Walther Rotex RM8 vs Air Arms s200 - which rifle is better?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video Chris gives his honest opinion on these two guns. They were both shot over 35 meters, using JSB 8.44 diablo pellets.
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I've just got an RM8 and I'm stunned at the accuracy. The Lothar Walther barrel seems to be very happy with any pellet I use in it. I've chronographed it and the regulator is amazing, it's the same velocity every time, hardly any variation. Great rifle. I'm in love with it! 😂
Ste, thank you for taking the time to comment on the video. Yes, the RM8 is a brilliant gun, for such an excellent price! The build quality is outrageously good and the only problem is that the magazine only holds 8 pellets! This is only a minor gripe... Still, very pleased to hear that you like the gun so much. Safe and happy shooting!
I Got mine in March. love it. Love it. Love it. My Gammo Phox was my favourite until I unleashed the beast, RM8. It's got to be one of the best guns at that price range. I watched you on youtube and fell in love with the look of it. best buy this YEAR. (so far, don't tell the wife.)
Long story short i have s200 10 shot and it shoots sub 5 pence groups at 35yards. Its serving me well so far.
Hi Chris,
I hope you're keeping well. I think you are a great, honest reviewer of air rifles. You call a spade, a spade, and say it how it is,which is great.
My polite opinion is this. I have a soft spot for an Air Arms S200. My late, much loved father owned one. Dad loved his S200. Dad never had a great deal, bringing up his family, though rightly so, his S200 was his pride and joy.
The Walther RM8 is much newer and more chance of having a safety catch than an older rifle. The Walther won't rattle as it's brand new. If the S200 was overhauled, maybe that wouldn't rattle either. I humbly think both air rifles are fine kit both with the potential to be great. Thankyou.
At that range that 200 should be putting pellet on pellet, think there's definitely something not right with your test 200. Add a moderator and a tin of J.S.B heavies, also a barrel clean, lead it in then do the same test. I like the rm8 but as this is not your gun we don't know what it was fed. With a bit of tuning I'm sure the 200 could easily match the rm8.
These are excellent points. However the s200 is now gone and won't be back for a while.
@@southwestshooters Sorry but that test was unfair to the little 200. Your other vid, the same s200 with its fault's compared with a top price gun costing over 4 times as much, had much the same grouping. For the money the faulty 200 is a budget gun par excellence in my book ( imagine what a clean well looked after s200 could do ) wish I lived in your world where I had £2000 to spend on a gun. Sorry I live in the real world. Otherwise I liked your vid shame it was biased.
Forgot to say I have a mint mk 2 and it's a fantastic little gun.
@@deliboy1864 👌
I own both of these both in .22 and all I can say is my s200 smokes my walther both use jsb rs 13.43g trust me its the pellets that make a difference at 35 yards
Perhaps your RM8 is faulty? Regardless, thanks for the message!
@@southwestshooters no its fully functional thankyou its simple the my regulated airarms is a far superior gun with a superior cz barrel
@@falkirk8413 fantastic. It's great you have guns you enjoy. That is what this is all about.... Thank you for taking the time to comment on the video.
Chris, I have the RM8 and love the accuracy and quietness, however I dont think this has been a fair comparison as the same pellet has been used for both guns. My AAs410 is most accurate with AA fields, whereas my RM8 loves JSB Hades. I'd suggest finding which pellet suits the AA S200 and redo the test
Martin, thank you for your suggestions. First of all, does your RM8 have a moderator? I think it's very loud indeed! I will absolutely take your suggestion about the pellets on board. However keeping the pellet the same is part of keeping the variables the same...my comments about the overall fit and feel of the gun still hold true. But thank you for offering such a great suggestion. Take care.
@@southwestshooters Chris, I'm using the Hogan Decimeater and it is very quiet. Keep up the good content.
@@southwestshooters it can’t be a fair test when quite literally every gun likes different pellets, it really should of been shot (the S200) with its preferred pellets. You could get 2 Identical guns to test and one could literally hate the pellet that works best with the other. In the same breath you could try using the RM8 with the s200’s preferred pellet just to show the difference
@@DRob-zj1ld you are totally missing the point here. Introducing a different pellets type IS introducing another variable. This only nerds to be viewed as a test, with this pellet type. Agreed, I could have made this clearer, but your suggestion makes things less fair. In this test anyway.
@@southwestshooters I don’t think I am missing the point, your title says ‘which is best’ how can that be determined when your not using one guns preferred pellet? Sure I get where your coming from but for a real test on comparison as far as grouping goes you need to use the best performing pellet per barrel. This wasn’t an ammo test it was a rifle test all air guns are pellet fussy. Only trying to help with your content here, if you want the tests to be fair and viewed as such.....
That S200 is a poorly gun it needs a new bolt probe seal and the barrel cleaning and re crowning and if it is regged it wants a service or upgrade to a Robert Lane regulator.The split between the group indicates a barrel probe issue.Also I'd try JSB Hades pellets .I'd clean the RM8 barrel too and change pellets.
The S200 is a far better made gun the Walther is a nice gun but they do suffer from internal corrosion and seal issues.Moderators would be a good purchase too they sound like rimmies.My S200 is customised and is totally different from the standard gun and does 80 shots in .22 off a 190 bar charge and drops to 90/100 bar when I re fill.Some good points and it's your review so well done .You also need a better shooting platform you have side to side to movement which moves groups left and right.Both guns should virtually one hole at 35 yards so try some different ammo.Good luck stay safe.
the problem with the rm8 is the mags have a soft alloy star wheel that sometimes doesnt engage with the guns rotator lever giving blank shots, On mine i've painted alternate coloured dots on the mag edge so i can visually confirm its rotated and loaded a pellet into the barrel.
Fantastic suggestion! Thank you!
Awful test.. You can't test 2 rifles over say 20 shots with one brand of pellet 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Hywel, pease check out our latest video. We address some of the critiques. Thank you for taking the time to comment on the video. Take care.
Real enjoyed that thanks, like you say I am only 5ft 7 so it's the other way round the rotex does not shoulder well but the 200 does,
You are very welcome Lesley. My pleasure. See, the opposite can happen too.... I'm a big lad and the s200 simply does not work for me. But the rm8 feels better. Horses for courses. Or, guns for nuns? Rifles for trifles? Not that I'm accusing you of being a nun, or a trifle, but it is very late. Safe and happy shooting.
@@southwestshooters well there you go, just busy watching you playing the 1_7game with your mate and the hw good laugh
@@lesleyhoworth9598 yeah. He smashed me on that one.
I would have put a wider range of pellets through for a fairer comparison- the barrels on the S200 are often adapted to use on other HFT and FT guns, they are that good.
The mags on the S200 are not very good and an after thought adaptation, work better as a single shot.
There is no safety on the 200 as it is a 10 metre target rifles that’s been adapted, safety catches are not allowed on 10m
Olympic target rifles and pistols.
The RM8 is also very heavy and a pain to lug about on a permission after quarry!
I’m sorry I’m biased on this walther RM8 wins … however I do own air arms and they are very very good guns but none of them would stand up to the beating my my RM8 gets it’s solid .. it’s heavy out around the fields but you get used to it a little bit of sweat never hurt no one .. the Rm8 is highly under rated and deserves more good press than it gets … good review Mate enjoyed it 👍🏻
I too am a recent RM8 Owner (UC in .177), sadly I am only managing 60-70 "full power" shots from a full 232 bar fill via 7 litre cylinder. Pressure gauge indicates 100 bar after 8 mags. I haven't chronographed it yet (don't own one), but it's accuracy and power are amazing. I've taken many nuisance rabbits from my permission out to 45 meters. Its power does make me wonder if this rifle is a bit beyond sub 12 fpe power.
45 meters! Dang! You must be one hell of a shot. I'm pleased to hear that you are getting on so well with your RM8! They are fantastic guns... Such amazing quality for a vert reasonable price! Take care!
I'd get it checked if I were you. Soulds like the 30j version to me with the shot count you are getting... 😳
@@jimcarter2590 excellent advice. Cliff at Oke Gun (details in the description) would be a good place to start!
@@jimcarter2590 I agree, I'm calling the RFD that sold it to me this week.
@@mikeo9170 Well, was it a FAC version you got?
chris my s200 is pellet on pellet brill air arms quality but it is new of 2022, i cant understand why your shots were wide, the first shot on second try was a bull, id try a different pellet mine are 8.44 grain diablo?
I have seen other videos where the AA S200 does the same as the RM8 and better through the same hole a 50 yards, a matter of pellet choice in the end plus rifling twist and barrel length.
I would agree with Chris, the S200 in my arsenal of rifles is the most accurate, and believe it or not I have some very expensive ones...
That little S200 with the right pellet is a deadly sniper. Especially when one puts a regulator, a tuned moderator, trigger work, Altaros sells upgrades for the S200. I've owned four of them and am seriously blown out by the hunting and pesting I was able to do!
Even in the deserts of California where the jackrabbits are enormous, The S200's in 1.77 caliber did exceptionally well!!!
Even at long distances of 93 yards, the 14.30 fpe S200's did great! Light to carry around and super duper accurate.
Now if it doesn't feel well when you shouldered it, that is totally understandable. But oddly enough I have my friends whom are way bigger than me and they love the darn thing!! And swore that they would buy one!
It’s an opinion, it’s always going to be subjective.
The S200 appears to have the wrong diet of ammo here. It’s much better than that.
What would you suggest?
Hi there, three pellets tend to work very well. JSB Exact 8.44 grain, Air Arms Field 8.44 grain and Webley Accupell 7.9 grain all print between 5/8" and 3/8" in my S200 at 40yds. As a sidenote, I am also liking your Walther, I also have an LGU springer which is very good so I do know that the Walther barrels are excellent. I have no doubts about the RM8's accuracy, it seems to like those pellets in your vid. Cheers Steve
@@0113mountainman thank you for taking the time to let me know! It was actually "eating" jsb 8.44 for this test, as I wanted to keep it the same. But again, there are variations between the same model gun. I still stand by my appraisal... Even if the s200 group was as good as the RM8, I'd still prefer the RM8.
The most accurate pellet I've found for the rm8 is the jsb exact 10.34g. Pellet on pellet at 30 yards.
Oh yes I'm geting that rm8 for shure. But hopefully the air cylinder last for 80shots minimum. The version that is available in my country is the 30jules one.
You appear to be in the Soviet Union. I'm not sure what the legislation is where you are.... But I think 80 shots would easily be obtained. Take care!
OK thanks and btw I'm not from Russia I'm from Bulgaria.
@@kristiyanvasilios5789 awesome! Apologies for the confusion from me.
@@southwestshooters no worries mate thanks for the info.
Love the reviews, I have an RM8 .22 love it’s accuracy.
Thank you David - pleased that you enjoyed this review and that you like your gun too!
I had my RM8 for a couple of years now, it is the first gun I +really+ trust - I can literally "feel it in my gut" when I line up a shot.
When I am zeroing, I take out my other guns, squeeze off a couple, make my adjustments, rinse & repeat until I am happy. With the RM8 I take it it out of it's slip, put four pellets through the same hole and put it back in it's slip. It is paired with a cheapie Hawke Vantage scope and it is an awesome combination. I regularly take ferals out at 40m and I have repeated magpie kills at 63m.
One problem - it has spoilt all my other guns, the RM8 has become my sole go-to. I am seriously thinking about selling all the others.
Occasionally, I get the urge buy another gun... but what is it going to do that "The Priest" doesn't? The only way up from here, for me, is to go FAC and get something truly mental.
Dear Captainboing, thank you for taking the time to comment. I agree with you, to an extent. This gun isn't actually mine, it's Ians and I don't use it all the time. But I agree it's an awesome gun. I do prefer my daystate guns, but to be honest this is a feel thing. It's very hard to fault the RM8. I would honestly suggest checking out the daystate guns if you have access to them.... But then again, they might not offer anything that you currently don't have! Regardless, you clearly have a gun you like, which is awesome. Just out of interest, what other guns are you comparing it with?
@@southwestshooters I have to stay at the budget end of things purely down to finances. I have 5 in all:
- Walther Rotex RM8 .177 - my daily driver. very accurate, totally trusted. Loves JSB Exact 453 and Hades. When vermin clearing, I get a kill per pellet, just about.
- Gamo Phox .22 - nice gun, feels quite raw but great ratter. Tends to lose zero between sessions even with Bisley mounts (!) which is probably down to the scope. Really likes H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes
- The obligatory CPoS Break-barrel .22 which has had some work done so it can actually produce a grouping - OK for close in but hard work over 20m. OK for barn-storming ferals coz that is only ever at roof height.
- Beretta CX4 semi (Umarex) .177 - great fun for competition plinking with mates but only 8ft/lb and not much cop over 25m.
- BSA R10 .177 - I don't rate it... BSA seem to be hyped a lot more than they deserve, to me anyway.
It looks like you have some wonderful guns! So, admittedly I'm a daystate fan, but you will notice that in some of my other videos I compare "affordable" guns to these ones....its about the groups that you get. Nothing more. I seriously would not bother looking to get anything else for the time being if your RM8 does the job. It doesn't make any sense! However, new guns are fun, have you used a hw100? These are fantastic guns..... But I do know what you mean, sometimes you want something new and different.
@@southwestshooters yes weirharch are definitely on my list if the RM8 stops delivering, but you are right. Beyond just wanting to, change makes no sense.
From my limited knowledge, a fairer comparison would be 5 different types/brands of pellet over 3 different ranges. We all know brand X shoots better from gun A but not gun B, and brand Y shoots better from gun B but not gun A.
I do a similar thing in my r10 vs rm8 video.
sorry pal but the aas200 which i have is spot on with bipod and aa8.4 grain diablo.brill and i have the aa410
i have the s200 mk1 and 2 in .177 and .22 also the rm8 in .177. the s200 stocks are simply too short for me where as the rm8 just falls into place. Another 3 iinches and a drop butt piece would make the s200 a lot better gun in my opinion.
never tried the RM8 but i own a s200 .22 and at 50 yard i put one pellet inside the previous: more accurate than that is impossible i think......
I think in retrospect there was potentially something wrong with the S200. However, I aim to replicate this test in the future.
Love the honest review I have a walter rotex rm8 bought second hand never look back can u recommend a good scope for target and hunting 👍👍👍👍
Great review I've owned both of these guns still have the walther rm8 like you the s200 didn't feel right in my hands I was considering parting withbthe walther unukl I came across this video now I'll keep it and try harder with it it yhank uou
Make it work, they're botj good guns. I think the rm8 is better for me, others might not.
I have a RM8 and it shoots just as good as my HW100 and HW110 at nearly a third of the price.
The only thing I wish they did was make the magazine shot size bigger.... But yes, they are super guns.
Yeah I bet it does...🤔😂😂😂
i own both and there not much between them apart from the trigger is much better on the s200
I have an older rm8, wouldn't stock, with soft black coating. Same magazines, and thankfully not an automatic safety, which I loathe, but a resettable manual safety. It has a cheap non branded moderator, from local gun shop. Its very accurate. As accurate as any other gun I've shot, some more than twice the price. The only issue I've had over the years is the seals on the regulator needed replacing.
I have air arms too, but their tx200 springer, which is also very accurate, and alot of fun to shoot.
Good man. You have excellent taste.
@@southwestshooters lol. No i just can't afford a couple of grand for the really pretty stuff. And I'm no way near enough of a good shot to get the benefit of them
It's no use comparing 2 different guns using the same pellets as they may suit one gun better than the other.
May I suggest you do a pellet test first and compare the two using their favoured pellets.
My s200 is pellet on pellet at 35 yards using QYS pellets and 5p groups with AA Diabolo Field.
You should not be happy with those groups with either gun. They are both capable of much better.
Also the reason for the low shot count is due to the small cylinder not the regulator.
Sorry to be picky but I've been shooting for 52 years and owned many guns some budget and some in the thousands and I've found that the weakest part of most guns is the shooter themselves. With any gun you have to find the right pellet, lead the barrel in with that pellet, get to know that gun and it's sweet spot and finally practice, practice, practice.
Then you can give a fair review of that gun.
Very good video, I enjoyed watching. I'm surprised at the difference in grouping, I think you've done a very fair review there. That grouping is as good as my Air Arms s510r.
Thank you Alan. That is a lovely message. I am pleased to hear that you liked this little review/comparison video and that you considered my thoughts fair. We are striving for this very perspective. Take care!
Not all guns like the same pellet and Chris did not do the guns justice with the pellet choice.
Sorry but Chris is talking rubbish. I own both these guns and apart from the RM8 developing a leak after 18 months both guns are very good and more accurate than he shows them to be (I have tried the same pellets and got similar results) I find Air Arms Diabolo Field 177 4.52 are the best for both guns. Trying to give a comparison is like saying which is better TEA or COFFE. My AA200 is set up for target work at 10.2 ft lbs. The RM8 is set at 11.8 ft lbs (as bought 2 year ago) both give 3/4 inch groups at 30 yards but it would depend on who was using the gun as to which one would be better.
Ian, feel free to upload any evidence of your shooting to prove how much rubbish I am talking.
Try getting an s200 for under £200 now. Would snap that deal up in a second.
Some guns don't like the same pellets try some other like airarms pellets iv had 1 on top of the other and ur shooting platform was wobbly as hell
My CZ/AA S200 does 20mm🎯 groups @ 30m easy👌👊. Had a Walther Rotex and sold it due to magazine and loading probs👎 Your previous video competing the AA S200 with a Daystate redwolf ..the S 200 was grouping better...maybe the S200 needs a barrel clean and TLC 😋
It might do!
Nice review, confirms what I knew about the RM8 , that's why I bought my UC last year. I have just bought a tin of Exact .177 pellets in 4.53 size as I understand that improves the accuracy.
Good choice! Please let me know what your groups are like with those pellets!
Dr elphick....excellent...although there may still be variables???? The magnification difference in the scope? Be really interesting to see how the s200 would do with vector optics on it?....but I agree it’s close but no cigar,daystate is unbeatable in accuracy in my opinion also.great video keep them coming.
Colonel fry!
I guess there always will be variables that are simply too complex to negate. I could put the same scope on each gun, but that would require tuning each gun to its scope and I am not sure if that it a worthwhile idea. They are, after all, quality scopes on both guns. I guess it simply comes down to me as a shooter? I am more than happy to admit the results may have been different if the Professor was in this video....but there will be more to come. Thank you for your support!
Would love to see the wather rm8 vs air arms s410 . I own a walther rm8 and want to add a air arms s410 to my collection
Pls specify "better"
Better price, better accuracy, better longevity, better power, less pellet picky, better shots per fill, better serviceable.. Etc etc.
The term better is a bit simplistic I'm affraid.
Bert. You'd perhaps best consider my use of the word as a subjective personal evaluation of my liking of the RM8 over that of the S200. But as you asked.... The RM8 is clearly more accurate from this test. You get way more shots per fill and I like the feel of the gun. Therefore, it is better.
Great video again Chris, I'd love you to get your hands on a styer hunting 5 to see what you think
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With the rm8 you don’t need a rest to get a grouping like that at 35 yards
Please elaborate.
Walther lothar barrel the best barrels in the world and that’s it
@@johngriffiths3309 if you are suggesting you can get better groping shooting off hand than I can using a rest, then please upload some evidence.
Infact if you don’t get a grouping like that from prone or with no rest just seated using a table to rest your elbows on I would be very surprised ...
@@johngriffiths3309 I see. Yes. I actually agree with you.
Just looking to buy a RM8, thanks for the info.
You won't regret it.
What cylinder is that on there ?
How old is the rm8 and how old is the s200 its a honest review mmm
Not really sure! Yep. An honest, as I can make it, review.
S200 by a country mile, just my opinion, 😁👍
Keep them coming really useful videos.
Thank you for your support! There will be more!
S200 no contest, 😁👍
bought one......superb.
Good choice! Safe and happy shooting.
Both guns under more or less same condition, but shooting from such a wobbly table not good. My old S 200 can group less than 1/2" at 20 metres when bench mounted.
Thank you for taking the time to comment on the video. To be fair, any gun should group like that at 20 meters.
Well dr elphick,
Good review....I’ve always put bisley magnums through that rifle,but I also no you can shoot....I actually feel there’s a regulator problem there,for shots to jump up then down is in that area.unfortunately it has a lane regulator which I personally think are naff,but I’ve grouped as you no within 10mm at 60 meters with that rifle...I think we put it back to stock with a single shot tray and get you to review it again??? Your shooting is far better than that,yet so is the guns .but great review again👍👍👍
These are excellent points. I think the first point of call will be having a go with the tray and seeing what happens? I still think there could be some ergonomic issues given my frame, but I will continue. If it does improve things I will make another video. Thank you for your support Andy!
The mk 9 lancet reg from Rob Lane is one of the best regulators for a S200.
Speaking from hands on experience and missing wallet contents (don't ask learning is never cheap) I should know.I purchased and got rid of altaros internal reg and a huma just didn't suit the gun but where not faulty.My custom S200 is my keeper gun iv done,
Rob Lane Reg
Rowan bolt handle
Rowan Trigger blade
Rowan barrel/cylinder band swap from plastic
Rat Works barrel work re crown,threaded to 1/2"unf and clean.
10 shot mag conversion plus 2 custom mags,bolt re work ie polish and counter sink detent ball location and align mag housing.
Front quick fill and pressure guage fitted.
QD swivels and leather sling.
Hawke SF scope in high reach forward mounts as barrel mount removed.Mine loves JSB Hades in .22
I'v got both, and no diferance in acuracy what so ever! Sumthing wrong with that 200! Just air arms is so much easyer for hunting sub 12ftlb anyway. Alot lighter, and better handling.
Thank you for your input Steve. I disagree with you on the better handling aspects on the s200 - but this is simply a personal opinion. I also think that this is why I wasn't as accurate with it either, it doesn't fit my frame well enough for me to be comfortable....But thanks for your comment, it is very interesting to get the thoughts of other people.
@@southwestshooters the airarms 510 lighthunter is better than them both. That is a lovely rifle! And lazer acurate.. i am picking the rm8 compact up next month. So i will see for my self wich is the better compact hunting gun.
@@stevejohnson1797 So which is the better?
@@deltanovember1672 i wouldnt have any of them, i would put a bit more towards a s410 superlight hunter. Much better gun..
Just got an RM8 and the safety is really getting on my tits already. Why is it necessary to have an auto safety on a sub 12ft/lb air rifle. I have 2 fullbore and one rimfire rifle and none of them have an auto safety.
How many more time are you going to compare the S200 with other guns just for the purpose of proving it "inferior". I would suggest that you are not a good enough shooter for the S200 !
I have a mk2 s200 can shoot pellet on pellet at 30m it's not that pellet fussy
Great suggestion.
I have had a rm8 , istill have a s200, both in .177 , the s200 runs rings around the rm8 , you obviously where not useing the right pellet for the s200, at that distance my s200 can put pellet on pellet, and for God's sake get a stable shooting platform not a wobbly old table , then your reports might be a little more credible,
Yeh man 😎
Yes!
Definitely trust your judgment here.
AirArms have had their day.
👍👍great vid
Thank you!
U need a better shooting platform
I'm glad you did this the RM8 is very accurate expect lots of flak from the Ass hole Association sorry air arms lovers I can hear them thumbs tapping 🤗
Thank you for the comment! Yes. The RM8 is a brilliant gun. I love it and am jealous of Ian. I'm not sure how angry this video will make people, but everyone is welcome to comment as they see fit and ask questions. I'm not too familiar with the group of people you mentioned, but they are encouraged to talk to me. Thank you for your support.
Big Willy, you nailed it bro. 😂
Now RM8 vs AA s400 👍
I have owned the s400. I believe the rm8 is a better option.... But I haven't had access to both at the same time.
@@southwestshooters it would be a nice comparision if You had both. Your Walther is modified in some way or stright from the box?
@@pilarp8808 Yes, I agree, it would be a nice comparison. The RM8 is totally stock, nothing has happened to it, it hasn't even had the barrel cleaned!
@@southwestshooters so if it stock RM8 have great accuracy👍 Subscribe Your channel
@@pilarp8808 thank you! Take care.
S200 all the way, I've had both, i still have the s200, enough said, 😁👍
Good choice!
Get an FX Maverick .25 FAC.......a proper air rifle.
AA king 🤴
I'm not too sure about that. But if they are royalty to you, then that's all that matters.
No good cz 200 accuracy
I agree. I have taken off the multishot kit and the single shot tray has been installed - I will see if this affects anything. I will also experiment with more pellets. Thank you for your comment!
200s the best..
Completely unfair test
My 10 year old Grandson would have been dismayed with either of those group's at 35 Metres, comparing rifles on you tube, LEARN TO SHOOT...
Okay.
Ffs
Get a real rest. Your whole setup is not stable.