The violence question I boil down to this: There is a difference between a Harmless man, and a Peaceful one. The harmless man cannot defend himself, the peaceful man chooses not to engage in violence yet can defend themself and those they love when needed. They still possess the ability for strength. The former does not. The harmless man will always look to others to protect them. Whatever is going on in Elbaf, is making them harmless, not peaceful.
I think there are connections to freedom here. The freest man is the strongest man. Whether his freedom is used for good or not aside, strength is important. Violence is not, though, and war is less about strength and more about violence.
I think the catalyst of luffy releasing loki is that stabs and his friend are raising hell and the giants aren't doing anything, so he releases a giant that will fight.
Im thinking Elbaf was way more violent than we could ever imagine and Loki somehow prevented it from getting worse. Dorey and Brogey were ready to kill each other over a simple dispute. Its worth betting that the people of Elbaf were killing each other for basically no reason. Harold might have wanted to get rid of violence completely while Loki saw the need for it.
I think the same It was too much, then they turned 180 and Loki knew about all these prophecies and knew he would need warriors to fulfill them So he killed the king to get elbaf back on track
What if Loki just wanted a balance, but Harold caved in to the WG's "education" and requests for trade? Like, ok cool it's nice to broaden your horizons and become educated but never take away our ability to protect ourselves.
I never leave comments but just wanted to say the way you make connections and relate things together is amazing. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's simply high level discussion. That entire first part about Buddhism, Luffy and how he views weak people like damn bro, nice point!
I think the present condition of Elbaph is ideal for Usopp's own character growth. The people he Idolizes for so long are being reduced to cowards, a mirror of how Usopp sees himself. The world is on the brink of World War, the books of Ohara will be under threat of destruction if the World Government attacks. The People of Elbaph CANNOT AFFORD TO BE PACIFIST right now. Between Luffy, Usopp, and Robin, they have to stir Elbaph to fight to protect what's important. Luffy releasing Loki, Robin protecting The knowledge of Ohara saved by the Giants, and Usopp reigniting the warrior spirit in Elbaph's youth is where I see the arc going
RE: Usopp is makes sense. In a lot of myths it is the smallest, weakest, most humble of creatures that are responsible for saving the world. A man without much haki and with no devil fruit on an Island of giants that literally invented war... Hmmmmmmm...
There is a time to tear apart and a time to sew together There is a time to be Silent and a time to speak There is a time to love and a time to hate There is a time for war and a time for peace (From Ecclesiastee 3:7-8 but Buddhism also has its philosophy about balance in all things) In some situations people only understand a punch to the face(just ask Jonny Somali)
I think Loki might come at it with the idea that both the old and new ways are wrong because, they’re forcing a separation between scholars and warriors. Similar to the quote “A nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its laws made by cowards and its wars fought by fools”, this might be why people think he killed his dad since he might have disagreed with how he was going about changing Elbaph.
100% saw pacifist Elbaph coming lol I mentioned it before too. There had to be a reason why Shanks looks over Elbaph since it was flagged that Shanks only looks over weak countries and pirate groups.
I got the hint when the GIANT Kids were triggered by the words "brat" etc. these kids and elbaf as a whole are complacent. In fact King Harold might be a WG Simp and Loki killing him might be good.
What does the Government hate the most? A strong race that protects the weak. Why? It's because this represents an ideological threat. The Celestials believe their strength gives them the right to oppress others, and Kuma's Bible likely has a different take. I would bet anything his Bible bids the strong to protect the weak.
The fact that the Holy Knights could teleport into the throne room might suggest that the WG is either capable of teleporting anyone anywhere, OR that they can only teleport to where their agents have already been And if it's the latter, which is more likely, then Harold (or a previous king) had already been in deep deep contact with the WG Making the giants pacifists would help the WG out a lot with taking them over with minimal casualties
I've heard of people living for years with a bullet, or something even larger, stuck in their heads. It looks like the giant is seeing this as a point of pride. He may have been stabbed in the head, but he won the fight and lived to tell about it. Not only that, but he's the oldest of the giants!
Is Elbaf where we get the famous eye patch pirate? I wonder if this means were gonna see more warriors that suffered loss of limb and function? Can't help but remember Dorry and Broggy wheezing and huffing as they helped with the retreat from Egghead....
Shanks relationship with this Arc is no coincidence I, as also does the majority of readers I think, really like Colon and his attitude However Shanks told him, aswell as kid Luffy, that fighting is not a game Shanks doesnt do violence unless he needs to, and thats too related to the themes of this arc We are definitely gonna meet Shanks in elbaph
Exactly. The giants used to treat fighting like a fun game. But, they're now using pacifist like a book you follow word-for-word that their fighting against the WG might be weakened. Shanks is balanced.
One of the earliest character growth moment for Luffy is when Vivi disciplines him by showing him violence was not the answer to help Nami in Drum Island. Later on in Alabasta, when Vivi wasn't willing to put lives on the line and resolve everything, and just try to do it peacefully, Luffy gave her a wake up call.
Violence as a political tool has been moralized to render the subjugated isolate and weak . You wouldn’t look at a hammer and ask if it’s morally wrong to hit a nail. Why should subjugated people ask if it’s morally wrong to commit violence towards their oppressors?
Unironic Übermensch! But the real reason why the question should be asked, is because somewhere along the way we might lose our humanity in our pursuit of *absolute justice.*
I think Luffy’s reaction to Momo being such a crybaby was more about teaching him how to be a leader. Luffy never hated him, and the way he treats him is more like an older brother who knows his younger sibling is holding themselves back. When it came down to it Luffy 100% believed Momo would come through and back him up. Momo was being babied by the Scabbards and everyone else while Luffy recognized Momo as a leader and a man and told him to act as such. And you can interpret that differently, that’s the best part about all anime and art, we can all take very different and still useful lessons from it.
Violence is always AN answer. But never THE BEST answer. But the best answer is not always available. So sometimes any answer is good enough But nooooo. Child abuse like garp did is bad! That's not even violence between people who choose willingly the language of violence. That's more domination and submission.... Violence between someone obviously and naturally weak and helpless (a child) and someone who abuses this circumstance.... THIS IS always wrong!
Remember that Lilith is still Vegapunk, and literally has encyclopedic knowledge on countless topics in her head, one of which is confirmed to be newer and older versions of the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia. If anything, Lilith might be the only one who recognizes the ability, since not even Saul seems to know much about the owl.
I’m defiantly all in on Stabs having Killed the king trying to get the fruit, then Lost it to Loki, who caught them or got to the fruit first by mistake. This is Shanks brother losing the fruit he just stole by mistake. Just like his brother, only the classic Oda inversion is: he wasn’t ok with this. Which is why he is trying to get it back. This also explains why Loki thinks shanks is a coward since he ran away after killing the king (less all in on this part) Morj did a vid about this but I was already thinking it, but he did a amazing job giving logic for it so got to give him cred
It would be a hilarious flip of the script if Luffy, because he was let down by Elbaph, is written to go on a bit of a villain stint in the eyes of the Giants. Where, through either being discovered to be helping Loki, or his disdain for all of Elbaph being peaceful boils over somehow, he becomes a bit of "the big bad" that the locals must face in order to idk, show Luffy (their god, like you point out) that they are in fact, them. In a way, the giants have to fight "an emperor" to make sure that emperor doesn't "take over their land." There are several mini arcs Luffy's current disdain could go and I'm super excited for all of them.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin Elbaf has given up their violent ways entirely and will soon see their Liberties and Safety taken away by the WG There's a reason why we have a right to Self Defense and the Defense of Others
I feel like there are so many layers this chapter. I'm hyped for the sheer possibility of what we have coming! Oda got me salivating for this cook. JB just hyping me up for the meal!
Loved this one. Super super excited for the themes this arc seems to be tackling and i LOVE the idea that the first few chapters are the giveaway, it makes so much sense. I want everything in this video to be true
Only thing I don't love about the themes is the same reason you were hesitant about this video. I could imagine certain audiences being turned off by some of it and that would just be super unfortunate
I'm glad you don't just one side everything like most the other one piece channels. The kaido and garp slander from some of those bug the shit out of me. I was raised by a disappointed dad who routinely threw me to the wolves and I absolutely love him for that. Most teens now days can't hunt, fish, or cook on their own but I was doing that stuff at 8, by the age of eleven I was doing solo overnight hikes through the south Dakota pine ridge in winter. I learned more through not having than most do with everything being handed to them. That said my son is like the kids of elbaph as he has always had someone right there to help and do because that shit was super rough on me growing up and it took me most my life before I switched to loving my father for making me strong instead of being bitter that he constantly threw me to the wolves.
The old king destroyed elbaf. He was working with the holy knights trying to get elbaf into the W.G. A peaceful giant civilization is exactly what imu wants Loki and liffy are gonna be the reason why the warrior sprite is reignited in the gaints just in time for a war against the WG
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter: 1. Judging by how Colon was viewed by his fellow giants, I am curious if Luffy will eventually have his Shanks moment where he shows the kid the same lesson his fellow Emperor taught him at the very beginning? 2. When reading about the hooded woman's interest in finding Loki, I now wonder if this may confirm Mrmorj's theory on what really happened to King Harald & how his son was involved in all of this in the 1st place.
You're assuming Colon is the problem in the arc. The other children of Elbaph are ill prepared for the world War about to come, having the knowledge of Ohara on their soil puts a huge target on their backs. They can't afford to be Pacifists at this time. Maybe there were some bad things about the old Warrior culture, but they went too far in the other direction. They need to be strong to defend against those who want to destroy the truth of the world. The Strawhats will be reigniting the Warrior Spirit of Elbaph for the next generation, but more focused on doing it to protect and not meaningless violence.
Great, rich, and profound analysis as always JB. Just a point. Elbaph it´s not simply pacifist or pacified... It´s in fact, divided. On one hand, we have always known there are giants that are not at least.. merely warriors, by Jaguar D. Soul... on the other, we just saw Jarul or whatever with that sword through his head... Loki aledgely killing his father... Dorry, Broggy, and entire pirates crews... come on, they are still warriors. So, its just a faccion, and the childrens... That, in fact, it´s a lot more interesting, than all being warriors, or all being pacifist. Im sure you agree :)
I think the lady god knight may have the Obi-Obi no mi the Sash devil fruit or the bandage devil fruit or is a variant of the paper skill from CP9's form of martial arts
The Giants have given up Looting and Pillaging other Countries for Trading with other Countries(Like Iceland) You can still have a Warrior Culture without Looting and Pillaging
i don't know why this non-violent topic is being do discussed, the children wouldn't fight anyway, all adults are still warriors, this will not be relevant for the conflict
You might be on to something here, because the old giant says "my helmet saved me!" about it, which makes me wonder about if the sword somehow got fused into his helmet during whatever battle that happened in? I don't know how recently something like that could have happened, either, though...
”How does Lilith know?” Lilith is Vegapunk. Vegapunk literally wrote the Devil fruit encyclopedia? Lilith can easily make an educated guess. But to be fair ya hey the owl could just have something that merely seems like a Devil fruit.
Loved the argument about aggression and the pointing to the buddhist teachings on fear. I heavily agree. Confidence is also built on aggression. Psychologically speaking aggression is to act in advance. Suggesting to go to the lake with a group of friends, confessing feelings etc. all of those are "acts of aggression". Buried aggression boils and erupts and in our societies we have only few examples of humans who actually implement their natural aggression in an emotionally mature way. If more ppl were like that our current hierarchies could simply not exist. Competence checks are hat healthy ppl do and if you want to lead you need to pass said competence checks.
Finally, someone else is having the same thoughts as me for Drum Kingdom; whether they be felled Adam trees, or perhaps another special tree, gotta be some significance for that shape and how many there were Only other thing that makes sense to me would be dormant volcanoes and a prior source of pyrobloin
Epic shot from your artist for this chapter... I say hold off on any theory making until we get the official Japanese pages, and English translations from there. French is my second language but despite being able to read, speak and understand it, that doesn't mean other people are as able to accurately translate French idioms and pop culture touchstones, by finding equivalents in other languages.
There is actually a phrase describing what you’re talking about at the start of the vid. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Western world is currently at the “weak men” stage, if you ask me. A lot of people would scoff at this, but the reality is, we literally see the problem with this literally unfolding right before our eyes in the story. You can’t be a pacifist if everyone around you wants to attack you. Even in the real world, we currently can see examples of people who must defends themselves in wars.
My man, this trope you share here in this comment is historically inaccurate. Fruitful times create fulfilled people, desolate times create desolate people. Hardship does not and has never bred strength. It is a myth. Similarly, strength has never given way to “good times.” This mystical thinking is not rooted in any material reality, nor is it backed by any reputable sociological study.
@dradennewberry3290 lol just look at the pearl clutching. Dude do you need a sociological study to know that when you feel like you need to poop, then you're gonna poop soon too? What are you even talking about "not backed by a sociological study" LOL. Look up the replication crisis, sociology is a dead science and the vast majority is BS anyway. What the commenter said is true and you're just mad that it is for some reason. If you want an example look st boot camp in the military, they create hard times for the men so that stronger better men come out of it. The idea that guy is bringing up is as obviously true as apple pie and baseball are American.
18:15 Its an interesting point you are bringing up. Because this reminds me of Vivi on Drum Island when she corrected Luffy and made him cowtow. And since Vivi was just brought back up in a major way by the story twice now. Perhaps you're really pulling on the true narrative thread here? Luffy does still have growing to do. He isn't King of the Pirates and he just reached a new level of status in the world. But he hasn't really changed or shown much indication that he understands this new.... Duty? Burden? Maybe we really haven't seen Luffy emulating the responsibility of being an Emporor? Perhaps this is why he did that really goofy Yakuza meme. Because Luffy hasn't grown in the way the world is going to need him to have done? Its always been he can just punch a bad guy in the face, but this might be the first time he encounters a problem that isn't about removing a tyrant from power?
With the connection between Elbaph/pacifism/Little Garden, I feel like the theme of Elbaph could be "Samurai in a Garden" The upcoming arc could show the Giants that balance is needed between strength and compassion. The guy with the Kasa in Elbaph, could be the Samurai in the Garden, Roronoa Arashi
Yes. Force is the ultimate authority from which all authority is derived. The State's monopoly on force is presumably moral and just.... Until it isn't.
I think Colon's dad is Millet Pine the Roger Pirate with a broken horned helmet who became an expat on Elbaph after the Roger Pirates disbanded or that Millet Pine is Mosa the shaggy guy mentioned last chapter
This is also reminding me of the Stormlight Archives, where the Shin view the ones who subtract as something bad, but then need them for the protection of their lands.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." Hard times are coming to Elbaph.
This is the perfect time for Usopp to step up. The people he idolized are reduced to cowards. When trouble comes and the young giants cower before the enemy I think this will cause Usopp to snap.
How about a yokai/urban legend based power for the new holy knight girl? I think that if gorosei have them and the fake Shanks and the badage girl both used their summoning circles they are most likely holy knights and it would make sense for them to also have some japanese myths/urban legends powers. The only ones that come to my mind for me are Kuchiske-Onna(Slit-Mouthed Woman) and Hanako which is a japanese ghost who is connected to bandages. I am really curious about your opinion.
Loki, if you can imagine, is not that super strong. The people of Elbaph became so weak because of king Herald, that it took the entire island to stop Loki from rampaging. Dorry and Broggy could’ve easily quelled Loki had they been on the island. Heck, even gear 3 Luffy one shotted Hajrudin, the king’s son. That’s how weak the giants had become.
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I would rather be a warrior in a garden. Than to be a gardiner in a war. You may not want to fight or hurt others that is a good thing, but sometimes you need to fight and be prepared to fight.
Oda REFUSES to do what we expect lol. He even made that comment about how he tried to avoid going to Elbaf. When he decided it was unavoidable he was like, "alright fine, but I won't do it the way you expect!!"
Coming to this video cracking open a conversation about the social contract and giving our right to violence over to the state right after watching a stream talking about the healthcare assassination makes it hard to resist making a 'Luffy Mangione' joke.
When you said Elbaf has been at war for hundreds of years i thought 8 hundred years..? Hmmm what if Loki/the old ways wish to keep Elbaf an isolated Warrior Island, worshipping Nika/Joyboy and maintaining a warrior culture for his return and to keep the World Government away. What if the reason there were always wars is because there were a group of King Harold/New age ways giants that wanted to open up Elbaf to the world and the World Government. Whether it was intentionally working with Imu or if they were just naive it would've changed how the giants and island of Elbaf is in our current story. What if it turns out Loki is one of the last warriors trying to keep Elbaf closed and be 100% faithful to the Sun God. Reminds me of the Shandians vs Sky people. Loki claims Sun God because he believes he's the only true follower of the Sun God. Loki finds out Luffy is the real one, reveals he's been defending his honour/wishes and aye powerful ally.
Wow I love how Oda writes (interesting thought)💭 Luffy’s first interaction in Elbaf is Loki (&Roda but real Elbaf) Which fits all our expectations of the land of Warriors, Which of course Luffy is kind to (after growing in a place like grey terminal too) he already expects this behavior in Elbaf (also we missed Loki & Luffy full convo which leaves massive room for how luffy was so ready to find the key ). Fast forward ⏩ Luffy hates these kids for not holding up to our standards,Now of course Luffy has always been quick to react and hates anything that’s not “cool” I may even say “superrrrr!!!! Enough for his high ass testosterone level but it feels a smidge more amped up. 1. I could see Loki and Luffy could’ve made a bet that based on how Elbaph represented Luffy would want to get the Key off so much just so Elbaf(see what I did there) could be exactly He pictured this hold time. 2. Oda is a God for setting up a mass war like situation with the man off the coast(Ripples baby daddy), Gods Knight just showing the f**k up, Luffy and company (cuz they gonna fight), maybe Shanks , Big mom might stroll up, we’ve been seeing some Kaido and Yamato horned kids, and with all this chaos why the hell not have BlackBeard show up(of course Buggy would be jealous if he found out Shanks and Blackbeard throwing hand ✋🏽 vs hands 🙌🏽 (which could happen when/ “because” Loki is released) 3.can’t throw the idea out but it’s room that Loki’s devil fruit could make luffy feel his emotions a tad stronger(I mean we’re on Elbaf) and like I said Luffy’s testosterone level is already through the damn roof
I whole heartedly agree with the concept of violnence is never the answer, for how can one answer a question with that same question? Simply put, when humans are involved, violence is not the answer, it is the question, and the answer is yes.
This can be a big plot of the underworld and in turn the WG to make Elbaph weak. They somehow teamed up with Harold they decided to bring down the greatest warriors of all times. Loki must have known this and tried to go against this and eventually was chained to the tree
Still don't think crocus has any plans on looking for who Roger was waiting for. Or how many say it "he's stationed at the entrance to the grandline for some leading purpose" Crocus was there long before joining Roger. He is doing the same thing as before except now he judges pirates that come through a different lens. Don't think he hangs out in laboon all that often seeing all the cover stories he's never inside laboon it was only the case when trying to heal and keep laboon from hurting himself
I like that you give your opinion honestly Joyboy. I just wanted to say that since egghead Oda has been kinda telling that good and bad are concepts that not even vegapunk understands haha Zoro is a murderer for example, is he a righteous one? doeas that question even makes sense?
Over the years of reading one piece and often consuming other random content that constantly remind me of one piece like for instance it was mentioned that Luffy would be from South America so while watching a video about ancient Aztecs they often referred to their ruling ages as first sun second sun all they way up to the 5th sun or south American culture of planting fruit bearing trees for their loved ones when they die remind me of devil fruits or elden ring lore about the erd trees metaphorical meaning paired with the greater will and how it manifest itself in the lands between I think parallel devil fruits having a will and also the voice of all things because the first thing I thought of when hearing there are more than one Adam tree was minor erd trees and also the one piece world is set up in a way that allows the Adam tree to grow like a mangrove... Sorry for the long all over the place rant but one piece constantly has me referring back to it to gain some "deeper" understanding 😂
Luffy is not thoughtless. He doesn't listen to excuses. He didn't listen to Nojiko's excuses for Nami hating pirates, just like he didn't listen to Jinbe's excuses for Arlong hating humans. The fishmen are strong, but the way they have used their strength has created problems with humans. Why are the Buccaneers, who are also strong, so hated by the WG, and why must their free will be removed, while fishmen can be Warlords as long as they tow the line? IMO, it's because the Buccaneers used their strength to protect the weak. Their Bibles, their churches, Kuma's own selflessness all allude to this. The reason the Buccaneers were so dangerous to the Celestials is because the Celestials likely believe that their strength gives them a right to rule over others. The Buccaneers thus represent an ideological threat to their rule. Something far more dangerous than strength by itself. The Giants and the fishmen are on opposite ends of the scale. The Giants are also strong, but they abhor all violence, and have no consideration for how it can be used for good. But depite their differences, they both have one thing in common. They can't protect the weak as they are now. They need a culture which bids the strong to protect the weak. They need the Bible.
The phrase "Ripley's believe it or not" makes total sense here lol Did we just find out the fruit that made the Giant Straw hat I love the Elbaph drip for the Strawhats Loki gonna be the Arc princess now 😂 The God Knights will seemingly be the antagonists of this arc and not Loki I think
Children who have never known war and children who have never known peace have different values.
- Doflamingo, 20xx
Yes
It’s a Cold World.
The violence question I boil down to this:
There is a difference between a Harmless man, and a Peaceful one.
The harmless man cannot defend himself, the peaceful man chooses not to engage in violence yet can defend themself and those they love when needed. They still possess the ability for strength.
The former does not. The harmless man will always look to others to protect them.
Whatever is going on in Elbaf, is making them harmless, not peaceful.
I suspect this will be the main theme of the arc. We'll see
there is also a difference between a trained man and an untrained one. Mainly in a Haki-based world.
I think there are connections to freedom here. The freest man is the strongest man. Whether his freedom is used for good or not aside, strength is important. Violence is not, though, and war is less about strength and more about violence.
Absolutely! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👌👌 Effeminized, docile, and pacified.
Better to be a warrior in the garden. Than a gardener in a war.
I think the catalyst of luffy releasing loki is that stabs and his friend are raising hell and the giants aren't doing anything, so he releases a giant that will fight.
Holy shit
Yes man yes
Loki is their Hulk/Godzilla button.
Hmmm, Show that Peace and Progressive Liberal Ideals don’t create Secure Countries
"you are the group that made the Giants pacifists?" Luffy might have to give such a beatdown the WG never looks at Elbaf again"
Im thinking Elbaf was way more violent than we could ever imagine and Loki somehow prevented it from getting worse. Dorey and Brogey were ready to kill each other over a simple dispute. Its worth betting that the people of Elbaf were killing each other for basically no reason. Harold might have wanted to get rid of violence completely while Loki saw the need for it.
Lmao don’t think too much … this is a kids story … turn off your brain reading it
@@deepshaw1 If you were using your brain more often, you would have noticed that One Piece is drippling with social commentary.
@@deepshaw1What are you even here for then?
I think the same
It was too much, then they turned 180 and Loki knew about all these prophecies and knew he would need warriors to fulfill them
So he killed the king to get elbaf back on track
What if Loki just wanted a balance, but Harold caved in to the WG's "education" and requests for trade? Like, ok cool it's nice to broaden your horizons and become educated but never take away our ability to protect ourselves.
I never leave comments but just wanted to say the way you make connections and relate things together is amazing. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's simply high level discussion. That entire first part about Buddhism, Luffy and how he views weak people like damn bro, nice point!
Luffy and Usopp are gonna start wearin M.E.G.A. Hats soon
Make elbaf based again
they might be dump, but not bad people
@@saulopache as a marine, I see all pirates as dumb and bad so it’s well within their character
I mean, Elbaf is literally under threat by the globalists
😂😂 I'm hear for it
I think the present condition of Elbaph is ideal for Usopp's own character growth. The people he Idolizes for so long are being reduced to cowards, a mirror of how Usopp sees himself.
The world is on the brink of World War, the books of Ohara will be under threat of destruction if the World Government attacks. The People of Elbaph CANNOT AFFORD TO BE PACIFIST right now. Between Luffy, Usopp, and Robin, they have to stir Elbaph to fight to protect what's important. Luffy releasing Loki, Robin protecting The knowledge of Ohara saved by the Giants, and Usopp reigniting the warrior spirit in Elbaph's youth is where I see the arc going
hoo boy “cowards”
I really like the Ussop connection, I hadn’t thought of that
RE: Usopp is makes sense.
In a lot of myths it is the smallest, weakest, most humble of creatures that are responsible for saving the world. A man without much haki and with no devil fruit on an Island of giants that literally invented war... Hmmmmmmm...
sums it up perfectly! I got the same feeling
Yes you are correct human. Like Zaraki Kenpachi said if violence is not solving all your problems then clearly you're not using enough of it.😂
There is a time to tear apart and a time to sew together
There is a time to be Silent and a time to speak
There is a time to love and a time to hate
There is a time for war and a time for peace
(From Ecclesiastee 3:7-8 but Buddhism also has its philosophy about balance in all things)
In some situations people only understand a punch to the face(just ask Jonny Somali)
@FrarmerFrank Everyone hasss a plan until they get punched in the fasssse -- Mike Tyson
At first if you don't succeed with a sledge hammer. Get a bigger sledge hammer.
Loki was locked up for being too based. ☝️🤓
Lol
💯
Which is the reason, that now, that evil-shanks know that luffy is near to Loki, he have to take out Loki for good. 👍
I think Loki might come at it with the idea that both the old and new ways are wrong because, they’re forcing a separation between scholars and warriors. Similar to the quote “A nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its laws made by cowards and its wars fought by fools”, this might be why people think he killed his dad since he might have disagreed with how he was going about changing Elbaph.
100% saw pacifist Elbaph coming lol I mentioned it before too. There had to be a reason why Shanks looks over Elbaph since it was flagged that Shanks only looks over weak countries and pirate groups.
I got the hint when the GIANT Kids were triggered by the words "brat" etc. these kids and elbaf as a whole are complacent. In fact King Harold might be a WG Simp and Loki killing him might be good.
So whether Loki killed his father or not he actually might've saved Elbaph from being taken over by the world government sooner
What does the Government hate the most? A strong race that protects the weak. Why? It's because this represents an ideological threat. The Celestials believe their strength gives them the right to oppress others, and Kuma's Bible likely has a different take. I would bet anything his Bible bids the strong to protect the weak.
The fact that the Holy Knights could teleport into the throne room might suggest that the WG is either capable of teleporting anyone anywhere, OR that they can only teleport to where their agents have already been
And if it's the latter, which is more likely, then Harold (or a previous king) had already been in deep deep contact with the WG
Making the giants pacifists would help the WG out a lot with taking them over with minimal casualties
No kidding
I've heard of people living for years with a bullet, or something even larger, stuck in their heads. It looks like the giant is seeing this as a point of pride. He may have been stabbed in the head, but he won the fight and lived to tell about it. Not only that, but he's the oldest of the giants!
Is Elbaf where we get the famous eye patch pirate? I wonder if this means were gonna see more warriors that suffered loss of limb and function?
Can't help but remember Dorry and Broggy wheezing and huffing as they helped with the retreat from Egghead....
I have a cousin who has a bullet lodge in her head. she can tell when it's gonna rain or when the weather will be bad no bullshit
@@KayDSavage-dy6of Cool!
Shanks relationship with this Arc is no coincidence
I, as also does the majority of readers I think, really like Colon and his attitude
However Shanks told him, aswell as kid Luffy, that fighting is not a game
Shanks doesnt do violence unless he needs to, and thats too related to the themes of this arc
We are definitely gonna meet Shanks in elbaph
Exactly. The giants used to treat fighting like a fun game. But, they're now using pacifist like a book you follow word-for-word that their fighting against the WG might be weakened. Shanks is balanced.
Bro always speaks his real mind. Respect +++
Existíential
One of the earliest character growth moment for Luffy is when Vivi disciplines him by showing him violence was not the answer to help Nami in Drum Island. Later on in Alabasta, when Vivi wasn't willing to put lives on the line and resolve everything, and just try to do it peacefully, Luffy gave her a wake up call.
Dorry and Broggy fought over honor, to them it’s a principled stance.
The dinosaurs were never important.
Violence as a political tool has been moralized to render the subjugated isolate and weak . You wouldn’t look at a hammer and ask if it’s morally wrong to hit a nail. Why should subjugated people ask if it’s morally wrong to commit violence towards their oppressors?
Unironic Übermensch!
But the real reason why the question should be asked, is because somewhere along the way we might lose our humanity in our pursuit of *absolute justice.*
I think Luffy’s reaction to Momo being such a crybaby was more about teaching him how to be a leader. Luffy never hated him, and the way he treats him is more like an older brother who knows his younger sibling is holding themselves back.
When it came down to it Luffy 100% believed Momo would come through and back him up. Momo was being babied by the Scabbards and everyone else while Luffy recognized Momo as a leader and a man and told him to act as such.
And you can interpret that differently, that’s the best part about all anime and art, we can all take very different and still useful lessons from it.
100 year 1v1 would drive me insane
Violence is always AN answer. But never THE BEST answer. But the best answer is not always available. So sometimes any answer is good enough
But nooooo. Child abuse like garp did is bad! That's not even violence between people who choose willingly the language of violence. That's more domination and submission....
Violence between someone obviously and naturally weak and helpless (a child) and someone who abuses this circumstance....
THIS IS always wrong!
Chili cheese fries and a JoyBoy review... What a great evening!!
Your theories are amazing. It really feels like you have direct access to Oda's personal notes. Please continue cooking.
Remember that Lilith is still Vegapunk, and literally has encyclopedic knowledge on countless topics in her head, one of which is confirmed to be newer and older versions of the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia.
If anything, Lilith might be the only one who recognizes the ability, since not even Saul seems to know much about the owl.
One ur best videos this year.... Keee up bro happy new year btw🎉🎉🎉
I’m defiantly all in on Stabs having Killed the king trying to get the fruit, then Lost it to Loki, who caught them or got to the fruit first by mistake. This is Shanks brother losing the fruit he just stole by mistake. Just like his brother, only the classic Oda inversion is: he wasn’t ok with this. Which is why he is trying to get it back. This also explains why Loki thinks shanks is a coward since he ran away after killing the king (less all in on this part) Morj did a vid about this but I was already thinking it, but he did a amazing job giving logic for it so got to give him cred
One of your best videos, happy new year bro
It would be a hilarious flip of the script if Luffy, because he was let down by Elbaph, is written to go on a bit of a villain stint in the eyes of the Giants. Where, through either being discovered to be helping Loki, or his disdain for all of Elbaph being peaceful boils over somehow, he becomes a bit of "the big bad" that the locals must face in order to idk, show Luffy (their god, like you point out) that they are in fact, them. In a way, the giants have to fight "an emperor" to make sure that emperor doesn't "take over their land."
There are several mini arcs Luffy's current disdain could go and I'm super excited for all of them.
I've seen speculation that the tree of knowledge on Ohara and the whale tree on Zou could be Adam trees
been following you for a long time, you truly deserve more attention from the algorithme. Awesome video ad always.
Courage is not the lack of fear but the will to fight in spite of it
Loki is clearly framed, how, that remains to be seen
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
Elbaf has given up their violent ways entirely and will soon see their Liberties and Safety taken away by the WG
There's a reason why we have a right to Self Defense and the Defense of Others
The art was amazing on this Luffy pic
I feel like there are so many layers this chapter. I'm hyped for the sheer possibility of what we have coming! Oda got me salivating for this cook. JB just hyping me up for the meal!
Loved this one. Super super excited for the themes this arc seems to be tackling and i LOVE the idea that the first few chapters are the giveaway, it makes so much sense. I want everything in this video to be true
Only thing I don't love about the themes is the same reason you were hesitant about this video. I could imagine certain audiences being turned off by some of it and that would just be super unfortunate
I feel like the world gov somehow started this pacifism and blackmailed Loki.
I'm glad you don't just one side everything like most the other one piece channels. The kaido and garp slander from some of those bug the shit out of me. I was raised by a disappointed dad who routinely threw me to the wolves and I absolutely love him for that. Most teens now days can't hunt, fish, or cook on their own but I was doing that stuff at 8, by the age of eleven I was doing solo overnight hikes through the south Dakota pine ridge in winter. I learned more through not having than most do with everything being handed to them. That said my son is like the kids of elbaph as he has always had someone right there to help and do because that shit was super rough on me growing up and it took me most my life before I switched to loving my father for making me strong instead of being bitter that he constantly threw me to the wolves.
The old king destroyed elbaf. He was working with the holy knights trying to get elbaf into the W.G.
A peaceful giant civilization is exactly what imu wants
Loki and liffy are gonna be the reason why the warrior sprite is reignited in the gaints just in time for a war against the WG
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter:
1. Judging by how Colon was viewed by his fellow giants, I am curious if Luffy will eventually have his Shanks moment where he shows the kid the same lesson his fellow Emperor taught him at the very beginning?
2. When reading about the hooded woman's interest in finding Loki, I now wonder if this may confirm Mrmorj's theory on what really happened to King Harald & how his son was involved in all of this in the 1st place.
You're assuming Colon is the problem in the arc. The other children of Elbaph are ill prepared for the world War about to come, having the knowledge of Ohara on their soil puts a huge target on their backs. They can't afford to be Pacifists at this time. Maybe there were some bad things about the old Warrior culture, but they went too far in the other direction. They need to be strong to defend against those who want to destroy the truth of the world. The Strawhats will be reigniting the Warrior Spirit of Elbaph for the next generation, but more focused on doing it to protect and not meaningless violence.
@ReiseLukas ok, maybe I should have been clearer on that statement, but I can see the event inspiring Elbaph to reinstate a self defense course.
Considering how Vicki the Viking's dad wore an eyepatch I think Colon's dad too will wear an eyepatch
We finally get to see that silhouette?!
If the WG could send assassins to Elbaf this whole time, why wait until now to do so?
You just know all hell's going to break out, and the Giants are going to have to step up. It's going to be glorious.
That’s the longest I’ve heard someone say “I want to see some cool f**king fights” 😂😂😂
Great, rich, and profound analysis as always JB. Just a point. Elbaph it´s not simply pacifist or pacified... It´s in fact, divided. On one hand, we have always known there are giants that are not at least.. merely warriors, by Jaguar D. Soul... on the other, we just saw Jarul or whatever with that sword through his head... Loki aledgely killing his father... Dorry, Broggy, and entire pirates crews... come on, they are still warriors. So, its just a faccion, and the childrens... That, in fact, it´s a lot more interesting, than all being warriors, or all being pacifist. Im sure you agree :)
Kinda like the answer to bad speech isn't less speech, it's BETTER speech. The answer to bad violence isn't less violence, it's BETTER violence
I think the lady god knight may have the Obi-Obi no mi the Sash devil fruit or the bandage devil fruit or is a variant of the paper skill from CP9's form of martial arts
The Giants have given up Looting and Pillaging other Countries for Trading with other Countries(Like Iceland)
You can still have a Warrior Culture without Looting and Pillaging
Giants haven't been too active in the world since Mother Carmel, slowly being pacified ongoing decades now
i don't know why this non-violent topic is being do discussed, the children wouldn't fight anyway, all adults are still warriors, this will not be relevant for the conflict
What if the sword wrapped around his helmet and just looks like it’s going through lol
You might be on to something here, because the old giant says "my helmet saved me!" about it, which makes me wonder about if the sword somehow got fused into his helmet during whatever battle that happened in? I don't know how recently something like that could have happened, either, though...
”How does Lilith know?” Lilith is Vegapunk. Vegapunk literally wrote the Devil fruit encyclopedia? Lilith can easily make an educated guess. But to be fair ya hey the owl could just have something that merely seems like a Devil fruit.
There was an Adam Tree on Gran Tesoro in Film Gold👀
Loved the argument about aggression and the pointing to the buddhist teachings on fear.
I heavily agree.
Confidence is also built on aggression.
Psychologically speaking aggression is to act in advance.
Suggesting to go to the lake with a group of friends, confessing feelings etc.
all of those are "acts of aggression".
Buried aggression boils and erupts and in our societies we have only few examples of humans who actually implement their natural aggression in an emotionally mature way.
If more ppl were like that our current hierarchies could simply not exist.
Competence checks are hat healthy ppl do and if you want to lead you need to pass said competence checks.
Finally, someone else is having the same thoughts as me for Drum Kingdom; whether they be felled Adam trees, or perhaps another special tree, gotta be some significance for that shape and how many there were
Only other thing that makes sense to me would be dormant volcanoes and a prior source of pyrobloin
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JoyBoy starting this video off like a certain Mario Bros. 😂😂
“THE WOKE PIECE IS REAL”
Thank you always for great content~!
Epic shot from your artist for this chapter... I say hold off on any theory making until we get the official Japanese pages, and English translations from there. French is my second language but despite being able to read, speak and understand it, that doesn't mean other people are as able to accurately translate French idioms and pop culture touchstones, by finding equivalents in other languages.
There is actually a phrase describing what you’re talking about at the start of the vid. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Western world is currently at the “weak men” stage, if you ask me. A lot of people would scoff at this, but the reality is, we literally see the problem with this literally unfolding right before our eyes in the story. You can’t be a pacifist if everyone around you wants to attack you. Even in the real world, we currently can see examples of people who must defends themselves in wars.
God I hope the story don't go in this path, this is just stupid, this phrase is dumb, the only ones to believe in it are mediocre men
@@saulopacheahh, here it comes🙄
@@starover1cant blame him tho
My man, this trope you share here in this comment is historically inaccurate. Fruitful times create fulfilled people, desolate times create desolate people. Hardship does not and has never bred strength. It is a myth. Similarly, strength has never given way to “good times.” This mystical thinking is not rooted in any material reality, nor is it backed by any reputable sociological study.
@dradennewberry3290 lol just look at the pearl clutching. Dude do you need a sociological study to know that when you feel like you need to poop, then you're gonna poop soon too? What are you even talking about "not backed by a sociological study" LOL. Look up the replication crisis, sociology is a dead science and the vast majority is BS anyway. What the commenter said is true and you're just mad that it is for some reason. If you want an example look st boot camp in the military, they create hard times for the men so that stronger better men come out of it. The idea that guy is bringing up is as obviously true as apple pie and baseball are American.
Free Lui...Loki, he is getting framed
We need Mario to step up now as well.
**Mario breaks into prison**
"Wahoo mf !"
[The Sun] God helps those who helps themselves
18:15
Its an interesting point you are bringing up. Because this reminds me of Vivi on Drum Island when she corrected Luffy and made him cowtow. And since Vivi was just brought back up in a major way by the story twice now. Perhaps you're really pulling on the true narrative thread here?
Luffy does still have growing to do. He isn't King of the Pirates and he just reached a new level of status in the world. But he hasn't really changed or shown much indication that he understands this new.... Duty? Burden? Maybe we really haven't seen Luffy emulating the responsibility of being an Emporor?
Perhaps this is why he did that really goofy Yakuza meme. Because Luffy hasn't grown in the way the world is going to need him to have done? Its always been he can just punch a bad guy in the face, but this might be the first time he encounters a problem that isn't about removing a tyrant from power?
With the connection between Elbaph/pacifism/Little Garden, I feel like the theme of Elbaph could be "Samurai in a Garden"
The upcoming arc could show the Giants that balance is needed between strength and compassion.
The guy with the Kasa in Elbaph, could be the Samurai in the Garden, Roronoa Arashi
If you cant kill there is no virtue in not killing.
Yes. Force is the ultimate authority from which all authority is derived.
The State's monopoly on force is presumably moral and just.... Until it isn't.
Fear is the mindkiller 😃
Luffy even punched Princess Vivi at one point
Awesome references to Buddhism 😊 thx for the enlargement of my horizon.
Oda was like "Yeah, I don't really want to do Elbaf, but you know what..."
What if Colon dad is Yasopp?
Could Scopper be the Silhouette that we think is Shiki?
Did Roger leave Ace with Garp because of the D initial?
I think Colon's dad is Millet Pine the Roger Pirate with a broken horned helmet who became an expat on Elbaph after the Roger Pirates disbanded or that Millet Pine is Mosa the shaggy guy mentioned last chapter
shout out to the thumbnail artist
you can talk circles to me all day, baby
This is also reminding me of the Stormlight Archives, where the Shin view the ones who subtract as something bad, but then need them for the protection of their lands.
nice stormlight connection!!
Ragnarok is gonna create the great reset for Elbaph.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." Hard times are coming to Elbaph.
This is the perfect time for Usopp to step up. The people he idolized are reduced to cowards. When trouble comes and the young giants cower before the enemy I think this will cause Usopp to snap.
How about a yokai/urban legend based power for the new holy knight girl? I think that if gorosei have them and the fake Shanks and the badage girl both used their summoning circles they are most likely holy knights and it would make sense for them to also have some japanese myths/urban legends powers. The only ones that come to my mind for me are Kuchiske-Onna(Slit-Mouthed Woman) and Hanako which is a japanese ghost who is connected to bandages. I am really curious about your opinion.
Loki, if you can imagine, is not that super strong. The people of Elbaph became so weak because of king Herald, that it took the entire island to stop Loki from rampaging. Dorry and Broggy could’ve easily quelled Loki had they been on the island. Heck, even gear 3 Luffy one shotted Hajrudin, the king’s son. That’s how weak the giants had become.
Hajrudin was then punched into the stands by Ideo, Giants stonks plummeted that day. Marine Giants were flies to Whitebeard
Also, Bibll has the vibes of being a former JoyBoy’s comrades, since it has the same eyes as Zunesha
Thank you so much for this amazing video! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
"Don't think too much about it, don't think too much about it, don't think too much about it.....yeah, i thought too much about it"
Same....same 🤣🤣🤣
I would rather be a warrior in a garden. Than to be a gardiner in a war. You may not want to fight or hurt others that is a good thing, but sometimes you need to fight and be prepared to fight.
The last page reminds me the story of Phineas Gage, who got a pickaxe through his skull and survive.
"their God has arrived on their island and (Luffy) is disappointed in them" lmaooo 🤣
Oda REFUSES to do what we expect lol. He even made that comment about how he tried to avoid going to Elbaf. When he decided it was unavoidable he was like, "alright fine, but I won't do it the way you expect!!"
Coming to this video cracking open a conversation about the social contract and giving our right to violence over to the state right after watching a stream talking about the healthcare assassination makes it hard to resist making a 'Luffy Mangione' joke.
When you said Elbaf has been at war for hundreds of years i thought 8 hundred years..? Hmmm what if Loki/the old ways wish to keep Elbaf an isolated Warrior Island, worshipping Nika/Joyboy and maintaining a warrior culture for his return and to keep the World Government away. What if the reason there were always wars is because there were a group of King Harold/New age ways giants that wanted to open up Elbaf to the world and the World Government. Whether it was intentionally working with Imu or if they were just naive it would've changed how the giants and island of Elbaf is in our current story. What if it turns out Loki is one of the last warriors trying to keep Elbaf closed and be 100% faithful to the Sun God. Reminds me of the Shandians vs Sky people. Loki claims Sun God because he believes he's the only true follower of the Sun God. Loki finds out Luffy is the real one, reveals he's been defending his honour/wishes and aye powerful ally.
Wow I love how Oda writes (interesting thought)💭 Luffy’s first interaction in Elbaf is Loki (&Roda but real Elbaf) Which fits all our expectations of the land of Warriors, Which of course Luffy is kind to (after growing in a place like grey terminal too) he already expects this behavior in Elbaf (also we missed Loki & Luffy full convo which leaves massive room for how luffy was so ready to find the key ). Fast forward ⏩ Luffy hates these kids for not holding up to our standards,Now of course Luffy has always been quick to react and hates anything that’s not “cool” I may even say “superrrrr!!!! Enough for his high ass testosterone level but it feels a smidge more amped up.
1. I could see Loki and Luffy could’ve made a bet that based on how Elbaph represented Luffy would want to get the Key off so much just so Elbaf(see what I did there) could be exactly He pictured this hold time.
2. Oda is a God for setting up a mass war like situation with the man off the coast(Ripples baby daddy), Gods Knight just showing the f**k up, Luffy and company (cuz they gonna fight), maybe Shanks , Big mom might stroll up, we’ve been seeing some Kaido and Yamato horned kids, and with all this chaos why the hell not have BlackBeard show up(of course Buggy would be jealous if he found out Shanks and Blackbeard throwing hand ✋🏽 vs hands 🙌🏽 (which could happen when/ “because” Loki is released)
3.can’t throw the idea out but it’s room that Loki’s devil fruit could make luffy feel his emotions a tad stronger(I mean we’re on Elbaf) and like I said Luffy’s testosterone level is already through the damn roof
I whole heartedly agree with the concept of violnence is never the answer, for how can one answer a question with that same question? Simply put, when humans are involved, violence is not the answer, it is the question, and the answer is yes.
This can be a big plot of the underworld and in turn the WG to make Elbaph weak. They somehow teamed up with Harold they decided to bring down the greatest warriors of all times. Loki must have known this and tried to go against this and eventually was chained to the tree
Still don't think crocus has any plans on looking for who Roger was waiting for. Or how many say it "he's stationed at the entrance to the grandline for some leading purpose"
Crocus was there long before joining Roger. He is doing the same thing as before except now he judges pirates that come through a different lens. Don't think he hangs out in laboon all that often seeing all the cover stories he's never inside laboon it was only the case when trying to heal and keep laboon from hurting himself
I reckon Loki knows about the original World and when he says he wants to "Destroy the World" I think he means to return to its original form.
lmfao i love that big head tiny brain idea
Incredble video
I like that you give your opinion honestly Joyboy. I just wanted to say that since egghead Oda has been kinda telling that good and bad are concepts that not even vegapunk understands haha Zoro is a murderer for example, is he a righteous one? doeas that question even makes sense?
anyway this video is one of my favs
Over the years of reading one piece and often consuming other random content that constantly remind me of one piece like for instance it was mentioned that Luffy would be from South America so while watching a video about ancient Aztecs they often referred to their ruling ages as first sun second sun all they way up to the 5th sun or south American culture of planting fruit bearing trees for their loved ones when they die remind me of devil fruits or elden ring lore about the erd trees metaphorical meaning paired with the greater will and how it manifest itself in the lands between I think parallel devil fruits having a will and also the voice of all things because the first thing I thought of when hearing there are more than one Adam tree was minor erd trees and also the one piece world is set up in a way that allows the Adam tree to grow like a mangrove... Sorry for the long all over the place rant but one piece constantly has me referring back to it to gain some "deeper" understanding 😂
Ah am south american
Yes the indiaans did plant trees where their loved ones are burried
Come on man, I need to sleep. Well, seems like not anymore I’m not😂
Wasn't expecting Liberal Elbaph before GTA 6
Luffy is not thoughtless. He doesn't listen to excuses. He didn't listen to Nojiko's excuses for Nami hating pirates, just like he didn't listen to Jinbe's excuses for Arlong hating humans.
The fishmen are strong, but the way they have used their strength has created problems with humans. Why are the Buccaneers, who are also strong, so hated by the WG, and why must their free will be removed, while fishmen can be Warlords as long as they tow the line? IMO, it's because the Buccaneers used their strength to protect the weak. Their Bibles, their churches, Kuma's own selflessness all allude to this. The reason the Buccaneers were so dangerous to the Celestials is because the Celestials likely believe that their strength gives them a right to rule over others. The Buccaneers thus represent an ideological threat to their rule. Something far more dangerous than strength by itself.
The Giants and the fishmen are on opposite ends of the scale. The Giants are also strong, but they abhor all violence, and have no consideration for how it can be used for good. But depite their differences, they both have one thing in common. They can't protect the weak as they are now. They need a culture which bids the strong to protect the weak. They need the Bible.
The phrase "Ripley's believe it or not" makes total sense here lol
Did we just find out the fruit that made the Giant Straw hat
I love the Elbaph drip for the Strawhats
Loki gonna be the Arc princess now 😂 The God Knights will seemingly be the antagonists of this arc and not Loki I think