The History Of The Fastest NHL Skater
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Who is the greatest skater in your teams history?
Phil Kessel
The Finnish Flash 🤌🔥
Past: Scott Neidermayer Present: Jack Hughes.
Bure probably
Roman Josi, guy goes from one end to the other faster than the cameras can follow.
Gretzky put it best in an interview that had himself, Lemieux & Orr when he said to #4 "You did it in a leather boot with a blade on the bottom". Then there was those old leather gloves that got super heavy when wet. Much respect for the old timers who paved the way to what the game's become. Much respect to the current players who are paving the way for what the game will become...
Imagine Orr without knee issues
And with modern skates.
The fastest besides McDavid in my opinion
@@Weckin Pavel Bure would like a word
the goat
2000 points in his career
I wish all teams for all rostered skaters would do skills testing at the start of the year, and post the results. It would generate so much hype and discussion.
I agree. Some players can outskate McDavid, but they aren't as outstanding in other aspects so will never reach an All Star game. Ryan Poehling comes to mind - he had the fastest speed last season.
It would also generate injuries
@@Daniel-cw8lg so could getting out of bed.
It's called the skills competition and it happens once a year with the elite talents at the all-star game weekend!
@@v4v819 im aware. But it’s in the middle of the year, and doesn’t encompass all skaters.
Fedorov had to go around the nets while Gartner had a gigantic advantage of the nets being moved below the blue paint. It’s not really comparable between years because the setup constantly changes. So the progression isn’t really accurate at all.
Maybe you've seen this. Someone synched the '96 heats so you can see Fedorov and Gartner head to head: ruclips.net/video/MIc4lJm2RoQ/видео.html Gartner won by his stick, otherwise he could have been third behind Fedorov and Bondra, maybe not in that order. Fastest Skater is a terrible competition. The NHL isn't consistent about it and it seems a lot of the best performances are adjusted because "technical issues," like when Bure crossed the red line a full body length ahead of Amonte, but ended up with a worse time. Bondra also beat Niedermayer head to head, but somehow Niedermayer ended up with the better time. Then there's Larkin's head start "record." The NHL is terrible at setting it up. It shouldn't be considered a definitive race by any means.
@brianphilippoi349 I completely agree with how the competition is poorly regulated. It is still a fun idea. I did watch the Fedorov and Gartner sync up and definitely appears that Fedorov won. Basically there are a handful of guys who can skate at that level and the difference in their overall speed is very little.
@@alexkerr2343 That there are players clearly faster than the rest (remember Scott Gomez in there?) but their efforts are obscured by the inconsistency of the organizers is a real shame. It's still fun to watch them go fast though. You rarely get to see NHLers get to their 5th gear for very long because it's so back and forth, stop and start in actual game play.
I love how Jordan Kyrou won fastest skater at the All Star game in 2022 and EA still didn’t have him in the top ten fastest players in the game. I’m still salty about this
tbf the all star game was wack. Even as a caps fan, Tom Wilson’s shot is not 103 mph.
Kyrou is a 🤡
@@Killerbeast-hx5qpyou’re a clown.
@@Killerbeast-hx5qp found the fat 14 yr old kid all set up for a lifetime of incel takes on random great athletes
@@vedantbhalla2571 But if you watch Kyrou every game like I do, you’d know he’s legitimately a top ten fastest skater in the league at very least.
One of your best videos yet imo!
Thanks brother!
@@RobTalksHockey yeah I’ve been watching for little over 2 years
Hey I got a feature on Rob Talks Hockey 😁
You’re the man coach J 🫡
This video as with all your content mate was awesome, always such an overlooked attribute for a hockey player, and it's great to see the skating evolve over the years.
It’s not even the fastest skater in the nhl, it’s the fastest star at the comp, same with all the other ones, we need a comp where it’s actually the best players at those specific events and not just superstar marketing
They used to do that, have the fastest skaters from team competitions compete against the All-Stars. It used to be Amonte, but he'd flub it in the All-Star Skills performance. Hedican too. He was there a couple of times and often had issues going too fast around the third turn.
Nobody had the flapping jersey in full flight quite like Mike Modano. Dude was an absolute beast.
He is getting his own statue outside the AAC
I love this new video format
It dont matter how fast you are, in EA you can be mcdavid or barzel and Chara is still skating faster than you backwards to prevent a breakaway
Perreault and Cournoyer were lightning fast also. But I’m game situation, I think Bure was the fastest.
That first game he played was amazing- when they had already worked out the pass back from Lumme to Bure- "where is he going?" Lumme was carrying the puck up and Bure looped back the other way to get the pass at full speed. Now a standard PP thing for everybody. But that first time was electric.
My proposal would be for them to do the lap race at the all stars not just free skating- but with a puck. There are plenty of skaters in the NHL who are within a percent or two of McDavid- but what separates him is the fact that he can go his full speed with the puck.
Mat Barzal is the fastest player to make the all star game and to be afforded the opportunity to participate in the fastest skater competition. It's a very limited scope. They should hold these competitions for record in the preseason per team for all players if you wanna use the word "fastest".
Barzal's record is just beautiful. Looked like he wasn't even touching the ice.
Oldguy here, and Paul Coffey was by far the fastest end to end I've ever seen in person. He was already sorta slowed down imo of his top speed in 92 or whenever he won, but man the last few years with oilers and first few with penguins was very different. Gears gotten better and lighter, ect... but if you saw his speed vs everyone else he was playing against it was very very clear who the fastest guy on ice was. This was also during a time of brutal holding/hooking, I couldn't imagine what him in his prime with today's rules would be like. A guy seldom talked about now outside of hardcore hockey fans, but someone who alone was worth the price of a ticket back in the day.
Now stay off my lawn. Oldguy out.
Agreed
I agree! A lot of people compare Scott Niedermeyer's skating to Coffey... His end to end rushes- like the famous one in the finals against the Red Wings-- were blazing fast. What's your take on the comparison?
@@v4v819 Niedermeyer was a wonderful skater, top 10 probably ever. I'd say he was like a F1 on a nascar track. Coffey was like a top fuel dragster in terms of after his 2nd stride he was already full throttle. Sorta different but both legends of NHL. They both had amazing feel on skates that's hard to describe to non players or lifelong fans. It was like only they had their edge sharpened on plays and were able to make others look like they were in slow motion.
@@remnow Niedermeyer is the Coffey if Coffey was actually a defenseman and hammered out all the chinks in his armor for the sake of team success... What he got away with in the 80's came back to bite him in the clutch and grab era that the Devil's championed... Scott changed his game to suit the Devil's defensive system and it contributed to his team's success... He could rush the puck like anyone and could pick and choose when you include himself into the offensive game but he was like Robinson in that he was reserve and really only played the offense card when it was called upon to help his team... But still we all knew what was humming under the hood, and any time Scott wanted to he could pump the gas and change the momentum of the game- like in the Finals against the Red Wings... Bowman finally dumped Coffey as he was proven to be a real liability in his end. dead weight! I think Ray was the perfect mix of offense and defense, physicality and restraint , and that slapper!
A while ago, I got some 1980's/1990's ccm super tacks really cool collectors item for my sports bar!
In highschool (mid 90s) i traded a friend his ccm's for my bauers and it felt like i never skated before. Those longer/flatter blades felt so awkward. That lasted 10 mins and went back to my bauers
amazing video and great editing! thouroughly enjoyed, love me a bit of history
If I could have one wish as a hockey fan, it would be to see the Winnipeg Jets win the Stanley Cup. The second wish would be Bobby Orr given unbreakable knees at the beginning. Can you imagine how much more he could have done? How fast would have been able to go in modern skates? It’s scary. Fasted dude who ever played. Best player ever!
I like to imagine him being in his late 30s and on Team Canada '87.
McDavid without the puck vs McDavid with the puck is like a greyhound running around the back yard vs a greyhound chasing the rabbit out the race gate. Fast either way, but if you give em a reason to be fast, it's a whole nother gear.
hello. english not my first language. what means the word "nother"?
@@allanshpeley4284 uneducated slang version of 'other' or sometimes 'another'
This was good!!
No mention of Ivan Cournoyer?
As a historian, I love this kind of video. More of this please.
he didnt even do any research he said the first hockey game that was recorded was in 1898 thats just wrong the stanley cup was awarded in 1893 ... he shouldnt do more of this he dosent even bother to do surface level research the first league was in 1881 or earlier the first game was in the 1850s 9ive known since i wa slike 8 years old that the stanley cup was first awarded in 1893 thats surface level history
The world only hockey skate historian, has entered the forum!
Would love to see a head to head race for a quarter mile on a frozen lake !
Great Video!
I was such a huge Federov fan. That was a magical time. Then it was like the Censorship Industrial Complex killed hockey, preempting the Allstar game for things like Miami-Ohio vs Dayton Ohio basketball games. NHL has never recovered.
It would be interesting to see a faster skater with the puck competition, since that is what matters, as pointed out.
I think the skills comp should add a goal line to center ice sprint, should reduce chance of injury
Thats what they had at first. It was pretty boring. Really just an accerleration competition.
Rob I would respectfully disagree with some of your conclusions.
Any kid from the late 1950's and early 1960's, learning to skate on hand-me-down skates, learned to skate with no ankle support. As we learned to skate that way, our ankles were much stronger and it did not affect the speed on the ice. Older skates like CCM tacks in the late 60's early 1970's also lost ankle support over time, this being the norm.
I have recently been watching NHL skaters from the early 1920's to the 1950's, before my time. I was amazed to observe how fast they were skating. The camera angles of time just left the appearance that they were skating slower.
The trend in the 1970's was to rocker the skates so that only about 1.5 inches of blade were on the ice. While that increased turning agility and allowed rotation of the foot to increase acceleration, it did slow down top speed.
It appears that skates of this century are much lighter and I have been told that they no longer rocker the blades to the extent they did in my time...but believe me, I''m not sure many of the modern skaters would outskate Bobby Orr or many other speedsters at all levels of hockey at the time.
Lastly, for every kid who puts skates on, speed is where most of the fun is. When I started skating in the late 1950's, skating was the fasted thing you could do until you were old enough to have a bike. I know the rules were different back in the day of seven a side, but I would bet they were going faster than 7 miles an hour.
Thanks for the interesting analysis.
Would love to have seen Pavel Bure in the fastest skater.
He was in it a couple of times. He smoked Amonte in '98. You can see it plain as day and the announcers said it as well. Somehow, Amonte was awarded a faster time due to "technical issues." ruclips.net/video/CfnzpQJMgEI/видео.html
In '97 Bondra beat him by a bit: ruclips.net/video/BfEXJ4HOvTU/видео.html
Pavel Bure had that rare combination of blinding speed, instant acceleration, puck control, ability to read the plays and unpredictable directional change on the fly. Any two of these attributes is remarkable. But all four in the same package? Very few professional hockey players throughout history can make that claim.
@@brianphilippoi349The “technical issue” was that he wasn’t a North American player. He was born, raised & trained in a Commie Country
@@siobhanofarrell4646 You could be right. They did the same to Bondra against Gartner and Niedermayer as well.
Acceleration in short burts is a lot more important than velocity over long distances on the ice
Hey I just thought of something! The ultimate way to test for the fastest skater would be the quarter mile!
No cornering, just straight ahead full speed. All Star game in a city with a big frozen River.
This just inspired me to include a little ice skating experience in my novel about Neanderthals.
I have a pair of Bauer special pro, think they are from the early 70s. Even when they are as sharp as they can be they are pretty hard to skate over 10mph (guesstimate) with, lol.
As a Short Track Speed Skater, I always love watching the burly Hockey Players try to imitate our sport. Though their track I think is bigger, I can clear 100m in about 11 seconds, and 111m (The standard Short Track track) at about 13 seconds while in a longer race, and I am no where near Olympic levels
Short track follows the international/Olympic hockey rink rules, so it's 60x30m and NHL rinks are ~61x26m, so it's slightly shorter, but much wider for short track skaters, which allows them to maintain more speed through the turns.
@@jonees5359 The Short Track track doesn't follow the boards, we're like a good 20ft from the boards for safety reasons, plus we have a lot of padding along the boards too so if we do fall, we won't get injured
Pretty crazy how Bauer & CCM have been ripping for this long. Another fire video Rob 🔥
They don't make their skates... Asian factories do! Thank the Malaysian kids for your hockey skates!
@@v4v819manufacturing pulls 3rd World countries out of poverty, eventually. It beats starving.
Manufacturing exploits third world countries and kills their citizens! @@kftc1980
You forgot about Long Pond, Nova Scotia. That's what I understood to be the origin of ice hockey.
Great video, make more historical content, it’s very cool to learn more about the sport! 💯
Cournoyer. The roadrunner was impressively fast.
The average neighborhood teenage athlete can run about 16 or 17 mph.
Why didn't you mention Bobby Hull? He was clocked at 38.3 mph in a race against teammate Murray Balfour in 1960.
The current record is 38.82 mph set by Denis Kulyash of the KHL. Of course timing methods have improved so Hull could even have been faster than Kulyash.
These are apples-to-oranges comparisons, but they still should be included.
McDavid is the fastest skater when it matters with the puck on his stick in games
Paul Coffey had wheels.
What happened to the all star game and skills comp. these guys used to actually take pride in it and try their hardest.
Larkins record should be removed.
Are we really going through this video without mentioning pavel bure?
For me the fastest skater competition is akin to long drive contests in the golf world. They over emphasize just one component of the sport. In hockey I'd like to see some standardized test of speed WITH THE PUCK a much more valuable skill set!
Says "Good skaters" precedes to show a Milan Lucic highlight :) (from a Flames fan that isn't really well let's just say accurate)
7 MPH? 7 MPH is roughly the speed of a Koala bear, a notoriously slow animal. in the 1924 Olympics, the speed skaters could go 500m in 44 seconds, and that is from a stand still. That means they were skating on average at a speed of 25 mph. That isn't the top speed sprint, just the average That includes starting at a stand still. Skating in the 1920s was more than just a recreation activity back then. It was a legitimate means of transportation. People did it as a way to deliver goods, and could really skate. Even with the differences in skates, and the differences in speed skating and hockey skating, to think that the top speed of NHL players, even in the era of the 1920s couldn't hit 20 MPH is questionable, but to say that it was 7? There is just no way that 7 is even in the realm of a realistic guess.
However, you did do a good job at pointing out that Larkin's time wasn't from a stand still for that year, and most people miss that. I will also add, that Larkin wasn't even an All-Star that year, the NHL invited rookies to compete in the speed competition, probably because the NHL knew that they younger you were, the faster you would be. As you pointed out, Gartner couldn't defend his title each year, because he wasn't an All-Star each year. That is part of the deal, you need to be an all-star to defend your title. The NHL stacked the deck with rookies and gave them a running start so they could have a record breaking moment, but totally killed the reputation of the even in the process.
How come mcdavids time that was slower than larkins didnt shatter larkins time, but barzals time that was slower than larkins shattered larkins record?
13.170 < 13.172
@@athanagames 13.172 for Larkin and 13.175 for barzal , who got 13.170?
Fun fact, Im pretty sure Federov is the only player to win both fastest skater and hardest shot.
Al Iafrate (could be wrong)
McDavid is not only really fast but also a human cheat code.
Imagine Gartner with modern skates. 35 mph easily.
A 25 year old Gartner with modern skates...
@@RobTalksHockeyman could break the sound barrier 😂
Modern skates don't often any advantage over older skates. They're a bit lighter, but that's about it. They often actually impede good skating, emphasizing support over range of motion. Even in 80's and 90's skates, Gartner didn't lace to the top of the boot. He'd have to hack today's skates to a significant degree to facilitate his stride.
tt128556: No, not even close. The biggest jump in skate technology was before Gartner's time.
Which jump do you have in mind@@bauerj3398 ?
Mcdavid´s top speed is not that great but he´s accerelation and agility is just something else
lol
I have a pair of the Nova Scotia self fastening skates in my shop hanging up.
What I dont get is, for the people that denounce Larkin's fastest lap. Why not time it from the blue lines? He starts at the Blue, then crosses the red. So stop the clock after he hits the Blue on the way around.
Went back and timed it a few times.
Average time I got was 13.70
i watched the old star manufacturing building burn to the ground... 1998 .
This had a Summoning Salt vibe
Fastest skater with and without the puck should be in the all star competition in my opinion. What’s the point of blazing speed if you can’t control the puck at the same time?
Klick bait the first ice skater was faster than 7mph People have been hitting speeds well over the fastest sprinters of today from the inception of the single steel bladed leather boot skates.
Maybe down hill. But this wasn’t the case because of the lack of ankle support. Having limited ankle support leads to short strides. Long powerful strides is how skaters gain speed. Take a pair of shoes and strap some blades on. You’ll have a really tough time
@@RobTalksHockey I can flatout cook even in figure skates and I'm old, also speed skares don't have alot of ankle support some of the older ones are damn neer lowtops, alot of the stiffness in boots is for armor value.
Im not sying they havn't gotten faster, they have, but not worlds faster certinly not double or tripple and a bit of that is just due to athletic training, Mc david is going to be faster than mose in 1950's skates while normies could have jetspeeds on
7 mph also isn't very accurate for running speed. Top marathoners average over 13mph for 2 hours and the top sprinters break 25mph.
@@benrockwell1503 I'm old enough to have used skates from the 50's and b4, in the 80's multi genarational sports equipment was everywhere including my uncles lake house, and a slower kids wasnt beating me with new skates, but pucks and good slashes to the feet can put you down...
but best of antiquing by far is old boxing gloves... a distinct advantage the "vintage" Jack Dempsy gloves were to the point where kids with the TKOs or Everlast cheepos want no part, they take the knuckles away but anything landed clean was a bellringer! regaurdless how muck weight you were giving, you'd be dropping hammers and taking pillows. so long as you keep getting up they'll have to quit, just enough weight to scramble their brains.
Mike Gartner 👍
I also think we need a longer rink to see how fast these guys can really go
I don't think so. Hockey skates (curved blade) aren't made for speed, but mobility. Not a fair comparison, but speed skaters can barely turn on their skates. I'm pretty sure any (elite-type) figure skater on figure skates will outrun any hockey player on hockey skates. The hockey player may reach full speed faster, but the figure skater will overtake them.
@@grisflyt oh for sure, but i think it still be cool to give hockey skates a little more room to work with, so we can see the limit of hockey skates speed. I just feel like as soon as they gain momentum they have to turn for the lap.
@@marcoperez6772 I can't say you're wrong. But a hockey rink is not that short. Sure, you can't use all of it.
Mike gartner his record stood for so many years before it was only just broken by a 20 year old 28 mph wow he was absolutely amazing 🤩
This video really played down how dominant Fedorov was in time (in terms of speed). Yes Fedorov won it in 92 with 14.36 and Gartner won in 93 with 13.510, Fedorov won again in 1994 with 13.525. Gartner won it again the following year. Gartner was probably the fastest person of all time, but this video really plays down Fedorov's achievements.
For some reason, fedroov was not in the Fastest skating competitions in 93 and 95. I think he would have gave Gartner a run for his money
I didn’t emphasize his skating, but downplay? I don’t think so
Nice video but with a couple of mistakes in it. The NHL was formed in 1917, not 1907. Syl Apps played in the 1940s, not the 1910s. The fastest skater before Bobby Orr played was likely Bobby Hull. At one point in his career, he was measured as being the fastest skater and having the hardest shot, which he was more known for. Imagine how he and Orr would have done in an NHL All-Star skills competition in their prime. Their records would still stand today.
Showing Syl apps was an arbitrary choice. There are very few picture that I can use in a thumbnail from back in the day, so I used him to represent the early days. And very true, you hear about Hulls shot, but nobody mentions that his speed was also at the top of the league
In a pre-season skills competition at Maple Leaf Gardens in 1967 Bobby Hull as judged to be the fastest skater in the NHL at 29.7 mph without the puck and 28.3 with the puck on his stick. Cornoyer was second and Orr third. Both Orr and Cornoyer could reach top speed very fast. But Bobby Hull at top speed was as fast or faster than anyone. Hull also had the fastest slap shot at 120,4mph in that same competition
Should've mentionned Howie Morenz, he was the fastest skater until Bobby Orr. Still a great video!
The lack of helmets in the modern era surprises me. Oh well. They are professionals and more than competent skaters, goes without saying. The crashes, though!
Yvan Cournoyer would win first 20 yards
uh no e looked faster cause everyone was so slow
Aren’t they really just the fast All-Stars in hockey.
Im curious to know where the human and technological limit is: 110MPH is believed to be the absolute hardest shot a human can rip, perhaps a 13 second lap is the fastest a human could possibly skate?
Fedorov still the smoothest and fastest skater ive seen, legend
Matthew Lombardi never made an all-star roster, but if you watch him in highlights literally no one could keep up with him.
Imagine time traveling back with a pair of 2023 ccm skates and giving them to a player from 1909!🤣 i wonder how they would perform…??
imagine McDavid time traveliing back to the first game played, with his modern gear. They'd think he was a god or an alien or something. It would absolutely blow people's minds on every level.
Syl Apps was an amazing skater, but Max Bentley was one of the best skaters in Leafs' history, the eye test, says he was like McDavid in the 40s, fast, skilled, agile as can be.
Excellent video with one glaring mistake. It's very easy to determine the speed of players from the 40s, 50s, 60s and Bobby Orr in the 70s even before tracking technology. No eye test needed. Because we know the distance between the blue lines one just has to analyze actual footage to see how long hard back checking player (without puck) takes to get from one line to another. Then using basic math converting feet per second into miles per hour would give you that data.
Maybe you need a basic bath.
@@randolphmantooth5324 fixed the spelling ...apologize for triggering you
@@KEVIN88GT >Just a joke, homes. Respect for taking it smiling.
Couldn't they estimate how fast Bobby Orr was going by timing him over the known distance of the rink? I'd like to see them use the high tech analysis they have for today's game and apply it to old film so we can get an estimate of how fast Richard, Orr, and the other greats really were.
Definitely
Why do they need to do that? You North Americans will just whine - they’re they bestest Eeeeeevveeer - anyway - no matter the outcome of the results 🙄😂
Imagine if Pavel Bure was clocked at his prime.. :)
Gartner doing it at that age... imagine in his prime.
1. Gaborik, 2. Bure, 3. McDavid
Actually allmost all players, even in this video, after crossing a blue line, are entering a "corckscrew" mode. So no, they are not doing multiple things at the same time.
They never standardized where they left the nets.
Im still mad that the Leafs traded Gartner in 1996 after a 35 goal season.
No mention of Russ Courtnall
Did Pavel Bure ever participate in these? Im sure he was easily among the fastest ever, and he had the ability to stickhandle and maneuver at full speed.
Lapping is kinda bad way to measure. You really run out of blade if you push 100% in the curves.
just kncredible
7 miles per hour? "as fast as you can run"? People walk this fast.
Put the nets back on the pegs znd no running start
I've seen them all since 1965.
I rate Orr as the fastest. McDavid #2. Bure #3.
Yvon Cournoyer?
I do hope Bob Bourne is in this video.
it make it funny when people say that the skating is faster now then the 80s. gardner is only .2 off mcdavid.
I still think its ridiculous the way the NHL treats these skills contests. If they really cared about who can actually do it the best, theyd give each skater 3 attempts each year and pick the best time.
Theres so many factors that make this competition meaningless. Cale fell last year because of shitty florda ice. If these guys cant get another chance after they fall because they didnt know how much the ice can take at any given point, the results of the contest are pointless.
The contest is dumb. Measure the fastest skating speed during the game, when they care, or fastest speed on a long straight away, so they don't need to worry about crashing on the curves.
Ilya MIckayev IMO (least two years ago) is the fastest skater. That man can fly
goldeneye 5:53
McDavid is so fast he blows by the Stanley cup yearly with the second best player on his team and loses. Hasn’t even been is hilarious. Make up excuses he has had six top 10 picks with him and done nothing
well... some say that defence and goaltending are kinda important in the playoffs... so not much McDavid can do about that.
1907 for formation of the NHL. No, it was 1917. You're on a roll. Did you go to Harvard where you're taught that men can have have babies?
While he is nowhere near a legend and while he never played for my number 1 team, I gotta give a shoutout to Viktor Stalberg. When he played in the NHL he was fast asf! Ofc this other guy who I am gonna mention is certainly a legend and doesn't play for my team and that guy is Nathan MacKinnon. Natedogg flies by in frames so effortlessly