I see the comments about dual screen still being possible with the laptop screen and a display. Sure if that's how you want to work, you could still get dual displays out of it. But that doesn't change the fact that previous computers on older/weaker hardware were able to do this and it's being intentionally limited now.
I don’t see how it’s limited any more than a Mac mini is. Keep in mind the Mac mini is headless, so any monitor counts as one. The mini can support two displays (both external) while the M3 MacBook Pro also supports two displays (built-in plus one external). If Apple had built in the ability to show two external displays, that would be three displays, which the mini cannot do. You can argue two displays isn’t enough, but that’s a different discussion. It’s no different than the M2 MacBook Air, which can support only two displays (built-in plus one external). Having an HDMI port doesn’t mean the chip can support an extra display just as two Thunderbolt ports can still only support one external on the Air. BTW, the difference between Thunderbolt 3 and 4 is relatively minor, but one requirement Intel has for labeling something as Thunderbolt 4 is the ability to support two external displays. Since the port is otherwise the same, they can only call it Thunderbolt 3 for the sole reason it doesn’t support two external displays. Since USB4 has no such requirement, they can call it USB4 even though it’s pretty much the same as TB4. A TB4 port is also considered USB4. Yeah, it’s confusing.
Just ordered a 16” M3 Pro 36GB…now, what is the best usb hub and docking setup? Or something along those lines… :). I haven’t really thought it through to replace my old desktop PC.
That's simply not correct. The 14" laptop also supports 2 displays -- it's just that one of them is the built-in display. The Mac Mini M1 could support 2 external displays because it has no on-board display. The limitation is in all of the M-series base processors. There's nothing malicious about it, it's just part of how they chose to keep the base M processors simpler for higher yields.
It's absolutely crazy to think its already three years from your last camera review in this channel. Not everyone can pivot to different genre and retain audience m, so great to see you and the channel doing well.
Great video. This replaced the 13 MacBook Pro with the touch bar. Apple genuinely believes SOMEBODY out here wants a MacBook more powerful than an Air but doesn’t need the “Pro” chip. I believe that’s true but Apple really priced this terribly. If they had priced this $100-150 less, they would have found their audience.
@@4js123 excellent! Your base model was $1300 I believe. Today, someone looking to buy your machine will find a larger, Liquid Retina, 120hz display, better speakers, more ports and more storage for $1600! I think $1450-1500 price point and this upgraded M3 model would have flown off the shelves.
hey man, just popping in to say it's 2100 eur in Europe. Have a nice day/evening! (I'm going to hang myself over Apple prices in the EU one day or another, and I'm telling you this being fully conscious I bough an M3 Pro MB Pro)
A lot of people do not understand this product and sadly make misinformed judgements. This is a fancy ultrabook, it is not for pros. That is point one, so a pro like TheEverydayDad should not buy this. Secondly, no one pays the full price. I have seen this for £200 off even at launch and is £130 off on Amazon at the moment. They have this model so they can discount it during the usual periods. Its for those that do not need a pro chip (M3 Pro/M3 Max) but want the luxury extras.
I recently purchased the M3 standard MacBook Pro, primarily for client-facing presentations and proposal creation. Battery life is a crucial factor for me as I spend the entire day using my computer. After watching your video, I realized that I overlooked the refurbished options. I appreciate your approach of not focusing solely on technical specifications that may not be relevant to my specific use case. Thank you for providing valuable insights without overwhelming me with unnecessary details!
Thank you a lot for the real world clarification of the M3 MbP 14" limitations. I never guessed Apple would go that far to limit the usage - knowing what earlier models would do. Thank you.
I was actually going to the Mac store for the M2 pro but it was sold out so I decided to buy the M3 base model. Almost 2 weeks and everything is good. Playing sims and a little bit of Adobe premier no problem at all.
@@adamegbaria5475 I have a slightly upgraded model with the base M3 chip. Since it has only one fan, it can get hot, but that's gradually if you do somewhat more complicated tasks.
I bought the base M3 MacBook Pro last week at the Apple Store close to where I live. I am perfectly happy with it and the base M3 MacBook Pro is awesome for the things I need. I traded in my 2020 Mi MacBook Air for $465 and I am very satisfied with the exchange. For viewing, and the speaker quality, it is awesome. Thanks for your video. I see your point but for my needs, the base M3 MacBook Pro is perfect for me.
@@adamlwk Dont listen to these dumb youtubers. If your full time career is not video editing, designer or 3d rendering, the base m3 is perfectly fine. Using browsers, excel, powerpoint, etc you will notice no difference on the more expensive models.
Totaly with you on Apple limiting it to one display on M3. But just to be fair - it has always been like that since M1. Mac mini with Thunderbolt + HDMI supports 2 screens in total. So does any Macbook: internal screen + 1 external screen = 2 screens. But yeah, in 2023 it's the same silly limitation as the 8GB of unified memory in the base model and USB 2.0 in the base iPhone 15.
It never should have been limited. There are several software that circumvent the issue without a hitch, highlighting the decision Apple made to hamper our hardware.
Just like every other consumer personal computer, the M3 hardware is “limited” because this base model which is meant for regular consumers, the vast majority of which don’t use external monitors period, much less a dual external monitor setup. The base M1, M2 and now M3 was purpose built to support only 2 monitors for those reasons. The laptops support 2 monitors; 1 internal, 1 external. The Mac mini supports 2 monitors 2 external. It’s really that simple. Personally, I don’t think this product should exist, especially with the pro name, but it is what it is. At least you’re informed enough to not buy it if it doesn’t meet your needs.
@@volatilememory9338 haha, yep. The infamous Apple sales funnel. Luxury car brands like BMW, Mercedes Benz and Porsche have been using this strategy to great effect for decades. The base models are rarely any good, they just exist to get folks in the door.
A quick note on the fan noise ... the base M3 model has only one fan in the chassis vs two fans in the M3 Pro and M3 Max. Maybe this is why fan noise was noticeable in the tests you ran.
I was contemplating the base version, but was put off by the RAM and increase this to 16GB as an upgrade worked out to only £200 lower than the binned M3 Pro 14 - meaning I could get extra better ports, colour (space black) and I get additional 2GB RAM (18GB) on top so went for that spec
traded in m1 macbook air for m3 macbook pro 14" base model. huge improvements, better built, better screen, better keyboard, hdmi port to 42" monitor, fantastic upgrade. would highly recommend. was considering 16" MBP for higher ram and bigger screen, but for $1000 more, determined it was not worth it and don't regret the 14" base m3 purchase!
When I upgraded my M1 MacBook Air to the new base m3 MacBook Pro I knew it was not a PRO level machine. And I don’t use it for that. I’m a college student, I mainly use Microsoft word, RUclips, and gmail along with some extra apps and things here and there. Did I need to upgrade? Hell no. My m1 was running like clockwork and after 2 years I could’ve kept it even longer. I upgraded because I wanted better speakers ( even tho the m1 was already exceptional), the promotion display and more brightness. If you are thinking about getting this laptop as a student and it is within your budget pls grab it. Even at the baseline if you do what I outlined above this machine is already future proof even with 8gb of ram. This is not a PRO machine, it’s basically just the best MacBook Air in my opinion. Plus with apple trade in and the student discount, my m3 came out to be just 1k which I believe is a steal for this new device. Hope this info helps anyone thinking about upgrading!
Thing is even if it came with 16GB of ram for the same $1600 price, there would still be plenty of reasons to buy the M3 Pro MacBook instead for $400 more, including dual monitor support, faster CPU and GPU, two fans for better cooling, and faster SSD speeds.
@@bulletpoint5023At least the M3 MacBook wouldn't totally suck, and at least there will still be many reasons for many people to upgrade to the M3 Pro
Model twice the price is better then base model... ok did you really just spend 8 minutes telling me that. It's not a bad laptop its more then 90% of people would need and I doubt most would see any performance dip. I'm planning to buy one and upgrade from my 2015 13" Macbook Pro, I still get good results from this old thing so the 8 year newer model shouldn't have any issues. Just don't compare it to the high end spec that costs so much more for clear reasons.
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great video, finally someone bringing attention to the details about flaws that noone do. I also didnt know about the weaker ports on base model!
People need clarification. This is not the base 14-inch, as it only has an M3 chip, not the M3 Pro. The base M3 Pro is £400 more. This is the replacement for the MB Pro 13 M2, which was and always has been an ultrabook; ergo a MB Air with a fan and a few extras. It has never been targeted at prosumers like the M3Pro/Max chipped MB Pro 14/16!!!
There was a period of time where the so-called “Apple Tax” was not so high; maybe 2012-2016. Even my previous MBA, the last pre-retina design, was a good value for what you got. Which by the way came with 8GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage-SIX YEARS AGO! The Apple Tax these days is as high as it’s ever been. Upgrading ram and storage is not cost effective. It’s straight up price gouging. As a consumer, it’s very frustrating. I get much less for my money. Thanks for pointing out the ridiculous display limitations on the M3 MacBook Pro. Buying the right Mac is no longer a simple task these days, unless one is willingly to buy refurbished. Which of course is the way to go.
No one is forcing you to buy. Check out premium Windows ultrabooks and you will be surprised that their launch prices are very similar as is the spec. These include the Surface Laptop 5, and Galaxy Book3 Pro. You may have missed COVID, the economic downturn, component supply shortages, and high inflation (especially in tech). We had it good for so many years with low inflation, people have forgotten that there are always bad times as well...
A WoW gamer! Love it. That game pushes CPU demands. Anyway you can test an m3 max pro running wow for 2 hrs? The latest extension, new zone. Not the old classic content. I know that’s fine. My M2 Max with 96gbs of ram is reaching the temp where it’s almost burning, especially on the new game.
Thank you for including info about classic wow in most of your reviews. Helps me quite a bit! I know its a bit niche but it would be nice if you could include a ball-park figure for the FPS you got while playing. Doesn't need to be super scientific but would be help! Although I know it can vary wildly depending on what content you're doing. Regardless, I enjoyed the video!
I've been debating on getting the 2nd tier M3 iMac + 16GB Unified Memory and waiting to upgrade my Macbook Pro until I can shell out on the M3 Pro Macbook Pro. Seems like this just confirms more of the same. My current Macbook Pro is the 2019 Intel that I bought refurbished and intentionally chose because there was no option to have 2 external displays on the M1 Macbook Pro at the time. It sucks now that we know they can do better, but choose not to. Thanks for all of your videos. You've been helping me weigh my options on an affordable homebase machine for content creation.
I just got the last M3 Macbook Pro with 8/512, my first mac ever for a cool 1000 at Costco. A friend gave me an iphone 11 pro max and its been my main phone, integrating with carplay in my Rav4, bonus. Learning it. I remember seeing the mac back in 86 at college, a guy working at the convenient store in the student center was using it at the checkout. i was a CS graduate using IBM pcs mainly and turbo pascal.
In general: I own a M1 Pro MacBook Pro and be pretty happy with the performance. From my employer I got a M2 Pro MacBook Pro and don‘t recognize much speed gains. I had to test it with tools to see: ok… 15% faster. So the M1 Pro would be still fast enough. This makes me say: I don‘t need a M3 (Pro) MacBook Pro. Sure, it‘s cool to have the newest and greatest stuff. When I‘m true to myself: I don‘t need it. The jump from Intel Core i7 to Apple Silicon was mind blowing. Not only because of the performance gains but because of the combination of performance and battery life. As long as you don‘t do Video Editing on a professional level I don‘t see any reason to switch to the new MacBook, in case you already own an Apple Silicon Mac. What am I doing with my Mac(s)? I do Data Architecture and Data Engineering. I build docker images on my Mac(s) and the M2 is only 15% faster than my M1 (only a couple of seconds). During this time I like to grab a cup of coffee. Large build are done in the cloud. This is really fast and in a solid process with repositories, all full automatic. So don‘t jump on the train of many RUclipsrs who‘s job is to „sell“ you new MacBook every year. Ask yourself: do I really need it?
Good rundown! I want to point out though that with the M1 mac mini you can still connect two displays through one or two thunderbolt ports as well. The presence of a HDMI-port was and is just a bonus to convenience, it didn’t serve any additional purpose.
I am using an M1 MacBook Air with 2 external monitors (in extend mode) The two monitors are hooked up as follows. One with HDMI the other using Display Link. You must also ensure you have display link driver installed on your Mac as well. I would assume this would work for M3 too.
Wow, I didn’t catch that the ports for the baseline M3 MBP is listed as Thunderbolt 3/USB4 compared to Thunderbolt 4 for the others. Apple went out the way to make this the “budget” MBP. I guess the rationale of this version is for people who likes the Pro’s screen, speakers, and MagSafe, but don’t need the endurance, capabilities, and top-end performance of the “real” pros. With that said, thanks for pointing out that you can get the baseline M2 MBP for the same price that doesn’t have those type of compromises.
The base MB Pro 14 M3 is an ultrabook; forget about brand marketing. It has the same chip as will come in the MB Air M3. It is for a lower point of entry, and of course, they would not give it the same specs as the MB Pro 14 M3 Pro as that would hurt sales of that model. As you imply, it is really for people that are looking at a base MB Air but would enjoy the extras of the base Pro. And despite the reviews, the MB Pro 14 M3 (base) is very good value over the Air due to the 120Hz, miniLED, extra 256GB SSD, extra ports, higher brightness, M3>M2, etc.
Spot on. You've named me. I was about to get the M2 15" Air with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD because that is sufficient for my needs to do usual web, office and a bit of Lightroom for my DSLR raw files. But along comes this base M3 MacBook Pro specced with 16GB RAM for only AU$200 more than the same spec M2 15"Air. It's a no brainer. M3 Pro weighs only 40g more, is more portable (it's smaller overall, I picked them both up in the apple store), get better screen, better speakers, SD card reader and M3 speed bump. For photo editing both will plug into my 4K 32" monitor just fine and all my files are on my Synology NAS anyway so 512SSD is just fine. I'm coming from using Intel MacBook Pros since 2008 but only needed Intel pro models because before Apple silicon, standard MacBooks didn't handle Lightroom smoothly. Since M1 the Air with 16G. RAM is fine
just purchased this compouter (and i'm very happy with it) lol....works great for programming, I don't plan on gaming on it though or video editing. (It was on sale though $1399)
MACBOOK PRO M1 PRO 1TB 16 INCH SPACE BLACK HAS ENTERED THE CHAT. - That´s my spec and I can't justify the purchase of the m3 pro. Perfectly happy with what at the time of release was a super abnormal monster of a computer. Still holding up blazingly fast. Cheers!
Great video as always except your opinion on the Mac mini vs MacBook Pro M3 display output differences. The reason the Mac mini can output to two displays is because it has two open display drivers while the M3 uses one of those drivers to output to the built in display and therefore can only output to one extra display.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Something that creators should know as it was brought up on the M1 and M2 by the same people complaining about this.
It's been 10+ years since I've owned a computer with less than 16Gb of RAM. Why do that to yourself in 2023? I think our Everyday Dad set himself up for disappointment.
You love the MBA… I mean, YOU LOVE the MBA… will you be able to carryover that love to the M3 model when it comes out? Bare in mind it’ll basically be the same thing as this one with lesser specs, albeit a lower price
Then do not buy it or buy one with 16GB or more. It is very easy solution, just ignore it and the people that are fine with 8GB can enjoy a cheaper entry price (currently £200+ off) and you buy whatever you need. Not every product in the world is aimed at you.
Amazon has it for $1800 and with their credit card, 5% back is $90 to spend on Amazon...tempted. I do not see a 36gb version. I think that would future proof it forever what I'd use it for. 18gb really should too. Most people buy 8gb, and apple wouldn't sell something (8gb) that's not going to work well for a few years.
everyone has a specific future that they consider indispensable. for you is the multi-monitor support while other never connect their laptops to a monitor. I think you should keep that in mind.
The base M3 Macbook Pro is not for pro users. It's for Macbook Air users who are willing to trade off a bit of extra weight and thickness for a much better display, better speakers, and the dongle-free life. For these users, it's a great option. For pro users, not so much. p.s. Love the T-shirt!
Dude, Pros can get meaningful work done on a base M1 MBA or Mini. The output will be exactly same as the highest end M2 or M3…..it will just take more time to render
Count me as one of the folks who'll most likely buy this one, but with 24GB of RAM. I'm perfectly happy with only using one screen (and I luurrrrv my 27-inch Dell display). 🙂
The late 2000s and early 2010s want their 8GB of ram back, should have at the very least been 16GB as the base option given that it is getting to be somewhat common to find machines with 32GB on the used market paired with a similarly sized SSD for around $200 give or take.
I'm glad I got the touchbar MacBook Pro because now they don't make that thing. I think it is very helpful and don't understand why people are after physical function keys which they will barely use
To me, if you’re eyeballing the Pro machine you might as well just spend the extra 400 and get the chip it was really designed for. If you’re unable or unwilling to do that, just get a MacBook Air.
If I had to guess I would say the one monitor limitation has less to do with the CPU and a lot more to do with a limited 8GB of unified memory, which of course the external displays also use. Now of course if you upgrade to 16GB that wouldn't be a problem, but that also complicates the product line, so Apple just nerfed the chip to only access one external monitor regardless of RAM spec. To my mind it's fixable if Apple just dropped the 8GB model from the range, but someone has to convince Tim. He loves those bonuses and short changing customers hardware and forcing them up the tiers is one of the ways he gets them.
The problem with starting at 16GB and keeping the price the same is that it would kill the sales of the M3 Pros and lead to much lower margins when profits and sales have been poor for the last year due to the general economic malaise and lower demand in the sector. That would be a poor business decision, and the only way I see Apple doing it is if the monopolistic Windows segment (91% of the PC market) were to start at 16GB, which most of the premium Windows ultrabooks do not do. For people needing 16GB or more, upgrade or buy the MB Pro 14 M3 PRO.
I work at a FAANG and the 8 GB Macbooks are problematic even for light to medium office work in a media company. Our in-house software and custom apps are already inefficient. When users have 10+ Chrome tabs open, Zoom, Outlook, etc, the performance issues make 16GB a better baseline.
@@jimtipton8888 I'm convinced they are good for your use case. At our corp, we ran 1 volumetric analysis on this. The 8 gb Mac Airs (or 8gb win laptops) are 5x as likely to have resource-shortage induced technical issues, multi-tasking problems, media & conference call hiccups as the higher ram builds. The money saved on the 8GB vs 16GB builds is not worth it, even when multiplied by 15,000. Apple knows this and charges an obscene amount (anywhere from 200-400 more) for the 16 GB version. That's how you hit 3 trill in market cap.
I’m not justifying Apple but come on most people don’t need 10 chrome tabs opened at the same time, I do agree that for $1600 the base MacBook Pro should have 16gb of RAM but for regular users 8gb is fine, I was running a 2020 MacBook Pro 13 with an i5 8gb ram and 256gb storage and it was fine for me, recently upgraded to the base M3 MacBook Pro and i’m very satisfied.
@@yordan826 A lot of our users are content moderators and have 8-10 active chrome tabs, a macro app, Outlook, Zoom, and custom software just to perform mandatory job functions. Add a couple Firefox tabs if they're watching RUclips at work. Everyone runs a local security suite to enable VPNs and stay behind our firewalls on or off site, and there goes 8+gigs ram. If you've done IT work at Fortune 100 corps, you know this is not unusual. Some use cases run lighter, but for those with SAP or large spreadsheet, figure 8 gigs ram just for that. People in our legal departments often have 20 chrome tabs running and HR reps are famous for showing up at the helpdesks downstairs with 50-100 chrome tabs open and wondering why their computer is slow or crashing. Is it a bit clearer now why 16GB should be our baseline? We have ~50,000 Macbook users and ~10,000 of them are 8GB Airs.
You are complaining about the price as a business can easily upgrade to 16GB or more. If Apple started at 16GB then the price would rise accordingly, so I really never see what point people are making. It really is just affordability, and whether £200 extra for double the RAM is value, and for you it clearly would be, so just buy it, a great £200 investment for the next 5+ years.
I know Apple's pricing is mostly about convincing people that the next best thing isn't that far away, but these seem a bit off, especially here in Germany: The M3 Macbook Pro is 1999€ (that's including 19% VAT, which equates to $1.839 without taxes) and the refurbished M2 Pro is 10€ more. Have to give up my 16" M1 Pro Macbook Pro (company provided, but for full private use incl. all admin rights) and will probably just grab an M1 Max 14" used as a replacement.
I had decided a couple of months ago that an M2 15" Air with 16GB RAM and 512SSD meet my needs for plugging into my 4K 32" monitor for Lightroom editing. Thats pretty much the most intensive task i need. Then along comes the M3 Pro and for my needs it seems a no brainer. With 16GB RAM It's only AU$200 more than the M2 15" Air same spec, weighs only 40g more, is more portable (went to the Apple store and picked them both up), has better screen, better speakers, SD card reader and base M3 has a speed bump over base M2. I am coming from an Intel MacBook Pro that still handles 90% of my needs. Two external screens BS? I think this base model with 16GB RAM is just fine for its target market. Those that want to just tip imto the Pro market rather than the Air. Refurbished M2 Pro ? good luck here in Australia ive been watching the local Apple website and these never come up
About the number of displays supported by the base M3. Its not that it is specifically limited in the way you seem to be thinking. The base M series processors only a controller that can drive two display connections, period. The reason the Mac Mini can have two monitors (one HDMI and one Display-port over USB-C) is because it has no internal display to drive. So its less that they have specifically limited this model and more that the base M series chips and their built in graphics processors can support a maximum of two display outs on its IO die. Thats a limitation Apple choses to not address in the basic architecture of the chip, which sucks, but it's not a specific limiting of this product. The reason the Pro chip support more than the base and the reason the Max chips support more than the Pro is they have a more complex IO die to support the greater number of GPU cores. You can see a similar issue on some lower end PC graphics hardware. Some revisions of the RX6400 from AMD also will support a maximum of two displays out because it was originally designed as a laptop graphics chip that would support an internal display and a single HDMI port, with the assumption that the system was going to support display-port over USB-C, that would be handled by the internal GPU of the systems CPU. My hope that its not a money grab but some limitation of the mobile processors the M series chips are based on that will be eventually addressed, but maybe I am being to hopeful on that end.
7:10, you don't understand.. the M non Pros support only 2 displays, built in ones count as well. Its an architectural "flaw/cost cutting measure" that Apple doesn't want to fix/address in their designs.
It is not a flaw. Apple is simply making a brand lineup that reflects that the more you pay, the greater the features. Apple is a small player and they know the market and how to survive. If they offered the base model with all the fancy stuff, they would lose sales of the higher models and therefore less profits.
Mr. Everyday Dad I have been following you for a couple of years but today was the first time I’ve ever see you without a hat and I am so confused right now lolz
The two monitor limit is ridiculous and pushing users up to £2000+ machines just to drive 3 displays when old Intel Macs could do it easily is really quite insulting. I don't need a crazy powerful SoC, I just need to be able to drive a projector (for Keynote slides), a monitor at the lecture desk (Keynote presentation mode), and my internal display (for notes/what I'm doing next/handout). Nothing intensive, just useful.
I hadn't even thought about the single display issue. That's quite terrible to be honest, especially when you consider you only get 8GB of RAM for $1,600. It's not a "Pro" level machine but costs "Pro" level money. If it started at 12GB I'd be happy, but 8GB is just not enough these days with all the multitasking people do.
It's just disappointing that the base M3 chip doesn't have a comparable spec to the unbinned M1 Pro chip(10CCPU/16GPU). I guess that would make a 14-inch M3 Macbook Pro a good value.
Was thinking of changing from my 2020 m1 but my battery health is still quite good & only use it for general internet browsing & plays football manager. I rushed & brought a 2020 intel chip when you advised to wait & ended up regretting not taking your advice
I really like your reviews, but i think you have missed a trick. The MacBook Pro M3 Pro base level model. While some have focused in the swapping out of performance cores for efficiency ones, Max Tech showed that the outcome has been a very slight improvement in performance over the M2 pro but with 1-2 hours of extra battery life. The thing they did not go into too much was the jump from 16 to 18GB of RAM. While the creatives may bemoan the drop in memory speed from 200 to 150GB/sec I think they are not the intended audience. I think this is for the Mac users who also need to run virtual environments (i.e. Windows for work) and so I would be really interested to know if that extra 2GB of RAM lets you assign 16GB of RAM to the virtual machine and if that actually makes any difference in practice to the most probable use of someone needing to run windows for work or school but wanting to use a mac personally.
There is no reason why you could not make use of that extra 2GB of RAM on the macOS side, and I assume the VM developer would already allow this. So, it would give you more headroom.
But you can buy the base model for $1449. Not everybody really wants or needs two monitors, well like me. The monitor situation is chip limited, not port limited. I think you went a bit off center here, not typical for you.
Yes, sadly it was a very personal take which is fine, but the base model isn't targeting pros as it uses the non-pro base M3 chip. So this is for people that can afford a posh ultrabook with fancy screen (miniLED 120Hz). Compared to the machine it replaced, the MB Pro 13 M2, it is more expensive but doubles the storage, has a much better display, is larger, extra ports, better speakers, faster, with a fresh design. The price differential of £300 for those extras are great value for me, and of course, it is already £200 off in places.
Lucky to Apple that actually there's no real contender...2.049,00 Euro (here in Europe) for a fake "pro" machine equipped with a miserable 8GB of ram is...a shit!
I wouldn’t get one, but I know it would be a good computer for my dad who doesn’t like larger laptops. He’s also no where near running out of space on his current MBP.
That's the point I think a lot of people are missing. Mac mini can do two displays, both external. MacBook can do two displays, one internal one external. May not be ideal but that's what we got
Can I join your guild :) haha. Anyway for World of Warcraft performance, how much more did you have to limit the settings? I got a binned 14 variation of the m3 max like yours and it's amazing. Only gets to 80ish in Valkdrakken and outside usually stays mid 60s and runs everything amazing with a few settings optimized. What's your thoughts on if I were to downgrade to a M3 Pro or even an M2 Pro refurb for wow specifically? I kind of like the idea of what I have and its modernness but could probably shave 1000 off and get either the 12/18 M3 or the M2 pro with 32GB instead. I just wondering what your thoughts on how much cooler it might run or if in the end wow wouldn't be an issue for any of these machines.
Ok. Great video. Some questions. I am looking to upgrade my basic M1 MacBook Air for some reasons: The M3 chip is said to be way better for gaming so I hope it will allow me to play more games I want and I want to run Local Chat GPT, M1 ran hot doing so. With that in mind would I go for a M3 and which one or for a refurbished M2?
bear in mind that m1 and m2 shares the same 5nm process architecture, just that the m2 is overclocked. Basically, m2 series is just a better m1 series. For games wise you have to see whether the games you play will support hardware ray tracing in the future because it can utilise the hardware ray tracing that is only found on the m3, which makes the overall gaming experience a better one.
That is obvious. In the US, they are forced to allow a return period, so many people use it for a month and then return to Apple and rinse and repeat. In the UK, most sellers have a policy that if if you open the box you cannot return it, so consumers over time have adapted to that. Less returns so a lack of refurbs compared to the US.
Ahh, marketing. Always, ALWAYS purposely cripple the base model, so people will step up the ladder. It's about creating perceived value. The wise choices for power users are always going to require more memory, more storage, more ports, more cores... Apple knows this, and does everything they can to move you up to the next rung of their price ladder. This is no different from the base iMac, in that it deletes a port and a fan. The base iMac deletes a fan, two ports, Touch ID on the keyboard, and an Ethernet jack on the power brick. MANY people will be fine with the base model, and never know the difference. Power users should ignore the base models and spec out machines that will do what they need to do for the next three to five years.
I agree. This will be plenty of computer for most people and based off my experience, I've used 8gb ram and 16gb configurations and do not know the difference and not everybody will need all of the ports and will be using external accessories with their laptop.
I have fans almost often on the full speed on my Mac Pro from 2021 (intel) since I got it. Hundred of Chrome tabs, Dozen of Adobe XD and Illustrator file, several Axure projects, MS Teams. All open at once.
"I don't make a living on the internet" Yes, keep rubbing it in our faces that you're productive enough to have a full time job, family, and run a RUclips for funsies 😂😂😂😢
I see the comments about dual screen still being possible with the laptop screen and a display. Sure if that's how you want to work, you could still get dual displays out of it.
But that doesn't change the fact that previous computers on older/weaker hardware were able to do this and it's being intentionally limited now.
THAT PART!!! Thanks for laying out your thoughts from a product development perspective instead of a benchmark junkie view.
That is terrible of Apple to gimp the M3 MacBook Pro 14" base model that way. Are you going to sell your base M3 MacBook Pro 14" now?
I don’t see how it’s limited any more than a Mac mini is. Keep in mind the Mac mini is headless, so any monitor counts as one. The mini can support two displays (both external) while the M3 MacBook Pro also supports two displays (built-in plus one external). If Apple had built in the ability to show two external displays, that would be three displays, which the mini cannot do. You can argue two displays isn’t enough, but that’s a different discussion. It’s no different than the M2 MacBook Air, which can support only two displays (built-in plus one external). Having an HDMI port doesn’t mean the chip can support an extra display just as two Thunderbolt ports can still only support one external on the Air.
BTW, the difference between Thunderbolt 3 and 4 is relatively minor, but one requirement Intel has for labeling something as Thunderbolt 4 is the ability to support two external displays. Since the port is otherwise the same, they can only call it Thunderbolt 3 for the sole reason it doesn’t support two external displays. Since USB4 has no such requirement, they can call it USB4 even though it’s pretty much the same as TB4. A TB4 port is also considered USB4. Yeah, it’s confusing.
Just ordered a 16” M3 Pro 36GB…now, what is the best usb hub and docking setup? Or something along those lines… :). I haven’t really thought it through to replace my old desktop PC.
That's simply not correct. The 14" laptop also supports 2 displays -- it's just that one of them is the built-in display. The Mac Mini M1 could support 2 external displays because it has no on-board display. The limitation is in all of the M-series base processors. There's nothing malicious about it, it's just part of how they chose to keep the base M processors simpler for higher yields.
It's absolutely crazy to think its already three years from your last camera review in this channel. Not everyone can pivot to different genre and retain audience m, so great to see you and the channel doing well.
Great video. This replaced the 13 MacBook Pro with the touch bar. Apple genuinely believes SOMEBODY out here wants a MacBook more powerful than an Air but doesn’t need the “Pro” chip. I believe that’s true but Apple really priced this terribly. If they had priced this $100-150 less, they would have found their audience.
hi i’m that somebody. i really like the touch bar and the fact that it has a fan been using my m2 13 inch for a year and i love it
@@4js123 excellent! Your base model was $1300 I believe. Today, someone looking to buy your machine will find a larger, Liquid Retina, 120hz display, better speakers, more ports and more storage for $1600! I think $1450-1500 price point and this upgraded M3 model would have flown off the shelves.
hey man, just popping in to say it's 2100 eur in Europe. Have a nice day/evening! (I'm going to hang myself over Apple prices in the EU one day or another, and I'm telling you this being fully conscious I bough an M3 Pro MB Pro)
@@jack_2612 wow, that exchange rate is BRUTAL! It hurt me just reading about it.
A lot of people do not understand this product and sadly make misinformed judgements. This is a fancy ultrabook, it is not for pros. That is point one, so a pro like TheEverydayDad should not buy this. Secondly, no one pays the full price. I have seen this for £200 off even at launch and is £130 off on Amazon at the moment. They have this model so they can discount it during the usual periods. Its for those that do not need a pro chip (M3 Pro/M3 Max) but want the luxury extras.
I recently purchased the M3 standard MacBook Pro, primarily for client-facing presentations and proposal creation. Battery life is a crucial factor for me as I spend the entire day using my computer. After watching your video, I realized that I overlooked the refurbished options. I appreciate your approach of not focusing solely on technical specifications that may not be relevant to my specific use case. Thank you for providing valuable insights without overwhelming me with unnecessary details!
Thank you a lot for the real world clarification of the M3 MbP 14" limitations. I never guessed Apple would go that far to limit the usage - knowing what earlier models would do. Thank you.
I was actually going to the Mac store for the M2 pro but it was sold out so I decided to buy the M3 base model. Almost 2 weeks and everything is good. Playing sims and a little bit of Adobe premier no problem at all.
Is it good with you until now ?
Yeah this MacBook pro M3 base model is really a great choice
@@Krishhh246does it get hot or loud?
@@adamegbaria5475 I have a slightly upgraded model with the base M3 chip. Since it has only one fan, it can get hot, but that's gradually if you do somewhat more complicated tasks.
I bought the base M3 MacBook Pro last week at the Apple Store close to where I live. I am perfectly happy with it and the base M3 MacBook Pro is awesome for the things I need. I traded in my 2020 Mi MacBook Air for $465 and I am very satisfied with the exchange. For viewing, and the speaker quality, it is awesome. Thanks for your video. I see your point but for my needs, the base M3 MacBook Pro is perfect for me.
What's your opinion six month later, please? Still the same?
@@adamlwk Dont listen to these dumb youtubers. If your full time career is not video editing, designer or 3d rendering, the base m3 is perfectly fine. Using browsers, excel, powerpoint, etc you will notice no difference on the more expensive models.
@@foggymoon5 That's very true. I bought the base M3 Pro and I'm very happy.
Totaly with you on Apple limiting it to one display on M3. But just to be fair - it has always been like that since M1. Mac mini with Thunderbolt + HDMI supports 2 screens in total. So does any Macbook: internal screen + 1 external screen = 2 screens. But yeah, in 2023 it's the same silly limitation as the 8GB of unified memory in the base model and USB 2.0 in the base iPhone 15.
It never should have been limited. There are several software that circumvent the issue without a hitch, highlighting the decision Apple made to hamper our hardware.
Just like every other consumer personal computer, the M3 hardware is “limited” because this base model which is meant for regular consumers, the vast majority of which don’t use external monitors period, much less a dual external monitor setup.
The base M1, M2 and now M3 was purpose built to support only 2 monitors for those reasons. The laptops support 2 monitors; 1 internal, 1 external. The Mac mini supports 2 monitors 2 external. It’s really that simple.
Personally, I don’t think this product should exist, especially with the pro name, but it is what it is. At least you’re informed enough to not buy it if it doesn’t meet your needs.
@@metintinApple: Thanks for upgrading to the M3 Pro. Ka-ching! Product gimping worked exactly as intended.
@@volatilememory9338 haha, yep. The infamous Apple sales funnel. Luxury car brands like BMW, Mercedes Benz and Porsche have been using this strategy to great effect for decades. The base models are rarely any good, they just exist to get folks in the door.
I didn't plan to upgrade from my refurbished M1 Pro MBP 14, and this video confirmed that decision. Thanks for your unbiased review.
A quick note on the fan noise ... the base M3 model has only one fan in the chassis vs two fans in the M3 Pro and M3 Max. Maybe this is why fan noise was noticeable in the tests you ran.
I was contemplating the base version, but was put off by the RAM and increase this to 16GB as an upgrade worked out to only £200 lower than the binned M3 Pro 14 - meaning I could get extra better ports, colour (space black) and I get additional 2GB RAM (18GB) on top so went for that spec
Thats exactly how they market it
this is called upselling, but to be honest that's way better than the standard m3 MacBook Pro
That is the Apple price latter trap you fall into. You are not smart, just easy to make upgrade.
traded in m1 macbook air for m3 macbook pro 14" base model. huge improvements, better built, better screen, better keyboard, hdmi port to 42" monitor, fantastic upgrade. would highly recommend. was considering 16" MBP for higher ram and bigger screen, but for $1000 more, determined it was not worth it and don't regret the 14" base m3 purchase!
When I upgraded my M1 MacBook Air to the new base m3 MacBook Pro I knew it was not a PRO level machine. And I don’t use it for that. I’m a college student, I mainly use Microsoft word, RUclips, and gmail along with some extra apps and things here and there. Did I need to upgrade? Hell no. My m1 was running like clockwork and after 2 years I could’ve kept it even longer. I upgraded because I wanted better speakers ( even tho the m1 was already exceptional), the promotion display and more brightness. If you are thinking about getting this laptop as a student and it is within your budget pls grab it. Even at the baseline if you do what I outlined above this machine is already future proof even with 8gb of ram. This is not a PRO machine, it’s basically just the best MacBook Air in my opinion. Plus with apple trade in and the student discount, my m3 came out to be just 1k which I believe is a steal for this new device. Hope this info helps anyone thinking about upgrading!
Thanks man literally was looking for something like this for the extra push. I was between m2 and m3 but going with m3 base.
Thing is even if it came with 16GB of ram for the same $1600 price, there would still be plenty of reasons to buy the M3 Pro MacBook instead for $400 more, including dual monitor support, faster CPU and GPU, two fans for better cooling, and faster SSD speeds.
@@bulletpoint5023At least the M3 MacBook wouldn't totally suck, and at least there will still be many reasons for many people to upgrade to the M3 Pro
Model twice the price is better then base model... ok did you really just spend 8 minutes telling me that. It's not a bad laptop its more then 90% of people would need and I doubt most would see any performance dip. I'm planning to buy one and upgrade from my 2015 13" Macbook Pro, I still get good results from this old thing so the 8 year newer model shouldn't have any issues. Just don't compare it to the high end spec that costs so much more for clear reasons.
great video, finally someone bringing attention to the details about flaws that noone do. I also didnt know about the weaker ports on base model!
People need clarification. This is not the base 14-inch, as it only has an M3 chip, not the M3 Pro. The base M3 Pro is £400 more. This is the replacement for the MB Pro 13 M2, which was and always has been an ultrabook; ergo a MB Air with a fan and a few extras. It has never been targeted at prosumers like the M3Pro/Max chipped MB Pro 14/16!!!
There was a period of time where the so-called “Apple Tax” was not so high; maybe 2012-2016. Even my previous MBA, the last pre-retina design, was a good value for what you got. Which by the way came with 8GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage-SIX YEARS AGO! The Apple Tax these days is as high as it’s ever been. Upgrading ram and storage is not cost effective. It’s straight up price gouging. As a consumer, it’s very frustrating. I get much less for my money. Thanks for pointing out the ridiculous display limitations on the M3 MacBook Pro. Buying the right Mac is no longer a simple task these days, unless one is willingly to buy refurbished. Which of course is the way to go.
as a consumer, you don't have to buy:
1. always brand new product
2. an apple product
No one is forcing you to buy. Check out premium Windows ultrabooks and you will be surprised that their launch prices are very similar as is the spec. These include the Surface Laptop 5, and Galaxy Book3 Pro. You may have missed COVID, the economic downturn, component supply shortages, and high inflation (especially in tech). We had it good for so many years with low inflation, people have forgotten that there are always bad times as well...
Regular PC’s are an option FYI.
A WoW gamer! Love it. That game pushes CPU demands. Anyway you can test an m3 max pro running wow for 2 hrs? The latest extension, new zone. Not the old classic content. I know that’s fine. My M2 Max with 96gbs of ram is reaching the temp where it’s almost burning, especially on the new game.
Thank you for including info about classic wow in most of your reviews. Helps me quite a bit!
I know its a bit niche but it would be nice if you could include a ball-park figure for the FPS you got while playing. Doesn't need to be super scientific but would be help! Although I know it can vary wildly depending on what content you're doing.
Regardless, I enjoyed the video!
I've been debating on getting the 2nd tier M3 iMac + 16GB Unified Memory and waiting to upgrade my Macbook Pro until I can shell out on the M3 Pro Macbook Pro. Seems like this just confirms more of the same. My current Macbook Pro is the 2019 Intel that I bought refurbished and intentionally chose because there was no option to have 2 external displays on the M1 Macbook Pro at the time. It sucks now that we know they can do better, but choose not to. Thanks for all of your videos. You've been helping me weigh my options on an affordable homebase machine for content creation.
I just got the last M3 Macbook Pro with 8/512, my first mac ever for a cool 1000 at Costco. A friend gave me an iphone 11 pro max and its been my main phone, integrating with carplay in my Rav4, bonus. Learning it. I remember seeing the mac back in 86 at college, a guy working at the convenient store in the student center was using it at the checkout. i was a CS graduate using IBM pcs mainly and turbo pascal.
In general: I own a M1 Pro MacBook Pro and be pretty happy with the performance. From my employer I got a M2 Pro MacBook Pro and don‘t recognize much speed gains. I had to test it with tools to see: ok… 15% faster. So the M1 Pro would be still fast enough. This makes me say: I don‘t need a M3 (Pro) MacBook Pro. Sure, it‘s cool to have the newest and greatest stuff. When I‘m true to myself: I don‘t need it. The jump from Intel Core i7 to Apple Silicon was mind blowing. Not only because of the performance gains but because of the combination of performance and battery life. As long as you don‘t do Video Editing on a professional level I don‘t see any reason to switch to the new MacBook, in case you already own an Apple Silicon Mac. What am I doing with my Mac(s)? I do Data Architecture and Data Engineering. I build docker images on my Mac(s) and the M2 is only 15% faster than my M1 (only a couple of seconds). During this time I like to grab a cup of coffee. Large build are done in the cloud. This is really fast and in a solid process with repositories, all full automatic. So don‘t jump on the train of many RUclipsrs who‘s job is to „sell“ you new MacBook every year. Ask yourself: do I really need it?
Good rundown! I want to point out though that with the M1 mac mini you can still connect two displays through one or two thunderbolt ports as well. The presence of a HDMI-port was and is just a bonus to convenience, it didn’t serve any additional purpose.
"I swappted to the cheapest M3 MacBook Pro for a Week and did the exact same tasks, as on my better Macbook. And suprise! It was worse!"
You have 8 gb ram with 512gb storage ?
The internal display counts as one display, so it's not supporting one less display than the Mac mini, which doesn't have a built-in display.
This is the point he keeps missing haha
I was just about to say this 😂
Exactly!
I am using an M1 MacBook Air with 2 external monitors (in extend mode) The two monitors are hooked up as follows. One with HDMI the other using Display Link. You must also ensure you have display link driver installed on your Mac as well. I would assume this would work for M3 too.
Yes, became your 1000th like! Also looking good without the cap!
Wow, I didn’t catch that the ports for the baseline M3 MBP is listed as Thunderbolt 3/USB4 compared to Thunderbolt 4 for the others. Apple went out the way to make this the “budget” MBP. I guess the rationale of this version is for people who likes the Pro’s screen, speakers, and MagSafe, but don’t need the endurance, capabilities, and top-end performance of the “real” pros. With that said, thanks for pointing out that you can get the baseline M2 MBP for the same price that doesn’t have those type of compromises.
The base MB Pro 14 M3 is an ultrabook; forget about brand marketing. It has the same chip as will come in the MB Air M3. It is for a lower point of entry, and of course, they would not give it the same specs as the MB Pro 14 M3 Pro as that would hurt sales of that model. As you imply, it is really for people that are looking at a base MB Air but would enjoy the extras of the base Pro. And despite the reviews, the MB Pro 14 M3 (base) is very good value over the Air due to the 120Hz, miniLED, extra 256GB SSD, extra ports, higher brightness, M3>M2, etc.
Spot on. You've named me. I was about to get the M2 15" Air with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD because that is sufficient for my needs to do usual web, office and a bit of Lightroom for my DSLR raw files. But along comes this base M3 MacBook Pro specced with 16GB RAM for only AU$200 more than the same spec M2 15"Air. It's a no brainer.
M3 Pro weighs only 40g more, is more portable (it's smaller overall, I picked them both up in the apple store), get better screen, better speakers, SD card reader and M3 speed bump. For photo editing both will plug into my 4K 32" monitor just fine and all my files are on my Synology NAS anyway so 512SSD is just fine.
I'm coming from using Intel MacBook Pros since 2008 but only needed Intel pro models because before Apple silicon, standard MacBooks didn't handle Lightroom smoothly. Since M1 the Air with 16G. RAM is fine
Hey @TheEverydayDad have you considered chapter markers? It will really help with presentation and interaction quality. Thanks.
just purchased this compouter (and i'm very happy with it) lol....works great for programming, I don't plan on gaming on it though or video editing. (It was on sale though $1399)
MACBOOK PRO M1 PRO 1TB 16 INCH SPACE BLACK HAS ENTERED THE CHAT. - That´s my spec and I can't justify the purchase of the m3 pro. Perfectly happy with what at the time of release was a super abnormal monster of a computer. Still holding up blazingly fast. Cheers!
This is why I love your channel.Nothing hype. Just reasoned out opinions.
for what Apple is charging i think it should've come with at least 12GB of memory
"M1 is still fine for web browsing", no shit, my 2009 MBP that I'm watching you on is still fine for web browsing.
Great video as always except your opinion on the Mac mini vs MacBook Pro M3 display output differences. The reason the Mac mini can output to two displays is because it has two open display drivers while the M3 uses one of those drivers to output to the built in display and therefore can only output to one extra display.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Something that creators should know as it was brought up on the M1 and M2 by the same people complaining about this.
It's been 10+ years since I've owned a computer with less than 16Gb of RAM. Why do that to yourself in 2023? I think our Everyday Dad set himself up for disappointment.
Agreed, especially on a professional level. It's mandatory everyone has 16GB at my job. From secretary to C++ programmers.
Everyday Dad is the type of guy to make a video praising the base MacBook pro to then make a video saying that using it was a bad week 😂
You love the MBA… I mean, YOU LOVE the MBA… will you be able to carryover that love to the M3 model when it comes out? Bare in mind it’ll basically be the same thing as this one with lesser specs, albeit a lower price
I find the idea of paying USD 1600 to be forced to "be careful with memory usage" plainly insulting.
Then do not buy it or buy one with 16GB or more. It is very easy solution, just ignore it and the people that are fine with 8GB can enjoy a cheaper entry price (currently £200+ off) and you buy whatever you need. Not every product in the world is aimed at you.
I find it hard to believe you had any issues as all of these computers are very capable, and you did not describe anything that taxing.
Nice video. Where’d you get that desk?
I went with the $1999 m3 pro model from best buy at $200 off. I have to admit I was lured by the m2 model ….
Amazon has it for $1800 and with their credit card, 5% back is $90 to spend on Amazon...tempted. I do not see a 36gb version. I think that would future proof it forever what I'd use it for. 18gb really should too.
Most people buy 8gb, and apple wouldn't sell something (8gb) that's not going to work well for a few years.
The Macbook Pro and Mac Mini support the same number of monitors. Don’t you consider the Macbook’s display as monitor?
everyone has a specific future that they consider indispensable. for you is the multi-monitor support while other never connect their laptops to a monitor. I think you should keep that in mind.
The base M3 Macbook Pro is not for pro users.
It's for Macbook Air users who are willing to trade off a bit of extra weight and thickness for a much better display, better speakers, and the dongle-free life. For these users, it's a great option.
For pro users, not so much.
p.s. Love the T-shirt!
Dude, Pros can get meaningful work done on a base M1 MBA or Mini. The output will be exactly same as the highest end M2 or M3…..it will just take more time to render
Count me as one of the folks who'll most likely buy this one, but with 24GB of RAM. I'm perfectly happy with only using one screen (and I luurrrrv my 27-inch Dell display). 🙂
The late 2000s and early 2010s want their 8GB of ram back, should have at the very least been 16GB as the base option given that it is getting to be somewhat common to find machines with 32GB on the used market paired with a similarly sized SSD for around $200 give or take.
I'm glad I got the touchbar MacBook Pro because now they don't make that thing. I think it is very helpful and don't understand why people are after physical function keys which they will barely use
The refurbished macbook is no longer available on the website. They are only selling the more expensive ones now.
To me, if you’re eyeballing the Pro machine you might as well just spend the extra 400 and get the chip it was really designed for. If you’re unable or unwilling to do that, just get a MacBook Air.
So you recommend buying refurbished Macs
haha sod hype! grest vid and didnt expect to see my favorite game in this review!
If I had to guess I would say the one monitor limitation has less to do with the CPU and a lot more to do with a limited 8GB of unified memory, which of course the external displays also use. Now of course if you upgrade to 16GB that wouldn't be a problem, but that also complicates the product line, so Apple just nerfed the chip to only access one external monitor regardless of RAM spec. To my mind it's fixable if Apple just dropped the 8GB model from the range, but someone has to convince Tim. He loves those bonuses and short changing customers hardware and forcing them up the tiers is one of the ways he gets them.
The problem with starting at 16GB and keeping the price the same is that it would kill the sales of the M3 Pros and lead to much lower margins when profits and sales have been poor for the last year due to the general economic malaise and lower demand in the sector. That would be a poor business decision, and the only way I see Apple doing it is if the monopolistic Windows segment (91% of the PC market) were to start at 16GB, which most of the premium Windows ultrabooks do not do. For people needing 16GB or more, upgrade or buy the MB Pro 14 M3 PRO.
It’ll be interesting to see how the reviews come out for the M3 MacBook Air
There will be complaints about the fan noise because that chip runs HOT!
The MacBook Air has no fans 🤦🏻♂️
Base model
8GB RAM
256GB storage
2 Thunderbolt ports
Same old, same old
@@yordan826Not yet.
the only reason the m1 mac mini supported dual monitor is because it doesn't have a monitor attached already using one of the media outputs.
That multiple display stuff is just weird. I only use one display, but man... Not good. Not sure why apple does this on something so expensive
Just for the hell of it, I was thinking about getting the M3 Max with 64 GB if RAM. I figured, what the hell?
I work at a FAANG and the 8 GB Macbooks are problematic even for light to medium office work in a media company. Our in-house software and custom apps are already inefficient. When users have 10+ Chrome tabs open, Zoom, Outlook, etc, the performance issues make 16GB a better baseline.
Totally not my experience with my 8GB M2 Air. Worst case it goes to swap and never misses a beat and I’ve tried to choke it out.
@@jimtipton8888 I'm convinced they are good for your use case. At our corp, we ran 1 volumetric analysis on this. The 8 gb Mac Airs (or 8gb win laptops) are 5x as likely to have resource-shortage induced technical issues, multi-tasking problems, media & conference call hiccups as the higher ram builds. The money saved on the 8GB vs 16GB builds is not worth it, even when multiplied by 15,000. Apple knows this and charges an obscene amount (anywhere from 200-400 more) for the 16 GB version. That's how you hit 3 trill in market cap.
I’m not justifying Apple but come on most people don’t need 10 chrome tabs opened at the same time, I do agree that for $1600 the base MacBook Pro should have 16gb of RAM but for regular users 8gb is fine, I was running a 2020 MacBook Pro 13 with an i5 8gb ram and 256gb storage and it was fine for me, recently upgraded to the base M3 MacBook Pro and i’m very satisfied.
@@yordan826 A lot of our users are content moderators and have 8-10 active chrome tabs, a macro app, Outlook, Zoom, and custom software just to perform mandatory job functions. Add a couple Firefox tabs if they're watching RUclips at work. Everyone runs a local security suite to enable VPNs and stay behind our firewalls on or off site, and there goes 8+gigs ram. If you've done IT work at Fortune 100 corps, you know this is not unusual. Some use cases run lighter, but for those with SAP or large spreadsheet, figure 8 gigs ram just for that. People in our legal departments often have 20 chrome tabs running and HR reps are famous for showing up at the helpdesks downstairs with 50-100 chrome tabs open and wondering why their computer is slow or crashing. Is it a bit clearer now why 16GB should be our baseline? We have ~50,000 Macbook users and ~10,000 of them are 8GB Airs.
You are complaining about the price as a business can easily upgrade to 16GB or more. If Apple started at 16GB then the price would rise accordingly, so I really never see what point people are making. It really is just affordability, and whether £200 extra for double the RAM is value, and for you it clearly would be, so just buy it, a great £200 investment for the next 5+ years.
I know Apple's pricing is mostly about convincing people that the next best thing isn't that far away, but these seem a bit off, especially here in Germany: The M3 Macbook Pro is 1999€ (that's including 19% VAT, which equates to $1.839 without taxes) and the refurbished M2 Pro is 10€ more.
Have to give up my 16" M1 Pro Macbook Pro (company provided, but for full private use incl. all admin rights) and will probably just grab an M1 Max 14" used as a replacement.
I honestly wanted to replace my 13 inch MBA M2 16GB 512GB with this but you convinced me it's not worth it.
still running 2015 Mac, now on a fedora, things a beast
I had decided a couple of months ago that an M2 15" Air with 16GB RAM and 512SSD meet my needs for plugging into my 4K 32" monitor for Lightroom editing. Thats pretty much the most intensive task i need. Then along comes the M3 Pro and for my needs it seems a no brainer. With 16GB RAM It's only AU$200 more than the M2 15" Air same spec, weighs only 40g more, is more portable (went to the Apple store and picked them both up), has better screen, better speakers, SD card reader and base M3 has a speed bump over base M2. I am coming from an Intel MacBook Pro that still handles 90% of my needs. Two external screens BS? I think this base model with 16GB RAM is just fine for its target market. Those that want to just tip imto the Pro market rather than the Air.
Refurbished M2 Pro ? good luck here in Australia ive been watching the local Apple website and these never come up
About the number of displays supported by the base M3. Its not that it is specifically limited in the way you seem to be thinking. The base M series processors only a controller that can drive two display connections, period. The reason the Mac Mini can have two monitors (one HDMI and one Display-port over USB-C) is because it has no internal display to drive. So its less that they have specifically limited this model and more that the base M series chips and their built in graphics processors can support a maximum of two display outs on its IO die. Thats a limitation Apple choses to not address in the basic architecture of the chip, which sucks, but it's not a specific limiting of this product. The reason the Pro chip support more than the base and the reason the Max chips support more than the Pro is they have a more complex IO die to support the greater number of GPU cores.
You can see a similar issue on some lower end PC graphics hardware. Some revisions of the RX6400 from AMD also will support a maximum of two displays out because it was originally designed as a laptop graphics chip that would support an internal display and a single HDMI port, with the assumption that the system was going to support display-port over USB-C, that would be handled by the internal GPU of the systems CPU.
My hope that its not a money grab but some limitation of the mobile processors the M series chips are based on that will be eventually addressed, but maybe I am being to hopeful on that end.
Great video as always. 😊 What blue keyboard is that with the yellow button??
7:10, you don't understand.. the M non Pros support only 2 displays, built in ones count as well. Its an architectural "flaw/cost cutting measure" that Apple doesn't want to fix/address in their designs.
It is not a flaw. Apple is simply making a brand lineup that reflects that the more you pay, the greater the features. Apple is a small player and they know the market and how to survive. If they offered the base model with all the fancy stuff, they would lose sales of the higher models and therefore less profits.
@@andyH_England or sell more computers to the masses without having to play games
Mr. Everyday Dad I have been following you for a couple of years but today was the first time I’ve ever see you without a hat and I am so confused right now lolz
That Zelda Majoras Mask noise is so nostalgic.
The two monitor limit is ridiculous and pushing users up to £2000+ machines just to drive 3 displays when old Intel Macs could do it easily is really quite insulting. I don't need a crazy powerful SoC, I just need to be able to drive a projector (for Keynote slides), a monitor at the lecture desk (Keynote presentation mode), and my internal display (for notes/what I'm doing next/handout). Nothing intensive, just useful.
I hadn't even thought about the single display issue. That's quite terrible to be honest, especially when you consider you only get 8GB of RAM for $1,600. It's not a "Pro" level machine but costs "Pro" level money. If it started at 12GB I'd be happy, but 8GB is just not enough these days with all the multitasking people do.
It's just disappointing that the base M3 chip doesn't have a comparable spec to the unbinned M1 Pro chip(10CCPU/16GPU). I guess that would make a 14-inch M3 Macbook Pro a good value.
yo gary, what server in SOD u on?
Was thinking of changing from my 2020 m1 but my battery health is still quite good & only use it for general internet browsing & plays football manager. I rushed & brought a 2020 intel chip when you advised to wait & ended up regretting not taking your advice
I really like your reviews, but i think you have missed a trick. The MacBook Pro M3 Pro base level model. While some have focused in the swapping out of performance cores for efficiency ones, Max Tech showed that the outcome has been a very slight improvement in performance over the M2 pro but with 1-2 hours of extra battery life. The thing they did not go into too much was the jump from 16 to 18GB of RAM. While the creatives may bemoan the drop in memory speed from 200 to 150GB/sec I think they are not the intended audience. I think this is for the Mac users who also need to run virtual environments (i.e. Windows for work) and so I would be really interested to know if that extra 2GB of RAM lets you assign 16GB of RAM to the virtual machine and if that actually makes any difference in practice to the most probable use of someone needing to run windows for work or school but wanting to use a mac personally.
There is no reason why you could not make use of that extra 2GB of RAM on the macOS side, and I assume the VM developer would already allow this. So, it would give you more headroom.
Apple giving people only 8GB ram for $1600 is a war crime
7:23 lost bullet towards MaxTech 🤣😭
They always have something to complain about 🤦🏾♂️
But you can buy the base model for $1449. Not everybody really wants or needs two monitors, well like me. The monitor situation is chip limited, not port limited. I think you went a bit off center here, not typical for you.
Yes, sadly it was a very personal take which is fine, but the base model isn't targeting pros as it uses the non-pro base M3 chip. So this is for people that can afford a posh ultrabook with fancy screen (miniLED 120Hz). Compared to the machine it replaced, the MB Pro 13 M2, it is more expensive but doubles the storage, has a much better display, is larger, extra ports, better speakers, faster, with a fresh design. The price differential of £300 for those extras are great value for me, and of course, it is already £200 off in places.
Lucky to Apple that actually there's no real contender...2.049,00 Euro (here in Europe) for a fake "pro" machine equipped with a miserable 8GB of ram is...a shit!
We have VAT that adds >£180, so in the UK the price is cheaper than the US as their prices are listed pre-tax due to different state taxes.
I wonder how many people use two monitors at home.
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I wouldn’t get one, but I know it would be a good computer for my dad who doesn’t like larger laptops. He’s also no where near running out of space on his current MBP.
yes if you are in the us -europe not that luckey with refurb :)
well, if you connect one monitor you still have two displays
That's the point I think a lot of people are missing. Mac mini can do two displays, both external. MacBook can do two displays, one internal one external. May not be ideal but that's what we got
This.
Can I join your guild :) haha.
Anyway for World of Warcraft performance, how much more did you have to limit the settings? I got a binned 14 variation of the m3 max like yours and it's amazing. Only gets to 80ish in Valkdrakken and outside usually stays mid 60s and runs everything amazing with a few settings optimized.
What's your thoughts on if I were to downgrade to a M3 Pro or even an M2 Pro refurb for wow specifically? I kind of like the idea of what I have and its modernness but could probably shave 1000 off and get either the 12/18 M3 or the M2 pro with 32GB instead.
I just wondering what your thoughts on how much cooler it might run or if in the end wow wouldn't be an issue for any of these machines.
So the biggest problem is you have 2 monitors? I have 1 monitor as do many people.
Ok. Great video. Some questions. I am looking to upgrade my basic M1 MacBook Air for some reasons: The M3 chip is said to be way better for gaming so I hope it will allow me to play more games I want and I want to run Local Chat GPT, M1 ran hot doing so. With that in mind would I go for a M3 and which one or for a refurbished M2?
bear in mind that m1 and m2 shares the same 5nm process architecture, just that the m2 is overclocked. Basically, m2 series is just a better m1 series. For games wise you have to see whether the games you play will support hardware ray tracing in the future because it can utilise the hardware ray tracing that is only found on the m3, which makes the overall gaming experience a better one.
i have one question only, does it have performance mode all pro macbooks have?
Go for the new SnapDragon X, THE WINTER IS COMING!
Hey guys normal person like most of you here! 8gb or ram is fine. Trust me if you don't know how much you need, 8 is fine.
Thanks for the video.
A 14in pro is cheaper than a 15in air right now on Amazon which should I get
I really don’t get it why the f in UK you cannot find a single m1, m2 nor m3 refurb. There just none ever to be found…
That is obvious. In the US, they are forced to allow a return period, so many people use it for a month and then return to Apple and rinse and repeat. In the UK, most sellers have a policy that if if you open the box you cannot return it, so consumers over time have adapted to that. Less returns so a lack of refurbs compared to the US.
Ahh, marketing. Always, ALWAYS purposely cripple the base model, so people will step up the ladder. It's about creating perceived value. The wise choices for power users are always going to require more memory, more storage, more ports, more cores... Apple knows this, and does everything they can to move you up to the next rung of their price ladder. This is no different from the base iMac, in that it deletes a port and a fan. The base iMac deletes a fan, two ports, Touch ID on the keyboard, and an Ethernet jack on the power brick. MANY people will be fine with the base model, and never know the difference. Power users should ignore the base models and spec out machines that will do what they need to do for the next three to five years.
I agree. This will be plenty of computer for most people and based off my experience, I've used 8gb ram and 16gb configurations and do not know the difference and not everybody will need all of the ports and will be using external accessories with their laptop.
So base M3 MBP vs upgraded M1 Mac mini. Which would you rather take?
What about BATTERY AUTONOMY?
what is your keyboard?
So would you pick this over the MacBook Air 15
Also the M3 standard only has one fan
I have fans almost often on the full speed on my Mac Pro from 2021 (intel) since I got it. Hundred of Chrome tabs, Dozen of Adobe XD and Illustrator file, several Axure projects, MS Teams. All open at once.
"I don't make a living on the internet"
Yes, keep rubbing it in our faces that you're productive enough to have a full time job, family, and run a RUclips for funsies 😂😂😂😢
Mac mini supports two screens, MacBook Pro M3 also supports two, the internal and external.
what's the blue keyboard that you ahve? thanks!