My heart hurt watching Greg realize what has happened to what he has believed for so long. What a gracious and honest man and I pray he finds the peace and truth of the Word of God.
What spiritual devastation Greg is going through. We should be compassionate toward this man. None of us have all the answers or understanding about our relationship with Jesus. His belief about Jesus has just been shattered. It will take him time to process what it all means. Pray for this brother!
A couple hour conversation doesn’t unravel a lifetime of belief and devotion. We are not robots, we’re humans. While logic and reason informs our decisions, we are, at the core of us, emotional beings. I want to believe this man turned from his path of destruction. But, I doubt he did. I think he probably doubled-down and found ways to rationalize the “truth” of Mormonism.
@@67L48 once a man sees the Truth. He can deny in his heart as much as he wants but the Truth will always prevail. The Word of God will ALWAYS prevail.
Greg seems like a genuinely sweet and thoughtful man. He's unusually honest with himself, and just watching him going through this is painful, but I pray it touched his heart and God used it to change his life forever. Bless his heart.
My heart goes out to Greg. As a Christian I can not imagine being in his position and having your faith completely discredited. He grew up in the Mormon religion so he didn’t know better than to wholeheartedly believe what he was taught. I hope his life is richer having learned THE TRUTH.
It is striking that each of us is lead to feel compassion and love towards Greg. He seems like us, he seems to want to do what is right before God, but he has to overcome the lies he was taught as a child. It should open our own eyes to some of the lies being taught in our own churches. For we are not perfect in our doctrine when we divide by domination, I cannot say that I am of Paul, or you are of Peter and be righteous... Rather we must be one faith... I could go on, but I do not want to take away from this video as it is based in truth.
I'm in the process of leaving the church at the ripe old age of 17, right around the time everyone starts asking me about my mission. I meet with my bishop tomorrow to talk about this stuff and this video provides, by far, the best and most comprehensive case against Joseph Smith I've seen thus far. It provides lots of evidence for the things that I have been feeling as I learn more about church history and the contradictions the LDS scripture has with the bible. Thank you for this. The Bible is beautiful and I have accepted it as the word of God, uncorrupted, and for that I praise the Lord Jesus, my God.
Hello friend. How did this go? Have you broke away yet? Hope you are well and strong in Christ and The Truth. Don't lose faith in God, just the false teachings. God will walk with you as he has given you discernment with The Spirit to know in your soul that something is wrong with these heresies.
What a raw and beautiful testimony of how Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible revealed Himself to you and removed you from the deception within Mormonism! Keep going! Angels of God are cheering for you in heaven :)
It is heart wrenching to watch Greg wrestle with this. I was raised Mormon and I know the feelings he is experiencing. Please, everyone, we need to pray earnestly for Greg. He is clearly open. Christ is knocking on his door. What a victory it would be to see Greg become a brother in Christ!
I felt the same as you and so many about the struggle Greg was going through. I could see God touching his heart and I fully believe Greg will come to believe and understand that God's word is the true word. I believe the Holy Spirit will continue to work in his heart and he will find his way to the Truth and accept Jesus into his heart.
The remnant pieces that he is claiming are found in caves in Jerusalem are cartoons and not the originals and it just shows them walking in a dirt cave which does not really show evidence and when I was a Mormon I remember them teaching me that the discrepancies in the Bible happened with King James when he got all the religions together and made them agree on a single Bible so they had to change it to be agreeable with everyone to King James liking. This is just some things I'm noticing. I also noticed that the Mormon he is interviewing is probably a common lay Mormon who hasn't studied a lot about the Bible the book of Mormon or the Mormon religion itself he probably just goes to church every Sunday and reads the scriptures sometimes.
@@carmelahearle957 you were taught a half truth. Whilst King James wanted a translation from the originals to divert power from Rome and to solidify his own, he ironically put the hands of the Bible into the common man and allowed the peasant (if they were literate) to read the Scriptures which previously was almost impossible as it was reserved for clergy and exclusively in Latin and not English. The Bible was previously only Latin reproductions of the Latin Bible.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I am from Singapore. I am nearing 50, but in my teenage days when I have not yet dedicated my life to Christ, I was introduced to the LDS church here in Singapore. I thank God that while in that first meeting, something in my heart caused me to feel troubled. So troubled I was that I wanted to bolt out the door in an instant if not for my friend holding me back. After that day I told myself that I am never going back to that church. I soon found God a few years later and had been thankful ever since to know that one God that had remained true. I pray that Greg will find courage to walk out and be free.
It's like many Roman Catholics don't pray to Mary nor do they believe that the Pope is infallible... But ideally they should leave, there are other truthful options.
My sister is a morman.. she joined 2 years ago and has been telling me that she has been feeling that there was something wrong and has been praying for guidance and the truth too be revealed about the church.... Well here is the answer to her prayers! Thank you for the help GBYA ❤️
i would at least tell your sister to try and find some of the places mentioned in the book of mormon (not the broadway play lol) the book talks of geographical areas that no one can find on earth, talks of giant epic battles on ... a hill outside NY but there are no bones, arrowheads, mass graves...nothing at least start with that as a way not to bring doubt on her life but to show her the truth
@@itsa-itsagames In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, it starts in the middle east and it mentions places in the middle east that we later found. Nahum, Bountiful, etc. There is even a map of the route we think Nephi's family took based on what is in the Book of Mormon and real geographical areas in the middle east. The hill in NY is not the same hill mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon took place mostly in central and south america. Look up the Lidar system.
tell her to get out, now, the book of Mormok is written by man, not,God same as the Catholic bible, & the new KJV, man has corrupted them,The Old KJV,.is the nearest translation to the original, best you ask God what's Kosher or not, Amen!
Born Mormon, served a mission… all that none sense! Today I am a saved Christian resting in the finished work of Christ. I often wonder why the Lord has saved my soul and brought me out of those lies, lies that were instilled in me since I was a child. Glory to God, the eternal, uncreated, holy God of the Bible.
Perhaps because God knows the very heart of you and that you would follow Jesus. You have obviously done this, praise God, dear brother. Your words show that you are humble in our Lord, as well. Only those who speak as you have spoken, here, are humble.
Once again I would caution and warn against any Denomination or other religion other than Judimaism and Christianity. Even Christians need to be warned not to stray from support of Judaism. They are Prophetically connected and must be protective of each other or face separation from ALMIGHTY GOD'S FAVOR
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Jesus or is he God Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the FATHER Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN Enter in through the narrow Door , Jesus is The Way Share Share Share A spark can start a fire Tell many
Guys, Salvation is Very Simple HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins ** NO FEMALE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER ** - Hebrew Book of Isaiah (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. Isaiah 43:11 I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me. Isaiah 45:5 I am YaH, and there is none else.
He’s a rare one, I know from my own journey that very few Mormons (including myself) would ever listen like that without doubling down and blasting you with their “testimony” of every single thing they’ve been taught since childhood
Think on this. Joseph Smith knew Christ was born in Bethlehem, so why, if he was writing fiction to convince others it was scripture, would be place that in the book of mormon? At a 4th grade education, he writes a 500 page novel in very few days, but misplaced Christ's birthplace? Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem. At 6 miles from the actual city of jerusalem. How many New York City "New Yorkers" live in the Bronx or Queens?
Proverbs 20:5 "Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water, but a man of understanding will draw it out." This was done so respectfully and graciously.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
His humility and courage are commendable, for him to participate in a patient, good-faith debate questioning his generational beliefs. Truly respectable.
Guys, Salvation is Very Simple HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins ** NO FEMALE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER ** - Hebrew Book of Isaiah (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. Isaiah 43:11 I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me. Isaiah 45:5 I am YaH, and there is none else.
I was raised in the Mormon church and many of my family members are still in the church and live in Utah. Praise be to GOD that I am now a born again follower of our great God and Savior JESUS CHRIST! Thank you for this video and for having compassion for these people. Let’s pray that many more people will realize that they can trust GOD’s word and turn to JESUS and be saved!
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
@@BandenIndarys yes. The message portrays the melchezedeck and levitical lineage to show that Yashuah is our High Priest and King; Both, Heavenly and earthly.
You can try to win an argument to destroy someone, or you can try to win an argument by being gentle, humble, loving, and win that person over to the Lord, and that's exactly what he's doing here, the work of the Lord!
Or you can win an argument by finding someone with little knowledge of the subject and then brow-beating him with propaganda and lies, like was done here
I used to be mormon I went to church one day and gave my tith to the state leader as he put it in his shirt pocket with a big smile at the time I was questioning the free masons and much more I literally heard God say there is your answer I left the church and found through Bible believing Christians on RUclips that we are saved through grace through faith I have learned so much of the truth its amazing God is so good
Joseph Smith writing himself into the Holy Bible is blasphemous and any true folower of CHRIST should see the writing on the wall the man was a liar. What Joseph Smith did to Jn. 1:1 got him face planted outside his second story jail house window.
I pray this honest Mormon man becomes a Christian. My hat is off to him for his intellectual integrity. Joel, your presentation of the Gospel is so compellingly grounded in the truth of holy scripture! Beautiful!
@24:34. I feel for this man. He struggles with what he was taught when faced with the truth of Jesus’s birth! I followed another path, and it is humbling and enlightening when I faced with the truth.
He is already a Christian. He believes in the Atonement of Christ for our sins. He has just been lied to about So many other things. It is so sad to watch.
Props to Greg for accepting rebuke of what he believed was truth. That's a hard thing for people to do, especially when it comes to scriptures. I pray the Holy Spirit continues to lead him down the path of truth and righteousness
@@vdoniel it was painful to watch, but not in a bad way if that makes sense. You could see the wheels turning in his mind. He didn't just shut it down. That's so incredibly difficult to do. Judging by Joel's lack of gray hair, it's been a while since this was recorded. I wonder where Greg is now.
@cindybin2001 it's not your errors, it's Joseph's. Your error will be pride. Every mormon I've met has too much pride. Judging by your comment, you do too. Pride goest before the fall.
Thank you for being gentle with the Mormon guy. Having come out of a cult myself, it is extremely distressing to be awakened to the truth of Christ/bible. My heart was going out to hime as I watched this podcast.
Hey Wendy, I’m glad you got out of whatever cult you were in and found Jesus. Truly, it’s so painful to face new ideas and changes, even when for the better. I myself a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and am happier than I’ve ever been. Personally, through my own research, prayer, fasting and striving to grow closer to God have come to find it as the place that draws me nearest to my savior and Lord Jesus. Anyway, I just wanted to comment to thank you for your love and compassion. Regardless of our differences in beliefs, I am always touched by the love that drives many of my other Christian brothers and sisters to approach me and others in an attempt to show us that which has brought them so much joy. Anyway, God bless you Wendy
@@Clayson000 you seem like a very happy guy Clayson. If you want to get technical, Latter-Day Saints aren’t traditional Christians. We aren’t creedal Christians either. But we are restorationist Christians. We believe in Jesus Christ (God the Son), God the Father, and the Spirit. We believe in the Bible (I’m partial to theNASB translation), and many of the same basic and general teachings. That said, we do differ in some pretty big ways in a handful of fundamental teachings. It’s something worth discussing with an open mind, though I’m not sure if a RUclips comment section is the best place
@anthonyterry2896 Who is God and what was God before he came to govern over this world. Also who is jesus and who is satan, and how are they related. I am fine conversing over a comments section
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Jesus or is he God Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the FATHER Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN Enter in through the narrow Door , Jesus is The Way Share Share Share A spark can start a fire Tell many
@cindybin2001 It's hard to have your beliefs challenged, but no one in this video is forcing anyone to do anything. All anyone can do is review the facts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. If you would say that because these are Christians making this video, it proves they're biased and can't be trusted, then I would suggest that the Mormon site you mentioned is guilty of the same bias and likewise cannot be trusted. Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing and all the evidence in this video is presented straight from the locations and texts themselves. If the Mormon in this video didn't have better evidence to show for his side, that's no one's fault but the Mormon Church, but it's not his fault. He seems a kind and caring soul. I suggest you consider watching this video with an open and honest heart and mind, and if you can disprove its contents with better evidence, then do so. But don't come here just to make others feel or look bad for believing the evidence they've been given here. Only God can change a heart.
My heart breaks for Greg. To spend his life learning and loving what he was taught, this had to be very difficult for him, both at the time, and since. The stakes are so high for Mormons, both in their learned life, and in the one they do not have due to being led astray. I pray for Greg, and all those Mormons I do not know, and all those that I do. Lord Almighty, please deliver these people.
Ohh not at all, Rejoice for Greg! As he looks to be a truth seeker of God, and through Greg's own path, God revealed himself to him. Greg will soon join Jesus Christ Church, and be blessed with true knowledge of Him.
And yet, what he has to gain is so much more and tremendous in comparison to religion and tradition. He can gain Christ! He is the truth! Many if us had to go through similar journey to abandon things we considered dear. But once you realize what is truly valuable, former things will fade away even if it might be painful at first. Praying for Greg.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I say this with a humble heart. Greg started out saying that the Bible is grade school and pearl of great price is high school, and ended up getting schooled. Never underestimate our Holy Scripture.
I am a Christian and studied the Bible often. After many years I happened to read Psalm 22 and broke down in tears that King David himself prophesized the Crucifiction of Jesus, hundreds of years BC.
Dr. Kipp Davis is a Hebrew scholar. I understand this is an appeal to authority, but any Bible scholar who is not bound by a statement of faith pretty much agrees this is a typo and a bad translation from the Hebrew to Greek.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
@@56username Most of those names don't mean that, some we don't even know what they mean, they are just names, what u just put is false. Don't try to add stuff where it isn't. Trying to be like Mr. Smith?
I just got back from my first trip to Israel and our tour guide there (a Messianic Jew) said, "You can only preach the gospel to a humble person." This man was trying so hard to set aside his pride and ego and was so close to accepting that he had been sold a lie. I applaud him for having an open mind enough to sit down for that because it must have been a grueling experience. Praying that he has since done the research sufficient for his soul to let go and embrace Jesus. Incredible video!
I was a Mormon once. It took a lot of research proof to finally wake me up and admit that it simply wasn't true--after 40 years! The internet is helping so many of us.
@@Cuinn837 I’m glad your happier down your current path. For me, it was the exact opposite that led me to true happiness. Through studying in depth and research and truly pondering what I had been taught about the Latter Day Saint faith, I’ve been brought closer to it and to Jesus Christ. Even these arguments in this video were fairly easy for me to refute based on my own personal research. Still, I can certainly respect those who reach another conclusion regardless of what I believe
@@budoboy1977 as far as I can tell yes. I’ve gone over hundreds of his prophecies in fact and they either were fulfilled or are yet to be, but none have been proven false that I have read and really studied
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
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Hi Greg, if you’re reading this praying for you and cheering you on! This was a divine appointment by the Almighty! Thank you Joel for your gentleness and kindness in leading Greg to Truth. Were learning a lot from your ministry. May God bless you.
Truth? What truth? There is no truth in this video. Here is the real truth for you. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gospel it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth
@@dylanwilliams2202 Where in the Bible is Nephi named? If Nephi is trustworthy, why is it written that Yeshua was born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem? Why do you preach to the dead when it’s forbidden in Torah to speak to the dead? Mormons are very much like Muslims. Both rely on books written well after the fact and dare to attack the Bible, saying their extra books ‘written’ by their prophets supersede the Bible. But, ok. No doubt you’ve been well versed in how to defend your book by pointing out alleged discrepancies in the Bible. But let’s talk about the lives of your prophets. The wells from which these verses flow. Were these wells living Water or poisoned wells? Were Muhammad and Joseph Smith righteous men? What was the fruit of their lives? Were they like Yeshua and His apostle Paul? Did they keep God’s commandments as Yeshua commanded and encouraged love, joy, patience, kindness, meekness and self control?
@@redeemedstone "Where in the Bible is Nephi named?" Uh he isn't. Him not being mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean anything. "If Nephi is trustworthy, why is it written that Yeshua was born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem?" Nephi never mentioned where Jesus was born, it was Alma and he didn't say he would be born in the city of Jerusalem. Alma didn't say he would be born in the City of Jerusalem. Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. When they talked about the city then they said the city of Jerusalem. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world. Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon. "Why do you preach to the dead when it’s forbidden in Torah to speak to the dead?" We or the living members don't preach to the dead. That preaching is done by people who were appointed and believed in Christ in this life. Also, Peter 3:19 "By which also he (Jesus Christ) went and *preached* unto the spirits in prison" and Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was *the gospel preached also to them that are dead,* that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit" "Mormons are very much like Muslims." Anyone who says that is ignorant of both religions. We are nothing alike. Islam is a false religion. "Both rely on books written well after the fact and dare to attack the Bible, saying their extra books ‘written’ by their prophets supersede the Bible." The Book of Mormon does not supersede the Bible. It is meant to be a companion to it and help and clarify the words and teachings of God. "No doubt you’ve been well versed in how to defend your book by pointing out alleged discrepancies in the Bible." I have never nor would I ever attack the Bible to prove the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon or the Church. In fact, I use the Bible to prove the truthfulness of both. Why would I attack something I consider scripture? "But let’s talk about the lives of your prophets." We do not consider Muhammad a prophet. Muhammad was a false prophet. "Were Muhammad and Joseph Smith righteous men?" Muhammad wasn't but Joseph Smith was as any man can be. " Were they like Yeshua and His apostle Paul?" Like Jesus? No, no one can really be like Jesus. Paul, Joseph Smith was. "Did they keep God’s commandments as Yeshua commanded and encouraged love, joy, patience, kindness, meekness and self control?" Joseph Smith did yea.
@@dylanwilliams2202 im going to ask you a question, I have zero knowledge of mormonism other than what I learned from matt stone and trey parker, so it is an honest question, i am not being condescending or mocking, I’m honestly interested. Does the LDS teach that joseph smith translated the mormon bible with golden plates that no one else has ever seen? And if not how did the mormon bible come about (short version is fine if there is one, im not expecting you to write the entirety of mormon history). But if they do teach that, how do you except that without thinking “that doesn’t sound right?” (Still not condescending, I’m honestly interested.) If someone came up to you today and said “I found this magical thing that I can’t show you but it says you should give me everything you own, you wouldn’t believe them, so how do mormons decide the difference between a scammer and a true prophet in that instance?
@@johnsourdiffe1664 _"Does the LDS teach that joseph smith translated the mormon bible with golden plates that no one else has ever seen?"_ There is no such thing as a "mormon bible". The official Bible we use is the KJV, though I personally read from the NRSV. The Book of Mormon is another story of a nation and people that believed in God and Jesus Christ and witnessed Christ's resurrection (Christ came down to them after His resurrection). Just as in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall all words be established, in the mouth of 2 or 3 nations shall they testify of Christ To answer your question, there were many people who saw the plates, 11 of which can be read in front of every book of Mormon. David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris saw an angel (Moroni) who appeared to them and showed them the plates, you can read that in the Testimony of the 3 witnesses. 8 others Joseph just randomly pulled out the plates to show them, you can read that in the Testimony of the 8 witnesses. David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris all eventually left the Church because of personal issues with Joseph but all of them never denied what they saw or there testimony of the Book of Mormon despite leaving (Martin and Oliver eventually came back before they died and testified of the Book of Mormon till there dying breath). Some of the 8 left but again, never recanted their statements. Something that isn't in the Book of Mormon is that but you can read about in the Church's history books called Saints, is that there were others who saw the plates. When Joseph brought the plates home for the first time he showed them to his family wrapped in cloth, a guy named Josiah Stowell was there and he said (and testified in court) that the cloth fell a little to where he saw the plates a little, he died a faithful member. Lucy Whitmer (David's mom) told a story that during the translation process (Joseph Smith was staying with the Whitmer's at the time), Moroni came up to her and said that God has permitted her to see the plates because she had to do extra work. Emma Smith (Joseph's wife) said she felt the plates under a cloth and felt the engravings. Also, a guy named Sydney Rigdon saw some of the same visions as Joseph Smith did, one being section 76 of the Doctrine and Covenants. One day Joseph Smith, Sydney Rigdon and a guy named Frederick G. Williams were praying about how the Kirtland temple should be built and all of them saw a vision of what the temple looked like. All of that was just off the top of my head, and not including some other things said from people after Joseph died. Name me another person who claimed Prophethood that experienced visions and angels with many other people and those people testify of it. Some of whom left them but still testified of what they said. _"And if not how did the mormon bible come about"_ The short version is that Joseph Smith was led to a spot where the plates were buried, dug them up and was told to translate them into English and that God would help. Joseph then dictated it to a scribe (who for the most part was Oliver Cowdery) in about 3 months. He then took it to a printer who printed it and made it into a book for him. If you are kinda curious about the timeline, the 3 and 8 witnesses saw the plates after the Book of Mormon was done being translated but before it went to the printers so that their testimonies can be included into the Book of Mormon. _"so how do mormons decide the difference between a scammer and a true prophet in that instance?"_ Well, you have all the testimonies I shared to back up Joseph Smith's stories and claims. We also encourage people to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and ask God whether it is true or not. I did about 2 years ago now. I prayed and asked and after I asked a strong feeling of warmth immediately spread across my chest, something that I hadn't felt before nor have I felt as strongly since. After that, I researched my Church's history and saw all these miracles and testimonies. The Early Church's history and saw evidence of the apostasy happen as creeds came and changed things. Archeology and saw some pretty interesting evidence for the Book of Mormon, and even the Book of Moses and Abraham. I say all that because while my testimony does have a spiritual aspect, it isn't just blind faith.
I am a Christian and live in Utah. I have been researching how to better defend the Bible and finding ways to better present it to my LDS friends. This video is such a blessing, thank you!
I’m a Christian and just moved to Utah, there’s 3 guys on their mission here who I’ve talked to several times, I told them my hang-ups with Mormonism: Joseph smiths background, polygamy, the lack of historicity, the inconsistencies of the Book of Mormon. I’m pretty sure I may have inadvertently given them confidence in converting me, just by being nice and asking them questions about Mormonism. Any tips you have for me in regards to the missionaries? I just can’t believe what they do, but everytime I bring up why isn’t Jesus enough and living like he told us to, they always quote from the Book of Mormon. I’m supposed to meet with them in a week, and I don’t want to offend them, but I can’t help but want to get them to question why they are so dedicated to Mormonism and not Jesus alone.
I had a problem with what Brigham Young did with plural marriage that continues today in the offshoot of Mormon and damages young girls that are inducted into that kind of thing. I consider it molesting children and not Christian teaching what so ever.
By now youve met with them. One must be very careful when dealing with people in a cult. Historicity is a solid argument but so is the argument that faith cannot come from the personal revelation of one person. If they try to bring up Moses, theyd lose whichever way you take it. If you admit that Moses was wrong, their whole faith crumbles because it claims to be the continuation or true version of christianity which itself claims to be the continuation of Judaism. The second, and correct response, is that Moses did not have an individual revelation. G-d spoke to him, but everyone at Sinai heard G-d. In fact all the people were invited to ascend Sinai for the same experience Moses did but they stayed at the base and sent Moshe instead.
Great comment: Show them the X-Ray The LDS dilemma Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
You really don't have to since the Authorized King James Version of the Bible is ;part of our Standard Works in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!
Ex Mormon here...the Bible itself refutes Mormon teaching as I discovered in a personal reading of the Bible. First point I discovered...I was always taught that Mormonism is the "one and only true church". But in revelations Jesus tells us that he will visit seven churches when he returns. Such a simple statement, but one that certainly got my attention. Second point...Mormons believe that you are married and sealed to your spouse for all of eternity. But in Matthew when Jesus is questioned about the seven brothers passing a wife down after their deaths, Jesus replies that in heaven, we are neither married, nor given in marriage. These are just the first two examples of the Bible refuting what I had been taught as a child, and with each subsequent reading, Jesus reveals more of his truth. I am so grateful that Jesus reveals more of himself to me through each reading and pray that many, many, many others receive the same knowledge as they throw their book of Mormon away and focus upon the true word, the Holy Bible.
Prayers for both men, who courageously opened up a dialogue that could easily have been destroyed by anger and resentment and judgment, and who journeyed together to try to find truth. The integrity of both shows through over and over. I am grateful for the improved understanding i gained from this video.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
Watching the video, my heart ached for the Morman man but at the same time, my heart was rejoicing as I watched him receive what was given to him. I pray that he made Jesus Lord of his life.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I know how he feels because I was raised in a Mormon household from the time I was born. My father was a Mormon bishop. My entire childhood was about Mormonism. As a teenager, I had to attend seminary before school where I was taught the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine & Covenants. Everything my family did had to do with Mormonism including most of our family vacations. Both sets of my grandparents warned me as a child that it was a lie. Because of them planting that seed of doubt, I started questioning everything that I had been taught. To make a long story short, I left the Mormon church the day I turned 18 years old. The bishop of the church sent me a letter that said they were revoking my baptism and taking the Holy Spirit from me and that God would hold me accountable for all the youth that I was leading astray. I lost my identity overnight. I had no idea who I was or what I believed and became so bitter. I spent years reading the Bible until finally one day, the Lord called me out of a world of darkness and confusion. I am so grateful the Lord delivered me and set me free and gave me a new identity in Christ. I pray that one day, my parents and brothers will be delivered. They are good people but as the Bible says, “they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.”
What a wonderful testimony. When reading the letters of Paul to the churches of his days, it constantly reminds me that the battle for consuming and spreading the right gospel is as ancient as the bible itself, yet as prevalent as in Paul's days.
I've recently come to realize the true gospel of Christ a few weeks ago and it finally all made sense after being confused in Mormonism for 17 years. I had seeds planted in my head for years but hearing the message of being saved by grace has been the greatest thing I've experienced. I hope one day this cognitive dissonance I am having between Mormonism and Christianity can end and I can fully immerse myself in Christ
@@itsdrewstewI’m go grateful that both us were delivered from years of indoctrination of false doctrines from false prophets. The best advise I can give you is to stay in the Word of God as much as you can and let it transform your mind. The Holy Spirit will reveal to you the love, grace, and mercy of the one and only true gospel of Jesus Christ. It has taken me years of prayer and studying the Word to find my true identity in Christ. Praying for you, my brother in Christ
Your gentleness in speech and careful speech/questions are godly my friend. I see the Spirit at work in you with the fruit of gentleness and self-control, keep it up! I want to imitate your speech brother
30 minutes in and seeing the grace and humility brings tears to my eyes. The humility of both sides is so pleasing to see. Seeing Greg understand the contradictions and not fight over it is so heartwarming. There is no fighting between either, just understanding and a sense of love towards each other and love for the truth
I gotta say that I have a lot of respect for the Morman guy. He looks at the truth and accepts that he has been mistaken. He takes it very well. Not an easy thing to do, especially on camera.
Brilliant. Joel this imo, is a masterpiece of evangelism. I will pray for Greg and all who might view this documentary. I am texting with tears because I have a true love for a Mormon family from my childhood. I'm now 67 and although I haven't seen them in decades I will never forget the kindness they showed me as a child. I have often prayed for them. May God bless this video to the salvation and peace of all who are under a false teaching. May this video be shared by all.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
Love to you lady! Trust what you knew. Those people you knew are some of the good examples of the believers. The church of jesus christ is just that. It is full of people who are striving to be better and fall short like the rest of human kind. We do believe in the bible!!!!Bible!!!!! There is so much that this poor man who was interviewed got caught unaware and was unprepared to answer correctly. He should not have tried to speak for our entire church. He got a lot wrong
My uncle was born, raised and died as a Mormon. His wife of 76 years was the same. I wish they knew Christ like I did, but I pray that God will have mercy on them when judgement comes. I've been grateful that I know Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. I would not have it any other way.
My heart goes out to this man who discovered that he believed a lie since his youth. At the same time I have such deep respect for him willing to acknowledge the truth.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@quantumloops1 Lol Bruh, there is nothing you could say that we do that would even be close to us worshiping Joseph Smith. Sorry but anyone who says we worship Joseph Smith is very ignorant. Joseph Smith never said he was greater than Jesus. I already know the quote you are misquoting but come on and quote it to me like you aren't just saying the same old talking points that have been refuted already.
@@dylanwilliams2202 By your own admission you didn't watch the video, yet here you are criticizing the content of this film. Cults are very hard to break free from I hear as in your case.
As a former Mormon, I am thankful for finding this video. IT confirms many things that are important to consider. As a Mormon, I was taught to use the Bible to prove the Mormon Church true. However, it was by taking the passages out of context that it was able to be done. It took a lot of soul searching and time in the Bible to discover that I had been trusting in a false Jesus.
"it was by taking the passages out of context that it was able to be done." LOL No, we aren't the ones who take Bible passages out of context. We know and teach the Bible better than every other denomination. If you are going to just repeat the same false teachings that other denominations teach then you *do not* know the Bible. Had you actually studied the Bible then you wouldn't have left. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. You have been led away by false teachings of the devil/ the philosophies of man mingled with scripture. Rejoin God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and rejoin their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@jesusbootcamp660 You can't find a verse that would make someone question our beliefs. Especially if you actually know them. You could definitely misquote scriptures that could confuse people but you all do that anyways. That _"I want to make to make the question things"_ proves that you intentions are not of God either but of Satan.
@@dylanwilliams2202 well they called jesus beelzebub so nothing new, you already are given over to a lie because you dont love the truth.. im talking about the victim mormons that still can be saved
@@jesusbootcamp660 _"well they called jesus beelzebub so nothing new"_ What are you talking about? Are you ok? _"you already are given over to a lie because you dont love the truth"_ Oh I love the truth. Which is why I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. To put it bluntly, the gospel every other Christian denomination teaches is a watered down version of what God's and Jesus Christ true gospel really is. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, 3 kingdoms of glory, doctrine of Adam and Eve, not worshiping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed, changed or added later by creeds and/or Martin Luther and you teach these things despite some of it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you. You don't have the truth and you won't win anything because the truth always wins out.
Joel I have such great respect how you handled this interview with Greg. It would be so easy to want to "win" the debate and lose the person you are witnessing to. You clearly have a heart for him and handled the whole interview with respect and a search for truth. We can all learn from this.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
I felt bad for Greg. He obviously agreed to do this but having your paradigm crumble in front of you is a monumental and very private moment. Now that it’s been several months I hope the cognitive dissonance is behind him and he can focus on the truth. I wish him well. Joel, this was such an excellent teaching tool to help others. Thank you for this important video. ❤️🙏
Greg is fine, I’m sure. Nothing in this video is alarming to a Mormon. I just wish this was done with an actual scholar and not ward member number 5. There are so many scholars that we have. That would be worth watching.
@@TheArkisSteadyA Mormon scholar can’t change facts, there are 0 ancient Mormon manuscripts. It’s a man inspired book written in the 1800’s, and has nothing to do with God. No amount of study or dedication will ever change that. The Book of Mormon disproves itself, through false prophecies over and over.
@@TheArkisSteady I have yet to see one comment debunking this video. I guess no lds member cared enough to do that. Oh well... the LDS church is an 18th century new organization (its a different belief and theology from the 1st century church) so I'm glad no one is trying to defend the LDS church by debunking this video.
I believe he was looking at what he was being shown with an honest heart and that he will search himself. I pray he will find salvation in Christ Jesus in due time. God knows what that time is.
The bar is quite low for being “saved” according to evangelical doctrine. Many LDS followers meet the standards of being saved. To exclude the LDS from being saved is an erroneous and judgmental conclusion.
@@gregj4509 No Greg, Not if they put their faith in the word of Joseph Smith. Not if they practice and live their lives according to JSmith when it is proven by Gods standard that he was Not a true prophet. Knowing that, how can you continue on with this group. I pray that God opens your eyes.
Have you come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ since you left the Mormons? Come to believe that He is God and came to die for your sins on a cross, so that by faith in Him you could be saved not by your own works, but rather through His finished work , His free gift?
Neither could I. That’s got to be a terrible feeling. Though I will say if Greg really does look into the arguments like he said he would, then he has nothing to fear. While I appreciated the video, I was disappointed by the overall lack of depth in every argument made. With even the most surface level research, it is so easy to disprove or refute every argument made against the church in this video. The scriptures were taken out of context, the nuance completely ignored. His arguments against archeology, Joseph smith, all of it was weak, out of context or frankly incorrect. I would encourage you to look into the arguments made a little more deeply and maybe look at actual Latter Day Saint beliefs regarding each of those criticisms made in this video. I’m not saying this will make you join the church or anything, but at least it might give you a better idea of why so many intelligent and successful people are part of the church and so dedicated. There is a lot that makes sense and even more that lines up with the biblical ancient church
Exactly. My heart broke for him, while I I also felt like just giving him a motherly hug of consolation…. Yet it is a relief to rescue even one from deception.
@@anthonyterry2896where is your archaeological evidence supporting Joseph Smith? What about this video was not true? Be specific, or please just sit down!
He looks to me like a true Man of God: In what he loves God and is looking for him, sincerily in his heart. This whole thing, might have been unconfortable, but a huge leap forward for him.
@@Angarsk100 I guessing his investment is to much a stumbling block for him. Like the young wealthy man that JESUS told to sell everything and follow him in Mat. 19:16-22.
My heart breaks for Greg. His life's work is being challenged. Yet I am happy to see him look into this from a perspective that does challenge what he was taught. This should inspire all of us to be Bereans. Let us look into the things we are being taught and see if it is being taught correctly. Excellent documentary. God's word is truth. Also, what a difference it makes to teach the truth in love. There is no argumentative approach. That closes doors. Thank you, Joel for living out 1 Timothy 1:5
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
I almost feel bad for Greg. When everything you've ever believed is turned upside down, it's a tough pill to swallow. I'll be praying for him. He handled it well and you introduced it to him well. I pray that he gets saved. ❤️
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
@@debraolson7553 The only thing I found wrong in this video was the site of Jesus's tomb, it is not under any church, but in the escarpment at Golgotha where Ron Wyatt found it, they call it the Garden Tomb! John 19.41 and Mathew 27.33
I love how different sides and different beliefs have a peaceful talk without debating or arguing. It's just calm, detailed, and patiently explained. Also, how they both listen to each other calmly and willingly without getting aggressive or heated up in argument. I also love how they put the bible first to do all the work. The bible says that God's word is more piercing than a double-edged sword, so we encourage scripture, scripture does the big transformative work.
Greg was very logical. And i will pray for him. What a kind hearted chap and even though his world was being torn apart he desired truth above how he felt. Heart goes out to you Greg
Thank you for posting this video. As a former member of the lds church I had trouble voicing my belief that the lds church was not right. This cleared it up for me.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest. With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument. As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
This is so well researched and presented. The Mormon is so transparent and humble in accepting the evidence rather than lashing out. I can see that he is in anguish because his commitment to his childhood faith.
Amen! To be fair to the Mormon community, I’ve personally never met a rude one. Though misled, they have always been good people to me on a personal basis.
@@jawshh559 why do you feel they are misled? Honestly, I have read and studied the bible. And i am currently reading the book of Mormon. Having spent a lot of time studying the bible, i see nothing but support of the bible, in the book of Mormon. I've been to the Mormon Church, and never have i experienced a more humble and spiritual people. God sent me a revelation, and told me this was a worthy church. After i had visited many many other churches. I would like to know why you feel they are mislead, because i don't see that at all. And after God answered a prayer i said to him, i believe the Mormons are actually more on track than any other church!
@@aliceleslie7704 Hi Alice, I can completely relate to what you are saying and feeling. Many of the things in the Mormon church seem to be good from the outside and this is why so many are attracted to it. But, having been raised in the Mormon church, I can tell you that this is deceiving. I love the Mormon people as many of my family are in the Mormon church so I say this in all love and I have no desire to offend them or you. There are many things in the Mormon religion that do not line up with GOD’s word, I believe this example to be the most simple: Mormons believe that if they live a life in which they follow all the rules and rites, they will become gods of their own planets. This is the original lie from the serpent in the garden of Eden and it is the foundation of many religions in the world. Genesis 2:4-5 - The serpent said to the woman “you will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God…” God has given us His word and we can trust it. The serpent is crafty and he knows the Bible well and he will do whatever he can to get you to believe the lie.
I would say he definitely showed love and patience in this video, but I don’t think I would say his explanation of the Latter Day Saint faith was gracious. Watching through the video, there were so many mischaracterizations and inaccuracies when it comes to what we truly believe. The scriptures from the Book of Mormon were taken out of context, the argument concerning evidence of the Book of Mormon was inaccurate, the “false prophecy” of Joseph Smith was taken out of context. Honestly, every argument made was weak and faulty. While I think the video was well produced I am a little disappointed by the lack of depth in the arguments. The arguments weren’t well researched and honestly in less than a few minutes of research, most people would be able to debunk or refute every argument he made.
@@anthonyterry2896 Regardless the (in)accuracy of the mornons' belifs presentation in this video, I find the basic argument of the author - that old testamental prophecies about Jesus Christ are accurate - as strong and logically convincing! Textological (epigraphic) and historical evidence is abounding. What cannot be said about the Book of Mormon. Therefore, there is no way to say along with J. Smith and his followers that original truth of God's Word was removed, hidden or perverted after the Apostolic period. Moreover, a Bible translation of J. Smith is very questionable because it turns to be more an attempt to rewrite, rework and expand the Bible. There were several attempts in history to do that (Marcion in the 2nd century AD denied the Old Testament, and Leo Tolstoy in 19th century had invented his own Gospel). By the way, there is not a single manuscript to confirm Smith's translation and/or to predate the Book of Mormon. Sorry, but textology and history are not on Smith's side of the road. 😢
@@anthonyterry2896 did Joseph Smith write a new Bible he thought was more true? And a key argument I have heard by Mormons is that the early church distorted the scriptures and fell away. Yet as the video showed, the scriptures we have today are more accurate than Joseph Smiths "inspired version", I believe it's called. Were those arguments false? I don't see how. And did Joseph Smith make an unfulfilled prophecy for a temple in Missouri? What do you know about that?
@@anthonyterry2896 I am honestly appalled at the Bible Joseph Smith wrote. It's like a forgery using the Bible, but why would anyone insert text into the scriptures so deceptively? It's really a sick thing to think about
I seen this documentary years ago and was just recently in the last few weeks wondering what happened with this gentleman. He’s an honest man that seems to be very open to the truth. I pray that he came to believe the truth and is doing great things for the kingdom of God today 🙏🏻
The amount of dishonesty involved with their representatives would make this hard to do, unless the person interviewing is extremely well versed in the Quran such as Sam Shamoun
@builderphill1361 they then say "the Bible has been corrupt!" A easy response is " since you all claim the Torah and b8ble are God's previous revelations, are you calling him a liar/ weak enough he couldn't protect it himself?
This video is a blessing to so many. My uncle and his family are part of the Mormon religion and I pray this video will help him see Gods truth. Pray for us. Love to all.
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this. When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 How do you explain the prophecies recorded in the Book of Mormon that were not true? Or did not come true? The test from the Old Testament still stands strong. For example, around 22:00 Alma’s prophecy about the Christ’s birth was proven wrong. And thank you for the information you provided. Have a good night and God bless.
@@hillbilly2424 Saying that Alma got the place where Christ was born wrong is slightly unfair. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Glen Burnie you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Baltimore then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known. Also saying Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters, were discovered. Near Eastern scholar D. Kelly Ogden described these The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah"
This breaks My 💔 because I starting thinking about all the people in the world that are being deceived. I thank God for the truth & I'm glad you were able to open his eyes. Praying that more Mormon's see this video & are awakened to the truth!!! The Bible is infallible & the Inspired Word of God!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Just witness the Truth to them and Live it. The rest will fall into place. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me". John 12:32 Most of the churches fail God in their example
@@TWC6724 I have downloaded the TrueLife RUclips video "Are Jehovah's Witnesses Right?" on my phone; I hope to be able to show it to a J.W. someday. :) The video contains three ex-J.W.s who describe the various problems with that faith (e.g. the J.W. leadership in New York keeps saying that the world is about to come to an end (like in 1975) but it never comes true).
Thank you for making this video, I am an Exmormon Born Again Christian, I live in northern Utah and have many friends who are still lost. I will share this with them and hope it changes their mind. God Bless!!
No you are the one who is lost buddy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. You have fallen for the philosophies of man mingled with scripture.
@@dylanwilliams2202once you’re born again, you will truly understand and see the heresy and blasphemous teachings of the Mormon church. Until then I’ll pray for you that one day Christ will work in your heart and regenerate you.
@@marcogonzalez2914 Lol you don't even know what it means to be "born again" because the protestant definition is wrong and unbiblical. When you are baptized you have become born again Romans 6:4 "Therefore *we were buried with him by baptism into death,* so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, *so we also might walk in newness of life"* Titus 3:5 "he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, *through the water of rebirth* and renewal by the Holy Spirit." The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. If something is heretical to your false creeds then that means nothing to us. That being said, only 2 things that I know of that we teach have been heretical teachings, being Souls being Eternal and baptism for the dead. But again, we don't care. Instead of just a nothing statement, come up with an actual argument.
I love seeing a man be humbled by the power of the truth of Gods word. God protects us so thoroughly, so perfectly, so lovingly. God is truth, he speaks only truth.
This is the most clear, straightforward and yes, respectful debunking of the book of Mormon I have ever heard. And it was done with calm reasoning, and thorough research. Thank you!
This video nicely compliments the TrueLife RUclips video "Is Mormonism True?", where the problems with The Pearl of Great Price re: Joseph Smith's translation vs. the translation using the Rosetta Stone are discussed.
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this. When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Please give Agrological evidence for the existence of the prophets that wrote the book of Mormon? and also why did the prophesy of building in Missouri never came true to this day?
@@apoligetics7 "Please give Agrological evidence for the existence of the prophets that wrote the book of Mormon?" How would you like or even expect me to do that? Modern North American archeologists don't know much about the people who lived here anciently and they definitely don't know the names of very many specific people, especially going as far back as 400 AD. I can give you evidence for the credibility of the Book of Mormon in general but if you are wanting a signed document then I can't produce a signed document from a Book of Mormon prophet because documents from that time period (600 BC - 400 AD) have not been found yet (or the Spaniards destoryed it when they came to America.) Not to mention, every old testament prophet like Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Noah, Moses, etc has no evidence they exist except for the bible. If an Atheist asked for "evidence for the existence" of them, how would you respond? If I were to guess you would give evidence of things that happened instead of a signed document. "why did the prophesy of building in Missouri never came true to this day?" The Missouri temple was a command, not a prophecy. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 and 51 confirms this. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings."... 51 "Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God." This straight up confirms, without requiring any speculation on the matter, that this was a commandment, not a prophecy, and that God mercifully rescinded it because of the Saints' literal inability to follow because of being persecuted by Missourians despite their best efforts. This isn't an apologists opinion, it is our scriptures straight up saying it was a commandment that God later revoked. Yes in D&C 84:2-5 it does say “shall”, however from the Webster’s Dictionary 1828 definition of “Shall”: “In the second and third persons [i.e., when applied to another person], shall implies a promise, command or determination. "You shall receive your wages," "he shall receive his wages," imply that you or he ought to receive them; but usage gives these phrases the force of a promise in the person uttering them."
@@dylanwilliams2202 Just to clarify I am not attacking your belief or faith just trying to understand, It just seems weird to me that God would give you a commandment and then it has to be revoked because of being persecuted , does God not know the future? And will He not only give you a command if He opens the doors to fulfil that command
A gentle gospel proclamation with love. This is just beautiful and I pray for this brother and his family and his youtube channel to be strong and save souls for our master Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️
Beautifully portrayed in such a loving way! Bless you for bringing this man to the truth. I will share this message to any member of the church of LDS.
It both breaks my heart and reaffirms my faith to see this man confronted with God’s word. And I realize how much love it takes for us believers to watch the revelation that a life has been built on the premise of faulty beliefs.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
I feel so bad for the man. I remember being in this position and I also said "i don't know what to believe anymore". It's tough when you realize you believed in a lie your entire life.
It must be tough, but also freeing. No more trying to earn salvation, no more saved today/condemned tmrw stress. Just Jesus is all you need, He is enough!
@@Kalico_Kid I believed in God my entire life but I also believed and practiced in so many non-biblical things that I thought honored God. And also did not practice sabbath which was the first of the commandments. But the walk with Christ I guess is a process.
What a gracious, gentle, truthful and kind sharing of the gospel. I felt this deep sorrow inside my stomach as I saw how disappointed he was as everything he had believed throughout his life was being exposed as false. The Lord has His hand on this man, and when he finally comes to terms with the truth, what joy and freedom he will experience. Thank you Joel for making this video and for so graciously helping to open the eyes of the blind. "Come, let us reason together..."
This is a beautiful awakening for this humble, wonderful Mormon man. He was so open and willing to open his heart and mind to truth. As the Lord said, ‘Come, let us reason together.’ I hope this man chose to turn his back to this false religion and turn his heart to Jesus. God please bless and help him. God bless Joel as well.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ true church here on earth. Gregg has turned his heart to Christ because we believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later.
I’m only about 15 minutes into this, which is already incredible! Thank you, Joel, for not being condescending, or even rolling your eyes! Jesus’ Love has truly come through in you! May he continue to bless you, your family and his work! Thank you so very much! John 3:16❤️
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this. When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Well stated Dylan. And, the rest of the Video is just as atrocious, just a bunch of gaslighting, misdirection, and twisting misinformation. The mere fact there is more than one interpreted translation of the Bible, fulfills Nephi's prophecy. As foretold and declared in the Bible, the full gospel of Jesus Christ would be and was lost from the earth through the apostasy that took place following the earthly ministry of Christ’s Apostles. That apostasy made necessary the Restoration of the gospel. Through visions, the ministering of angels, and revelations to men on the earth (aka Prophets and Apostles), God has restored the fullness of the gospel; which, the Bible also declared would happen before the return of the Savior of the world. It's all there folks. Check & check, yea, the Bible is two for two on these. (or has the restoration not happened like the Bible says would happen, thus, then is the Bible false). See that game could be played all day. Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and yes, the New Jerusalem Temple will be built where Joseph said it would be. No worries, this generation, means the generation of the last days, spoken of in the Bible. So even if the walls are barely going up on the temple, when the Lord comes, it's still the last days and qualifies, prophecy still valid. (the vanity of men, Lord, you must fulfill your prophecy on my time frame). So then, since Nephi's prophecy was correct, as part of the restoration of the gospel, in addition to bringing forth the Book of Mormon, to be join with the the Bible, as a witnesses of God, the Lord restored the translation of the Bible as well, through His prophet. Just as Prophets and Apostle of old wrote inspired words, so too does God's current Prophets and Apostles write inspired words. None of the papyrus referenced in this video are the original manuscripts of the prophets, they are someone else's version of stories being told. We know from Paul's "writing", there were even in his day, false teachers who would wrongly interpret and preach their own version of doctrines; if as Paul describes, people were preaching false ideas, they were probably writing them down as well, so yes, there would be papyrus with false teaching and incorrect versions of doctrines. Old doesn't make them true or accurate. The Bible is clear on 'works': We are all saved from death by the Grace of God (Resurrection of the dead), we are then rewarded based on works. Jesus said so Himself. Jesus states in Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. How do we glorify our Father in Heaven? Jesus says in Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. A couple more on works: James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And many, many more. No matter how much we profess the Lord's name, we are not getting the best of God's rewards without good works. Plain and simple. Yes, the fullness of the gospel of Christ has been restored in the last days, as was prophesied in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and who had authority to write scripture inspired by God; the Lord has a living Prophet on the earth today who holds the same keys the Lord gave Peter. The Book of Mormon is true and is another witness of Jesus Christ, The Great Jehovah, The Son of God. Peace and Love
@@marciadiehl5733 So you get to a comment that addresses the video and yet you have nothing to say? Yea, that is what I figured because you don't have the truth. Shouldn't that tell you something? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
Just had some Mormon missionaries come to my door. I had just recently watched this and so was able to discuss in brief some of these points with them. They gave me a copy of their book of Mormon and later my son and I followed along in real time your points about Isaiah 29. What a great opportunity to give my son of real world example of "testing the spirits" in considering what is true. Thank you for such a clear presentation of the truth-claims and facts!
This is amazing. The love and gentleness with which you walked him through that is truly Christlike. My heart breaks for Greg, and I pray that God shows him the peace and the rest found in the free grace of Jesus.
Wow, amazing job! I will be sharing this with my Mormon family members and pray they see who they are truly following 🙏 I was almost a Jehovah witness myself at one point, but my eyes were truly opened by YAH 🙌
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
@cindybin2001 are you a bot? You seem to say the same few sentences over and over. Yet, in all the multiple posts you have written under this video, I have not seen you present a single, valid argument against anything addressed in it. Joseph Smith has been shown to be a false prophet here. There are no witnesses to his receiving the book of Mormon from heaven, no manuscripts predating his lifetime and no evidence in the 1,000's of early manuscripts of scripture of these so-called missing portions or different verses. It all originates with Joseph Smith. What more evidence do you need?
In my searching, I got that same feeling when I visited their temple, when they denied Jesus is God, I knew things were wrong in that place and never went back. Christianity is not a religion--It's a Way of Life.
Joel, please do a followup video with him. I'm sure he's thought about this a lot since you posted the video a year ago. Whatever his beliefs are now, even if they're the same, it would be really interesting to hear about it. Amazing video!
This brought me to tears! I am so grateful that I can say that I follow the Way, the Truth and the Live. This was even for me as a Bible believing Christian so helpful.
Unfortunately for those stuck in Isaiah 6:9-10 and who are missing the miracle of Isaiah 29:14, this video is full of inaccuracies, half-truth, lies, and dishonesty.
Beautifully done. I have shared this to my social media in the (prayerful) hopes that my extended family members, many devout 1st, 2nd & even 3rd generation mormons, will watch this and get saved/are delivered from the Mormon church. Some even served in the temple and in their ward or in the case of my cousin a teacher at a private Mormon school. Please pray for their salvation 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 God bless you ❤❤❤
I work from home and I work for myself.. and I am so blessed to be able to watch RUclips anytime I want and I spend many hours a week on here. And I mostly watch great Christian channels.. and out of many thousands of channels, this one is absolutely one of my favorite channels! Please keep making more beautiful videos bc Jesus is coming back very soon!!! God bless you & love you all who put each episode together! Praying for you all!!! MARANATHA!
1) Praise God for Joel's gentleness; 2) Praise God for Greg's willingness and humility to acknowledge the evidence, w/o being argumentative; 3) Being confronted with evidences contrary to a long-held belief is a mental/emotional crisis. May God have mercy and transfer this person, if he hasn't already.
I couldn’t hold myself to tears when I was watching this well made video. I praise God for Joel, for his knowledge of the Truth, as much as I do the same for Greg, for his openness and humility! Let all the scholars/archaeologists, biblical or secular, who have contributed to the biblical truth be remembered by all Christ-followers!
I was raised mormon but at the young age of 10 - 12 I knew that something was wrong with their teachings. I left the church and never looked back! I was and am a truth seeker I knew their teachings were wrong but I didn't think that it was this bad! Thank you God for your salvation and saving me from the lies! I love you 🙏❤️
In the 16th year of Tiberius in the 5th month and the 29th day (april 15, 27 AD) Yashua of Natsurat (Jesus of Nazareth) was tried and convicted of treason, sedition and rebellion then crucified. Twelve days later his body was reported as missing. This is a record from the roman empire discovered in the Vatican archives in 1996 In our Bible it says third day He was resurrected, However we are talking about government efficiency, It took 9 days for the information to get recorded due to people tasked with stopping the body theft not wanting to claim responsibility for it. Pilot was called before Caesar Why did you crucify him Pilot explained Political. Tiberius screamed That is why you had 3 legions! Sent to what is now Cardovia, Spain where he was tried, convicted, and executed for sedition
sorry Laura, but there are no truth seekers. There are truth suppressers only. the gospels alone saves and not intuition. I am glad you are not a Mormon, but that only leaves room for something else to fill that void. The Just shall Live By Faith.
Just wow. This was really amazing to watch and study. Even as a Christian, this information really helps to support the reliability of the Word of God, as this is the one thing many unbelievers bring up first. Thank you Joel for all the time and effort you put into each of your video's. Also a thank you to Greg who was willing to participate in this conversation. I can just imagine the distress he may have gone through as the truth started to shine a light on the lies he has believed his entire life. I pray for his salvation, that he may turn towards the authentic Jesus. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John 1:5
Great video! I’m currently going through a faith transition out of the LDS church and after discovering that I had been misled I struggled to trust the Bible. It is nice to know that the Bible has actual historical evidence for its claims, unlike the BOM. I had no idea how much Joseph smith added to the Bible! I still go to church because of my family but I can’t stand it when I hear people stand up on the pulpit and call Joseph smith a prophet. I want to know who Jesus really is but don’t know who to talk to. Thank you for presenting this video so well, it has given be a renewed trust in the Bible.
Dear Braiden, my heart weeps for you, I love you and I would love to show you how you can have a Peace in your soul by only showing you verses in the Bible. I have found the answer in God's word over 42 years ago at the age of 30 and I was broken and thought that I would never know for sure of Heaven. I am not going to try to get you to join a church, I am not wanting any money, my Bible tells me that it is a Gift of God we do not need to work for it. I have had Joy and Happiness and a Peace that passeth all Understanding for now over 42 years, and I would love to show you the way, only by way of the Bible. If you wish to converse with me, I would love to try to lead you to the truth of God Himself, so you can have the same assurance that God Himself gave me. I no longer fear to die because I know this, that when that happens, I will go directly into Heaven to be with Jesus for all Eternity. He says to the True Christian that if He goes and prepares a place for us He will come again for us. That is His promise!
Hello, thank you for your kind comment. I would love to converse with you. I feel disconnected to god since I stopped believing in the Mormon faith. I’m not sure I really ever knew him. I want to though. Where should I start? I’ve been trying to read a Bible the NIV but I have questions that I need clarity on. For example I’m still not sure if the trinitarian god is real or if they are separate. I need to find a group to talk with
@@braidenmccaleb9027 Dear Braiden, we just left on vacation and I got your message, it made me happy. I want very much to point you to the True Jesus. I am on my phone and I have a very hard time to text. We will be gone for 21 days, l would hope you will still want to know more when we get back. I would like for you to read some of my responses that I sent to another RUclips Video, If you would have an open heart when reading them I would think that you will learn something very special. Please, first find and read the ones that I wrote to Dave in the order that I had written them so you can get the connection. After you read those then and only then, Please read the ones that I wrote to "Gideon Qwikfut" also in the order of my writings so you get the connection. The RUclips Video is called, "Was Joseph Smith a false prophet?" Dear Braiden, I beg of you to ask God to open your mind and mean it with all your, If you will do that you will be on the road of more happiness than you have ever known because I found that over 42 years ago when I was only 30 years of age. I have never lost that Security. You might ask why do I really care? It is because I love you and I care. Most importantly my Lord Jesus cares about you.
As a former Mormon, I can testify that all this is true. This is a marvelous piece of work! The Mormon Church pulled me out of a life that was surely a fast rack to hell, but I listened to the doubts that over the years kept popping up in my mind about the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, and through Gods help and a strong belief in Christ, I came to finally realize the Truth, and it has set me free. Praise God!
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@andybooth5269 No I got the point, this video is meant to try and destroy people's faith in our Church and/or give you other Christians weak strawman arguments and misinformation. While I didn't watch it all, from the first couple of points I watched it showed that this is video complete garbage and this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. I have said this to other people but I will say it here too. (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 “For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ” NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is no man good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and understood as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible.
@@andybooth5269 Also for Alma, Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world. Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon.
🌱😀🌱 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Believe as a child Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened The Truth will set you Free Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 Jesus Loves You Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST You are BORN AGAIN I
"That's what I've been taught". This is a phrase that I and many others have used to describe something that we learned in school that has later turned out to be wrong, and, most importantly, we recognize now that it was wrong.
Thank you for this excellent program. I'm not sure I have ever seen anything quite matching the quality of this production and its ability in reaching the goal of showing the truth.
My heart hurt watching Greg realize what has happened to what he has believed for so long. What a gracious and honest man and I pray he finds the peace and truth of the Word of God.
My exact thoughts, that moment when he realized. I felt so much compassion for him.
What spiritual devastation Greg is going through. We should be compassionate toward this man. None of us have all the answers or understanding about our relationship with Jesus. His belief about Jesus has just been shattered. It will take him time to process what it all means. Pray for this brother!
💯 % but he’s better off in the long run. He does appear to be a man of humility. I think he’s going to be alright.
A couple hour conversation doesn’t unravel a lifetime of belief and devotion. We are not robots, we’re humans. While logic and reason informs our decisions, we are, at the core of us, emotional beings.
I want to believe this man turned from his path of destruction. But, I doubt he did. I think he probably doubled-down and found ways to rationalize the “truth” of Mormonism.
@@67L48 once a man sees the Truth. He can deny in his heart as much as he wants but the Truth will always prevail. The Word of God will ALWAYS prevail.
Thank you Jesus for setting me free🙌🏾 I was raised as a Jehovah's witness and I was set free by the truth of the Bible.
Praise God
@@vdoniel amen sister
Praise God ❤
@@melblack7412 amen sister
@@willevans3580 I have family members in this organization, you inspire me!!
Greg seems like a genuinely sweet and thoughtful man. He's unusually honest with himself, and just watching him going through this is painful, but I pray it touched his heart and God used it to change his life forever. Bless his heart.
My heart goes out to Greg. As a Christian I can not imagine being in his position and having your faith completely discredited. He grew up in the Mormon religion so he didn’t know better than to wholeheartedly believe what he was taught. I hope his life is richer having learned THE TRUTH.
I felt for him too. I'm thankful he heard the truth though! May his heart be changed by God's grace.
Well Said and AMEN.
Come out of ALL false religions they add unto the Word and that is antiChrist behavior!!
It is striking that each of us is lead to feel compassion and love towards Greg. He seems like us, he seems to want to do what is right before God, but he has to overcome the lies he was taught as a child. It should open our own eyes to some of the lies being taught in our own churches. For we are not perfect in our doctrine when we divide by domination, I cannot say that I am of Paul, or you are of Peter and be righteous... Rather we must be one faith... I could go on, but I do not want to take away from this video as it is based in truth.
I'm in the process of leaving the church at the ripe old age of 17, right around the time everyone starts asking me about my mission. I meet with my bishop tomorrow to talk about this stuff and this video provides, by far, the best and most comprehensive case against Joseph Smith I've seen thus far. It provides lots of evidence for the things that I have been feeling as I learn more about church history and the contradictions the LDS scripture has with the bible. Thank you for this. The Bible is beautiful and I have accepted it as the word of God, uncorrupted, and for that I praise the Lord Jesus, my God.
Wow. God has blessed you mightily. Praying for you 🙏 Stand fast in Christ.
Please pray for my Mormon spouse who needs salvation to accept the true gospel of Jesus Christ to trust the blood of Jesus. Jesus is God
If you read the Holy Bible in its entirety, and pray for understanding, then you will know with certainty that Joesph Smith was a false prophet.
Hello friend. How did this go? Have you broke away yet? Hope you are well and strong in Christ and The Truth.
Don't lose faith in God, just the false teachings. God will walk with you as he has given you discernment with The Spirit to know in your soul that something is wrong with these heresies.
What a raw and beautiful testimony of how Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible revealed Himself to you and removed you from the deception within Mormonism! Keep going! Angels of God are cheering for you in heaven :)
It is heart wrenching to watch Greg wrestle with this. I was raised Mormon and I know the feelings he is experiencing. Please, everyone, we need to pray earnestly for Greg. He is clearly open. Christ is knocking on his door. What a victory it would be to see Greg become a brother in Christ!
I felt the same as you and so many about the struggle Greg was going through. I could see God touching his heart and I fully believe Greg will come to believe and understand that God's word is the true word. I believe the Holy Spirit will continue to work in his heart and he will find his way to the Truth and accept Jesus into his heart.
Cognitive dissonance can be brutal.
The remnant pieces that he is claiming are found in caves in Jerusalem are cartoons and not the originals and it just shows them walking in a dirt cave which does not really show evidence and when I was a Mormon I remember them teaching me that the discrepancies in the Bible happened with King James when he got all the religions together and made them agree on a single Bible so they had to change it to be agreeable with everyone to King James liking. This is just some things I'm noticing. I also noticed that the Mormon he is interviewing is probably a common lay Mormon who hasn't studied a lot about the Bible the book of Mormon or the Mormon religion itself he probably just goes to church every Sunday and reads the scriptures sometimes.
@@carmelahearle957 you were taught a half truth. Whilst King James wanted a translation from the originals to divert power from Rome and to solidify his own, he ironically put the hands of the Bible into the common man and allowed the peasant (if they were literate) to read the Scriptures which previously was almost impossible as it was reserved for clergy and exclusively in Latin and not English. The Bible was previously only Latin reproductions of the Latin Bible.
as someone who spent a decade in the mormon faith I can tell you the church has been corrupted same as the catholic church,
What a gracious guy…had his faith dismantled and never became angry. Awesome episode!
he was humble. God uplifts the humble
because his faith was not "dismantled."
so why would he be angry ?
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
One time he said he was angry. I feel he was angry that he was taught falsehood.
his faith was not "dismantled" in the least.
I am from Singapore. I am nearing 50, but in my teenage days when I have not yet dedicated my life to Christ, I was introduced to the LDS church here in Singapore. I thank God that while in that first meeting, something in my heart caused me to feel troubled. So troubled I was that I wanted to bolt out the door in an instant if not for my friend holding me back. After that day I told myself that I am never going back to that church. I soon found God a few years later and had been thankful ever since to know that one God that had remained true. I pray that Greg will find courage to walk out and be free.
Lol, that Mormon dude is actually a pastor.
@@PriceBalloons Your proof?
Why? Because he defend the false faith?
Can you refute the fallacy of the Book of Mormon?
It's like many Roman Catholics don't pray to Mary nor do they believe that the Pope is infallible... But ideally they should leave, there are other truthful options.
The soft, kind and loving approach was a lesson in itself
That is how one changes minds and reveals truth. Not with confrontation or anger. Many need to learn this.
My sister is a morman.. she joined 2 years ago and has been telling me that she has been feeling that there was something wrong and has been praying for guidance and the truth too be revealed about the church.... Well here is the answer to her prayers! Thank you for the help GBYA ❤️
i would at least tell your sister to try and find some of the places mentioned in the book of mormon (not the broadway play lol)
the book talks of geographical areas that no one can find on earth, talks of giant epic battles on ... a hill outside NY but there are no bones, arrowheads, mass graves...nothing
at least start with that as a way not to bring doubt on her life but to show her the truth
Also joseph smith was likely killed by his buddies who stole his cult.
@@itsa-itsagames In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, it starts in the middle east and it mentions places in the middle east that we later found. Nahum, Bountiful, etc. There is even a map of the route we think Nephi's family took based on what is in the Book of Mormon and real geographical areas in the middle east.
The hill in NY is not the same hill mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon took place mostly in central and south america. Look up the Lidar system.
tell her to get out, now, the book of Mormok is written by man, not,God same as the Catholic bible, & the new KJV, man has corrupted them,The Old KJV,.is the nearest translation to the original, best you ask God what's Kosher or not, Amen!
@@patriciadavis2506 The Book of Mormon is true.
Born Mormon, served a mission… all that none sense! Today I am a saved Christian resting in the finished work of Christ. I often wonder why the Lord has saved my soul and brought me out of those lies, lies that were instilled in me since I was a child. Glory to God, the eternal, uncreated, holy God of the Bible.
Perhaps because God knows the very heart of you and that you would follow Jesus. You have obviously done this, praise God, dear brother. Your words show that you are humble in our Lord, as well. Only those who speak as you have spoken, here, are humble.
It is simple, God loved you before you were born, and he is Gracious.
Please share this with every LDS you know!
Once again I would caution and warn against any Denomination or other religion other than Judimaism and Christianity. Even Christians need to be warned not to stray from support of Judaism. They are Prophetically connected and must be protective of each other or face separation from ALMIGHTY GOD'S FAVOR
Welcome to the Family of God!
Props to the mormon man for sitting, listening, and being honest.
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ? Jesus or is he God
Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the FATHER
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN
Enter in through the narrow Door , Jesus is The Way
Share Share Share
A spark can start a fire
Tell many
Guys, Salvation is Very Simple
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
** NO FEMALE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER **
- Hebrew Book of Isaiah (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 45:5
I am YaH, and there is none else.
He’s a rare one, I know from my own journey that very few Mormons (including myself) would ever listen like that without doubling down and blasting you with their “testimony” of every single thing they’ve been taught since childhood
Pray for this ex-mormon man! That he may believe in the true Jesus and the true Bible! I don't know if he has, but I trust that he did!
Think on this. Joseph Smith knew Christ was born in Bethlehem, so why, if he was writing fiction to convince others it was scripture, would be place that in the book of mormon? At a 4th grade education, he writes a 500 page novel in very few days, but misplaced Christ's birthplace? Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem. At 6 miles from the actual city of jerusalem. How many New York City "New Yorkers" live in the Bronx or Queens?
Proverbs 20:5
"Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water, but a man of understanding will draw it out."
This was done so respectfully and graciously.
Gosh...
I feel deep compassion for this man. I also appreciate his honesty with himself
Me too. His angst is very visible! This man loves God.
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
His humility and courage are commendable, for him to participate in a patient, good-faith debate questioning his generational beliefs. Truly respectable.
Guys, Salvation is Very Simple
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
** NO FEMALE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER **
- Hebrew Book of Isaiah (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 45:5
I am YaH, and there is none else.
@@56username Believe His finished work and trust He's the only Way to The FATHER. Reconciliation💖💖💖
I was raised in the Mormon church and many of my family members are still in the church and live in Utah. Praise be to GOD that I am now a born again follower of our great God and Savior JESUS CHRIST!
Thank you for this video and for having compassion for these people. Let’s pray that many more people will realize that they can trust GOD’s word and turn to JESUS and be saved!
Amen
Praise Jesus the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings 🙏
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
@@56username My question is, is there a message in the lineage of Jesus in Luke 3:23-38?
@@BandenIndarys yes. The message portrays the melchezedeck and levitical lineage to show that Yashuah is our High Priest and King; Both, Heavenly and earthly.
You can try to win an argument to destroy someone, or you can try to win an argument by being gentle, humble, loving, and win that person over to the Lord, and that's exactly what he's doing here, the work of the Lord!
Amen! It took me many decades to finally learn to discuss to understand rather than argue to win.
Well said
He's representing Christ the right way, not attacking him like some other Christians do
Beautifully said. 🫶
Or you can win an argument by finding someone with little knowledge of the subject and then brow-beating him with propaganda and lies, like was done here
I used to be mormon I went to church one day and gave my tith to the state leader as he put it in his shirt pocket with a big smile at the time I was questioning the free masons and much more I literally heard God say there is your answer I left the church and found through Bible believing Christians on RUclips that we are saved through grace through faith I have learned so much of the truth its amazing God is so good
Joseph Smith writing himself into the Holy Bible is blasphemous and any true folower of CHRIST should see the writing on the wall the man was a liar. What Joseph Smith did to Jn. 1:1 got him face planted outside his second story jail house window.
Welcome brother in Christ and I’m really happy that your are part of Christianity with me and other brothers and sisters
Smith used to be a freemason. Both are huge false cults. God protect people from all of those institutions of the devil.
Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, come to know Christ better, read your Bible, it is the word of God.
Praise be to God Almighty 🙏
I pray this honest Mormon man becomes a Christian. My hat is off to him for his intellectual integrity. Joel, your presentation of the Gospel is so compellingly grounded in the truth of holy scripture! Beautiful!
AND spoken out of love for this man!
He is already Christian what are you on about.
@24:34. I feel for this man. He struggles with what he was taught when faced with the truth of Jesus’s birth! I followed another path, and it is humbling and enlightening when I faced with the truth.
He is already a Christian. He believes in the Atonement of Christ for our sins. He has just been lied to about So many other things. It is so sad to watch.
@@SilentraddishMormons aren’t Christian’s
Props to Greg for accepting rebuke of what he believed was truth. That's a hard thing for people to do, especially when it comes to scriptures. I pray the Holy Spirit continues to lead him down the path of truth and righteousness
Amen! His humility speaks volumes!
it will be very hard for him only because of the ramifications it will mean for him, family cut off etc. very sad indeed.
The pain in his eyes was apparent.
Amen
@@vdoniel it was painful to watch, but not in a bad way if that makes sense. You could see the wheels turning in his mind. He didn't just shut it down. That's so incredibly difficult to do. Judging by Joel's lack of gray hair, it's been a while since this was recorded. I wonder where Greg is now.
Ex-Mormon here. I’m so grateful God got ahold of me, and got my wires uncrossed.
Amen pal.
Amen brother.
Praise God 🥰
I’m am very happy to hear this I have family stuck in this cult and believe that they are the truest of true. Sad. Glad your out.
@cindybin2001 it's not your errors, it's Joseph's. Your error will be pride. Every mormon I've met has too much pride. Judging by your comment, you do too. Pride goest before the fall.
Love your gentle and respectful way of apologetics. It’s loving and shows the way it should be done. I’ve learnt something from just your calmness.
Thank you for being gentle with the Mormon guy. Having come out of a cult myself, it is extremely distressing to be awakened to the truth of Christ/bible. My heart was going out to hime as I watched this podcast.
Hey Wendy, I’m glad you got out of whatever cult you were in and found Jesus. Truly, it’s so painful to face new ideas and changes, even when for the better. I myself a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and am happier than I’ve ever been. Personally, through my own research, prayer, fasting and striving to grow closer to God have come to find it as the place that draws me nearest to my savior and Lord Jesus.
Anyway, I just wanted to comment to thank you for your love and compassion. Regardless of our differences in beliefs, I am always touched by the love that drives many of my other Christian brothers and sisters to approach me and others in an attempt to show us that which has brought them so much joy.
Anyway, God bless you Wendy
@@anthonyterry2896but your arent a christian. Mormons are not christians so please dont group my religion with your fake one
@@Clayson000 you seem like a very happy guy Clayson. If you want to get technical, Latter-Day Saints aren’t traditional Christians. We aren’t creedal Christians either. But we are restorationist Christians. We believe in Jesus Christ (God the Son), God the Father, and the Spirit. We believe in the Bible (I’m partial to theNASB translation), and many of the same basic and general teachings. That said, we do differ in some pretty big ways in a handful of fundamental teachings. It’s something worth discussing with an open mind, though I’m not sure if a RUclips comment section is the best place
@anthonyterry2896 Who is God and what was God before he came to govern over this world. Also who is jesus and who is satan, and how are they related. I am fine conversing over a comments section
Thank you, LORD Jesus. You saved me from mormonism after 33 years. This video was one of the instrumental tools he used.
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ? Jesus or is he God
Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the FATHER
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN
Enter in through the narrow Door , Jesus is The Way
Share Share Share
A spark can start a fire
Tell many
Wow - praise God!
@cindybin2001 It's hard to have your beliefs challenged, but no one in this video is forcing anyone to do anything. All anyone can do is review the facts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. If you would say that because these are Christians making this video, it proves they're biased and can't be trusted, then I would suggest that the Mormon site you mentioned is guilty of the same bias and likewise cannot be trusted.
Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing and all the evidence in this video is presented straight from the locations and texts themselves. If the Mormon in this video didn't have better evidence to show for his side, that's no one's fault but the Mormon Church, but it's not his fault. He seems a kind and caring soul. I suggest you consider watching this video with an open and honest heart and mind, and if you can disprove its contents with better evidence, then do so. But don't come here just to make others feel or look bad for believing the evidence they've been given here. Only God can change a heart.
@cindybin2001please ask God to show you the truth by His Spirit with a humble, open heart... Deception can be subtle xx
Glory to God!!!!
My heart breaks for Greg. To spend his life learning and loving what he was taught, this had to be very difficult for him, both at the time, and since. The stakes are so high for Mormons, both in their learned life, and in the one they do not have due to being led astray. I pray for Greg, and all those Mormons I do not know, and all those that I do. Lord Almighty, please deliver these people.
❤
Ohh not at all, Rejoice for Greg! As he looks to be a truth seeker of God, and through Greg's own path, God revealed himself to him. Greg will soon join Jesus Christ Church, and be blessed with true knowledge of Him.
And yet, what he has to gain is so much more and tremendous in comparison to religion and tradition. He can gain Christ! He is the truth!
Many if us had to go through similar journey to abandon things we considered dear. But once you realize what is truly valuable, former things will fade away even if it might be painful at first.
Praying for Greg.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I also pray for all Mormons and all people to find the truth of Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen!
I say this with a humble heart. Greg started out saying that the Bible is grade school and pearl of great price is high school, and ended up getting schooled. Never underestimate our Holy Scripture.
Thought Greg was a Mormon Leader ??? Big Doubt all over his face.
I am a Christian and studied the Bible often. After many years I happened to read Psalm 22 and broke down in tears that King David himself prophesized the Crucifiction of Jesus, hundreds of years BC.
G I can’t even understand it let alone get that message ?
Yes and Jesus quoted Psalm 22 and spoke about how he felt while on the cross. The Bible points forward and backward. An intricate puzzle
The 23rd Psalm is much more known, but it completely pales in significance to the 22nd Psalm
Even more amazing considering in David's time crucifixion didn't even exsist yet!
Dr. Kipp Davis is a Hebrew scholar. I understand this is an appeal to authority, but any Bible scholar who is not bound by a statement of faith pretty much agrees this is a typo and a bad translation from the Hebrew to Greek.
You can tell that Greg is a very sweet natured man. Kudos to him for sitting through that and challenging himself. It's not easy to do.
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
@@56username Most of those names don't mean that, some we don't even know what they mean, they are just names, what u just put is false. Don't try to add stuff where it isn't. Trying to be like Mr. Smith?
I agree. Frankly, it was difficult to watch him go through that.
Seriously, it's impressive. Most people just shut their ears and eyes and walk away when their false beliefs are challenged by facts.
@King of Sadness👑: Apologetics I just looked up all the names and their meanings. Why would that be debunked? It is in fact very interesting
I just got back from my first trip to Israel and our tour guide there (a Messianic Jew) said, "You can only preach the gospel to a humble person." This man was trying so hard to set aside his pride and ego and was so close to accepting that he had been sold a lie. I applaud him for having an open mind enough to sit down for that because it must have been a grueling experience. Praying that he has since done the research sufficient for his soul to let go and embrace Jesus. Incredible video!
I was a Mormon once. It took a lot of research proof to finally wake me up and admit that it simply wasn't true--after 40 years! The internet is helping so many of us.
@@Cuinn837 I’m glad your happier down your current path. For me, it was the exact opposite that led me to true happiness. Through studying in depth and research and truly pondering what I had been taught about the Latter Day Saint faith, I’ve been brought closer to it and to Jesus Christ. Even these arguments in this video were fairly easy for me to refute based on my own personal research. Still, I can certainly respect those who reach another conclusion regardless of what I believe
@@anthonyterry2896 Tell us what you found through your research that refutes this information. Did every prophecy of Joseph Smith come true?
@@budoboy1977 as far as I can tell yes. I’ve gone over hundreds of his prophecies in fact and they either were fulfilled or are yet to be, but none have been proven false that I have read and really studied
@@budoboy1977 beyond the prophecies you asked about and I just responded to, what other questions do you have?
I really felt bad for Greg. He seems like a truly nice man. I hope he is doing well and pray he has eyes to see and ears to hear.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
4 words that he kept saying “What I was taught”… but you laid it out for him, and you did it with Grace and love. Thank you! 😎
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
Compare to so many people from schools that teach wokeism and evolution as fact!
Guys, Salvation is Very Simple
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
** NO FEMALE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER **
- Hebrew Book of Isaiah (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 45:5
I am YaH, and there is none else.
Absolutely, I noticed the same thing. He was struggling with what he had been taught versus the Truth.
@cindybin2001 Yes we know your brainwashed, you repeatedly say it in the comments 🤦
Hi Greg, if you’re reading this praying for you and cheering you on! This was a divine appointment by the Almighty!
Thank you Joel for your gentleness and kindness in leading Greg to Truth. Were learning a lot from your ministry. May God bless you.
Truth? What truth? There is no truth in this video. Here is the real truth for you.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gospel it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth
@@dylanwilliams2202 Where in the Bible is Nephi named? If Nephi is trustworthy, why is it written that Yeshua was born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem? Why do you preach to the dead when it’s forbidden in Torah to speak to the dead?
Mormons are very much like Muslims. Both rely on books written well after the fact and dare to attack the Bible, saying their extra books ‘written’ by their prophets supersede the Bible.
But, ok. No doubt you’ve been well versed in how to defend your book by pointing out alleged discrepancies in the Bible.
But let’s talk about the lives of your prophets. The wells from which these verses flow. Were these wells living Water or poisoned wells?
Were Muhammad and Joseph Smith righteous men? What was the fruit of their lives? Were they like Yeshua and His apostle Paul? Did they keep God’s commandments as Yeshua commanded and encouraged love, joy, patience, kindness, meekness and self control?
@@redeemedstone "Where in the Bible is Nephi named?" Uh he isn't. Him not being mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean anything.
"If Nephi is trustworthy, why is it written that Yeshua was born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem?" Nephi never mentioned where Jesus was born, it was Alma and he didn't say he would be born in the city of Jerusalem. Alma didn't say he would be born in the City of Jerusalem. Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. When they talked about the city then they said the city of Jerusalem. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world.
Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon.
"Why do you preach to the dead when it’s forbidden in Torah to speak to the dead?" We or the living members don't preach to the dead. That preaching is done by people who were appointed and believed in Christ in this life. Also, Peter 3:19 "By which also he (Jesus Christ) went and *preached* unto the spirits in prison" and Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was *the gospel preached also to them that are dead,* that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit"
"Mormons are very much like Muslims." Anyone who says that is ignorant of both religions. We are nothing alike. Islam is a false religion.
"Both rely on books written well after the fact and dare to attack the Bible, saying their extra books ‘written’ by their prophets supersede the Bible." The Book of Mormon does not supersede the Bible. It is meant to be a companion to it and help and clarify the words and teachings of God.
"No doubt you’ve been well versed in how to defend your book by pointing out alleged discrepancies in the Bible." I have never nor would I ever attack the Bible to prove the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon or the Church. In fact, I use the Bible to prove the truthfulness of both. Why would I attack something I consider scripture?
"But let’s talk about the lives of your prophets." We do not consider Muhammad a prophet. Muhammad was a false prophet.
"Were Muhammad and Joseph Smith righteous men?" Muhammad wasn't but Joseph Smith was as any man can be.
" Were they like Yeshua and His apostle Paul?" Like Jesus? No, no one can really be like Jesus. Paul, Joseph Smith was.
"Did they keep God’s commandments as Yeshua commanded and encouraged love, joy, patience, kindness, meekness and self control?" Joseph Smith did yea.
@@dylanwilliams2202 im going to ask you a question, I have zero knowledge of mormonism other than what I learned from matt stone and trey parker, so it is an honest question, i am not being condescending or mocking, I’m honestly interested.
Does the LDS teach that joseph smith translated the mormon bible with golden plates that no one else has ever seen? And if not how did the mormon bible come about (short version is fine if there is one, im not expecting you to write the entirety of mormon history). But if they do teach that, how do you except that without thinking “that doesn’t sound right?” (Still not condescending, I’m honestly interested.)
If someone came up to you today and said “I found this magical thing that I can’t show you but it says you should give me everything you own, you wouldn’t believe them, so how do mormons decide the difference between a scammer and a true prophet in that instance?
@@johnsourdiffe1664 _"Does the LDS teach that joseph smith translated the mormon bible with golden plates that no one else has ever seen?"_ There is no such thing as a "mormon bible". The official Bible we use is the KJV, though I personally read from the NRSV. The Book of Mormon is another story of a nation and people that believed in God and Jesus Christ and witnessed Christ's resurrection (Christ came down to them after His resurrection). Just as in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall all words be established, in the mouth of 2 or 3 nations shall they testify of Christ
To answer your question, there were many people who saw the plates, 11 of which can be read in front of every book of Mormon. David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris saw an angel (Moroni) who appeared to them and showed them the plates, you can read that in the Testimony of the 3 witnesses. 8 others Joseph just randomly pulled out the plates to show them, you can read that in the Testimony of the 8 witnesses.
David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris all eventually left the Church because of personal issues with Joseph but all of them never denied what they saw or there testimony of the Book of Mormon despite leaving (Martin and Oliver eventually came back before they died and testified of the Book of Mormon till there dying breath). Some of the 8 left but again, never recanted their statements.
Something that isn't in the Book of Mormon is that but you can read about in the Church's history books called Saints, is that there were others who saw the plates. When Joseph brought the plates home for the first time he showed them to his family wrapped in cloth, a guy named Josiah Stowell was there and he said (and testified in court) that the cloth fell a little to where he saw the plates a little, he died a faithful member. Lucy Whitmer (David's mom) told a story that during the translation process (Joseph Smith was staying with the Whitmer's at the time), Moroni came up to her and said that God has permitted her to see the plates because she had to do extra work. Emma Smith (Joseph's wife) said she felt the plates under a cloth and felt the engravings.
Also, a guy named Sydney Rigdon saw some of the same visions as Joseph Smith did, one being section 76 of the Doctrine and Covenants.
One day Joseph Smith, Sydney Rigdon and a guy named Frederick G. Williams were praying about how the Kirtland temple should be built and all of them saw a vision of what the temple looked like.
All of that was just off the top of my head, and not including some other things said from people after Joseph died. Name me another person who claimed Prophethood that experienced visions and angels with many other people and those people testify of it. Some of whom left them but still testified of what they said.
_"And if not how did the mormon bible come about"_ The short version is that Joseph Smith was led to a spot where the plates were buried, dug them up and was told to translate them into English and that God would help. Joseph then dictated it to a scribe (who for the most part was Oliver Cowdery) in about 3 months. He then took it to a printer who printed it and made it into a book for him. If you are kinda curious about the timeline, the 3 and 8 witnesses saw the plates after the Book of Mormon was done being translated but before it went to the printers so that their testimonies can be included into the Book of Mormon.
_"so how do mormons decide the difference between a scammer and a true prophet in that instance?"_ Well, you have all the testimonies I shared to back up Joseph Smith's stories and claims. We also encourage people to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and ask God whether it is true or not. I did about 2 years ago now. I prayed and asked and after I asked a strong feeling of warmth immediately spread across my chest, something that I hadn't felt before nor have I felt as strongly since. After that, I researched my Church's history and saw all these miracles and testimonies. The Early Church's history and saw evidence of the apostasy happen as creeds came and changed things. Archeology and saw some pretty interesting evidence for the Book of Mormon, and even the Book of Moses and Abraham.
I say all that because while my testimony does have a spiritual aspect, it isn't just blind faith.
I am a Christian and live in Utah. I have been researching how to better defend the Bible and finding ways to better present it to my LDS friends. This video is such a blessing, thank you!
I’m a Christian and just moved to Utah, there’s 3 guys on their mission here who I’ve talked to several times, I told them my hang-ups with Mormonism: Joseph smiths background, polygamy, the lack of historicity, the inconsistencies of the Book of Mormon. I’m pretty sure I may have inadvertently given them confidence in converting me, just by being nice and asking them questions about Mormonism. Any tips you have for me in regards to the missionaries? I just can’t believe what they do, but everytime I bring up why isn’t Jesus enough and living like he told us to, they always quote from the Book of Mormon. I’m supposed to meet with them in a week, and I don’t want to offend them, but I can’t help but want to get them to question why they are so dedicated to Mormonism and not Jesus alone.
I had a problem with what Brigham Young did with plural marriage that continues today in the offshoot of Mormon and damages young girls that are inducted into that kind of thing. I consider it molesting children and not Christian teaching what so ever.
By now youve met with them. One must be very careful when dealing with people in a cult. Historicity is a solid argument but so is the argument that faith cannot come from the personal revelation of one person. If they try to bring up Moses, theyd lose whichever way you take it. If you admit that Moses was wrong, their whole faith crumbles because it claims to be the continuation or true version of christianity which itself claims to be the continuation of Judaism. The second, and correct response, is that Moses did not have an individual revelation. G-d spoke to him, but everyone at Sinai heard G-d. In fact all the people were invited to ascend Sinai for the same experience Moses did but they stayed at the base and sent Moshe instead.
Great comment:
Show them the X-Ray
The LDS dilemma
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
You really don't have to since the Authorized King James Version of the Bible is ;part of our Standard Works in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!
Ex Mormon here...the Bible itself refutes Mormon teaching as I discovered in a personal reading of the Bible. First point I discovered...I was always taught that Mormonism is the "one and only true church". But in revelations Jesus tells us that he will visit seven churches when he returns. Such a simple statement, but one that certainly got my attention. Second point...Mormons believe that you are married and sealed to your spouse for all of eternity. But in Matthew when Jesus is questioned about the seven brothers passing a wife down after their deaths, Jesus replies that in heaven, we are neither married, nor given in marriage. These are just the first two examples of the Bible refuting what I had been taught as a child, and with each subsequent reading, Jesus reveals more of his truth. I am so grateful that Jesus reveals more of himself to me through each reading and pray that many, many, many others receive the same knowledge as they throw their book of Mormon away and focus upon the true word, the Holy Bible.
Please pray for my Mormon spouse to come to the true gospel of Jesus Christ. My heart weeps. Please pray 🙏🏼
Research how churches can be translated. Not the same as we interpret in our modern day.
Jesus speaking about no marriage is relative to the audience.
Prayers for both men, who courageously opened up a dialogue that could easily have been destroyed by anger and resentment and judgment, and who journeyed together to try to find truth. The integrity of both shows through over and over. I am grateful for the improved understanding i gained from this video.
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
Watching the video, my heart ached for the Morman man but at the same time, my heart was rejoicing as I watched him receive what was given to him. I pray that he made Jesus Lord of his life.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I know how he feels because I was raised in a Mormon household from the time I was born. My father was a Mormon bishop. My entire childhood was about Mormonism. As a teenager, I had to attend seminary before school where I was taught the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine & Covenants. Everything my family did had to do with Mormonism including most of our family vacations. Both sets of my grandparents warned me as a child that it was a lie. Because of them planting that seed of doubt, I started questioning everything that I had been taught. To make a long story short, I left the Mormon church the day I turned 18 years old. The bishop of the church sent me a letter that said they were revoking my baptism and taking the Holy Spirit from me and that God would hold me accountable for all the youth that I was leading astray. I lost my identity overnight. I had no idea who I was or what I believed and became so bitter. I spent years reading the Bible until finally one day, the Lord called me out of a world of darkness and confusion. I am so grateful the Lord delivered me and set me free and gave me a new identity in Christ. I pray that one day, my parents and brothers will be delivered. They are good people but as the Bible says, “they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.”
What a wonderful testimony. When reading the letters of Paul to the churches of his days, it constantly reminds me that the battle for consuming and spreading the right gospel is as ancient as the bible itself, yet as prevalent as in Paul's days.
Thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing your heart. Man cannot remove what God has given! Stay strong, keep your eyes on Christ!
I've recently come to realize the true gospel of Christ a few weeks ago and it finally all made sense after being confused in Mormonism for 17 years. I had seeds planted in my head for years but hearing the message of being saved by grace has been the greatest thing I've experienced.
I hope one day this cognitive dissonance I am having between Mormonism and Christianity can end and I can fully immerse myself in Christ
@@itsdrewstewI’m go grateful that both us were delivered from years of indoctrination of false doctrines from false prophets. The best advise I can give you is to stay in the Word of God as much as you can and let it transform your mind. The Holy Spirit will reveal to you the love, grace, and mercy of the one and only true gospel of Jesus Christ. It has taken me years of prayer and studying the Word to find my true identity in Christ. Praying for you, my brother in Christ
Thankyou for sharing your story ❤
Your gentleness in speech and careful speech/questions are godly my friend. I see the Spirit at work in you with the fruit of gentleness and self-control, keep it up! I want to imitate your speech brother
30 minutes in and seeing the grace and humility brings tears to my eyes. The humility of both sides is so pleasing to see. Seeing Greg understand the contradictions and not fight over it is so heartwarming. There is no fighting between either, just understanding and a sense of love towards each other and love for the truth
I gotta say that I have a lot of respect for the Morman guy. He looks at the truth and accepts that he has been mistaken. He takes it very well. Not an easy thing to do, especially on camera.
Brilliant. Joel this imo, is a masterpiece of evangelism. I will pray for Greg and all who might view this documentary. I am texting with tears because I have a true love for a Mormon family from my childhood. I'm now 67 and although I haven't seen them in decades I will never forget the kindness they showed me as a child. I have often prayed for them. May God bless this video to the salvation and peace of all who are under a false teaching. May this video be shared by all.
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
@@56username wow
Wow so good for you. The Mormon mirage is a really good book for them to read too.
Love to you lady! Trust what you knew. Those people you knew are some of the good examples of the believers. The church of jesus christ is just that. It is full of people who are striving to be better and fall short like the rest of human kind. We do believe in the bible!!!!Bible!!!!! There is so much that this poor man who was interviewed got caught unaware and was unprepared to answer correctly. He should not have tried to speak for our entire church. He got a lot wrong
And God bless and keep you too
My uncle was born, raised and died as a Mormon. His wife of 76 years was the same. I wish they knew Christ like I did, but I pray that God will have mercy on them when judgement comes. I've been grateful that I know Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. I would not have it any other way.
My heart goes out to this man who discovered that he believed a lie since his youth. At the same time I have such deep respect for him willing to acknowledge the truth.
Thanks 🙏🏽
Shoot, I didn't know the ending and know better than to look through comments. That's awesome but wish I was suprised lol
I am only 25 minutes in, but already twice, Ive been impressed with this guy’s ability to accept facts even though they go against a lifetime of dogma
He’s an actor.. you can’t tell by how cheese this lines are???
Ya he’s grossly mischaracterizing what Mormons believe
I was really impressed by how gracious and Spirit led Joel was in his explanations with this man.
I pray he had his eyes opened to the true Christ.
His level of patience is love.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 you worship Joseph Smith who said he’s greater than Jesus.
@@quantumloops1 Lol Bruh, there is nothing you could say that we do that would even be close to us worshiping Joseph Smith. Sorry but anyone who says we worship Joseph Smith is very ignorant.
Joseph Smith never said he was greater than Jesus. I already know the quote you are misquoting but come on and quote it to me like you aren't just saying the same old talking points that have been refuted already.
@@dylanwilliams2202 By your own admission you didn't watch the video, yet here you are criticizing the content of this film.
Cults are very hard to break free from I hear as in your case.
As a former Mormon, I am thankful for finding this video. IT confirms many things that are important to consider.
As a Mormon, I was taught to use the Bible to prove the Mormon Church true. However, it was by taking the passages out of context that it was able to be done. It took a lot of soul searching and time in the Bible to discover that I had been trusting in a false Jesus.
"it was by taking the passages out of context that it was able to be done." LOL No, we aren't the ones who take Bible passages out of context. We know and teach the Bible better than every other denomination. If you are going to just repeat the same false teachings that other denominations teach then you *do not* know the Bible. Had you actually studied the Bible then you wouldn't have left.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. You have been led away by false teachings of the devil/ the philosophies of man mingled with scripture. Rejoin God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and rejoin their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
so what verse of action would help you that time to question your believes , i meet up with some very nice mormons and i want them to question things
@@jesusbootcamp660 You can't find a verse that would make someone question our beliefs. Especially if you actually know them. You could definitely misquote scriptures that could confuse people but you all do that anyways. That _"I want to make to make the question things"_ proves that you intentions are not of God either but of Satan.
@@dylanwilliams2202 well they called jesus beelzebub so nothing new, you already are given over to a lie because you dont love the truth.. im talking about the victim mormons that still can be saved
@@jesusbootcamp660 _"well they called jesus beelzebub so nothing new"_ What are you talking about? Are you ok?
_"you already are given over to a lie because you dont love the truth"_ Oh I love the truth. Which is why I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. To put it bluntly, the gospel every other Christian denomination teaches is a watered down version of what God's and Jesus Christ true gospel really is. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, 3 kingdoms of glory, doctrine of Adam and Eve, not worshiping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed, changed or added later by creeds and/or Martin Luther and you teach these things despite some of it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you.
You don't have the truth and you won't win anything because the truth always wins out.
Joel I have such great respect how you handled this interview with Greg. It would be so easy to want to "win" the debate and lose the person you are witnessing to. You clearly have a heart for him and handled the whole interview with respect and a search for truth. We can all learn from this.
This was amazing. And the way the Gospel truth was presented in a loving manner….so incredible. Very well done.
You glorified God with this.
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
I felt bad for Greg. He obviously agreed to do this but having your paradigm crumble in front of you is a monumental and very private moment. Now that it’s been several months I hope the cognitive dissonance is behind him and he can focus on the truth. I wish him well. Joel, this was such an excellent teaching tool to help others. Thank you for this important video. ❤️🙏
Greg is fine, I’m sure. Nothing in this video is alarming to a Mormon. I just wish this was done with an actual scholar and not ward member number 5. There are so many scholars that we have. That would be worth watching.
@@TheArkisSteadyA Mormon scholar can’t change facts, there are 0 ancient Mormon manuscripts. It’s a man inspired book written in the 1800’s, and has nothing to do with God. No amount of study or dedication will ever change that.
The Book of Mormon disproves itself, through false prophecies over and over.
@@TheArkisSteady I have yet to see one comment debunking this video. I guess no lds member cared enough to do that. Oh well... the LDS church is an 18th century new organization (its a different belief and theology from the 1st century church) so I'm glad no one is trying to defend the LDS church by debunking this video.
@@TheArkisSteadysure nothing here is alarming to a Mormon that's why your unable to debunk this video
I believe he was looking at what he was being shown with an honest heart and that he will search himself. I pray he will find salvation in Christ Jesus in due time. God knows what that time is.
Ex-Mormon here, the truth set me free and now I am saved through my Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
The bar is quite low for being “saved” according to evangelical doctrine. Many LDS followers meet the standards of being saved. To exclude the LDS from being saved is an erroneous and judgmental conclusion.
@@gregj4509what do you know that many LDS are saved
God bless you and give back all the glory to our Heavenly Father in Yeshua name 🙏
@@gregj4509 No Greg, Not if they put their faith in the word of Joseph Smith. Not if they practice and live their lives according to JSmith when it is proven by Gods standard that he was Not a true prophet. Knowing that, how can you continue on with this group. I pray that God opens your eyes.
@@savedsista how much of the Bible did Christ write? Oops none, therefore you are adhering to the writings of man
Ex Mormon here.. I struggle loosing the faith I grew up with. 5 generations of Mormon faith. I love that others know my pain.
Have you come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ since you left the Mormons? Come to believe that He is God and came to die for your sins on a cross, so that by faith in Him you could be saved not by your own works, but rather through His finished work , His free gift?
This was incredible. I couldn’t imagine the fear of learning my entire worldview, being taught as a child, crumbling before my eyes.
Neither could I. That’s got to be a terrible feeling. Though I will say if Greg really does look into the arguments like he said he would, then he has nothing to fear. While I appreciated the video, I was disappointed by the overall lack of depth in every argument made. With even the most surface level research, it is so easy to disprove or refute every argument made against the church in this video. The scriptures were taken out of context, the nuance completely ignored. His arguments against archeology, Joseph smith, all of it was weak, out of context or frankly incorrect. I would encourage you to look into the arguments made a little more deeply and maybe look at actual Latter Day Saint beliefs regarding each of those criticisms made in this video. I’m not saying this will make you join the church or anything, but at least it might give you a better idea of why so many intelligent and successful people are part of the church and so dedicated. There is a lot that makes sense and even more that lines up with the biblical ancient church
Exactly. My heart broke for him, while I I also felt like just giving him a motherly hug of consolation…. Yet it is a relief to rescue even one from deception.
You don't need to be a Mormon to have that happen to you. I say this as a Baptist who was sheltered from the rest of Protestantism for my early life.
I know, I really feel for this man. But it's liberating to know the Truth. And the Truth shall make you free.
@@anthonyterry2896where is your archaeological evidence supporting Joseph Smith? What about this video was not true? Be specific, or please just sit down!
I have to give Greg a lot of credit. You know that it must have been tearing him up inside to have his faith challenged in this way.
Maybe, but maybe not, as he seems to be someone who can think about what he learned.
I agree. That would have been difficult for him. Also, to be on camera getting his reaction. I pray that God reveals the truth to him!
He looks to me like a true Man of God: In what he loves God and is looking for him, sincerily in his heart. This whole thing, might have been unconfortable, but a huge leap forward for him.
The truth will set him free.
@@Angarsk100 I guessing his investment is to much a stumbling block for him. Like the young wealthy man that JESUS told to sell everything and follow him in Mat. 19:16-22.
My heart breaks for Greg. His life's work is being challenged. Yet I am happy to see him look into this from a perspective that does challenge what he was taught. This should inspire all of us to be Bereans. Let us look into the things we are being taught and see if it is being taught correctly. Excellent documentary. God's word is truth.
Also, what a difference it makes to teach the truth in love. There is no argumentative approach. That closes doors. Thank you, Joel for living out 1 Timothy 1:5
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
AMEN
All Christians should aspire and make a study life of a Berean a priority and encourage each other to grow in Christ Jesus.
He was so patiently listening to what was being said. Most unbelievers would have snapped.
amen
Thank you for encouraging logical calm discourse instead of hate and conflict.
I almost feel bad for Greg. When everything you've ever believed is turned upside down, it's a tough pill to swallow. I'll be praying for him. He handled it well and you introduced it to him well. I pray that he gets saved. ❤️
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
@cindybin2001How is it ridiculous?
@cindybin2001 You are a liar. Nothing in this video has been debunked & you offer no proof🤦
@@debraolson7553 The only thing I found wrong in this video was the site of Jesus's tomb, it is not under any church, but in the escarpment at Golgotha where Ron Wyatt found it, they call it the Garden Tomb! John 19.41 and Mathew 27.33
@cindybin2001 Why lie?? Do you get paid??
I love how different sides and different beliefs have a peaceful talk without debating or arguing. It's just calm, detailed, and patiently explained. Also, how they both listen to each other calmly and willingly without getting aggressive or heated up in argument. I also love how they put the bible first to do all the work. The bible says that God's word is more piercing than a double-edged sword, so we encourage scripture, scripture does the big transformative work.
Greg was very logical. And i will pray for him. What a kind hearted chap and even though his world was being torn apart he desired truth above how he felt. Heart goes out to you Greg
Praying is logical?
Praying is logical?
yes it's reality@@oddy59
@@oddy59Yes, it is.
All mormons should watch this. All Christians should watch this too.
Thank you for posting this video. As a former member of the lds church I had trouble voicing my belief that the lds church was not right. This cleared it up for me.
I say this with all due respect because I really don't like arguing, but unfortunately this video is intellectually dishonest. With regard to the loss of plain and precious truths that were lost after the apostles, he fails to there were no New Testament books in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so you can't look to the dead sea scrolls for evidence of corruption AFTER the apostles among a group of texts that were all written BEFORE the apostles. He's being blatantly dishonest.
With regard to the prophesy that Jesus will be born at Jerusalem, Alma was speaking to people in the Americas in the first century AD, more than 500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem. In other words, he is speaking to a group of people who have absolutely no concept of Israeli geography. Of course, no one that lived in Israel would have conflated Jerusalem and Bethlehem; they knew the geography well. But for people who knew nothing of Israeli geography, they would have no idea what Bethlehem is. In all likelihood, they only knew that their ancestors came from Jerusalem, so saying Jesus will be born in Jerusalem was about as specific as Alma could have been with them. Again, its an intellectually dishonest argument.
As for lack of historical copies of the Book of Mormon, of course there aren't. God wants us to rely on the witness of his Spirit over the work of mortal archeologists. That's why Jeremiah said "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD." Jer. 17:6. Even with all the copies of the New Testament we have, it only proves that people believed in Jesus. None of it proves the Lord actually walked on water or healed the sick, those books only prove that other people believed it. For us to believe it, we have to go by the witness of the Spirit, same as we do with the Book of Mormon. And that same Spirit that testifies that the Bible is true also testifies that the Book of Mormon is true.
I worshipped God out loud like twenty times as I watched you lay out the simple truth verbally and visually. Praise God for this ministry!
🌱😀🌱
Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
This is so well researched and presented. The Mormon is so transparent and humble in accepting the evidence rather than lashing out. I can see that he is in anguish because his commitment to his childhood faith.
Amen! To be fair to the Mormon community, I’ve personally never met a rude one. Though misled, they have always been good people to me on a personal basis.
yes, my heart was sad for him because what I will mean in hs life. he will be banished from his family.
@@jawshh559 why do you feel they are misled? Honestly, I have read and studied the bible. And i am currently reading the book of Mormon. Having spent a lot of time studying the bible, i see nothing but support of the bible, in the book of Mormon. I've been to the Mormon Church, and never have i experienced a more humble and spiritual people. God sent me a revelation, and told me this was a worthy church. After i had visited many many other churches. I would like to know why you feel they are mislead, because i don't see that at all. And after God answered a prayer i said to him, i believe the Mormons are actually more on track than any other church!
@@jodienovello5881 Very true but could result in eternal life for him and his family.
@@aliceleslie7704 Hi Alice, I can completely relate to what you are saying and feeling. Many of the things in the Mormon church seem to be good from the outside and this is why so many are attracted to it.
But, having been raised in the Mormon church, I can tell you that this is deceiving.
I love the Mormon people as many of my family are in the Mormon church so I say this in all love and I have no desire to offend them or you.
There are many things in the Mormon religion that do not line up with GOD’s word, I believe this example to be the most simple:
Mormons believe that if they live a life in which they follow all the rules and rites, they will become gods of their own planets.
This is the original lie from the serpent in the garden of Eden and it is the foundation of many religions in the world.
Genesis 2:4-5 - The serpent said to the woman “you will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God…”
God has given us His word and we can trust it. The serpent is crafty and he knows the Bible well and he will do whatever he can to get you to believe the lie.
I admire the Morman Gregg for being so honest and not being at all combative in trying to defend his beliefs.
I think this man has presented such a gracious and patient explanation to the Mormon world. Amazing to watch
I would say he definitely showed love and patience in this video, but I don’t think I would say his explanation of the Latter Day Saint faith was gracious. Watching through the video, there were so many mischaracterizations and inaccuracies when it comes to what we truly believe. The scriptures from the Book of Mormon were taken out of context, the argument concerning evidence of the Book of Mormon was inaccurate, the “false prophecy” of Joseph Smith was taken out of context. Honestly, every argument made was weak and faulty. While I think the video was well produced I am a little disappointed by the lack of depth in the arguments. The arguments weren’t well researched and honestly in less than a few minutes of research, most people would be able to debunk or refute every argument he made.
May God fill everyone with the truth...Jesus is the only way to salvation
@@anthonyterry2896
Regardless the (in)accuracy of the mornons' belifs presentation in this video, I find the basic argument of the author - that old testamental prophecies about Jesus Christ are accurate - as strong and logically convincing! Textological (epigraphic) and historical evidence is abounding. What cannot be said about the Book of Mormon. Therefore, there is no way to say along with J. Smith and his followers that original truth of God's Word was removed, hidden or perverted after the Apostolic period. Moreover, a Bible translation of J. Smith is very questionable because it turns to be more an attempt to rewrite, rework and expand the Bible. There were several attempts in history to do that (Marcion in the 2nd century AD denied the Old Testament, and Leo Tolstoy in 19th century had invented his own Gospel). By the way, there is not a single manuscript to confirm Smith's translation and/or to predate the Book of Mormon. Sorry, but textology and history are not on Smith's side of the road. 😢
@@anthonyterry2896 did Joseph Smith write a new Bible he thought was more true?
And a key argument I have heard by Mormons is that the early church distorted the scriptures and fell away. Yet as the video showed, the scriptures we have today are more accurate than Joseph Smiths "inspired version", I believe it's called. Were those arguments false? I don't see how.
And did Joseph Smith make an unfulfilled prophecy for a temple in Missouri? What do you know about that?
@@anthonyterry2896 I am honestly appalled at the Bible Joseph Smith wrote. It's like a forgery using the Bible, but why would anyone insert text into the scriptures so deceptively? It's really a sick thing to think about
I seen this documentary years ago and was just recently in the last few weeks wondering what happened with this gentleman. He’s an honest man that seems to be very open to the truth. I pray that he came to believe the truth and is doing great things for the kingdom of God today 🙏🏻
I would love to see you do something like this for the Quran. That would be amazing
Seriously.
The amount of dishonesty involved with their representatives would make this hard to do, unless the person interviewing is extremely well versed in the Quran such as Sam Shamoun
I think that is rather simpler! The gospels/eye witnesses said Jesus IS(described himself as) God in human form. The Quran disagrees!
@builderphill1361 they then say "the Bible has been corrupt!" A easy response is " since you all claim the Torah and b8ble are God's previous revelations, are you calling him a liar/ weak enough he couldn't protect it himself?
much more difficult due to threats of physical violence and incredible verbal evasion
This is a perfect example of how two people with differing beliefs should communicate.
This video is a blessing to so many. My uncle and his family are part of the Mormon religion and I pray this video will help him see Gods truth. Pray for us. Love to all.
❤️🔥🙏
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this.
When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 How do you explain the prophecies recorded in the Book of Mormon that were not true? Or did not come true? The test from the Old Testament still stands strong. For example, around 22:00 Alma’s prophecy about the Christ’s birth was proven wrong. And thank you for the information you provided. Have a good night and God bless.
@@hillbilly2424 Saying that Alma got the place where Christ was born wrong is slightly unfair. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Glen Burnie you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Baltimore then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known.
Also saying Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters, were discovered. Near Eastern scholar D. Kelly Ogden described these The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah"
@@dylanwilliams2202 watch the whole video!
This breaks My 💔 because I starting thinking about all the people in the world that are being deceived. I thank God for the truth & I'm glad you were able to open his eyes. Praying that more Mormon's see this video & are awakened to the truth!!! The Bible is infallible & the Inspired Word of God!!! 🙏🙏🙏
I’d love for him to do a section on the Jehovah witness. No matter what you say to them, they have a rebuttal.
Just witness the Truth to them and Live it. The rest will fall into place. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me". John 12:32
Most of the churches fail God in their example
@@TWC6724 I have downloaded the TrueLife RUclips video "Are Jehovah's Witnesses Right?" on my phone; I hope to be able to show it to a J.W. someday. :) The video contains three ex-J.W.s who describe the various problems with that faith (e.g. the J.W. leadership in New York keeps saying that the world is about to come to an end (like in 1975) but it never comes true).
Thank you for making this video, I am an Exmormon Born Again Christian, I live in northern Utah and have many friends who are still lost. I will share this with them and hope it changes their mind. God Bless!!
No you are the one who is lost buddy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. You have fallen for the philosophies of man mingled with scripture.
@@dylanwilliams2202once you’re born again, you will truly understand and see the heresy and blasphemous teachings of the Mormon church. Until then I’ll pray for you that one day Christ will work in your heart and regenerate you.
@@marcogonzalez2914 Lol you don't even know what it means to be "born again" because the protestant definition is wrong and unbiblical.
When you are baptized you have become born again
Romans 6:4 "Therefore *we were buried with him by baptism into death,* so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, *so we also might walk in newness of life"*
Titus 3:5 "he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, *through the water of rebirth* and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. If something is heretical to your false creeds then that means nothing to us. That being said, only 2 things that I know of that we teach have been heretical teachings, being Souls being Eternal and baptism for the dead. But again, we don't care.
Instead of just a nothing statement, come up with an actual argument.
I love seeing a man be humbled by the power of the truth of Gods word. God protects us so thoroughly, so perfectly, so lovingly. God is truth, he speaks only truth.
Brilliantly done. May this go far and wide and reach every heart the Lord mercifully chooses.
You
This is the most clear, straightforward and yes, respectful debunking of the book of Mormon I have ever heard. And it was done with calm reasoning, and thorough research. Thank you!
This video nicely compliments the TrueLife RUclips video "Is Mormonism True?", where the problems with The Pearl of Great Price re: Joseph Smith's translation vs. the translation using the Rosetta Stone are discussed.
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this.
When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Please give Agrological evidence for the existence of the prophets that wrote the book of Mormon? and also why did the prophesy of building in Missouri never came true to this day?
@@apoligetics7 "Please give Agrological evidence for the existence of the prophets that wrote the book of Mormon?" How would you like or even expect me to do that? Modern North American archeologists don't know much about the people who lived here anciently and they definitely don't know the names of very many specific people, especially going as far back as 400 AD. I can give you evidence for the credibility of the Book of Mormon in general but if you are wanting a signed document then I can't produce a signed document from a Book of Mormon prophet because documents from that time period (600 BC - 400 AD) have not been found yet (or the Spaniards destoryed it when they came to America.)
Not to mention, every old testament prophet like Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Noah, Moses, etc has no evidence they exist except for the bible. If an Atheist asked for "evidence for the existence" of them, how would you respond? If I were to guess you would give evidence of things that happened instead of a signed document.
"why did the prophesy of building in Missouri never came true to this day?" The Missouri temple was a command, not a prophecy. Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 and 51 confirms this.
Doctrine and Covenants 124:49 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings."... 51 "Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God."
This straight up confirms, without requiring any speculation on the matter, that this was a commandment, not a prophecy, and that God mercifully rescinded it because of the Saints' literal inability to follow because of being persecuted by Missourians despite their best efforts. This isn't an apologists opinion, it is our scriptures straight up saying it was a commandment that God later revoked.
Yes in D&C 84:2-5 it does say “shall”, however from the Webster’s Dictionary 1828 definition of “Shall”: “In the second and third persons [i.e., when applied to another person], shall implies a promise, command or determination. "You shall receive your wages," "he shall receive his wages," imply that you or he ought to receive them; but usage gives these phrases the force of a promise in the person uttering them."
@@dylanwilliams2202 Just to clarify I am not attacking your belief or faith just trying to understand, It just seems weird to me that God would give you a commandment and then it has to be revoked because of being persecuted , does God not know the future? And will He not only give you a command if He opens the doors to fulfil that command
A gentle gospel proclamation with love. This is just beautiful and I pray for this brother and his family and his youtube channel to be strong and save souls for our master Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️
Beautifully portrayed in such a loving way! Bless you for bringing this man to the truth. I will share this message to any member of the church of LDS.
Including the Argumentum ad Ignorainium fallacy?
It both breaks my heart and reaffirms my faith to see this man confronted with God’s word. And I realize how much love it takes for us believers to watch the revelation that a life has been built on the premise of faulty beliefs.
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
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Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
I feel so bad for the man. I remember being in this position and I also said "i don't know what to believe anymore". It's tough when you realize you believed in a lie your entire life.
Do u believe in God now
It must be tough, but also freeing. No more trying to earn salvation, no more saved today/condemned tmrw stress. Just Jesus is all you need, He is enough!
@@Kalico_Kid I believed in God my entire life but I also believed and practiced in so many non-biblical things that I thought honored God. And also did not practice sabbath which was the first of the commandments. But the walk with Christ I guess is a process.
I love this so much! You can see God’s gentle spirit whispering truth to him. Our God is for us ❤ Praise Jesus!
What a gracious, gentle, truthful and kind sharing of the gospel. I felt this deep sorrow inside my stomach as I saw how disappointed he was as everything he had believed throughout his life was being exposed as false. The Lord has His hand on this man, and when he finally comes to terms with the truth, what joy and freedom he will experience. Thank you Joel for making this video and for so graciously helping to open the eyes of the blind.
"Come, let us reason together..."
This is a beautiful awakening for this humble, wonderful Mormon man. He was so open and willing to open his heart and mind to truth. As the Lord said, ‘Come, let us reason together.’ I hope this man chose to turn his back to this false religion and turn his heart to Jesus. God please bless and help him. God bless Joel as well.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ true church here on earth. Gregg has turned his heart to Christ because we believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6).
You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later.
I’m only about 15 minutes into this, which is already incredible! Thank you, Joel, for not being condescending, or even rolling your eyes! Jesus’ Love has truly come through in you! May he continue to bless you, your family and his work! Thank you so very much! John 3:16❤️
After watching the first 17 minutes this video is one of the most dishonest videos I think I have seen about my church. Please don't fall for this.
When I have the questions written it is going to be more of the intent of the question instead of word for word what the question was. For example, the first question word for word was “this is what you would trust in or would it be like this” and with context with the video it makes sense but for this it wouldn’t. Also if there is a statement or something else I want to respond to then I will write it out. After watching this, there is no way Greg is an active member of our church and he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about, I will explain as it comes up.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the proper authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have referenced it but not anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things not being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every other translation since the 1900s are the biggest examples of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is saying for widows or widowers to not get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you get it now? The way words or text are translated can affect what is being said or meant and it can only take a slight variation for a verse to lose its original meaning. This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and honestly a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for you.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible. I haven't watched the rest of this but you want me to tear apart the rest of this video then I can but I am leaving it here for now.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Well stated Dylan. And, the rest of the Video is just as atrocious, just a bunch of gaslighting, misdirection, and twisting misinformation.
The mere fact there is more than one interpreted translation of the Bible, fulfills Nephi's prophecy.
As foretold and declared in the Bible, the full gospel of Jesus Christ would be and was lost from the earth through the apostasy that took place following the earthly ministry of Christ’s Apostles. That apostasy made necessary the Restoration of the gospel. Through visions, the ministering of angels, and revelations to men on the earth (aka Prophets and Apostles), God has restored the fullness of the gospel; which, the Bible also declared would happen before the return of the Savior of the world. It's all there folks. Check & check, yea, the Bible is two for two on these. (or has the restoration not happened like the Bible says would happen, thus, then is the Bible false). See that game could be played all day.
Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and yes, the New Jerusalem Temple will be built where Joseph said it would be. No worries, this generation, means the generation of the last days, spoken of in the Bible. So even if the walls are barely going up on the temple, when the Lord comes, it's still the last days and qualifies, prophecy still valid. (the vanity of men, Lord, you must fulfill your prophecy on my time frame).
So then, since Nephi's prophecy was correct, as part of the restoration of the gospel, in addition to bringing forth the Book of Mormon, to be join with the the Bible, as a witnesses of God, the Lord restored the translation of the Bible as well, through His prophet. Just as Prophets and Apostle of old wrote inspired words, so too does God's current Prophets and Apostles write inspired words. None of the papyrus referenced in this video are the original manuscripts of the prophets, they are someone else's version of stories being told. We know from Paul's "writing", there were even in his day, false teachers who would wrongly interpret and preach their own version of doctrines; if as Paul describes, people were preaching false ideas, they were probably writing them down as well, so yes, there would be papyrus with false teaching and incorrect versions of doctrines. Old doesn't make them true or accurate.
The Bible is clear on 'works': We are all saved from death by the Grace of God (Resurrection of the dead), we are then rewarded based on works. Jesus said so Himself. Jesus states in Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
How do we glorify our Father in Heaven? Jesus says in Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
A couple more on works:
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And many, many more.
No matter how much we profess the Lord's name, we are not getting the best of God's rewards without good works. Plain and simple.
Yes, the fullness of the gospel of Christ has been restored in the last days, as was prophesied in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and who had authority to write scripture inspired by God; the Lord has a living Prophet on the earth today who holds the same keys the Lord gave Peter. The Book of Mormon is true and is another witness of Jesus Christ, The Great Jehovah, The Son of God.
Peace and Love
@@dylanwilliams2202 Troll.
@@marciadiehl5733 So you get to a comment that addresses the video and yet you have nothing to say? Yea, that is what I figured because you don't have the truth. Shouldn't that tell you something?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 can you please tear apart the rest of the video? Thank you.
Absolutely riveting... Joel so patiently and compasionately lays out his case for the inspired word of God.
LOL. The guy he was interviewing was an actor. No sincere member of the Church of Jesus Christ would fall for his leading questions.
Just had some Mormon missionaries come to my door. I had just recently watched this and so was able to discuss in brief some of these points with them. They gave me a copy of their book of Mormon and later my son and I followed along in real time your points about Isaiah 29. What a great opportunity to give my son of real world example of "testing the spirits" in considering what is true. Thank you for such a clear presentation of the truth-claims and facts!
This is amazing. The love and gentleness with which you walked him through that is truly Christlike. My heart breaks for Greg, and I pray that God shows him the peace and the rest found in the free grace of Jesus.
Wow, amazing job! I will be sharing this with my Mormon family members and pray they see who they are truly following 🙏 I was almost a Jehovah witness myself at one point, but my eyes were truly opened by YAH 🙌
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Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
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Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
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@cindybin2001 how if all the prophets in Book of Mormon are debunked
@cindybin2001 are you a bot? You seem to say the same few sentences over and over. Yet, in all the multiple posts you have written under this video, I have not seen you present a single, valid argument against anything addressed in it.
Joseph Smith has been shown to be a false prophet here. There are no witnesses to his receiving the book of Mormon from heaven, no manuscripts predating his lifetime and no evidence in the 1,000's of early manuscripts of scripture of these so-called missing portions or different verses. It all originates with Joseph Smith. What more evidence do you need?
Said a prayer for your family Jeremy. God bless
Ex Mormon here too. One of the best rebuttal I have ever seen. God protected me and gave me a horrific evil feel in their temple
How did your process away from lds begin?
In my searching, I got that same feeling when I visited their temple, when they denied Jesus is God, I knew things were wrong in that place and never went back. Christianity is not a religion--It's a Way of Life.
Joel, please do a followup video with him. I'm sure he's thought about this a lot since you posted the video a year ago. Whatever his beliefs are now, even if they're the same, it would be really interesting to hear about it. Amazing video!
This brought me to tears!
I am so grateful that I can say that I follow the Way, the Truth and the Live.
This was even for me as a Bible believing Christian so helpful.
Unfortunately for those stuck in Isaiah 6:9-10 and who are missing the miracle of Isaiah 29:14, this video is full of inaccuracies, half-truth, lies, and dishonesty.
@@Juandrumx sorry... but my English is better than your Dutch!
Beautifully done. I have shared this to my social media in the (prayerful) hopes that my extended family members, many devout 1st, 2nd & even 3rd generation mormons, will watch this and get saved/are delivered from the Mormon church. Some even served in the temple and in their ward or in the case of my cousin a teacher at a private Mormon school. Please pray for their salvation 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 God bless you ❤❤❤
I work from home and I work for myself.. and I am so blessed to be able to watch RUclips anytime I want and I spend many hours a week on here. And I mostly watch great Christian channels..
and out of many thousands of channels, this one is absolutely one of my favorite channels!
Please keep making more beautiful videos bc Jesus is coming back very soon!!!
God bless you & love you all who put each episode together! Praying for you all!!!
MARANATHA!
Thank you,Sister.
1) Praise God for Joel's gentleness; 2) Praise God for Greg's willingness and humility to acknowledge the evidence, w/o being argumentative; 3) Being confronted with evidences contrary to a long-held belief is a mental/emotional crisis. May God have mercy and transfer this person, if he hasn't already.
I couldn’t hold myself to tears when I was watching this well made video. I praise God for Joel, for his knowledge of the Truth, as much as I do the same for Greg, for his openness and humility! Let all the scholars/archaeologists, biblical or secular, who have contributed to the biblical truth be remembered by all Christ-followers!
This was so heart wrenching. I pray that God will open his eyes as well as all those trapped in cults.
I was raised mormon but at the young age of 10 - 12 I knew that something was wrong with their teachings. I left the church and never looked back! I was and am a truth seeker I knew their teachings were wrong but I didn't think that it was this bad! Thank you God for your salvation and saving me from the lies! I love you 🙏❤️
Good on you!!!!!
WORLDS SPIRIT KNIGHTS OF CHRIST TM* IAM GLAD YOU CAN SEE
In the 16th year of Tiberius in the 5th month and the 29th day (april 15, 27 AD) Yashua of Natsurat (Jesus of Nazareth) was tried and convicted of treason, sedition and rebellion then crucified. Twelve days later his body was reported as missing. This is a record from the roman empire discovered in the Vatican archives in 1996
In our Bible it says third day He was resurrected, However we are talking about government efficiency, It took 9 days for the information to get recorded due to people tasked with stopping the body theft not wanting to claim responsibility for it.
Pilot was called before Caesar Why did you crucify him
Pilot explained Political.
Tiberius screamed That is why you had 3 legions!
Sent to what is now Cardovia, Spain where he was tried, convicted, and executed for sedition
sorry Laura, but there are no truth seekers. There are truth suppressers only. the gospels alone saves and not intuition. I am glad you are not a Mormon, but that only leaves room for something else to fill that void. The Just shall Live By Faith.
This was done so well and laid out so beautifully. Thank you!
Just wow. This was really amazing to watch and study. Even as a Christian, this information really helps to support the reliability of the Word of God, as this is the one thing many unbelievers bring up first. Thank you Joel for all the time and effort you put into each of your video's. Also a thank you to Greg who was willing to participate in this conversation. I can just imagine the distress he may have gone through as the truth started to shine a light on the lies he has believed his entire life. I pray for his salvation, that he may turn towards the authentic Jesus.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John 1:5
Great video! I’m currently going through a faith transition out of the LDS church and after discovering that I had been misled I struggled to trust the Bible. It is nice to know that the Bible has actual historical evidence for its claims, unlike the BOM. I had no idea how much Joseph smith added to the Bible! I still go to church because of my family but I can’t stand it when I hear people stand up on the pulpit and call Joseph smith a prophet. I want to know who Jesus really is but don’t know who to talk to. Thank you for presenting this video so well, it has given be a renewed trust in the Bible.
Dear Braiden, my heart weeps for you, I love you and I would love to show you how you can have a Peace in your soul by only showing you verses in the Bible. I have found the answer in God's word over 42 years ago at the age of 30 and I was broken and thought that I would never know for sure of Heaven. I am not going to try to get you to join a church, I am not wanting any money, my Bible tells me that it is a Gift of God we do not need to work for it. I have had Joy and Happiness and a Peace that passeth all Understanding for now over 42 years, and I would love to show you the way, only by way of the Bible. If you wish to converse with me, I would love to try to lead you to the truth of God Himself, so you can have the same assurance that God Himself gave me. I no longer fear to die because I know this, that when that happens, I will go directly into Heaven to be with Jesus for all Eternity. He says to the True Christian that if He goes and prepares a place for us He will come again for us. That is His promise!
Hello, thank you for your kind comment. I would love to converse with you. I feel disconnected to god since I stopped believing in the Mormon faith. I’m not sure I really ever knew him. I want to though. Where should I start? I’ve been trying to read a Bible the NIV but I have questions that I need clarity on. For example I’m still not sure if the trinitarian god is real or if they are separate. I need to find a group to talk with
@@robertrlkatz6890 looks like Braiden answered you after 2 weeks, .... good on u for offering him some assistance
@@ln5493 Thank you
@@braidenmccaleb9027 Dear Braiden, we just left on vacation and I got your message, it made me happy. I want very much to point you to the True Jesus. I am on my phone and I have a very hard time to text. We will be gone for 21 days, l would hope you will still want to know more when we get back. I would like for you to read some of my responses that I sent to another RUclips Video, If you would have an open heart when reading them I would think that you will learn something very special. Please, first find and read the ones that I wrote to Dave in the order that I had written them so you can get the connection. After you read those then and only then, Please read the ones that I wrote to "Gideon Qwikfut" also in the order of my writings so you get the connection. The RUclips Video is called, "Was Joseph Smith a false prophet?" Dear Braiden, I beg of you to ask God to open your mind and mean it with all your, If you will do that you will be on the road of more happiness than you have ever known because I found that over 42 years ago when I was only 30 years of age. I have never lost that Security. You might ask why do I really care? It is because I love you and I care. Most importantly my Lord Jesus cares about you.
As a former Mormon, I can testify that all this is true. This is a marvelous piece of work! The Mormon Church pulled me out of a life that was surely a fast rack to hell, but I listened to the doubts that over the years kept popping up in my mind about the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, and through Gods help and a strong belief in Christ, I came to finally realize the Truth, and it has set me free. Praise God!
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 definitely not the "only". And you missed the videos point unfortunately
@@andybooth5269 No I got the point, this video is meant to try and destroy people's faith in our Church and/or give you other Christians weak strawman arguments and misinformation. While I didn't watch it all, from the first couple of points I watched it showed that this is video complete garbage and this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. I have said this to other people but I will say it here too.
(“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 “For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ”
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is no man good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and understood as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gosepl it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. The Church of Jesus Christ is God's and Jesus Christ's true church here on earth, the evidence is there to back us up but the problem is people have to look at it and/or read and understand the bible.
@@andybooth5269 Also for Alma, Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is *the land of our forefathers,”* The phrase “land of Jerusalem” is a common phrase in the Book of Mormon and is used by its writers to refer to the place they originally came from. Alma probably didn't know any other place in Israel besides Jerusalem and was saying that Jesus Christ would be born among the Jews, who lived in and around Jerusalem. Let me put that in perspective, if I told you I lived in Kensington you most likely wouldn't know where that is and would ask "Where is that?". If I told you I lived in Washington D.C then you would have a better idea of where that is and not ask me anything. Bethlehem even during Christ's day wouldn't have been very big or all that well known, let alone to someone who lived across the world.
Saying "the land of Jerusalem" isn't unique to the Book of Mormon. In 1887, some Ancient Near Eastern documents known as the Amarna letters were discovered and multiple letters say "the land of Jerusalem" . The ancient writer of El Amarna letter 290 even refers to Bethlehem as part of the land of Jerusalem. "But now even a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi (Bethlehem) by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah" The phrase “land of Jerusalem” has also more recently turned up in a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls attributed to the prophet Jeremiah (4Q385a). In another fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also related to Jeremiah (4Q389), a scholar restored the phrase “in the land of J[erusalem]” to a fragmented line. With Nephi leaving Jerusalem around the same time as Jeremiah and him having wrote down "land of Jerusalem" when referring to that land area it doesn't surprise me that people later on used the same phrase as Nephi. These ancient sources show that the “land of Jerusalem,” is actually evidence of the historical authenticity for the Book of Mormon.
What were those doubts or things kept hidden by the Mormon church that you discerned as deception?
So both men deserve much credit to a great discussion on their belief.
This guy is hearing the truth, and I beleave the word has beared witness, this is holy spirit. Love it
He reacted the same as someone who has been scammed
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Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Believe as a child
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
The Truth will set you Free
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
Jesus Loves You
Believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
You are BORN AGAIN I
The simplicity of your argument for truth and the thoughtfulness of your approach was a blessing to see.
"That's what I've been taught".
This is a phrase that I and many others have used to describe something that we learned in school that has later turned out to be wrong, and, most importantly, we recognize now that it was wrong.
Thank you for this excellent program. I'm not sure I have ever seen anything quite matching the quality of this production and its ability in reaching the goal of showing the truth.