I absolutely love diagonal spreads and this is awesome! Have you ever tried a diagonal butterfly spread? Same as a regular long call diagonal spread, but you add a call credit spread at the same strike as your front month short call... You have to ensure that the amount you lose on the call credit spread is less than the amount you'll profit if the diagonal goes fully in the money... But if the stock stays below the short, you get additional credit from the call credit side that helps offset any losses should the stock price drop...
How is the first diagonal spread like, though? Do the front month short call has a strike further OTM than your back month long call? Like a "debit" spread? Is it the opposite, the short call in the front month being closer to the money than the long call in the back month? Or is it a regular calendar where both long back month and short front month strikes are the same?
Do you distinguish between raw vega and weighted vega? Short maturity vol tends to move more than longer maturity vol. This needs to be accounted for to correctly attribute normal vol changes to pnl.
I have already the course and cannot wait to go throght it. Yours IC and Calendars courses are continue to helping me a lot about how Option Market works. Great job, keeping it up...Thank you, Sasha!
Recently I’ve been doing Straddle Strangle Swaps as earnings trades with a 75% win rate but I only do them if I can put them on for a credit. I do 1w to 3w time frames and put them on the day of earnings. These are all negative Vega plays and the volatility crush generally exceeds the delta moves. Again I only do them for a credit so even if delta moves against me my max loss is manageable.
You can.... but its a bit less popular for 0dte since theta is the name of the game and vega wont do much in this case so Its not that you can't but its just not as popular or favored.
@@bohlmandan typically an ATM vertical or otm vertical or butterfly will be the ones that are most common. Along with iron condors which is two verticals.
I'm testing out double diagonals and reversed double diagonals with mild alterations as 0dte strategies. Works really well and the tweaks are 0 loss as long as you close before assignment.
does your course cover how Buying Power may or may not be affected when putting on and adjusting double diagonals? not sure if this is even an issue. thanks
What deltas of the shorts do you look for when doing DD and what distance between long and shorts on call and put side. I subscribed to your site hope to connect soon
I have been experimenting with this successfully. In ToS there is no good way of Analyzing the Trade. If against the long strangle, you keep selling weekly strangles, there is no diagram that can portray this in ToS. (That I know of) Do you have any solution for that? Thank you.
Sure, this all looks great on a graph and you did a phenomenal job explaining the theory behind it and the greeks ect.. but good luck getting a 4 leg spread filled at the mid price shown when some of the strike prices you are selecting have an open interest of less than 50.. Stock selection and strike liquidity is paramount when it comes to multi legged option spreads like these, which you didn't mention at all in the video; the Russel is a poor choice for real world application in my opinion. Even if one leg of a 4 leg strategy has an open interest of less than 100 you are going to have a hard time getting it filled at the price that's being shown, and an even harder time getting out of the position when that time arises. My $0.02 on the matter.. lol
@@JadesTrades open interest is irrelevant. Open interest is contracts held overnight from previous days. Volume of options is what is traded today. Also market makers will create the volume. So yeah it's very rarely an issue if you are trading liquid stocks or vehicles like spx, rut, spy, iwm, qqq etc. I find more of an issue on huge up days or down days when you are not patient and then you have to work the order more. This depends on the type of 4 leg spread you are going for.
@tradersflyofficial all true, though I find a big correlation between open interest and volume on a stocks overall liquidity for various strikes. Again, you did a phenomenal job explaining the theory behind it and everything, just throwing it out there with 4 leg spreads liquidity is very important and worth mentioning, especially when you are indiscriminately using various weeklies for comparison purposes that might not have the best chance at getting filled. Happy trading!
Hi Sasha, its nice, but I want to keep little simple and make more wins on Long Straddle on volatile stock. Is there any way I can increase my wins by adding another strategy like overlapping long condor/butterfly to it? so incase the stock remains range bound I can offset the long straddle loss with this strategy?
You can... But more volatile stocks will have faster decay.... So even layering a calendar or butterfly is intetesting but why not keep it more simple with a back ratio spread?
@@tradersflyofficial Thank you very much, I truly appreciate it that answer. I need to practice butterflies. I will dedicate a couple months to that, i have been practicing calendars and double diagonals for about 2 months now. Condors down. Maybe im missing something, but i dont see a difference between calendar and diagonal, as they cost the same since diagonal the spread is used as margin requirement. The great thing is that the more you learn, the easier it is to learn more :)
This seems counterintuitive, why buy a wider spread further out for this strategy? Wouldn't it be better to buy a narrower strangle or even a straddle to improve the odds of being ITM near expiration? Thanks for the video.
volatility is part of the equation. It's not that it's your enemy it's just you are positive vega and it can actually be your friend in low volatility environments. You can also neutralize the volatility by reducing the time in the trade and increasing your theta or by adjusting the delta. Also don't forget that you can create diagonals that are negative Vega or positive Vega :).
What you meant to say was THAT FOR YOU this is too difficult to adjust. What you meant to say is YOU see volatility as an enemy. STOP making comments as though are fact. The only two things you displayed were your uninformed opinion.
I got tired of the advertisement where the guy says if you don't have $5000 you can skip this add. So I turned the sound down and let him play for 2hrs. Hope this helped your metrics. LOL
I've started doing double diagonals and try to keep the deltas of the shorts and longs about the same. Seems to reduce risk and make managing the trade easier.
yeah diagonals are the bomb. Once I understood calendar spreads I immediately wanted to use different strikes and expirations. diagonal gang
I absolutely love diagonal spreads and this is awesome! Have you ever tried a diagonal butterfly spread? Same as a regular long call diagonal spread, but you add a call credit spread at the same strike as your front month short call... You have to ensure that the amount you lose on the call credit spread is less than the amount you'll profit if the diagonal goes fully in the money... But if the stock stays below the short, you get additional credit from the call credit side that helps offset any losses should the stock price drop...
How is the first diagonal spread like, though? Do the front month short call has a strike further OTM than your back month long call? Like a "debit" spread? Is it the opposite, the short call in the front month being closer to the money than the long call in the back month? Or is it a regular calendar where both long back month and short front month strikes are the same?
Do you distinguish between raw vega and weighted vega? Short maturity vol tends to move more than longer maturity vol. This needs to be accounted for to correctly attribute normal vol changes to pnl.
I have already the course and cannot wait to go throght it. Yours IC and Calendars courses are continue to helping me a lot about how Option Market works. Great job, keeping it up...Thank you, Sasha!
Thank you for your support Daniel. I'm glad you are enjoying all the courses and material. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Recently I’ve been doing Straddle Strangle Swaps as earnings trades with a 75% win rate but I only do them if I can put them on for a credit. I do 1w to 3w time frames and put them on the day of earnings. These are all negative Vega plays and the volatility crush generally exceeds the delta moves. Again I only do them for a credit so even if delta moves against me my max loss is manageable.
Which month (front, back) goes the straddle and which month goes the strangle?
wow very impressed. I have a lot more to learn. Thank You!
Thoughts on using this for ODTE? I use the strangle straddle swap.
You can.... but its a bit less popular for 0dte since theta is the name of the game and vega wont do much in this case so Its not that you can't but its just not as popular or favored.
@@tradersflyofficial do you have a recommended option strategy for zero DTE?
I’m experimenting with different ones
@@bohlmandan typically an ATM vertical or otm vertical or butterfly will be the ones that are most common. Along with iron condors which is two verticals.
I'm testing out double diagonals and reversed double diagonals with mild alterations as 0dte strategies. Works really well and the tweaks are 0 loss as long as you close before assignment.
does your course cover how Buying Power may or may not be affected when putting on and adjusting double diagonals? not sure if this is even an issue. thanks
Thank you, Sasha! Helped me to do my homework :)
Excellent to hear. Thanks so much for stopping by
What deltas of the shorts do you look for when doing DD and what distance between long and shorts on call and put side. I subscribed to your site hope to connect soon
I have been experimenting with this successfully. In ToS there is no good way of Analyzing the Trade. If against the long strangle, you keep selling weekly strangles, there is no diagram that can portray this in ToS. (That I know of) Do you have any solution for that? Thank you.
Does anyone know what software he is using? Can you use that with interactive brokers?
This is think or swim from TD Ameritrade
The Theta risk in the presentation was flying with the trader :-)
Thank you so much!
Sure, this all looks great on a graph and you did a phenomenal job explaining the theory behind it and the greeks ect.. but good luck getting a 4 leg spread filled at the mid price shown when some of the strike prices you are selecting have an open interest of less than 50.. Stock selection and strike liquidity is paramount when it comes to multi legged option spreads like these, which you didn't mention at all in the video; the Russel is a poor choice for real world application in my opinion. Even if one leg of a 4 leg strategy has an open interest of less than 100 you are going to have a hard time getting it filled at the price that's being shown, and an even harder time getting out of the position when that time arises. My $0.02 on the matter.. lol
@@JadesTrades open interest is irrelevant. Open interest is contracts held overnight from previous days. Volume of options is what is traded today. Also market makers will create the volume. So yeah it's very rarely an issue if you are trading liquid stocks or vehicles like spx, rut, spy, iwm, qqq etc.
I find more of an issue on huge up days or down days when you are not patient and then you have to work the order more. This depends on the type of 4 leg spread you are going for.
@tradersflyofficial all true, though I find a big correlation between open interest and volume on a stocks overall liquidity for various strikes. Again, you did a phenomenal job explaining the theory behind it and everything, just throwing it out there with 4 leg spreads liquidity is very important and worth mentioning, especially when you are indiscriminately using various weeklies for comparison purposes that might not have the best chance at getting filled. Happy trading!
Negative Vegas means when implied volatility goes up you lose money?
From the volatility side yes, but you still have Delta and theta.
@@tradersflyofficial Solid content why is your views so low?
Google algorithm? No fancy cars? Only for higher level learner's? Could be a lot of reasons....
@@tradersflyofficial Keep up the good work. You are highly underrated in my opinion
Hi Sasha, its nice, but I want to keep little simple and make more wins on Long Straddle on volatile stock. Is there any way I can increase my wins by adding another strategy like overlapping long condor/butterfly to it? so incase the stock remains range bound I can offset the long straddle loss with this strategy?
You can... But more volatile stocks will have faster decay.... So even layering a calendar or butterfly is intetesting but why not keep it more simple with a back ratio spread?
Really Impressed! Thank you
You are welcome
Id love to know what 2 or 3 strategies you use because they simply work for you personally.
Iron condor, butterflies, diagonals
@@tradersflyofficial Thank you very much, I truly appreciate it that answer. I need to practice butterflies. I will dedicate a couple months to that, i have been practicing calendars and double diagonals for about 2 months now. Condors down. Maybe im missing something, but i dont see a difference between calendar and diagonal, as they cost the same since diagonal the spread is used as margin requirement. The great thing is that the more you learn, the easier it is to learn more :)
Structure, not strategy
This seems counterintuitive, why buy a wider spread further out for this strategy? Wouldn't it be better to buy a narrower strangle or even a straddle to improve the odds of being ITM near expiration? Thanks for the video.
Using these diagrams is by far the worst way to teach options, in my opinion.
Thanks for your opinion
so is this similar to a Poor mans covered call?
That's what I was thinking
Yeah except it's too difficult to adjust, and Volatility is your enemy.
volatility is part of the equation. It's not that it's your enemy it's just you are positive vega and it can actually be your friend in low volatility environments. You can also neutralize the volatility by reducing the time in the trade and increasing your theta or by adjusting the delta.
Also don't forget that you can create diagonals that are negative Vega or positive Vega :).
What you meant to say was THAT FOR YOU this is too difficult to adjust.
What you meant to say is YOU see volatility as an enemy.
STOP making comments as though are fact. The only two things you displayed were your uninformed opinion.
I got tired of the advertisement where the guy says if you don't have $5000 you can skip this add. So I turned the sound down and let him play for 2hrs. Hope this helped your metrics. LOL
thanks for watching:) that's all I can say about that.
Diagonals are flexible to set up - but a pain in the neck to adjust.
Yes they are a bit more tricky than other strategies since you're dealing with multiple months and various strikes
I've started doing double diagonals and try to keep the deltas of the shorts and longs about the same. Seems to reduce risk and make managing the trade easier.