Atheist Asks TOUGH Questions: EPIC Response! (Q&A)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Cliffe Knechtle takes a visit to Texas State University where answers some tough questions about Christianity and also clears up some common misconceptions.
Cliffe and his son Stuart have an amazing ministry and I highly recommend you check out his channel to learn about the Christian faith from a lens of reasonability and intellectual honesty. Here is a link to the full video I commentated on: • Give Me an Answer - Al...
Dr. Richard Swinburne on the Problem of Evil: • Dr. Richard Swinburne:...
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I love how Cliffe handles each scenario with a lot of kindness and you can really tell he cares and is listening to everything the students are saying. Props to the students in this video for being willing to speak up about their reservations with God and pursue the truth.
This is my first RUclips video about Christian stuff, and I've been hesitant to do this because I am worried that I might get caught up in chasing "things of this world" instead of chasing after the Lord, but so far it seems like this is the direction God is leading me so I'm going to continue with these videos.
If you found this video entertaining or informative, I'd love to hear from you in the comments below.
The fact that he got down on the knee to address the first young lady made me watch. Anybody with that level of respect for another human being can definitely have my attention.
Cheap body language trick
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Explain in detail please why is it cheap?@@les1brown939
@les1brown939 no, its called respect.
youre the cheap trick.
I’ve been watching Cliffs for 2 decades since I was in middle school. He was extremely influential to me coming back to a relationship with Jesus in my mid 20’s. A few years back my wife and I drove to his church in CT because I needed to shake the man’s hand and tell him thank you. He was so kind and prayed over my wife and I. Can’t wait to spend more time with him in Heaven one day...
You are fine as long as you don't read the Bible. One you see Yahweh's willingness to kill innocent children by the thousands , intentionally because their parents worship other Gods, show why it is still happening right now. You can ignore the OT like most Christians, but you are worshipping an evil that still happens right now. An archaic , violent religion based on fear.
I wished too see him also he seems like a very kind and great man.
@@oliver2001 he is! If you’re ever in CT, go visit his church.
That is so sweet 😊 It is my mission to go visit that church some day!
He's anything but kind, any debate I watch him in hes nothing only an angry rambling idiot that knows nothing only what he's read from a collection of ancient ramblings. Cliff has absolutely NO EVIDENCE that God is real than I do that Zeus is real.
Love how this guy literally physically got on the girl's level & spoke with her instead of down to her. That sort of small gesture goes a long way in honest discussions.
That's just being professional any counselor is going to do that if you're standing he'll stand with you if you're sitting lower than him he'll come down to your level fantastic way to approach people then they don't feel like you're looking down on them Lol
@@dalesteiner2380 It's supposed to be, but it's really not. Hardly anyone has any form of respect these days.
@@dalesteiner2380found the atheist
100% ❤❤❤
It is nice to see a young man not afraid to believe and claim God so publicly. God bless you that you stay on the right path.
He will! He is so brainwashed!
@@Jamestrent9 Your Cringe
This kid wont let him explain a single point before he changes the question.
he just want to impress everyone he's around to feed his EGO = Pride
Because he is not explaining anything that makes sense. No wonder the kid has questions. If good is subjective, and it is, so is evil.
@@barkerbikepirate4916 And yet good ISN'T subjective. It is objective because God made and is the definition of good. He made good. Good would not exist without Him. The simple fact that humans have the innate knowledge that murder is wrong, is the fact of goodness. That is our innate moral law and understanding that was given by God to us through free will. Now, Evil exists ALSO because of free will. Free will often overrides our innate understanding of what is right or wrong. That is the influence of Satan. Satan uses our free will and twists it in order to persuade us into forgetting about God's desire for our good lives and in turn, we hurt ourselves, the people around us, and God. That is called Sin. So, God made good which in turn, He made free will, and in turn of that, Satan, uses that free will against us and twists that goodness which God made into disobedience, and that is Sin. That is why there is good and evil in this world, because of Satan and free will.
@@Horrorscope.s Prove to me there isnt? I'll tell you how I know God exists, or at the very least, the supernatural exists. I would be physically dead if it weren't for Him, starting from my birth. I was rushed to the NICU due to complications, I had a torn artery in my head and the doctors told my parents that my survival would not happen. They prayed relentlessly and the morning after, the artery was healed. The doctors, who have had YEARS of training and expertise, who had graduated from the best schools in the nation, were baffled to say the least. Mind you, premature babies have a low survival rate and when added conflicts appear, the rate drops even more. Another example of God or the supernatural is that I have come out of serious depression without therapy, without help. I prayed relentlessly and whilst doing so, felt an immeasurable peace, the only thing i can describe it to is a hug. I can tell you that that sort of peace cannot come from anything else but God. Also, are you questioning whether God exists, or Jesus Christ? Though they are the same and are one, Jesus lived on the earth and was sent by God to save us from our sins.
@barkerbikepirate4916 correct if it's subjective but it's not good and evil is objective
I was worried this would be a typical, low effort reaction video.
I was wrong. I thoroughly enjoyed your commentary and actually felt like it added to the video !
God bless you Jaiden ! Keep up the good work bro !
Ethan that is such a huge compliment! I'm still trying to work out the kinks but man I appreciate it. Thank you for the encouragement brother.
@jaidenforrest Evil and suffering exists because it is a reflection of the ruler of this world. The devil showed Jesus the kingdoms of the world and all their glory and offered them to Jesus if He would fall to worship him. They belonged to the devil. And so the kingdom reflects its ruler. The kingdom of heaven is perfect..no death, sin, suffering, etc. It is a reflection of its ruler..a perfect God. When Jesus returns, he will establish his kingdom and destroy sin and death once and for all.
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The simplest answer to the second question is this: it wasn't just people and animals that feel the effects of the fall, but all of creation groans. My interpretation is the reason the Earth and everything in it suffers is because it is under man's dominion, his responsibility. The same way a man's decisions could destroy his own family, who may be blameless regarding his mistakes.
And because of man's sin, God had to kill animals to make clothes for them. And the ground was cursed, as man now had to work and sweat to till the earth. Weeds, and thorns, and killing, and death began in the animal kingdom. Some believe that man had to give the world to satan until a Perfect Sacrifice could take it back. Jesus is the Second Adam. He defeated death, the grave could not hold Him. A theme of Scripture is that Jesus would sit at the right hand of the Father until all His enemies are put under His feet. And the last enemy is death.
He speaks with so much compassion and truth. However he gained also respect by going down on one knee to be on her level and not talking down from standing up. 👍
Pastor Cliff absolutely rocks. He has a quick, sharp, well trained mind. I admire him greatly.
I find Jordan Peterson prospective quite fitting to answer the pain and suffering question.
There simply isn't value in good made in an all fair and just world. To do good, despite the possibility of evil, is what makes good actually virtuous and valuable.
To that, I would add: we are not called to fully understand God's plan. There's plenty of stuff I still don't understand. But if I were to fully grasp it all, I would then be God. Since I'm not, I just stopped trying to rely on my own understanding.
When I can't see the point in something, I put my trust in the Lord. Still, I ask him to open my eyes, allow me to understand and all .... but I trust him
What exactly do you think "made in the image" of an invisible God means?
@@2eleven40 in moral and spiritual image. I don't think it means we are his caricature.
Well said brother
I would say we are made to be imagers; meaning, we are made to be transformed into the image of God by way of the Son, Jesus Christ and upon receiving the Holy Spirit. From that moment on, we may better reflect God, His nature (the light and life of Christ) into a dark and dying world to bring about the birthing of the Kingdom of God, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
A concrete example of that is the great commission, as informed and sparked by the two greatest commandments: Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
Btw, the 'imager' terminology is not something I came up with. Dr. Michael Heiser referenced that a lot. God bless.
Just found your channel, and I’m really impressed. Was shocked you have only been a Christian a short time, you have a lot of wisdom and depth that many Christians don’t have for years. I am loving the videos you are picking to respond to and I love your responses and your research. Keep it up and I am going to look forward to watching many more videos from you! Thanks!
I am relatively new to listening to Cliff but I truly like his common sense approach to true faith in Christ. Thank you for introducing him to me. I pray God bless your ministry. It is good to see a young man like yourself seeking and sharing God the way you do. God Bless
I'm so glad to see someone of your age serving the Lord in spirit and in truth. May God bless the works of your hands, in Jesus Christ's mighty name. Amen and HalleluYah 🙏 🙌
Thank you Jesse! God bless you.
Iam not a fertilizer, Iam a child of the Most High God. Thank you Sir 🙏🙏 this is an impact ministry, our God guides your ministry.
You're dust and Dust you shall return you might to look up that verse.
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That’s referring to the flesh only. Not your spirit.
Romans 8:6-11
The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
Also people always quote the Old Testament but not the New Testament which is what you follow if you follow Christ. That’s why the New Testament was written in the first place.
You will be when you die
Respectfully, you ma’am, believe in a fairy tale.
Suffering makes you more compassionate towards others and ultimately brings you closer to God if understood in the light of faith. Jesus suffered more than anyone during his Passion. He showed such incredible love for us! 🙏🏻
Cliff is such an amazing evangelist and apologist. He challenges without being confrontational. Often he tries to get people to a place of common ground and then builds from there. His son Stuart does very well at following in his father's footsteps as well.
Agreed
I disagree, his arguments generally are filled with logical fallacies. The only thing he has over the people he talks to is his experience in doing this,most people that try to confront him probably just freeze inside and can't think straight, like the guy he talked with in the video. Instead of giving Cliff more leash, what he should have responded after Cliff said "How do you solve the problem of evil?" Is "The problem of evil is a problem of the inner consistency of Christianity, the problem is exclusive for Christianity".
The debate was over before it even began, for if one assumes evil, then one must assume good.
Pastor Cliff is always an enjoyment to listen to as he explains the Word very effectivly....as long as someone is open to listening. Great job in bringing your humbleness to the for front of how we all are as Christians are still needing to grow and be watchful of his Holy Spirit that speaks to our hearts through his word. Keep up the great work! Love in Christ!
I respect your beliefs, but personally I don’t think there’s anything after death. Life is meaningless.
I love you commentary Jaiden! Some of this may seem obvious to many but there are those who have not understood the depth of the of what Cliffe says. Thanks for making it even more clear to those who do not have the eyes or ears to see or hear the word of the Lord Jesus Christ. Praise God!
Chris dude I mad appreciate you writing this comment. Thank you for your encouragement brother, God bless you!
This answered a lot of questions for me. Not just the video, but your responses as well.
God bless🙏
Without listening to his words, look at his actions, kneeling down to speak to her. Amazing
I street preach in England and have for two years but I love this Pastor's replies to difficult questions. Compelling excellent video..thank you ❤
Good on you ❤
That's really awesome! Street Preachers do the hardest, sometimes most dangerous part, public outreach!!!
--But the question was not answered & I don't understand why?! It's very basic, & atheists have always enjoyed pointing out that this world is IMPERFECT. As if that's some Holy Grail of gotchas.
---The answer is so simple, it's one of the 1st things we teach our toddlers, it's Adam & Eve(along with Noah, the Crucifixion & the Resurrection, it's the foundation of Christianity)!
-->This is NOT the world God created for us, this world is TEMPORARY. This is Our 2nd chance!
--God is a perfect Father, that loves us all & He created a PERFECT WORLD FOR US.
--He put ALL knowledge of sin & desire into 1 tree amidst a plentiful garden & told us NOT to eat its fruit!
--The deceiver convinced Eve that God was withholding knowledge, so she'd eat from that TREE of WICKEDNESS. Adam joined her, together they TAINTED THEMSELVES with all the SIN & DESIRES that OUR FATHER had tried to spare us from. God HAD to exile us!
-->The Deceiver thought that would be the END of us completely, but God loves us & in His infinite wisdom He came up with a SOLUTION!!!
--God sent Christ to show us the way back to Our Father & back to that perfect world He meant for us.
--We contaminated ourselves for knowledge, so we had to be sent to this imperfect world to learn to work the land, learn to work together, learn the pains of childbirth.
--We have to LEARN TO ACCEPT GOD & LEARN TO RESIST TEMPTATION to MANAGE ALL of those SINFUL DESIRES that WE took into ourselves before we can return to God.
Well thats all i need to know.waste of semen.
Amen brother. I love seeing our young generation talking and walking with God❤️🩹🙏
this guy is a literal genius. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Agreed, Cliffe is great
@@jaidenforrestif god is everywhere then where is he when a priest is molesting a child inside his church?? where is god then.... gonahead ill wait
I’ve been watching Cliffs for 2 decades since I was in middle school. He was extremely influential to me coming back to a relationship with Jesus in my mid 20’s. A few years back my wife and I drove to his church in CT because I needed to shake the man’s hand and tell him thank you. He was so kind and prayed over my wife and I. Can’t wait to spend more time with him in Heaven one day...
Great content keep spreading the TRUTH ✝️💖
Thank you, I will
Thank you for sharing this brother! Keep strong in the faith too! 🙏
My suffering was prolonged due to my stubbornness, however, I would not have come to the Lord if is was not for that suffering. I agree that good comes from the pain and I would not trade my suffering for the world because it brought me to Jesus.
Guys I'm an old man. I've been through some difficult things in my life. I succeeded to overcome them with the bless of God Jesus Holly Spirit and Holly Mother. I'm going to orthodox church and talk with orthodox priests . I've watched videos from other churches, but the divinity you feel in an orthodox church one cannot describe
cliffe is the literal best. I dont think i've ever seen anyone talk to people like he does. And the people really listen too. Other people are way to confrontational but Cliffe is just a master at work. He has the holy spirit in him like no one i've ever seen on the street. Not just talking down to people, but reasoning with them with true logic and evidence. Fantastic man.
Also notice how cliffe doesnt use a speaker. He talks with the people, and levels with them. In this video he literally gets down on his knees to talk with that women. Whereas if you have a speaker, its basically the same thing as standing on a podium. And people automatically feel as though you're assuming you're more important than them. As they rightfully should. Because you're saying my voice needs to be heard. But cliffe just humbly speaks, and people humbly listen and debate with him. Its true gospel preaching at its finest.
He sustains everything around Him. No evil or suffering. When we go astray we bring that to ourselves.
Another very interesting video! I've been a Christian my whole life and the most interesting thing i find about the bible is that there's always something else to learn. Good luck on your journey, and to everyone else here to.
Thank you James. God bless you.
@jaidenforrest as Hindus in Hinduism we belive that they are many incarnations of God that God comes in many different incarnations. Keep in mind Hinduism is a pluralistic religion so I have no problems with Christians or any other religions because God reveals himself to different places and different cultures across the world.
I just discovered your channel and subscribed because of your honesty and openness about your faith. What helped me when I started having questions about the pain and suffering in the world was a short book (160ish pages) called "The Problem of Pain" by C.S. Lewis. He goes through the logical reasoning behind free will and why "God doesn't do anything." He also dedicates a chapter to animal pain. I hope you and anyone who reads this find this helpful, and I pray that you continue to grow in your faith. Seeing someone show their zeal for God on a public platform like this is truly inspiring.
Amazing video bro. I loved your commentary, great stuff. Keep up the work!
Dude thanks. It can feel like I'm stumbling around while trying to improve, so I really appreciate your encouragement.
@@jaidenforrest You’re totally good man, practice makes perfect. You’re already coming across as genuine and informative with what you understand, and honest about what you don’t. So long as you keep along that path, you’ll continue to grow. (:
@@MagicalFishy You're sweet man. Reading your comment brightened up my day.
You are very young,but you have one of the greatest channel on RUclips, I just subscribed to your channel,Thanks for constantly reviving our Faith.
Good job kid … keep up the good work with your podcast. I can tell you were raised with good morals. Your P’s did a great job. Great content
"No sir, you're not listening to me and I don't appreciate it."
That's how you talk when you mean it. Measured and kind, and direct. Some ideas just aren't easy.
Physical pain and emotional pain are not identical forms or severities of suffering.
Even with the challenges that some animals suffer, I believe humans have a unique capacity for experiencing and projecting suffering.
This is thanks to our ability to look into the future and the past and get well ahead of the immediacy of survival. IOW we have more time to suffer than most animals do.
Interesting thought. Thanks for helping me understand this Addison.
Hey Jaiden, thanks for sacrificing your time to make these videos. I’m actually walking a similar path to you. I’m 20 and I’ve also lived a life where I would had preferred not known God exists. Now I’ve truly given my life to God, I’ve been forgiven, and every day I fight to get closer with him and spread His word. I’m being called to Youth Ministry to help the youth of today not make the same mistakes I did. I am actually wanting to branch out into RUclips as well and you’re serving as an example of how I can do that. I pray that God continues to guide you and grow you. If you ever have time I’d love to speak with you, one of the biggest things I’m looking for now is someone my age who I can talk to intellectually, about the kingdom of God and His plan for us. God bless and merry Christmas 😊
"if anybody says 'God made me do it' they are a...?" I wish I had been there so I could have yelled out "a Calvinist!" lol
LOL
you made me laugh
Hahaha ha! Where's Leighton Flowers? 😄
ahhh a wesleyan
that's not what calvinism says but whatever
Suffering has led me to draw closer to God.
Suffering has made me more compassionate.
Suffering has chipped away at my pride and given me more patience.
Suffering lifts my hope for the day when we will all be without sin, in immortal, healthy bodies, and in God's presence.
"Suffering is God's megaphone to rouse a deaf world," according to CS Lewis.
His glasses, shirt, shorts and shoes don’t define goodness haha roasted his whole fit
Why does this guy keep debating about being good cliff is answering his question but he doesn't want to surrender to the answer. Cliff is doing a good job.
Jaiden
Thank you for all your videos. I have been watching all of you're video. I really appreciate them
This is called Biblical Apologetics. We need this in the church.
Nice video bro.
Kids questioning anything nowadays gives me hope because I thought this younger generation honestly as so since of self.
I’ve been watching so much of Cliff that the moment someone disagrees with him I already know they’re gonna ask “if there’s God why is there evil and suffering” that young man didn’t want the truth he just wanted to prove Cliff wrong and failed humble yourself and accept Jesus as your King
Many people sincerely do want to know, and we don't know the story behind him asking that question, but we do know everyone suffers. When we don't answer it with Scripture and rather intellectually appeal to people, that's not a seed of Scripture being planted. The answer is found in Genesis and repeated throughout Scripture because of what Adam and Eve did. He needed to explain what is sin and where it came from for them to understand what went wrong and why belief, repentance, submission and obedience is required.
Many people are sincerely asking that question, and very few people who claim to be of Christ know Scripture to give the answer. Paul said to study to show ourselves approved so we aren't put to shame but rather able to rightly divide the written Word. Consume His Body and drink His blood that you may be able to give His answer. ❤
Glad you are doing these videos. The Light of the World must be shone. Keep up the good work.
He does a great job at avoiding questions with fallacy after fallacy
You just don't understand?
@@trentfox1106 I assert that you don't understand.
what did he avoid?
He answers a question with another question plus explanation what is he avoiding?
@@giovanmorabonilla6400 answering a question with another question was his way of trying to get them to come to the conclusion themselves. for e.g. when he was saying that there needs to be a mind to create good (something along those lines), how i understood it at least was he was trying to get the guy to think "okay so good needs a mind to be created, that must meaning evil needs one too (coming from the conclusion that good and evil are opposites yet on the same basis if that makes sense) and seeming that we as humans through morals, norms and laws etc decide what we think is good and in that way create goodness, we by our actions and choices and God given free will have on earth created evil". however, seeming these people dont understand or better said dont know/dont believe what we christians believe in, i think it was better that he answered straight away that evil exists because of our choices rather than getting the guy to think for himself. i hope that makes sense (:
Excellent video young man! God bless you always.
The patient this gentleman has when trying to answer these questions is uncanny.
Thanks for this video it helped me remember that pain is a teaching agent and that God is the only one wise enough to use it for the good.
You are so welcome
and when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and ask him, good master, what shall i do that i may inherit eternal life? and yahshuah said unto him, why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, yhuuh.
Jaiden im surprised you've only got 29,000 subs compared to your average views, i like your channel mate keep up the good work
Mate I’m really enjoying your selection. Looking forward to more great content in the new year.
I love that he knelt down to her eye level, so he wouldn’t be speaking over and above her ✝️
God is eternal - he was he is and he is to come. Every action and Inaction releases a cascade of events - humans think in a 3 dimensional nature and try to fit God into this paradigm- the reality is he knows every combination and permitation that will lead to every eventuality and his decision to step back or intervene is not only for our individual growth but for that of the whole of humanity- he is providing the very best sequence of events for every soul to have a chance to be saved
@jaidenforrest you did a fantastic job on your video! I look forward to more content from you sir.
"The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make His face shine on you and be gracious to you. The Lord lift up His countenance upon you and be gracious to you." Numbers 6:24-26
Thank you for your encouragement Miller. That verse is comforting.
thanks Jaiden
keep yourself pure. don't let Satan fool you. and God will use your life
Evil exists because of free will.
Depending on which denomination you ask
Evil, in the simplest explanation, does not exist because of free will but because of sin. The Bible says:
Romans 3:23 …for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…
Why evil exists in the large format? Cliff says he doesn’t know and neither do I.
Yet God created it 🤔
@@dannyboyakadandaman504furl9 I wouldn’t go so far as to presume that God created it
Isaiah 45:7. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.@@colereece3902
My preacher just went over suffering yesterday. He said that God tests us to help us understand the faith that we think we have. If we think that we have a strong faith and God allows us to suffer it is a way of showing us exactly where we stand in our faith. He used Peter as an example. Peter was so sure that he would never deny Jesus and while Jesus was brought before the Pharisees Peter denied Him three times. He then realized his faith wasn't as strong as he thought it was. He allowed satan to torment Job to show just how incredible Job's faith in Him was. Suffering is to increase our strength and grow in Him.
Hey there 👋 Just came across your channel and this video, and wanted to say nice work 👌
God bless and I’ll see you in your next video, take care
Thank you for the encouragement brother. I'll see you in my next video as well! God bless you.
Great analyzations, my boy. Well done
We were supposed to care for the animals.
“Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground’” (Gen. 1:26).
When we get our acts together so will they.
“The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together; and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”(Isaiah 11:6-9)
I love your videos young man!! Keep doing God's will. I will be praying God blesses your ministry with double portions.
Good could exist outside of something being able to define it. That was not a good argument. And to tell someone that they are not being intellectually honest when there was no indication that the young man wasn’t being intellectually honest felt like a bully tactic. He didn’t back him in to an intellectual corner. He just defined good as an intellectual concept where the young man was defining it as an entity that could exist without a person to define it, just like Cliffe feels about God.
“Good” is a descriptor used by rational beings, our concept of good comes from our minds. Outside of our own perception, it cannot exist unless there is a mind that has made it to exist. That is why Cliffe said “good” without a “creator” or “ultimate mind” is simply moral relativism. Without God, I can decide what I think is good, based on my own flawed reasoning. Or you can. Or we can decide collectively what it is. But that can never in a million years define something as being OBJECTIVELY GOOD, in truth. Objective good can only exist if there exists an ultimate mind that decided objective good ought to exist. Objective good PRESUPPOSES the existence of God.
That wasn't the kid's point. To summarise, he was trying to say if good is created from our minds and is subjective to a common consensus, why could that not also be true of God?
If the human mind can create the concept of good, it could create the concept of a god.
I don't feel like the kid was intellectually cornered, he even respectfully agreed to disagree and tried to move on only to be accused of not being intellectually honest.
When he was saying,
"You're not listening to me and I don't like it."
What he was really saying was, "You're starting to intellectually corner me and I don't like it."
To have the insight and humbleness at your age...wow...I am a lot older then you, and I am learning...Keep going, keep learning, keep Jesus in your life...and thank you...
There is no Love without suffering.
Thanks, brother Jaiden
Hey, just wanted to share the Gospel that all men need, the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) this means we all deserve death and separation from a perfect and holy God. But God did not leave us for dead, He sent His only begotten Son to die in yours and my place, so that anyone who believes in Him and repents of sin will be saved from separation from God, and have eternal life! I urge you please put your faith in Jesus Christ and follow Him, He promises to save all who cry out to Him and have a humble heart. We arent guaranteed another day so we must seek Him today while He may be found. 🙏
Amen brother.
We must have faith that God in his infinite wisdom has a plan greater then our simple understanding can comprehend
GOD doesn't force us to love and follow him. He wants us to choose him 🙏❤️🙏
Enjoyed the video and Cliff had some good answers.
I'm not sure who said it, but this same question came up and the answer which I find is the best way to answer and to grasp the reasoning.
Similar to darkness being the absence of light and as lawlessness the absence of law. The absence of light does not mean light doesn't exist and lawlessness does not mean there is no law. Evil is simply the absence of God which is a result of the original sin.
Our life here is only temporary, suffering and pain here is only experienced by the flesh. The wrong doers will be judged when their time comes. Though it is difficult to accept that nothing we do will remove evil from this world, especially when you see the ones we love and innocent people suffer, they have an eternity waiting for them with no evil, no pain and no suffering.
Stay blessed!
This preacher did a great job with those tuff questions.
I was hoping he would say that God also wanted love from those that wanted to give it to Him freely, not because He just made us that way, helping to answer the choice question. The same as we would not want to have someone loving us that was forced to do so, they chose to. He is great with these young people.
Another amazing video to check out is Frank Turek's "If God, why evil?"
Yes, good is greatly enhanced by having to contest with evil. All the great virues: self-sacrifice, laying down one's life for others, and the daily virtues: patience, kindness, mercy...etc. can only reach their height in an evil world.
Mike Winger has an excellent video on the pain and suffering issue. I suggest checking it out. As usual, very thorough. God promises his children a new earth without any suffering, and this is a process that will eventually bring only His true family together where there will be no evil or pain any more.
One important thing to remember while having someone at the college witness to these young students is fantastic and definitely a good thing. Every single one of these students needs to realize they have access to these answers by seeking the answers by asking God himself. My first answer to most atheists is to "Ask God yourself." why spend countless hours debating me a mere mortal? Ask God instead. I see so many spent countless hours of debate yet they never ask God themselves. What better place to get an answer than the creator himself?
If you genuinely want to know God exists , ask him yourself. I did about 40 years ago. I cried out in agony "who are you?" Although unbeknownst to me was that God was already drawing me to him long before I cried out to him.
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day” John 6, 44
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” - Proverbs 9,10
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."-Matthew 7,7
these student are lucky to have cliff in their community
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I love how he says you're not being fair, i don't appreciate that, you know you are not being honest with yourself
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What part of free will don't you understand, you are free to do what ever you choose, but also must bear the consequences of you choices. We live in a fallen world, everything went out of sync the moment Adam and Eve gave into sin, so all kind of bad things will happen, and since evil/Lucifer exists we have a choice the light or the darkness.
Hey Jaiden, keep going. Keep seeking Him, keep seeking the truth and standing on it and encouraging others to think and seek too. You're awesome, but not because I say so, because He says so. 🙂
What I realise is, firstly in order for this guy to understand the context of evil and suffering he needed to understand the concept of good. Now from his interaction with Cliffe, I got the impression that he was asking questions initially like a Pharisee, only to try and trap Cliffe, but as Cliffe was straight and honest with him, not shying away from telling him exactly what this guy needed to know, he softened up and started to hear what Cliffe was saying.
As much as he didn't really answer this guy's question in Suffering and evil in this world, this guy didn't continue to question him on the matter which makes me think he was trying to test Cliffe, not genuinely seek an answer.
However, Cliffe did answer an aspect of suffering that makes sense where he said, Suffering happens because we inherently cause it. If we didn't want people to suffer, people wouldn't suffer as much, however, he did also say that nature is thrown into chaos because of the decisions of people. Problems in nature arise because of people's decisions and yet because of that initial setup where Adam told God to push off, God pushed off and chaos has a greater hold on nature in every aspect.
There is another reason for suffering is that in so doing God wants people to understand that without Him they are lost and cannot be saved. And suffering and pain has a way of reaching people in a way that comfort and ease cannot.
So
1. God has allowed suffering in this world because of our free wills we have basically told him we don't want him and thus we are dying because we wanted separation from the only source of life that exists.
2. Suffering and evil exists be cause we cause it whether directly or indirectly.
3. God uses suffering and evil to continually draw people to Himself. That he hates the suffering and evil that happens because it goes directly against His own character, that He never causes it or puts people in situations where they can only sin, but uses it as a means to draw people to Himself in a way that comfort or ease cannot.
It's like the kid wanted to change the use of the word good or goodness. Good is an adjective not a noun - the cake is good, it's a good movie. It's starting to become normal for this age group. Changing definitions and word usage.
Keep going, this is good study!
Thank you, I will Josee!
Good video. You have a new subscriber. ❤
Also you have two books on your bookshelf that I absolutely adore (-: The first being the Jesus Story Bible, which is one of the first Bibles I got for my son who is now 10 years old and who loves reading the Bible (NKJV) on his own. It's a great Bible that illustrates how Jesus is present in the entire Bible from Creation to Redemption to Culmination.
The second is "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth" by Gordon Fee and Douglas Stuart. It was required reading in one of my Bible classes at Seminary but it really brings the truth of the Bible and how we can exegete (read out of) and not eisegete (read into) what the Bible actually says. I'm not surprised that you've had these resources, as they help to develop a Biblical foundation of truth.
To the guy in the glasses, as an athiest myself, sometimes... you just don't need an answer to why good and evil exists... it just does, brother. Accept it & live above it. You don't need to believe or not believe anything to acknowledge that simple fact of life.
One good reason that I’ve heard that explains why God allows pain and suffering is for education - if we have no concept of pain and suffering, there would be a few consequences:
1. With no concept of pain and suffering, we would not be able to fully understand the tribulations that Jesus went through to die for us on the cross. We couldn’t possibly grasp/appreciate his suffering due to a lack of understanding it ourselves.
2. Without experiencing pain and suffering, we would be weak. If we had everything handed to us and never had to experience hardship, we couldn’t develop the necessary traits that we need to have to be called Christians. If we never have to wait, we can’t learn to be patient. Without testing us with evil, we could never grow to be like Jesus.
3. With pain and suffering, we can’t learn to lean and rely on God and Christ to help us through tough times. We wouldn’t need him to help us overcome hardship if hardship didn’t exist. It strengthens our reliance, our relationship, and our understanding of His love.
This makes sense to me, and maybe I could be wrong. We might never know why God allows evil and pain and suffering to exist - but let’s assume it’s for a greater good than we are able to understand.
I have a rather clear explanation why we suffer: There is no darkness without light. There is no falsehood without truth. There must be an opposition in all things. If not so, righteousness could not be, neither wickedness. If we did not suffer misery, we would have nothing by which to contrast joy. God, in his infinite goodness, allows us to suffer and hurt so that we might comprehend joy and wholeness.
Cliffe does make a valid point in that this is a fallen world. Earth is not in a condition to withstand God's presence. Mortals are allowed to choose - that is the greatest gift we have been given, with the greatest price hanging in the balance of what we choose.
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It's simple Faith. Undeniable, unshakable faith in someone we cannot see but we can feel and has the ability to change our hearts and minds. 🙌
We all need to remember that God suffered for every single one of us because of his love for us 😢
I've thought a lot on the existence of evil, and I've come to a view understandings.
1) evil exists because God gives us free will. The free will to choose good and choose Him, and the free will to choose evil and our own desires. If God were to present a choice, but then remove it the moment we try to make it, that isn't free will.
2) we all commit evil. Some of it we don't realize is wrong, some of it, we rationalize away, some of it big, some of it small. No one is perfect. For God to remove evil, He would either need to wipe out humanity, or wipe out free will.
2.5) He almost did wipe out humanity with the flood, but chose to spare one righteous man and his family. There multiple instances of God sparing the guilty for the sake of the innocent.
3) evil will be removed. The world we live in is temporary, and judgement is coming upon man according to their deeds, and upon the whole world, which is why those who believe in Jesus are forgiven, for He has lived the perfect life, and paid our punishment. Thus we are either judged by Jesus, or judged by our own deeds.
3.5) the new heaven and new earth will be a world without evil for those of God, and those who put their faith in Jesus.
4) God's allowance of evil is meant to provide space for the guilty to repent. It is a temporary time alloted so those who commit evil aren't immediately judged, but are able to repent and come to Christ. God is staying His hand temporarily, but judgement will come "vengeance is mine, I will repay."
5) this is purely my feelings. How better to appreciate heaven, than to have suffered through this current life. How can I truly understand and know joy, if I don't know pain and sorrow? How can I truly understand and know peace, if I have never experienced anxiety or strife. And how much more beautiful will heaven be, with all of this as the precursor. This world isn't the end all be all, but a temporary time of tribulation. A time given for everyone to repent of their sins and turn to Jesus, for judgement will come. Every secret thing will come to light. Every deed will be judged. Thus I personally put my faith in Jesus, for I know I could never earn forgiveness, but so great is God's love that is has provided the avenue for the guilty to be forgiven, that He suffered and died in our stead, and rose from the grave, so that all who put their faith in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.
I’m agnostic. I don’t act good for a reward when I’m dead. I think it’s more noble to do good for the world when you’re convinced you never know when your time is up and that this life is all there is.
That's a nice, if watered-down, version of Kant's line of thinking. But there is a fundamental problem with your line of reasoning. Without wanting to descend into the quagmire of semantics, let's look at your words: ''noble'' and ''good''. These terms require some unwavering measure against which ''noble'' and ''good'' can be gauged. These concepts can't be just culturally relative: every culture has its different expressions of what ''good'' and ''noble'' LOOK like - acts, words, gestures, etc - but ALL agree that is such a thing as 'good' or 'goodness' in the first place. It's that ontological element that we need to attend to. Where did EVERY culture...or, better, WHY does every culture, have this idea of ''good'' to begin with? Essentially, why does Mankind insist so much that there is both ''good'' and ''evil''? It begins with consciousness... the moment a human acquires even the simplest of language, it almost immediately acquires knowledge of ''good'' and ''evil''. So... where does moral conscience come from? The Christian answer? God.
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I liked how the first girl listened to him respectfully
The suffing measures our faith.. it's measured by the depth of our faith.. how much suffering how much faith will you keep in me through the suffering 🙏 levels
When a blind man tells others that have normal eye sight it's ok to stare at the sun and tell him it's not going to hurt his eyes, so are those who are blinded in their heart.
Answers to all of them:
"How Heaven exists if you never been there?"
-Because God said so.
"How do you trust God?"
-Because he is perfect so he can never lie.
"Why God lets bad things happen?"
-Because we deserve it.
"Why God just doens't end evil?"
-He will.
Another great video!