Great video as always ! The best part of these events is you can always find someone with the same time goals. I was always in the mindset to just go thru without sleeping on the 600. On any event longer than the 600 I would sleep but no longer than 2 hours. I did experiment with doing several one hour naps on the 800 one time but it just didn't work for me. Knowing what works for you is the key to also keeping your mind fresh and in a positive state. It is amazing what the body can do when faced with certain challenges when your mind is in a positive place. Wishing Therese Cool the best in her randonneuring adventures.
Thanks Zipp! My concern is not being able to fall asleep quickly enough to maximize your sleep window. Did this ever become a problem or were you just exhausted that it was easy to fall right to sleep when you stopped?
Nice video. I've been randonneuring for 5 years and I've found there are so many different strategies. Different people function very differently on sleep deprivation. On a flatter faster 600 I prefer to push through to avoid riding into a second night and I will do my best not to sleep during a 400. If I do have to sleep I try to wait for day time and take a nap in a field or the like. I've only done one PBP and rode with someone on their 4th who explained it's all about building up the buffer and then using it very wisely.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video. Also, thanks for sharing your strategy. The whole idea of riding a bike through the night seems incredibly challenging to me. At some point I think I would need at least 5 hours of sleep. And even then I would be suffering. Are you going to be doing the 2019 PBP?
I think Therese put it perfectly, it sounds difficult but when you have that goal in your head it's easier to get on with it. It is truly surprising how much an hour or 2 of sleep can help. On events where I have slept (PBP and London Edinburgh London mainly) I have always woken before my wake up call and felt ready to go. I'm planning to do PBP #2 next year, it's such an awesome experience.
Awesome! Best of luck to you next year! It looks like such a great event, amazing volunteers, and all the good people out cheering the riders along. I'm hoping Therese decides to do it too.
Wow! That's exciting Therese! Is this an official announcement? You know, we're going to have to do a video series, "The Road to PBP 2019 with Therese Cools!"
That swim hole looks amazing!! I bet it’s a secret spot? I’ll buy you a couple beers if you show me that spot sometime. Good video. The slow roll and commentary makes me want to ride my bike
I was working at the control of a 600 around the 390 K mark, Leonard and I took a guess when the first riders would arrive as there were some serious riders involved setting them selves up for the PBP 19. The first group of riders came in on a 29K average and one of the group just stamped his card and carried on riding the 600 in one go with out a sleep stop.
I'm a (super)randonner in thailand we a lot of event here.Such as 200,300,400,600. all (PBP available. 1000 and 1400 km also .)Try to.make annother SR this season. BTW great vids for randon relate and VO.Thanks
Great vids! I did my first 200km brevet last year and enjoyed it to the fullest. I notice that it appears that you both are riding bikes that tip the scale on the heavier side of options as do quite a few of the rando community. I'm always enjoying researching and trying different set ups and tire widths etc, i'm just wondering if either of you has done any distance or rando rides on a lighter sprightly endurance style road bike and if there's a theory behind a heavier bike for randonneuring?
Thanks Murray! Congratulations on accomplishing a 200k ride. The door is now opened to all the greatness cycling offers! I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I think in general the goal is to keep weight as low as practicably possible. I think if you take a cross section of the randonneuring community you will find all types of bikes being used for audax cycling. I've ridden my light Ti road bike on a 200k ride and felt okay. It was light on the climbs, but a little harsher on the rough road sections. I put 28mm tires on it and set the pressure as low as I could (45 psi) hoping to get more suspension from the tires. My steel touring bike on the other hand dampens out these rougher roads even better. In general, I feel better on longer rides on my touring bike even though it's heavier. The only theory I've read about is the idea of suspension losses due to stiff bikes with over-inflated tires. In this situation the tires and bike no longer decouple the road vibrations and therefore the body becomes the viscous damper of all the road shocks. Absorbing all this energy results in additional muscular fatigue, so the theory goes. This issue may not be as noticeable on shorter rides but becomes increasingly more important on long rides. A supple higher volume tire act as a shock absorber. Rougher roads require more shock absorbtion. The optimal tire size, air pressure, and frame stiffness is individual. As far as bike weight, the advantage of a heavier bike is momentum. Objects in motion tend to stay in motion. A heavier bike in motion will respond better to sudden changes caused by irregularities in the road surface and wind conditions than a light bike. More research on my part in this area is needed, but from personal experience I do notice an improvement in endurance on softer (supple) tires, a shorter crank, and in a more relaxed bike position.
I'll never do a ride where I need to give up sleep. I'm not ready to increase my cancer risks and heart disease in order to prove I can do something silly like ride 250 miles a day. I'd rather be satisfied with epic one day or multi day rides with decent amounts of sleep. It's not worth it people!
I also prefer one day epic rides and long slow multi-day tours over pushing myself to unbearable limits. However, I think like any sport there comes a point where some people want to test their own physical limits. You often hear people say, "this is how you truly find out what you are made from." While I wouldn't suggest anyone do these incredible rides on a routine basis, I do think for some it's worth having the experience. Take care and enjoy the ride!
@@Henrywildeberry Oh I agree and think any seasoned rider should give these efforts a try a few times. However, one book that comes to mind is www.velopress.com/books/the-haywire-heart/ by Leonard Zinn. He mentioned one of the things he would do differently is get more sleep before races. It's a different effort - CX racing at altitude while sleep deprived repeatedly for years, vs. a lower but more steady effort for a few days, but as some mention - this recent (as well as old) trend of ultra endurance effort and it's effects on our bodies is new territory and we'll certainly see the side effects on athletes as they age.
What!? There is no VALID scientific data that links lack of sleep (occasionally, no less! in a long rando ride) the heart disease or cancer. first small changes in a small probability is still a small probability and there are too many other lifestyle factors that mask these changes, I.e. the error bars are far bigger than the value being measured. The most prevalent cancers for men is prostate and for women breast and there is NO VALID CORRELATION to lifestyle (diet, fitness, substance abuse, etc) influences on your chance of coming down with these. Smoking and lung cancer is another story. But if you don't like long rides then don't do them. Everyone should ride their ride. As I like to say, "good health is just the slowest way to die". Good video Henry!
bikes with classic geometry are designed to not show a lot of seatpost. rando bars are a bit longer, to allow for more hand positions when doing longer rides
Still finding these, all are great. Thanks and be well.
I always dig Therese's cycling apparel
Great video as always ! The best part of these events is you can always find someone with the same time goals. I was always in the mindset to just go thru without sleeping on the 600. On any event longer than the 600 I would sleep but no longer than 2 hours. I did experiment with doing several one hour naps on the 800 one time but it just didn't work for me. Knowing what works for you is the key to also keeping your mind fresh and in a positive state. It is amazing what the body can do when faced with certain challenges when your mind is in a positive place.
Wishing Therese Cool the best in her randonneuring adventures.
Thanks Zipp! My concern is not being able to fall asleep quickly enough to maximize your sleep window. Did this ever become a problem or were you just exhausted that it was easy to fall right to sleep when you stopped?
Nice video , thank you greeting from the Audax community in Ireland.
Nice video. I've been randonneuring for 5 years and I've found there are so many different strategies. Different people function very differently on sleep deprivation.
On a flatter faster 600 I prefer to push through to avoid riding into a second night and I will do my best not to sleep during a 400. If I do have to sleep I try to wait for day time and take a nap in a field or the like.
I've only done one PBP and rode with someone on their 4th who explained it's all about building up the buffer and then using it very wisely.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video. Also, thanks for sharing your strategy. The whole idea of riding a bike through the night seems incredibly challenging to me. At some point I think I would need at least 5 hours of sleep. And even then I would be suffering. Are you going to be doing the 2019 PBP?
I think Therese put it perfectly, it sounds difficult but when you have that goal in your head it's easier to get on with it. It is truly surprising how much an hour or 2 of sleep can help.
On events where I have slept (PBP and London Edinburgh London mainly) I have always woken before my wake up call and felt ready to go.
I'm planning to do PBP #2 next year, it's such an awesome experience.
Awesome! Best of luck to you next year! It looks like such a great event, amazing volunteers, and all the good people out cheering the riders along. I'm hoping Therese decides to do it too.
I'm hoping to do PBP in 2019 too so any tips on how to approach sleep on the ride will be welcome!
Wow! That's exciting Therese! Is this an official announcement? You know, we're going to have to do a video series, "The Road to PBP 2019 with Therese Cools!"
Miss Cools sure knows how to use those down tube shifters. Also how come you don't use mirrors on your sun glasses.Love your vidos.
That swim hole looks amazing!! I bet it’s a secret spot? I’ll buy you a couple beers if you show me that spot sometime. Good video. The slow roll and commentary makes me want to ride my bike
Any time, it's one of my favorite swim spots! And there's a good MTB ride not to far away;)
Videos and music, are perfec!
Tello good info !!!
Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
I found her, last brevet she rode was in 2018.
I was working at the control of a 600 around the 390 K mark, Leonard and I took a guess when the first riders would arrive as there were some serious riders involved setting them selves up for the PBP 19.
The first group of riders came in on a 29K average and one of the group just stamped his card and carried on riding the 600 in one go with out a sleep stop.
Nice VO there Therese!
I'm a (super)randonner in thailand we a lot of event here.Such as 200,300,400,600. all (PBP available. 1000 and 1400 km also .)Try to.make annother SR this season.
BTW great vids for randon relate and VO.Thanks
Sweet! Super Randonneur is such a cool title. Thank you, perhaps we will cross paths one day at PBP.
Unnop Ritthichai I would love to do a rando ride in Thailand one day! You must have some amazing riding there.
A Guatemala fabric cycling cap. Cool.
Another beautiful video. Please tell us in your videos where you are riding and some description of the scenery. What river is that?
Thanks for your suggestion, Tawanga! I've been meaning to add more information on the locations of these rides.
Great vids! I did my first 200km brevet last year and enjoyed it to the fullest. I notice that it appears that you both are riding bikes that tip the scale on the heavier side of options as do quite a few of the rando community. I'm always enjoying researching and trying different set ups and tire widths etc, i'm just wondering if either of you has done any distance or rando rides on a lighter sprightly endurance style road bike and if there's a theory behind a heavier bike for randonneuring?
Thanks Murray! Congratulations on accomplishing a 200k ride. The door is now opened to all the greatness cycling offers! I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I think in general the goal is to keep weight as low as practicably possible. I think if you take a cross section of the randonneuring community you will find all types of bikes being used for audax cycling. I've ridden my light Ti road bike on a 200k ride and felt okay. It was light on the climbs, but a little harsher on the rough road sections. I put 28mm tires on it and set the pressure as low as I could (45 psi) hoping to get more suspension from the tires. My steel touring bike on the other hand dampens out these rougher roads even better. In general, I feel better on longer rides on my touring bike even though it's heavier. The only theory I've read about is the idea of suspension losses due to stiff bikes with over-inflated tires. In this situation the tires and bike no longer decouple the road vibrations and therefore the body becomes the viscous damper of all the road shocks. Absorbing all this energy results in additional muscular fatigue, so the theory goes. This issue may not be as noticeable on shorter rides but becomes increasingly more important on long rides. A supple higher volume tire act as a shock absorber. Rougher roads require more shock absorbtion. The optimal tire size, air pressure, and frame stiffness is individual. As far as bike weight, the advantage of a heavier bike is momentum. Objects in motion tend to stay in motion. A heavier bike in motion will respond better to sudden changes caused by irregularities in the road surface and wind conditions than a light bike. More research on my part in this area is needed, but from personal experience I do notice an improvement in endurance on softer (supple) tires, a shorter crank, and in a more relaxed bike position.
I did 600 kms brevets but did not have the time to take a vedio of it(somebody challenged me)
have you done PBP? Miss Cools?
Hi I was curious about what Therese Cools' has ridden and she is not in the RUSA data base. Is her name spelled correctly?
What's her gear ratio? Also down shifters for the win death to brifters
Conor Richard LoL! The front gearing is a 44-34-24 triple. The back is an 11-34 I think. Down tube shifters rule!
@@Henrywildeberry Bar end shifters are nice and simple as well
Therese mentioned that she was interested in doing a 600k without sleep. Had she tried it since then?
*randonneuse :)
Do you need to do 600 in 40 hours or are there relaxations on this? This was the only part i’m concerned with.
What song at 2:20 ?
Menom menom...LOL...reminds me of the Muppets.
I'll never do a ride where I need to give up sleep. I'm not ready to increase my cancer risks and heart disease in order to prove I can do something silly like ride 250 miles a day. I'd rather be satisfied with epic one day or multi day rides with decent amounts of sleep. It's not worth it people!
I also prefer one day epic rides and long slow multi-day tours over pushing myself to unbearable limits. However, I think like any sport there comes a point where some people want to test their own physical limits. You often hear people say, "this is how you truly find out what you are made from." While I wouldn't suggest anyone do these incredible rides on a routine basis, I do think for some it's worth having the experience. Take care and enjoy the ride!
@@Henrywildeberry Oh I agree and think any seasoned rider should give these efforts a try a few times. However, one book that comes to mind is www.velopress.com/books/the-haywire-heart/ by Leonard Zinn. He mentioned one of the things he would do differently is get more sleep before races. It's a different effort - CX racing at altitude while sleep deprived repeatedly for years, vs. a lower but more steady effort for a few days, but as some mention - this recent (as well as old) trend of ultra endurance effort and it's effects on our bodies is new territory and we'll certainly see the side effects on athletes as they age.
What!? There is no VALID scientific data that links lack of sleep (occasionally, no less! in a long rando ride) the heart disease or cancer. first small changes in a small probability is still a small probability and there are too many other lifestyle factors that mask these changes, I.e. the error bars are far bigger than the value being measured. The most prevalent cancers for men is prostate and for women breast and there is NO VALID CORRELATION to lifestyle (diet, fitness, substance abuse, etc) influences on your chance of coming down with these. Smoking and lung cancer is another story. But if you don't like long rides then don't do them. Everyone should ride their ride. As I like to say, "good health is just the slowest way to die". Good video Henry!
@@lorenzsiggel1515 I'll take your word for it. Are you a researcher?
@@lorenzsiggel1515 You seem smart and you used caps, so I totally believe you.
A much better sound recording, I think it was your biggest failure. Nice to see that you work on it!
And yes I do love your video! 👍😌
Thank you, jp Santos!
Her bike is at least two sizes too big, she cant reach the brake hood comfortably and there's no seatpost showing.
bikes with classic geometry are designed to not show a lot of seatpost. rando bars are a bit longer, to allow for more hand positions when doing longer rides
She seems really comfortable on it and she is pushing long distances over many hours of riding.