Just got my 124017 in 2 days ago. Absolutly hate the cogging. BUT love the car. We ran it 6 batterys in a row. First 3x 2s. Then 3x 3s and motor doesnt overheat esc doesnt. Took a while to empty all 6 batterys. We ran it on loose sand. And made some jumps on a ramp(no high speed jumps) absolutely love the car. Thanks for the link to the cheap esc. Il order one for it. Thanks champ! And I have a 6s arrma typhon and on the stock 14t pinion my wife was faster witb this little bugger on 3s! Its fast! And stable.
Hiya Jeffrey and glad you are at least a little happier with the car. The cogging is terrible and for us a little too much to compensate towards enjoyment. Of course the issue is now this. If we have to buy a new esc, new transmitter and 3s battery. Why buy a 124017 at all? Why not just a 124019 which is cheaper and swap out the same parts? I do agree with you on the speed and stability though. Its such a good base that its almost criminal that they messed it up so badly. Keep RC'en mate and stay safe!
Congratulations! Yeah good point I never hear anyone else say that most 4x4 rc's will try to go straight no matter what it's doing if you punch it while it's still mostly pointing forward or the direction you want
Hello John, I'm upgrading my all wltoys, and I'm using surpass hobby, Motors, ESC, servo... Very good and not expensive... Great video and condition hehe😉
Thanks loads and loads! My eat14 arrived literally today and I was getting a bit worried I'd brought a lemon after watching your other review last night... but I'm going to do my best to blow up my esc, so I can replace it with something better! Many thanks for your work on these issues, glad you're here as wltoys / eachine don't seem to be too bothered about the product. Best regards to you and your family from sunny Weymouth. ☺
Nice and interesting video! There is a V2 version of the 124017 these days. - Different motor, 4300KV (old: 3400KV) - Different gearing 0.7*19T (old: 0.7*27T) - New transmitter hardware to fix the distance problem. This should reduce/solve the cogging.
Hiya. Yes that is correct. They released version 2 shortly afterwards but did nothing to fix the problem for those that purchased v1. The v2 however is amazing and goes to over 90 kph on 3s batteries. 😁👍🏼
@@JohnRobinsonRC Sweeeet! I ordered that one yesterday. Upgrading from my A969 (with a stuck motor) Going to replace the transmitter/receiver with my FlySky GT3C
@@JohnRobinsonRC You might be right about that, but I didn't like the cheap feel it has. So I changed the recievers out right away. Plus the ABS function on the FlySky is a nice to have on this car. I also greased up the diff's right away. First pack's were fun!
Wicked John that is so good to no. Should sort out all the issues I have with my crazy van. That coggs bad at pull away with the 4370kv and 60amp. Great job buddy👍👍
Thank you for this video. It helps me out a lot in finding parts that fit my WLtoys 124019 😀 I already converted it to brushless but was searching for something that would stop the cogging. I have a 60A esc from surpass hobby, I think I try that with a 2s battery and see what happens.
Maybe you should have used that new little gyro for smoother steering ...awesome runs though ... shows the difference in ESC's ... see ..I learned something new again today 🤗
I was so close to bringing them but I have to balance between video content. If I say to get this speed you need this and that and that and this then it would just put people off. In trying to show what can be achieved as easily and simply as possible. Most people have more space and suitable roads than me so can see the potential. And if I added the gyro this time, then I couldn't make another video in the future. 😉😁😁😁😊😋
thanks for sharing. for me Id get the 19 and upgrade with my choice of electronics. now prices for 19 is lower. unless wltoys improves that cogging by upgrading some parts like the esc or motor it will be a winner.
Yes I have to agree with you. Wltoys have shot themselves in the foot with these new cars so go with the 019 and enjoy your brushless upgrade. It makes sense. The reason I'm making these videos showing alternatives is that there are some people who aren't confident enough with replacing brushed with brushless. By buying the 124017 and replacing either the esc or 3s battery, they have a great car with good speed. Change both and its brilliant speed off this little motor! 😁😁 Have a great day and stay safe! 😊👍
I claim unfair trial... EAT-14 didn't get to go on the raod or with foams!!! 😂🤣. Cracking vid though mate. Forgot EAT-14 had cogging issues so will see waht mine is like and if needs be replace the ESC. Nicely done John and Collin and well supervised mrs R!!! 😋
Yes the wife ensuring everything is done correctly. I actually thought the pinion came loose but I can't remember repairing it yet when I drove the other day it worked fine.. Self repairing technology from Eachine? 🤔🤔🤔 Or brain dead person who can't remember what he has done? 🤔🤔😲😲😳😳 Place your bets now ladies and gents. 😂😂😂
I have a v1 124017 and mine does cog a little bit but any over geared rc will. Other than that mine runs beautiful, on the stock battery I run 40-45 MPH reliably and on 3s with 1/10 scale wheels I break 60 MPH no problem. For the money I think it's the beat and fastest thing there is stock under 200 dollars US.
Yes I have to agree. Other than the issues it's a bargain. But version 2 is better for sure. Much longer transmission distance and the speed on 3s is crazy fast vs price. Bargain indeed for a ready to run car. Thanks for the comment. 😊👌
@@JohnRobinsonRC I don't read or speak Welsh but my 12 Yr old daughter is fluent.. there great cars for the money with so many upgrades available you too have a great week. 👍
I've been adding the Welsh language to the subtitles since you have been so active on the channel. I just wondered if they were any good. 😂😂 Could be swearing and I would never know. 😂😂
Yes I noticed actually which is why I added it. I tried reading it and sounded like I was from another planet! When spoken properly its a nice language. Spoken by John its interesting. 😂😂
Love the Maltese Scenery super cool oh and the Eacheine14 cars well yeah there not the best in my opinion( yes wasted my money on two of them )lol but good for a learning curve for someone getting into the hobby as there something to tinker with learn from personally i liked the 144001 now they have potential , thanks john for another cool video mate
Bonjour et merci pour votre commentaire. J'aime le 124019 parce qu'il est si stable. C'est une super voiture à mon avis. Savez-vous à quelle vitesse votre 124019 peut aller ?
@@JohnRobinsonRC non j’ai esc 80 SURPASSHOBBY comme sur votre vidéo est 3650 5900kv SURPASSHOBBY également moteur je dois tourné 110km ou plus en lipos 3s.
🔥🔥🔥Brushless systems are superior to brushed 🔥🔥🔥👍 I am enjoying your testing ideas ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC man . Wltoys has so much potential even the little guy was surprisingly fast can they handle a small 4s lipo? WARP SPEED on 4s
John, can you teach me one more thing how can I know my ESC can run 3s or not. It is because I bought my setting with someone, he also doesn't know that the setting I bought can run 3s or not. Please
Hiya. I would say no. That's because it is a lottery if your esc will run 3s or not. I would predict about half blow up on 3s. I tested 3 esc's on 3s and all blew up. 😒
@@JohnRobinsonRC I live in Newfoundland canada 30 is as hot as it gets here really that sends me inside in the ac lol minus 20 c in winter without wind chill
Yes way too cold from me. Before moving here we lived in Norway. Down to - 40c. But we still say that - 25c in Norway i like +10c here in Malta because of the humidity. In the houses during winter though it's usually 15c colder as Maltese don't insulate their homes. They say why bother as winters are like 5 days long... Maybe once but now winters are 3-4 months long and it's freezing. Most winters we are driven outside to the sun to warm up from the cold houses. 😂😂😂
@@JohnRobinsonRC yes of course. Sometimes it’s not always the most expensive that performs the best too. Some are better at low end and some are better at top end. I think the cheap ESCs are more focused on top end rather the consistency at low power. Making some believe that the faster the better. It’s not always the case.
@@JohnRobinsonRC I think the hobby wing quicrun are about the best you’ll get for the money. Some much to adjust including timing etc. The Ezrun max are also good too be less adjustable with only 9 fields of adjustment. I am going to take that 120a Reedy out though and try the Surpass 80a. Think I will wait until I get surpass program card though as stock settings on ESCs usually have the brakes set too high and are front diff drive killers. I like to set it around 25-30% and then use ABS settings to control how quick it stops.
Who says the Rc Hobby isn’t a physical sport. I think your sandals are gonna need replacing after this video!😂😜👊🏼🩴 Great perseverance and great video! By the way , where do you live? It’s absolutely beautiful there!
Ha ha! Yeah I did not expect to be running around like that. I cut out a lot more footage of me running. 😂😂🏃 I live in Malta and yes it's stunning. I've started to have wider shots as I wanted to show a little more of the country. 😊 Have an awesome day! 😊👍
Done and agreed. I will be visiting the long open area where we unleashed the EX07 soon and will throw everything I can at it and hopefully get past the 100 kph. I wish I could drive midweek but I just can't unfortunately. Its a priority though! 😊👍👌
Hiya. I usually always use the pinion that comes with the car. Is the one in the EAT 14 really different? If so that sucks. In which case you need to buy a 124016, 124017 or 144010 pinion which is for the brushless setup. 😉🙏
My brushed 9125 and HM101 both get higher top speeds with smaller diameter, better balanced, and smoother tread tires.. All depends on how much torque your motors put down in the high end
Yeah that's a good point. I've just placed an order for new tires and am going to be making serval videos about the very subject as I think tyres are forgotten about the most but in some ways are the most important.
@@JohnRobinsonRC make sure to do the math and see if your motor is reaching the rpm it specs out. Just take the speed you got with the 2s and do some math bcz the 2s speed is usually truely maxing out since it's slower with less natural resistances like friction and wind all those variables
Hiya Nick. It improved it by about 90% however there is no long grass in Malta at this time so I can't say for sure. It helped on hills as well so I am sure it would have improved on grass as well. On gravel for sure it helped. 😊👍
Thanks a lot John for your video. I really appreciate it 👍🏻 Just got my Wltoys 124016 and wltoys is really annoying me too! I wouldn't have thought it's possible, but the electronics/configuration in this car completely su*ks! I can't believe it! It's a complete customer fooling. What is Wltoys thinking of?! So thanks to your video I want to try a Robitronic Razor ten 60A 3652 4000kV esc/(motor) combo. I'm looking forward to see the car work properly. But I'm not happy to have to spend money on a rtr rc car to make it work properly. Shame on Wltoys 👎🏻
@@JohnRobinsonRC You're absolutely right 👍🏻😁 Probably we should do that! I'm going to let you know, if I'll contact Wltoys. I really was thinking about sending it back.
Will you be attempting a 4s battery in the future for the Wltoys 124017? The new ESC should be able to handle it. Another get video as always. You've done it again sir.
What are the ESC temps like? i have a few of the 60-80 a surpass hobby ESCs here but never tried one. I have an associated (reedy) 120a ESC in one of my cars that keeps going into thermal shut down, even the steering stops working temporarily. This is not good.
Hiya. I have had zero issues with any of my Surpass Hobby esc's. Temps are fine and no shut down at all. I'm mega impressed by the quality vs the price.
Hiya. As you saw on this video, I was having huge problems. I did bring new batteries so put them in but it didn't seem to help. I'll have a look tomorrow and see if I can find a solution, however I think the only way will be to replace the receiver and remote. 😕😔
Yes I went up initially to run on the road that we managed one run at the end of the video. But when we got there it felt like every speed racer in Malta were racing on it. So I went back there to record an intro and decided to use it as it was quiet. Not ideal but better than my usual spot. And yes the wall always straightens the car up! 😂😂😂🤣👌
Hiya. Yes it is still a problem. The best way I have found that improves it 90% is a 60a esc. If you can get an 80a brushless ESC then that would be better.
I'm actually starting to think the problem with the cogging is the size of the minion, it's 27t and it's a bit big for a 2845 motor, mabye u should try a 3659 motor and see if there is any difference, because the new 124017 esc is still clogging.
Yes that's exactly the issue. They have not changed the gear ratios from the 124019 which is causing this issues. I'm happy with changing an esc which fixes the issues. I am sure many feel the same way as me that they don't want to have to buy a new motor, pinion and motor mount to fix an issue. To fix the cogging you will have to reduce the top speed even more. That's just not good. 😕
@@JohnRobinsonRC agreed, but what I plan to do is change the motor to a 3650 motor, I already ordered all the parts, so I will update you about my results. I don't plant to change my esc, because its kinda pointless, unless changing to a bigger motor is useless then I will try changing the motor and esc
@@JohnRobinsonRC there is no need for an adjustable one, 3650 fits perfectly, I just bought a 124019 motor mount, because the 124017 one only firmts 28mm motor, thanks for wishing me luck!
You don't need one no. I have only just bought one after 18 months. But some say it makes the whole driving experience so much better as you can tune everything. Power delivery. Braking strength. Some even have a basic abs from what I was told. 😁
Always a risk unfortunately. However as of yet I have not heard of anyone blowing up an esc except for one person that used a 120c rated battery. Don't go higher than 50c in my opinion and you should be fine.
Uhm. How did you come to that conclusion may I ask? If the receiver was the problem then when I swapped the esc's, the problems would still be there. 🤔🙄
Then i can buy the older models and put in brushless combo its cheaper and the new ones with the longer wheelbase are bad for bushing with their staight nose . Its shows only WL toys dont make their job only want to sell new cars. Put in a brush motor with crapy ESC. No improvment in RC parts cars goes much faster and you lost the control because of the range of a kiddytoy. Tires are fucking bad fo this speeds. So please tell me for what sould i pay the money?? The old one with better upgrades is near the same price and FASTER ;-)
Sorry that makes no sense. Any surface when testing a new RC Car is worth it. And at the end of the video I tested on a perfect road and got 2 or 3 kph more so it wasn't that bad a surface was it?
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Thanks a lot for mentioning my channel John, I really apprechated it.
Just got my 124017 in 2 days ago. Absolutly hate the cogging. BUT love the car. We ran it 6 batterys in a row. First 3x 2s. Then 3x 3s and motor doesnt overheat esc doesnt. Took a while to empty all 6 batterys. We ran it on loose sand. And made some jumps on a ramp(no high speed jumps) absolutely love the car. Thanks for the link to the cheap esc. Il order one for it. Thanks champ! And I have a 6s arrma typhon and on the stock 14t pinion my wife was faster witb this little bugger on 3s! Its fast! And stable.
Hiya Jeffrey and glad you are at least a little happier with the car. The cogging is terrible and for us a little too much to compensate towards enjoyment. Of course the issue is now this. If we have to buy a new esc, new transmitter and 3s battery. Why buy a 124017 at all? Why not just a 124019 which is cheaper and swap out the same parts? I do agree with you on the speed and stability though. Its such a good base that its almost criminal that they messed it up so badly. Keep RC'en mate and stay safe!
In my experience, the surpass 80amp esc is rock solid on 3s in the 1/12 and 1/14 wltoys with the surpass 3660 motor. Top combo.
Completely agree. Great value esc's for sure!
Wow u serious
Congratulations! Yeah good point I never hear anyone else say that most 4x4 rc's will try to go straight no matter what it's doing if you punch it while it's still mostly pointing forward or the direction you want
Cheers buddy. Hope you are keeping well. Have a great day!
A great demonstration with just upgrading the ESC. I believe the RC cars' performance would be better on flexible pavement.
Agreed
Hello John, I'm upgrading my all wltoys, and I'm using surpass hobby, Motors, ESC, servo... Very good and not expensive... Great video and condition hehe😉
That's a great idea and they are so much more improved. Great job! 😊👍
I have been using the same esc and motors( in brushed001 and couple of othres ,run well so far .
Yeah they are always good in my opinion. I think I'll have to do a big test with a load of them and see. 😊
Amazing how much more stable the longer wheelbase car is.
I know right. I noticed before with the 124019 but it's even more noticeable with more power. Gonna have some fun with these! 😁😁
Thanks loads and loads! My eat14 arrived literally today and I was getting a bit worried I'd brought a lemon after watching your other review last night... but I'm going to do my best to blow up my esc, so I can replace it with something better! Many thanks for your work on these issues, glad you're here as wltoys / eachine don't seem to be too bothered about the product. Best regards to you and your family from sunny Weymouth. ☺
Nice and interesting video!
There is a V2 version of the 124017 these days.
- Different motor, 4300KV (old: 3400KV)
- Different gearing 0.7*19T (old: 0.7*27T)
- New transmitter hardware to fix the distance problem.
This should reduce/solve the cogging.
Hiya. Yes that is correct. They released version 2 shortly afterwards but did nothing to fix the problem for those that purchased v1. The v2 however is amazing and goes to over 90 kph on 3s batteries. 😁👍🏼
@@JohnRobinsonRC Sweeeet!
I ordered that one yesterday.
Upgrading from my A969 (with a stuck motor)
Going to replace the transmitter/receiver with my FlySky GT3C
Sounds like a plan but test first with the new electronics. I drove at 95 kph the other day over a huge area and never lost connection with the car. 😉
@@JohnRobinsonRC You might be right about that, but I didn't like the cheap feel it has. So I changed the recievers out right away. Plus the ABS function on the FlySky is a nice to have on this car.
I also greased up the diff's right away.
First pack's were fun!
Yeah makes sense! 😊👌 Gotta love ABS! 😁
Wicked John that is so good to no. Should sort out all the issues I have with my crazy van. That coggs bad at pull away with the 4370kv and 60amp. Great job buddy👍👍
Ah yeah just an esc can change everything and I'm kind of surprised. I love positive results though. 😊👍
@@JohnRobinsonRC yes buddy definitely...👍👍
Thank you for this video.
It helps me out a lot in finding parts that fit my WLtoys 124019 😀
I already converted it to brushless but was searching for something that would stop the cogging.
I have a 60A esc from surpass hobby, I think I try that with a 2s battery and see what happens.
Ah brilliant. Well good luck! 😊👍
Maybe you should have used that new little gyro for smoother steering ...awesome runs though ... shows the difference in ESC's ... see ..I learned something new again today 🤗
I was so close to bringing them but I have to balance between video content. If I say to get this speed you need this and that and that and this then it would just put people off. In trying to show what can be achieved as easily and simply as possible. Most people have more space and suitable roads than me so can see the potential. And if I added the gyro this time, then I couldn't make another video in the future. 😉😁😁😁😊😋
thanks for sharing. for me Id get the 19 and upgrade with my choice of electronics. now prices for 19 is lower. unless wltoys improves that cogging by upgrading some parts like the esc or motor it will be a winner.
Yes I have to agree with you. Wltoys have shot themselves in the foot with these new cars so go with the 019 and enjoy your brushless upgrade. It makes sense. The reason I'm making these videos showing alternatives is that there are some people who aren't confident enough with replacing brushed with brushless. By buying the 124017 and replacing either the esc or 3s battery, they have a great car with good speed. Change both and its brilliant speed off this little motor! 😁😁 Have a great day and stay safe! 😊👍
Excellent vid, fantastic editing 👌
Thank you so much Ken. Have an awesome day! 😊👍🏼
I claim unfair trial... EAT-14 didn't get to go on the raod or with foams!!! 😂🤣. Cracking vid though mate. Forgot EAT-14 had cogging issues so will see waht mine is like and if needs be replace the ESC. Nicely done John and Collin and well supervised mrs R!!! 😋
Yes the wife ensuring everything is done correctly. I actually thought the pinion came loose but I can't remember repairing it yet when I drove the other day it worked fine..
Self repairing technology from Eachine? 🤔🤔🤔 Or brain dead person who can't remember what he has done? 🤔🤔😲😲😳😳 Place your bets now ladies and gents. 😂😂😂
It's in the high 50°s(far) today here in Northern Minnesota. Looks lovely where you're filming
Yeah been very lucky with the weather lately. 300 days of sunshine a year though so I don't know why I'm so surprised. 😂
I have a v1 124017 and mine does cog a little bit but any over geared rc will. Other than that mine runs beautiful, on the stock battery I run 40-45 MPH reliably and on 3s with 1/10 scale wheels I break 60 MPH no problem. For the money I think it's the beat and fastest thing there is stock under 200 dollars US.
Yes I have to agree. Other than the issues it's a bargain. But version 2 is better for sure. Much longer transmission distance and the speed on 3s is crazy fast vs price. Bargain indeed for a ready to run car. Thanks for the comment. 😊👌
👍👍👍great video though you were going home with a bag of bits with that wall😁
Ha ha! Actually only the pinion from the Eat14 was lose. No other damage. Impressive really. Oh and tires lose.
Justamente quería un video comparando estos 2 carros exelent video nuevo sub
Wow. That's some wicked fast runs.. left a thumbs up 👍
Thank you buddy. Yep well impressed with just an esc upgrade. Wow! Have a lovely evening. Oh keep meaning to ask. Do you read Welsh?
@@JohnRobinsonRC I don't read or speak Welsh but my 12 Yr old daughter is fluent.. there great cars for the money with so many upgrades available you too have a great week. 👍
I've been adding the Welsh language to the subtitles since you have been so active on the channel. I just wondered if they were any good. 😂😂 Could be swearing and I would never know. 😂😂
@@JohnRobinsonRC I`ll get my daughter to check them out and i`ll let you know.. The Welsh language is making a pretty big come back for some reason..
Yes I noticed actually which is why I added it. I tried reading it and sounded like I was from another planet! When spoken properly its a nice language. Spoken by John its interesting. 😂😂
Nice speeds,almost up with me and I’m using a 540 brushless motor 👊🏻👍🏻
540 brushed! Ha ha! Impressive!
💪 Well done buddy
Cheers mate. Stay safe! 👍😊
Love the Maltese Scenery super cool oh and the Eacheine14 cars well yeah there not the best in my opinion( yes wasted my money on two of them )lol but good for a learning curve for someone getting into the hobby as there something to tinker with learn from personally i liked the 144001 now they have potential , thanks john for another cool video mate
Bonjour je te suis de France merci pour le partage de ter vidéo j’ai moi même une Wltoys 124019 mais pas mal modifié et je suis relativement content.
Bonjour et merci pour votre commentaire. J'aime le 124019 parce qu'il est si stable. C'est une super voiture à mon avis. Savez-vous à quelle vitesse votre 124019 peut aller ?
@@JohnRobinsonRC non j’ai esc
80 SURPASSHOBBY comme sur votre vidéo est 3650 5900kv SURPASSHOBBY également moteur je dois tourné 110km ou plus en lipos 3s.
🔥🔥🔥Brushless systems are superior to brushed 🔥🔥🔥👍 I am enjoying your testing ideas ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC man . Wltoys has so much potential even the little guy was surprisingly fast can they handle a small 4s lipo? WARP SPEED on 4s
Ha ha! 4s. Now that would be great to see. I think they would instantly flip over! 😂😂😂 Thanks for watching! 😊👍
Thank John I just need some settings can run 3s for my 144019👍👍👍
Hiya. Did you mean 124019?
@@JohnRobinsonRC Yes😂
John, can you teach me one more thing how can I know my ESC can run 3s or not. It is because I bought my setting with someone, he also doesn't know that the setting I bought can run 3s or not. Please
Hiya. I would say no. That's because it is a lottery if your esc will run 3s or not. I would predict about half blow up on 3s. I tested 3 esc's on 3s and all blew up. 😒
@@JohnRobinsonRC thank you
Good day my friend awsome difference from the esc I have noticed that with my own rcs .I find bigger amp esc u can use the better
Yes for sure the 80a was better than the 60a. I'm gonna buy a 120a and 150a and do a comparison. 😊👍
@@JohnRobinsonRC look forward to seeing it .unrelated question what are winter temps like where u are looks pretty nice still envious lol
It's 25-30c daytime which is lovely.
@@JohnRobinsonRC I live in Newfoundland canada 30 is as hot as it gets here really that sends me inside in the ac lol minus 20 c in winter without wind chill
Yes way too cold from me. Before moving here we lived in Norway. Down to - 40c. But we still say that - 25c in Norway i like +10c here in Malta because of the humidity. In the houses during winter though it's usually 15c colder as Maltese don't insulate their homes. They say why bother as winters are like 5 days long... Maybe once but now winters are 3-4 months long and it's freezing. Most winters we are driven outside to the sun to warm up from the cold houses. 😂😂😂
Great idea
Excellent, most RTR's would benefit from ESC change. Even expensive brands
So true!
Yeah I have to agree. I just never thought it would be that much of an increase. Well this hobby is all about learning. 😊😊👍
@@JohnRobinsonRC yes of course. Sometimes it’s not always the most expensive that performs the best too.
Some are better at low end and some are better at top end. I think the cheap ESCs are more focused on top end rather the consistency at low power. Making some believe that the faster the better. It’s not always the case.
Give me a stable esc that has smooth power and low and high speed and I'm happy. The top speed I will find from somewhere else. 😉😊🙂
@@JohnRobinsonRC I think the hobby wing quicrun are about the best you’ll get for the money. Some much to adjust including timing etc. The Ezrun max are also good too be less adjustable with only 9 fields of adjustment. I am going to take that 120a Reedy out though and try the Surpass 80a. Think I will wait until I get surpass program card though as stock settings on ESCs usually have the brakes set too high and are front diff drive killers. I like to set it around 25-30% and then use ABS settings to control how quick it stops.
Who says the Rc Hobby isn’t a physical sport. I think your sandals are gonna need replacing after this video!😂😜👊🏼🩴 Great perseverance and great video! By the way , where do you live? It’s absolutely beautiful there!
Ha ha! Yeah I did not expect to be running around like that. I cut out a lot more footage of me running. 😂😂🏃 I live in Malta and yes it's stunning. I've started to have wider shots as I wanted to show a little more of the country. 😊 Have an awesome day! 😊👍
80a surpass Hobby esc is probably the best esc under $30. I even used it 1 year ago when i Made my 144001 go 130 kmh on 3s on 4000kv motor
Wow that's impressive! Great value for money.
@@JohnRobinsonRC yes! Also, surpass hobby KK series motors Are the most reliable motors i have ever used. Better than hobbywing if you ask me.
@@fran.6496 agreed, kk series and platinum for me!
@@perspectivemeditation7648 nah.. platinum is Made of a bad copper wire int
@@fran.6496 can you explain that a lil more?
Next on john Robinson Rc …we hit 100km/h!!
Done and agreed. I will be visiting the long open area where we unleashed the EX07 soon and will throw everything I can at it and hopefully get past the 100 kph. I wish I could drive midweek but I just can't unfortunately. Its a priority though! 😊👍👌
What pinion will work with these surpass motors? The shafts are thicker than what is included with the Eachine Eat14. Any suggestions?
Hiya. I usually always use the pinion that comes with the car. Is the one in the EAT 14 really different? If so that sucks. In which case you need to buy a 124016, 124017 or 144010 pinion which is for the brushless setup. 😉🙏
My brushed 9125 and HM101 both get higher top speeds with smaller diameter, better balanced, and smoother tread tires.. All depends on how much torque your motors put down in the high end
Yeah that's a good point. I've just placed an order for new tires and am going to be making serval videos about the very subject as I think tyres are forgotten about the most but in some ways are the most important.
@@JohnRobinsonRC make sure to do the math and see if your motor is reaching the rpm it specs out. Just take the speed you got with the 2s and do some math bcz the 2s speed is usually truely maxing out since it's slower with less natural resistances like friction and wind all those variables
@@JohnRobinsonRC or if you have a rpm gun.. lol
@@JohnRobinsonRC what am I saying you know way more then me lol
Fun to comment ideas 💡
Are the bullet connectors on the stock motor the same size as the surpass esc's so just plugs in?
I just crushed mine to fit. Worked like a charm. I'm assuming connectors can be bought though for a better fit. I'll have to check.
ESC 80A solves the issue of cogging on 124017 in grass and off-road?
Hiya Nick. It improved it by about 90% however there is no long grass in Malta at this time so I can't say for sure. It helped on hills as well so I am sure it would have improved on grass as well. On gravel for sure it helped. 😊👍
I need those tires
Thanks a lot John for your video. I really appreciate it 👍🏻 Just got my Wltoys 124016 and wltoys is really annoying me too! I wouldn't have thought it's possible, but the electronics/configuration in this car completely su*ks! I can't believe it! It's a complete customer fooling. What is Wltoys thinking of?! So thanks to your video I want to try a Robitronic Razor ten 60A 3652 4000kV esc/(motor) combo. I'm looking forward to see the car work properly. But I'm not happy to have to spend money on a rtr rc car to make it work properly. Shame on Wltoys 👎🏻
Yes I have to agree 100%. Its terrible how we have been left to fix the issues. Wonder if we should all send wltoys the bill for new electronics? 😂😂
@@JohnRobinsonRC You're absolutely right 👍🏻😁 Probably we should do that! I'm going to let you know, if I'll contact Wltoys. I really was thinking about sending it back.
Well if you decide to do that then please let me know. Have a great week! 😊👍
Will you be attempting a 4s battery in the future for the Wltoys 124017? The new ESC should be able to handle it. Another get video as always. You've done it again sir.
Hello mate. Uhm, yeah sure. I'll have to buy one but do you mean with the stock esc or these ones? 😉
@@JohnRobinsonRC The upgrade 80a ESC. The original ESC will not be able to handle 4s.
Right I'll give it a go today and see if I can make big bang bang. 😂🤣
@@JohnRobinsonRC I know you will be safe as always and looking forward to the video.
I WANT big bang but I trust you! 😎😁😁😁
I'm about to break my own 60mph 3s Q901 record just loading up the trucks
What are the ESC temps like? i have a few of the 60-80 a surpass hobby ESCs here but never tried one. I have an associated (reedy) 120a ESC in one of my cars that keeps going into thermal shut down, even the steering stops working temporarily. This is not good.
Hiya. I have had zero issues with any of my Surpass Hobby esc's. Temps are fine and no shut down at all. I'm mega impressed by the quality vs the price.
Please tell how to fix problem with bad range of stock transmitter/reciever. Is it possible or not?
Hiya. As you saw on this video, I was having huge problems. I did bring new batteries so put them in but it didn't seem to help. I'll have a look tomorrow and see if I can find a solution, however I think the only way will be to replace the receiver and remote. 😕😔
Hi, I have the 124017 v2 which ESC suite's the best for 3s? Many tks
I am extremely happy with the Surpass Hobby 60 or 80 amp. Had for over a year without issues.
Thanks again, so I will go for the 80 amp. 👍
Hola cómo están mi wltoys 124017 prende el servo mueve las ruedas pero cuando quiero avanzar no avanza nose xq me hace eso ?me podrían ayudar
Not an ideal speed run location but it does have that convenient brick wall to stop your RCs 😂
Yes I went up initially to run on the road that we managed one run at the end of the video. But when we got there it felt like every speed racer in Malta were racing on it. So I went back there to record an intro and decided to use it as it was quiet. Not ideal but better than my usual spot. And yes the wall always straightens the car up! 😂😂😂🤣👌
hi put race star 80amp esc i struggle to keep it straight
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. 😊👍
How do you keep those little buggy from wheelies
Well it's not easy as you can see. Gentle throttle and pray. 🙏😂😂
I can't believe the pinion came loose.wow. you can never usually remove them things lol.
I got 91.733kph with a 3s 100 c lipo battery 57 mph top speed version 2 / 4300 kv motor 19 tooth pinion
I have the all black one and it comes alive on 3s, not so much on 2s
I actually have several of them and same thing, they all work great btw!
Hiya mate. Yeah great little esc's. Very happy and great value for money. 😊👍
Hi..i am planning to buy 124017.is it the cogging is normal?how i can prevent that?
Hiya. Yes it is still a problem. The best way I have found that improves it 90% is a 60a esc. If you can get an 80a brushless ESC then that would be better.
@@JohnRobinsonRC thank u sir.
46 on 2s is fantastic but 56 on 3s seems pretty bad.i expected 60 mph..maybe battery or tires were weak link...
I'm actually starting to think the problem with the cogging is the size of the minion, it's 27t and it's a bit big for a 2845 motor, mabye u should try a 3659 motor and see if there is any difference, because the new 124017 esc is still clogging.
Yes that's exactly the issue. They have not changed the gear ratios from the 124019 which is causing this issues. I'm happy with changing an esc which fixes the issues. I am sure many feel the same way as me that they don't want to have to buy a new motor, pinion and motor mount to fix an issue. To fix the cogging you will have to reduce the top speed even more. That's just not good. 😕
@@JohnRobinsonRC agreed, but what I plan to do is change the motor to a 3650 motor, I already ordered all the parts, so I will update you about my results. I don't plant to change my esc, because its kinda pointless, unless changing to a bigger motor is useless then I will try changing the motor and esc
Ok good luck! Just remember to buy a adjustable motor mount. 😊👍
@@JohnRobinsonRC there is no need for an adjustable one, 3650 fits perfectly, I just bought a 124019 motor mount, because the 124017 one only firmts 28mm motor, thanks for wishing me luck!
So is it as simple installing the mentioned esc to eliminate the cogging and get a speed boost?
Yes that's the great thing. Nothing else is required which is why I tried it. Simple to install and helps so much. 😊👍
@@JohnRobinsonRC thanks John. Will order asap
You are welcome. Surpass Hobby is the one I would go for. If you can afford the 120a it will improve it further. The 120a went 5 kph faster
@@JohnRobinsonRC one more thing. Do I need a programming card? Cheers.
You don't need one no. I have only just bought one after 18 months. But some say it makes the whole driving experience so much better as you can tune everything. Power delivery. Braking strength. Some even have a basic abs from what I was told. 😁
Hello. What s the risk to use a 3s battery on a 124017 v2?
Always a risk unfortunately. However as of yet I have not heard of anyone blowing up an esc except for one person that used a 120c rated battery. Don't go higher than 50c in my opinion and you should be fine.
What model is it
You remind me of Simon Cowel 🤣 I really don't know why 🤔
Wish I had his cash though..... That would be a good day! 😁😁😁
ESC 60a ?
So it's not RTR it's RTU (upgrade) Sounds like my Arrmas... 🙄
Yep that's about right mate. And I love the rtu! 😂 You need it a little longer though. RTUAUHGTD! Can you work that out? 😉😉👍
Its the esc
its the reicever thats the problem not the ec
Uhm. How did you come to that conclusion may I ask? If the receiver was the problem then when I swapped the esc's, the problems would still be there. 🤔🙄
@@JohnRobinsonRC seen another reviewer put dumbo receiver in put the old tyres on from the brushed and reprogramed ec and no cogging on 3s did 55 mph
Well Richard it seems like all solutions seems to work. Swap receiver works. Swap esc works.
Then i can buy the older models and put in brushless combo its cheaper and the new ones with the longer wheelbase are bad for bushing with their staight nose .
Its shows only WL toys dont make their job only want to sell new cars.
Put in a brush motor with crapy ESC. No improvment in RC parts cars goes much faster and you lost the control because of the range of a kiddytoy. Tires are fucking bad fo this speeds.
So please tell me for what sould i pay the money?? The old one with better upgrades is near the same price and FASTER ;-)
Im sorry this was a waste of time. Do it on a good surfice.
Sorry that makes no sense. Any surface when testing a new RC Car is worth it. And at the end of the video I tested on a perfect road and got 2 or 3 kph more so it wasn't that bad a surface was it?