he’s inefficient” he’s 6’0 and built like a stick “Oh he can’t finish at the rim” again he’s 6’0 and built like a stick. Hes giving you 28 ppg on solid efficient while also adding a boost of playmaking to any team he’s on. His deficiency as a player are out of his control when your built like him you can only do so much
That's called being overrated. He has no D. He is small. He gets those numbers because he has to. The Hawks kinda suck. Put him on a winning team and those numbers drop drastically. I don't care for his decisions either. He would be a good back up for a title contender and that's about it. You can't play him in meaningful minutes in the playoffs. He just isn't a winner or a dog. Trade him
@@carter5377 fuck no? Why would minessota, the best defensive team in the NBA need this bum? He is his ideal situation where he can sit there and put up all these empty stats and play no defense. If im minessota im happy with Conley over him
If you have to choose between Dejounte Murray and Trae Young, you'd be crazy not to choose Trae Young. People have completely forgotten just how good Trae was before DJ joined the Hawks.
Ik man, NBA fans are so strange because it's like they can't see a players whole career timeline, they just forgot that this dude averaged 30 and 9 in his second season. Can't find an offensive talent with his confidence.
@@Yute01yeah things change because player and coaches learn how to defend and play your skills….Trea is inefficient. Not to mention smaller players have it harder, especially if efficiency is low.
I just don't understand why they won't put the right players around him instead of allowing him to go to a team that has players that he can win a championship with. Dumb ownership and GM. You shouldn't use the word "overrated" or underrated on no player. It's takes a team to win a championship. Comradery win championship.
There is really a minimum height requirement to be a good defender in the NBA. Imagine if Caruso was taller. Trae is simply too small even if he gave 110%. He has to be surrounded by elite defenders.
I kinda see what ur saying but at times trae young gives NO effort and just lets his man get past him, height can only be an excuse so much at some point it has to fall upon the player as well
Trae Young right now is what KAT was in like 2018-2019. A guy who puts up good numbers on a bad team and can't get it done in the playoffs. But people treat him like he's a franchise player when he's not which is why people think he's overrated. Just like KAT, Trae is a 1B type player not a 1A even if he gets 1A treatment.
Nall I disagree so quick when we forget. Boston got em as a one seed, Miami got him as a two seed. He went to a conference finals as a five seed and should a had a finals appearance if not for a referee tripping him. In Trae career he’s been all nba should a been been all nba his second season which was the most successful sophomore season in nba history 30 & 10 never been done. He lead the ncaa in points and assists never been done. Then did it in year four in his nba career only the big O did that.He leads the nba in assists since being drafted, 30 point games since being drafted, 30& 10 games since being drafted. Ice Trae so cold there changed the rules and still couldn’t stop him. Look at the game Brunson playing like Trae foul baiting and being applauded for it & receiving the calls Trae don’t get.. Don’t follow the bs narrative get some eyes. Luka playing like dogshit and yall championing that bs. Luka and Kyrie didn’t make the playin last year and they didn’t say ish about Luka weak , they need a reset. Them folks yall talking about ain’t lead the league in ish.. He’s the Hawks franchise assist leader already and top four in points already. He’s going to be a top ten scorer and top five assists man all time. You don’t trade that. You figure the other ish out and this organization has failed him miserably. If Trae don’t twist his ankles the Hawks are nba champs already and the narrative is very different. He'd been an allstar and all nba since then.
This quite literally a false statement. Trae Young made the playoffs 3 straight seasons including an ECF appearance and is 26 and 9 in the playoffs including being 3/3 on game winning shots in the post season. Also led the NBA in total points and assists and then led the NBA in assists again. How exactly is that like KAT?
This is why athletes are often advised not to read media outlets, i'm not even getting into it... If watch them again and again means they're doing something that is both enjoyable to watch, and different. The boy is no doubt a franchise player, but being the NBA there are a good few that just go about the business spectacularly too, but for my money he is All-Star material without a doubt.
Thank you! I've been saying for a while that Young's hype and success comes from the league trying to make him the next Curry. The guy only takes 30 percent of his shots within 10 feet and is always amongst the league leaders in free throws.
Great take as always Jamal! The league is changing and we're seeing less value placed on offense-only players. It's happening on multiple teams throughout the league - for Bulls fans, it happened with Zach Lavine, and it's happening with Trae Young too. Trae is a very talented offensive player, that's a true statement. However, that's just not enough in an evolving league where mismatches are so heavily targeted and defensive liabilities are abused, particularly in high stakes games and playoff series. When Trae was injured, the Hawks came in and rocked the Bulls with fast pace, ball movement, and team play. When Bulls fans heard Trae was back for the play-in, they rejoiced, because they knew it would equal a dub, and it did. Sure, his offensive talent is valuable, and maybe in the right situation he could continue to impact winning at the rate that some people expect. But right now, I would argue that he's a net negative - he's one of the league's worst defenders, and while offensively talented, the poor shot selection and high usage reduce that offensive impact and that's why you end up with a situation where the Hawks play better and more cohesively as a unit as soon as he exits the lineup. The era of offense-only superstars is slowly fading away. The only offense-only players who can claim the superstar title are the absolute top echelon of players in the entire world (KD, Jokic, Luka, etc.). Two-way players are the future of the superstar - Giannis, Embiid, Tatum, Wemby, SGA, etc. - this shift is slow, but it's definitely happening, and seeing players like Trae Young/Zach Lavine's stocks at an all-time low is evidence of it.
Bullshit Brunson Haliburnton Luka Ja SGA Don’t be a fool you don’t trade Future hof you build around them. The franchises that want a chip are gonna trade for him. Lakers Heat Spurs teams that a synonymous with championships , it’s the narrative of Atlanta the Falcons are for the first time ever feel like a championship ran type organization but since it’s the Falcons the media hates the scenario. The Hawks need to go all in on KD, AD,Embid and give Trae a great front court player the rest a sort it self out.
@@ItsKillaBouie "If my aunt had stones, she'd be my uncle" - Charles Barkley. Y'all just saying irrelevant stuff, if this didn't happen, if that wouldn't have happened, this would've happened, all of this kind of discourse means absolutely nothing.
@urbaindelva7869 Trae wasn't fully healthy against the Bulls, and the Heat give Steph Curry problems, as well as damn near any other pg. It's the way their defense is orchestrated. Super physical team.
Your point about two star points on the floor at once not making sense is why I didn't much buy Scoot to the Hornets last (nothing against Scoot). I don't know that Trae is overrated more than he needs a better system and roster fit.
Scoot didn't go to Hornets, so it's pretty futile to speculate about his performance there paired with LaMelo. All we can safely say is Scoot largely wasn't ready as a rookie to run the floor for Portland.
I don't think Scoot and Melo would have worked together either, but they still could have drafted him and traded to get some value. It's kind of moot anyway though because Brandon Miller has been a solid pick up for them
@@And.One.Hoops1 I understand that POV. Worked out for everyone. I don't know that I could have wrapped my head around potentially trading Melo at the time.
I don’t think overrated is the right synopsis towards his career. Trae was always an elite second option due to his height anyways, but Atlanta NEVER gave him an elite BIG man. Even if him and Murray worked out better as a duo it wasn’t gonna be enough. Trae has shown he can be impactful in the right situations but he’s always been a number 2 for Championship contenders
The media and you are blind. To what it takes to win. Forcing Trae to pass the ball instead of shooting cause him to force passes. Luka and others are allowed to play their game and don't play defense when they are not forced to play defense. You can win a championship with the right players around him. Let Trae be respected as the all-star he is in the locker room and in the game. He is the only real all-star on the team. DJ reserve all star don't count. Trae 3 team NBA stats can change with better players around him.
His efficiency has dipped, having to share the rock with another pg, which tends to happen in a 2 pg offense. Get the right players around him and move Murray for a better fit and Trae and the team with shine.
Truth be told, you cannot have it all. Either you have a top score, a top defensive player, or something in between on both sides. There is no single player who is a top player on both sides of the court, neither has been for sometime. Kobe himself, was a beast of a player as a score, but it was a descent, yes, a descent defensive player, by no means an elite one. So Trae is one of the best offensive players in the league. He is that good. He's the type of player you can build around, by surrounding him with good defensive players. He's also one of the best PGs, reads the court great and shares the rock like few. So please let's us stop the biased hate towards him..he's a superstar, straight and square. Oh, and to say a small player like him, who dominated in College, and continues to dominate in the NBA as an elite score and passer is overrated, is simply stupid. He has not the gifts of 6'5 and above players and still is one of the best
@madxD144 His game doesn't need to change. He became an elite player in the midst of his rookie year. But since Dejounte arrived, Trae has played some of his worst basketball because he's been trying to mesh with Dejounte's game. The same goes for Dejounte. That's why the Hawks have a losing record when both of them play.
Weak take. Trae had the best sophomore season in NBA HISTORY LOOK IT UP. He also leads the league in points and assists . He also leads his team to the nba conference finals which would a been a finals appearance had he not twisted his ankle. Funny how the nba fate can be changed by the simplest things.. Trae isn’t the problem. The hawks never gave him a good big and Snyder ain’t that guy plain and simple. If you not going to play defense Dantoni is the coach for Trae plain and simple..
Just found out about your channel, I enjyo the way you talk about things, no unnecessary emotional stuff :) Anyways I never liked the word overrated, because people spin it so far all the time :D But I feel like Trae unfortunately makes the team look less alive, more stagnant and him and DJ have literally almost no synergy at all. Agreed with your points and I am anxious to see how this all ends :)
His team is not worse when he’s on the court. You’ve not looked at the cast around him or the second unit that can’t keep leads when he leaves the game. Do better in your research before regurgitating bs sports media speaks.
The Magic are a team I'd keep an eye on, they can't even score 90 points rn and desperately need some shooting. I'm thinking Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, and picks for Young. I could also see the Magic throwing a bag at Klay this offseason as well.
*Correction the Hawks FO thought Luka was the better player it was Idiotic Tony Ressler who made the deal to switch the 3rd pick to the 5th and that’s why our franchise continues to be a joke to this day because our owner makes decisions and has no clue what he’s doing.
Hey man! Do you have any idea how expensive hair plugs are!? Trae Young does and that's worth missing the playoffs lmao No, your right, it's just the Hawks are in a hell of a spot because if they move on Young what could they get for him really? 3 first rounders? But, to who and why? I mean you would create a Lillard-Bucks problem on any team you trade him to (probable worse). The Magic is the only team that might be able to survive his deficiency, but still.
If he gets traded to the Lakers and Lakers somehow keep vando,reddish,tp,wood,hayes,dinwiddie and they get buldenholzer as the new coach that's a championship if they remain healthy. Possibly sign otto Porter jr to a vet min. Lakers starting 5 would be Trae,TP,Bron,Vando, and AD. Bench would be Dinwiddie, Reddish,otto Porter jr,Wood,Hayes.
Trae Young is the worst defensive player in the NBA. He is not and has never been a "super" star. He is a good, top 20 offensive player, but overall he is a below average player given he make his four teammates far worse as they all have to cover for him defensively. Add in his mediore shooting the past few years, what EXACTLY is special about Trae Young? He should be a sixth man, so when (not often) he's hot shooting, he can bring a team back from a double-digit defecit. The Murray trade failed and while I wasn't against it, it sure seemed to be a BIG overpay for another non superstar player. The Hawks need to full rebuild, try to get back a couple of first picks for the two players and find real NBA PG that can play on both ends of the floor. If they have to choose between them, it's an easy choice, trade Young to another chump team that sees his occasional slick pass or 30' three point shot, only to ignore the horrible defense and overall poor shooting numbers.
The statistics on Trae young does not show accurate statistics. Trae does not play well during the times opponents were in their territorial basketball court. Lakers playing in la and their star player is James let Bron. Of course Trae can not play well. it is centers team mates of Trae who should all be ban from nba. The tall players were not playing well with pre meditations. The tall players planned not to play well and planned to have it all blamed on Trae young. Emill.
Trae is a star, and I think that it's unfair to put all of the Hawks' struggles on him. However, he is nowhere near good enough to lead a team to prosperity. The question is, who or what will they get for him if they do trade him? The Hawks' front office doesn't have a glowing record with trades. Also, Idk about building around Murray. Despite the positives that you mentioned about his impact, he isn't that much better than Trae. They should consider trading both.
you used the word superstar to describe trae young multiple times in this video. that is a word he is nowhere near deserving. he is a good player with some severe deficiencies. he isnt well rounded at all. a few skills he excels at with many others he struggles to do. he is one of those players like harden or embiid or chris paul who will give you great numbers and stat pad their whole career but never win anything no matter who you put around them. he is a guy that belongs on bad to average teams to give their fans a reason to turn up and watch the game so the hawks are the perfect spot
Never have been impressed by volume scorers who take a zillion shots to get it. Scoring 30-35 is only good when your under 25 shots snd do it efficiently. Scoring 35 with 30 shots is trash. 43% garbage i see all the time. Also player shave their numbers inflsted because rheyre rhebonly good player on the team so they have the green light to take 40 shots. Like harden in houston or beal in nwashington.. of course they look good they take all the shots snd sre the only decent player on the team. But in reality theyre just sbove average and not a superstar..
If i was ATL I would not build around him. Hes a flashy role player who cant play D. Hes to small to just use his size on defense to make up for his lack of prowess on that end. He makes questionable mistakes often. He scores like he does because who else is going to do it on that team. He would be better on a team with a bigger guy whos gonna drive the team. He can ride shot gun tho lol. I think Spurs or Magic would be better for him. Atlanta needs to much for him to be a winner there. If he wants to win hes gotta go from the hawks. Hes not a bad player he just has to many weaknesses to make him that guy
Someone needs to show this dude's the Hawks net/offensive/defensive rating when Trae is on the court vs. when Dejounte is on the court. No idea why you'd say they're better without Trae or when he's not on the floor because it's the complete opposite. You're spreading misinformation.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l You just said a whole lot of nothing. Trae's net rating/offensive and defensive rating) on the court without Dejounte on the court was significantly better than Dejounte's net rating/offensive and defensive rating on the court without Trae on the court. Has nothing to do with Trae being injured for part of the season.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l I'd put it into context if you weren't blatantly lying lmao. "Half the team" was out, really? You're acting like they were the Memphis Grizzlies. When Trae was out, their starting lineup was the exact same. Jalen Johnson missed some games during that time, but that's it. He missed more games when Trae was playing throughout the season. Trae has spent the majority of his career playing with some of the same players and comparable players to what Dejounte was playing with during that time when Trae was out. And you're arguing with my initial comment which states claiming they're better without Trae is ridiculous, by saying "well Dejounte spent some of the season playing without Trae" ok so if they're better without Trae, then shouldn't that make them better during that stretch? Shouldn't that make them better with Dejounte on the court without Trae? But now you're saying he didn't have a player who apparently makes them worse which is why his net rating was worse than Trae's when he was on the court without Dejounte. Newsflash, that makes zero sense. The point is the idea that the Hawks are better without Trae is actually laughable and factually incorrect based on stats. That's all.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l I mean idek what to say at this point because you're clearly living in your own fantasy world not based in reality. None of what you're saying is true. You can easily go check who played for the Hawks while Trae was injured, it's not hard. Either way have a good life, no point in continuing this convo.
You’re not lying… I’d trade him for Jimmy Butler & a couple first rounders. With the first pick & FA around the corner something can really be built atm
How is he overrated if everybody dislikes him 💀
Because the media acts like he’s a star
@@And.One.Hoops1he’s not a star??? Lmfao
@@And.One.Hoops1 They do the same with DeAaron Fox who's on a similar trajectory
@@dalton7726 But the media acts like he is. NBA media and a huge chunk of fans crying if Trae misses All-Star game and/ or All-NBA selections.
Not saying all the media or fans are doing this, but Trae is treated like a super-max player in large quarters.
@@And.One.Hoops1 he is star it just this team is flaw from ground up
7:21 how is trae overrated when everyone says hes overrated? Doesnt really make since. Trae is literally elected "most overrated " in the nba player poll damn near every year
The Hawks are a sub .500 team with Trae Young. Trae Young is extremely overrated.
The context here "overrated" is not about what people say he is but his status and role in the team.
@@wandameadows5736 dawg his team is trash
Look up how many players were in that poll of the overrated votes. It was not the whole league
No mention of the injuries… no mention of that much improved defense that gave up 130 plus to the Lakers after beating to Clippers the game before. You can’t oversimplify what happened to the Hawks season and say the hawks played better without Trae… that means they also played better defense without Sadie Bey and Hunter when they missed games. The issue is the hawks are poorly constructed and since that 2021 run the front office has been shedding salary rather than improve the roster
The 1 year he had a component and healthy roster they almost made the finals
Because Julius Randle was absolute dog shit and Embiid and Simmons choked harder then abella danger
Fluke
In hindsight, you could argue that the teams they beat underperformed more than they stepped up.
@@urbaindelva7869 he put up 30 and 11 on 42% from 3 in that run he was the needle mover. And he just turned 25 tons of Time f
@@4ktkaram395Tons of time for him to keep being just okay
The Trae Young hate needs to stop fr. “Oh he’s a bad defender” he’s 6’0 and built like a stick, “Oh he’s inefficient” he’s 6’0 and built like a stick “Oh he can’t finish at the rim” again he’s 6’0 and built like a stick. Hes giving you 28 ppg on solid efficient while also adding a boost of playmaking to any team he’s on. His deficiency as a player are out of his control when your built like him you can only do so much
That's called being overrated. He has no D. He is small. He gets those numbers because he has to. The Hawks kinda suck. Put him on a winning team and those numbers drop drastically. I don't care for his decisions either. He would be a good back up for a title contender and that's about it. You can't play him in meaningful minutes in the playoffs. He just isn't a winner or a dog. Trade him
Wah wah wah
Leader of turnovers. Bricks 65% of his logo threes which lead to high score fast break losses.
He needs to be in a structured organization with defensive studs around him. The Heat would be a great fit IMO.
No he sucks
Problem is Herro plays the same role already
MN would be the best fit.
@@carter5377 fuck no? Why would minessota, the best defensive team in the NBA need this bum? He is his ideal situation where he can sit there and put up all these empty stats and play no defense. If im minessota im happy with Conley over him
@@taxationistheft7 I said MN is the best fit for trae, not the other way around. As a Minnesota fan, we don't need a repeat of Dlo lmfao.
If you have to choose between Dejounte Murray and Trae Young, you'd be crazy not to choose Trae Young. People have completely forgotten just how good Trae was before DJ joined the Hawks.
Ik man, NBA fans are so strange because it's like they can't see a players whole career timeline, they just forgot that this dude averaged 30 and 9 in his second season. Can't find an offensive talent with his confidence.
@@Yute01yeah things change because player and coaches learn how to defend and play your skills….Trea is inefficient. Not to mention smaller players have it harder, especially if efficiency is low.
@@Yute01He’s still a good player but he need to learn to be better and/or coaches use him better and front office builds around him properly
I am crazy then
People completely forgot the gather-step league changed rules bc of his foul baiting
I just don't understand why they won't put the right players around him instead of allowing him to go to a team that has players that he can win a championship with. Dumb ownership and GM. You shouldn't use the word "overrated" or underrated on no player. It's takes a team to win a championship. Comradery win championship.
There is really a minimum height requirement to be a good defender in the NBA. Imagine if Caruso was taller. Trae is simply too small even if he gave 110%. He has to be surrounded by elite defenders.
I kinda see what ur saying but at times trae young gives NO effort and just lets his man get past him, height can only be an excuse so much at some point it has to fall upon the player as well
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Trae Young right now is what KAT was in like 2018-2019. A guy who puts up good numbers on a bad team and can't get it done in the playoffs. But people treat him like he's a franchise player when he's not which is why people think he's overrated. Just like KAT, Trae is a 1B type player not a 1A even if he gets 1A treatment.
Nall I disagree so quick when we forget.
Boston got em as a one seed, Miami got him as a two seed.
He went to a conference finals as a five seed and should a had a finals appearance if not for a referee tripping him.
In Trae career he’s been all nba should a been been all nba his second season which was the most successful sophomore season in nba history 30 & 10 never been done.
He lead the ncaa in points and assists never been done.
Then did it in year four in his nba career only the big O did that.He leads the nba in assists since being drafted, 30 point games since being drafted, 30& 10 games since being drafted.
Ice Trae so cold there changed the rules and still couldn’t stop him.
Look at the game Brunson playing like Trae foul baiting and being applauded for it & receiving the calls Trae don’t get..
Don’t follow the bs narrative get some eyes.
Luka playing like dogshit and yall championing that bs.
Luka and Kyrie didn’t make the playin last year and they didn’t say ish about Luka weak , they need a reset.
Them folks yall talking about ain’t lead the league in ish..
He’s the Hawks franchise assist leader already and top four in points already.
He’s going to be a top ten scorer and top five assists man all time.
You don’t trade that.
You figure the other ish out and this organization has failed him miserably.
If Trae don’t twist his ankles the Hawks are nba champs already and the narrative is very different. He'd been an allstar and all nba since then.
This quite literally a false statement. Trae Young made the playoffs 3 straight seasons including an ECF appearance and is 26 and 9 in the playoffs including being 3/3 on game winning shots in the post season. Also led the NBA in total points and assists and then led the NBA in assists again. How exactly is that like KAT?
No Trae can get it done during the playoffs he owned the Knicks and almost made the Finals and he did that with no other star
Good numbers? Try again. The percentages Young has been shooting is anything but good.
Trae Young is much watch TV. Skill, heart and IQ.
This is why athletes are often advised not to read media outlets, i'm not even getting into it... If watch them again and again means they're doing something that is both enjoyable to watch, and different. The boy is no doubt a franchise player, but being the NBA there are a good few that just go about the business spectacularly too, but for my money he is All-Star material without a doubt.
Perfectly said
Correct 100%
He’s a star u be having some crazy Trae takes😂 love the channels tho
Trae Young is an offensive engine by himself. Get a good backup PG and then everyone else should be a rim running big or 3/D. Then they'd be fine.
Not getting anyone with his contract eating the salary
Not a hawks fan but this is crazy, if he was in a really good defensive team he would flourish.
Thank you! I've been saying for a while that Young's hype and success comes from the league trying to make him the next Curry. The guy only takes 30 percent of his shots within 10 feet and is always amongst the league leaders in free throws.
Murray is a cone of a defender if u watch the games he doesn’t try on that side
Do you even watch hawks games
@@kiccz39 yes he has regressed like crazy since his San Antonio days u clearly not tapped in wit the A
@@4ktkaram395 i watch all the hawks game and yeah i agree hes regressed, but to say he doesnt even try on defense is a crazy statement
If anyone on the hawks doesnt "try on defense" it's trae
@@kiccz39 coby white gave him 40 on national television 😂
Great take as always Jamal! The league is changing and we're seeing less value placed on offense-only players. It's happening on multiple teams throughout the league - for Bulls fans, it happened with Zach Lavine, and it's happening with Trae Young too.
Trae is a very talented offensive player, that's a true statement. However, that's just not enough in an evolving league where mismatches are so heavily targeted and defensive liabilities are abused, particularly in high stakes games and playoff series.
When Trae was injured, the Hawks came in and rocked the Bulls with fast pace, ball movement, and team play. When Bulls fans heard Trae was back for the play-in, they rejoiced, because they knew it would equal a dub, and it did.
Sure, his offensive talent is valuable, and maybe in the right situation he could continue to impact winning at the rate that some people expect. But right now, I would argue that he's a net negative - he's one of the league's worst defenders, and while offensively talented, the poor shot selection and high usage reduce that offensive impact and that's why you end up with a situation where the Hawks play better and more cohesively as a unit as soon as he exits the lineup.
The era of offense-only superstars is slowly fading away. The only offense-only players who can claim the superstar title are the absolute top echelon of players in the entire world (KD, Jokic, Luka, etc.). Two-way players are the future of the superstar - Giannis, Embiid, Tatum, Wemby, SGA, etc. - this shift is slow, but it's definitely happening, and seeing players like Trae Young/Zach Lavine's stocks at an all-time low is evidence of it.
Bullshit
Brunson
Haliburnton
Luka
Ja
SGA
Don’t be a fool you don’t trade Future hof you build around them.
The franchises that want a chip are gonna trade for him.
Lakers
Heat
Spurs teams that a synonymous with championships , it’s the narrative of Atlanta the Falcons are for the first time ever feel like a championship ran type organization but since it’s the Falcons the media hates the scenario.
The Hawks need to go all in on KD, AD,Embid and give Trae a great front court player the rest a sort it self out.
The hawks going to the conference finals was such a fluke
No. The Bucks winning it all was the fluke.
@@bigowiththejam4333if KD ain’t have big feet, the bucks ain’t winning them that series
@@ItsKillaBouie "If my aunt had stones, she'd be my uncle" - Charles Barkley. Y'all just saying irrelevant stuff, if this didn't happen, if that wouldn't have happened, this would've happened, all of this kind of discourse means absolutely nothing.
No one wants to see a fully healthy Trae young
Lol good joke
Tell that to the Heat 2 years ago, and the Bulls last week.
@urbaindelva7869 Trae wasn't fully healthy against the Bulls, and the Heat give Steph Curry problems, as well as damn near any other pg. It's the way their defense is orchestrated. Super physical team.
nobody cares that much no one is impress that much nor fear his talent. my be you do but not many.
He should've been on the bench under Steve Kerr learning the ways of the Curry Master.
Your point about two star points on the floor at once not making sense is why I didn't much buy Scoot to the Hornets last (nothing against Scoot). I don't know that Trae is overrated more than he needs a better system and roster fit.
Scoot didn't go to Hornets, so it's pretty futile to speculate about his performance there paired with LaMelo.
All we can safely say is Scoot largely wasn't ready as a rookie to run the floor for Portland.
I don't think Scoot and Melo would have worked together either, but they still could have drafted him and traded to get some value. It's kind of moot anyway though because Brandon Miller has been a solid pick up for them
@@And.One.Hoops1 I understand that POV. Worked out for everyone. I don't know that I could have wrapped my head around potentially trading Melo at the time.
25ppg and 10apg and you're considered overrated? You're a bandwagon.
Empty stats
I don’t think overrated is the right synopsis towards his career. Trae was always an elite second option due to his height anyways, but Atlanta NEVER gave him an elite BIG man. Even if him and Murray worked out better as a duo it wasn’t gonna be enough. Trae has shown he can be impactful in the right situations but he’s always been a number 2 for Championship contenders
The media and you are blind. To what it takes to win. Forcing Trae to pass the ball instead of shooting cause him to force passes. Luka and others are allowed to play their game and don't play defense when they are not forced to play defense. You can win a championship with the right players around him. Let Trae be respected as the all-star he is in the locker room and in the game. He is the only real all-star on the team. DJ reserve all star don't count. Trae 3 team NBA stats can change with better players around him.
His efficiency has dipped, having to share the rock with another pg, which tends to happen in a 2 pg offense. Get the right players around him and move Murray for a better fit and Trae and the team with shine.
Truth be told, you cannot have it all. Either you have a top score, a top defensive player, or something in between on both sides.
There is no single player who is a top player on both sides of the court, neither has been for sometime.
Kobe himself, was a beast of a player as a score, but it was a descent, yes, a descent defensive player, by no means an elite one.
So Trae is one of the best offensive players in the league. He is that good. He's the type of player you can build around, by surrounding him with good defensive players. He's also one of the best PGs, reads the court great and shares the rock like few.
So please let's us stop the biased hate towards him..he's a superstar, straight and square.
Oh, and to say a small player like him, who dominated in College, and continues to dominate in the NBA as an elite score and passer is overrated, is simply stupid. He has not the gifts of 6'5 and above players and still is one of the best
If you're a Hawks fan its simple... stop listening to haters and clowns, enjoy your team, move on with life ❤
I would trade Young just because he has more value
Saying the Hawks played better with Trae out just shows you were not watching those games. It was bad
Did you see their defensive rating when he was out of the line-up?
my god never talk about basketball again
Nah I’ll keep doing my thing, thanks
Trae Young is the guard version of Ayton, his game has not change when he was a rookie
Insanely disrespectful.
@@bigowiththejam4333 has his game changed?
@madxD144 His game doesn't need to change. He became an elite player in the midst of his rookie year. But since Dejounte arrived, Trae has played some of his worst basketball because he's been trying to mesh with Dejounte's game. The same goes for Dejounte. That's why the Hawks have a losing record when both of them play.
Weak take.
Trae had the best sophomore season in NBA HISTORY LOOK IT UP.
He also leads the league in points and assists .
He also leads his team to the nba conference finals which would a been a finals appearance had he not twisted his ankle.
Funny how the nba fate can be changed by the simplest things..
Trae isn’t the problem.
The hawks never gave him a good big and Snyder ain’t that guy plain and simple.
If you not going to play defense Dantoni is the coach for Trae plain and simple..
@@jamillionzacharia1818 wow he lead the lead, and didn't result to anything, seems familiar
Trae better than most pgs
Just found out about your channel, I enjyo the way you talk about things, no unnecessary emotional stuff :) Anyways I never liked the word overrated, because people spin it so far all the time :D But I feel like Trae unfortunately makes the team look less alive, more stagnant and him and DJ have literally almost no synergy at all. Agreed with your points and I am anxious to see how this all ends :)
Glad to hear my man! Welcome to the channel!
and yet made the ECF. ill take overrated over properly rated.
Fluke run
@@And.One.Hoops1so if Bron get swept this year, don’t say it fluke cause it’s back 2 back years
His team is not worse when he’s on the court. You’ve not looked at the cast around him or the second unit that can’t keep leads when he leaves the game. Do better in your research before regurgitating bs sports media speaks.
Iverson situation. Small guy, big numbers, inefficient, one good lucky run and everyone thought he was good.
Pretty much sums it up
He was good at exposing the foul calls
Hawks should've just kept Luka man....
The Magic are a team I'd keep an eye on, they can't even score 90 points rn and desperately need some shooting. I'm thinking Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, and picks for Young. I could also see the Magic throwing a bag at Klay this offseason as well.
*Correction the Hawks FO thought Luka was the better player it was Idiotic Tony Ressler who made the deal to switch the 3rd pick to the 5th and that’s why our franchise continues to be a joke to this day because our owner makes decisions and has no clue what he’s doing.
28 & 10 is overrated when you have practically nothing around you? Bro, stop following stupid narratives 😂
Hey man! Do you have any idea how expensive hair plugs are!? Trae Young does and that's worth missing the playoffs lmao
No, your right, it's just the Hawks are in a hell of a spot because if they move on Young what could they get for him really? 3 first rounders? But, to who and why? I mean you would create a Lillard-Bucks problem on any team you trade him to (probable worse). The Magic is the only team that might be able to survive his deficiency, but still.
If he gets traded to the Lakers and Lakers somehow keep vando,reddish,tp,wood,hayes,dinwiddie and they get buldenholzer as the new coach that's a championship if they remain healthy. Possibly sign otto Porter jr to a vet min. Lakers starting 5 would be Trae,TP,Bron,Vando, and AD. Bench would be Dinwiddie, Reddish,otto Porter jr,Wood,Hayes.
He's a star, stop it
THIS GUY DOESNT KNOW JUST HOW GOOD TRAE YOUNG IS
Don't ever talk about my Pookie like this again 😡
And they say Trae = Luka 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
bro luka also dont play defence but nobody talk about that because he play in a good team that know how to defence if he didnt
Trae Young is Atlanta's Monta Ellis
Wow, that's actually a pretty apt comparison
Trae young is Boston Celtics Isiah Thomas not Chris Paul.
Trae Young is the worst defensive player in the NBA. He is not and has never been a "super" star. He is a good, top 20 offensive player, but overall he is a below average player given he make his four teammates far worse as they all have to cover for him defensively.
Add in his mediore shooting the past few years, what EXACTLY is special about Trae Young? He should be a sixth man, so when (not often) he's hot shooting, he can bring a team back from a double-digit defecit.
The Murray trade failed and while I wasn't against it, it sure seemed to be a BIG overpay for another non superstar player.
The Hawks need to full rebuild, try to get back a couple of first picks for the two players and find real NBA PG that can play on both ends of the floor.
If they have to choose between them, it's an easy choice, trade Young to another chump team that sees his occasional slick pass or 30' three point shot, only to ignore the horrible defense and overall poor shooting numbers.
Luka is 4 to too
Vocês não entendem nada de basquete, simplesmente ignoram o contexto merda em que ele está inserido!
Wow the top assist guard in the league is overrated and they defensive never improve those numbers were misleading at the most
He’s a fraud
The statistics on Trae young does not show accurate statistics. Trae does not play well during the times opponents were in their territorial basketball court. Lakers playing in la and their star player is James let Bron. Of course Trae can not play well. it is centers team mates of Trae who should all be ban from nba. The tall players were not playing well with pre meditations. The tall players planned not to play well and planned to have it all blamed on Trae young. Emill.
Look at all the crybaby Trae Bae's running up the check for a video they don't like lmao
you are a knicks fan😂😂😂
No, I'm a Bulls fan.....you know, the team that destroyed you guys in the play-in
bro you should go and watch another sport because you know nothing frr 😂
Nah, I'll keep doing my thing, thanks.
A terrible take
How is he overrated but got farther in the playoffs then Luka😂😂😂😂
Bruh luka also got to a conference finals😂😂
Where’s Mice Trae? Oh right, out of the playoffs 😂😂😂😂
Trae is a star, and I think that it's unfair to put all of the Hawks' struggles on him. However, he is nowhere near good enough to lead a team to prosperity. The question is, who or what will they get for him if they do trade him? The Hawks' front office doesn't have a glowing record with trades. Also, Idk about building around Murray. Despite the positives that you mentioned about his impact, he isn't that much better than Trae. They should consider trading both.
You. Do. Not. Know. Ball.
Trash take for sure
you used the word superstar to describe trae young multiple times in this video. that is a word he is nowhere near deserving. he is a good player with some severe deficiencies. he isnt well rounded at all. a few skills he excels at with many others he struggles to do. he is one of those players like harden or embiid or chris paul who will give you great numbers and stat pad their whole career but never win anything no matter who you put around them. he is a guy that belongs on bad to average teams to give their fans a reason to turn up and watch the game so the hawks are the perfect spot
he'd make such a perfect 6th man
Never have been impressed by volume scorers who take a zillion shots to get it. Scoring 30-35 is only good when your under 25 shots snd do it efficiently. Scoring 35 with 30 shots is trash. 43% garbage i see all the time. Also player shave their numbers inflsted because rheyre rhebonly good player on the team so they have the green light to take 40 shots. Like harden in houston or beal in nwashington.. of course they look good they take all the shots snd sre the only decent player on the team. But in reality theyre just sbove average and not a superstar..
agreed
If i was ATL I would not build around him. Hes a flashy role player who cant play D. Hes to small to just use his size on defense to make up for his lack of prowess on that end. He makes questionable mistakes often. He scores like he does because who else is going to do it on that team. He would be better on a team with a bigger guy whos gonna drive the team. He can ride shot gun tho lol. I think Spurs or Magic would be better for him. Atlanta needs to much for him to be a winner there. If he wants to win hes gotta go from the hawks. Hes not a bad player he just has to many weaknesses to make him that guy
Bulls betta also hi bulls central
100. Nailed it
Someone needs to show this dude's the Hawks net/offensive/defensive rating when Trae is on the court vs. when Dejounte is on the court. No idea why you'd say they're better without Trae or when he's not on the floor because it's the complete opposite. You're spreading misinformation.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l You just said a whole lot of nothing. Trae's net rating/offensive and defensive rating) on the court without Dejounte on the court was significantly better than Dejounte's net rating/offensive and defensive rating on the court without Trae on the court. Has nothing to do with Trae being injured for part of the season.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l I'd put it into context if you weren't blatantly lying lmao. "Half the team" was out, really? You're acting like they were the Memphis Grizzlies. When Trae was out, their starting lineup was the exact same. Jalen Johnson missed some games during that time, but that's it. He missed more games when Trae was playing throughout the season. Trae has spent the majority of his career playing with some of the same players and comparable players to what Dejounte was playing with during that time when Trae was out. And you're arguing with my initial comment which states claiming they're better without Trae is ridiculous, by saying "well Dejounte spent some of the season playing without Trae" ok so if they're better without Trae, then shouldn't that make them better during that stretch? Shouldn't that make them better with Dejounte on the court without Trae? But now you're saying he didn't have a player who apparently makes them worse which is why his net rating was worse than Trae's when he was on the court without Dejounte. Newsflash, that makes zero sense. The point is the idea that the Hawks are better without Trae is actually laughable and factually incorrect based on stats. That's all.
@user-nx3ot8zr2l I mean idek what to say at this point because you're clearly living in your own fantasy world not based in reality. None of what you're saying is true. You can easily go check who played for the Hawks while Trae was injured, it's not hard. Either way have a good life, no point in continuing this convo.
You’re not lying… I’d trade him for Jimmy Butler & a couple first rounders. With the first pick & FA around the corner something can really be built atm
Young thinks he's Steph/ AI. But he's more like D'Angelo Russell