Love the passion of car audio that I hear when you speak. When I talk to friends about they think I’m crazy. Thank you for all the you have shown and teach us.
I would love to hear the difference between a top tier ultra high-end factory system and a no compromise no expense spared hand assembled car audio system. You would imagine Dieter Burmester would build the best but even that system will no doubt have cost cutting measures applied. However I have found spending more money on the best components doesn't guarantee the best sound for me, I have seen and heard some middle of the road set ups that were executed to perfection that sounded far better than ultra high end ones. What I'm saying is if it doesn't sound better it isn't better. Car audio Competitions don't necessarily back up this theory. Some installs are technically great but not enjoyable to listen to. I would love to spend an hour in that car , great video, keep them coming.
i have heard this when Peter had steg dsp setup. sound great. and after he had done stage 2 of build. i was under impression exactly what he mentions. Good luck anyone trying to figure the Amt location. this is a work of art for OEM category for ears. Needs to be heard to feel it. Hats off and thank you for allowing me to listen to both stages❤
Time to renew my PS Sound Patreon membership! I was part of the community before as a observer/ knowledge seeker, but due to a hectic schedule, I couldn't keep up with all the content. Fast forward to now, and I've got a new car that's seriously in need of an audio boost. It seems like the perfect moment to get back into the groove of things and soak up all the knowledge PS Sound has to offer. Hard work always finds a way to pay off, whether it's in the form of achievements, lessons learned, or new opportunities. Keep pushing forward; the effort you put in today will open doors tomorrow.
Now we know what your ultimate build looks like. Love the use of factory locations; minimal cutting. Now the search for someone with this level of detail in the U.S.
@@pssound9749 I actually have a shop in mind that only installs what they sell, happy that it’s Audiotec brands. Maybe if I spend enough, I can get an AEIB.
A Classy OEM competition Install. Going to the smaller amps improves cargo space considerably. * Utilzing a DCDC volatge stabilizer is intersting concept. No need for High output alternator to provide stable voltage or high ampere batteries. Excellent OEM install.
Incredible! Your are making your thing to the max! I‘m also addicted to reproduce music at it‘s best. I share the way you tackle things and achieve seemingly unattainable goals with cleverness and hard work❤
Loved your video Peter 😊 I heard lots of passion, details and dedication. Impressed by the last anecdote about you scoring higher than non-oem competitors 🤩🙌 very inspiring video. I hope I'll have a chance to listen to this demo car when I travel to UK ☺ (Cause having myself a baby OEM SQ system in my car 😂) Much love from south of France 🙌
Peter/Eddie absolutely loved the full video your car is absolute perfection you have raised bar with what me and friend are doing with our audio just from your advice on your videos hopefully we can make the trick from Glasgow to see your car at some point this year and possible book in for a set up on the dap as well thankyou for every thing yous do.
Let’s plan it in advance and then we maybe able to organise a meeting at our usual spot in Brighton too, so you could hear many different systems too. 😎🔊🔊🔊
The Riven SRP is a pretty spectacular piece. It works unlike any other center or multi-channel processing algorithm out there. I know the owner and this thing has been in dev for several years now. He did all the electronic design as well as the software design, and currently final assembles all the units. It literally extracts the center information out of the stereo input, so not like a L+R type of setup, so it doesn't collapse the stage. A byproduct of what it does is the layering in the stage is much more defined. It requires a different mindset towards tuning as there is no L/R time alignment differential, but once you get it down it is pretty nice. It works best when you have a center that can play as low as possible, preferably into the midbass region (100hz or so). I have a 2013 cls550 with the riven and my center is a 5" MB and 3" wideband. 3's in the dash corners. It is a pretty nice setup. Look forward to seeing what you do when you get one.
This much for an audio system, hidden behind oem panels that are fractions in price to the cheapest part of the audio system? Wow. It's macabre, but loved the addiction analogy as i experience that same irrationality (according to normal people) with my own gear, while seeing my customers drop thousands after hearing my car (which your channel inspired me to build 🤙). However, I never and hope to never get close to half this amount on a system, especially for a customer! Not many know of the conditions and qualifications you have to go through to sell these systems, let alone become a vendor of world-class audio products! The trust all of these manufacturers have in you to basically never port holes in speakers or drive amps to their excessive limits must be greater than repeat customers that have full faith in your team to refabricate their interior in the name of high fidelity. I mean it semi-jokingly, but you've clearly created a mythic figure around pssound in the car audio community. My career in it is plagued with having to remember full names of people who work at places several degrees away from me, but when I say "Peter", everyone knows who I'm referring to. The constant improvements of creativity in pssound systems reminds me of the innovating powerhouse spirit of this industry at its peak in the 90s. Never experienced it myself being a generation after, but this channel gives me hope that I'll get to work in the next industrial peak with OEM integration. Thanks a lot!
Hi Daniel Thank you for your kind words! Yes, this system is rather expensive, but it’s still cheap compared to what some people spent on some of the systems at Euro Finals! There are at least 5-10 cars in Salzburg where they spent over €50k just on equipment! I know numerous projects Far East where the cost of equipment is over 6digits plus materials and labour costs! Having said that, knowledge and experience to install and tune have more value than anything else! If you think that you can never build big projects for clients like this, then you maybe just a step away from it! Of course you always have to show them that you can deliver first. If you’re serious about your future, then you should definitely consider the System Design and Tuning Master Class i offer and multiple locations of the world. Where do you live?
Very excellent build, thinking of going this OEM style for my s400 as well. Just a question with other high end tweeter like the focal beryllium, accuton automotive that i see you use on other higher end build, why did you choose the brax tweeter.
Hi Peter i watch your channel long time ago. I search too much how I install DSP on factory amplifier I have many way to do it but i would like to know your way. Appreciate your effort Thanks
Wondering if the Brax ML8 fits well in the E-class like it seems to in the S-Class. I’m guessing going with the ML8 means front sub isnt wanted/needed as opposed to say going with the higher end but less beefy Accuton midbass.
Hi Yes, we wanted to use Real Centre algorithm that Audiotec Fischer DSPs have, Zapco does not. Also, Conductor controller is way easier to install in a car like the S-Class. Third thing is reliability.
If let’s say we have 20 boxes to tick for judging a system, they have some common boxes and some boxes that they tick differently, but overall they’d come close to the same overall result. The S-Class is a bit better composed and refined, but the Honda has more headroom and insane delivery on bass that you can never do with an OEM design system like the Merc. However, Merc is fully practical, whereas the Honda is far from it! 😃😂
Hello Peter, have you considered selling posters of this car, like in the last photo with the lights above it? I would actually buy it and hang it on the wall as something to aspire to
Great car I'm in the process of getting a similar question. I have one question since Focal Utopia drivers are designed for IB will the work in sealed enclosures or do I have to go with true IB kicks.
What setup would u suggest to someone who is new in audiophile experience, with no experience of how SQ system sounds like? Like something to begin as a nice setup in front with a sub in boot and approx price excluding labour for 90-95% hip hop and 5% mix of all other genres. If u have a video can u share the link? Or maybe make a video about how to start getting slowly with limited budget in these hiFi setups
SQ in Car playlist explains it well what you have to focus on. We have many projects shared in then EXPLAINED walkaround playlist where we have simple daily systems, like DSP amplifier + mono sub amp, mid+tweeters on the pillars, midbass in doors, sub at the back. That’s where it starts.
Well worth watching till the end If you need to ask the cost then you can't afford it is the old saying I do need your help sourcing the DC converter for my M4 if possible please
Hello Well, some people can’t afford, but some can, they just don’t know as it’s not like home audio where you can just add up the price tags of products. Here you have lots of man hours and material costs too. What’s the current system in the M4? How much current do we need to deal with?
What are your reasons to choose the S-class over 7-series? For technical reasons, will the 7-series be a good car for a SQ build over S-class? Is it noisier than S-class while driving?
Yes, it’s full OEM layout where you can’t do custom madness, but to be fair you don’t need front sub in this car. It has a pair of Brax ML8s in the furthest locations upfront mounted on the firewall. People get shocked when they hear what upfront impact we have in this car!
The time you took to make it as close as possible to factory and that too with PS sound SQ level is very commendable. One query. How different is micro-precision DCDC power converter-stabilizer compared to AudioSolution Power block S-150. I understand that these devices go after battery and before the amplifiers for maintaining stable higher voltage. Also Do you think can we achieve similar voltage stabilization for amplifiers with Victron XS 50A DC-DC converter which goes before the secondary battery in the boot. Thanks
Audio Solution works the same, it has more features though than just power stabilisation. Victron DC-DC is not a stabiliser, it’s a charging regulator, which is a different function.
It’s also about the material you use and structural strength of the panel after cutouts. Until you have enough surface area equivalent of the cone, it shouldn’t matter.
You mentioned the space for rear sub and speaker location were part of the reason for W222...between the other 3 (LS500, A8 and 7 series), which would have been a good 2nd choice for optimal for a project like this?
Well, none of them has decent space for this system layout in the trunk. Then Audi and Lexus have midbass in the door, which is not great. Lexus at least has dash location for mids iirc. BMW has midbass under the seats, which at least is more rigid mounting, but less favourable for SQ staging. So when you look at the overall system design, nothing can tick ✅ so many boxes as the W222.
@pssound9749 I have the LS500, yes there are three mid range spots in the dash and the mid bass is in the doors. I have an install I'm debating with good quality speakers and amps (Brax x4, Thesis 3 way + an extra 3inch mid, SQL 12 sub). I watched a number of your videos in particular that of the thesis install whereas the mid bass would suffer from a loss around 50-100Hz range. Do you think doing a front sub on the passenger kick area with say the Morel 10 powerslom or the focal 10wm sub could makeup for that area in addition to a single SQl 12 in the trunk sealed? Also considered running thr sql 12 in IB/Free air through the rear seat/ or rear deck for the 50hz and lower range. All on a helix ultra.
I could talk about this for like half an hour. Actually there is a weekly topic about it on our Patreon channel. Many things change since, technology, possibilities in system design, car interior, so many factors.
Hi Peter, I love your videos. I've been thinking of doing something different. I just want to know thoughts on this setup sony xav-9500es headunit focal flax evo ps165fe3 3 way for the fronts and focal pc165sf 2 way coaxial for rear and focal k2 power m sub5 boot subwoofer in mazda speed 3 mps bl 2012 haven't chosen amps
Very clean install but that sub mount is definitely not my style. I don’t like cutting holes into the cars body like that and I’d rather keep my speaker protected and away from the elements. You never know when you have to drive through a puddle of water. Never ran that equipment though. I’ve mostly ran JL Audio W6 and W7 and their shallow mount series subs. In my opinion they have the best shallow mount subs in the business. And depending of the install between JL, Focal or Morel for the mids and highs.
What is your opinion on center channels, using the the Helix processing? What bandwidth should it play? Midrange, full range or 2-way? I happen to have an OEM spot for a 6.5" center and 1-2 extra DSP and amp channels after 3-way front and rear-fill.
Ideally you want to cover the vocal range from 150Hz and up and same way as your L&R speakers. In this one we just kept it simple and used a Brax ML3 as a wideband all the way up it can play.
You need solid response upfront between 50-100Hz and then the rear sub just have to compliment the range below. For those music genres the front-end has to smash the tight upper bass.
Right ok. Well taking the Mercedes E class or S Class template, with say the ML8 midbass buried in the footwell, would the ML6 also in door enclosure be beneficial or just a lot of customisation for rather minor gains and making things unnecessarily more complex. Just thinking of and toying with 16 channel set-ups with Mercedes.
So I have an SL550 and iam slowly building a Sq system bit, more than anything g trying to learn all I can so probably to most of you some of my questions my sound silly but , I am trying to learn. Anyway , one thing I really don't like in my current system is when turned on and especially when the amp turned up with NO music playing is the hiss or white noise I hear.. Is that something with lower quality amps ? Would a high end amp eliminate this white noise. Current amp is a recoiled red 1800.5. It does over rated power and it very strong but, I just have this damn white noise. Thanks in advance guys.
First check that the gains on the amp are not turned higher than required to match the input signal. High gain can introduce more floor noise. Of course some amps have lower S/N = signal to noise ratio and can be noiser.
Well spotted! When we built the car last year few weeks before the EMMA EU Finals, we had to face that the car was challenging us greatly as it’s packed with lots of electronics throwing great amount of EMF and we had insane amount of noise on our custom cables. Due to short time we had to take all the rcas out and try pre-made Stinger 8000&9000 series and we got rid of the noises. After that i just didn’t bother to try to test new custom cables.
Hi Peter, how are the MP Serie 7 amplifier? Are they better than the Zapco amps? Do you hear a difference? What about the Brax DSP. Is it better than the Zapco HDSP with ESS9038pro DAC in terms of sound quality?
You can hear about the amps in the video, but i can also tell that it’s difficult to ask for better results than these MP7 series amplifiers. We have almost zero floor noise (difficult to achieve with most other amps), plenty of control and headroom. The system is definitely quite something with them that needs experiencing. Zapco HDSP-V sounds amazing, but we didn’t have a chance to put it side by side with the Brax, so can’t compare them like a true A/B, but it’s certainly another special DSP that fits this system on this level.
Love the passion of car audio that I hear when you speak. When I talk to friends about they think I’m crazy. Thank you for all the you have shown and teach us.
hardest working guy in the business!
I would love to hear the difference between a top tier ultra high-end factory system and a no compromise no expense spared hand assembled car audio system. You would imagine Dieter Burmester would build the best but even that system will no doubt have cost cutting measures applied. However I have found spending more money on the best components doesn't guarantee the best sound for me, I have seen and heard some middle of the road set ups that were executed to perfection that sounded far better than ultra high end ones. What I'm saying is if it doesn't sound better it isn't better. Car audio Competitions don't necessarily back up this theory. Some installs are technically great but not enjoyable to listen to. I would love to spend an hour in that car , great video, keep them coming.
Anyone is welcome to listen to it. Our doors are always open. Where do you live?
I live in Ireland but come to the UK regularly. Would love the opportunity. Used to dabble with Iasca back in the early 2000s.
@@pssound9749 Are you coming to germany this year?
i have heard this when Peter had steg dsp setup. sound great. and after he had done stage 2 of build. i was under impression exactly what he mentions. Good luck anyone trying to figure the Amt location. this is a work of art for OEM category for ears. Needs to be heard to feel it. Hats off and thank you for allowing me to listen to both stages❤
Time to renew my PS Sound Patreon membership! I was part of the community before as a observer/ knowledge seeker, but due to a hectic schedule, I couldn't keep up with all the content. Fast forward to now, and I've got a new car that's seriously in need of an audio boost. It seems like the perfect moment to get back into the groove of things and soak up all the knowledge PS Sound has to offer.
Hard work always finds a way to pay off, whether it's in the form of achievements, lessons learned, or new opportunities. Keep pushing forward; the effort you put in today will open doors tomorrow.
That’s it, that’s what i always say! Many doors 🚪 have to open for us and for everyone else who learns and puts effort in.
I would expect nothing less than pure excellence coming from PSSOUND and you always bring that next level! Bravo Peter and Edi!👏🏼
Now we know what your ultimate build looks like. Love the use of factory locations; minimal cutting.
Now the search for someone with this level of detail in the U.S.
There are plenty of installers and shops who can build systems like this over there.
@@pssound9749 I actually have a shop in mind that only installs what they sell, happy that it’s Audiotec brands. Maybe if I spend enough, I can get an AEIB.
@@pssound9749can you name some plz
A Classy OEM competition Install. Going to the smaller amps improves cargo space considerably. * Utilzing a DCDC volatge stabilizer is intersting concept. No need for High output alternator to provide stable voltage or high ampere batteries.
Excellent OEM install.
Dope car, dope sound system, dope installation and workmanship and an amazing PSSOUND Team. 🙌🏾
Incredible! Your are making your thing to the max! I‘m also addicted to reproduce music at it‘s best. I share the way you tackle things and achieve seemingly unattainable goals with cleverness and hard work❤
Quiet comfy car with perfect sound. One of the things to strive for. Great job. I love this level of attention to the details and OEM look
Congratulations, Peter. You always inspire me to achieve better results in car audio, as well as in life.
This car is awesome and really needs to be listened to, it’s worth the travel.
Mercedes + PSSound = Love 😍😄 Awesome project and wonderfull result. Can't wait to hear the new MP speakers 😉 All the best Peter & Edi ✌🏻
❌✅ Stunning
O.E demo Build .
Nice Artwork 🖼️
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DESIGN AND LAYOUT ☝️😎💯
💃🕺 you’ve
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Thank you Pete for doing this. This is pure passion.
Hats off to you, Peter! I salute you and your creative words of hard work and consistency! The car is beautiful!
❤️🙂🔊🔊
Loved your video Peter 😊 I heard lots of passion, details and dedication. Impressed by the last anecdote about you scoring higher than non-oem competitors 🤩🙌 very inspiring video.
I hope I'll have a chance to listen to this demo car when I travel to UK ☺
(Cause having myself a baby OEM SQ system in my car 😂)
Much love from south of France 🙌
Absolutelly love the the cabeling setup and the DC stabilizer idea. ❤ I can't wait to listen to this!🎉
Congratulations peter Godbless my guy
Amazing work Pete, your hard work and passion for audio is amazing.
So much talent! That’s a really special project, thank you for the inspiration!
Amazing build as always Peter , thanks for sharing!
Great work Peter, im still learning stuff from your vids. Congrats on a beautiful build mate
Every time you go next level I wanna upgrade my system!! My friends are in awe of mine😅😅I can't even imagine what yours sounds like!!
You can always get a demo of it! 😉🔊🔊
Awesome Pete, great work and vid. Echo the other comments regarding your audio passion, love it mate 👊
Peter/Eddie absolutely loved the full video your car is absolute perfection you have raised bar with what me and friend are doing with our audio just from your advice on your videos hopefully we can make the trick from Glasgow to see your car at some point this year and possible book in for a set up on the dap as well thankyou for every thing yous do.
Let’s plan it in advance and then we maybe able to organise a meeting at our usual spot in Brighton too, so you could hear many different systems too. 😎🔊🔊🔊
@@pssound9749 will that would be good
The Riven SRP is a pretty spectacular piece. It works unlike any other center or multi-channel processing algorithm out there. I know the owner and this thing has been in dev for several years now. He did all the electronic design as well as the software design, and currently final assembles all the units.
It literally extracts the center information out of the stereo input, so not like a L+R type of setup, so it doesn't collapse the stage. A byproduct of what it does is the layering in the stage is much more defined. It requires a different mindset towards tuning as there is no L/R time alignment differential, but once you get it down it is pretty nice. It works best when you have a center that can play as low as possible, preferably into the midbass region (100hz or so).
I have a 2013 cls550 with the riven and my center is a 5" MB and 3" wideband. 3's in the dash corners. It is a pretty nice setup. Look forward to seeing what you do when you get one.
It just takes passion! Amazing!
Awesome job !!! 😊. Thanks for sharing. Congratulations on your success. 🎉
This much for an audio system, hidden behind oem panels that are fractions in price to the cheapest part of the audio system? Wow. It's macabre, but loved the addiction analogy as i experience that same irrationality (according to normal people) with my own gear, while seeing my customers drop thousands after hearing my car (which your channel inspired me to build 🤙). However, I never and hope to never get close to half this amount on a system, especially for a customer! Not many know of the conditions and qualifications you have to go through to sell these systems, let alone become a vendor of world-class audio products! The trust all of these manufacturers have in you to basically never port holes in speakers or drive amps to their excessive limits must be greater than repeat customers that have full faith in your team to refabricate their interior in the name of high fidelity.
I mean it semi-jokingly, but you've clearly created a mythic figure around pssound in the car audio community. My career in it is plagued with having to remember full names of people who work at places several degrees away from me, but when I say "Peter", everyone knows who I'm referring to. The constant improvements of creativity in pssound systems reminds me of the innovating powerhouse spirit of this industry at its peak in the 90s. Never experienced it myself being a generation after, but this channel gives me hope that I'll get to work in the next industrial peak with OEM integration. Thanks a lot!
Hi Daniel
Thank you for your kind words! Yes, this system is rather expensive, but it’s still cheap compared to what some people spent on some of the systems at Euro Finals! There are at least 5-10 cars in Salzburg where they spent over €50k just on equipment! I know numerous projects Far East where the cost of equipment is over 6digits plus materials and labour costs!
Having said that, knowledge and experience to install and tune have more value than anything else! If you think that you can never build big projects for clients like this, then you maybe just a step away from it! Of course you always have to show them that you can deliver first. If you’re serious about your future, then you should definitely consider the System Design and Tuning Master Class i offer and multiple locations of the world.
Where do you live?
@@pssound9749 I live in the Northwestern US. I'm already in contact with Evan from your last San Diego training.
Absolutely amazing installation 😮❤
Definitely saving my spare well for a sub to do similar setup.
Looks amazing I know it sounds fantastic
amazing as always
That's an IRA on wheels ! but an Absolutely Stunning set up !
Would love to hear the S Class in Salzburg this weekend!
Ill come up to you :)
All i can recommend not to be shy as we’ll have pretty crazy crowd like every year.
i like the new flooring in the shop. looks much nicer! don't do burnouts on it tho haha
Excellent video, i like it in all details. Big thx.
Very excellent build, thinking of going this OEM style for my s400 as well. Just a question with other high end tweeter like the focal beryllium, accuton automotive that i see you use on other higher end build, why did you choose the brax tweeter.
Executed perfectly 🔥
That is epic. That’s the perfect car for a demo vehicle.
Do you offer some sort of consultancy online? I have a question regarding the NavTV unit.
I don’t book consultations for just a question, feel free to ask!
Love it dude xx
This car needed more than just what you heard in it 2 years ago. Now it all came together. 💪🏼😎🔊🔊
Hi Peter i watch your channel long time ago. I search too much how I install DSP on factory amplifier I have many way to do it but i would like to know your way. Appreciate your effort Thanks
Wondering if the Brax ML8 fits well in the E-class like it seems to in the S-Class. I’m guessing going with the ML8 means front sub isnt wanted/needed as opposed to say going with the higher end but less beefy Accuton midbass.
You can do silly things with a pair of ML8MID in a Mercedes for sure if you can fit them. It wasn’t so simple though, but it was manageable for us.
Right ok. Thought it might be easier so won’t let the platform of the Merc or Audi decide my next car.
Bonjour, pourquoi avez vous choisis le Dsp Brax et non le Zapco par ex, il y a une réelle différence entre le Zapco et le Brax ?
Hi
Yes, we wanted to use Real Centre algorithm that Audiotec Fischer DSPs have, Zapco does not. Also, Conductor controller is way easier to install in a car like the S-Class. Third thing is reliability.
Amazing. Now that the Honda is working again, have you been able to compare them side by side? If you had to score them on SQ only, which is better?
If let’s say we have 20 boxes to tick for judging a system, they have some common boxes and some boxes that they tick differently, but overall they’d come close to the same overall result.
The S-Class is a bit better composed and refined, but the Honda has more headroom and insane delivery on bass that you can never do with an OEM design system like the Merc. However, Merc is fully practical, whereas the Honda is far from it! 😃😂
Hello Peter, have you considered selling posters of this car, like in the last photo with the lights above it? I would actually buy it and hang it on the wall as something to aspire to
Amazing.💯🔝
Great car I'm in the process of getting a similar question. I have one question since Focal Utopia drivers are designed for IB will the work in sealed enclosures or do I have to go with true IB kicks.
If you already have the speaker, then just try it, you may get surprised! 🔊🔊
What setup would u suggest to someone who is new in audiophile experience, with no experience of how SQ system sounds like? Like something to begin as a nice setup in front with a sub in boot and approx price excluding labour for 90-95% hip hop and 5% mix of all other genres.
If u have a video can u share the link? Or maybe make a video about how to start getting slowly with limited budget in these hiFi setups
SQ in Car playlist explains it well what you have to focus on.
We have many projects shared in then EXPLAINED walkaround playlist where we have simple daily systems, like DSP amplifier + mono sub amp, mid+tweeters on the pillars, midbass in doors, sub at the back. That’s where it starts.
Well worth watching till the end
If you need to ask the cost then you can't afford it is the old saying
I do need your help sourcing the DC converter for my M4 if possible please
Hello
Well, some people can’t afford, but some can, they just don’t know as it’s not like home audio where you can just add up the price tags of products. Here you have lots of man hours and material costs too.
What’s the current system in the M4? How much current do we need to deal with?
Unde va putem găsi în România ? As avea un proiect pentru dumneavoasta
What are your reasons to choose the S-class over 7-series? For technical reasons, will the 7-series be a good car for a SQ build over S-class? Is it noisier than S-class while driving?
1. OEM speaker locations are way better
2. It has space under the floor in the trunk
This car is very nice
👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 car audio passion!…..soooo no up front sub? 🤔 or is that due to the particular class you’re competing in?
Yes, it’s full OEM layout where you can’t do custom madness, but to be fair you don’t need front sub in this car. It has a pair of Brax ML8s in the furthest locations upfront mounted on the firewall. People get shocked when they hear what upfront impact we have in this car!
Pete where do you cross those super tweeters at?
It’s really down to what the main tweeters do and personal preference, but you’d be looking at crossing in the 10-12kHz range.
YES FINALLYY
The time you took to make it as close as possible to factory and that too with PS sound SQ level is very commendable.
One query.
How different is micro-precision DCDC power converter-stabilizer compared to AudioSolution Power block S-150. I understand that these devices go after battery and before the amplifiers for maintaining stable higher voltage.
Also Do you think can we achieve similar voltage stabilization for amplifiers with Victron XS 50A DC-DC converter which goes before the secondary battery in the boot.
Thanks
Audio Solution works the same, it has more features though than just power stabilisation.
Victron DC-DC is not a stabiliser, it’s a charging regulator, which is a different function.
Would square cutouts instead of circles on the subwoofer panel offer more area for transfer? Circles are the least efficient shape when packed.
It’s also about the material you use and structural strength of the panel after cutouts. Until you have enough surface area equivalent of the cone, it shouldn’t matter.
@@pssound9749 Ah I see. Learnt something new today w.r.t the surface area of the cone. Thanks for that! Goes into the memory vault.
You mentioned the space for rear sub and speaker location were part of the reason for W222...between the other 3 (LS500, A8 and 7 series), which would have been a good 2nd choice for optimal for a project like this?
Well, none of them has decent space for this system layout in the trunk. Then Audi and Lexus have midbass in the door, which is not great. Lexus at least has dash location for mids iirc.
BMW has midbass under the seats, which at least is more rigid mounting, but less favourable for SQ staging. So when you look at the overall system design, nothing can tick ✅ so many boxes as the W222.
@pssound9749 I have the LS500, yes there are three mid range spots in the dash and the mid bass is in the doors. I have an install I'm debating with good quality speakers and amps (Brax x4, Thesis 3 way + an extra 3inch mid, SQL 12 sub). I watched a number of your videos in particular that of the thesis install whereas the mid bass would suffer from a loss around 50-100Hz range. Do you think doing a front sub on the passenger kick area with say the Morel 10 powerslom or the focal 10wm sub could makeup for that area in addition to a single SQl 12 in the trunk sealed? Also considered running thr sql 12 in IB/Free air through the rear seat/ or rear deck for the 50hz and lower range. All on a helix ultra.
That power stabilizer is insane! I can't find it on the web anywhere. Is it by Micro Precision?
Yes it is made by Micro Precision.
How do you feel about Wave Guides I remember listening to competition cars in the late 90's?
I could talk about this for like half an hour. Actually there is a weekly topic about it on our Patreon channel.
Many things change since, technology, possibilities in system design, car interior, so many factors.
Hi Peter, I love your videos. I've been thinking of doing something different. I just want to know thoughts on this setup sony xav-9500es headunit focal flax evo ps165fe3 3 way for the fronts and focal pc165sf 2 way coaxial for rear and focal k2 power m sub5 boot subwoofer in mazda speed 3 mps bl 2012 haven't chosen amps
Oh and how does cutting holes, especially big ones in the structure of the vehicle affect the resale value or would a dealer even take it for trade?
You can put the plate back properly, deaden it over and nobody will ever know.
Very clean install but that sub mount is definitely not my style. I don’t like cutting holes into the cars body like that and I’d rather keep my speaker protected and away from the elements. You never know when you have to drive through a puddle of water. Never ran that equipment though. I’ve mostly ran JL Audio W6 and W7 and their shallow mount series subs. In my opinion they have the best shallow mount subs in the business. And depending of the install between JL, Focal or Morel for the mids and highs.
What is your opinion on center channels, using the the Helix processing?
What bandwidth should it play? Midrange, full range or 2-way?
I happen to have an OEM spot for a 6.5" center and 1-2 extra DSP and amp channels after 3-way front and rear-fill.
Ideally you want to cover the vocal range from 150Hz and up and same way as your L&R speakers. In this one we just kept it simple and used a Brax ML3 as a wideband all the way up it can play.
You heve to try silk dom soft super tweater
Wavecor have like this
Go up to 50/60 khz.
With amt ribon tweater
,is hevenly
How much is this dc to dc power stabilizer and where can I buy one?
Can you share a link to purchase the waterproof rain guard please.
Something like this:
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Is a single 15'' inch sub in true IB enough? Say for playing dance or house music well/loud
You need solid response upfront between 50-100Hz and then the rear sub just have to compliment the range below. For those music genres the front-end has to smash the tight upper bass.
Right ok. Well taking the Mercedes E class or S Class template, with say the ML8 midbass buried in the footwell, would the ML6 also in door enclosure be beneficial or just a lot of customisation for rather minor gains and making things unnecessarily more complex. Just thinking of and toying with 16 channel set-ups with Mercedes.
am I the only one who hears a slight ~1100Hz noise in the background of the video?!
oh damn, 31:55 that was the car!
No i hear it too 😅
So I have an SL550 and iam slowly building a Sq system bit, more than anything g trying to learn all I can so probably to most of you some of my questions my sound silly but , I am trying to learn.
Anyway , one thing I really don't like in my current system is when turned on and especially when the amp turned up with NO music playing is the hiss or white noise I hear.. Is that something with lower quality amps ? Would a high end amp eliminate this white noise. Current amp is a recoiled red 1800.5. It does over rated power and it very strong but, I just have this damn white noise. Thanks in advance guys.
First check that the gains on the amp are not turned higher than required to match the input signal. High gain can introduce more floor noise.
Of course some amps have lower S/N = signal to noise ratio and can be noiser.
I see you changed the rca cables why?
Well spotted! When we built the car last year few weeks before the EMMA EU Finals, we had to face that the car was challenging us greatly as it’s packed with lots of electronics throwing great amount of EMF and we had insane amount of noise on our custom cables. Due to short time we had to take all the rcas out and try pre-made Stinger 8000&9000 series and we got rid of the noises. After that i just didn’t bother to try to test new custom cables.
@@pssound9749 I bought the Stinger 9000 series cables largely for the looks. I'm glad to hear that they perform.
Hi Peter, how are the MP Serie 7 amplifier? Are they better than the Zapco amps? Do you hear a difference? What about the Brax DSP. Is it better than the Zapco HDSP with ESS9038pro DAC in terms of sound quality?
You can hear about the amps in the video, but i can also tell that it’s difficult to ask for better results than these MP7 series amplifiers. We have almost zero floor noise (difficult to achieve with most other amps), plenty of control and headroom. The system is definitely quite something with them that needs experiencing.
Zapco HDSP-V sounds amazing, but we didn’t have a chance to put it side by side with the Brax, so can’t compare them like a true A/B, but it’s certainly another special DSP that fits this system on this level.
@pssound9749 great 👍 job Peter your videos really get the procrastination out and makes listeners want to design and improve their systems
Wait for the new sabre dacs for the Brax Dsp analogue output cards 😉
Is that the Zapco dsp? I just bought a used Helix Ultra.
This system has the Brax DSP.
@@pssound9749 Thanks I am sure I will enjoy the Helix Ultra.
hi, did you install mids brax ml8, if so, can I find out on which machine?
Hi, they’re the ML8MID drivers. They were not plug’n’play for this car, we had to do custom work to make them fit.
@@pssound9749 thanks for the answer, I'm looking for suitable midrange and tweeters for ml8
How many watts the package
I use silk teeter below the ribbon twitter and above silk dom super teetwr
How can I get the super tweeters
Hi,
Where do you live?
Id get a little yellow paint and clean that 6 up to look a little more like an S.
FTP
Haha then you could be chased by the police! 😂
I would have loved another 30min on the rears
On the rears?
@@pssound9749 on the rear speakers :)
@@ВикторШишков what more did you want to see? 😃
lol oh they’ll definitely know when that plate hits the ground….once you compromise a solid structure it’s only a matter of time
That plate is only for the spare wheel well, 1mm thin. Once you weld it back it’s just as strong, no difference.
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Indeed RESOLUTION is key....and DYNAMICS....and these are not in the spec.
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