I don’t have a “patron” deity as I feel it’s very orthodox Christian patron saint type thing to do, but if I did, Ægir would be it. Yes he’s a Jötunn, but he brews beer for the Gods. I’ve brewed beer for 12 years now and I’m currently very involved in the beer industry. I think it comes down to intent, and by all I’ve read Ægir’s intent is of good will toward the Æsir. In the Lokasenna it says Ægir’s hall is a place of peace.
As someone who is almost a year into Norse Heathenry I want to thank you for these videos as I find myself coming back to these videos over and over to find more and more knowledge in my journey thank you
Hel is indeed "misunderstood" in modern times, because as Bryan Wilton wrote, her "sun-facing" aspects have been transferred to other goddesses. Many death goddesses also oversaw birth and life events, but now represent just one aspect.
@@nachobidness2553 True, although in the actual mythology, Farbauti weren't nessecarily "frosty" since I don't know if it's ever confirmed what type of Jotun he was.
@@Lupinemancer87 I didn't mean to imply that Farbauti was a frost giant. I was referring to the Marvel Laufey as Loki's frosty father. This wiki excerpt is interesting: "If Fárbauti as 'dangerous striker' refers to 'lightning', the figure would appear to be part of an early nature myth alluding to wildfire (Loki) being produced by lightning (Fárbauti) striking dry tinder such as leaves (Laufey) or pine needles (Nál)."
@@Lupinemancer87 More specifically, the larger, impersonal chaotic forces, as opposed to the more pastoral, local, and approachable Venir. I included the wiki quote because I found it to be an interesting interpretation. A lot of heathens quote the Eddas, but don't really speak much about the myths reflecting how our people perceived the world.
I really admire the approach that you and other pagans have towards the diversity of spiritual experience. As someone who found their way out of Christianity thanks to atheism, I nevertheless have a deep hunger for spirituality, but could never find a way to intellectually justify it. It turns out I am still thinking in terms of latent Christianity 😅 It seems that there is a whole range of options between Christianity and atheism.
Sounds more to me like you're agnostic. I am as well, and also a former Christian, but thanks to this channel (and my own interest, casual as it is, in the subject) I'm finding myself more drawn to Norse paganism.
I'm in exactly that position too. It's helping me a lot to watch stuff like this, and to think back to the time before I became a Christian, when I was probably the most genuinely open-minded I've ever been. Beliefs like this make much more sense to me, as they actually connect to the land and relate to the group living there, whilst not being exclusive.
This is honestly really nice. Having multiple, distinct yet fluid gods mirrors the fluid complexity of reality that just doesn't fit into nice boxes. Especially in a time before the mechanization of the universe, this wouldn't have been a problem for believers. And its nice that you aren't trying to take these ideas, concepts, and views and MAKE them fit into modern, mechanistic boxes. I like that. Your videos are always a breath of fresh air compared to the Christian theology and apologetics I am around so often. Even though I don't believe, I still find myself always coming back to your videos. Keep going and I hope your channel keeps up the momentum
As someone who is new to the faith, this helped alot. And also has answered some questions I had. Always hungry for more knowledge, I look forward to the next video 😎🍻 Thanks ocean,truly
I saw a video by Arith harbor (sp?) That changed my perspective on Jormangand, from giant evil snake, to a midgard protector villainized by Christian writers. So, I offer prayer to Jormangand to help protect me from snakes at my job. And its actually worked! At least I think it has worked.
@@mariafury1047 Arith Härger ä = ae, it is one of the three letters that only excists in north germanic alphabets and in some non indo-european languages like in hungarian, finnish, estonian, and so on. Ä=aa, Ä= ae Ö= oe,
@@marcusfridh8489 I am aware of the correct spelling as I am studying Old English. However, my ipad doesn’t can’t do what is necessary and I didn’t have time to cut and paste.
When I was younger and didn’t believe in this the more concrete way I do now (half-joking half-seriously: Mythological studies radicalized me into paganism), I was fascinated by the idea of polytheism because I have this inclination to classify things into little groups and lists. I loved going on deep dives of old and new religions and seeing what every deity was in charge of what, what where their stories and relations to one another and where they “lived”… sometimes I would even rewrite my own mythology. For some time, I was quite enamored with the idea of Thor and Sif being star crossed lovers during the Aesir-Vanir war - I was writing Asatru Fanfic, basically. How embarassing...
Okay but like that's like the best way you /could/ be a polytheist. You aren't letting the faith stagnate: Ancient faiths would change the stories and write new ones all the time. You're just continuing the oldest tradition any faith has: Telling stories about the gods.
Really informative. One of my favourite things about Heathenry is that there is no central authority, it’s a personal journey - but that does mean that it can be hard to understand the stories and the Gods.
That was a really, really impressive pun. Then you tied it in with a final Loki pun. You write a damn good script for your videos too. Hail to you Ocean!
Loved the intro. Some time ago, I was having a think and it occurred to me that house mice might be the physical embodiment of ancestor spirits. If for no other reason than they have been living with us since we started storing grain and having permanent shelters.
The last time I told someone I was polytheist with no other explanation they asked if I was Buddhist. I politely told them no, Norse polytheist, then they noticed my Morning amulet and were pretty stunned yet curious. Had a good chat with them on my spiritual beliefs vs his as an evangelist. I was kinda surprised when he told me to have my gods bless me, it was kinda touching to hear from a Christian.
Just wanted to say keep up the good work. Felt it was important to pay respects when seeing good arguments both for and against and even more importantly the different perspectives and respect for differences of opinions.
3:34 when i presented freya the drawing i made her to symbolize her in my altar, i felt such an overwhelming presence, i got hazy and almost fainted 😭 i could tell she received it
This is such a phenomenal video with a great over view and several jumping off points for more in depth reflection. One of the things I've most been drawn to is the idea of order vs. chaos. I read a series of books growing up that made me cognizant of it being as much a way of parsing the world as good vs. evil. I love how you describe the Jotun as chaotic, not necessarily evil. The world is such a varied and nuanced place, and that's what's so beautiful about it.
I love the background music, though it often reminds me of how my old church always had calming music playing while we listened every Sunday morning. 🤣 it always has been, and still is, calming to listen to while people talk.
Is it possible the Vanir are more interested/involved in the happenings with elves and dwarves? This would explain Freyr's tooth gift and the Aesir being chiefly involved with humanity.
I find the Landwights interesting, some pagans with animistic beliefs have sacred trees or sacred places that they avoid disturbing because of their connection to spirits but the Norse were busy settlers. They killed animals, they cut down trees, they mined the land etc. I wonder how they reconciled exploiting resources with acknowledging nature spirits.
I have a few guesses as to how that might've played out. Keep in mind that I haven't done reasearch, so this is all speculation. Though places or particular things were considered sacred, it may be the case that not all were - as such resources would be gathered from more profane areas. It is also possible that the use of a resource might be held sacred in itself. Such as wood having a sacred use as protection in the construction of sheilds or house building. The same could be said for medicinal plants for healing. Some people were also probably just dicks and harvested sacred things or from sacred spaces despite their sacred status.
In other traditions we tend to see prayers and sacrifices being done to appease land/nature spirits in conjunction with hunting or lumbering as a sort of exchange. "We took this so to compensate and show appreciation we'll give you this." Obviously cutting down trees or digging a mine or killing animals is going to happen because we need the resources. The goal of the relationship between humans and the land spirits therefore is not one of total abstinence but rather one of balance. We are to not take more than is necessary and we are to express gratitude for what we take
10/10 on the puns at the beginning And amazing video!! And I do count the saints as their own mini gods to people. I am still looking into saint things and things like that. Love the video!
I've often thought that there may be universal essences or beings with different characters that are given different forms in different cultures but are the same. So Odin and Zeus, or Tyr and Mars, for example, may just be different faces from different cultures for the same essential beings.
Okay, I'm definitely loving your videos! You're engaging me and challenging preconceived notions driven into me by fundamentalist beliefs. This is EXACTLY what I need right now! 💖💖💖
The kind of "overwhelming" power felt from a spiritual experience is something I feel whenever I look out at nature. Just observing and taking in the Natural world, in like a forest or by a river or what have you, gives me the same overwhelming feeling one would get in a spiritual experience. This is what has lead me to animism, and more specifically Shinto. Your videos are awesome and I appreciate them. My patron deity, if I have one, is Amaterasu, the goddess of the Sun and Queen of all creation
Thank you so much for your content. As someone very new to Norse beliefs, and very lost, having content that explains complex concepts in understandable words is incredibly helpful. Still, I have quite a basic but central question: If the Gods are not (entirely) physical and do not reside in specific places, why are the depicted, not only in contemporary and ancient art, but in the poetic stories, has having a form, a body, a face, objects, such as weapons and clothes, and living in realms? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the God shift between many forms, and embody human concepts (law, order, justice, love etc.) and natural phenomena (lightning, snow, wind, etc.), but they also have a (human-like) form, correct? If not, why is it so common to find in altars wood carved in the (physical) image of Thor, for instance? Probably there is something I missed regarding this in the video. Thanks in advanced if someone can explain this to me.
I think a couple of months ago on a video I said I’d like to hear more about landwights and you have very graciously provided that and so much more. Also I like to think of Christianity as like a Zoroastrian fanfic, it seems like that’s where they got all their best ideas, the Bible was the original fanfic and nobody can change my mind.
Really liked this. I guess my outstanding (unanswerable?) question is where the boundaries between the gods are? Are the Norse "Sol", Anglo-Saxon "Sunne", Celtic "Sulis" and Baltic "Saule" the same "entity", for example? They're all Sun Goddesses [probably] from a common linguistic root, but that doesn't necesarily mean they are the same goddess.
in case you aren't aware of these terms: "hard polytheist" and "soft polytheist", the former position would say that all those gods Are distinct entities, while the latter would say that they are all different names for the same goddess.
Yes if you are a soft polytheist that believes that every god is related to each and one singular being. Another example: Hephaestus is Vulcan and they are the same being. No, if you are a hard polytheist that becomes that they are separate beings due to them being in different cultures and the cultures viewing them differently. Example: Hephaestus is not Vulcan due to Hephaestus is Greek, Vulcan is Roman. They both have similar characteristics but different and separate
@@covenawhite4855 That is a soft polytheist worldview of deities or singularity of all gods just being one god but different in terms of regional mythologies, cultural beliefs and how they act / function in terms of said cultural worldview. It becomes henotheistic or soft polytheistic really fast
I mean, I personally think that gods can "split off" or "give birth" to other gods that are very similar, or at the very least can be multifaceted and understood by different people in different ways. I think it very much depends on exactly how different the god is understood. If they could, within reason, be considerably similar to the point they have only one or two differences, I may argue they are the same, understood differently because of cultural differences (for example, a culture adopting another cultures god but using a different name or using their own methods of worship/ritual). But for the most part, it seems like some people do get a little carried away with combining gods 😅 depends on your own ideas, though! To each their own, the gods are likely unfazed, as they clearly deal with both soft and hard polytheists alike! I have even had a god tell me (indirectly, in a way) that what I call them doesn't matter, as they remain the same regardless of my interpretations.
I really enjoy your work! I’m so glad I was able to find this channel. I sometimes feel a bit weird because as a former Christian, I have to explain to some of my still Christian friends that no, I do still believe that the persons of the Trinity are real. In particular, I would consider Jesus among the last of the demigods or at lease deified humans. However, given that as far as we are aware, exclusivity is demanded, I no longer worship them though I acknowledge them. They have a really hard time grasping that I acknowledge their existence even though I separate out a lot of the claims made. I for instance tend to consider the Unmoved Mover properties to require such transcendence as to disqualify the Abrahamic god as conceptualised in Christianity.
So do you believe the Christian God was just another god that tried to claim more authority than He rightfully had? No disrespect intended I just find that idea interesting.
@@FlyingAlfredoSaucer I’m not even necessarily certain that the Christian (or Abrahamic) god did, that it was left more to the religious establishment to eventually do so.
8:31 this sounds like a war between the mandalorians and the Jedi since jedi have the ability to pear into the future and have reflexes better than a cats
Okay. I wasn’t sure about the channel at first. I’m a little jaded when it comes to following folks these days. But, after my fellow Mississippian and soldier Bjorn recommended you, I’m at home, now. Thank you!
I wish we had the whole of Cicero's text--or that he'd been able to finish it, perhaps. On the Nature of the Gods could have been many a conversation I've had on Twitter today, and it's tantalizing that we're missing much of his discussion on providence.
Yeah there's a whole section of On the Nature of the Gods that's just missing. It's frustrating to realize that when reading it, because the missing section likely discusses the Skeptic's view on the Gods, which I would have loved to read.
This is rather interesting to see your viewpoint on this. I actively worship the Æsir mostly, but also many of the Vanir as well as some Jotunar like Skadi
I am so glad I came by this channel just by happenstance you were the only person I've ever heard speak of any kind of religion or gods or anything like that that I actually think makes sense awesome channel
One thing i have enjoyed so very much about your videos is how fun you make our religion. Yes it is serious but doesnt need to be all fire and brimstone like others. It makes it more approachable and a bit easier to understand.
Amazing video as always, Ocean! Loved all the puns at the beginning (especially the "low-key" one just after the intro.) I've been checking out and considering polytheism (esp. Heathenry) for a while now, but I haven't fully entered into practice yet. I definitely lean towards Rokkatru in some regards. With Loki and family certainly playing a big role in that, but also Skađi. (Ægir and Rán too, loved your video on them by the way.) Though I am not just interested in Rokkr, I have a general interest in, like, everything Norse. So Æsir and Vanir get some love too. As for Gods outside of Heathenry, I'd definitely take some form of syncretism (if I'm using the word right.) I could probably incorporate some Kemeticism and Hellenism. My favorite non-Norse Gods come from there. (I must have some sort of Chthonic bias since they're Anubis, Thanatos, and Hades.) Honestly, the only hard exceptions I could think of would be the Abrahamic gods. I'm not interested in the whole exculsive worship thing. (Edited some grammar and phrasing.)
Ocean, that was good. Especially the beginning. Something in your speaking of the importance of nature. I always liked a lot of stories and songs from the Norse, and the Danes, and because, though yes they raided, they did more trading and into the Celtic lands, they also settled. The music and artwork showed that, then DNA proved it. But, until the christians came, they, like the natives here in the americas, held wolves and ravens, crows, well, all corvids, as good. They respected their intelligence, never drove them away. More often they were hailed, welcomed. As all the corvids can mimic any sound as well, if not better than parrots, I'd imagine that would have impressed people. Plus how daring they are. And wolves, well obviously they were admired. Probably fed, tamed, as we have dogs, lol. But some of the old music is often dedicated to them. 👍💖🥰✌😷🎃
First of ;) manny brightest of blessings to you and your loved onse. My niece has recommended your videos because i am very intrested in the path youhave chosen to walk. I was looking for information on the nors pantheon. But also the norse beliefs. Thank you for sharing you knowlige. I might have to listen to your vods more then once, because it is a lot to sink in ;) in anny case i am thankfull to being able to learn.🙏✌️
As a devotee of Heimdallr, I was disappointed yet again that this, bit not surprised, that this enigmatic God was not mentioned. I don't blame Ocean Keltoi for this, as honestly, Rigr could take up several episodes. I just hope that as I watch more episodes of these great discussions, my fulltrui will get a shout out (nudge nudge hint hint) ,
Firstly, I'm just starting my studies into Norse Paganism and this breakdown was very helpful. Thanks! Secondly, referring to certain Christians as "people who think their god is like Tigger--he's the only one" is just amazing. I actually laughed at that simile.
Just recently found your channel and love it so far, would you be willing to do a video on the different gods halls, like bilskirnir for thor or folkvangr for Freya i think thatd be a great video
Dude I carved Futhark runes onto oak disks. I'm just starting to study Asatru/Heathanism. Seeing the gods would be great. You should do some video's on Heathen meditations.
Hey man, new to this polytheism thing but I’m enjoying it and find it very interesting. Can you recommend more books on the subject, possibly reveal what all is sitting in that library behind you? Thanks!
The god in the Old Testament Bible even acknowledges the existence of other gods - it's in the very first of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". In other words, there are other gods, but the Biblical god is jealous and will not tolerate worship of these other gods. He is not saying that other gods do not exist, just that the believer must not acknowledge them or it will piss Bible God off and his retribution will be dire. This was also the Christian way of stamping out heathen or pagan belief - by making monotheistic belief of supreme importance with violations a deadly "sin".
-Natura Deorum (Cicero's mentioned book) mentions one 'sect of polytheists' that have physical gods, although it's mentioned in a satyrical way just to criticisize them: Epicureans. -Catholic Saints: they are asked for favors and people pray for their help (in different forms) - at least in Spain-so they seem to me really similar to ancestors.
Hey Ocean great video again, I agree a ton with a lot of your wisdom and discernment. I appreciate how you give credence to the reality of gods outside of your own tradition. When talking about the attributes of Yahweh I would like to suggest that the Bible does speak to his Omni attributes. I could give scripture references although I understand you might have the perspective that these could either be misinformed or untruthful. I know a lot of Christians would fit the camp of trying to tell you your wrong about your own perspective and cards on the table some of the stuff they might say I probably would give credence too however I don’t think it’s entirely kosher to just try to shove that down someone’s throat but appreciate your ideas of establishing reciprocity as a main goal when talking to others and of different perspectives. When looking at the gods as I mentioned in another post I think one could see evidence of this in the Bible. I think the whole idea of demons (I know this is offensive term so sorry for using it) is the biblical description of these other gods whose motives are not morally pure and in fact would be rather malevolent. I think one could at least see this concept in your own description of certain gods who are more powerful spiritual beings who seek harm towards others and humans in particular. Also I would just throw out there for thought a philosophical argument that if Yahweh is true creator God who is truly good then him describing these other beings or gods as evil moral agents is a description that can hold weight if one considers Him truthful and knowledgeable in these matters that are somewhat mysterious to us humans. Just food for thought, your content is awesomely insightful and once again I appreciate your intellect and way of communicating your thoughts and beliefs to us watching. Thanks for your time and dedication.
Myself and my Fiancé are both looking to learn more about norse paganism/ Heathenry. I wear the Valknut on a necklace as I have found it a bit more appealing I guess? Cant really explain why.
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I don’t have a “patron” deity as I feel it’s very orthodox Christian patron saint type thing to do, but if I did, Ægir would be it. Yes he’s a Jötunn, but he brews beer for the Gods. I’ve brewed beer for 12 years now and I’m currently very involved in the beer industry. I think it comes down to intent, and by all I’ve read Ægir’s intent is of good will toward the Æsir. In the Lokasenna it says Ægir’s hall is a place of peace.
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This whole comment makes me want to crack open a cold one. 🍺
@@oneeyedwilly8139 👍Prost that's how we Germans said it😁
@@marinakaiser7639 Prost!!! 🍻
@@oneeyedwilly8139 Thank you-Danke🍻
That opening brought a Tyr to my eye. Hela good. However, all those puns seem to have made you go Baldr somehow.
Alright, you lost Jörð time mister 😆
Even fit a roast in there. Nicely done.
Thor... Smite this Buffoonery down...
Ratatosk thinks this comment is quite nutty.
Eeyyy👍👍
"Not evil but the creator of all things..including evil." Loved that part.
And the comparison to Tigger had me wheezing
An opening with that many puns already signifies it’s going to be a good video.
Ocean Keltoi, God of Puns
As someone who is almost a year into Norse Heathenry I want to thank you for these videos as I find myself coming back to these videos over and over to find more and more knowledge in my journey thank you
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Hel is indeed "misunderstood" in modern times, because as Bryan Wilton wrote, her "sun-facing" aspects have been transferred to other goddesses. Many death goddesses also oversaw birth and life events, but now represent just one aspect.
the vibe of this video is immaculate
Gotta love the irony that Loki is a god associated with fire, yet in Marvel, they made him a Frost Giant. Did they even know about the Mythology?
Lee also used the wrong parent's name for Loki's frosty father. In Norse mythology, Farbauti is Loki's father and Laufey is his mother.
@@nachobidness2553 True, although in the actual mythology, Farbauti weren't nessecarily "frosty" since I don't know if it's ever confirmed what type of Jotun he was.
@@Lupinemancer87 I didn't mean to imply that Farbauti was a frost giant. I was referring to the Marvel Laufey as Loki's frosty father. This wiki excerpt is interesting: "If Fárbauti as 'dangerous striker' refers to 'lightning', the figure would appear to be part of an early nature myth alluding to wildfire (Loki) being produced by lightning (Fárbauti) striking dry tinder such as leaves (Laufey) or pine needles (Nál)."
@@nachobidness2553 Yes that's such a facinating aspect of Norse Myth. The Jotnar were nature forces :D
@@Lupinemancer87 More specifically, the larger, impersonal chaotic forces, as opposed to the more pastoral, local, and approachable Venir. I included the wiki quote because I found it to be an interesting interpretation. A lot of heathens quote the Eddas, but don't really speak much about the myths reflecting how our people perceived the world.
I really admire the approach that you and other pagans have towards the diversity of spiritual experience. As someone who found their way out of Christianity thanks to atheism, I nevertheless have a deep hunger for spirituality, but could never find a way to intellectually justify it. It turns out I am still thinking in terms of latent Christianity 😅 It seems that there is a whole range of options between Christianity and atheism.
Sounds more to me like you're agnostic. I am as well, and also a former Christian, but thanks to this channel (and my own interest, casual as it is, in the subject) I'm finding myself more drawn to Norse paganism.
I'm in exactly that position too. It's helping me a lot to watch stuff like this, and to think back to the time before I became a Christian, when I was probably the most genuinely open-minded I've ever been. Beliefs like this make much more sense to me, as they actually connect to the land and relate to the group living there, whilst not being exclusive.
Full honestly i almost yelled SHUT UP DAD during those opening puns. 135/100
Perfect!
This is honestly really nice.
Having multiple, distinct yet fluid gods mirrors the fluid complexity of reality that just doesn't fit into nice boxes. Especially in a time before the mechanization of the universe, this wouldn't have been a problem for believers. And its nice that you aren't trying to take these ideas, concepts, and views and MAKE them fit into modern, mechanistic boxes. I like that.
Your videos are always a breath of fresh air compared to the Christian theology and apologetics I am around so often. Even though I don't believe, I still find myself always coming back to your videos.
Keep going and I hope your channel keeps up the momentum
Really appreciating the break from laughing throughout the entire video on this one. The music was so calming.
Not a pagan, not a Christian. But damn do I love this show and his puns. Great work, really loved the story of the bear!!👍👍👍☺️☺️
As someone who is new to the faith, this helped alot. And also has answered some questions I had. Always hungry for more knowledge, I look forward to the next video 😎🍻
Thanks ocean,truly
I saw a video by Arith harbor (sp?) That changed my perspective on Jormangand, from giant evil snake, to a midgard protector villainized by Christian writers. So, I offer prayer to Jormangand to help protect me from snakes at my job.
And its actually worked! At least I think it has worked.
That's quite interesting. What do you normally offer Jormangand?
Arith Harger
@@mariafury1047 Arith Härger ä = ae, it is one of the three letters that only excists in north germanic alphabets and in some non indo-european languages like in hungarian, finnish, estonian, and so on. Ä=aa, Ä= ae Ö= oe,
@@marcusfridh8489 I am aware of the correct spelling as I am studying Old English. However, my ipad doesn’t can’t do what is necessary and I didn’t have time to cut and paste.
@@mariafury1047 does your iPad not do the long press on the a to give the different forms? Usually, that works for Android.
When I was younger and didn’t believe in this the more concrete way I do now (half-joking half-seriously: Mythological studies radicalized me into paganism), I was fascinated by the idea of polytheism because I have this inclination to classify things into little groups and lists. I loved going on deep dives of old and new religions and seeing what every deity was in charge of what, what where their stories and relations to one another and where they “lived”… sometimes I would even rewrite my own mythology. For some time, I was quite enamored with the idea of Thor and Sif being star crossed lovers during the Aesir-Vanir war - I was writing Asatru Fanfic, basically. How embarassing...
Okay but like that's like the best way you /could/ be a polytheist. You aren't letting the faith stagnate: Ancient faiths would change the stories and write new ones all the time. You're just continuing the oldest tradition any faith has: Telling stories about the gods.
Really informative. One of my favourite things about Heathenry is that there is no central authority, it’s a personal journey - but that does mean that it can be hard to understand the stories and the Gods.
That was a really, really impressive pun. Then you tied it in with a final Loki pun. You write a damn good script for your videos too. Hail to you Ocean!
Thank you, your channel has changed my life!
I'm a devout Christian. I have no idea why your channel was recomended to me but I've enjoyed your videos. Keep up the good work.
Loved the intro. Some time ago, I was having a think and it occurred to me that house mice might be the physical embodiment of ancestor spirits. If for no other reason than they have been living with us since we started storing grain and having permanent shelters.
The last time I told someone I was polytheist with no other explanation they asked if I was Buddhist. I politely told them no, Norse polytheist, then they noticed my Morning amulet and were pretty stunned yet curious. Had a good chat with them on my spiritual beliefs vs his as an evangelist. I was kinda surprised when he told me to have my gods bless me, it was kinda touching to hear from a Christian.
Buddhism is weird to consider polytheistic, there is no "god" let alone multiple
Just wanted to say keep up the good work. Felt it was important to pay respects when seeing good arguments both for and against and even more importantly the different perspectives and respect for differences of opinions.
Love the word pay in the opening.
Yes hes sneaky!!
3:34 when i presented freya the drawing i made her to symbolize her in my altar, i felt such an overwhelming presence, i got hazy and almost fainted 😭 i could tell she received it
'Orrible atheist visiting from Ali's spot to feed a techgremlin to the algorithm. Unless you want a bite? **Techgremlin squirming intensifies**
You should definitely be Bragi-ing about this video. I Idunna know how you keep making such quality work.
This video is simply brilliant and so helpful! Thank you!
This is such a phenomenal video with a great over view and several jumping off points for more in depth reflection.
One of the things I've most been drawn to is the idea of order vs. chaos. I read a series of books growing up that made me cognizant of it being as much a way of parsing the world as good vs. evil. I love how you describe the Jotun as chaotic, not necessarily evil. The world is such a varied and nuanced place, and that's what's so beautiful about it.
This is a very well done video. Thank you very much for going through the effort to deliver this!
I love the background music, though it often reminds me of how my old church always had calming music playing while we listened every Sunday morning. 🤣 it always has been, and still is, calming to listen to while people talk.
Just found this channel and this is my 3rd video so far. I love this kind of stuff
Is it possible the Vanir are more interested/involved in the happenings with elves and dwarves? This would explain Freyr's tooth gift and the Aesir being chiefly involved with humanity.
I find the Landwights interesting, some pagans with animistic beliefs have sacred trees or sacred places that they avoid disturbing because of their connection to spirits but the Norse were busy settlers. They killed animals, they cut down trees, they mined the land etc. I wonder how they reconciled exploiting resources with acknowledging nature spirits.
They cut down trees, they ate their lunch, they went to the lavatory. On Wednesdays they went shopping, and had buttered scones for tea!
I have a few guesses as to how that might've played out. Keep in mind that I haven't done reasearch, so this is all speculation.
Though places or particular things were considered sacred, it may be the case that not all were - as such resources would be gathered from more profane areas.
It is also possible that the use of a resource might be held sacred in itself. Such as wood having a sacred use as protection in the construction of sheilds or house building. The same could be said for medicinal plants for healing.
Some people were also probably just dicks and harvested sacred things or from sacred spaces despite their sacred status.
In other traditions we tend to see prayers and sacrifices being done to appease land/nature spirits in conjunction with hunting or lumbering as a sort of exchange. "We took this so to compensate and show appreciation we'll give you this." Obviously cutting down trees or digging a mine or killing animals is going to happen because we need the resources. The goal of the relationship between humans and the land spirits therefore is not one of total abstinence but rather one of balance. We are to not take more than is necessary and we are to express gratitude for what we take
You sound and look like a reborn nordic warrior and very wise man. In the past your soul was a ruler of a tribe in Europe, I can feel it. 👍
The beginning of this video was amazing the puns even better placed
I came to Ocean's channel back when he had only 4k subs, now I see 31k... This is amazing.
Rumor has it he's got a dozen doms or so he keeps to himself also...
10/10 on the puns at the beginning
And amazing video!! And I do count the saints as their own mini gods to people. I am still looking into saint things and things like that. Love the video!
That opening statement alone is worth enough for my thumbs up.
I've often thought that there may be universal essences or beings with different characters that are given different forms in different cultures but are the same. So Odin and Zeus, or Tyr and Mars, for example, may just be different faces from different cultures for the same essential beings.
Epic vid is epic 🔥🔥🔥
Okay, I'm definitely loving your videos! You're engaging me and challenging preconceived notions driven into me by fundamentalist beliefs. This is EXACTLY what I need right now! 💖💖💖
I love your videos, and I love this one above all others I've watched. Thank you.
Wow, thank you!
The kind of "overwhelming" power felt from a spiritual experience is something I feel whenever I look out at nature. Just observing and taking in the Natural world, in like a forest or by a river or what have you, gives me the same overwhelming feeling one would get in a spiritual experience. This is what has lead me to animism, and more specifically Shinto. Your videos are awesome and I appreciate them. My patron deity, if I have one, is Amaterasu, the goddess of the Sun and Queen of all creation
Your videos help me understand this all much better. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your content. As someone very new to Norse beliefs, and very lost, having content that explains complex concepts in understandable words is incredibly helpful. Still, I have quite a basic but central question: If the Gods are not (entirely) physical and do not reside in specific places, why are the depicted, not only in contemporary and ancient art, but in the poetic stories, has having a form, a body, a face, objects, such as weapons and clothes, and living in realms? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the God shift between many forms, and embody human concepts (law, order, justice, love etc.) and natural phenomena (lightning, snow, wind, etc.), but they also have a (human-like) form, correct? If not, why is it so common to find in altars wood carved in the (physical) image of Thor, for instance? Probably there is something I missed regarding this in the video. Thanks in advanced if someone can explain this to me.
The intro card on this was fantastic and I love it so much
I think a couple of months ago on a video I said I’d like to hear more about landwights and you have very graciously provided that and so much more.
Also I like to think of Christianity as like a Zoroastrian fanfic, it seems like that’s where they got all their best ideas, the Bible was the original fanfic and nobody can change my mind.
I agree and will be sharing that sentiment with others. the first fanfic is a humorous description!
It is more of a fanfiction about Judaism that got really popular
Really liked this. I guess my outstanding (unanswerable?) question is where the boundaries between the gods are? Are the Norse "Sol", Anglo-Saxon "Sunne", Celtic "Sulis" and Baltic "Saule" the same "entity", for example? They're all Sun Goddesses [probably] from a common linguistic root, but that doesn't necesarily mean they are the same goddess.
in case you aren't aware of these terms: "hard polytheist" and "soft polytheist", the former position would say that all those gods Are distinct entities, while the latter would say that they are all different names for the same goddess.
Yes if you are a soft polytheist that believes that every god is related to each and one singular being. Another example: Hephaestus is Vulcan and they are the same being. No, if you are a hard polytheist that becomes that they are separate beings due to them being in different cultures and the cultures viewing them differently. Example: Hephaestus is not Vulcan due to Hephaestus is Greek, Vulcan is Roman. They both have similar characteristics but different and separate
Well they evolved from the same God but with difference mythologies and worship. Each have their own cultural beliefs on how they act and function.
@@covenawhite4855 That is a soft polytheist worldview of deities or singularity of all gods just being one god but different in terms of regional mythologies, cultural beliefs and how they act / function in terms of said cultural worldview. It becomes henotheistic or soft polytheistic really fast
I mean, I personally think that gods can "split off" or "give birth" to other gods that are very similar, or at the very least can be multifaceted and understood by different people in different ways. I think it very much depends on exactly how different the god is understood. If they could, within reason, be considerably similar to the point they have only one or two differences, I may argue they are the same, understood differently because of cultural differences (for example, a culture adopting another cultures god but using a different name or using their own methods of worship/ritual). But for the most part, it seems like some people do get a little carried away with combining gods 😅 depends on your own ideas, though! To each their own, the gods are likely unfazed, as they clearly deal with both soft and hard polytheists alike! I have even had a god tell me (indirectly, in a way) that what I call them doesn't matter, as they remain the same regardless of my interpretations.
OMG... Tigger god had me in stitches! LOL! Thank you for that wondrous analogy. The rest is great as well!
My dog Charlie got very serious and has her paw on my hip in a very "human" way when Fenrir was mentioned.
We are going to end the world. 🖤
I love your play on words intro!
Man how have i only just found your content. Love the channel and your work 👍
This is gonna be neat
I really enjoy your work! I’m so glad I was able to find this channel.
I sometimes feel a bit weird because as a former Christian, I have to explain to some of my still Christian friends that no, I do still believe that the persons of the Trinity are real. In particular, I would consider Jesus among the last of the demigods or at lease deified humans. However, given that as far as we are aware, exclusivity is demanded, I no longer worship them though I acknowledge them. They have a really hard time grasping that I acknowledge their existence even though I separate out a lot of the claims made. I for instance tend to consider the Unmoved Mover properties to require such transcendence as to disqualify the Abrahamic god as conceptualised in Christianity.
So do you believe the Christian God was just another god that tried to claim more authority than He rightfully had? No disrespect intended I just find that idea interesting.
@@FlyingAlfredoSaucer I’m not even necessarily certain that the Christian (or Abrahamic) god did, that it was left more to the religious establishment to eventually do so.
@@tenkaikagaya ah I see
8:31 this sounds like a war between the mandalorians and the Jedi since jedi have the ability to pear into the future and have reflexes better than a cats
Okay. I wasn’t sure about the channel at first. I’m a little jaded when it comes to following folks these days. But, after my fellow Mississippian and soldier Bjorn recommended you, I’m at home, now. Thank you!
Just found this channel. Outstanding! I wish I'd found you sooner
Glad you enjoy it!
Absolutely incredible! I'm saving this video for future reference material! Thank you so much!
Just stumbled across your videos, honestly the puns make my day LOL
I wish we had the whole of Cicero's text--or that he'd been able to finish it, perhaps. On the Nature of the Gods could have been many a conversation I've had on Twitter today, and it's tantalizing that we're missing much of his discussion on providence.
Yeah there's a whole section of On the Nature of the Gods that's just missing. It's frustrating to realize that when reading it, because the missing section likely discusses the Skeptic's view on the Gods, which I would have loved to read.
This is rather interesting to see your viewpoint on this. I actively worship the Æsir mostly, but also many of the Vanir as well as some Jotunar like Skadi
I am so glad I came by this channel just by happenstance you were the only person I've ever heard speak of any kind of religion or gods or anything like that that I actually think makes sense awesome channel
Excellent play on words In the intro! Respect !
One thing i have enjoyed so very much about your videos is how fun you make our religion. Yes it is serious but doesnt need to be all fire and brimstone like others. It makes it more approachable and a bit easier to understand.
Amazing video as always, Ocean!
Loved all the puns at the beginning (especially the "low-key" one just after the intro.)
I've been checking out and considering polytheism (esp. Heathenry) for a while now, but I haven't fully entered into practice yet. I definitely lean towards Rokkatru in some regards. With Loki and family certainly playing a big role in that, but also Skađi. (Ægir and Rán too, loved your video on them by the way.) Though I am not just interested in Rokkr, I have a general interest in, like, everything Norse. So Æsir and Vanir get some love too.
As for Gods outside of Heathenry, I'd definitely take some form of syncretism (if I'm using the word right.) I could probably incorporate some Kemeticism and Hellenism. My favorite non-Norse Gods come from there. (I must have some sort of Chthonic bias since they're Anubis, Thanatos, and Hades.)
Honestly, the only hard exceptions I could think of would be the Abrahamic gods. I'm not interested in the whole exculsive worship thing.
(Edited some grammar and phrasing.)
Probably my favorite video you've done. Excellent
That intro was just about the best thing I've seen in a minute XD
9:57 She was so well beloved that she was given her own realm to rule over, and was even allowed to name it after herself.
Ocean, that was good. Especially the beginning. Something in your speaking of the importance of nature. I always liked a lot of stories and songs from the Norse, and the Danes, and because, though yes they raided, they did more trading and into the Celtic lands, they also settled. The music and artwork showed that, then DNA proved it. But, until the christians came, they, like the natives here in the americas, held wolves and ravens, crows, well, all corvids, as good. They respected their intelligence, never drove them away. More often they were hailed, welcomed. As all the corvids can mimic any sound as well, if not better than parrots, I'd imagine that would have impressed people. Plus how daring they are. And wolves, well obviously they were admired. Probably fed, tamed, as we have dogs, lol. But some of the old music is often dedicated to them. 👍💖🥰✌😷🎃
The stream of puns in the beginning of pure poetry my friend
"Lo-ki, that was a solid opening" 😆🙈 it's like being taught about heathenry by my dad
First of ;) manny brightest of blessings to you and your loved onse. My niece has recommended your videos because i am very intrested in the path youhave chosen to walk. I was looking for information on the nors pantheon. But also the norse beliefs. Thank you for sharing you knowlige. I might have to listen to your vods more then once, because it is a lot to sink in ;) in anny case i am thankfull to being able to learn.🙏✌️
Straight to pun jail for that intro, mister.
nuuuuuu
@@OceanKeltoi PUNishment
As a devotee of Heimdallr, I was disappointed yet again that this, bit not surprised, that this enigmatic God was not mentioned. I don't blame Ocean Keltoi for this, as honestly, Rigr could take up several episodes. I just hope that as I watch more episodes of these great discussions, my fulltrui will get a shout out (nudge nudge hint hint) ,
New too channel thank you for helping me to better understanding in spiritual practice
Another great talk
Ok, you get a LIKE just for all of those great PUNS at the beginning!
Firstly, I'm just starting my studies into Norse Paganism and this breakdown was very helpful. Thanks!
Secondly, referring to certain Christians as "people who think their god is like Tigger--he's the only one" is just amazing. I actually laughed at that simile.
I really enjoy your videos. Really educational and inspiring..
Just recently found your channel and love it so far, would you be willing to do a video on the different gods halls, like bilskirnir for thor or folkvangr for Freya i think thatd be a great video
u are my new favorite youtuber!
Dude I carved Futhark runes onto oak disks. I'm just starting to study Asatru/Heathanism. Seeing the gods would be great. You should do some video's on Heathen meditations.
Hey man, new to this polytheism thing but I’m enjoying it and find it very interesting. Can you recommend more books on the subject, possibly reveal what all is sitting in that library behind you? Thanks!
Wow 32k subs! Man your channel is growing Soo fast
Things seem to be going well.
Other than watching these videos to gather more info for my Heathen path. The clever jokes thrown in there kill me hahaha love it
Very skillfully put.
amazing job ,very good i liked
My morning coffee has become a spiritual experience.
Thank the gods and thank the turtle himself!
Great video! 🙂👍
(I think that Tigger is Loki, btw. 🙂 In that he's "the only one" for me! 🙂)
I love your videos, help me understand more of my path. I personally follow the wisdoms of Tyr and Hel.
The god in the Old Testament Bible even acknowledges the existence of other gods - it's in the very first of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". In other words, there are other gods, but the Biblical god is jealous and will not tolerate worship of these other gods. He is not saying that other gods do not exist, just that the believer must not acknowledge them or it will piss Bible God off and his retribution will be dire. This was also the Christian way of stamping out heathen or pagan belief - by making monotheistic belief of supreme importance with violations a deadly "sin".
You sneaky wordsmith! I heard what you did during the intro. 😁
-Natura Deorum (Cicero's mentioned book) mentions one 'sect of polytheists' that have physical gods, although it's mentioned in a satyrical way just to criticisize them: Epicureans.
-Catholic Saints: they are asked for favors and people pray for their help (in different forms) - at least in Spain-so they seem to me really similar to ancestors.
@Ocean, question have you heard of “Overly Sarcastic Productions” and if so what do you think of there videos on Norse topics
Hey Ocean great video again, I agree a ton with a lot of your wisdom and discernment. I appreciate how you give credence to the reality of gods outside of your own tradition. When talking about the attributes of Yahweh I would like to suggest that the Bible does speak to his Omni attributes. I could give scripture references although I understand you might have the perspective that these could either be misinformed or untruthful. I know a lot of Christians would fit the camp of trying to tell you your wrong about your own perspective and cards on the table some of the stuff they might say I probably would give credence too however I don’t think it’s entirely kosher to just try to shove that down someone’s throat but appreciate your ideas of establishing reciprocity as a main goal when talking to others and of different perspectives. When looking at the gods as I mentioned in another post I think one could see evidence of this in the Bible. I think the whole idea of demons (I know this is offensive term so sorry for using it) is the biblical description of these other gods whose motives are not morally pure and in fact would be rather malevolent. I think one could at least see this concept in your own description of certain gods who are more powerful spiritual beings who seek harm towards others and humans in particular. Also I would just throw out there for thought a philosophical argument that if Yahweh is true creator God who is truly good then him describing these other beings or gods as evil moral agents is a description that can hold weight if one considers Him truthful and knowledgeable in these matters that are somewhat mysterious to us humans. Just food for thought, your content is awesomely insightful and once again I appreciate your intellect and way of communicating your thoughts and beliefs to us watching. Thanks for your time and dedication.
Myself and my Fiancé are both looking to learn more about norse paganism/ Heathenry. I wear the Valknut on a necklace as I have found it a bit more appealing I guess? Cant really explain why.
Awesome video! Very educational
You're a great storyteller. Also...I dig the puns so much. 😂
Keep up this good work, vän!