Jiren explicitly fights with just enough power to beat his opponents, not overexerting himself and conserving his energy and stamina. He's explicitly NOT using all his power against Roshi. Then getting surprised when this weak fighter is able to dodge his equally weak punches, before amping his power up a little to overtax Roshi's false UI.
@@jayson.win231 Because UI isn't a raw power "transformation". Sure, he needs to be strong enough to withstand the strain of the "form", but actually using it effectively is a matter of mental and spiritual skill, not physical. As made very clearly in the later arcs that focused more on it. Did you not read, Dragonballt4rd?
Goku fighting like a caveman is SUCH character regresion,even in z filler they ackowledge gokus astronomical level of skill by actually standing up too buutenks someone who was like 4 times stronger than him by sheer skill
Which is absolutely stupid. Buutenks who is stronger than Gohan who is stronger than Goku. Similarly, Goku ss2 should not be able to fight kid buu. Fillers are just incoherent mess of storytelling and power levels
@@asmatariq9738 why not? neither goku or Kid buu or fighting at full power yet and even if they were goku would still be able to fight him due to goku being more a skilled fighter then kid buu that whole thing about power levels is just dumb, just because a character is stronger doesn't mean it's invincible to someone weaker,goku and piccolo shouldn't be able to defeat raditz, goku and friends shouldn't be able to defeat vegeta or even frieza, kid buu was defeated by people weaker then him. if powerlevel was everything then how Jiren defeated?
Man the anime did both UI and ssjbe so much better , even the android 17 sacrifice was better . I also gotta love how goku almost got jiren out in ssjb with pure IQ , jiren couldn't be beaten so he tried to abuse the knockoff rule and in the manga he's just tryna get more power
Nah man the manga shows a more accurate version of the TOP with each fighter having a more realistic power level and actions in the fights plus these things your complaining about show character development for the characters
Aaron, don't act surprised, Vegeta legit turned SSJ1 out of literal depression of never reaching goku's level to the point he didn't care about everything, and just gave up, remember?
Yeah, seeing Vegeta get Super Saiyan Blue Evolution out of anger is ridiculous, but fits his character for sure. (Also, since he did knock back Jiren like Ultra Instinct in the anime does SSBE Vegeta scale to Anime UI Omen?)
0:51 Random Pride Trooper : Scouter what is this old man's power level now. Scouter : IT'S OVER 9000 !!!! Random Pride Trooper : 😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vegeta unlocks Blue Evolution in the anime because of his desperation to fight for his universe and revive Cabba's. The manga was because he was mad at Goku getting stronger. The manga improved on some things that the anime did, but then made a lot of other things worse. The Toppo fight was trash, too. 😂
(manga version of ultra instinct) Roshi: hey goku do you know how to be a martial artist? Goku: no Roshi: then let me teach you Jiren: bro your still getting lessons by your martial arts teacher!? come on man get on my level Goku: yea I was the noob of roshi's student like bro you learned your teachers signature move on the first try how the hell are you slow?
Goku’s being harsh on himself not actually calling himself slow. Z became all about power at the end and while a factor here they were just saying that it shouldn’t just be the be all and end all of fights.
This moment is cool and all but I do think it's funny that roshi is talking about how trying to find greater power is stupid or whatever when like his whole training that he gave Goku was just weight training and strength training he didn't even teach him any martial arts.
Ive said this many times. The manga version of DBS is WAY better than the anime counterpart, but even it has it's flaws. No way they gave Goku UI omen just for him to eat a knuckle sandwich across the face 💀💀
I just hate how he got it they basically said goku is a noob martial artist when martial arts is all the man lives and breaths (still got to give props to roshi for throwing shades at frieza and vegeta)
@@lightyoshimanIts kinda implied and even further reinforced in the Moro arc by Whis that Goku was losing faith in his capabilities and power. As another RUclipsr mentioned, it most likely stems from the consecutive amount of Ls he's had since BoG in terms of not finishing off the opponent. Which may explain why he's regressed a bit here but that's just speculation on my end.
@@iaminconstantpain4330 if you're pure heart, then you can deflect Genkidama (Gohan did that in Sayan saga), therefore it can't hurt you, yet it could hurt Goku
oh nah what is this complete and utter character assassination? Goku forgot all of his past lessons? he literally would never do something like that. a main part of his character is how he has grown in strength and as a person because of his lessons and his friends. and this bullshit makes him look like a complete idiot who just started fighting, tournament of power manga Goku has to be one of the worst character assassinations of all time. he’s literally a completely different person. they completely destroy all of his character and his growth throughout dragon ball and dragon ball Z to force him to learn something that he’s already completely learned. anyone who thinks the ToP manga is better than the anime is completely delusional.
You know, I remember a time when overwhelming power differences would lead to people not even being able to see his opponent move. Yet you're telling me that Roshi could evade not one but several punches from Jiren? Nope, that never happened, Roshi got decapitated on the spot and the rest of the manga is him hallucinating in that split second before he died.
that bs was by far the worst part of Z. yeah just write off all your secondary characters so you can make it more impressive when goku inevitably beats the new bad guy
Jiren can't kill him or he gets eliminated if he decapitates roshi as You said he gets out He held back enough not to kill him by accidentally blinking
Nah they did Toppo dirty as hell in the manga bro went out like a background character.
1:08 - 3:00 That's why Ultra Instinct's Introduiction is more well written than DBS Anime.
Love how they basically said that yea power levels are bs
Not really
@@omarpro14950:51
Jiren explicitly fights with just enough power to beat his opponents, not overexerting himself and conserving his energy and stamina. He's explicitly NOT using all his power against Roshi. Then getting surprised when this weak fighter is able to dodge his equally weak punches, before amping his power up a little to overtax Roshi's false UI.
@@espurrseyes42which was enough for Goku to unlock ui
@@jayson.win231
Because UI isn't a raw power "transformation". Sure, he needs to be strong enough to withstand the strain of the "form", but actually using it effectively is a matter of mental and spiritual skill, not physical. As made very clearly in the later arcs that focused more on it. Did you not read, Dragonballt4rd?
Goku fighting like a caveman is SUCH character regresion,even in z filler they ackowledge gokus astronomical level of skill by actually standing up too buutenks someone who was like 4 times stronger than him by sheer skill
Which is absolutely stupid. Buutenks who is stronger than Gohan who is stronger than Goku. Similarly, Goku ss2 should not be able to fight kid buu. Fillers are just incoherent mess of storytelling and power levels
@@asmatariq9738 As i said they didnt exactly fight,but buutenks himself ackowlodges gokus level of skill white mocks gohans
@@asmatariq9738 why not? neither goku or Kid buu or fighting at full power yet and even if they were goku would still be able to fight him due to goku being more a skilled fighter then kid buu that whole thing about power levels is just dumb, just because a character is stronger doesn't mean it's invincible to someone weaker,goku and piccolo shouldn't be able to defeat raditz, goku and friends shouldn't be able to defeat vegeta or even frieza, kid buu was defeated by people weaker then him. if powerlevel was everything then how Jiren defeated?
@@asmatariq9738 wheres the fun in that? You all power scalers weird af
Roshi is flabbergasted. Cut to og dragonball where roshi taught goku that
1:43 best moment of the DB manga Fr
Roshi might be weird but he's one of the most well respected Master and character of the anime and manga
3:32 Not only they make Aniraza dirty but Toppo also 😥😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭.
Not the square triangle combo😂
Man the anime did both UI and ssjbe so much better , even the android 17 sacrifice was better . I also gotta love how goku almost got jiren out in ssjb with pure IQ , jiren couldn't be beaten so he tried to abuse the knockoff rule and in the manga he's just tryna get more power
Nah man the manga shows a more accurate version of the TOP with each fighter having a more realistic power level and actions in the fights plus these things your complaining about show character development for the characters
2:20 - 2:40 Bro really said "I AM THE SUPER SAIYAN SON GOKU 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 !!!!!!!!!!!" To a whole different level 💀💀💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠.
I had waiting for him to post I love his videos.
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Aaron, don't act surprised, Vegeta legit turned SSJ1 out of literal depression of never reaching goku's level to the point he didn't care about everything, and just gave up, remember?
Yeah, seeing Vegeta get Super Saiyan Blue Evolution out of anger is ridiculous, but fits his character for sure.
(Also, since he did knock back Jiren like Ultra Instinct in the anime does SSBE Vegeta scale to Anime UI Omen?)
@@fangzgaming5510No bc that was UI sign 1, Jiren already saw through the attack
@@parkerjunior1 oh
Ik but you'd think he'd grow out of it by now
You sound like him crusher 21.
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finally i can watch something while eating , thanks brother
One of the best arcs
0:51 Random Pride Trooper : Scouter what is this old man's power level now.
Scouter : IT'S OVER 9000 !!!!
Random Pride Trooper : 😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5:06 Roasting Toppo in DBS Anime wasn't enough Frieza 😥😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠.
under rated channel tbh
Commenting now so I can watch this after work
7:01 Oh nah 17 get the Chiaotzu treatment against Nappa 😥😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭.
3:05 - 3:10 Goku What 💀💀💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠.
@ 4:01
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Vegeta unlocks Blue Evolution in the anime because of his desperation to fight for his universe and revive Cabba's. The manga was because he was mad at Goku getting stronger. The manga improved on some things that the anime did, but then made a lot of other things worse. The Toppo fight was trash, too. 😂
(manga version of ultra instinct)
Roshi: hey goku do you know how to be a martial artist?
Goku: no
Roshi: then let me teach you
Jiren: bro your still getting lessons by your martial arts teacher!? come on man get on my level
Goku: yea I was the noob of roshi's student
like bro you learned your teachers signature move on the first try how the hell are you slow?
Goku’s being harsh on himself not actually calling himself slow. Z became all about power at the end and while a factor here they were just saying that it shouldn’t just be the be all and end all of fights.
Tbf, Roshi was the one, who taught Goku to "have strong body, rather than strong techniques" (in other words, Roshi conradicts himself from OG DB)
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Bro UPLOADED FINALLY
DBAaron uploaded with this one🗣‼️🔥
The way Goku gets UI in the manga is much better
5:00 music is from Mario wnd Luigi Dream team battle theme i think
Yep it is
Let’s go another upload
This moment is cool and all but I do think it's funny that roshi is talking about how trying to find greater power is stupid or whatever when like his whole training that he gave Goku was just weight training and strength training he didn't even teach him any martial arts.
That's not really the point bc he did admitted himself
Ive said this many times. The manga version of DBS is WAY better than the anime counterpart, but even it has it's flaws. No way they gave Goku UI omen just for him to eat a knuckle sandwich across the face 💀💀
It communicates the same message. Yes, he unlocked it, but he's not good enough to properly use it.
I just hate how he got it they basically said goku is a noob martial artist when martial arts is all the man lives and breaths (still got to give props to roshi for throwing shades at frieza and vegeta)
don’t forget toppo being a regular background character😭
@@lightyoshimanIts kinda implied and even further reinforced in the Moro arc by Whis that Goku was losing faith in his capabilities and power. As another RUclipsr mentioned, it most likely stems from the consecutive amount of Ls he's had since BoG in terms of not finishing off the opponent.
Which may explain why he's regressed a bit here but that's just speculation on my end.
not really,the dbs animes highs are way higher than the mangas
I had no idea seventeen had a family, the manga is heavily different from the anime :0
He stated to have a family in the anime too
Tf do you mean? He also had a family in the anime
Ultra
This is so much cooler than randomly popping out of a Spirit Bomb Crater
yeah nah. the anime episode breaking the internet should be proof enough.
hell no. bro just RANDOMLY got it, no pose, no movement or nothing he just completely randomly got it.
@@iaminconstantpain4330being hype ≠ is good. Not to mention, that it conradicts to Sayan saga
@ how does it contradict the saiyan saga?
@@iaminconstantpain4330 if you're pure heart, then you can deflect Genkidama (Gohan did that in Sayan saga), therefore it can't hurt you, yet it could hurt Goku
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How tf did roshi take one of jirens punches?!
Killing isn't allowed so it's very likely that Jiren held a lot of power back
bro you have nothing but my respect but like what's with all the jumping around the timeline?
oh nah what is this complete and utter character assassination? Goku forgot all of his past lessons? he literally would never do something like that. a main part of his character is how he has grown in strength and as a person because of his lessons and his friends. and this bullshit makes him look like a complete idiot who just started fighting, tournament of power manga Goku has to be one of the worst character assassinations of all time. he’s literally a completely different person. they completely destroy all of his character and his growth throughout dragon ball and dragon ball Z to force him to learn something that he’s already completely learned. anyone who thinks the ToP manga is better than the anime is completely delusional.
Where is Moro arc?
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You know, I remember a time when overwhelming power differences would lead to people not even being able to see his opponent move.
Yet you're telling me that Roshi could evade not one but several punches from Jiren? Nope, that never happened, Roshi got decapitated on the spot and the rest of the manga is him hallucinating in that split second before he died.
I mean the manga is literally our main canon to the series but to your head canon it's non canon, and he didn't die tho
that bs was by far the worst part of Z. yeah just write off all your secondary characters so you can make it more impressive when goku inevitably beats the new bad guy
Jiren can't kill him or he gets eliminated if he decapitates roshi as You said he gets out
He held back enough not to kill him by accidentally blinking
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Disliked because you spoiled 2 Sparking Zero What Ifs in polls. Do better Aaron.
Idk about the Zamasu one but fair enough
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