Consistently the most thorough and among the very best reviewers on the Internet and also one of the nicest and most responsive! Thank you for what you do!
Hi James.. I've waited 20 years to get a SP Daylight. I finally got my 80s to 2000 version to go with my other SP ENGINES. I LOVE THIS MODEL!!I quilled the whistle like it says on pg 28/29. Sounds very cool. Great review, i enjoy all your reviews as i find them very informative and honest. Keep up the great work!!
Good review Mr James that a lot of extra part you get the color looks superb. Tooling on the tender looks great You always do a awesome review on the new product that come out I look forward to more reviews from your channel. Thanks for sharing!!! Robert
I wish I could afford all 4 of these models like you! I got the BNSF one at a great price and still could barely afford it on a payment plan, lol. They are so nice though! I have a Bachmann DCC Sound Value Daylight 4449 (modern) and it doesn't compare to this. Only problem is that I started having issues with my BNSF shorting out very soon into running it.
Hi James. I really enjoy your review videos. Could you tell me what smoke fluid you are using? It really gets some good smoke. Thank you very much. Jim.
Three things: The video footage is fine. If you didn't mention that you were using your phone camera and not the stand alone camera I wouldn't have known the difference. What model phone you used? I think the Broadway Daylight orange is darker the the MTH Daylight orange. Caveat: At least with my current picture settings on my TCL smart TV anyway. It was more like nine (9) seconds from the loco being lifted off the track to the stay alive cutting out instead of eight seconds. You held it off the track for a full "1-1,000" before you started counting. So you sold Broadway short!😉
Great review!! On the American Freedom Train version of the 4449, they're are a few differences from when it was in that scheme during the bicentennial and when it was repainted back to those colors in March of 2002. The differences are, the blue is more of a sky blue and the piolet has no white stripes.
James nice review. I received my BN 4449 last week and am awaiting the large lettered 4449. I have wanted the daylight for some 30 years. Please do a review of the BLI Shay.
It is actually not screwed down. It is just a lift up. Since mine is going to be stored in its packaging I kept them in place. That thing is also heavy, it is all metal.
This may just be the best HO-scale depiction of the GS-4, especially of 4449. I saw one of the pages at the old "Modeling the SP in HO Scale" website of Mr. Angel Garrido, and he mentions that the old BLI version that was produced in collaboration with now-defunct subsidiary Precision Craft Models wasn't ever a good runner. The MTH version was better at that, but it wasn't a very accurate model. Kudos to BLI for finally getting it right. I hope that ScaleTrains will release a more accurate HO scale Daylight train using the former MTH tooling, obviously tuned up to look a lot more accurate in terms of paint and with better-quality material, for this locomotive to pull, and maybe also as an eighteen-car consist like the "Daylight" had at the height of its popularity (about 1946-1950). BLI says that it will release "Stealth" versions that are DCC-ready later this year and they also want to make an N-scale version sometime in the near future, too. If they do, then I hope that it will be a lot more accurate and run better than Kato's version since Kato's version doesn't have a lot of the details that BLI's HO-scale version does. They mentioned that in the next-to-last question of last month's "Broadway Flyer" monthly newsletter. Here are the pages in question for reference. modelingthesp.com/Steam_Locomotives/Steam_Locos_IV..html broadway-limited.com/blogs/news/the-broadway-flyer-january-2024
On both of the Daylight red/orange versions the “Daylight” emblem on the skirts is in different places on the left and right sides. On one side it’s higher than the other side. That’s a pretty bad mistake.
hmm, I didn't notice that until now. Good catch. That's why I let the video do the talking in addition to what I catch because it's hard to see it all from 1-2 feet away while doing the review.
The new BLI one is a much better version. I used to have the old MTH one and while it looks nice and has the extended, unique passenger announcements, and better smoke unit, everything else the BLI one does better. One of the biggest drawbacks of the MTH version is the pulling strength and plastic drawbar. Their version that came out in 2020 had a lot of quality control issues. If you pull short trains then it should not be an issue but if say you wanted to pull the full-length Daylight passenger consist the MTH one will struggle. Paragon 4 GS4----> MTH GS4 (2008) ----> Paragon 2 GS4-----> MTH GS4 (2020)
@@OriginalBongoliath mmmm... I don't know. In my opinion the MTH one is better than this one. But I would have to see this one in person to really decide. Anyhow, for a start I love MTH smoke units! Also I run the MTH set of passenger cars + 2 and I don't have pulling problems. I wonder...
I wasn’t able to pre order this model since I wasn’t sure if this would have any significant problems. At my train club most people don’t buy broadway but buy brass. I am really impressed with this model overall the detail is spot on and the pulling power is amazing. But the thing I want to know is are there any significant problems that will appear after a few months of people using this model. Because if there isn’t I do intend on buying one of these things when I get off of college over the summer if there are any left. Regardless you did a great job on this review and I think you covered everything everyone wanted to know about for this model. Great job man.
I also didn't pre-order since I wasn’t sure if this would have any significant problems...like the paragon2 did. There is a high chance BLI releases these again as "Stealth". That will allow a "soak"/real-world testing of all the hardware. lol
MTH didn't go out of business, they just downsized when Mike Wolf retired. They got rid of their HO tooling to solely focus on O Scale, their bread and butter, selling their HO tooling to ScaleTrains.
This is my favorite locomotive. I was interested, but other reviews have had issues with derailing and shorts. Did you have any of these problems. This is not bashing Bachman, it is a serious concern if I am going to spend $700
BLI, not Bachmann. I have the BNSF 4449 version and it started having issues shorting out within 30 minutes of it running at my club. At home on a test track it seems fine though.
The only thing i dont like about the new paragon 4 series is that thier electronics are proprietary. Meaning it is nearly impossible to make changes or to even rewire the locomotive if you were to do so. I have been seeing a lot of Paragon 4 flooding the market because of this. Especially THE FEF3's
What I'm most frustrated about is the BNSF scheme should be white, and not silver markings. When the whole paint scheme is only two stripes and recording marks that is a big miss.
@@jlwii2000 all you have to do is focus on the white walls and it's a match with striping and the lettering. I was all over it in Wenatchee for the EAS in 2000, and chased it through the Yakima canyon, over Stampede Pass, into Tacoma and back down to Portland in 2001. I guess it's just different when you got to see it in person. It was some good memories... Oh well decals for the fix it is.
so if you put that in grams, thats 368 grams. I pulled tested the k4 pacific prr at 340 grams and bigboys are over 400 grams. the fact that it only slightly out does the k4 pacific isnt really all that impressive. Ill hafta test my mth. Lets see you in 3 or so years after you've run this hard 3hrs at a time in a large professional layout every weekend for the public we will see how that paragon crap stands up. If this is still running ill be surprised. my mth is still going strong. my bli engines drop like flies. Ill be passing on the bli daylight. already have one that works great.
Never pay MSRP for a new locomotive. You can always wait a bit and find better prices at wholesalers or on BLI's own refurb outlet store. I recently got Paragon4 PRR E6 Atlantic for 300$ (MSRP of $600, so basically half-off) from their outlet store. If I want to I could sell it in a year or two for much more than I paid for it.
@@nickmangona48 Prices on high end models have always been expensive even back in the "good ol' days". Your government destroyed your purchasing power by inflating the currency. Adjusted for inflation these cost as much as the old brass trains that were the best you could get but now these have better quality control and ready to run out of the box versus the tinkering you have to do with brass so overall are a better value for what you get. You can always find Bachmann models for a fraction of the price.
Nice trains James. I do got a small letter 4449 version and it was so awesome train. I do have some of my ho sp daylight passengers are 8 athearn passenger cars and 1 walther passenger car was combine car for my train I could pull. Here's my short video of my southern pacific 4449 small letter version with 9 passenger cars on the layout. (ruclips.net/user/shortsUAEt32Q8aUs) I order more athearn ho sp daylight cars because I could add more consist. Very nice video review 4449 locomotives and they are beautiful.
New tooling - shmooling ... still doesn't compare with the late MTH models. there's a cheapness about it. also, always the same lousy smoke system... and all for the mere price of $700 !
I'm sorry everyone, the screws don't have to be removed to remove the locomotive from the stand. My mistake
Consistently the most thorough and among the very best reviewers on the Internet and also one of the nicest and most responsive! Thank you for what you do!
Wow, thank you! Appreciate it.
Thanks for feedback. This is what I saw on another review as well: especially at turnouts.
The day broadway makes an accurate pere Marquette 1225, I am gonna buy it in a heartbeat. I love their models
Hi James.. I've waited 20 years to get a SP Daylight. I finally got my 80s to 2000 version to go with my other SP ENGINES. I LOVE THIS MODEL!!I quilled the whistle like it says on pg 28/29. Sounds very cool. Great review, i enjoy all your reviews as i find them very informative and honest. Keep up the great work!!
Right on! Glad you like it.
Good review Mr James that a lot of extra part you get the color looks superb.
Tooling on the tender looks great
You always do a awesome review on the new product that come out I look forward to more reviews from your channel. Thanks for sharing!!!
Robert
Now they need to make another run for passenger cars
I wish I could afford all 4 of these models like you! I got the BNSF one at a great price and still could barely afford it on a payment plan, lol. They are so nice though! I have a Bachmann DCC Sound Value Daylight 4449 (modern) and it doesn't compare to this.
Only problem is that I started having issues with my BNSF shorting out very soon into running it.
Hi James. I really enjoy your review videos. Could you tell me what smoke fluid you are using? It really gets some good smoke. Thank you very much. Jim.
Nice. I've always loved the Daylight locomotive.
Same here!
Nice trains! A nice review. Thank you, James.
hello James & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool & Thanks James Friends Randy
Thanks Randy.
Three things:
The video footage is fine. If you didn't mention that you were using your phone camera and not the stand alone camera I wouldn't have known the difference. What model phone you used?
I think the Broadway Daylight orange is darker the the MTH Daylight orange. Caveat: At least with my current picture settings on my TCL smart TV anyway.
It was more like nine (9) seconds from the loco being lifted off the track to the stay alive cutting out instead of eight seconds. You held it off the track for a full "1-1,000" before you started counting. So you sold Broadway short!😉
Great review!! On the American Freedom Train version of the 4449, they're are a few differences from when it was in that scheme during the bicentennial and when it was repainted back to those colors in March of 2002. The differences are, the blue is more of a sky blue and the piolet has no white stripes.
James nice review. I received my BN 4449 last week and am awaiting the large lettered 4449. I have wanted the daylight for some 30 years. Please do a review of the BLI Shay.
Great review mate.
fantastic engine indeed! Just because I personally like more the WP livery that the one I picked....just amazing locomotive!!
It is actually not screwed down. It is just a lift up. Since mine is going to be stored in its packaging I kept them in place. That thing is also heavy, it is all metal.
Well heck 😆. That thing wouldn't budge. Oh silly me.
This may just be the best HO-scale depiction of the GS-4, especially of 4449. I saw one of the pages at the old "Modeling the SP in HO Scale" website of Mr. Angel Garrido, and he mentions that the old BLI version that was produced in collaboration with now-defunct subsidiary Precision Craft Models wasn't ever a good runner. The MTH version was better at that, but it wasn't a very accurate model. Kudos to BLI for finally getting it right. I hope that ScaleTrains will release a more accurate HO scale Daylight train using the former MTH tooling, obviously tuned up to look a lot more accurate in terms of paint and with better-quality material, for this locomotive to pull, and maybe also as an eighteen-car consist like the "Daylight" had at the height of its popularity (about 1946-1950). BLI says that it will release "Stealth" versions that are DCC-ready later this year and they also want to make an N-scale version sometime in the near future, too. If they do, then I hope that it will be a lot more accurate and run better than Kato's version since Kato's version doesn't have a lot of the details that BLI's HO-scale version does. They mentioned that in the next-to-last question of last month's "Broadway Flyer" monthly newsletter. Here are the pages in question for reference.
modelingthesp.com/Steam_Locomotives/Steam_Locos_IV..html
broadway-limited.com/blogs/news/the-broadway-flyer-january-2024
On both of the Daylight red/orange versions the “Daylight” emblem on the skirts is in different places on the left and right sides. On one side it’s higher than the other side. That’s a pretty bad mistake.
hmm, I didn't notice that until now. Good catch. That's why I let the video do the talking in addition to what I catch because it's hard to see it all from 1-2 feet away while doing the review.
Got this exact run of GS4 as I can no longer a brand new GS4 from MTH and that was the one I wanted.
The new BLI one is a much better version. I used to have the old MTH one and while it looks nice and has the extended, unique passenger announcements, and better smoke unit, everything else the BLI one does better. One of the biggest drawbacks of the MTH version is the pulling strength and plastic drawbar. Their version that came out in 2020 had a lot of quality control issues. If you pull short trains then it should not be an issue but if say you wanted to pull the full-length Daylight passenger consist the MTH one will struggle.
Paragon 4 GS4----> MTH GS4 (2008) ----> Paragon 2 GS4-----> MTH GS4 (2020)
@@OriginalBongoliath mmmm... I don't know. In my opinion the MTH one is better than this one. But I would have to see this one in person to really decide. Anyhow, for a start I love MTH smoke units! Also I run the MTH set of passenger cars + 2 and I don't have pulling problems. I wonder...
I wasn’t able to pre order this model since I wasn’t sure if this would have any significant problems. At my train club most people don’t buy broadway but buy brass. I am really impressed with this model overall the detail is spot on and the pulling power is amazing. But the thing I want to know is are there any significant problems that will appear after a few months of people using this model. Because if there isn’t I do intend on buying one of these things when I get off of college over the summer if there are any left. Regardless you did a great job on this review and I think you covered everything everyone wanted to know about for this model. Great job man.
I also didn't pre-order since I wasn’t sure if this would have any significant problems...like the paragon2 did. There is a high chance BLI releases these again as "Stealth". That will allow a "soak"/real-world testing of all the hardware. lol
@@drewzdrew27 hopefully
I like the SD70s a whole lot.
Beautiful 😍😘❤️😘❤️
MTH didn't go out of business, they just downsized when Mike Wolf retired. They got rid of their HO tooling to solely focus on O Scale, their bread and butter, selling their HO tooling to ScaleTrains.
This is my favorite locomotive. I was interested, but other reviews have had issues with derailing and shorts. Did you have any of these problems. This is not bashing Bachman, it is a serious concern if I am going to spend $700
BLI, not Bachmann. I have the BNSF 4449 version and it started having issues shorting out within 30 minutes of it running at my club. At home on a test track it seems fine though.
good review, but I sometimes miss you just running trains
You should do the P4 New Haven I-5 next.
Y does the smoke just kinda puddle out when idle?
What smoke fluid is being used? because holy crap that's a lot lol.
It was bli filled already.
The only thing i dont like about the new paragon 4 series is that thier electronics are proprietary. Meaning it is nearly impossible to make changes or to even rewire the locomotive if you were to do so. I have been seeing a lot of Paragon 4 flooding the market because of this. Especially THE FEF3's
You can still program cv's so I'm not sure what all is locked out really.
The MTH colors are a bit pale compared to BLI in my opinion.
What I'm most frustrated about is the BNSF scheme should be white, and not silver markings. When the whole paint scheme is only two stripes and recording marks that is a big miss.
I was having a hard time telling but I understand.
@@jlwii2000 all you have to do is focus on the white walls and it's a match with striping and the lettering. I was all over it in Wenatchee for the EAS in 2000, and chased it through the Yakima canyon, over Stampede Pass, into Tacoma and back down to Portland in 2001. I guess it's just different when you got to see it in person. It was some good memories... Oh well decals for the fix it is.
First comment btw I have a question does Broadway limited imports re release old models
Yes they do with some models
Alright thanks
@@FreighttrainDaniel1225well ya and put new oh electronics in them. Lol
@@jlwii2000 thanks btw there’s a video called the brave locomotive
@@FreighttrainDaniel1225 what does THAT have to do with this?
so if you put that in grams, thats 368 grams. I pulled tested the k4 pacific prr at 340 grams and bigboys are over 400 grams. the fact that it only slightly out does the k4 pacific isnt really all that impressive. Ill hafta test my mth. Lets see you in 3 or so years after you've run this hard 3hrs at a time in a large professional layout every weekend for the public we will see how that paragon crap stands up. If this is still running ill be surprised. my mth is still going strong. my bli engines drop like flies. Ill be passing on the bli daylight. already have one that works great.
$600 for a locomotive. That will put me right out of the hobby. Great looking model, but more disposable income than I’ll ever have. Good luck y’all!
Yep, price wise these are the cream of the crop! There is a lot of good second hand stuff out there, that’s how I can afford this hobby.
Man this hobby has gotten completely out of control in terms of prices.
Never pay MSRP for a new locomotive. You can always wait a bit and find better prices at wholesalers or on BLI's own refurb outlet store. I recently got Paragon4 PRR E6 Atlantic for 300$ (MSRP of $600, so basically half-off) from their outlet store. If I want to I could sell it in a year or two for much more than I paid for it.
@@nickmangona48 Prices on high end models have always been expensive even back in the "good ol' days". Your government destroyed your purchasing power by inflating the currency. Adjusted for inflation these cost as much as the old brass trains that were the best you could get but now these have better quality control and ready to run out of the box versus the tinkering you have to do with brass so overall are a better value for what you get. You can always find Bachmann models for a fraction of the price.
You can find it cheaper. I got the BNSF version from an online train store for $512 including shipping!
Nice trains James. I do got a small letter 4449 version and it was so awesome train. I do have some of my ho sp daylight passengers are 8 athearn passenger cars and 1 walther passenger car was combine car for my train I could pull.
Here's my short video of my southern pacific 4449 small letter version with 9 passenger cars on the layout. (ruclips.net/user/shortsUAEt32Q8aUs)
I order more athearn ho sp daylight cars because I could add more consist.
Very nice video review 4449 locomotives and they are beautiful.
The self-confidence to hold a 600$+ with one hand and trying to remove some small Plastik parts….
"Promo SM" 😈
New tooling - shmooling ... still doesn't compare with the late MTH models. there's a cheapness about it. also, always the same lousy smoke system... and all for the mere price of $700 !
The MTH colors are a bit pale compared to BLI in my opinion.