“Terrible, Anti-positional, Incredible.” | Tal vs Botvinnik 1960. | Game 17
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Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik
Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960), Moscow URS, rd 17, Apr-26
Caro-Kann Defense: Classical Variation (B18)
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 de4 4. Ne4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Bc4 e6 7. N1e2 Nf6 8. Nf4 Bd6 9. Ng6 hg6 10. Bg5 Nbd7 11. O-O Qa5 12. f4 O-O-O 13. a3 Qc7 14. b4 Nb6 15. Be2 Be7 16. Qd3 Nfd5 17. Be7 Qe7 18. c4 Nf6 19. Rab1 Qd7 20. Rbd1 Kb8 21. Qb3 Qc7 22. a4 Rh4 23. a5 Nc8 24. Qe3 Ne7 25. Qe5 Rhh8 26. b5 cb5 27. Qb5 a6 28. Qb2 Rd7 29. c5 Ka8 30. Bf3 Nc6 31. Bc6 Qc6 32. Rf3 Qa4 33. Rfd3 Rc8 34. Rb1 Qa5 35. Rb3 Qc7 36. Qa3 Ka7 37. Rb6 Qf4 38. Ne2 Qe4 39. Qb3 Qd5 40. Ra6 Kb8 41. Qa4
Tal vs Botvinnik 1960
Moscow
No sooner did Mikhail Botvinnik regain his title, the chess world became entranced by charismatic young Latvian named Mikhail Tal. Tal won the 1958 interzonal tournament at Portoroz, then helped the Soviet Union to retain the Chess Olympiad; before going on to win the 1959 Candidates Tournament with 20 out of 28 points--a point and a half ahead of second place Paul Keres.
Tal often sacrificed material in search for the initiative in chess. With such intuitive sacrifices, he created vast complications, and many masters found it impossible to solve all the problems he created over the board, though deeper post-game analysis found flaws in some of his conceptions. Although this playing style was scorned by ex-World Champion Vasily Smyslov as nothing more than "tricks", Tal convincingly beat every notable grandmaster with his trademark aggression.
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how about u just simply donate the best amount you can? lol
Dustin Johnson oooo
fuck is a soundless furniture cover?
What did we even do to deserve Agadmator in our lives and him fulfilling our desire to watch a Tal vs Botvinnik game every day 😭
Rishav Sen he seems very passionate in the video, I think he is also very enjoying his moments analyzing and commenting in this WCC series
Agadmator is fanatastic, we are so fortunate that he has gifted us with his incredible talent to explain complicated positions in such an
understandable manner! Thank you Antonio!
I don't know what we did but he blessed us and every time I open up RUclips my eyes look for his videos.
firendable oh sorry for offending you supergenius. I am surprised that your even tuned in here
firendable you are entitled to your opinion but you are in the small minority and wrong
I’m beginning to think naming ur kid “Mikhail” grants +500 rating
Ace coment, mate!
Eastern european names in general give an immediate +500 Mikhail as the first name adds a bonus +100
Pls don't give me ideas
Confirmed. Play better than all my friends most days.
The “Magician” lives through you Agad.
1:08 Caro-Kann Defense: Classical Variation: Very Sharp Variation
Lol
Is that a One Punch Man reference ahah
LOVED the picture with Tal's commentary out of his book. This is what makes your videos the best @Agadmator
"Even though the move was seen as “Terrible, Anti-positional, Incredible, " the engine likes it". Haha.
6:25 Botvinnik immediately goes Qc7 after thinking for 30 minutes. 😛
Immediately here implies the very next move, not later.
4:43 "The engine actually likes it"
Tal the Magician was almost an engine
So Tal intuition is basically what modern chess engine have in mind today...
I love when you include part of the book!
Tal’s play violates my understanding of the game
Hivlik same here...but he is my favorite player...
Tal plays crazy move:
Me: What the hell!?
fancy meeting you here
That's the brilliance of his games. I'm not a very good player ( rating 900 tops) and I can't calculate lines very far.
But I probably would play some moves like tal without knowing it. The more we know about chess, the more cautious and less experimental we become. It's like he combines the innovation of a beginner and the brilliance of a master.
there are 2 typs of move, theoretically move and Tal move
14:25 “the idea is checkmating Botvinnik of course”
You mean there's a chance the engine might like one of my moves? They are antipositional and incredible as well.
I'm waiting for the day one of my sacrifices get engine praise. "Incredible, brilliant, competent!" it would say. Xd
That's some real dedication showing us those wonderful words by Tal. Absolutely loving this. Paused the video & read the entire thing shown in your previous video as well. It also really shows how much one has to go through to become a world champion (even Tal) when most people these days just casually talk about grandmasters & their titles passing judgements about who's the greatest etc etc. Really appreciate the in-depth analysis 👍🏼👌🏼😎
This game reminds me of
“Complicate and they will blunder”
Like most people who enjoy chess and learn a bit about the players, I've always enjoyed Tal as much for his personality as for his style and creativity. I'm really enjoying this series because it is also revealing to me just what a genius and gentleman Botvinnik was. Botvinnik's playing style might not have the "wow" factor that some of Tal's games do, but it was just so solid.
In order to defeat Botvinnik, other players really needed to come up with some original and wonderful tactics.
Also, Agadmator...I've noticed you have zero games on your channel featuring Max Euwe. You've mentioned him, but there are no games of the former world champion here. Yet.
I like the way you referenced tal's book for some inputs on the moves
referred*
fahIm M_ No referenced is correct
Yes its good quality content
So Tal played f4 because he wanted to see a movie and finally he succeeded! A great game by Tal, thanks for uploading!
Nikad nisam pratija nijedan kanal ovako dugo i svakodnevno.. tnx
So, Tal finally managed to brake Botvinnik's Caro-Kann defense! Great, great, great grand magician!
Greetings from Brasil!
I didn't even know that there was such a strong player a Mikhail boltvinnik before this chess game series
Kush Singla He was third highest rated ever on chessmetrics after Fischer and Kasparov..
Only on the 1 year peak rating he is ranked third, not on the other categories. But still surprisingly strong. Certainly a top 5 player.
That is simply not true. It is widely recognized that the soviet players were the strongest players overall, there were so many soviet world champions. Even today there are tons of Russian GMs. It was a huge deal when Fisher broke the trend and became world champion, because the soviet players were so strong. You go on about mutant supermen... Nobody believes that chess players are mutants.
Ok, you view chess through a political discourse. Thats fair enough, but I certainly have equal respect for all the greats of the past. Its 2018, I don't really care if someone was communist or not. I study these old games to learn about chess, not to learn about political history. I study all of the greats. But style is also such an important factor for remembering players. Think about combinational masters like Paul Morphy or Alekhine in opposition of positional masters like Lasker and Capablanca. So Tal will always be more popular than Botvinnik, because of his attacking style. Same goes for Kasparov and Karpov. Karpov is more recognized for his defensive positional way of playing, while Kasparov was known for his attacking ideas and innovations. Personally I like all of these players, but it noticeable that videos about Tal or Kasparov get more views than say Botvinnik or Petrosian. I certainly agree with you on some level, but don't rule out playing style, is all I am saying.
Ron Maimon, you're telling that Botvinnik was communist like he has a choice. He lived in the age of Stalin. There were up to 80 000 000 people imprisoned due to someone told they are not communists
Thanks Agadmator.
Happy to see Tal winning a game after long time in this series.
Amazing game. Thanks agadmator!
Amazing! I love these sharp tactical positions. I'm working very hard to improve my tactical skills. I noticed the more complex the position the more likely it is for players to blunder which only favors those with the better tactical skills.
Today I defeated someone much higher rated in a sicilian dragon at the local club, classical time controls, because I kept attacking while defending. We both made mistakes but I think I essentially wore him down mentally after creating so many complex positions. After the game he was surprised I was rated several hundred points lower than him. lol
15:20. This is the wallpaper on my phone. I went over this from a magazine. Just brilliant.
Love your videos agadmator. Keep making more series like this
Finally a satisfying game!
This is LONG, LONG overdue. Agadmator, I love your channel! I've been watching your content for roughly three months now upon discovering your channel. I live in the United States. I am no better than an amateur chess player, but your game analyses are so fun and very insightful to watch! I am also an amateur vlogger doing a RUclips series on the upcoming Russia 2018 FIFA world cup. I wish your country, Croatia, the best this summer! They have terrific chances as a dark horse, in my opinion. Anyway, back to your channel: That was a timely battery Tal used on the B file with the two rooks and the queen. Your channel= Good stuff without fail!
Damn, nice shout with Croatia at the WC
The Drowning Hippo....there should be a movie with this title !
You make great videos, they are unique, and also it's amazing when you provide quotes from Tals book
This is amazing!!! and its is even more amazing to those who have read "Tal-Botvinnik, 1960 by Mikhail Tal" you do capture the essence.
I’ve learned a lot from the Tal v Botvinnik games. Win or lose I learn something each game from each player.
Watching this again four years later. Botvinnik must have been feeling terrible after this game.
Wow.. this delightful.. agad just uploaded another tal vs botvinnik game 😀😀
Tal ------ A soviet titan. Master Radic, your Tal games' analysis always motivates me to learn more. Especially more Tal games. Thanks
Everyday coverage of the 1960 world championship makes me feel like it is happening in the present 😂😂
So glad you’re doing these videos!!!
Considering that I know quite nothing about chess, I can still enjoy these videos. You make top-level class chess very understandable and fascinating, even for newbies like me. It's pure witchcraft ! Bravo Agadmator !
Lol...”now with this super battery on the B file “ 😭😆 Classic !
Tal is just on another level entirely.
You really out here grinding man, great channel
Yesss I've been staying up for this. I can finally sleep... in 17min36s
Tal thought in that 8 minutes to calculate f4 whether he would have time to see a movie with his wife.
I laugh hysterically 😁
He was always making moves on his wife!
Jesus! I wish I could understand chess like you do! Great videos!
Hey Agadmator, nice touch that you added an excerpt from Tal's book :D
Your dog is hilarious when he flails around on the couch!
Wonderful notes from the mind of Tal.
Let alone other chess books........... I would like to show my generation 'the book' that has exact words of agadmator during his lifetime chess analysis............
Never knew that Tal vs botvinnik would be so exciting. Such a depth of positional play from both.
When reading the headlines i knew immediately it was the f2-f4 move.I have read his book The life and Games of Mikhail Tal , an amazing book. Nice to see that you use some commentary out of it.
4:39 "Totally Anti-Positional but the engine actually likes it" - Agadmator
Tal: I am the engine ha ha ha...
Tal is so great x when talking about commentators. I don't recall what game it was in this WCC but Tal said about the commentators choosing another move that Botvinnik's one that "they have no Idea of what they are talking about " ^^
suggestion - put the photos of the players on the side they are playing black on top - white on bottom - great site!
Botvinnik kept on grabbing the pawns but I could feel Tal was winning with his insane battery of the rooks and the queen. Shows you how chess is more about the king than the material.
In his fine book The Seven Deadly Chess Sins, GM Jonathan Rowson devoted some pages to this game. After 31 Bxc6 (!! - "a stroke of practical genius." - Rowson), Tal's comment was "It is regrettable that white has to part with his bishop, but the threats to the d-pawn force this. As compensation, White gets some freedom of movement for his rooks." Rowson: "These are not the words of a man riding the wave of his own ego...What is so admirable is that Tal shows so little attachment to the gem in his own position and such keen awareness of what the moment required...If he had played 31 Ne2, he would have acknowledged that black was setting the pace and thus put Botvinnik at ease, but Tal insists that the tension be felt by both players."
Amazing game by Tal!! Love the guy
Antonio your videos are inspirational!!!
Seriously game of century.....loved dz
I wish Fischer and Karpov played a series under even terms.
I subscribed today and dude you are making miracles. Keep it up!
Love the comments of the book!
16:30 Rxc6+ can't you play Kd8
no, rook takes black rook and c6
@@abgacg22 But you just retreat no ?
Thank you Agadmator for one more nice video. I always watch all you videos :)
Really good idea to put book's situation, as in the previous video :)
Another thing. It's the first time I noticed you saying for to times "...knight moves TO HERE" instead of said the name of the square. :)
I noticed one new think in this
The dream: Agad comes home in the evenings and shows us what he played in the candidates tournament that day :)
16:22 It's considered better to take the pawn with Rbxb6+, because Raxb6+ Kc7 Rc6+! but Kd8, you don't have to capture the rook with your Queen Qxc6, it's losing for black. And after Kd8 there's much more complications for white, Rbxb6+ makes it easier to win for white, than Raxb6+. Here's an example Rbxb6 Kc7 Rc6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ and there appears a possibility of checking the king on a 8-th rank Ra8+ and there's no defence against checkmate if you won't give up the black's queen for the rook.
FEN: 1kr5/1p1r1pp1/R3pnp1/2Pq4/Q2P4/8/4N1PP/1R4K1 b - - 0 1
Come on Man.. thats is just beauty
Incredible game! I really like this series
- " f2-f4 !... Pizza is on me, M. Botvinnik !
Your going to lunch early today... " (Tal)
you're
Botvinnik's decisions at various points which seem surprising are explained by taking the psychological factor into consideration. He knows that Tal is superior to him in tactically rich positions so he keeps playing to avoid those positions relying on his positional play to persevere. The problem with that approach is he has to make positional compromises which eventually results in Tal having a big enough positional advantage to win the game.
In their second match Botvinnik came prepared specially in the opening to avoid such situations and after the opening followed a middle road between complications and allowing Tal too much leeway positionally.
i will be sure to buy this book as soon as i can
16:28 after rook to c6 check , why not king to d8?
14:24 -- Botvinnik's position here (prior to the example g-pawn move) is not only perfectly fine but favored to win if Tal screws up...so long as Botvinnik finds the one move that thwart's Tal's ongoing attack: Ka8 -- after which the discussed Rxa3+ no longer works because, following pawn takes rook, the queen cannot check the king in the corner from b6. If Tal moves Qb6 anyway, then Qxe2 (Botvinnik grabs a free knight and defends a6). Given that it's only a three-move calculation with few moving parts, Botvinnik must have been in severe time-trouble to blunder Qd5.
...Following the prudent (but unplayed Ka8), the Black queen and rooks are locked in defense, but only so long as all four of White's pieces remain in their current positions. Only the material on the king-side can moved. So, Tal would have to play h3 (to prevent Ng4, and h3 is his only move arguably leading to a draw), g5, Kh1 (and the two kings are now similarly-oriented regards their nearby pawns). "Safe" king-side moves exhausted, now Rc6 (challenging), Rxb7, Qxb1+, Qxb1, Rxa7, and Botvinnik has two rooks for a queen in a drawn position.
Your voice is very good 👍. You could have been a wonderful teacher.
Very complex game, even for 1260+ player
1260? Not sure if funny or serious lol
Is it me or is Tal's gameplay the closest to alpha zero's ? Maybe that's too much, let's say that if you watch alpha zero, and ask yourself who is the human that plays more like him (it?), it will be Tal right ?
Not just you.
Alpha zero closest human resemblance might be bobby fischer i guess,since tal's style of game is to complicate things on the board and make people blunder,but alpha zero played with precision and simply killing your pieces 😂😂
Tal's style wasn't to count on your opponents to blunder after you go crazy, it only looks like that because after you know the way anything else looks like a blunder, even to GMs's god stockfish, after u see its games with A0 SF seems to dumbly blunder its games and fall for A0's tricks
fernando sardenberg kind of was.. his sacrifices are refuted by modern day engines. Its just hard over the board.
idk if that procced but he surely buged SF8 many times
No one comes to close to this guy in chess reviews... The tal of chess reviews.
if I would be a left winger, I would hate to play Botvinnik as the right back
Antonio, this is definitely one of the best videos you've done lately! You manage to bring so much drama to these games. I feel like I've gotten hooked to a really addictive soap opera. As soon as a video ends, I can barely stand to wait a day for the next episode. And this idea of doing a series is amazing and really intensifies the drama! I only lament that a championship match between Tal and Fischer never took place, for you to do a series on. That would have broken youtube :)
jmeshi he is great
4:29
"Sorry about that"
Thats me after accidentally sacrifeced my rook that way and say sorry for rook
One of my favorite parts of your videos is your awesome dog. I got a puppy six moths ago, Bull Terrier, she’s crazy, a handful but my family loves her to death and she Us.
Is it just me or botvinik looks like an evil scientist from hydra
Weird that Tal left his queen most of the time on D file giving tactical oprtunity to the black rock
wow what a game. loved it thx
#suggestion Can you make the series of the 1935 championship match between Alekhine and Euwe?
This one fried my brain
That move 11. Qa5 was a very tricky attack on bishop, I enjoyed this move a lot, won couple of games by surprise moving the queen like this but unfortunately Tal saw it...
Nice punishment for the pawn grabber 😂😂
I hit like at the "Hello everyone,", never mind this game :)
Really enjoying the series!
But also make a series on the rematch
In that final checkmate pattern I believe it would also be checkmate if you move Qa7. This would save the rook without having to sacrifice it. :)
At 16:31, if instead of Qc6 what if black play Kd8? dosn't that prevent checkmate and stops white's attack?
5:38 after pawn to a3 , pawn to e5 looks fun ...
Excelente exposición 👌 ojalá pudiera hacer más vídeos con un Inglés fácil para comprensión de suscriptores latinos de cd Juárez Chihuahua México
In just 16 minutes so many views, likes and comments! The video length is 17 minutes folks! Give us some time complete watching the video guys!!
Sorry, we're bullet players. We watch at 1.25-1.5 speed.
I think that Tal is Alpha Zeros Ghost in the Machine!🏴☠️
i recently aquired a old copy of the book and am going to at some pont lern descriptive notation just for that book
13:43 only if that b6 rook was a bishop
that was a wonderful video!
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