Oh, it's a very campy and very 70's movie, but Jenny Agutter in her prime does a lot to keep me invested and has done since I first saw it as teenager! The green muzzle flash from the guns is also rather cool too.
Many of these campy sci-fi movies have more substance or ideas than the shinier, better produced stuff of today. Because all of phase 4 Marvel is better than Logan's Run because it doesn't look campy. Or maybe not. I'll take the lower budget, older tech 'cheese' please
@@jameydunne3920 Me as well all the Green screens look more fake than these old models. These older films made you think as well of how things could actually turn out. You didn't need massive explosions and Michael Bay movies of mass empty destruction, or A Team 1000 shots fired and nobody gets hit and no blood. I am so burnt out on superhero movies sometimes these older films I find much more intriguing. Also the women were beautiful as well as resourceful not in todays cinema where they need no man's help Mary Sue's right out of the gate.
The society in this movie sounds eerily like a WEF/Klaus Schwab wet moist dream come true! ... the insanity that happened during cov also feels like it was a test run to pave the way for a cult like society like the one in the movie, chilling stuff!
You're just being a crazy conspiracy theorist. Now, eat your Soylent Green, watch these Ministry-of-Truth-approved shows, consume, breed, pay your taxes and be quiet.
@@dermagnus8482 I'm just afraid there won't be anywhere to run to... Or that any wilderness areas will be patrolled with predator drones and terminator units.
"Like all totalitarian regimes, the system the population lives under can only operate by attempting to transform humanity into something entirely unnatural..." This was a huge insight Dave. I hadn't seen that before. But in hindsight, you are spot on. Thanks for this video.
Like how woke "entertainment" sucks. The reason is because it's literally insane (does not conform to reality). Also why good moral messages make for good shows.
This syndrome can be summarized with the phrase "immanentize the eschaton" for easy deployment in conversation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton
If you haven't read the book that the movie is based on, I highly suggest it over the film. There are many differences, and the read is overall more enjoyable. There are 3 books in the series, by the way. Enjoy! Edit: To explain just a few differences, The state sanctioned mandatory deaths are at the age of 21 instead of 30. The policy was put in place after war, famine and general tomfuckery occurred which left the globe devastated. A young senator became a strong proponent for the death clause and even went so far as to be the first volunteer to be put to sleep, which made him a martyr. The youth of the day, who had had enough of the "older" people constantly mucking things up, pushed hard for this way of life. And after many, many generations, this has become the way of things. Once born, babies are placed in a "Nursery" where they're taken care of by unthinking, unfeeling machines. The crystal, named the Palm Flower, is installed in their hand at birth, and it changes colors throughout the unnatural life cycle. Starting with blue, at a certain age it turns yellow, then red. On your final day, it begins to blink red and black until finally... black. Time to go to sleep. The populace knows they're going to die. But it's seen as something of a societal norm. It's expected of you to go to a sleep clinic to be put down. It's often a celebrated event, even. Like a birthday. Ironic. Runners are the sane individuals who don't adhere to the state doctrine and want to live. It isn't a matter of believing there IS no life after 21, it's a matter of doing "what's best" ergo, what the state has conditioned you to believe. Peer pressure and a desire to conform to not be seen as the "other". The outsider. Under threat of violence, of course... These runners are hunted down by the Sandmen, and their lives are ended in a less peaceful manner like in the sleep clinics... They're ruthlessly gunned down by a nasty little weapon simply named Gun. A biocoded weapon that cannot be used by anyone other than the sandman assigned to it. It fires a nasty little bullet that not only tracks its target, but once you're hit, it basically obliterates your nerve endings one at a time. You'll die in the most prolonged, unimaginably painful way so as to deter would-be runners from committing the same mistake of wanting to live past 21. I won't spoil a lot for you here. The books are amazing, and capture the details of a dystopian state-run commune far better than the movie does. I highly suggest them.
Thanks for that recap. I remember seeing the movie after I'd read the book and thinking, "Wait a minute...that's not how it goes....". It was the beginning of a lifetime of saying that about movies.
I read the book after the movie cause the movie just doesn't make much sense, after reading the book, it things made more sense once you understood what was excluded or changed.
Logan's Run and Soylent Green are interesting companion pieces, the former exploring the horrors of population control and the latter the horrors of overpopulation. I think we are a lot closer to Logan's Run than Soylent Green, just much more subtle. The almost religious fervor of the crowds cheering the scene where the people who've reached 30 are vaporized reminds me of the religious fervor of the woke mob these days.
Certainly a lot of psudo-religious woke mob nutcase stuff, but if you look at demographics we are in no danger of the demographic situation of Logan's Run. In Logan's run feminism and birth control didn't cause the birth rate to fall off a cliff like it did in rl. Underpopulation is going to be the major issue Earth faces, not over.
Are you wake? The world is clearly on the "Soylent Green" path. The population of the USA has doubled in my lifetime. When I was born the US was at about 160 million, today we are almost 370 million. That means the USA took almost 200 years to get to 160 million and only 50 years to gain another 180 million. We coddle and spend resources on the useless criminals and those that do not contribute to society in any meaningful way. No, the future of the USA and much of the world is Soylent Green.
@@rhenmerchant5715 the population is only going up because of immigration, look at the populations of places that aren't immigration hotspots, they are almost ALL in population decline. Look at the global fertility rate. Look at births per 10000 people.
@@hunteralderman4867 Maybe you should learn to look up data and do math. World population 1950, 2.5 Billion. World population 2019, 7.7 Billion. Even though the birth rate is in decline per "10,000 people" there a shit tone more "10,000 people" than there were 50 years ago. The projected population of 2050 is 9.7 billion and that comes with a significantly reduced estimated birth rate. For example a 1% birth rate of 2.7 billion is 27 million. A 0.5% birth rate of 7.7 billion is 38 million. See how math works!
I remember seeing this movie on TV when I was a kid. Thanks for the walk down memory lane. And to anyone who's never seen it before who might think the look is "cheesy" remember, everything we watch now will look cheesy 50 years in the future.
I think about that every time I watch a movie from the '70s or '80s, and I have a really hard time picturing how intense and realistic things are going to be decades from now. Like, what is it going to be? Full VR immersion with haptic suits and better than photorealistic CGI?
Well just re-watch the new Indiana Jones trailer, specifically Harrison ford riding a horse and it's not hard to visualise how harsh future criticism will be.
Has the world really "advanced' much since the 70's?. Apart from the internet we are still using the same basic technology of that era, and even the genuine value of the internet is debatable as it has created as many negative aspects as positive ones.. Sure our tech today is a faster leaner version that the 70's but its basically still the same stuff. Genuine technological breakthroughs are pretty rare.
@@braxxian Thank you for that. I was thinking something similar to this a few years back when I was in Costco and looked at the HD TVs and began to wonder "OK, so we have a TV with a slightly better picture than what they got in the 20th century, but is that really that much of a technological advance?"
The Vulcan salute probably was just an Easter Egg, but it was definitely an intelligent one. After the fall of their "perfect" society, people could indeed live long and prosper.
I'm not so sure about that. This population cannot take care of itself, having been catered by the system that just went kablooey! Most of them will probably starve or freeze to death in the first year outside of bubble city.
After the inhabitants of the domed city exit, everyone is amazed by the old man, astounded by outside, rejoicing at their freedom, someone asks a terrifying question. "So, what's for dinner?" Great review. I've always loved this movie.
Indeed. The majority of these people would die out since they have become totally dependent on the machine that runs the city to support them. They have no actual skills to survive alone. A handful might make it, but most wouldn't.
"So, what's for dinner?" These are things that are glossed over in movies like this (still love them). Think about Avengers Endgame. You have a world population that has adjusted with infrastructure and supplies to after the snap, then one instant later its doubled. Where is all the food and housing for those people going to come from?
That was my exact thought with Wall-E. The vast majority of those conditioned to be cared for by machines would die (many willingly, I assume) in a brief time if their lives were solely sustained by physical labour.
The best moment of this movie was as a 15 year old in the mid-1980's trying to pause the video in the VCR at the millisecond that Jenny Aguter gets her kit off in the ice cave
The Omen II has global food control as a side plot. The writers could have chosen anything but they chose this. I'm not religious, but these days it's hard to think of stuff going on as anything but sat*nic.
I really enjoy when you do videos covering these types of topics dude. As fun as shitting on Disney is, your insights and breakdowns of these oldschool sci fi properties are always on point
Great movie, and one thing to remember for people who weren’t alive in 1976 is this was the last big science fiction movie to come out before Star Wars the following year. I have this movie on DVD and I have watched it many times. I think the computer assigned Logan to find sanctuary and reassigned him a as a runner because it was programmed to end life in the domes when the time was right. A large part of the movie was filmed in a shopping mall in the Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas area.
I read that the Vulcan hand salute was done quite randomly by an extra who wanted to distinguish himself in the crowd. And since it was impossible to edit out and there were no other takes of the scene, it was left in the Final Cut of the film.
Fair and balanced review of a pretty good film, which I saw in the theater when it premiered. Yes, Michael York was well-cast, and Jenny Agutter's hotness never fades.
I love how the only reason that Logan and Jessica don't end up like all the other Runners is because he's the first Runner with a gun. Also, it's been pointed out to me before... what about those babies we saw in the nursery at the beginning? Because it sure doesn't look like anybody thought to go and get those babies while the city is going down in flames at the end. Something to consider.
Wonderful video! The participants in the carousel ritual believed they would reincarnate in baby's body and get another 30 years. This is made clear just after the nursery scene, at the beginning of the film. I read that the colour of the clothes the city dwellers wear matches their life clocks (crystals on their palms): babies have clear crystals on their palms and wear white clothes until they turn 8. Children from the ages of 8 to 16 have yellow crystals on their palms and wear yellow. Young people from the ages of 16 to 25 , like Jessica, have green crystals on their palms and wear green clothes. Finally, people from the ages of 26 to 30 have red/crimson crystals on their palms and wear red/crimson clothes and when they turn 30, their crystals start to blink. The Sandmen, however, always wear black and grey.
I absolutely love this film (never noticed the vulcan salute). There was a TV series that followed. It sort of worked as a similar scenario to this story, but more of a parallel to the film. I quite enjoyed it.
Interesting fact - for the first episode, they had to tone down Carousel for TV so that the victims weren't "exploded", but instead disintegrated. The series gets a little schlocky here and there, but there are some episodes which are remarkably mercenary. It's still a little personally weird to watch Donald Moffat be a quirky android after seeing him in The Thing. TBF, he had a long and rich career, so The Thing was really just another movie for him.
This is one of my all-time favorite films. There’s actually quite a lot more that you could’ve said about it and the film had a lot of more complex levels beneath the surface story. Thanks for doing a video on it.
Great flick, but I never realized just how cheap the miniature models look. Like this establishing shot of the 'tube train' looks like something I made for my model train set! ruclips.net/video/FrMLZDwuFTI/видео.html
6:29 "...There's one person in the crowd who appears to make a Vulcan _'Live long and prosper'_ hand sign". Perhaps, but that hand-sign is actually a Jewish thing that Nimoy threw in for laughs, so who knows what they guy doing it actually meant...
The book it's based upon is much darker than the movie and if memory serves last day is at 20, there also is a sequel to the book. Worth checking out and a faithful movie/TV series adaptation would be welcome.
The short lived TV series wasn't that bad although had a "Incredible Hulk" or "The Fugitive" vibe to it with Logan and Jessica fleeing Francis each week to a new settlement beyond the city. Also had a similar feel to Fantastic Journey and Otherworld TV series.
There's actually something you missed David. In the scene with the robot "Box" it's subtly revealed that the food for the city has long expired and now Box captures runners to feed the city. So the dome people have basically unknowingly been reduced to cannibalism. This is also backed up by the reference to the fish tanks being empty before meeting Box. The reality is for the city to continue, there must be runners, but even with runners, the city will eventually fail as they will run out of food.
It’s interesting how MPAA ratings have changed over the years with this being PG whilst having a scene with a drug induced orgy. Though, Beneath the Planet of the Apes rated G had the protagonist shot in the head.
@@les4767 Star Trek: The Motion Picture garnered a G rating despite the horrific transporter accident sequence (and it is absolutely terrifying and terrible). I can't believe Robert Wise shot such a brutal sequence and the MPAA still deemed it suitable for children. There's also the scene where Ilia gets "derezzed", which is pretty hard to watch, especially when you know it's coming. TMP really should've been rated a solid PG. I'd love to know how the film got away with G.
@@fredleggett923 Even funnier, the Transporter accident scene was printed on the side of McDonald's Happy meal boxes for children to promote the movie.
Regular people watching “Logan’s Run”…dystopian horror. Great Resetters watching “Logan’s Run”…instruction manual. The TV series even reveals (spoiler alert…) that the city is being secretly run by a group of elite elders who of course exempt themselves from the rules they impose on others, because they are the important people. Not clear if they own any private jets.
I think both Logan's Run and Equilibrium are more influenced by 1984, if I remember correctly, the hero in that also starts to question the system and figure out 'freedom'...
IMO, Logan's Run and Equilibrium follow along more the Fahrenheit 451 mold; an enforcer of the state starts to question or is turned into a rebellious force. 1984 plotwise seems more in tone with Brave New World, which I recently listened to a very good reading on YT.
I only saw this movie for the first time last year, and I was so pleased I found it, what a great new experience it was. I'll definitely watch it again at some point
This was one of the films that I saw many times throughout my youth back in the 1980s and onward, and I'd watch this with my parents on occasion. It is indeed memorable, though I did not fully appreciate nor understand all the themes back then. My dad had an issue of Video Review magazine that had a lengthly article describing the backstory of Logan's Run and offered more insights into it's setting. Unfortunatley, I lost that magazine many years ago.
There was a short-lived TV series after the film as well. No Michael York or Jenny Agutter but it did feature the late Donald Moffat (later to appear in John Carpenter's The Thing) as a recurring character. Very similar in quality and feel to the Planet of the Apes TV show, which didn't last very long either...
A sequel would have been interesting. Think a society of people who never provided for themselves would survive? I picture a Lord of the Flies scenario. Most would die from starvation. They were 100% dependent on the A.I. controlled society for food and medicine. Would they all have just moved into the abandoned buildings in Washington DC? I bet many would return to the remains of the domed city, it's all they knew
They filmed much of the movie in the Dallas/Ft Worth area back in 1975, where I grew up. The black Sandman HQ was the Zales Jewelry tower. The water treatment facility at the edge of the city was the Ft Worth Water Gardens, which still look the same today. A couple of our substitute teachers had roles as extras in the film.
Francis is played by Richard Jordan, he is such an excellent actor, he impressed me since I was a kid, I think the first time I saw him was in the tv mini-series The French Atlantic Affair. Recently I watched The Mean Season for the first time, it's a good enough thriller and he was great as always. To me he is the American version of Alain Delon. - LOOOOVE Logans Run!
@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 He has that slick, a bit menacing arrogance, but he's not completely unlikeable, I played theater a bit, just a hobbyist group. I couldn't pull this off. Hardly anyone can pull is off. It's puzzling.
@@olafweyer859 So true. It is a real talent to be able to make people like and dislike you at the same time. While being understated the whole time. Actually, the whole cast in "Logan's Run" was almost better than it deserved. With Farrah Fawcett's feature film debut being the cherry on top.
Thanks for reviewing this. I’ve loved this film since I was a kid! I’ve not read the books or seen the TV series but the movie, with its rich world-building and competent screenplay has always been special for me. Of course, when I first saw it as a kid, any real world relevance was lost on me. Now, I see it’s up there with 1984 and Brave New World.
I think I saw the movie as a kid, but I don't really remember it. I do have the TV show on DVD. I consider it a glorious example of 70's sci-fi that's both cheesy and enjoyable. The first episode seems to be a 40 minute rehash of the movie (with different actors). After that, every episode is Logan, Jessica and an additional side kick travel around, running into various groups of people surviving outside the City of Domes while being pursued by Francis. But of course, none of the places they find are Sanctuary where the other runners have fled. Quality definitely varies. A few episodes are cringy, but some are quite good.
There is an Episode of Family Guy where Brian Dreams he is in Logan's Run. The Sandmen catch up to him and then he says "What about that guy, he has to be at least 50." Pointing to snoopy.
This was good. Please keep pointing out good shows and movies. I always thought of Logan Run's as some futuristic way of dealing with the elderly. In that society they deal with an aging population by killing them.
@@bumblebee9337 Yes, sort of. The movie is very different and IMO better. In the novel people at 21 go to die in a "sleepshop", e.g. an euthanasia facility instead of the carousel. And there is a sanctuary, it's an old abandoned Mars colony where runners escape with space rockets launched from the old Cape Kennedy.
I recently re-watched this. A childhood favorite from the 70s. This came out a year before Star Wars and a year after Rollerball. It holds up better than the original Westword (1973) film, which got a little campy.
I'd point out that while the inhabitants know they are watching people be obliterated during the Carrousel ritual, most people believe they will be "renewed", effectively reincarnated. Logan and Francis discuss it in a nursery, suspecting that one of the newborns is actually a renewed colleague of theirs, and later Logan asks Francis if he has ever actually seen someone renewed, to which Francis responds in the affirmative but he is clearly lying and quickly changes the subject. Later Logan deduces through the instructions given by the master control computer (which runs everything) that no one, ever, has been renewed, and is understandably shocked. The system is in balance, just not in the way anyone believes.
I work just a couple blocks away from the Water Gardens featured at the end of the film. Of all the locations in D/FW the film was shot at, only two remain. Of those two, only the Water Gardens are recognizable, as the Dallas Market Center has been remodeled several times since 1976.
Just another one of those weird future movies from a time of good cinema that I watched religiously at 3:00 in the morning and explains why I used to sleep through gym class. Memories... 😊
Something that always bothered me about this movie is the motivation of the sandmen. All the people of this civilization get to live lives of ease and pleasure but the sandmen must spend their days and nights running down and capturing or killing runners for seemingly no benefit. The sandmen don't get to live any longer, there's no money or property in this world so what is their motivation? In this world you are provided for whether you work or not.
Quite a bit of this movie was filmed locally. The giant space inside the city was the Dallas Fashion Mart, the water feature Logan and Jessica dive into while Ustinov waits outside for is the Fort Worth Water Gardens, and a lot of the interior city scenes were filmed in Valley View Mall before it was opened (there used to be a Suncoast Video Company store there, the teenage clerk didn't even know a film was made there). When I was a teen, the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History had that hologram of Logan from the end ("There is no sanctuary! All frozen!") inside a transparent pillar there. I wonder if it's still there?
@@Vingul Sure. My top 12 Science Fiction films, not ranked. 12. Logan's Run(1976) 11. Planet of the Apes(1968) 10. The Day the Earth Stood Still(1951) 9. Forbidden Planet(1956) 8. 2001 A Space Odyssey(1968) 7. Close Encounters of the Third Kind(1977) 6. The Matrix(1999) 5. WALL-E(2008) 4. Blade Runner(1982) 3. Star Wars(1977)-technically Science Fantasy, but I'm counting it here 2. Back to the Future(1985) 1. Fantastic Voyage(1966) Honorable Mentions: Enemy Mine(1985) War of the Worlds(1953) The Terminator(1984) Jurassic Park(1993) The Incredible Shrinking Man(1957) Escape from New York(1981) Outland(1981) Superman The Movie(1978) The Blob(1958/1988) both great The Fly(1958/1988) both great Avatar(2009) Moon(2009) Interstellar(2014) Dune(1984/2021) Just off the top of my head. What're yours?
@@les4767 Cool, thanks! Without considering much or ordering them neatly - and taking inspiration from your list: Top 4: Blade Runner Solaris (1972) 2001: A Space Odyssey Dune (1984) Also: The Thing Silent Running Escape from New York Star Wars Brazil (I think, been a long time) Total Recall Soylent Green Akira They Live Stalker would be high up there, but I don’t really consider it science fiction. «Roadside Picnic», which Stalker is based on, is definitely a (good) science fiction novel.
@@Vingul Yeah, if I'd thought of them, Brazil, Total Recall and Soylent Green would've at least made my honorable mentions. Good calls. Which version of Solaris were you thinking of?
It reminds me of Neil Postman's book Amusing Ourselves To Death in the way we have let lies be accepted as long as we get to live in a state of delusion that gives us all the trappings of a dream to live by .. i see how we are waking headline into our own version of this by creativity having no art that reflects back to make us question things. to have the mirror just feed us what we want and never make us think .. that is how we will enter into another darkened age.
_"...having no art that reflects back to make us question things."_ I get the impression that most bigwigs in media and art think like most 20th Century revolutionaries, that they've "reached the end of history" so to speak, they their struggle is the most righteous and everything against it and them is evil. And so all of the questioning they were allowed of society then, _ist verboten_ now, "because hey, we've already answered all of that, and it turned out to be in our favor conveniently enough. No more questions, please. Blacklists exist for those who ask the wrong things." And so anyone else below them that does art gets the memo through osmosis, and they tend to just reflect safe, corporate branding. Nostalgia is the perfect drug to keep the corporate narrative going and to divert interest away from new things that might break with that narrative.
@@kyleshockley1573 Sounds like you have read Postman good sir. he mentions that the younger generation has no sense of a connection to history and they would rather fill the connection of time with false senses of passages - nostalgia. it very much becomes a drug to hold history hostage to a broken field of though. an easy to sell to a child of no history.
I remember that there was a TV series too. But the movie was way better. I find those special effects and so well done models endearing. Michael York was perfect for the role. The girl was gorgeous. Richard Jordan was later the corageous Duncan Idaho in the cult movie "Dune". And Peter Ustinov... "Quo Vadis"... The peplum movies of our childhood. I have seen this movie many times and here I have to recommend another very similar one: "TXH 1138", which is even older. My infancy was spent among that kind of movies and Carl Sagan's Cosmos TV series. If I am as I am today, it is thanks to these magnificent works. As always, Dave, nice to hear you talk about science fiction. Are you sure it will still be science fiction today? It seems that we live in a kind of prequel to so many dystopian movies: Soylent Green, 1984 and, of course, this one. I just hope this straightens out, we have a lot to say in this, resisting the horror of a totalitarian planned state. We can make a difference!
The TV series starred Gregory Harrison (Gonzo from Trapper John, M.D.) as Logan. It's a fairly typical "on the run" type show. The TV series, Planet of the Apes was similar. The channel, Stam Fine, which does overviews of mainly 70's & 80's TV and movies (mostly sci-fi and fantasy) did an overview of the series not to long ago.
I saw it in theater, first run. It was a mind blowing film, particularly with the theme of questioning authority and oversight. Remember when that was "cool"? Loved the old man and his empire of cats! The TV show was OK, given the things things that had to modified for the change of media. The film was top drawer.
I'm in my 30s and I love collecting these older films and even found Soylent Green as well. Lots of older neighbors in my small community I live in love how I enjoy the movies they know of and let's face it modern movies are quite boring.
I definitely would like to watch it, I've vaguely heard about it before but this made me really want to see it, especially as it's starting to mirror modern society
one of my fav movies of all time. many saturn references, clock noises in the ai room, the ritual was calling for capricorn, muladhara on the bottom of the ritual space, the sandmens dress, name, function and status, .. also, there are some garden eden vibes imo, how the domes work and jessica is like the snake guiding logan out by descending through sewers. theres definitely a lot of esoteric stuff in it, like the life phases in chakra colours.. oh and btw i forgot to mention theres a tv show too, this wasnt the pilot though, they remade it with different actors.
I can’t help but notice that the population doesn’t seem to be at all diverse,there’s little if any non-whites,so what happened??….. is this an apartheid society or has something far more sinister occurred …?
Logan's Run is one of my absolute favorite films of all time and whenever i have the chance to bring it up in conversation, i always do. It is one of those movies that every serious movie fan MUST have in his collection. I always thought of 'Equilibrium' as more of a 'Fahrenheit 451 meets The Matrix' though. Logan's Run is a classic that never gets old and still speaks of how things are going and might possibly end up. The carousel audience wasn't knowingly watching displays of execution-they all believed that some people were actually renewed and living past 30-even Logan. That's why he is so shocked later in the film when he discovers that NO ONE renews. Anyway, love your show Dave and even though i don't usually comment, i watch them all.
It's funny you mention Equilibrium, because I do like that film, but I noticed it was sort of a "Greatest Hits" sort of film, drawing inspiration from many different dystopian films both past and more contemporary to when it was made, and not just in the writing but in the camera work, framing and visuals. There's Logan's Run, Farenheight 451, Brave New World, visuals from Blade Runner here and there, it's an amazing mash-up.
One of my favorite movies of the era. I actually watched the series about that before I managed to view the actual movie. The Series actually aged pretty poorly, but there are 3-4 episodes who really stands out from the rest ("Crypt", "Man out of Time", "Carousel", and the first episode until they find and use their hovercraft. The other 9 or so episodes are pretty "meh". Maybe "The Innocent" gets a pass because it has some pretty funny moments). Then I saw the movie. It aged really well all things considered, effects are still good enough to not feel cheesy, and I being a fan of colorful sets/outfits I always enjoy it. Thanks for the review !
The 1000's of extras, were chosen from; upper class, Dallas, Texas, high school students. I remember the movie being filmed, and you are correct, it was filmed at local shopping malls!!! That is most likely we're the Vulcan hand sign came in, as a lot of rich kids into Sci-Fi were picked as extras, and the director tried to get locals to: "Buy into the idea of no one under 30..." It is scary to see so many go along with the movie theme. For better understanding, read the history of Dallas and it's 1970's technology boom.
I saw this as a teenage in the Late'70's as a "TV Movie of the Week" which used to be a big deal It looked so much different from the world of the present we couldn't imagine anything like it Fast forward 40 plus years to today... And Holy Sh_t! We’re on the precipice of something like that... Plenty of sheep that would willing go to Carousel if "Big Government' told them it was for their own good
The main problem with Logan's Run's Sets, Costumes, Special Effects and Cinematography is that they were outdated a year after it came out :) For 1976 Logan's Run was about as good as any Sci-Fi film could be expected to be.....Then a little film called Star Wars was released the following year! Logan's Run made 25 million dollars on a 7-8 million dollar budget Star Wars' budget......11 million and we all know what it did to the Box Office :) It literally made back 70x its budget....For comparison Avatar only made back 12-13x its budget.
Its amazing how many older classics I saw years ago without knowing it. I remember as a child seeing the very last of this movie and my mother explaining that they had never seen an old person before.
The film does gloss over the ultimate fate of escaped runners and the existence of other Cities. A thousand people had to go somewhere, after all. I once thought that the computer itself created the myth of Sanctuary to flush out dissidents, no doubt a problem in the early days of The City. This dystopia's creators are presumably long dead, and never identified, as if the computer itself created everything.
Quite likely, perhaps the unaccounted for runners were frozen in the cold storage plant. But telling the computer the key to the cold storage plant was the key to sanctuary led to a Hofstadter - Möbius loop as the 2001 crowd understands it, only this computer didn't have to have its memory erased, it did so itself.
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When a dystopian future in a classic science fiction movie starts to look better than the present reality, we are in trouble.
Indeed. At least they got 30 years of happiness.😛
Pfft, you can dislike the current state of things without being silly.
It was 21 in the book.
@@bannedmann4469 whos being silly
But you can't be a Leftist without being silly
Oh, it's a very campy and very 70's movie, but Jenny Agutter in her prime does a lot to keep me invested and has done since I first saw it as teenager!
The green muzzle flash from the guns is also rather cool too.
Campy?! Really?!
@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Yes, most SciFi of those days was campy. Star Wars broke with that thanks to Lucas.
Many of these campy sci-fi movies have more substance or ideas than the shinier, better produced stuff of today.
Because all of phase 4 Marvel is better than Logan's Run because it doesn't look campy. Or maybe not. I'll take the lower budget, older tech 'cheese' please
Mmm, Jenny Agutter in the 70's [drools]
@@jameydunne3920 Me as well all the Green screens look more fake than these old models. These older films made you think as well of how things could actually turn out. You didn't need massive explosions and Michael Bay movies of mass empty destruction, or A Team 1000 shots fired and nobody gets hit and no blood. I am so burnt out on superhero movies sometimes these older films I find much more intriguing. Also the women were beautiful as well as resourceful not in todays cinema where they need no man's help Mary Sue's right out of the gate.
Love this movie. Especially when Logan first meets Jessica and so nonchalantly says, “Hi, let’s have sex.”😂
It's a brave new world
It made perfect sense in context. She had put herself into a casual hookup database.
I think I should pause this review and watch the movie.
I've tried that line. To be fair, Logan got further than me.
@@Concerned_Bystander been waiting for others to notice this
The society in this movie sounds eerily like a WEF/Klaus Schwab wet moist dream come true! ... the insanity that happened during cov also feels like it was a test run to pave the way for a cult like society like the one in the movie, chilling stuff!
You're just being a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Now, eat your Soylent Green, watch these Ministry-of-Truth-approved shows, consume, breed, pay your taxes and be quiet.
At this point I would be definitive a runner.
@@dermagnus8482 Absolutely!
@@chainsawsubtlety9828 Eat ze boogs and get in ur pod citizen 9828!
@@dermagnus8482 I'm just afraid there won't be anywhere to run to... Or that any wilderness areas will be patrolled with predator drones and terminator units.
"Like all totalitarian regimes, the system the population lives under can only operate by attempting to transform humanity into something entirely unnatural..." This was a huge insight Dave. I hadn't seen that before. But in hindsight, you are spot on. Thanks for this video.
Like USA and China?
Like how woke "entertainment" sucks. The reason is because it's literally insane (does not conform to reality). Also why good moral messages make for good shows.
This syndrome can be summarized with the phrase "immanentize the eschaton" for easy deployment in conversation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton
@@ramonandrajo6348 China is better than that. It solves its problems.
@@dansmith1661 WHAT?!
If you haven't read the book that the movie is based on, I highly suggest it over the film. There are many differences, and the read is overall more enjoyable.
There are 3 books in the series, by the way. Enjoy!
Edit: To explain just a few differences,
The state sanctioned mandatory deaths are at the age of 21 instead of 30. The policy was put in place after war, famine and general tomfuckery occurred which left the globe devastated. A young senator became a strong proponent for the death clause and even went so far as to be the first volunteer to be put to sleep, which made him a martyr.
The youth of the day, who had had enough of the "older" people constantly mucking things up, pushed hard for this way of life. And after many, many generations, this has become the way of things. Once born, babies are placed in a "Nursery" where they're taken care of by unthinking, unfeeling machines.
The crystal, named the Palm Flower, is installed in their hand at birth, and it changes colors throughout the unnatural life cycle. Starting with blue, at a certain age it turns yellow, then red. On your final day, it begins to blink red and black until finally... black. Time to go to sleep.
The populace knows they're going to die. But it's seen as something of a societal norm. It's expected of you to go to a sleep clinic to be put down. It's often a celebrated event, even. Like a birthday. Ironic.
Runners are the sane individuals who don't adhere to the state doctrine and want to live. It isn't a matter of believing there IS no life after 21, it's a matter of doing "what's best" ergo, what the state has conditioned you to believe. Peer pressure and a desire to conform to not be seen as the "other". The outsider. Under threat of violence, of course...
These runners are hunted down by the Sandmen, and their lives are ended in a less peaceful manner like in the sleep clinics...
They're ruthlessly gunned down by a nasty little weapon simply named Gun. A biocoded weapon that cannot be used by anyone other than the sandman assigned to it. It fires a nasty little bullet that not only tracks its target, but once you're hit, it basically obliterates your nerve endings one at a time. You'll die in the most prolonged, unimaginably painful way so as to deter would-be runners from committing the same mistake of wanting to live past 21.
I won't spoil a lot for you here.
The books are amazing, and capture the details of a dystopian state-run commune far better than the movie does.
I highly suggest them.
Thanks for that recap. I remember seeing the movie after I'd read the book and thinking, "Wait a minute...that's not how it goes....". It was the beginning of a lifetime of saying that about movies.
I read the book after the movie cause the movie just doesn't make much sense, after reading the book, it things made more sense once you understood what was excluded or changed.
I loved the books too. Much better than the movie
@@darthlaurel lol! That’s what I said too about the movie!
Yes, the original book is far better than the movie adaptation in my opinion.
Logan's Run and Soylent Green are interesting companion pieces, the former exploring the horrors of population control and the latter the horrors of overpopulation. I think we are a lot closer to Logan's Run than Soylent Green, just much more subtle. The almost religious fervor of the crowds cheering the scene where the people who've reached 30 are vaporized reminds me of the religious fervor of the woke mob these days.
Add Rollerball
Certainly a lot of psudo-religious woke mob nutcase stuff, but if you look at demographics we are in no danger of the demographic situation of Logan's Run. In Logan's run feminism and birth control didn't cause the birth rate to fall off a cliff like it did in rl.
Underpopulation is going to be the major issue Earth faces, not over.
Are you wake? The world is clearly on the "Soylent Green" path. The population of the USA has doubled in my lifetime. When I was born the US was at about 160 million, today we are almost 370 million. That means the USA took almost 200 years to get to 160 million and only 50 years to gain another 180 million. We coddle and spend resources on the useless criminals and those that do not contribute to society in any meaningful way. No, the future of the USA and much of the world is Soylent Green.
@@rhenmerchant5715 the population is only going up because of immigration, look at the populations of places that aren't immigration hotspots, they are almost ALL in population decline.
Look at the global fertility rate.
Look at births per 10000 people.
@@hunteralderman4867 Maybe you should learn to look up data and do math. World population 1950, 2.5 Billion. World population 2019, 7.7 Billion. Even though the birth rate is in decline per "10,000 people" there a shit tone more "10,000 people" than there were 50 years ago. The projected population of 2050 is 9.7 billion and that comes with a significantly reduced estimated birth rate. For example a 1% birth rate of 2.7 billion is 27 million. A 0.5% birth rate of 7.7 billion is 38 million. See how math works!
I remember seeing this movie on TV when I was a kid. Thanks for the walk down memory lane. And to anyone who's never seen it before who might think the look is "cheesy" remember, everything we watch now will look cheesy 50 years in the future.
I think about that every time I watch a movie from the '70s or '80s, and I have a really hard time picturing how intense and realistic things are going to be decades from now.
Like, what is it going to be? Full VR immersion with haptic suits and better than photorealistic CGI?
Well just re-watch the new Indiana Jones trailer, specifically Harrison ford riding a horse and it's not hard to visualise how harsh future criticism will be.
Has the world really "advanced' much since the 70's?. Apart from the internet we are still using the same basic technology of that era, and even the genuine value of the internet is debatable as it has created as many negative aspects as positive ones.. Sure our tech today is a faster leaner version that the 70's but its basically still the same stuff. Genuine technological breakthroughs are pretty rare.
I saw this on TV as well back in the day...the follow-on TV series wasn't nearly as good
@@braxxian Thank you for that. I was thinking something similar to this a few years back when I was in Costco and looked at the HD TVs and began to wonder "OK, so we have a TV with a slightly better picture than what they got in the 20th century, but is that really that much of a technological advance?"
The Vulcan salute probably was just an Easter Egg, but it was definitely an intelligent one. After the fall of their "perfect" society, people could indeed live long and prosper.
Well they could prosper. As for live long? not so much.
No Easter Egg. Just a film extra from Dallas and a nerd
I didn't notice it but I've only seen the film once. It is perfect. Live LONG and prosper.
I'm not so sure about that. This population cannot take care of itself, having been catered by the system that just went kablooey! Most of them will probably starve or freeze to death in the first year outside of bubble city.
The 'live long and prosper' salute does have a real world origin that pre-dates Star Trek, but I'm not sure it's significant here.
After the inhabitants of the domed city exit, everyone is amazed by the old man, astounded by outside, rejoicing at their freedom, someone asks a terrifying question. "So, what's for dinner?" Great review. I've always loved this movie.
Indeed. The majority of these people would die out since they have become totally dependent on the machine that runs the city to support them. They have no actual skills to survive alone. A handful might make it, but most wouldn't.
@@braxxian The old man could have taught them some things.
"So, what's for dinner?" These are things that are glossed over in movies like this (still love them). Think about Avengers Endgame. You have a world population that has adjusted with infrastructure and supplies to after the snap, then one instant later its doubled. Where is all the food and housing for those people going to come from?
That was my exact thought with Wall-E. The vast majority of those conditioned to be cared for by machines would die (many willingly, I assume) in a brief time if their lives were solely sustained by physical labour.
Plenty to eat in the frozen cave. :)
On the subject of 70s dystopian films, Dave should really do Rollerball. It's one of the earliest commentaries on megacorps ruling over everything
Absolutely, with it's state controlling information.
Done.
@@jeffcher10 state? Rewatch it.
The best moment of this movie was as a 15 year old in the mid-1980's trying to pause the video in the VCR at the millisecond that Jenny Aguter gets her kit off in the ice cave
i make hand party
You should have gone Walkabout
think film called "walkabout" has some loverly artful shots of ms agutters most curvy naked form..
Pausing VCRs in the 1980's always had the same problem....... there was a line of static across exactly the bit that you wanted to see!
@@IfUfindthisURlost Exactly, leading to 20 mins messing around with the "tracking" dial thing trying to (unsuccessfully) remove it
1970's No Blade Of Grass needs a rebirth of popularity and recognition with regards to the coming global food shortages.
Brilliant book/movie. Could do with a remake. Brutally honest.
Food shortages? Even the illegal aliens are mostly overfed.
The Omen II has global food control as a side plot. The writers could have chosen anything but they chose this. I'm not religious, but these days it's hard to think of stuff going on as anything but sat*nic.
Thank you for the recommendation. 👍🏾
@@kfUNC1 Thank you for yours! I wasn't aware of Blades of Grass!
Jenny Aguter, simply beautiful. A great film that I watch again every now and then.
Watch her in American Werewolf in London.
She was lovely in MI5 and is still lovely - although showing her years, in Call the Midwife.
I love the hell out of this movie, 70s cheese and all. I have ever since I saw it on television right around the time Star Wars was all the rage.
I really enjoy when you do videos covering these types of topics dude. As fun as shitting on Disney is, your insights and breakdowns of these oldschool sci fi properties are always on point
I agree Dave is a great reviewer. I like the classic reviews. Got me to watch Forbidden Planet which I enjoyed!
Great movie, and one thing to remember for people who weren’t alive in 1976 is this was the last big science fiction movie to come out before Star Wars the following year. I have this movie on DVD and I have watched it many times. I think the computer assigned Logan to find sanctuary and reassigned him a as a runner because it was programmed to end life in the domes when the time was right. A large part of the movie was filmed in a shopping mall in the Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas area.
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@@creatorsfreedom6734 That came out in 1970.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 On my todo list, I've never seen it on home video or any streaming site.
I read that the Vulcan hand salute was done quite randomly by an extra who wanted to distinguish himself in the crowd. And since it was impossible to edit out and there were no other takes of the scene, it was left in the Final Cut of the film.
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Fair and balanced review of a pretty good film, which I saw in the theater when it premiered. Yes, Michael York was well-cast, and Jenny Agutter's hotness never fades.
I always why, when so much in sci-fi movies is copied, Jenny Agutter's outfit wasn't copied, over and over and over?
I find it so strange that dystopian fiction is so popular, yet most people never seem to suspect we might be living in one.
I think most people do, they're just afraid to say it, due to the social consequences.
I love how the only reason that Logan and Jessica don't end up like all the other Runners is because he's the first Runner with a gun.
Also, it's been pointed out to me before... what about those babies we saw in the nursery at the beginning? Because it sure doesn't look like anybody thought to go and get those babies while the city is going down in flames at the end. Something to consider.
so, kinda funny the fight with francis didn't involve guns, eh?
True 😢
Wonderful video! The participants in the carousel ritual believed they would reincarnate in baby's body and get another 30 years. This is made clear just after the nursery scene, at the beginning of the film. I read that the colour of the clothes the city dwellers wear matches their life clocks (crystals on their palms): babies have clear crystals on their palms and wear white clothes until they turn 8. Children from the ages of 8 to 16 have yellow crystals on their palms and wear yellow. Young people from the ages of 16 to 25 , like Jessica, have green crystals on their palms and wear green clothes. Finally, people from the ages of 26 to 30 have red/crimson crystals on their palms and wear red/crimson clothes and when they turn 30, their crystals start to blink. The Sandmen, however, always wear black and grey.
I absolutely love this film (never noticed the vulcan salute). There was a TV series that followed. It sort of worked as a similar scenario to this story, but more of a parallel to the film. I quite enjoyed it.
Interesting fact - for the first episode, they had to tone down Carousel for TV so that the victims weren't "exploded", but instead disintegrated.
The series gets a little schlocky here and there, but there are some episodes which are remarkably mercenary. It's still a little personally weird to watch Donald Moffat be a quirky android after seeing him in The Thing. TBF, he had a long and rich career, so The Thing was really just another movie for him.
@@fredleggett923 Thanks for the info. I only saw it and reviewed it last year. I enjoyed it. It’s a shame that it only lasted one season 😊
@@coecludd The girl who played Jessica, Heather Menzies, was the perfect girl-next-door type and hellaciously cute.
It's been years since I last watched this film.
Frightening to think just how relevant it is today,
This is one of my all-time favorite films. There’s actually quite a lot more that you could’ve said about it and the film had a lot of more complex levels beneath the surface story. Thanks for doing a video on it.
Great flick, but I never realized just how cheap the miniature models look. Like this establishing shot of the 'tube train' looks like something I made for my model train set!
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6:29 "...There's one person in the crowd who appears to make a Vulcan _'Live long and prosper'_ hand sign". Perhaps, but that hand-sign is actually a Jewish thing that Nimoy threw in for laughs, so who knows what they guy doing it actually meant...
The book it's based upon is much darker than the movie and if memory serves last day is at 20, there also is a sequel to the book. Worth checking out and a faithful movie/TV series adaptation would be welcome.
The short lived TV series wasn't that bad although had a "Incredible Hulk" or "The Fugitive" vibe to it with Logan and Jessica fleeing Francis each week to a new settlement beyond the city. Also had a similar feel to Fantastic Journey and Otherworld TV series.
5:31 was filmed fifteen minutes away here in Fort Worth, TX at the Fort Worth Water Garden! So awesome to see it when it was brand new.
Appreciated a Blogger who goes back to review classics 😎👊
There's actually something you missed David. In the scene with the robot "Box" it's subtly revealed that the food for the city has long expired and now Box captures runners to feed the city. So the dome people have basically unknowingly been reduced to cannibalism. This is also backed up by the reference to the fish tanks being empty before meeting Box. The reality is for the city to continue, there must be runners, but even with runners, the city will eventually fail as they will run out of food.
I've enjoyed this movie for decades and still rewatch it every few years.
The Vulcan salute is actually the Hebrew letter Shin, meaning "almighty God."
Nimoy was Jewish and used it in the series as an homage.
It’s interesting how MPAA ratings have changed over the years with this being PG whilst having a scene with a drug induced orgy. Though, Beneath the Planet of the Apes rated G had the protagonist shot in the head.
No kidding. "Jaws" is rated PG despite having Quint eaten alive by the shark feet first by the shark and spitting blood out at the end.
Barbarella is rated pg and you see Jane Fondas boobs lol
@@les4767 Star Trek: The Motion Picture garnered a G rating despite the horrific transporter accident sequence (and it is absolutely terrifying and terrible). I can't believe Robert Wise shot such a brutal sequence and the MPAA still deemed it suitable for children.
There's also the scene where Ilia gets "derezzed", which is pretty hard to watch, especially when you know it's coming.
TMP really should've been rated a solid PG. I'd love to know how the film got away with G.
@@fredleggett923 I remember reading at the time that Roddenberry wanted a G rating. That doesn't necessarily explain how it got one, just why.
@@fredleggett923 Even funnier, the Transporter accident scene was printed on the side of McDonald's Happy meal boxes for children to promote the movie.
Regular people watching “Logan’s Run”…dystopian horror.
Great Resetters watching “Logan’s Run”…instruction manual.
The TV series even reveals (spoiler alert…) that the city is being secretly run by a group of elite elders who of course exempt themselves from the rules they impose on others, because they are the important people. Not clear if they own any private jets.
One of my favorite Sci-Fi movies. The plot holds together well, and the acting was good. Very good review.
"Carousel". I saw this as a kid when it first came out and Omega Man too, both great movies.
I think both Logan's Run and Equilibrium are more influenced by 1984, if I remember correctly, the hero in that also starts to question the system and figure out 'freedom'...
IMO, Logan's Run and Equilibrium follow along more the Fahrenheit 451 mold; an enforcer of the state starts to question or is turned into a rebellious force. 1984 plotwise seems more in tone with Brave New World, which I recently listened to a very good reading on YT.
Equilibrium follows Fahrenheit 451, Logan's Run is like Brave New World.
This is a classic for a reason. Thanks for bringing it up
I remember watching this film in my early teens and Jenny Agutter certainly left a lasting impression!
What part of her anatomy stood out for you? 🤪
One of my favorites from my youth as it was one they played a lot on regular TV. Jenny Agutter was an early screen crush.
I only saw this movie for the first time last year, and I was so pleased I found it, what a great new experience it was. I'll definitely watch it again at some point
This was one of the films that I saw many times throughout my youth back in the 1980s and onward, and I'd watch this with my parents on occasion. It is indeed memorable, though I did not fully appreciate nor understand all the themes back then. My dad had an issue of Video Review magazine that had a lengthly article describing the backstory of Logan's Run and offered more insights into it's setting. Unfortunatley, I lost that magazine many years ago.
There was a short-lived TV series after the film as well. No Michael York or Jenny Agutter but it did feature the late Donald Moffat (later to appear in John Carpenter's The Thing) as a recurring character. Very similar in quality and feel to the Planet of the Apes TV show, which didn't last very long either...
A sequel would have been interesting. Think a society of people who never provided for themselves would survive? I picture a Lord of the Flies scenario. Most would die from starvation. They were 100% dependent on the A.I. controlled society for food and medicine. Would they all have just moved into the abandoned buildings in Washington DC? I bet many would return to the remains of the domed city, it's all they knew
A true scifi classic.
There was also a TV series which had DC Fontana and several other Star Trek writers on staff.
They filmed much of the movie in the Dallas/Ft Worth area back in 1975, where I grew up. The black Sandman HQ was the Zales Jewelry tower. The water treatment facility at the edge of the city was the Ft Worth Water Gardens, which still look the same today. A couple of our substitute teachers had roles as extras in the film.
Francis is played by Richard Jordan, he is such an excellent actor, he impressed me since I was a kid, I think the first time I saw him was in the tv mini-series The French Atlantic Affair. Recently I watched The Mean Season for the first time, it's a good enough thriller and he was great as always. To me he is the American version of Alain Delon. - LOOOOVE Logans Run!
He also had a part in the original Dune. I also remember seem in in a small role in The Hunt For Red October.
He was also great in "The Secret of My Success".
@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 He has that slick, a bit menacing arrogance, but he's not completely unlikeable, I played theater a bit, just a hobbyist group. I couldn't pull this off. Hardly anyone can pull is off. It's puzzling.
@@olafweyer859 So true. It is a real talent to be able to make people like and dislike you at the same time. While being understated the whole time.
Actually, the whole cast in "Logan's Run" was almost better than it deserved. With Farrah Fawcett's feature film debut being the cherry on top.
@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Oh, man, Farrah Fawcett
I've realized the connections to Brave New World.
Thanks for reviewing this. I’ve loved this film since I was a kid! I’ve not read the books or seen the TV series but the movie, with its rich world-building and competent screenplay has always been special for me. Of course, when I first saw it as a kid, any real world relevance was lost on me. Now, I see it’s up there with 1984 and Brave New World.
Same here, thought the movie was amazing. The TV series,not so much.
I think I saw the movie as a kid, but I don't really remember it. I do have the TV show on DVD. I consider it a glorious example of 70's sci-fi that's both cheesy and enjoyable. The first episode seems to be a 40 minute rehash of the movie (with different actors). After that, every episode is Logan, Jessica and an additional side kick travel around, running into various groups of people surviving outside the City of Domes while being pursued by Francis. But of course, none of the places they find are Sanctuary where the other runners have fled. Quality definitely varies. A few episodes are cringy, but some are quite good.
@@ressljs Interesting. Thanks for the information on the TV series. I’d definitely like to check it out:)
There is an Episode of Family Guy where Brian Dreams he is in Logan's Run. The Sandmen catch up to him and then he says "What about that guy, he has to be at least 50." Pointing to snoopy.
That cutaway made me want to see the movie! Love Family Guy lol
This has always been one of my favorite movies.
I’m definitely checking this out
This was good. Please keep pointing out good shows and movies.
I always thought of Logan Run's as some futuristic way of dealing with the elderly. In that society they deal with an aging population by killing them.
30 is rather young. 40 would be more reasonable.
@@bumblebee9337 In the novel it's 21. The movie changed it to 30 because the producers didn't want to cast teenagers.
@@danielrudolf5441 How can you have fun when you're terminated so young? Was the novel about a hedonistic culture as depicted in the movie?
@@bumblebee9337 Yes, sort of. The movie is very different and IMO better. In the novel people at 21 go to die in a "sleepshop", e.g. an euthanasia facility instead of the carousel. And there is a sanctuary, it's an old abandoned Mars colony where runners escape with space rockets launched from the old Cape Kennedy.
Excellent movie. I love Jenny Agutter in that green dress.
This is the one “future dystopia” that is more like a “present problem” in my eyes lol compared to 1984 or any of the many others
Yea at least in this movie they get something out of their sacrifice. In real life "we will own nothing and be happy"
@@Zeriel00 1984 is definitely happening. Putin is Goldstein and the war exists simply to consume resources and human potential.
One of, if not my favourite dystopian movies.
Have you done Dark City?
Rebuilding your channel...😁 Bless you Dave. Praying for you always.
I recently re-watched this. A childhood favorite from the 70s. This came out a year before Star Wars and a year after Rollerball. It holds up better than the original Westword (1973) film, which got a little campy.
Rollerball and original Westworld are still favorites of mine
Great movie. I remember being terrified by box as a kid. “Fish, plankton, sea greens... protein from the sea!”
Jenny Agutter was definitely a 9 not a 6.
I'd point out that while the inhabitants know they are watching people be obliterated during the Carrousel ritual, most people believe they will be "renewed", effectively reincarnated. Logan and Francis discuss it in a nursery, suspecting that one of the newborns is actually a renewed colleague of theirs, and later Logan asks Francis if he has ever actually seen someone renewed, to which Francis responds in the affirmative but he is clearly lying and quickly changes the subject.
Later Logan deduces through the instructions given by the master control computer (which runs everything) that no one, ever, has been renewed, and is understandably shocked. The system is in balance, just not in the way anyone believes.
they need to remake this but with York playing the old guy, that would be awesome
I work just a couple blocks away from the Water Gardens featured at the end of the film. Of all the locations in D/FW the film was shot at, only two remain. Of those two, only the Water Gardens are recognizable, as the Dallas Market Center has been remodeled several times since 1976.
Just another one of those weird future movies from a time of good cinema that I watched religiously at 3:00 in the morning and explains why I used to sleep through gym class. Memories... 😊
Something that always bothered me about this movie is the motivation of the sandmen. All the people of this civilization get to live lives of ease and pleasure but the sandmen must spend their days and nights running down and capturing or killing runners for seemingly no benefit. The sandmen don't get to live any longer, there's no money or property in this world so what is their motivation? In this world you are provided for whether you work or not.
Logan’s Run is a movie you will never forget. Watch it.
The outdoor water feature in the 3rd act is the Fort Worth Water Gardens. It's beautiful in person.
I remember going to the cinema watching Logan's Run but for some reason had to watch it stood up, can't remember why ...
Quite a bit of this movie was filmed locally. The giant space inside the city was the Dallas Fashion Mart, the water feature Logan and Jessica dive into while Ustinov waits outside for is the Fort Worth Water Gardens, and a lot of the interior city scenes were filmed in Valley View Mall before it was opened (there used to be a Suncoast Video Company store there, the teenage clerk didn't even know a film was made there). When I was a teen, the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History had that hologram of Logan from the end ("There is no sanctuary! All frozen!") inside a transparent pillar there. I wonder if it's still there?
A classic. "Logan's Run" makes my top 12 Science fiction films list.
Do you have the whole list?
@@Vingul Sure.
My top 12 Science Fiction films, not ranked.
12. Logan's Run(1976)
11. Planet of the Apes(1968)
10. The Day the Earth Stood Still(1951)
9. Forbidden Planet(1956)
8. 2001 A Space Odyssey(1968)
7. Close Encounters of the Third Kind(1977)
6. The Matrix(1999)
5. WALL-E(2008)
4. Blade Runner(1982)
3. Star Wars(1977)-technically Science Fantasy, but I'm counting it here
2. Back to the Future(1985)
1. Fantastic Voyage(1966)
Honorable Mentions:
Enemy Mine(1985)
War of the Worlds(1953)
The Terminator(1984)
Jurassic Park(1993)
The Incredible Shrinking Man(1957)
Escape from New York(1981)
Outland(1981)
Superman The Movie(1978)
The Blob(1958/1988) both great
The Fly(1958/1988) both great
Avatar(2009)
Moon(2009)
Interstellar(2014)
Dune(1984/2021)
Just off the top of my head. What're yours?
@@les4767 Cool, thanks! Without considering much or ordering them neatly - and taking inspiration from your list:
Top 4:
Blade Runner
Solaris (1972)
2001: A Space Odyssey
Dune (1984)
Also:
The Thing
Silent Running
Escape from New York
Star Wars
Brazil (I think, been a long time)
Total Recall
Soylent Green
Akira
They Live
Stalker would be high up there, but I don’t really consider it science fiction. «Roadside Picnic», which Stalker is based on, is definitely a (good) science fiction novel.
@@Vingul Yeah, if I'd thought of them, Brazil, Total Recall and Soylent Green would've at least made my honorable mentions. Good calls. Which version of Solaris were you thinking of?
Oh....you did identify which Solaris...sorry. The remake with George Clooney is good too.
It reminds me of Neil Postman's book Amusing Ourselves To Death in the way we have let lies be accepted as long as we get to live in a state of delusion that gives us all the trappings of a dream to live by .. i see how we are waking headline into our own version of this by creativity having no art that reflects back to make us question things. to have the mirror just feed us what we want and never make us think .. that is how we will enter into another darkened age.
_"...having no art that reflects back to make us question things."_ I get the impression that most bigwigs in media and art think like most 20th Century revolutionaries, that they've "reached the end of history" so to speak, they their struggle is the most righteous and everything against it and them is evil. And so all of the questioning they were allowed of society then, _ist verboten_ now, "because hey, we've already answered all of that, and it turned out to be in our favor conveniently enough. No more questions, please. Blacklists exist for those who ask the wrong things." And so anyone else below them that does art gets the memo through osmosis, and they tend to just reflect safe, corporate branding. Nostalgia is the perfect drug to keep the corporate narrative going and to divert interest away from new things that might break with that narrative.
@@kyleshockley1573 Sounds like you have read Postman good sir. he mentions that the younger generation has no sense of a connection to history and they would rather fill the connection of time with false senses of passages - nostalgia. it very much becomes a drug to hold history hostage to a broken field of though. an easy to sell to a child of no history.
@@scottmcfadyen293 Nope, hadn't heard of Postman til your comment, but I'll check him out now. Thanks for the ref.
I remember that there was a TV series too. But the movie was way better. I find those special effects and so well done models endearing. Michael York was perfect for the role. The girl was gorgeous. Richard Jordan was later the corageous Duncan Idaho in the cult movie "Dune". And Peter Ustinov... "Quo Vadis"... The peplum movies of our childhood.
I have seen this movie many times and here I have to recommend another very similar one: "TXH 1138", which is even older. My infancy was spent among that kind of movies and Carl Sagan's Cosmos TV series. If I am as I am today, it is thanks to these magnificent works.
As always, Dave, nice to hear you talk about science fiction. Are you sure it will still be science fiction today? It seems that we live in a kind of prequel to so many dystopian movies: Soylent Green, 1984 and, of course, this one.
I just hope this straightens out, we have a lot to say in this, resisting the horror of a totalitarian planned state. We can make a difference!
The TV series starred Gregory Harrison (Gonzo from Trapper John, M.D.) as Logan. It's a fairly typical "on the run" type show. The TV series, Planet of the Apes was similar. The channel, Stam Fine, which does overviews of mainly 70's & 80's TV and movies (mostly sci-fi and fantasy) did an overview of the series not to long ago.
The girl? The. Girl? That's Jenny Agutter!
@@dsmyify Jenny Agutter, of course. Sorry but here in Spain is totally unknown. But she is lovely and I remember this movie greatly because of her.
I saw it in theater, first run. It was a mind blowing film, particularly with the theme of questioning authority and oversight. Remember when that was "cool"? Loved the old man and his empire of cats! The TV show was OK, given the things things that had to modified for the change of media. The film was top drawer.
Let’s be honest, the real reason for watching Logan’s Run is Jenny Agutter getting her kit off 😂
Totally.
Saw this movie in the theater when I was 11-years old. I fricking loved it. I don't want to watch it again because it probably hasn't aged well.
Thank you for this! One of my favorite, I secretly wish it could be rebooted but it would be horribly carouseled into woke.
I'm in my 30s and I love collecting these older films and even found Soylent Green as well. Lots of older neighbors in my small community I live in love how I enjoy the movies they know of and let's face it modern movies are quite boring.
I definitely would like to watch it, I've vaguely heard about it before but this made me really want to see it, especially as it's starting to mirror modern society
It's a great movie.
Also
Soylent Green.
Planet of the Apes 1968 version.
A Clockwork Orange.
Many more.
@@mygodisyahweh8634 oh I love A Clockwork Orange but I'll definitely check out the rest! Thank you for the recommendation! 😊
Thanks for the video - time for a rewatch!
"Acting is solid all around"
"Cough" Farrah Fawcett "Cough"
You could build a dinette set from her wooden acting, AND IT WAS ONLY SIX WORDS
one of my fav movies of all time. many saturn references, clock noises in the ai room, the ritual was calling for capricorn, muladhara on the bottom of the ritual space, the sandmens dress, name, function and status, .. also, there are some garden eden vibes imo, how the domes work and jessica is like the snake guiding logan out by descending through sewers. theres definitely a lot of esoteric stuff in it, like the life phases in chakra colours.. oh and btw i forgot to mention theres a tv show too, this wasnt the pilot though, they remade it with different actors.
Carousel is '100% safe and effective'
The final scene set is at the water gardens in Fort Worth TX.
I can’t help but notice that the population doesn’t seem to be at all diverse,there’s little if any non-whites,so what happened??….. is this an apartheid society or has something far more sinister occurred …?
Logan's Run is one of my absolute favorite films of all time and whenever i have the chance to bring it up in conversation, i always do. It is one of those movies that every serious movie fan MUST have in his collection. I always thought of 'Equilibrium' as more of a 'Fahrenheit 451 meets The Matrix' though. Logan's Run is a classic that never gets old and still speaks of how things are going and might possibly end up. The carousel audience wasn't knowingly watching displays of execution-they all believed that some people were actually renewed and living past 30-even Logan. That's why he is so shocked later in the film when he discovers that NO ONE renews. Anyway, love your show Dave and even though i don't usually comment, i watch them all.
I remember my mother taking me to the cinema to see this, awesome film, 😎👍👍
It's funny you mention Equilibrium, because I do like that film, but I noticed it was sort of a "Greatest Hits" sort of film, drawing inspiration from many different dystopian films both past and more contemporary to when it was made, and not just in the writing but in the camera work, framing and visuals. There's Logan's Run, Farenheight 451, Brave New World, visuals from Blade Runner here and there, it's an amazing mash-up.
One of my favorite movies of the era. I actually watched the series about that before I managed to view the actual movie.
The Series actually aged pretty poorly, but there are 3-4 episodes who really stands out from the rest ("Crypt", "Man out of Time", "Carousel", and the first episode until they find and use their hovercraft. The other 9 or so episodes are pretty "meh". Maybe "The Innocent" gets a pass because it has some pretty funny moments).
Then I saw the movie. It aged really well all things considered, effects are still good enough to not feel cheesy, and I being a fan of colorful sets/outfits I always enjoy it.
Thanks for the review !
An irony and yet still relative to events going on today after 2020.
Food for thought.
Logan's run Invented Tinder.
I will defiantly check it out!!!
I was just wondering when the next review would be posted. Glad to see this review.
The 1000's of extras, were chosen from; upper class, Dallas, Texas, high school students. I remember the movie being filmed, and you are correct, it was filmed at local shopping malls!!! That is most likely we're the Vulcan hand sign came in, as a lot of rich kids into Sci-Fi were picked as extras, and the director tried to get locals to: "Buy into the idea of no one under 30..." It is scary to see so many go along with the movie theme. For better understanding, read the history of Dallas and it's 1970's technology boom.
I saw this as a teenage in the Late'70's as a "TV Movie of the Week" which used to be a big deal
It looked so much different from the world of the present we couldn't imagine anything like it
Fast forward 40 plus years to today...
And Holy Sh_t! We’re on the precipice of something like that...
Plenty of sheep that would willing go to Carousel if "Big Government' told them it was for their own good
The Allegory of the Cave, Plato was quite impressive.
The main problem with Logan's Run's Sets, Costumes, Special Effects and Cinematography is that they were outdated a year after it came out :)
For 1976 Logan's Run was about as good as any Sci-Fi film could be expected to be.....Then a little film called Star Wars was released the following year!
Logan's Run made 25 million dollars on a 7-8 million dollar budget
Star Wars' budget......11 million and we all know what it did to the Box Office :) It literally made back 70x its budget....For comparison Avatar only made back 12-13x its budget.
Its amazing how many older classics I saw years ago without knowing it. I remember as a child seeing the very last of this movie and my mother explaining that they had never seen an old person before.
I also greatly enjoy and look forward to your content on other platforms, platforms that can't be mentioned on this one
Agreed
The film does gloss over the ultimate fate of escaped runners and the existence of other Cities. A thousand people had to go somewhere, after all. I once thought that the computer itself created the myth of Sanctuary to flush out dissidents, no doubt a problem in the early days of The City. This dystopia's creators are presumably long dead, and never identified, as if the computer itself created everything.
Quite likely, perhaps the unaccounted for runners were frozen in the cold storage plant. But telling the computer the key to the cold storage plant was the key to sanctuary led to a Hofstadter - Möbius loop as the 2001 crowd understands it, only this computer didn't have to have its memory erased, it did so itself.