Tips For First Time Use - Rocket Appartamento
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2020
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The Rocket is a great machine and is very common. There are a few tricks to keep it in good shape so let me know what you think below. 
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Thanks Yossi. Just got the Rocket 2 months ago and overall thrilled but wasn't aware I could fine tune the lever for preinfusion, the last bit I was missing for a great shot
I owned two Rockets. They both developed electrical problems within two years. Sexy machine but never again!
Thanks for the review. I get mine tomorrow!
That's awesome! Hope you will pull great shots with it!
Nice demo! great info and cool collection of machines 👍
Thanks for watching!
Great video, good info. Also, do you know if the la Marzocco bottomless portafilter will fit the Appartamento?
Thank you! La Marzocco uses a different design than the E61 group head on this machine so portafilter will not fit this model but sometimes a standard 58mm portafilter will fit LM.
Hope this helps! -Y
Hi Yossi. Thank you for your video. Is there a difference between the off setting for the leveler and the first position?
Hey Lucas! Technically there is no difference, the only thing that is moving is the brew lever shaft but it will not affect anything unless you move it up a bit for preinfusion, Hope this helps! -Y
Hello Yossi, thanks a lot for your honest explanation…. I’m really confused what to get bz13 or this one I had right now Gaggia pro! Thanks a lot in advance!
That's a hard choise. Do you have a local store if you ever need repairs?
This will help you to make the decision.
This amazing thank you
Glad you like it!
Great video and hands on insight.
Given that you deal with Rocket and Profitec. Appartemento or Pro 500 PID?
Thank you! Both are good machines, it really depends on what the user wants to get out of the machine. Personally, prefers Rocket over Profitec but there are more things to consider besides the specs, like build quality, after-market parts availability customer service. Hope this helps! -Y
What about double boiler or heat exchanger
Nice review! I'm not understanding how its possible to do pre-infusion with no plumbed water line. What causes the pressure to do the pre-infusion if the pump is not on?
Hello Dave, Thank you for the positive feedback.
That is a very good questions. The E61 group head has a thermalsiphon system that circulate hot and cold water. That is how the group head is getting hot as it had hot water constantly flowing through it. When you lift the lever up. it allow the water through as they flow. The E61 group was invented by Fama in 1961 and it is used till this day. Smart idea... Also, there are different ways to pre-infuse without a pump like in single boiler lever machines, La Pavoni Europiccola / Olympia Cremina and also in dual boiler machines with a saturated boiler like the La Marzocco GS3. I will recommend reading more about this on Wiki.
Hope this answers your question! -Y
Thanks for the video, I just ordered my Rocket. Due to the warm up time required, is it ok to use a "smart" outlet and have the machine plugged into it so that the power on can be programmed on a timer? Just want to make sure this will not affect the electronics of the machine.
Yes, absolutely, but you want to make sure it is rated to the correct aps and watts.
I wish i would have gotten my machine from you guys honestly after seeing how much you do for your customers :/
Do you have a website that you use for people to puchase products from you? Do you descale machines?
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Nice video! Does this model come with a solenoid valve? I saw a pretty wet basket when you took it out. Thanks
This machine has the standard E61 group head with the mechanical pressure release valve. To be honest, we are not putting much attention to making the "perfect espresso shot" on camera as we are making a lot of these videos with different machines so calibrating the grind setting can be time cnsuming. This is the main reason why the puck is wet. Hope this answers your question. Thanks -Y
@@ozespresso Yes perfectly. I understand that the shot is not your focus, I just wanted to know if the machine has any pressure release system. Now I know it does, I am far from an expert. I had a Gaggia classic and it was really messy when cleaning the basket. Thank you very much!
@@ivocolombo6917 Sure, glad to help!
yes. It's in the lever. My lever on first machine wore out fast.
Would you say there is much difference in espresso quality between a Gaggia classic pro and this or the even the linea mini? That would make it worth an upgrade. Thanks!
To answer this question properly will require a lot of details as but I can summarize it in a few words I would say, "You get what you pay for" meaning as you go up in price the equipment, in most cases, is better.
The machines you mentioned are all different and good for their price point, it really depends on what the user is looking for and what is the budget you work with.
Hope this helps, -Y
Totally.
Also, how long should the boiler on a pro-sumer E61-style machine last? I'm thinking about a used ECM (original) machine but it's like 20 years old. It's about the same as Aparamento so that's my fall-back. thanks!
It really depends on the machine. ECM made these build well back in the day but it is not only the boiler but also the electrical system. Take a look inside and see if everything looks normal. Also, you can try and contact a local repair center if one available and see if they can inspect it for you. Good luck!
@@ozespresso Thanks! - Electrical doesn't bother me. I can fix it.. Boiler, on the other hand, would be more difficult (though not impossible..)
@@bigwave_dave8468 Again, hard to tell without testing it in person. I think these are good but it will need to be tested prior to purchase. You can either pop the top off or ask the seller to send a video of it working without the top so you can see if there are leaks. Hope this helps! -Y
Did you find that when you first started using the Appartamento that it had a hot metal odor and taste from through the group head and steam wand? I've had mine for about 3 weeks now and unless i run a lot of water through the group or wand before use, there is this almost "campfire" taste that comes through. I spoke with a "technician" and they said this is residue from the manufacturing process and that I should continue to run water through it and it will dissipate. Did you experience any of this?
This happens in most espresso machines when filled with water for the first time. We actually flush the machine several times before delivering it to the customer. Hope this helps! -Y
@@ozespresso Thanks OZ. I'm a little concerned though because I've been using the machine for nearly 3 weeks and the smell still hasn't dissipated.
@@niranalmog4773 Please note that you refer to a different issue than the one commented above. The smell is different than taste. If there is a "burned" smell, it could be some melted wires or an issue with the machine. It could also be related to a power issue at your location. Hard to tell without testing it in person. We will recommend contacting an authorized support center and ask them for guidance. Rocket builds good machines and their US customer service is spot on. Hope this helps. -Y
Awesome video!!
I just got one
In the manual is says to water back flush daily and chemical back flush once a week. Is there anyway you could make a video showing up to do that?
There are plannty of videos about how to backslash E61 group heads, good luck!
Great video. One question; how long does it take for the machine to get the right temperature before you can brew a shot?
Thank you! According to the manufacturer is's 45 minutes. In real life you can probebly pull a shot after 18-20 minutes. Hope this helps! -Y
You can get a smart plug to turn it on and off on schedule
Hi Yossi, great video for people who are navigating and binging videos before buying ;-) I have one question about brew pressure. Unfortunately the Rocket doesn't have a dedicated gauge to read the brew pressure. However I've seen another video of some one adding a pressure gauge to the E61 brew head. When he pulled the lever to initiate the pump with a blind basket in the portafilter holder, they gauge indicated 12bars of brew pressure. To my knowledge 12 bars is not the desired pressure to brew. Do you have an explanation why that pressure is 12 bars in the group head. And if so, is it advised to turn down the pressure on the OPV? Thanks and best regards, Vincent
Thank you, this is a good question. This model is equipped with a vibratory pump with a default setting of 15 bars, so when it's on, it goes full force. Yes, you can make an adjustment to the OPV to open at say 9.5 bars but I think that it works a bit differently and I will do my best to explain.
First, it makes sense that if you use a blank basket, then it will go up to 12-15 bars as it supposed to do that, probably the OPV opens at 12.
Nose, because the coffee bed is not "blank" then some of the initial pressure might be high but once it starts brewing the pressure will go down to about 9 bars. It is not as accurate as a rotary pump where you can adjust the pressure but it is very similar to the default in a lot of other machines with a gauge, you just don't see it. Does this make sense?
I think that you are up to the challenge and feel confident in your skill level, you should experiment with the machine and learn more about how to brew the best shots with it.
I hope this helps!
-Y
@@ozespresso Thanks so much for your detailed answer and it does make sense to me. So basically the difference between the vibratory pump and a rotory pump is that with the rotary pump you can modify the pump pressure and you can't with the vibratory pump which has just one setting. When I initially saw the video it didn't make sense to me why you would immediately have to dial down the OPV pressure. I still believe that when these machines come from the production line, the basic manufacturer setting would do the trick for the majority of the users. Obviously when using the machine for quite some time you can try to tweak the settings a little if you did all the other variables first. Thanks again!
@@vincentie Sure glad to help!
@@ozespresso Appreciate it thanks! Just one other question that popped up is what your experiences are with the machine from Crem? There new model the ONE 1B dual seems to fit perfectly in the price range of the Appartamento with seemingly better/extensive functionalities like PID control, option to connect to tab water, shot timer, build in shot mirror, etc. What is your opinion on those machines if you are familiar with them since they're fairly new compared to the Apparatmento?
@@vincentie To be honest we don’t have experience with this machine so I don’t know if it’s good or not, I would go with something familiar that’s going to be easy to service by anyone and also that has strong customer support. If you can find good reviews on this machine and the company has a good rating on their aftermarket sales service then I would say definitely worth checking out
How to make backflash?
Great video. Can you do a video like this with Lelit Elisabeth?
We usually don't sell Lelit machines but if we happen to have one, we will be happy to do that!
What is the best choise in your opinon? Bezzera BZ10 or Rocket Appartamento?
We prefer working with Rocket as their build quality is better than Bezzera and parts are more accessible. You always want to buy something that will be easy to fix down the road so depends on where you live, we will recommend finding someone local to buy from. Hope this helps!
@@ozespresso thanks alot. I alredy bougt Rocket Cellini V3 🤗
@@pawosz911 That’s a great machine hope you pull great shots with it
Speaking from experience of owning two Rockets which IMO have declined in reliability go for the Bezzera 10.
Which Machine would you reccomend as the best to use
Hard to answer this one, it really depends on the user and the favorite drinks to make in my opinion. I like using La Marzocco, Rocket, La Pavoni, and Rancilio for the most part as they have good quality control and good customer service, with can really help in the long run.
Hi Yossi, does use a wifi switch and leaving the machine switch on bad for the machine?
Not sure if you refer to Wifi enabled power outlet attachment or something else.
I will recommend a few things:
1. Make sure to turn off the machine by the end of the day.
2. Have GFCI outlet protector.
3. Make sure the wifi outlet is rated above the Watts and Amps of the machine for safety.
Hope this helps!
@@ozespresso yes, they have wifi enabled power outlet attachment. You plug it into the wall and then plug the machine into it and you can remotely turn off or on the machine or set a schedule for on and off. To do this you need to leave the machine in the on position.
Do you have eco mode enabled on the rocket? My Green led is constant and not flashing.
Yes, it is Eco Mode some machines are equipped with. Lifting the brew lever or flipping the power switch will kick it back on. They time out after 90 minutes. The appartamento might have a button under the chassis to toggle this feature on or off. Hope this helps -Y
I just received my Appartamento and the light turns green but within about a minute it starts to flash three times and pause and repeat. What is this indicating? I am using well water with lots of minerals so it should detect the full tank. I have the feeling the heat exchanger isn't pulling in any water and is tripping an overheat sensor and giving me the error code. Should the water in the tank drop when it is first initiated? I reached out to SCG yesterday for 46 minutes on hold and then they hung up on me. I should have done better research on where I bought from. So frustrating.
This sounds like a "stand-By" mode is ON. Look for a little green button under the machine and press it. See if it solves the issue. Good Luck!
You had me excited for a moment but unfortunately that didn't resolve it. SCG claims the boiler is not loading with water and needs to be returned because they cannot troubleshoot it. UGH :( @@ozespresso
At 08:50 you talk about articles of "best pressure" - can you share this article?
Hello! You should look it up on HomeBarista.com it was an interview with Kees Van Der Westen about HX machines. Hope this helps. -Y
What about back flushing therocket??
Every 30-40 shots or so
You can ofcourse. You get a blind with your accessories.
How long does this mashine last?
It depends on a lot of factors like water quality, frequency of use, power interaction, and how the user treats and maintains it. Let's say with optimal conditions it can last many years, 20, with occasional repairs. It is important to say that all machines, even the most expensive ones, will need maintenance and repairs, just like cars, but generally speaking, Ricket makes good machines. Hope this helps! -Y
Why not spend a few hundred more and get a PID machine like Profitec Pro 500? Has so many more features. PID is game changer and brew pressure adjustability is so easy too without taking machine apart. Appartamento looks nice and is a good machine but features are outdated IMO.
Agree, it's all about personal preference. Yes, Profitec is good but it has it's flaws. For instance, the pro500 uses parts that are only available through whole latte love, which could be challenging for some folks that are not in the US and have limited stock. With Rocket, you can use it in more places and it is more of a standard repair process.
Why is the green light flashing why doesn’t it just stay on ?
In certain units they have Eco Mode some machines are equipped with. Lifting the brew lever or flipping the power switch will kick it back on. They time out after 90 minutes. The appartamento might have a button under the chassis to toggle this feature on or off. Hope this helps -Y
What was annoying for me about the green light is that mine wouldnt flash but hesistate before it came on. This irritated me. The toggle seemed stiff.
Same issue is happening with me, the green light is staying on flashing I tried many water brands along with different bottled waters brands with different minerals ratio with no luck, also checked the eco mode button under the chassis. The machine when start up the green light is stable considering the water tank is full but after 3 min the loud sound disappear and the green light start flashing again. I tried to move the water tank up and down with no luck as always
To give a 1150e for Rocker Appartamento in 2023 is one of the most stupid things you can do!!! Huge money for mascine without PID, without brew preasure gauge and very average built. After my Gaggia Classic Pro iI bought Appartamento and I made a misstake
And what is 1150e?