As a Flyers fan I was looking forward to Cutter joining the team. I agreed after hearing the, "you don't want to play here, we don't want you here." I am excited for Drysdale. but The Kevin Hayes stuff is so stupid.
I mean - the asset is still valuable. You would still draft Bedard even if he told you in advance he wouldn’t sign with your team, because he’s the most valuable asset. An extreme example but you get my point.
his situation is different. because he's a college player he committed to two more years at bc. most teams never have this problem. the only ones that come to mind are this guy and lindros. were i the owner i would do what quebec did, wait him out. they own his rights for a certain length of time so let him waste his career. i also would have refused to trade him till he showed his face and told me why. you own his rights and you don't have to pay him. f him let him rot for a couple of seasons.
I think If you wait to trade him, and force him to go back to college, you make it even more apparent to the league that he doesn’t want to sign and you lose all of your leverage. Kudos to the Flyers for getting something of value for him while they could.
Tortorella changed the Flyers from the 4th worst team in the NHL to a playoff team that can beat anybody in 2 years. The Anaheim Ducks on the other hand suck and will continue to suck.
Really? Apparently they did not thoroughly vet their draft pick. And look at this trade. Don't you think Philly already has a good to strong crop of d-men in the system? They should have swapped Cutter for a young guy who can score. It's like they just wanted to ship him to Anaheim as some sort of penalty, and did not care what they got in return. I mean maybe the draft pick pans out, but this trade doesn't look great on the surface. I don't agree that Philly has great leadership. I think, at very least, the jury is still out, but this situation does not look good.
@@MOTU_CTR This current leadership group hasn’t even been in charge for a year yet. Also, when the flyers interviewed cut her at the draft, he said he wanted to be Flyer. Not much the organization can do if he’s ghosting them.
@boomer1049 If you're Danny Briere, I'm sure it is the best deal you could make. If you're a better GM with more experience and better negotiation skills, you could get more. Your love affair with former Flyer players who put on suits and think they can be a successful GM or Coach or President of Operations is why you've failed since 1975.
Flyers were in hard times with management before Fletcher was gone..the optimism and rebuild pretty recent. Briere’s son knocks a disabled woman’s wheelchair down a flight of stairs …noticed on social media..it wasn’t looking good for a time. Gauthier too young to look back down the road at legendary Flyers..he grew up evidently on the road with his dad spending a career in the minors..sounds like a life of contrasts for this young player. Probably a whole lot higher ceiling than his father had.
Drysdale is being underated because he's missed time. He's had #1 potential since his draft year. And had an promising rookie year as mentioned in the episode. Unfortunately he's played 18 games since then. People are basing their opinions off purely absense at this point, we haven't seen a fair view of where his development is at. What we do know from his career to date is:Drysdale's is easily the best skater on the Flyers now. He's been known for being having great hockey sense. He's got average to good puck skills, and shooting skills. He's got talent to be a top D, will he get there? Time will tell, but it's unfair to say he won't, given we haven't seen the guy play even a quarter of a season in the last 2 years. Especially when we act like Gauthier is some proven commodity. Gauthier too has great attributes but he still has his flaws. He has the abilty to be a dominant force with his legs, size, pucks skill and All Star caliber shot, but he currently has the work ethic to only use half of what he has. He'll coast way to often, make ill-advised passes, instead of just moving his legs or making smarter chips, and dumps. I've watched 8 BC games + nearly all of the WJC game, and Perreault and Leonard have been much more impactful and consistent. He's not gonna reach his potential if he lets his ego get the best of him. If he's able to realize he is NOT yet the shit-- then he'll be a hell of a player.
These “insiders” have no wood anymore. Players and organizations don’t tell them anything but what they want them to know. It drives me nuts how guys like Seravalli, Friedman, etc act like they have such great intell
It hurts more. Because our #2 overall pick Nolan Patrick didn't pan out to be anything special.. We finally get a top tier prospect and he just ghost us.. I'm a Philly guy but it's frustrating being a Flyers fan
We used to say about guys like Cutter....he is full of himself. All Cutter had to do was talk to Briere and Jones. The way Cutter acted is cowardly and ignorant. Are you not enough of man to talk to two hockey guys and explain your beef with the Flyers Time will tell if this guy is another punk kid.
little detail? sorry frank that doesnt compute. its the most important detail $$$ !! they sign him after his freshmen year you guys arent having the convo
Original 7 team? More like Original 12. Then it became 14 with the additions of the Flames and future Dynastic Islanders. It became the original 21 in 1980. Now it's the original 32.
This is a surprise but I'm very leery about Michov. Him signing a contract in Russia a while back doesn't exude confidence that player is ready to play here. And the fact he was passed over by six teams on draft day sure again give one confid nc he wants to leave Russia- or can't, or never will. I see it coming.
As a lifelong Flyers fan, this just furthers the narrative why we haven’t won a Cup in 50 years. The team does so many things right but always gets the big things wrong. If Gauthier wanted to come out of college last year, you open the red carpet for him. We are supposedly in a full rebuild yet we have the wrong Head Coach in Tortorella. Who cares if they make the playoffs this year? All you want to see is how the young talent develops. Instead, Torts is benching Frost, benching Farabee, and we’ll end up finishing with mid-first round pick this year. The organization is so frustrating and this situation just reinforces the miscalculations they have made and why the Cup drought continues. I could write a book on my frustration with Flyers management
Completely agree, Chris. The public trashing of Gauthier by the Flyers was only meant to deflect attention away from their own mediocre performance in the front office. It all came off as very petty.
@@brianshaughnessy4020What’s interesting is how they handled the Gauthier and Hart situation. They came out guns blazing as everyone was trashing Gauthier despite Briere admitting they don’t know why he requested a trade. Yet when it came to Hart leaving the team for private reasons, they have not said a word and said they don’t want to speculate on his situation. In the past 2 weeks we’ve lost a top prospect and possibly losing our franchise goalie. The rebuild is going backwards.
if i'm anaheim i'd be very leery of cutter gauthier. if he wakes up some morning and decides he doesn't want play there either, he strikes me as someone who would sit regardless of the situation. i don't care how good he is, he isn't worth it.
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This kevin hays thing is just bs... look im a die hard flyers fan... things might not have worked out with him but i can't see him ever low balling this city we luved having him and he luved being here it was him an the coach not seeing eye to eye people need to leave him be
Hayes had to have played a role in this decision. He was shipped out of town because Torts and other leaders on the team felt he was a "cancer" in the locker room. I have no doubt the Cutter was soured on the team at least partially because Hayes told him it sucks to play for Torts, etc. Having said that, the losers going on social media and attacking Hayes (and family) is total BS and classless and making us Flyer fans look like A holes.
I do believe he did not want to play for Torts. Cutter's saying on draft day that he was a Flyer is weak, as he did not want to put the work in to be a Flyer.
Hayes has came out and denied he had anything to do with it and said he only took the kid golfing once at the teams request. Hayes also never asked to be traded he was shipped out as a salary dump
@@brianlb78ofc he’s gonna deny it. You think he would admit it? Look at what happened last year when he got benched tho…he went and whined to his boyfriend Yandle, then Yandle took to twitter to rip on Torts..😂😂
Cutter is a coward. If you can’t man up and talk to your employer like an adult, you are a child. Many excellent points in this video, especially from Frank.
I stopped watching once the clown in the orange hat tried to say the Flyers organization lost its way and doesn't see the difference between the old regime and the new one
Let's be very clear: it wasn't "people" saying Kevin Hayes had something to do with it. It was Anthony SanFilippo either lying or relaying a lie like a pissy child on a podcast. Nobody connected any dots, he drew a straight line to Hayes and it was horribly irresponsible and unprofessional.
"it's not the Winnipeg Jets" - Team that has been better than Philly for a decade and has proven time and time again that players will sign in Winnipeg for less than market value. Also maybe he did it because everyone from Philly are d bags and probably runs deep in the org.
Eric didn't want to play for Quebec because of management, it wasn't because he wanted to play for the Flyers, the Flyers just put the right package together to trade for him.
that makes no sense. Quebec knew Lindros wasn't going to play for them, and drafted him anyway. The return was massive that landed them key players who helped Colorado become cup champions in 96, and 2001. If there was any Karma it landed on shoulders (or head) of Lindros, and he paid the price.
@dbuell You said Karma for the Flyers, it fell on him not the Flyers, they lost a great player who came short of winning a cup for them, it wasn't there fault he was traded by Quebec .
its a big deal because Cutter is going to be an absolute stud, so philly has to trash him so they can say well he has bad character and thats why he isnt playing here. The flyers are not a top5 place to play. A lot of players have left philly and have played great. I dont know there just seems to be something about the team.
@@dbuell are they? i would say it is just their side of the story. and it very well may be true, but they are letting it be known because Cutter is going to be an absolute stud. and by saying all this will be "why" they traded him. this is damage control. I would also say that airing your dirty laundry is bad character as well. they could have easily traded him and said we wanted a stud D man like drysdale and you have to give up something great to get something great.
I have to disagree. I think given the last decade of management in Philadelphia leadership has to explain to fans why they would make a move like this. It will be interesting to hear the players side of the story, no doubt. But, it's a privilege to play in the NHL, the Flyers are premier franchise who are on their way up. I have to agree with the move, and letting the fans know why. Don't want to be here? See ya.@@jake13b
Three reasons.- 1. Tortorella is a complete d-bag. 2. The city of Philadelphia. It’s crap hole. 3. Tortorella is a complete d-bag. Torts will ruin any young player with talent that gets more attention than himself. There isn’t a camera made that Torts won’t try to get his face in front of. Surprised more players haven’t refused to play for him. Good for Cutter.
@@michaelkurchak5427 beaches, warm weather year round, blonde puck bunnies. No Tortorella. More wide open offense. The only bad thing is it’s Cali and half your paycheck goes to taxes. He won’t stay long.
@@flaryy I don’t thinks Torts will last long in Philadelphia. Past players hate playing for him. It’s not a secret. Hockey is still a fun kids game and if you’re not having fun players aren’t going to play for an old school guy like Torts. Blame millennials or GenZ but people aren’t putting up with a-hole bosses anymore.
@@flaryyyeah just spoken like a fake fan who has never seen Torts eviscerate the press. Plus, it's not like Quitter has to live in Philly to play for them.
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As a Flyers fan I was looking forward to Cutter joining the team. I agreed after hearing the, "you don't want to play here, we don't want you here." I am excited for Drysdale.
but
The Kevin Hayes stuff is so stupid.
Why even bother have a draft if players can decide who they want to play for?
I mean - the asset is still valuable. You would still draft Bedard even if he told you in advance he wouldn’t sign with your team, because he’s the most valuable asset. An extreme example but you get my point.
They can only do that if they play 4 years of college hockey and delay turning pro
his situation is different. because he's a college player he committed to two more years at bc. most teams never have this problem. the only ones that come to mind are this guy and lindros. were i the owner i would do what quebec did, wait him out. they own his rights for a certain length of time so let him waste his career. i also would have refused to trade him till he showed his face and told me why. you own his rights and you don't have to pay him. f him let him rot for a couple of seasons.
I think If you wait to trade him, and force him to go back to college, you make it even more apparent to the league that he doesn’t want to sign and you lose all of your leverage. Kudos to the Flyers for getting something of value for him while they could.
I can't blame anyone for not going to the Flyers as long as Tortorella is there.
Tortorella changed the Flyers from the 4th worst team in the NHL to a playoff team that can beat anybody in 2 years. The Anaheim Ducks on the other hand suck and will continue to suck.
how do you really know that Hayes did not have anything to do with it? him saying he did not mean nothing to me. why would he admit it.
He was a Pens fan growing up.............................................
The current Flyer leadership group is top notch! This a Cutter character flaw! Period!
Really? Apparently they did not thoroughly vet their draft pick. And look at this trade. Don't you think Philly already has a good to strong crop of d-men in the system? They should have swapped Cutter for a young guy who can score. It's like they just wanted to ship him to Anaheim as some sort of penalty, and did not care what they got in return. I mean maybe the draft pick pans out, but this trade doesn't look great on the surface.
I don't agree that Philly has great leadership. I think, at very least, the jury is still out, but this situation does not look good.
@@MOTU_CTR This current leadership group hasn’t even been in charge for a year yet. Also, when the flyers interviewed cut her at the draft, he said he wanted to be Flyer. Not much the organization can do if he’s ghosting them.
@@MOTU_CTR Looks like the best deal out there for a player that has an attitude
I have no confidence in more Flyer retreads running things. They have not won a Cup with former Flyers running things in 50+ years.
@boomer1049 If you're Danny Briere, I'm sure it is the best deal you could make. If you're a better GM with more experience and better negotiation skills, you could get more.
Your love affair with former Flyer players who put on suits and think they can be a successful GM or Coach or President of Operations is why you've failed since 1975.
Flyers were in hard times with management before Fletcher was gone..the optimism and rebuild pretty recent. Briere’s son knocks a disabled woman’s wheelchair down a flight of stairs …noticed on social media..it wasn’t looking good for a time. Gauthier too young to look back down the road at legendary Flyers..he grew up evidently on the road with his dad spending a career in the minors..sounds like a life of contrasts for this young player. Probably a whole lot higher ceiling than his father had.
Love how these guys don’t agree with scouts about a players ceiling. Wonder why they’re not scouts
Frank is such a baby. Just because he never got to report the story 😂
Yeah his know it all attitude with these guys despite knowing fuck all about this story as an “insider” is pretty funny
To be fair, a lot of "insiders" did not have any extensive knowledge. No one really knew about it. The Flyers covered it up very well.
They all are. The ego of these reporters that cover hockey is embarrassing. Elliott Friedman is even worse
Drysdale is being underated because he's missed time. He's had #1 potential since his draft year. And had an promising rookie year as mentioned in the episode. Unfortunately he's played 18 games since then. People are basing their opinions off purely absense at this point, we haven't seen a fair view of where his development is at.
What we do know from his career to date is:Drysdale's is easily the best skater on the Flyers now. He's been known for being having great hockey sense. He's got average to good puck skills, and shooting skills. He's got talent to be a top D, will he get there? Time will tell, but it's unfair to say he won't, given we haven't seen the guy play even a quarter of a season in the last 2 years.
Especially when we act like Gauthier is some proven commodity. Gauthier too has great attributes but he still has his flaws. He has the abilty to be a dominant force with his legs, size, pucks skill and All Star caliber shot, but he currently has the work ethic to only use half of what he has. He'll coast way to often, make ill-advised passes, instead of just moving his legs or making smarter chips, and dumps. I've watched 8 BC games + nearly all of the WJC game, and Perreault and Leonard have been much more impactful and consistent. He's not gonna reach his potential if he lets his ego get the best of him. If he's able to realize he is NOT yet the shit-- then he'll be a hell of a player.
These “insiders” have no wood anymore. Players and organizations don’t tell them anything but what they want them to know. It drives me nuts how guys like Seravalli, Friedman, etc act like they have such great intell
It hurts more. Because our #2 overall pick Nolan Patrick didn't pan out to be anything special.. We finally get a top tier prospect and he just ghost us.. I'm a Philly guy but it's frustrating being a Flyers fan
It could have been worse, at least you got a pretty good player in return.
We used to say about guys like Cutter....he is full of himself. All Cutter had to do was talk to Briere and Jones. The way Cutter acted is cowardly and ignorant. Are you not enough of man to talk to two hockey guys and explain your beef with the Flyers Time will tell if this guy is another punk kid.
little detail? sorry frank that doesnt compute. its the most important detail $$$ !! they sign him after his freshmen year you guys arent having the convo
Great show boys
How do you know Hayes had nothing to do with it? Just because you know?
Because he came out and said so and said he only took the kid golfing once at the team request
How do we get Zegras to follow Drysdale to Philly?
Offer picks or players. As a ducks fans Verbeek is looking to clear out past regimes picks and Zegras is expensive and doesn’t fit there window
Zegras has shown to be nothing more than a trick shot player……. Until he shows he can be more than that he isn’t worth what many will say he is
Original 7 team? More like Original 12. Then it became 14 with the additions of the Flames and future Dynastic Islanders. It became the original 21 in 1980. Now it's the original 32.
This is a surprise but I'm very leery about Michov. Him signing a contract in Russia a while back doesn't exude confidence that player is ready to play here. And the fact he was passed over by six teams on draft day sure again give one confid nc he wants to leave Russia- or can't, or never will. I see it coming.
As a lifelong Flyers fan, this just furthers the narrative why we haven’t won a Cup in 50 years. The team does so many things right but always gets the big things wrong.
If Gauthier wanted to come out of college last year, you open the red carpet for him. We are supposedly in a full rebuild yet we have the wrong Head Coach in Tortorella. Who cares if they make the playoffs this year? All you want to see is how the young talent develops. Instead, Torts is benching Frost, benching Farabee, and we’ll end up finishing with mid-first round pick this year.
The organization is so frustrating and this situation just reinforces the miscalculations they have made and why the Cup drought continues. I could write a book on my frustration with Flyers management
Write it.
Completely agree, Chris. The public trashing of Gauthier by the Flyers was only meant to deflect attention away from their own mediocre performance in the front office. It all came off as very petty.
@@brianshaughnessy4020What’s interesting is how they handled the Gauthier and Hart situation. They came out guns blazing as everyone was trashing Gauthier despite Briere admitting they don’t know why he requested a trade. Yet when it came to Hart leaving the team for private reasons, they have not said a word and said they don’t want to speculate on his situation.
In the past 2 weeks we’ve lost a top prospect and possibly losing our franchise goalie. The rebuild is going backwards.
Who’s the weasel with the red cap.
I don’t blame him who tf wants to play for the flyers lol
if i'm anaheim i'd be very leery of cutter gauthier. if he wakes up some morning and decides he doesn't want play there either, he strikes me as someone who would sit regardless of the situation. i don't care how good he is, he isn't worth it.
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This kevin hays thing is just bs... look im a die hard flyers fan... things might not have worked out with him but i can't see him ever low balling this city we luved having him and he luved being here it was him an the coach not seeing eye to eye people need to leave him be
He didnt show up because they pissed him off
Hayes had to have played a role in this decision. He was shipped out of town because Torts and other leaders on the team felt he was a "cancer" in the locker room. I have no doubt the Cutter was soured on the team at least partially because Hayes told him it sucks to play for Torts, etc. Having said that, the losers going on social media and attacking Hayes (and family) is total BS and classless and making us Flyer fans look like A holes.
I do believe he did not want to play for Torts. Cutter's saying on draft day that he was a Flyer is weak, as he did not want to put the work in to be a Flyer.
This reflects badly for Cut her!
Hayes has came out and denied he had anything to do with it and said he only took the kid golfing once at the teams request. Hayes also never asked to be traded he was shipped out as a salary dump
@@brianlb78ofc he’s gonna deny it. You think he would admit it? Look at what happened last year when he got benched tho…he went and whined to his boyfriend Yandle, then Yandle took to twitter to rip on Torts..😂😂
@techjunkie1815 he barely knows the kid. And like I said Hayes never asked to leave philly
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Cutter is a coward. If you can’t man up and talk to your employer like an adult, you are a child.
Many excellent points in this video, especially from Frank.
He copied this move from John Elway who spurned the Colts and ended up in Denver.
Flyers need to draft the next Scott Stevens for when this guy eventually ends in Pittsburgh 😂
I stopped watching once the clown in the orange hat tried to say the Flyers organization lost its way and doesn't see the difference between the old regime and the new one
Philly sending death threats to Kevin Hayes and a young kid is all you need to understand why he wanted outta that shit hole
A$$holes are everywhere. Small minorities of people don't account for a whole fan base. Take the paintbrush somewhere else.
Lazarus = clueless
Let's be very clear: it wasn't "people" saying Kevin Hayes had something to do with it. It was Anthony SanFilippo either lying or relaying a lie like a pissy child on a podcast. Nobody connected any dots, he drew a straight line to Hayes and it was horribly irresponsible and unprofessional.
Anthony is about as plugged in to the flyers as anyone.
@pumpkinking5174 And yet here we are. That's not journalism, it's pathetic and evidently dangerous, as well.
"it's not the Winnipeg Jets" - Team that has been better than Philly for a decade and has proven time and time again that players will sign in Winnipeg for less than market value.
Also maybe he did it because everyone from Philly are d bags and probably runs deep in the org.
Karma for the Flyers. Remember big "E".
Eric didn't want to play for Quebec because of management, it wasn't because he wanted to play for the Flyers, the Flyers just put the right package together to trade for him.
that makes no sense. Quebec knew Lindros wasn't going to play for them, and drafted him anyway. The return was massive that landed them key players who helped Colorado become cup champions in 96, and 2001. If there was any Karma it landed on shoulders (or head) of Lindros, and he paid the price.
@dbuell You said Karma for the Flyers, it fell on him not the Flyers, they lost a great player who came short of winning a cup for them, it wasn't there fault he was traded by Quebec .
This is such a tired narrative. Half of the people saying this are Rangers fans who also traded for Lindros the same day the Flyers did.
its a big deal because Cutter is going to be an absolute stud, so philly has to trash him so they can say well he has bad character and thats why he isnt playing here. The flyers are not a top5 place to play. A lot of players have left philly and have played great. I dont know there just seems to be something about the team.
The kid refused to talk or give a reason to the organization. He obviously has character issues. But go on.
@@czzz16 there are a lot of players with character issues. and they get traded all the time. and you dont hear about it. this is damage control.
Being transparent and honest, isn't exactly bashing him.
@@dbuell are they? i would say it is just their side of the story. and it very well may be true, but they are letting it be known because Cutter is going to be an absolute stud. and by saying all this will be "why" they traded him. this is damage control. I would also say that airing your dirty laundry is bad character as well. they could have easily traded him and said we wanted a stud D man like drysdale and you have to give up something great to get something great.
I have to disagree. I think given the last decade of management in Philadelphia leadership has to explain to fans why they would make a move like this. It will be interesting to hear the players side of the story, no doubt. But, it's a privilege to play in the NHL, the Flyers are premier franchise who are on their way up. I have to agree with the move, and letting the fans know why. Don't want to be here? See ya.@@jake13b
Three reasons.- 1. Tortorella is a complete d-bag. 2. The city of Philadelphia. It’s crap hole. 3. Tortorella is a complete d-bag. Torts will ruin any young player with talent that gets more attention than himself. There isn’t a camera made that Torts won’t try to get his face in front of. Surprised more players haven’t refused to play for him. Good for Cutter.
Now he plays for the Cartoon Network the might ducks, guess mommy told him what to do
@@michaelkurchak5427 beaches, warm weather year round, blonde puck bunnies. No Tortorella. More wide open offense. The only bad thing is it’s Cali and half your paycheck goes to taxes. He won’t stay long.
@@flaryy I don’t thinks Torts will last long in Philadelphia. Past players hate playing for him. It’s not a secret. Hockey is still a fun kids game and if you’re not having fun players aren’t going to play for an old school guy like Torts. Blame millennials or GenZ but people aren’t putting up with a-hole bosses anymore.
@@flaryyyeah just spoken like a fake fan who has never seen Torts eviscerate the press. Plus, it's not like Quitter has to live in Philly to play for them.
@@Georgedunkin7473 no fans hahahah