Intersection design, the Dutch - cycle friendly - way
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- [Ep. 120] The Dutch build cycle paths that continue on their intersections. They must have wider streets, right? Wrong! This video shows how these so-called "Protected Intersections" are built, no extra space is needed.
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A real-life example of this protected intersection design is shown in the following video: • Intersection reconstru...
It also makes driving a lot more pleasant by making it clear where you need to look for cyclists.
And because more people will cycle, the roads will contain fewer cars and be nicer to drive on.
It's really a win-win.
That's why the hate from motorists is so weird.
Exactly. It makes driving saver and more relaxed FOR ALL. And if its done correctly cars don't get cyclists in their way either. My city for example has bicycle tunnels that go under a busy road...so no bikes near cars at all. Its not only relaxed and save...its efficient cause bikes get to the city centre faster then a car would. And with less traffic and no bikes the cars flow better as well. Whats not to love?
@@maaiker2977 i've seen that in Leiden quite a bit, with the cycling tunnels.
@@dutchdykefinger In Zwolle we have it near the hospital....the ambulance hardly has any traffic lights to deal with. All cyclists go underground or next to the road. So an ambulance can get off the highway and just drive on towards the hospital. There are like 3 tunnels on that one bit of road. Every intersection has a tunnel. Only the parts where pedestrians should also have a way to get to the hospital has traffic lights. Thats smart.
I know, I feel like I'm constantly doubting my shoulder checks and just flailing my head around like an idiot
Whatever you do, don't remove this video! I keep showing it around and many Toronto cyclists and city planners are starting to understand it and are promoting it. I heard the latest objection to them, that the blind would encounter a traffic island and assume they reached the other side of the road. Then I rewatched the video and noticed the little orange rectangles. You already thought of this and included the textured strips for the blind to be safe. Fantastic!
+Doug Wedel Also, all the crossings that I have encountered that are like this, have traffic lights on the traffic islands as well. Those have a "ticking" noise that lets you know when it's red/orange/green. I guess you probably have a similar system over there. It ticks slowly when red, then very fast when it's green and slows down when it's orange and finally slow again when it's red. Recently, with so many people buried in their smartphone I notice the ticking noise is used by a lot of people who are not blind. :P
It is dangerous for people who are blind and also those who are intellectually disabled. Shared space is dangerous for vulnerable pedestrians. A toucan crossing is dangerous for vulnerable pedestrians. Little orange triangles mean nothing if you can see them. Here is a novel idea how about dismounting and cross by foot
@@GJFK1 The orange spots are not orange in real life, they are special tiles with ribs on it that blind people can feel with their cane so they know they are at a crossing.
@@apolloxiii5574 Have you asked them as I have. They don't think it's good at all.
@@apolloxiii5574 I am a disability activist and I know exactly what tactile paving is. The pros and cons of it. Fir starters not all blind people can feel it. Seconly its a cheap get out for the developer. The tactile paving and ramps so its disability friendly. Thats rubbish I read tactile paving with my feet as I have taught how to and I am a sighted person. I have many friends who are not so I ask them and they say its not as great as people think at all.
This 10 year old video about dutch roads makes me feel like us in America live in the stone age
not only tAmerica... we in Germany - the neighbour to the Dutch - don't have comparable junktions...
Maaan, think of 3rd world countries, such as Bangladesh. We don't even have a cycle lane. 😭
These junctions are hardly ever placed like this anymore. Even ten years ago these had fallen out of grace. We have moved on to roundabouts for single lane roads and traffic light controlled junctions for bigger connecting roads. The traffic light controlled junctions will give cyclist a green light seperate from crossing traffic turning right. A lot of traffic light controlled junctions are getting smarter with talking traffic and there are even sensors placed at most junctions with traffic lights that see a cyclist aproaching the traffic lights.
@@dutchdrifter8740 these junctions are still an improvement to (for example) American roads though. Switching to the latest and best design immediately isn't possible, while switching to the junctions in this video is a relatively small change that hardly requires any changes to the infrastructure, mostly just some paint.
Cries in Australian
Ten years later and I still haven't seen anything approaching this kind of safety in North America.
Impossible. You have a "Caution: Contents Hot" label on almost every coffee cup.
An intersection (Escarpment Blvd and Lacrosse Avenue) in my neighborhood in Austin Texas was just upgraded with these improvements. Google maps satellite view doesn't yet show the improvements, but they are almost identical to what is shown in this video. And they work *really* well. My kids bike to elementary school through this intersection every morning.
Also not here in germany where these pedestrians and cyclists are the natural enemies of the gifted motorists.
@@matteofalduto766 Well, you see, the difference there is that automotive manufacturers and oil tycoons aren't lobbying against safe coffee.
Sadly there is no bicycles that can hold the weight of an american
I live in the Netherlands and this works great.
It just needs some shark teeth yield lines to clearly mark which traffic has to yield for who.
As a dutchie, this sounds like a medieval movie
What about the exact place where the cyclist stops? Is it the way it is presented at 1:37 ? What about another cyclist moving from down to top? Isn`t the cyclist who is waiting in his way blocking him?
@@d0nny_106 no you drive around eachother
@@d0nny_106 Yes, sometimes this happens and then the cyclists coming from behind need to wait a bit before they can move on. Usually cyclists have priority so the waiting is not too long. And most intersections have more space to allow for cyclists to pass each other.
Yield to whom*
I'm a car-loving American and I love this. I share this with my anti-car friends as an easily implementable solution that works for everyone.
The beauty of it that the cars don't 'lose' anything, so there shouldn't be any objections.
im happy to hear you have anti-car friends
boo cars! just keeding, that's for sharing a solution that works for all of us.
Cars are here to stay, as much as I’m anti-car myself. We need to learn how to share, and I hope you can convince more car people to be like yourself!
In the long run I think those of us who don’t want to drive will take safe, alternate options (if they exist!) to free the road for car lovers and those who really need them!
As someone from the Netherlands, I am completely mindblown at how inferior roads are in foreign countries.
They gotta take lessons from us asap.
You also happen to have a much smaller country and thus much smaller motorway to actually maintain, and therefore for you allocating costs is much easier. But not every country can do this, things have a cost
@@pinakinkale Then do it gradually. Every time an intersection needs some maintenance, make some changes to improve safety. You can't tell me that a slightly different road layout is going to increase maintenance costs by a significant amount.
@@TheChrisForum you’re acting like we don’t do that…
Ik heb t idee dat dit bij iedereen in zn recommended komt nu
@@pinakinkale well if in 10 years there has been no improvement. Then clearly something has gone wrobg
As a Dutch person, I thought this was normal and widely used haha.
I mean, in the Netherlands it is
You fool, how come duch people not realize their supremicy.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 supreme slaves, the greatest slaves of all slaves.
@@TheRealSamPreece YEAH! They need *Spartacus* again lol😏 ⚔🚧
Alright this video is now officially 10 years old, I assume these crossings have been implemented everywhere by now right?
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
My city considered this. But 10 years later this is more than an idea and there is statistic evidence available, which sadly shows that this design isn't as good as it is shown here.
It doesn't help at all when trucks are involved, if I remember correctly it's even worse than, because due the angle the truck drivers have even more problems to see the bikers.
Additionally, this design is quite annoying for fast cyclist that want to go straight, for them it's like a speed bump to slow them down. What doesn't sound like a big problem leads to dangerous situations with bikes at different speeds and sizes.
@@frool76 Yeah well trucks are going to be a problem basically everywhere when combined with bicycles.. And same goes for cyclist who want to go fast haha :)
Norway use 10 years to plan roads, then another 10 years to build it, then another 10 years to fix the road they just built.
No. They're both unnecessary and wasteful.
Keep in mind that this is a basic design to give you an idea of how to make a junction safer for bicycles. Before any junction gets built they monitor it for the types of traffic that come through it. So if big rig trucks cross it on a regular basis the junction will be built in a way to accommodate them.
Yes, obviously, thank you, my mistake ;)
Mind that European trucks aren't as long and much more easy to maneavre than their American counterparts. Even the European trailers have steering axles on them in order to get around roundabouts and such.
As a good comparison you could play Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator back to back to get a good idea of how much more space is needed for American style traffic.
Simple, make the bicycle curbs mountable like the truck apron on roundabouts. Many intersections in cities already make the corners mountable.
@@AnthonyBrusca kinda counterproductive tbh :/
the curb is supposed to protect cyclists and pedestrians
the trucks can fuck right off ;)
@@fireskorpion396 if you don’t accommodate the trucks, don’t expect your food to arrive at the grocer or your bike parts to be delivered to the bike shop.
as a dutch person i can say driving feels alot more pleaseant because its alot easier to know where too look. and as a cyclist or pedestrian it is even easier.
We should forward this video to every council in the world
Russkiy Smiffy
That won't do any good..
It should be mandatory to be shown on all channels at prime time..
For a while (?)
We need to shame them into doing it..
And any wasted money cones out of their salaries
Not here in the Netherlands :)
They should be looking for it themselves...
well i won't hold my breath for this to happen in the US. it'd be easier trying to immigrate to the Netherlands!
we don't have space for all 300 million of you , so please keep working on your own environment
@@Blackadder75 hahaha.
@@Blackadder75 too late I'm already pauinting myself black so I can have free housing
@@MaQuGo119 Don't be surprised to be put into a silly suit in November and put onto a boat back to Spain in December. Longstanding tradition of how we treat people in blackface.
Well George, way to go solving your country's problems.
Don't forget it took us 50 years of design and work to reach our current situation.
Put in the effort, your (grand) children will love you for it.
I think that the Netherlands has the most organized roads compared to other countries I've been to. I love how there are signals for every direction, like I've never seen a red arrow before! I personally prefer the european placement of traffic signals, which is usually at the stop line itself. In North America we have them on the other side of the intersection. Too often though I see people stopping on the crosswalk and not at the stop line.
I noticed that as well when watching series/movies, documentaries or just crash compilations in the US. "Why are the traffic signals all the way over there?" Was my first thought. I never looked it up, but it still seems weird to make them harder to see by putting them that far away.
I think the best solution is not changing their location though, roundabouts are better than signals in loads of situations. Incorporate cycle lanes in them as well and you have a design that can last a few decades.
I totally agree. I spent 6 months in the Netherlands and the system for pedestrians, cyclists and motorists is vastly better than where I live (in the UK).
Just to give a typical example of UK cycle lane "design"... Near my house on the main road the council put in a cycle lane. Was it separated from car traffic? No. Was it free from hazards like drains? No. Was it "new" space for cyclists? No! All it was, was a narrow "lane" marked off at the side of road with a dashed line.
Oh, and in the 6 years since it had been there, I have never seen the cycle lane free of parked cars. Not even once!
The north american way for placing stop lights is really stupid.
Wait. You guys don't have arrows? I thought that it was such an obvious thing to do that everyone would do it! Guess I was wrong :/
Couldn't the US traffic lights be so you can see it in any vehicle? Also with very closed roof? This way you dont need as much upward angle to look at it, it's more straight?
This is said by a person that has the overhead stop lights and hasn't checked any wikipedia
How to convince my city hall that this is the way to go. Stop pitting mode of transport against each other and instead use infra to ease tension and improve safety...
keep asking for this again and again. If they never hear from you, it will not change
They're just using the same strategy as a populist. Pit one group of people against an other and make up a few nonsense arguments while you run of with the money from big oil companies.
Convince people around you first. And make them convince others. Someday there will be pressure from a big group instead of just you.
It won't change without grassroots pressure. In the Netherlands this happened in the 70s when the government was tearing down city blocks for massive highway projects and people didn't like it. Then when children started getting run over there were massive protests and the government went for Plan B. It's only like this in the Netherlands now because of those protests 50 years ago.
Determination. Dont sit arround, go do.
It starts with separate cycle lanes, encourages people to use more bikes, but also develops into the countries' psyche. Just returned from Denmark where, because everyone owns and uses a bike, the bike is king. Car users stop at junctions for cyclists to allow them to pass first. Can be very confusing for the UK cyclist!
It truly is all about the mindset. The council have gone for the soft approach where I live in the UK by painting bikes on main roads which is discouraging to new cyclists. We simply find alternative routes.
You might disagree but what I learned through the years living in and visiting the UK is that the so called "British politeness" is everywhere except in traffic. Most people act "I have the right of way (or I think I do) so YOU have to wait".
What they did in my country since the pandemic, is the government reimburses 50% of the bike’s price, up to I think €1200 to help the many people who dont want to take the bus or train anymore because of corona and to encourage car users to buy bikes. I cant remember the numbers but bike usage went up quite a lot.
It starts with grassroots protests followed by protective legislation. That's what happened in the Netherlands in the 70s and this is just one example of the 50 years of infrastructure innovation that followed. If you want motorists to take the safety of lighter transportation into account, start by holding them accountable for accidents involving them and cyclists/pedestrians. Before long they will start driving more carefully (because they don't want to spend decades paying for someone's medical bills in the worst case scenario) and even motorists will want safer roads and junctions to reduce the chances of them running someone over.
This should be a required watch for any traffic engineering and urban design classes.
@bbeirinckx that is why in the Netherlands each direction has its own green phase. Not only traffic from left or right, oncoming traffic usually has a different green phase too. So the flows do not interfere. The same goes for pedestrians and bicycles that have different green phases. This does not mean there have to be long waiting times. Combining directions very differently than usual in other countries makes that possible.
It's truly amazing how much of a difference just a little bit of color and a few more lines can make!
This is great! As a car driver, I've always felt the weird crisscross turn lane design wasn't very safe for cyclists. I'd love to see these types of intersections start taking their place.
Great explanation! Laying out the design step-by-step, along with the improvements of sight lines, makes the intersection design advantages really clear. I'm hoping someone behind NACTO is watching.
This video should be viral and every local government should be making up plans for enacting this or something as equally considered. It would change not only the use of bikes but the entire culture of the area its installed in for the better.
I need to watch this video again. Such a simple and effective design!
Lights are irrelevant in that case, because a cyclist going straight always has priority over turning traffic. That is the basic rule in the Netherlands (and most European countries). The cyclists the green path through the intersection and goes before turning motor traffic. Mostly in a different green cycle.
I think the potential danger here is that if a car is stopped in the middle of right turn to yield to a cyclist, after the cyclist passes the car moves to complete their turn while simultaneously a second cyclist approaches from behind. The second cyclist proceeds to cross thinking the driver spotted them when in fact they did not.
@@jon9103 You can improve on this design even further by separating traffic lights for cars and cyclists. All cyclists can then get green and cross at once and drivers won't cross cyclists anymore, making it safer for cyclists and easier for drivers.
@@jon9103 In fact separate Phases of Green also improves traffic flow for the cars, as they do not have to check for the cyclists and are able to see, if they have alreade red. Something which is a bit unfortune is, the cyclists stopping at a red travvic light would block other cylists path. To stick to the example from the video, if traffic on the right side has red and has to stop, traffic from the bottom has green. Cyclists crossing from bottom to top are blocked in the upper right corner by those, who want to cross from right to left. There has to be some additional space for waiting cyclists to use the full potential of this concept. Downside is cyclist going long ways straigt have to cover quite some additional distance and turns for crossing a crossing kind of straight ...
@@justus8675 I understand that, it can make each phase more efficient for the reason you state, however that doesn't mean the increased efficiency of the phases is always enough to offset the reduction in the fraction of time allotted to each phase. The most obvious example would be a congested intersection that primarily serves automotive traffic that has sporadic bicycle traffic, sure this could be mitigated by a button so the cyclist phase is only used when it's actually needed (in the US this is sort of the defacto standard since cyclist often get lumped in with pedestrians or more accurately a gray area between pedestrians and vehicle traffic). The downsides of this is that the cross phase is often too long so cars are waiting even after everyone has crossed and cyclist often have to wait a full cycle before they get a green which could be four or five minutes if there are many phases.
My point isn't that there aren't good solutions, just that there aren't one size fits all solutions don't tend to actually fit all. The main challenge with accommodating cyclist is that there needs to be enough of them to justify the costs but with those accommodations few would choose to cycle so you end up with a chicken and egg type of problem.
@Mark Temperley Yeah, because it's the drivers who get hurt when they run over a cyclist.
@leftoverbacon the Dutch have to remove snow as well. And there are perfect solutions for clearing the cycle paths of debris, leaves and also snow.
@wankel7 No red is always stop. No turning anyway for anyone. We don't do stop signs much in Europe, only on junctions with limited vision, although every country has it's own rules and traditions.
seen these popping up in my community in ontario. please dont take this video down, i am sharing it with everyone i can to make sure they know how to use these intersections if they encounter one.
Keep doing what you're doing! This is a great resource! Your videos help us show cities how to build _proper_ bike lanes.
In England we put the pedestrian crossing on the inside, that way it's different from the Dutch design and we get to say it was our idea.
I have often written to my Toronto Councillor, my Mayor and city planners about putting bollards or barriers right up against the pedestrian crossing to prevent motorist from entering the bike lane as they turn right. Then I see the Dutch bike lanes have islands in the intersection that does exactly what I have in mind.
I am Dutch and live in a city (Zwolle) where there is a lot of these junctions. They are amazing. It is so clear and easy to pass a junction as a cyclist and you can anticipate traffic so easily as a car.
If you are traveling quickly (30kph) on a bicycle, doesn’t this type of intersection cause you to swerve to the right, then swerve back to the left? It does seem safer, but also seems quite hindering to the cyclists efficiency.
@@VictoryAviation Actually, 90% of all of these roundabouts are much broader and wider than shown in this video. It is easy to go 30km/h if you pay close attention to approaching cars. Also many of these roundabouts are truly circular, as well as the bicycle lanes, and that makes it even better
@@SuperDaxos That’s brilliant then! I live in Indianapolis, Indiana, USA (Home of the Indy500). I’m very pleased that we have more roundabouts than any other place in the United States. I much prefer the roundabout for safety and efficiency!
@@VictoryAviation Niceee. Yeah the US is too much focused on blocks and rectangles I guess haha. Perhaps we Dutch evolved like this in city planning as we really had to work efficient since we have a lot less space to work with. Every inch of land is organized here
@@SuperDaxos that’s a good point. I wish there were a lot more roundabouts over here. I wonder what the differences in construction costs are, especially considering roundabouts don’t need any light signals. That doesn’t even take into consideration the costs of wrecks caused by failure to yield accidents which account for most of the accidents occurring at 90° angle intersections.
notice: by the end, with the redesigned intersection, the path of the cars are completely unchanged. this intersection is literally better in every way.
I live in the Netherlands now and trust me it is way more safe and comfortable
When I lived in the Netherlands for 2 years and biked everywhere. I tried carrying this habit in other countries (even in cities with a supposedly good biking culture) but I couldn't. All the conflict and uncertainty is too much stress for my daily commute.
In Toronto, it's only this year, if we are on schedule, to start installation of the Dutch-protected intersections as the plans were introduced during public consultations about 1.5 years ago. However, I had noticed that one one major intersection, the protection had been removed on one corner. I wrote back to the planners who replied back "There are significant constraints related to space at that corner with the property line and many design options were explored. There are trade-offs related to accommodating large truck turns, cycling space, and pedestrian space. The bikeway physical separation, however, does extend to the intersection and the bike movement is fully signal separated from vehicle turns at that location. The design is not finalized and we will continue to explore opportunities for geometric improvements as we move towards implementation."
We outsmarted you’re whole community by drawing a few more lines more
Your*
Did you, personally?
Just came from Amsterdam - it is intelligent and it works! Cyclists are pretty aggressive but they follow the rules, so do pedestrians, so do vehicles. Did not see any conflict or serious close calls over 3 days - though there were minor "almost" collisions but no-one got upset - everyone just seems to respect each other. And the traffic lights - especially for pedestrians - are so logical that it makes my head spin why we did use them here. Especially in York Region where I live. There is an audible signal for pedestrians that changes as the time is about to expire - so you know exactly how long you have to get across the street - or decide to wait. Here in York Region if you don't push a specific button as a pedestrian you are not allowed to cross! And even if the green pedestrian light is on, it only lasts a few seconds and then the red hand goes up, even though there could be plenty of time for most people to cross. It is just mind boggling why we do not adopt more of these solutions - it seems we have this fixation on trucks and automobiles as king of the road.
I am happy to say that the urban Cultural Trail in Indianapolis has adopted the Dutch design connecting all 5 neighborhood districts. This may very well be the only design in existence anywhere in America. The Dutch model is the most practical model to follow I think. I wonder how many other cities in the world also uses this grade separation.
How is cycling in Indianapolis now? Has it improved in the last 9 years since you posted this message?
Wow! 9 years later. Well, since recently they have approved expansion of the cultural trail. The extension grade separation based on dutch model will extend along the following streets:
1. South Street
2. Indiana Avenue
3. 10 Street
Since 9 years ago Carmel a suburb north of Indianapolis also built the Monon Trail cycle path grade separation right through the center of town.
They will continue to use those special proper pavers for that smooth ride every one has been raving about. The great thing about the Indy Urban Cultural Trail is how it connects all the city district neighborhoods together in a consistent manner finally making it much more safe for cycling.
I haven been in other parts of the country other cities are slowly but finally doing this approach based on Dutch model. Another city I give my hats off to is Cambridge and parts of Boston. A very small stretch along the Delaware in Philly.
As a whole most US cities are still mostly using painted stripe method and road sharing between cyclists and auto traffic. We still have a very long way to go if we ever get to what the Netherlands have. It really depends in how serious each municipality takes when doing future planning of its bike paths. Since the the US doesn't do thing on a national level like the Netherlands the quality plan will vary from city to city. Portland for example has more cyclists and paths in numbers but most of those paths are poorly design being a far cry from what you'll find in the Netherlands or in the US like Cambridge, Ma or Indy Cultural Trail.
@@Itravelbackintime Happy to hear that at least continuous improvement is being made in parts of the US.
But it's a real shame nothing is done on a national level, especially with the big infrastructure plan. With 5% of its budget or so, you could achieve miracles in a short period of time. Should be a non-starter, because eventually you will be able to cut down substantially on car infrastructure.
I’ve cycled hundreds or thousands of times over these in my life, and never realized how cool and awesome this is.
what car-centric naysayers don't realize about making cities bike-friendly is it frees up traffic, and so you need smaller parking lots... which means more buildings and destinations can be built there. So the higher density of destinations means you don't NEED cars to go to places in the first place. Imagine having twice as many more places to go to in the same distance.
It's like when you stop drinking alcohol, you not only ingest less calories, but you're also less lethargic, so you WANT to be more active too.
Shouldn't this be obvious?
short answer: yes!
long answer: yeah!
Red Works stfu
Red Works you clearly have it 2 looking at your references haha
Great design has immense power over behavior, Red. Here's an example: 1) your city has a problem with drivers passing too close to people on bicycles 2) thus you install a whole bunch of protected cycleways, and retrofit a whole bunch of access streets with design that encourages 30km/h by brute and visual physicality 3) profit; people will no longer (or mostly, but the exceptions being at much lower speeds) preform this behavior of dangerous passing because they either literally can't, or the car is going the same speed.
Another example: protected cycleways along arterial roads. With all the cars behind you, and a huge ass bump to go over, I don't think you want to go over it at 60km/h to 'have a little text on your phone', or to hold up a whole bunch of drivers staring at you taking your sweat-sweat time over that vertical bump.
Another example: decoupling main cycling routes (e.g. cycleways along arterials) from main driving routes, and putting them through residential areas. There will be literally hundreds of windows staring down on these routes. The Dutch are now starting to decouple these two main networks.
Yes, they have to take the left turn in two operations, but each of those operations are quicker than a single left hand turn. You go straight when your lane has a green light, then turn and wait until the crossing lane gets a green light, which should be immediately afterwards.
Wow. I didn't realize this. This video has been on RUclips for a decade. I've been sharing it for almost that long. And we still don't have protected intersections in Toronto !! The city committed to install the obligatory one Dutch junction per city that is common in North America. It will get installed in 2022. That's like having one medical mask for a hospital. Dutch junctions are continuations of bike lane infra into the intersection, they go hand in hand. If a pair of streets warrant having bike lanes, then they deserve a protected intersection. I'm still pushing for them and still sharing this video with people. Whatever you do, don't take it down! :) Thanks for making this video!
Fabulous work. So normal for any Dutch person. So unknown to the rest of the world. Amazing.
Great visualisation! Good emphasis on the benefits and spatial economics.
In truth, the better cycling infrastructure may very well reduce the need for the aforementioned type of road anyway.
I was on vaccation in america, borrowed a bycicle of a friend. I entered an american style junction just like you have shown and purposely slowed down before crossing the right turn lane to Look back for a car. Right at that Moment a woman in an suv just passed me and Almost rolled me over.
Thats my biking experience in america. As weakest member on the street always Look out for mistakes of others.
Thanks for the clear explanation. I wasn't aware that this sort of junction doesn't use up more space.
Urban planners should have no excuse anymore not to use that junction design!
The only thing missing here is the reminder for all drivers that for every single more bicycle on the streets he will have one less car in front of him blocking the whole lane. Not to mention pollution.
Car drivers should be explained that they gain by having more cyclists around.
After all, what driver wouldn't want to get rid of the car in front... 😎
@@mourlyvold7655 the car tha's actually in front
@@renzo2able Haha. True that.
For every car taken off there is now a smelly, sweaty cyclist taking the lane because they're scared to death of cars? No thanks.
@@KiLLJoYRUclips you make zero sense!
In the Netherland you also have on almost every junction with lights that all the four sides of bikes go green at the same time and all cars have red light and if you go left on a bike you don't go first straight and then the left you just go diagonal
I love it! Another benefit is that the cyclist doesn't need to cross a lane of traffic and have cars on both sides of them
@nhunt i think the important point is that this is already working in practice, and what we have (in Toronto) is not working at all, and people are getting killed.
I would like to have those crossings here in Germany.
I'm sending this video to our city officials. Thank you..informative prospective on road design ..
Can't believe this is more than 10 years old. The information is so new to me.
The infrastructure itself is over 25 years old at this point. Imagine that.
Such a wonderful design
No need, cause when you create the place for pedestrians to cross and thereby move the stop line backwards, the truck will get more space to make a wide swing.
Usually the traffic lights are co-ordinated in such way that you can make that turn in 1 go because the other lights are green as well.
Grappig om te zien hoe onderzoekend/argwanend andere landen in de wereld staan tegenover ons fantastische fietsbeleid.
Manchester (UK) is building junctions to this design across the city.
After being on the losing end of a bicycle vs car accident in Canada due to the right hand turning car, I wish the bike path had been built like this...
Very good. Greetins from Spain.
The city planners in the Philippines really needs to see this
If only they have money
THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURE LESSON of the highest degree. We separate and order three types of velocities, crossings and recognize pedestrians, cyclists and drivers. It's witty and precise attacking the problem directly.
It may not be perfect..
But it is a lot better than what we have in most of the USA
That's exactly the point. This design isn't for every single situation, but it's loads better than most of the stuff out there and the ideas incorporated in it can be used in other designs.
Here in Arizona we have the same right of way as the cars excluding intercity highways. I feel so small when riding next to them; however I do enjoy the drafting. They also break the head wind if any. We do have some paths / lanes, but they are all half done with many missing parts.
@@Eric_Tennant I can understand a sporty and able person as yourself could appreciate mingling with the "big boys". In the Netherlands however we design with children and the elderly in mind. I'd hate to see them in such olympic conditions. Enjoy your ride anyway...
@@mourlyvold7655 Indeed
Thanks Dutch people. Just thanks.
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Install this absolutely bloody everywhere, and have HEAVY fines on anyone parking in the cycle lane.
Use the fines to pay for future cycle path expansion.
This is an amazing video! Thank you so much for making it. I'll try to show it to my city council.
Nice one, this might as well have been in Denmark! awesome!
I hope the creator is still active so he can see how much this vid blew up
They are :)
You better tell Biden this! LOL!
He is, check out his channel...
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An absolute classic, well done!
Turns on a red (for cars) are not allowed in most countries in the world, including in Holland.
That's amazing.
And here is another Dutch road junction example - in Den Bosch - put these coordinates into google maps and you see it: 51.683492, 5.294488.
Difficulty level for newcomers - extremly high. If you want to turn left - choose middle lane, go straight ahead - choose left lane, at least turning right is from the right lane. In some point you pass oncoming traffic from the left (not as usually from the right side).
wino0000006 ah you're too late to try that one... we fixed it: ruclips.net/video/RzmWxn1Sfz8/видео.html
Thank God - I passed this junction many times but it was 10 years ago - when I lived in NL for 1,5 year. When I saw it first time - it was like: what the hell is going on here - and of course - when I wanted to drive left, I drove straight.
Now this is an advanced roundabout, that I actually like.
I don't know, seems kind of a roundabout way of going about it
Basically the Dutch way creates a roundabout like bike path for bikes in a 4 way intersection. Hopefully the bumpout curbs arent too high for trucks.
Standard trucks have no problems with it. See, among others:
ruclips.net/video/5Nbejcu8FUo/видео.html (yearly event: truckers day)
Special heavy transport is by definition special and requires extra support and measures:
ruclips.net/video/IEgSWs8l0NA/видео.html
The cyclist has right of way (unless it is a junction controlled by lights)
I'm Dutch and i people should cycle in the Netherlands and then they will understand everything. It is the most safest and fastest way cause fact prove it.
True that, Ronald. I noticed (in all these reactions) people can hardly grasp the concept of harmonious co-existence of cars and bikes.
Groot gelijk! (nederlander hier).
This junction design considers the safety of all road users - pedestrians, cyclists and motorists - especially with the onset of autonomous public and private transportation.
Really good video, short but clear.
I'd love to see some similar videos!
once again proves Americans have a long ways to go
+sleepyfish
they might not go there ever, because they are far more spread out, have far more accomodating roads for cars than is possible in old cities that were at best designed for few horse and carriages. If you see a piece of asphalt in an US city, it's not uncommon for it to be 4 lanes wide in the middle of the city, it's unheard of in most european cities and if they exist, they aren't as much implemented as they did in the usa, which mostly was built after the car was invented.
+AwoudeX should at least work well on much of the east coast, where most (all?) of the major cities sprung up long before the personal automobile had proliferated. plus many other older cities throughout the rest of the country (chicago, detroit, minneapolis-saint paul, st. louis, cleveland, Cincinnati, denver, etc)
It can work actually in all but the latest 20th century suburban/exurban communities and even then there are ways to implement it along side zoning reform and re-targeting of development incentives. The problem is less the roads themselves in many cases and more a matter of what is built along them. That said, most Dutch cities seem to lean towards incentivizing cycling over other modes by making short intracity car trips very difficult and time-consuming.
Not just Americans
577AllWell if cyclists are not using them it’s a sure sign that they are poorly made. Inexperienced cyclists will still feel unsafe using them so they will stay on the sidewalk and experienced cyclists will find them too narrow or unpractical.. I see this all the time in my city. I feel most of the time “bike lanes” in North America are designed by people who never bike🤦🏻♂️what a mess
I am a bicyclist and a traffic engineer. in the US. The most glaring problem with the drawing at 2:05 in the video is the shark's teeth (yield) markings ahead of the sidepath crossings in the intersection. Are you aware that in the US such yield markings within the intersection are not allowed?
In both the US and in Europe, a bicyclist on the highway has all the rights and duties of the driver of a vehicle as far as the rules of the road are concerned. But what are the rights and duties of a bicyclist in a sidepath crossing? In the US, turning motorists have to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks, but a bicyclist is not a pedestrian and a sidepath crossing is not a crosswalk.Therefore a turning motorist does not have to yield to a bicyclist in a sidepath crossing. Is it the same in Europe without the shark's teeth?
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MUTCD Section 2B.04 Right-of-Way at Intersections
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Standard:
Because the potential for conflicting commands could create driver confusion, YIELD or STOP signs shall not be used in conjunction with any traffic control signal operation, except in the following cases:
A. If the signal indication for an approach is a flashing red at all times;
B. If a minor street or driveway is located within or adjacent to the area controlled by the traffic control signal, but does not require separate traffic signal control because an extremely low potential for conflict exists; or
C. If a channelized turn lane is separated from the adjacent travel lanes by an island and the channelized turn lane is not controlled by a traffic control signal.
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In the Netherlands, and most of Europe, a sidepath is considered to be part of the road. This means that turning traffic has to give priority to people cycling regardless of their position, on the road or a sidepath, that makes no difference at all. This also extends to pedestrians, they also always go first. It doesn't matter if there is a marked crossing or not. They are considered road users and all road users going straight have priority over turning traffic.
Perhaps you are confused over the definitions of "road" and "roadway" in the US.
The state vehicle codes usually define a road (i.e., a street or highway) as "the entire width between the boundary lines of every way publicly maintained when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel." [UVC 1-138] A roadway is "that portion of a highway improved, designed or ordinarily used for vehicular travel, exclusive of the sidewalk, berm or shoulder even though such sidewalk, berm or shoulder is used by persons riding bicycles or other human powered vehicles." [UVC 1-186]
All states but Oregon consider a bike lane to be part of the roadway. Every state, including Oregon, considers a sidepath to be part of the street or highway but NOT part of the ROADWAY.
You say, that in the Netherlands and most of Europe, "turning traffic has to give priority to people cycling regardless of their position, on the road or a sidepath, that makes no difference at all." That may be the way the law is enforced there, but I don't see that in your traffic law. Could you point me to where your traffic law says that?
The laws in the US do not give a through bicyclist to the right of a right turning car the right-of-way. Instead, the right turning car is required to turn from as close the right-hand curb or edge of roadway as practicable and it is assumed that there will be no vehicles (including bicycles) to the right of it.
You are correct that right turning drivers are required to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks (marked or unmarked). But bicyclists are not pedestrians and places where sidepaths cross roads are not crosswalks. US law says that bicyclists have the same rights and duties as drivers of vehicles as far as the rules of the road are concerned. As a result, drivers in the US are not required to yield to bicyclists on sidepath crossings unless traffic controls such as yield signs are in place.
Your explanation of traffic law in the Netherlands makes it clear that bicyclists there don't have the same right to use roadways as drivers of vehicles and that they are given special privileges on sidepaths. That makes bicyclists in the Netherlands neither drivers nor pedestrians, but a third class of road user.
You seem to understand what the rights and duties of bicyclists are in the Netherlands and are an advocate for bicycle infrastructure separate from the roadways. But the laws there are different from here in the US. Are you advocating that the US build the same bicycle infrastructure without the same laws?
The problem is that trying to build Dutch infrastructure in the US without changing the rules of the road is fraught with danger.
No, you misinterpret Dutch road law which clearly states: "Drivers: all road users excepting pedestrians;". and "Vehicles: bicycles, mopeds, invalid carriages, motor
vehicles, trams and lorries." This means a cyclist in the Netherlands is equal to a driver of a motor vehicle. Most certainly not third class! About the turning movements there is this article: "Article 18
1 Drivers intending to turn must give way to all
oncoming vehicles and also to all vehicles
travelling behind them in the same direction on their left or right.
2 Drivers intending to turn left must give way to oncoming drivers intending to turn right at the same road junction."
The distinction between carriage way or road is irrellevant.
If laws make a certain type of infrastructure unsafe then they cannot exist at the same time: one or the other should be changed.
The Dutch law saying a cyclist is a driver is contradicted by the requirement for a cyclist is required to use mandatory cycle lanes (bike lanes) and cycle tracks (sidepaths). Whether cycle lanes and cycle tracks are superior to using general purpose travel lanes ("car lanes") is not the issue. Simply put, separate is not equal.
Also, on roads without cycle lanes or cycle tracks, a cyclist in the Netherlands is not allowed to use a full travel lane like the driver of a motor vehicle is. That also makes bicyclists not equal to the driver of a motor vehicle.
You misinterpreted what I meant by bicyclists being a third class of road user. I did not mean that bicyclists were a lower class, but an additional class (besides drivers and pedestrians). I used the word "class" to mean "category", not "status".
The distinction between carriageway and road is extremely relevant. To be equal to a driver of a motor vehicle, a bicyclist needs equal access to the carriageway (i.e., travel lanes), not just the road (i.e., the carriageway plus any paved shoulder, parking lane, sidewalk, sidepath or verge). For more details on the distinction, see the article I co-wrote with Dan Gutierrez "The Marginalization of Bicyclists: How the car lane paradigm eroded our lane rights and what we can do to restore them" iamtraffic.org/equality/the-marginalization-of-bicyclists
Robert Shanteau We have roads where trucks are not allowed to drive. Cars with a trailer behind have to adhere to different speed limits. Cars are not allowed on buslanes. Are these vehicles not equal? Seperation of traffic doesn't mean they have to be put in a different class. Road signs and traffic lights often are enough to make clear what road user is allowed to drive/ride where without having to change the generic rules that are in place. Signage always comes before road rules.
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"Also, on roads without cycle lanes or cycle tracks, a cyclist in the Netherlands is not allowed to use a full travel lane like the driver of a motor vehicle is. That also makes bicyclists not equal to the driver of a motor vehicle."
This is not true. Cyclist are allowed to use the whole lane. It is even encouraged.
@jbarner13 This is of course only a schematic version of Dutch style infrastructure in the US situation to show that lack of space is not the issue. If you pause the video at the Dutch version of such a junction at 2:08 (which is the building plan of an actual junction) you see that the weaving is less and more flowing. Still, 20mph is a very unlikely speed for any Dutch cyclist. Especially since that would be faster than cars are allowed to drive in many places (their max: 30kph=18mph).
It’s so great to see common sense ingenuity in use.
Bravo
When something makes this make sense you know republicans will call it socialist. LOL 'murica!
We need this really really bad.
Well, someone from Europe came up with it, so it must be part of Hitler's long term plan - first they do up the road with cycle paths and then they take away your right to stockpile chemical weapons in your backyard!
Virtually none. I live in a relatively new city and it was founded in ~1850. So there was nearly 70 years of growth and development before the car was even a factor. Which is why I always argue with people that claim my city was designed for cars. It was designed for the horse and carriage, street cars, and walking. It was later redesigned to accommodate the car.
we already have bike lanes in our citys that have been around for a long time, bike lanes would not work in a suburban environment, where most of our population lives. I would whore in downtown's an d urban environments. also its not just when citys are founder, its when they develop, so big citys that have been big for a long time, will be more walkable/bikeable, but new suburban development, is not
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legendaryGMAN how would it not work in the suburbs? It works litteraly perfect here
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This video was 12 years ago. We are 12 years behind in the US.
good designs facing bureaucratic resistance kills my soul.
Sounds expensive, better just to require everyone to drive a car.
Surely you cannot believe that driving a car is more expensive than designing smarter roadways.
If everyone rode bikes for their short city commutes then there would be much fewer cars on the roads to hit cyclists. I do regular bike rides but often feel intimidated by cars when I have as much right to the road as they do.
its actually cheaper to ride a bike
1 less oil import needed
2 less road ware
3 less oil burned cus of overcrowded roads
4 less car parks needed ( more space for housing / parks / shops )
5 less peeps in healthcare ( car fume,s )
and i can go on and on
Cars cost thousands, bikes cost hundreds. Bikes save money, the environment and your health.
Call me crazy, but you guys may have missed the sarcasm here.
Of what I recall, in NYC, the few right turn car lanes with bike lines do have the bikes to the right and they do not cross each other as shown earlier in the video.
I think you're right. Also, I recently saw a lane where the cars and bikes do cross each other.
Dutch are good organizers in making roads. We also pay attention to the design. For example, clear road signs, traffic signs, using appropriate colors. In addition, Dutch pay high taxes for bikes paths. I have movies of Dutch examples.
This is so simple yet amazing
A cyclist was killed at an intersection in Toronto that does not have a protected intersection design yesterday July 25, 2024. It is 2 blocks away from an intersection that is currently under construction that is getting a protected intersection design. (Bloor and St George) The design is not perfect but it has a lot of essentials seen in this video.
A week from now a ghost bike will be placed at the location where the cyclist was killed. It’s the following week the St George intersection is scheduled to be completed (August 9, 2024).
Something that seems to be missing with protected intersections is the ability to convert streets to protected intersections with temporary materials. The Bloor St George intersection has seen countless set-backs so often that I’m still not entirely convinced it will happen by August 9th. Being able to install a protected intersection with temporary materials as a pilot project means the Bloor Avenue Road junction could get a protected intersection treatment within a week instead of doing it years from now. And it means small changes could be made before permanent materials are used.
The death of the cyclist yesterday is not the first near this corner. There have been one at the corner and 3 others nearby. So making info and education available to drivers, cyclists, local merchants, politicians and city street planning staff is essential. The info needs to include:
What a protected intersection is, what it is for, how it works.
Examples of effective and ineffective designs with a list of criteria.
Reasons given why so many North American cities are hesitant to install them (myths about why they are bad, can’t be used) together with how these myths are not true, plus what the truth is about them.
When I first saw this video I understood and supported this design but it’s been over a decade and we’re still just getting our first protected intersection now. And literally people are dying because progress is slow.
The biggest point here is that simply by adding only a few lines you create a situation where the car and cyclist starting from the same light don't ever even go near each other. 1:30 - the cyclist would be gone by the time the car even gets there.
Exactly.
What was the thought process behind the american design? Why take the extra risk for no benefit? Why would you add 2 extra points of conflict? How did they overview the visibility issue?
They are mixing it up in this video.
In the Netherlands we do have cycle lanes crossing a junction without physical segregation. The difference with the first (UK) example where cyclists have to move to the left when going straight is that in the Netherlands cyclists continue straight whereas car-drivers have to cross the cycle lane and turn to the right to enter the right-turning pocket.
This situation calls for a lane divided roundabout with "sharks tooth" indicating exactly where a motorist has to give way to pedestrians and cyclists.
But, Rome wasn't built overnight either. Situations like these are absolutely affordable alternatives for a transition towards a system like in Denmark or the Netherlands. It took us Dutch 50 years of trial and error to get to the nationwide standard of today.
I am beginning to think that instead of dividing lanes by type of vehicle, we should start thinking about dividing lanes by travel speed. say, the outside land has a top speed of 5 MPH, the next lane goes up to 12 MPH, the next to 25 MPH, and the next to 30 MPH. granted, you couldn't fit a car in the 5 MPH lane, and shouldn't be fitting a car into the 12 MPH lane, and on street parking would still be problematic. (personally, I think on street parking shouldn't be a thing, except in neighborhoods, where it would separate the under 12 MPH lane and the over 12 MPH lane)
So it’s a bicycle roundabout basically....Ingenious
A bicycle squareabout.
I’m just commenting for the algorithm. Fantastic video!
I live in America, and in my area I see this design all the time