I cannot agree that Logan's Run is a bad movie. Whatever its faults, it's an interesting film with great replay value. I shudder to think of how the modern film industry would butcher the remake of such a gem.
It got the oscar for visual effects. The first mass audience film to show nudity. It featured issues about euthanasia and individuality, sexuality. It was the leading edge with everything thereafter mearly just following.
I'll never forget going to see Logan's Run with my friend, but it's how it remained relevant as I became an adult. Well, yeah and Jenny Agutter was smokin' hot! "Those cracks on your face, do they hurt?"
It's a CLASSIC that has aged just fine by me. I come back to it often. The only person I'd trust doing a 'reboot' would be Tony Gilroy and his team that did ANDOR. I wouldn't even trust Denis Villeneuve with it. It'd probably have to be a serious take on it, as there really is no way to make modern, the 70's camp element, as well as it's unique charm. That Moog score ...... "YOU CAN LIVE !!!!!!" ruclips.net/video/_hzHF76yad4/видео.html lol. I love it !!! Micheal York was an actor I grew up watching as a kid (The Three/Four Musketeers, The Island Of Dr. Moreau) and Jenny Agutter was like everyone's first crush LOL
@@DamienWalter Judging by what you want to do with it, it would be the usual postmodernist inversion of morals. Disney gave us Star Wars where family doesn't matter and good and evil are grey. Now you want to give us Logan's Run where longevity doesn't matter and the real caution is individual entrepreneurialism. Instead of anti-communism/pro-individualism, your message would be pro-communism[socialism as you'd put it]/anti-individualism. Why not put a message about UBI right in there. LOL. You'd fit right in in Hollywood. You'd be taken care of there! No "hustle" for you! It figures you like Andor too. Disney Star Wars shill.
In 1976, when "Logan's Run" released, I was 16-years-old . I have to disagree when you say it wasn't a good movie. For me, it holds up very well (much like Alien in 1979) and I still consider it a great movie! I would prefer that it never be re-made.
Welcome to the 21st century. Where corporations rule the world, squeezing every last penny from the masses requires turning them into mindless drones and new ideas are unwelcome.
"I am strong, independent and creative!" Goes ahead and leeches off every creative idea of the last 50 years and twists them into the same narrow framework of "modernity".
Of course we desperately need new creative talents. Nowadays way too much productions are reboots or prequels, sequels etc or adaptations of old success scenario. The period of time shown in this video is so rich in creation compared to nowadays. But I think it would also be interresting to modernize some of these masterpieces and good movies of the time. But it should be made without disrespecting nor forgetting the originals. Both new creations and reviving past glories should be needed. If it's done, the originals should be also honored and celebrated. A lot of young people discover and love old original masterpieces because they saw an adaptation or reboot. When it's this way, it's a good thing.
but I like his idea of applying it to our world as it is now. We are as he suggests living in an interesting period of time with urban work culture. You could even argue that it has affected our politics and the huge social disparity. They could weave a lot of things into this movie if done well.
I very much dount Damien Walker is in favour of remaking existing and established IPs. This much is obvious from the 1st few mins of this video where he describes the uniqueness and originalof each sci-fi mov ie of the 70s and even states he "lives in dread of Hollywood rebooting another classic". This really dosent watch as a true desire to remake Logan's Run, but an appreciation of how the Mythos of Logan's Run was later realised in the forming acheivment society and perhaps a desire to have this mythos appear and then ran to the same extreme as it was in Logan's Run in a modern media production.
You say that Logan’s Run has terrible special effects, but I just wanted to point out: “The 1976 film Logan's Run won a Special Academy Award for Visual Effects and was nominated for two other Academy Awards”
When I watched this movie in 1976 on the 70mm wide screen, the special effects were awesome. Oh course it only took 4 or so years for the effects to be super obvious.
I love Logan's Run. My dad took me and my brother to see it when it released in 1976. We were around 8 and 10 years old. He had no idea there was nudity and sexuality in it. He apologized afterwards, but we loved it.
The acting was wooden and the sets tinny . I remember walking out in the 70's. Big disappointment back then. I came across the the Sony Pictures 'Electric Dreams' 2017 movie collection of 8 PK Dicks stories , fabulous , well acted and polished production.
In the film, there are several shots of Logan's head as a hologram. These were genuine optical holograms, not simulated visual FX. I saw one of the screen-used Logan holographic heads in The Museum of Holography in Paris in the Mid-80s. It was a real-life optical hologram of Michael York's head in a clear plastic cylinder. On display, the cylinder was static, but as you moved round it, Logan's mouth opened & closed. In the film, there were several such cylinders which were rotated so the holographic heads appeared to be speaking. A very unusual and cool effect. 😎
They were similar to an animated GIF. Each frame was etched in a different viewing angle. It was essentially a monochrome image. You needed a strong light source and the rainbow effect was related to the imperfect alignment. Eventually it was cheap enough that many of us had necklaces or belt buckles with them.
My cousin Farrah was in this movie, and she looked great. Was awesome seeing her on the big screen. The charm of the original could never be duplicated today. No remake is needed! However, We also loved the TV show!
You mean Charlies' angels? I like when your cousin was doing full body painting, or rather, using her full body dipped in paint and rolling on the canvas to make art. Did she end up selling any? What a dumb question, of course she did.
As someone who saw this movie in the theater with my dad as a 9 year old SciFi fan in 1976, owned it on VHS and DVD for the last 30+ years, and have seen the movie in its entirety easily over 100 times, I can report that it absolutely does NOT need any kind of reboot, modification, makeover, or other form of arrogant half-assed revisionist meddling. It is perfectly 1976, analog and true! As a story, it stands the test of time as an imaginative dystopian-utopian view of the future. As a cinematic achievement it offers interesting indoor/outdoor sets and locations, tasteful use of special effects shots to enhance the story, and immersive emotional performances from the lead actors. Is it the auteur-level and finesse of Kubrick's 2001, or the special effects extravaganza of Star Wars? No on both. Logan' Run does not play as an audio-visual assault as has become standard in the Action/SciFi genre. It sits in that rarefied time capsule of the early 70's, pre- Star Wars, where a Sci-Fi movie could have deeper meaning than laser beams and explosions. Please for the love of all that is holy, walk away. Leave this one alone...it can only be diminished.
uh, have you read the book? it's a much better story and much more entertaining than the movie, which I absolutely love, and if they made a movie that was more in line with the actual book, it would be absolutely amazing.
If they remake Logans Run there is an 88% chance that it will be dark, gritty, dystopian, ugly, and it will miss the point of the original story completely. Please don't remake any more classic movies. Instead make new movies that in the years to come will be the new classics.
Turning movies into tv shows has a dubious track record, but I think the Logan's Run tv show made shortly after the movie was actually pretty good. So the movie plus the tv show, and for some reason I just really love the 70s sci-fi aesthetic, I'm content with what we've got.
Remaking movies should be considered copyright violation, even if you own the copyright. I know there's a 1000 reasons why it can't happen, but it should. People should come up with their own ideas.
I can understand the nomination for Art direction and Set Design since many of the visual and set designs were quite good but the effects even for that time looked cheesy. But if you google 1976 movies you'll see there wasn't much competition effects wise so being nominated maybe is understandable
I think he's mostly just talking about updating it for contemporary relevancy... to make the ideology of the film more accessible to modern audiences. but honestly there ARE more modern takes, with a similar feel, on this ideology if not an actual remake. I don't remember the name of it, but there was a film in the 2000s set in a very sterile hi-tech environment, shaved heads, everybody wearing white, Big Brother watching, etc, I think the plot mainly centered around genetic perfection being the driving force
@@neilrichardson7454 Typed in a reply but YT automatically deleted for some weird reason I think because it didn't like link (Oscar awards site) to the info so I will try again without. It actually won the effects award but shared it with King Kong as there where two winners that year in that category. For Art Direction it lost to All the President's Men and for Cinematography it lost to Bound for Glory
So many don't recall well the SFX prior to Star Wars. When I saw Star Wars it had been in theatres about a week and a large chunk of the audience were not seeing it for the first time. Yet that opining sfx shot STILL had them shutting up other than to 'oooo' and 'ahhh' at the wonder of it, and that is still a bit on the primitive side by todays standards. Back in 76 not being able to clearly make out the wires or see the duck tape seams was considered good enough. Not saying there weren't some amazing sfx before either move, 1968's 2001:A Space Odyssey was pretty damn good as was the the cleverness in ST:TOS's sfx that made up for ingenuity what budget didn't provide. But considering the competition it had around then I'm not surprised it got an award for sfx.
They can do 10,000 remakes of "Logan's Run" and they will never find a hotter and more gorgeous actress than Jenny Agutter. She was so hot she melted the Sun.
Yes she did. Unlike these days, she was NOT wearing a body suit. She was really naked under that flimsy single piece of material. That boosted her sex appeal into orbit when one stopped to think about it.
I can't imagine which modern actress could possibly replace her in that character, false body parts all over the shop these days, they all look awful. I prefer natural any day. A reboot would have to have all new characters I think, otherwise they'd only mess it all up. Perhaps leaving it alone is the best idea. It isn't a bad movie anyway, this fella is wrong on that point.
"What do we do with the old people..." Well, if they work for Wells Fargo, they die at work, siting at their cubicle for four days before anyone notices. True story. Just happened here.
@@BigDaddyJinx That poor woman. 61 years old and had seven more years before retirement. When you think about it, she clocked in at 7:00AM on a Friday. She must have died that day. No one noticed at all? Where did she eat lunch? No coworkers at all? What kind of solitary prison is that place? I often wonder how I'm gonna die, but at least it won't be like THAT!
I met Jenny Agutter in the 90s. I had to introduce her to an audience as she stood beside me. I couldnt speak if I looked her. She seemed to be radiating energy just standing still. Ive never met anyone with such powerful presence and Ive met quite a few charismatic stars.
It is true that the life span of humans - the longest any individual might live - hasn’t really changed much at all since the agrarian revolution. But overall life expectancy has increased because more of us, as individuals, are making it that far. This is indeed largely due to recent reductions in infant mortality. Most of human history has been blighted by poor survival rates among children, and that continues in various countries today. In the ancient world, at least, it seems *_some_* people certainly were able to live just as long as we do today. But just how common was it? Back in 1994 a study looked at every man entered into the Oxford Classical Dictionary who lived in ancient Greece or Rome. Their ages of death were compared to men listed in the more recent Chambers Biographical Dictionary. These were, of course, from the elite end of classical society. Of 397 ancients in total, 99 died violently by murder, suicide or in battle. Of the remaining 298, those born before 100BC lived to a median age of 72 years. Those born after 100BC lived to a median age of 66. (The authors speculate that the prevalence of dangerous lead plumbing may have led to this apparent shortening of life). The median of those who died between 1850 and 1949? Seventy-one years old - just one year less than their pre-100BC cohort. Not everyone agrees. “There was an enormous difference between the lifestyle of a poor versus an elite Roman,” says Valentina Gazzaniga, who is a medical historian at Rome’s La Sapienza University. “The conditions of life, access to medical therapies, even just hygiene - these were all certainly better among the elites.” In 2016, Gazzaniga published her research on more than 2,000 ancient Roman skeletons, all working-class people who were buried in common graves. Their *_average age of death was 30,_* and that wasn’t a mere statistical quirk: a high number of the skeletons were around that age. Many showed the effects of trauma from hard labour, as well as diseases we would associate with later ages, like arthritis. Men might have borne numerous injuries from manual labour or military service. But women - who, it's worth noting, also did hard labour such as working in the fields - hardly got off easy. Throughout history, childbirth, often in poor hygienic conditions, is just one reason why women were at particular risk during their fertile years. Every pregnancy itself was a danger. But what of humans before settled communities became the norm? Although it is obviously difficult to collect this kind of data, anthropologists have tried to substitute by looking at today's hunter-gatherer groups, such as the Ache of Paraguay and Hadza of Tanzania. They found that while the probability of a new-born’s survival to age 15 ranged between 55% for a Hadza boy up to 71% for an Ache boy, once someone survived to that point, they could expect to live until they were between 51 and 58 years old. So for *_most_* people for *_most_* of human history, while life span hasn't necessarily changed that much, life expectancy definitely has, and not just because of infant mortality.
Yeah but still not as many as now. Disease and in particular heart issues killed a lot more people back then, and childbirth. Penicillin and sulfa drugs were a thing.
I have been since I saw her in Walkabout, here in Australia, as a kid not really understanding what I was seeing. I'm 49 now and she's still way out of my league.
I saw it a few months ago and I'm in my fifties and I cried at the end too. I hadn't seen it in a long time and it really got me. The robots were almost sentient, I felt he could have left the one that was broken with his mate because he was all alone. I'm getting choked up just thinking about it now 😥
Sympathies. I am a 65 year old Research Software Engineer. At age 40 I decided to go back to university and get my PhD. This led to second and third careers strongly tied to the first.
Logan's Run (1976) is a Cult Classic. I first saw it in a Class room in 1987 when both The Film and myself were 11. I always saw Peter Ustinov in Logan's Run (1976) as Me, Just a humble Old Man who loves Old Possum's Book of Practical CATS.
Back in the 1970s they had "Computer Dating" , there were stacks of cards on top of cigarette machines in restaraunts you could fill out by filling in the little dots under questions like standardized tests, then the 'computer' would match you with someone and somehow get you in touch with them if you paid the fee. I used to fill these out when I was like 8 years old and learning to read...somehow thinking I'd meet the girl of my dreams.
The scene where the girl reaches out to touch Peter Ustinov is beautiful - he is reflecting a humanity within them which their egocentric society has hidden. They've also discovered cats.
I was almost sure you were using some kind of NIN-esque background music until @15:14 when you actually said it. This was so well done. Thanks and subbed.
Logan's Run, despite the wooden acting and occasional simplicity, is one of the very few movies I saw as a young teenager that stuck with me. To this day I keep returning to it. It keeps popping up in my head at the oddest time - when thinking about growing old or witnessing the current cult of youth, when reading about our dependency on technology, even when seeing homeless people spouting their drunk wisdom. This may not be a good movie - I seriously don't remember it well enough to judge - but it is an impressive one.
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx😂 US also has taps, but they're usually out at the street where homes and businesses connect (tap) their water line to the municipal water line. We pay a tap fee for the "privilege."
right, it's an adult-themed thing, and dumb public school "educated" kids could never possibly understand the implications of the main plot behind the movie. And its dangers. It's socialism/disguised as "utopia" taken to the n-th degree. And it has its grip on most of the world already.
The Island (2005) and Logan's Run (1971) are both science fiction movies that have been compared to each other, with some critics saying The Island is a partial remake of Logan's Run:
I wanna say there was a remake of Logan's Run in the works but it got canceled when The Island was being made. I personally love The Island despite it's many ridiculous plot holes.
I can't remember the name of it, but there was a movie from the 70s for which The Island is essentially a remake. Clone grown for spare organs escapes, eventually meets his original who had no idea his future transplants were coming from a fully human clone. In the 70s movie, the "original" is initially sympathetic, but then has a harsh reminder (don't remember the specifics) and thinks, "Wait, I need those organs!" There was also no gimmick about the clones thinking there was some amazing island get away.
@@SixActStructure Between 2010 and 2016 Warner hired number of writers to take a crack at a new screenplay for Logan's Run including the Bioshock game developer.
I'm astounded. This is probably the deepest, most thoughtful commentary and analog I've heard from any movie critic about any movie. It makes me actually want to see Logan's Run again in the hopes I can glean more from the story line than I did on my previous viewing some years ago. Experience with Hollywood remakes makes me wary of the usual suspects remaking this one, however. It would take rare vision and creativity to do it justice.
I was fifteen when Star Wars got released in ex Yugoslavia and to me and my friends who went to see it to the cinema it felt like a movie for kids. We were spoiled by all the seventies SF films that we could watch in the cinema without any age restriction. And we were devouring the hard SF literature by Stanislaw Lem and all the other eastern European authors.
I read a fair amount of Stanislaw Lem in the late 70s and 80s. "Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" was my favorite. Read it while living and working in a small military nuclear bunker. 🫡
Only a few years older than you I was at that same time also reading Eastern European and Soviet science fiction with my mix of North American and Western European authors. Growing up with a grandfather who loved watching westerns, I enjoyed Star Wars for what it was, a cowboy movie set in a galaxy far far away. I’m sure I’ll find Stanislaw Lem on one of my bookshelves, maybe with a bookmark in it from the late 70s.
The original Star Wars movies are a lot closer to fantasy adventure with magic swords and telekinesis than it is to a proper SciFi 😂 Tô me that is more than enough to put it in the kids menu as movies were made back then. Hardly anything thought provoking despite being entertaining to all ages. Besides that, there is no Science in that Science Fiction 😅 That's like saying Up is a movie about baloons because it's the cover and iconic scene. Same with Star Wars being label SciFi because it happens in space =/
No, Logans Run doesnt need a reboot - its perfect the way it is. Its just the younger generations that cant see that and thus a reboot made for them would ruin the thing. Let them watch woke star wars episodes.
YES! THANK YOU! I'm so sick to death of people like this tool wanting a remake of everything! It's like no one can appreciate things for what they are anymore. Almost every remake is terrible and this is definitely one film that's actually really good and definitely DOESN'T need to be remade.
@petermeyer6873 You lost me when you used 'woke' as a word. You're trying to be a cool kid while picking on the cool kids. The only people who use 'woke' as an insult have no idea what the term means, but use it to try to convince people they understand pop culture.
@@BradGryphonn News for you old boy, 'woke' is in fact a word. With two meanings. The past tense (verb 2) of the verb 'wake' and the contemporary use as a noun to denote a leftist agitator, disturber of the peace and general troublemaker. The only people who object to its convenience of conveying multiple messages, including abnegation and contempt, are the Woke themselves. After all, it was the Woke that coined it in the first place. You make your bed, you lie in it. The Woke can, and ought to, be ignored. The term will mark a point in history that future archaeologists and social historians will mark the demise of the West.
I think this generation of writers should focus on their own relevant stories and leave these classics alone - there hasn't been a justifiable 'reboot' that I can call to mind.....just create something new and I'll continue to watch the originals 😂
@@DamienWalter not in my view, its enjoyable, can't beat Chuck Heston or the impact of some of its pivotal moments...but I respect your right to your opinion
In this day and age of youth culture being THE culture, with all the emphasis on how social media is demonizing growing old, I feel like the themes of Logan’s Run are more prevalent today than they were in the 70’s.
This quickly escalated from a film review to a reflection on the harsh realities of life in the 21st century and how society has moved from a culture of personal discipline to one of personal achievement and inevitable burn out. 👏well done 👍
1. You can't replace Jenny. There's literally not one actress that can. Beauty, brains, vulnerability, Jenny has it all. 2. See #1, above. Leave Logan's Run alone.
This is a powerful episode. I saw Logan's Run as a kid in the movie theater many times and it struck a chord in me. Now almost 50 years later, same movie but it strikes a whole lot of different chords. I would love to see a remake. Keep up the great videos. Educational philosophical wonderfully inspirational. Thank you.
As a kid who grew up with Japanese trash sci-fi, 80s mecha anime and images of the Empire Strikes Back, I got hooked on “Logans Run” anyway. Jenny Agutter was the reason for doing so.
@@sjdrifter72 yup, easy equation, us guys were young, horny and any cute chickie was therefore easy to "lust after"! Guy + youth + hormones x cute chick = Lust Yup, move over Albo!! LOL ;D
They're been rebooting it for a while now. 'In Time' staring Justin Timberlake, used the 25 year age limit as a plot tool, and 'The Island' staring Ewan McGregor used the escape plot. They were both decent movies and very reminiscent of Logans Run. I believe there are a few others that hit on the theme, also.
I got about 20 minutes into "The Island" before thinking that it may be a reboot of Logan's Run. "In Time" doesn't have the same feel as Logan's Run despite having the similarity you mentioned.
While The Island and Logans Run has its similarities, The Island is a direct remake of Parts: The Clonus Horror, another 70s sci-fi movie. While not a classic, it was interesting, and was even showcased in Mystery Science Theater 3000.
@@DamienWalter you are COMPLETELY entitled to your opinion (to which I disagree and I imagine others as well, judging by at least some of the comments).
@@voicetubeYou're entiled to your *informed* opinion, and you are not entitled to your own facts. Calling Logan's Run great is both uninformed and factually incorrect.
@@DamienWalter Wow, OK. That means everybody who had that honest opinion who made that similar comment down below is uninformed and factually incorrect? That doesn't actually make very good sense when it comes to art. If it were something scientific, that might be another point of contention but not when it comes to art.
@@voicetube Yes. The practice of critical thought about anything will invalidate many peoples personal opinions. There's plenty of places that will pander to your opinions, this channel is not that. Thanks for commenting.
Good, yup. You are tired of these, I suspect, but ask your colleagues this, "what is black and tan and looks good on a lawyer"? Answer: "a Rottweiler"!! Sorry!! LOL ;D
@@blackmanops3749My mother took me to see it when I was 10 years old when it first came out in theaters in 1971. I break out the novel every few years or so and re-read it. And watch the movie too.
Yes, it's still an excellent movie. I rewatched it a while back and was impressed at how well it has held up since I first saw it on TV as a kid. Michael Crichton's original novel is also a fantastic read.
I remember when the movie was aired on ABC. Farrah Fawcett was a non-star when she did a cameo for like ten seconds, but she was HUGE when it aired on tv. Coming back from commercials “We now return to Logan’s Run starring Farrah Fawcett Majors.” Hilarious even to early teen me.
_Half a Life_ (Star Trek: The Next Generation) touched on this concept, featuring a culture that forced 60-year old citizens end their life (aka Resolution) rather than burden the young. For me, that one hit harder than _Logan's Run_ did - even though I've love the movie for ages. And, personally, it feel like my life-clock ended at 30... and restarted to 54. Haven't felt this alive in decades.
"Lauren's Run", Starring Rachel Zegler as Lauren 3, Ji Chang Wook as Francis 7, and Amandla Stenberg as Jessica 4. Girlbosses on the run, can't find the fabled Safe Space and decide to make their own, once they escape the toxic cult of dome life.
I think we had a lot of great sci fi in the seventies because they got away with worse special effects, and could therefore produce sci fi with sustainable budgets.
@@DamienWalter Also, good effects have costs. When you make things expensive like current day Star Wars(TV) and Star Trek, you have to widen the audience and you cannot please a rather limited demographic you could before, so it need to be different. May be a reason why so many people hate the later iterations of those franchises. I simply feel they widened the audience to such a degree, that a large part of the fan base will hate it regardless.
The promise of computer effects a la Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was cheaper budgets with good enough special effects. That the push has been to ever worse movies with stupendous special effects is a choice (cue Martin Scorsese).
@@radiosilence599 Back in the '50s, when "Forbidden Planet" was made, most SF movies were campy B-movies, and the casts, crew, and theaters were segregated. The casts also consisted largely of closeted LGBT actors! Some actors were also "passing" for white!
I agree. I often think of the movie Rollerball in relation to what is going on in the world now. If I remember correctly, they even refer to a period in their recent past as the corporate wars, where instead of states waging wars, it was huge corporations.
@@lematindesmagiciens8764 Which leads us to "The Sky Crawlers," where clones fight aerial battles and are replaced as they die in combat on behalf of corporations.
@ozzymandius666 I prefer not to think of the sequels... The original book was written by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson. The movie was very different from the books and, IMHO, Nolan tried to modify the sequel ("Logan's World") to sort of create a hybrid between the end of the movie and the world of the books. It didn't do very well. "Logan's Search", the third book, did the whole "alternate universe" thing to put Logan back into the world of the first book. Weak. The funny thing is that George Clayton Johnson was working on his own sequel, titled "Jessica's Run," but passed away before finishing it.
@ozzymandius666 The 2nd book wasn't terrible, there is some crazy shenanigans inside a mountain where the computer that runs the world government is housed. It isn't as good as Logan's run, though.
I love Logan's Run. It's one of my all-time favorite movies. Yeah, the visual effects are dated and unrealistic, but then again, you don't hear that same criticism of Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion. I think it's charming. I love everything about it. And it's already been remade as Repo Men, which was absolute garbage. I'm sorry you don't appreciate it.
I wouldn’t call Repo Men a remake of Logan’s Run. It deals with the same themes, but it’s certainly not a remake. A closer match would be the movie In Time, starring Justin Timberlake. Even that, though, would only be considered a thematic cousin to Logan’s Run.
you couldn't reboot Jenny - american werewolf in london, walkabout, equus and popping up in all sorts each time instantly identifiable and great to watch
Let's not forget about the TV series with the same name. Which at the time I enjoyed. Maybe making a movie might be a bad idea, but what about a streaming TV series? Netflix or Amazon could do a great job with it.
The ONLY way the studios will touch a remake of this classic is to completely GUT it of every social observation/themes in the movie and turn it into a SFX nightmare starring the latest greatest one dimensional celebrity talent worthy of a seven figure contract. I think you have a very solid idea here for a small to mid level budget Indie film.
My thoughts exactly. I'm intrigued by the reframing concept proposed here, but the thought that any major studio would even try to follow this advice, never mind get it right? Ludicrous.
@@harvey66616 major studios have ruled themselves out from being able to make any _real_ movies in these "days of woke and Establishment compliance". "small to mid level budget Indie film" would be the only way to go.
there is a rich vein to be mined here for aspiring storytellers: In a disciplinary society, the end goal is social order and stability, while in an achievement-oriented society, the end goal is personal success and recognition, often at the expense of social cohesion.
This was interesting, but the idea of renewal in the film is that when you go into carousel there is a chance you will come back down with a new white crystal. Logan talks about this in the film in regards to his job. He says something along the lines of "If people want to live past 30 they should take their chances on Carousel like everyone else" So it's not a rebirth that everyone gets. It's a 'gamble' that is rigged so on one can win.
Thank you for sharing this awesome video. I am sorry but I only made it to the two minute mark. I am just going to stop right here and watch this movie I have never hear of before. I will be back in a few days. Thanks mate !!
I remember all the good movies were on beta max and it was hard to find good movies on VHS. By the time I figured this out, and bought a beta max machine the VHS caught on and became more popular and then it was harder to find the beta tapes. I'm bad at trends.
Before the internet and overhyping you''d just see a movie and be pleasantly surprised or disappointed, corporate greed means studios just make movies for the big bucks.
These comments seem to miss the point. It doesn't sound like Damien wants to remake Logan's Run as is, but instead use the themes of Logan's Run to express basic struggles of human civilization that have been around as long as civilization itself.
Missing the point sums up youtube perffectly. Life is complicated and full of very important subtleties. I would describe these comments as misconceptions if I thought any of them had been conceived. Most are reactions to a single sentence and then off to the next. I do miss conversations.
Damien - you make a good point. The 1970s was filled with a lot of great, wild Sci-Fi movies that could use a reboot. No other decade produced movies that people still talk about with such fervor.
This is the first time I've seen your RUclips channel. I find your reflection on our society through this 1970s science fiction film very interesting. Thank you.
Stupendous video, mate. Thought I was going to see the usual RUclips badly researched regurgitation of a Wiki entry but got an incredible, thought provoking, opus. Bonus : it made the subsequent RUclips ad hilarious. Subbed.
The Matrix somewhat fits your idea of a remake of Logan’s run. A simulation where everyone seems to live in a drab, achievement centered culture but no one seeks happiness or renewal. The only way out is to completely destroy that simulation both physically and mentally. Chased by agents of simulation/reality control, destroying the whole thing awakens them too.
The series taught me that US shows weren't intended to tell a story, they were to drag on for as long as possible without reaching a conclusion. It was quite a relevation to young me, and rather spoiled shows I'd previously enjoyed, such as Star Trek. This is why Babylon 5, with its story arcs, blew me away.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Logan's Run, as long as you look at it through the eyes of a kid in the 70's. It is well acted and well written. I read the book before the movie and it was fairly true. But if it's remade, please, none of this tongue in cheek humor that permeates all modern action movies. And yes, leave it sexy!
Logan's run was one of my favourite movies as a kid, it really was an enjoyable sci fi movie for its time, my other all time favourite was the time machine the original.
I totally disagree with your assessment about the quality of Logan‘s Run. It was an awesome movie that I still hold in high regard. Way ahead of its time.
What _really_ needs to happen is that someone needs to dig up the _original_ screenplay for _Logan's Run,_ as written by Nolan and Johnson themselves, and film _that._ The original was chopped up and reworked, compressing the action into the single domed city. Admittedly, it'd be hard to find actors that could carry the roles of Logan and Jessica as well as Michael York and Jenny Agutter did.
@@davidvettemiller That was Nolan's intention, to do at least two movies as sequels instead of throwing Logan directly to television. Sadly, MGM had other ideas.
As a kid watching Logans Run for the first time when it hit TV, I thought it was a great movie! Made me really think about what the future could actually be.
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I cannot agree that Logan's Run is a bad movie. Whatever its faults, it's an interesting film with great replay value. I shudder to think of how the modern film industry would butcher the remake of such a gem.
It got the oscar for visual effects. The first mass audience film to show nudity. It featured issues about euthanasia and individuality, sexuality. It was the leading edge with everything thereafter mearly just following.
I still enjoy rewatching Logans Run
It's a great movie.
I can't finish this video trashing it.
I'll never forget going to see Logan's Run with my friend, but it's how it remained relevant as I became an adult. Well, yeah and Jenny Agutter was smokin' hot! "Those cracks on your face, do they hurt?"
This idiot says the movie was bad? What an idiot. If they remade it, it'd be ugly dikes and fayges
It's a CLASSIC that has aged just fine by me. I come back to it often.
The only person I'd trust doing a 'reboot' would be Tony Gilroy and his team that did ANDOR.
I wouldn't even trust Denis Villeneuve with it.
It'd probably have to be a serious take on it, as there really is no way to make modern, the 70's camp element, as well as it's unique charm. That Moog score ......
"YOU CAN LIVE !!!!!!"
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lol. I love it !!! Micheal York was an actor I grew up watching as a kid (The Three/Four Musketeers, The Island Of Dr. Moreau) and Jenny Agutter was like everyone's first crush LOL
Leave Logan alone. They won't do it well!
They won't. I will.
They are going to stain this with DEI initiatives
@@DamienWalter Judging by what you want to do with it, it would be the usual postmodernist inversion of morals. Disney gave us Star Wars where family doesn't matter and good and evil are grey. Now you want to give us Logan's Run where longevity doesn't matter and the real caution is individual entrepreneurialism. Instead of anti-communism/pro-individualism, your message would be pro-communism[socialism as you'd put it]/anti-individualism. Why not put a message about UBI right in there. LOL. You'd fit right in in Hollywood. You'd be taken care of there! No "hustle" for you! It figures you like Andor too. Disney Star Wars shill.
It worked for The Planet Of The Apes, didn't it?
Theyll make outside "fascism"
In 1976, when "Logan's Run" released, I was 16-years-old . I have to disagree when you say it wasn't a good movie. For me, it holds up very well (much like Alien in 1979) and I still consider it a great movie! I would prefer that it never be re-made.
I strongly disagree. We don't need old movies and IPs remade, we need people who are actually talented making new things.
Welcome to the 21st century. Where corporations rule the world, squeezing every last penny from the masses requires turning them into mindless drones and new ideas are unwelcome.
"I am strong, independent and creative!"
Goes ahead and leeches off every creative idea of the last 50 years and twists them into the same narrow framework of "modernity".
Of course we desperately need new creative talents. Nowadays way too much productions are reboots or prequels, sequels etc or adaptations of old success scenario.
The period of time shown in this video is so rich in creation compared to nowadays.
But I think it would also be interresting to modernize some of these masterpieces and good movies of the time. But it should be made without disrespecting nor forgetting the originals.
Both new creations and reviving past glories should be needed.
If it's done, the originals should be also honored and celebrated.
A lot of young people discover and love old original masterpieces because they saw an adaptation or reboot. When it's this way, it's a good thing.
but I like his idea of applying it to our world as it is now. We are as he suggests living in an interesting period of time with urban work culture. You could even argue that it has affected our politics and the huge social disparity. They could weave a lot of things into this movie if done well.
I very much dount Damien Walker is in favour of remaking existing and established IPs.
This much is obvious from the 1st few mins of this video where he describes the uniqueness and originalof each sci-fi mov ie of the 70s and even states he "lives in dread of Hollywood rebooting another classic".
This really dosent watch as a true desire to remake Logan's Run, but an appreciation of how the Mythos of Logan's Run was later realised in the forming acheivment society and perhaps a desire to have this mythos appear and then ran to the same extreme as it was in Logan's Run in a modern media production.
You say that Logan’s Run has terrible special effects, but I just wanted to point out:
“The 1976 film Logan's Run won a Special Academy Award for Visual Effects and was nominated for two other Academy Awards”
2001: A Space Odyssey and perhaps a couple of others not withstanding, the bar for special effects wasn't too high by '76.
No, it really wasn’t. 👌
When I watched this movie in 1976 on the 70mm wide screen, the special effects were awesome. Oh course it only took 4 or so years for the effects to be super obvious.
This was literally pre-Star Wars by one year. Star Wars changed everything; Close Encounters took it up a big notch.
I actually loved the gun effects. It was original. The gas escaping is pretty cool.
I love Logan's Run. My dad took me and my brother to see it when it released in 1976. We were around 8 and 10 years old. He had no idea there was nudity and sexuality in it. He apologized afterwards, but we loved it.
I saw the movie and had the comic book, too. I loved it.
The nudity was just a few seconds... from a distance... and no, there was no sexuality in it. "THERE IS NO SANCTURY...." and just as much sexuality.
@@dtatracey8159 I swear people were so much healthier in the 60's and 70's, both physically and mentally.
Logans Run isn't even a good movie?? Really. It's a great movie.
I agree with the video. It was a great concept with a mediocre (at best) execution.
Ahh so you support racism then? You support sexist tropes?
The acting was wooden and the sets tinny . I remember walking out in the 70's. Big disappointment back then.
I came across the the Sony Pictures 'Electric Dreams' 2017 movie collection of 8 PK Dicks stories , fabulous , well acted and polished production.
Two words: Jenny Agutter
@@MrRezRising She was so hot in this!🐅
In the film, there are several shots of Logan's head as a hologram.
These were genuine optical holograms, not simulated visual FX.
I saw one of the screen-used Logan holographic heads in The Museum of Holography in Paris in the Mid-80s.
It was a real-life optical hologram of Michael York's head in a clear plastic cylinder.
On display, the cylinder was static, but as you moved round it, Logan's mouth opened & closed.
In the film, there were several such cylinders which were rotated so the holographic heads appeared to be speaking.
A very unusual and cool effect. 😎
I saw the hologram in the Natural History Museum in London 😁
Very early holographic effort
@@JimboB-rh5td I would have thought it would be more likely to be next door in the science museum.
They were similar to an animated GIF. Each frame was etched in a different viewing angle. It was essentially a monochrome image. You needed a strong light source and the rainbow effect was related to the imperfect alignment. Eventually it was cheap enough that many of us had necklaces or belt buckles with them.
@@TroyDarling This was / a reasonably good movie, NOT 70s CHEESE.
My cousin Farrah was in this movie, and she looked great. Was awesome seeing her on the big screen. The charm of the original could never be duplicated today. No remake is needed! However, We also loved the TV show!
You mean Charlies' angels? I like when your cousin was doing full body painting, or rather, using her full body dipped in paint and rolling on the canvas to make art. Did she end up selling any? What a dumb question, of course she did.
As someone who saw this movie in the theater with my dad as a 9 year old SciFi fan in 1976, owned it on VHS and DVD for the last 30+ years, and have seen the movie in its entirety easily over 100 times, I can report that it absolutely does NOT need any kind of reboot, modification, makeover, or other form of arrogant half-assed revisionist meddling. It is perfectly 1976, analog and true! As a story, it stands the test of time as an imaginative dystopian-utopian view of the future. As a cinematic achievement it offers interesting indoor/outdoor sets and locations, tasteful use of special effects shots to enhance the story, and immersive emotional performances from the lead actors. Is it the auteur-level and finesse of Kubrick's 2001, or the special effects extravaganza of Star Wars? No on both. Logan' Run does not play as an audio-visual assault as has become standard in the Action/SciFi genre. It sits in that rarefied time capsule of the early 70's, pre- Star Wars, where a Sci-Fi movie could have deeper meaning than laser beams and explosions. Please for the love of all that is holy, walk away. Leave this one alone...it can only be diminished.
uh, have you read the book? it's a much better story and much more entertaining than the movie, which I absolutely love, and if they made a movie that was more in line with the actual book, it would be absolutely amazing.
I'm just like you on that one, though I did buy the TV series that came out it went on in interesting directions. But modern Pedo-Wood is incapable.
I agree!
15 and I could not take my eyes off Jenny Agutter and that dress she was almost wearing.
and which is why she used a minimum of face acting. She knew better than to upstage That Dress.
Don't forget the part where she wasn't wearing it.
@@davidcopplestone6266Impossible!
Agreed! Two other great movies with Agutter are Walkabout (1971, her breakout role), and An American Werewolf In London (1981)
Did you ever see Walkabout?
If they remake Logans Run there is an 88% chance that it will be dark, gritty, dystopian, ugly, and it will miss the point of the original story completely. Please don't remake any more classic movies. Instead make new movies that in the years to come will be the new classics.
Hollywood fubars remakes. I am happy with the original Logan's Run. It is a classic.
Turning movies into tv shows has a dubious track record, but I think the Logan's Run tv show made shortly after the movie was actually pretty good. So the movie plus the tv show, and for some reason I just really love the 70s sci-fi aesthetic, I'm content with what we've got.
Remaking movies should be considered copyright violation, even if you own the copyright.
I know there's a 1000 reasons why it can't happen, but it should.
People should come up with their own ideas.
@@frogsodaDune
If it's a classic, _leave it the h___ *alone!*_
Then just watch the classic and don’t concern yourself with a remake. 🤷♂️
When it comes to special effects, Logan's Run was nominated for an Oscar for both Visual Effects and Art Direction / Set Design.
I can understand the nomination for Art direction and Set Design since many of the visual and set designs were quite good but the effects even for that time looked cheesy. But if you google 1976 movies you'll see there wasn't much competition effects wise so being nominated maybe is understandable
I think he's mostly just talking about updating it for contemporary relevancy... to make the ideology of the film more accessible to modern audiences. but honestly there ARE more modern takes, with a similar feel, on this ideology if not an actual remake. I don't remember the name of it, but there was a film in the 2000s set in a very sterile hi-tech environment, shaved heads, everybody wearing white, Big Brother watching, etc, I think the plot mainly centered around genetic perfection being the driving force
Who did they lose to?
@@neilrichardson7454 Typed in a reply but YT automatically deleted for some weird reason I think because it didn't like link (Oscar awards site) to the info so I will try again without.
It actually won the effects award but shared it with King Kong as there where two winners that year in that category.
For Art Direction it lost to All the President's Men and for Cinematography it lost to Bound for Glory
So many don't recall well the SFX prior to Star Wars. When I saw Star Wars it had been in theatres about a week and a large chunk of the audience were not seeing it for the first time. Yet that opining sfx shot STILL had them shutting up other than to 'oooo' and 'ahhh' at the wonder of it, and that is still a bit on the primitive side by todays standards.
Back in 76 not being able to clearly make out the wires or see the duck tape seams was considered good enough. Not saying there weren't some amazing sfx before either move, 1968's 2001:A Space Odyssey was pretty damn good as was the the cleverness in ST:TOS's sfx that made up for ingenuity what budget didn't provide. But considering the competition it had around then I'm not surprised it got an award for sfx.
They can do 10,000 remakes of "Logan's Run" and they will never find a hotter and more gorgeous actress than Jenny Agutter. She was so hot she melted the Sun.
Yes she did. Unlike these days, she was NOT wearing a body suit. She was really naked under that flimsy single piece of material. That boosted her sex appeal into orbit when one stopped to think about it.
I can't imagine which modern actress could possibly replace her in that character, false body parts all over the shop these days, they all look awful. I prefer natural any day. A reboot would have to have all new characters I think, otherwise they'd only mess it all up. Perhaps leaving it alone is the best idea. It isn't a bad movie anyway, this fella is wrong on that point.
Dana Wynter comes close...
"What do we do with the old people..." Well, if they work for Wells Fargo, they die at work, siting at their cubicle for four days before anyone notices. True story. Just happened here.
Yeah that story is sure making the rounds online. Nauseating to say the least.
@@BigDaddyJinx That poor woman. 61 years old and had seven more years before retirement. When you think about it, she clocked in at 7:00AM on a Friday. She must have died that day. No one noticed at all? Where did she eat lunch? No coworkers at all? What kind of solitary prison is that place? I often wonder how I'm gonna die, but at least it won't be like THAT!
Very sad. I live in Phoenix too. We all need to make sure we have one person in our life that would miss us after 24 hours.
@@ADBLOCKER4RUclips THAT's Really.....Bizarre as Hades.
@@ADBLOCKER4RUclips Welcome to the Dystopian hell of corporate culture.
Jenny Agutter was such a standout in this movie that no one in the comments has mentioned that this was one of Farrah Fawcett's first movies.
She was in it only a few minutes but when they re released it after she got famous they gave her top billing.
And she was nothing special.
You apparently haven’t read the comments.
@@majorgear1021 no not every single one u got me there
I had such a crush on Jenny, and after seeing clips of her again it seems i still do lol
I met Jenny Agutter in the 90s. I had to introduce her to an audience as she stood beside me. I couldnt speak if I looked her. She seemed to be radiating energy just standing still. Ive never met anyone with such powerful presence and Ive met quite a few charismatic stars.
lucky man to be standing next to her... Respect!
Leave it be. They'll just screw it up like Star wars and Star Trek.
Everything doesn't need to be redone.
Star Woke and Star Tranq
NOTHING needs to be redone.
Rachel Zegler’s Run
We need to reboot it in another 30 years long after woke taint is gone and forgotten
@@drmminc192 Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Give this man a cigar!
People in ancient times actually lived to their sixties, seventies and older. Child mortality is what lowered the average lifespan most of all.
It is true that the life span of humans - the longest any individual might live - hasn’t really changed much at all since the agrarian revolution. But overall life expectancy has increased because more of us, as individuals, are making it that far.
This is indeed largely due to recent reductions in infant mortality. Most of human history has been blighted by poor survival rates among children, and that continues in various countries today.
In the ancient world, at least, it seems *_some_* people certainly were able to live just as long as we do today. But just how common was it?
Back in 1994 a study looked at every man entered into the Oxford Classical Dictionary who lived in ancient Greece or Rome. Their ages of death were compared to men listed in the more recent Chambers Biographical Dictionary. These were, of course, from the elite end of classical society.
Of 397 ancients in total, 99 died violently by murder, suicide or in battle. Of the remaining 298, those born before 100BC lived to a median age of 72 years. Those born after 100BC lived to a median age of 66. (The authors speculate that the prevalence of dangerous lead plumbing may have led to this apparent shortening of life).
The median of those who died between 1850 and 1949? Seventy-one years old - just one year less than their pre-100BC cohort.
Not everyone agrees. “There was an enormous difference between the lifestyle of a poor versus an elite Roman,” says Valentina Gazzaniga, who is a medical historian at Rome’s La Sapienza University. “The conditions of life, access to medical therapies, even just hygiene - these were all certainly better among the elites.”
In 2016, Gazzaniga published her research on more than 2,000 ancient Roman skeletons, all working-class people who were buried in common graves. Their *_average age of death was 30,_* and that wasn’t a mere statistical quirk: a high number of the skeletons were around that age. Many showed the effects of trauma from hard labour, as well as diseases we would associate with later ages, like arthritis.
Men might have borne numerous injuries from manual labour or military service. But women - who, it's worth noting, also did hard labour such as working in the fields - hardly got off easy. Throughout history, childbirth, often in poor hygienic conditions, is just one reason why women were at particular risk during their fertile years. Every pregnancy itself was a danger.
But what of humans before settled communities became the norm?
Although it is obviously difficult to collect this kind of data, anthropologists have tried to substitute by looking at today's hunter-gatherer groups, such as the Ache of Paraguay and Hadza of Tanzania. They found that while the probability of a new-born’s survival to age 15 ranged between 55% for a Hadza boy up to 71% for an Ache boy, once someone survived to that point, they could expect to live until they were between 51 and 58 years old.
So for *_most_* people for *_most_* of human history, while life span hasn't necessarily changed that much, life expectancy definitely has, and not just because of infant mortality.
@@martinharris5017 A rapidly shrinking demographic.
Yeah but still not as many as now. Disease and in particular heart issues killed a lot more people back then, and childbirth. Penicillin and sulfa drugs were a thing.
@@fredbobberts5753 at no other time in human history than today died as many people from heart issues than today.
Huh? My paRENTS bot LIVED 8 DECADES. My dad lived to be ninety! So di HIS dad! Where did you get this "lowered lifespan" idea?
Jenny Agutter is the reason this movie is a thing. Still in love with her after 50 years😂
Me too!
Well... one of the reasons anyway.
She completely upstaged Farrah Fawcett lol.
I have been since I saw her in Walkabout, here in Australia, as a kid not really understanding what I was seeing. I'm 49 now and she's still way out of my league.
She was and remains a totally awesome vision of beauty.
Bruce Dern in Silent Running was excellent. And as a 12 year old I cried my eyes out at the end
You got 'Dewey' eyed eh ;)
Yeah, Silent Running made you feel things for inanimate objects and the sole human.
Me too, brother. 😢
I saw it a few months ago and I'm in my fifties and I cried at the end too.
I hadn't seen it in a long time and it really got me. The robots were almost sentient, I felt he could have left the one that was broken with his mate because he was all alone. I'm getting choked up just thinking about it now 😥
Every time I watch it, my eyes get a little wet at the end.
As a 48 year old software engineer who has been unemployed for over a year...I may have to lie down for a bit. This video smacked me in the face.
Sorry :(
Same, friend, same. I remember the career counselor: “forget working in this field anymore, pick something new and reinvent yourself”
Sympathies. I am a 65 year old Research Software Engineer. At age 40 I decided to go back to university and get my PhD. This led to second and third careers strongly tied to the first.
Logan's Run (1976) is a Cult Classic. I first saw it in a Class room in 1987 when both The Film and myself were 11. I always saw Peter Ustinov in Logan's Run (1976) as Me, Just a humble Old Man who loves Old Possum's Book of Practical CATS.
The Logan’s Run dating app predicted the meatmarket that is Tinder
Yes.
Back in the 1970s they had "Computer Dating" , there were stacks of cards on top of cigarette machines in restaraunts you could fill out by filling in the little dots under questions like standardized tests, then the 'computer' would match you with someone and somehow get you in touch with them if you paid the fee. I used to fill these out when I was like 8 years old and learning to read...somehow thinking I'd meet the girl of my dreams.
More like craigslist 'casual encounters'. Note that the the first result Logan got was another guy.
There is nothing new on the earth, the only thing that changes is how it takes place.
Well. not really there yet. Wish technology would hurry up, Still cant get Jenny walking out of the laptop into my bedroom yet!
The scene where the girl reaches out to touch Peter Ustinov is beautiful - he is reflecting a humanity within them which their egocentric society has hidden.
They've also discovered cats.
💯👏👏
I have to admit that I really envy Old Man. I have a feeling he became quite popular with the young ladies of the city.
I was almost sure you were using some kind of NIN-esque background music until @15:14 when you actually said it. This was so well done. Thanks and subbed.
Logan's Run, despite the wooden acting and occasional simplicity, is one of the very few movies I saw as a young teenager that stuck with me. To this day I keep returning to it. It keeps popping up in my head at the oddest time - when thinking about growing old or witnessing the current cult of youth, when reading about our dependency on technology, even when seeing homeless people spouting their drunk wisdom. This may not be a good movie - I seriously don't remember it well enough to judge - but it is an impressive one.
Ever heard of the 2030 Agenda and Smart Cities aka 15 Minute Cities? Pretty spooky.
Why don't you view it again ? Wait for the Christmas time when the day is quiet and not stressful and enjoy watching it.
💯
I remember this masterpiece. It starred the most beautiful actress in the world, and it also had Farrah Faucet.
Saturn 3. Adam & Eve allegory, lost on most people.
Oh come on! Farrah who? Of course, that doesn't work here in the UK. We have taps.
I see what you did there.
(and agree, btw)
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx😂
US also has taps, but they're usually out at the street where homes and businesses connect (tap) their water line to the municipal water line. We pay a tap fee for the "privilege."
@@TheBuddyLama Thank you. I didn't know that.
Logan's Run is a total classic. It may be under appreciated, but does not need anything. Those that understand its appeal will understand my comment.
right, it's an adult-themed thing, and dumb public school "educated" kids could never possibly understand the implications of the main plot behind the movie. And its dangers. It's socialism/disguised as "utopia" taken to the n-th degree. And it has its grip on most of the world already.
I started listening to this review expecting another movie breakdown, but this turned out to be a much, much deeper analysis. Thanks!
The Island (2005) and Logan's Run (1971) are both science fiction movies that have been compared to each other, with some critics saying The Island is a partial remake of Logan's Run:
I wanna say there was a remake of Logan's Run in the works but it got canceled when The Island was being made. I personally love The Island despite it's many ridiculous plot holes.
DreamWorks got sued for copying the Clonus Horror. The Island looks like a reboot of Clonus.
I can't remember the name of it, but there was a movie from the 70s for which The Island is essentially a remake. Clone grown for spare organs escapes, eventually meets his original who had no idea his future transplants were coming from a fully human clone. In the 70s movie, the "original" is initially sympathetic, but then has a harsh reminder (don't remember the specifics) and thinks, "Wait, I need those organs!" There was also no gimmick about the clones thinking there was some amazing island get away.
@@ressljsthat would be “Parts: The Clonus Horror” (aka, The Clonus Horror, or simply Clonus).
@@SixActStructure Between 2010 and 2016 Warner hired number of writers to take a crack at a new screenplay for Logan's Run including the Bioshock game developer.
I'm astounded. This is probably the deepest, most thoughtful commentary and analog I've heard from any movie critic about any movie. It makes me actually want to see Logan's Run again in the hopes I can glean more from the story line than I did on my previous viewing some years ago. Experience with Hollywood remakes makes me wary of the usual suspects remaking this one, however. It would take rare vision and creativity to do it justice.
I was fifteen when Star Wars got released in ex Yugoslavia and to me and my friends who went to see it to the cinema it felt like a movie for kids. We were spoiled by all the seventies SF films that we could watch in the cinema without any age restriction. And we were devouring the hard SF literature by Stanislaw Lem and all the other eastern European authors.
I read a fair amount of Stanislaw Lem in the late 70s and 80s. "Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" was my favorite. Read it while living and working in a small military nuclear bunker. 🫡
In Canada. I believe at the time Lem was considered the best selling sf author in the world.
Only a few years older than you I was at that same time also reading Eastern European and Soviet science fiction with my mix of North American and Western European authors. Growing up with a grandfather who loved watching westerns, I enjoyed Star Wars for what it was, a cowboy movie set in a galaxy far far away. I’m sure I’ll find Stanislaw Lem on one of my bookshelves, maybe with a bookmark in it from the late 70s.
I was 7 years old when it came out. It's definitely a kid's film.
The original Star Wars movies are a lot closer to fantasy adventure with magic swords and telekinesis than it is to a proper SciFi 😂
Tô me that is more than enough to put it in the kids menu as movies were made back then. Hardly anything thought provoking despite being entertaining to all ages.
Besides that, there is no Science in that Science Fiction 😅
That's like saying Up is a movie about baloons because it's the cover and iconic scene. Same with Star Wars being label SciFi because it happens in space =/
No, Logans Run doesnt need a reboot - its perfect the way it is. Its just the younger generations that cant see that and thus a reboot made for them would ruin the thing. Let them watch woke star wars episodes.
YES! THANK YOU! I'm so sick to death of people like this tool wanting a remake of everything! It's like no one can appreciate things for what they are anymore. Almost every remake is terrible and this is definitely one film that's actually really good and definitely DOESN'T need to be remade.
Instead of reboots, it's time for new ideas.......
You ruined your comment with your "woke" bovine skat.
@petermeyer6873
You lost me when you used 'woke' as a word. You're trying to be a cool kid while picking on the cool kids. The only people who use 'woke' as an insult have no idea what the term means, but use it to try to convince people they understand pop culture.
@@BradGryphonn News for you old boy, 'woke' is in fact a word. With two meanings. The past tense (verb 2) of the verb 'wake' and the contemporary use as a noun to denote a leftist agitator, disturber of the peace and general troublemaker. The only people who object to its convenience of conveying multiple messages, including abnegation and contempt, are the Woke themselves. After all, it was the Woke that coined it in the first place. You make your bed, you lie in it. The Woke can, and ought to, be ignored. The term will mark a point in history that future archaeologists and social historians will mark the demise of the West.
Logan’s Run is an AWESOME movie!
I think this generation of writers should focus on their own relevant stories and leave these classics alone - there hasn't been a justifiable 'reboot' that I can call to mind.....just create something new and I'll continue to watch the originals 😂
Planet of the Apes. Equal to the original, far superior to the sequels.
@@DamienWalter not in my view, its enjoyable, can't beat Chuck Heston or the impact of some of its pivotal moments...but I respect your right to your opinion
In this day and age of youth culture being THE culture, with all the emphasis on how social media is demonizing growing old, I feel like the themes of Logan’s Run are more prevalent today than they were in the 70’s.
@@DamienWalter For every Planet of the Apes there' are 20 Rollerballs it seems.
They don't have any, because all they think about is being subversive G-BLT-OMG-WTF-BBQ activists.
This quickly escalated from a film review to a reflection on the harsh realities of life in the 21st century and how society has moved from a culture of personal discipline to one of personal achievement and inevitable burn out. 👏well done 👍
"personal achievement" ? More like 'why can't I have that' ?
1. You can't replace Jenny. There's literally not one actress that can. Beauty, brains, vulnerability, Jenny has it all.
2. See #1, above.
Leave Logan's Run alone.
As someone born in 1987, all the 70s movies you listed are some of my favourites, to the extent that they make up half of my remaining dvd collection.
He's a fool for saying this wasn't a good movie.
Too funny
There's a charm to Logans run that I don't think that can be re created and so many remakes have been bombs.
This is a powerful episode. I saw Logan's Run as a kid in the movie theater many times and it struck a chord in me. Now almost 50 years later, same movie but it strikes a whole lot of different chords. I would love to see a remake. Keep up the great videos. Educational philosophical wonderfully inspirational. Thank you.
As a kid who grew up with Japanese trash sci-fi, 80s mecha anime and images of the Empire Strikes Back, I got hooked on “Logans Run” anyway. Jenny Agutter was the reason for doing so.
@@MrJedi5150 The majority would disagree with you. Countless guys including myself lusted over Jenny.
@@sjdrifter72 yup, easy equation, us guys were young, horny and any cute chickie was therefore easy to "lust after"! Guy + youth + hormones x cute chick = Lust
Yup, move over Albo!! LOL ;D
They're been rebooting it for a while now. 'In Time' staring Justin Timberlake, used the 25 year age limit as a plot tool, and 'The Island' staring Ewan McGregor used the escape plot. They were both decent movies and very reminiscent of Logans Run. I believe there are a few others that hit on the theme, also.
I got about 20 minutes into "The Island" before thinking that it may be a reboot of Logan's Run.
"In Time" doesn't have the same feel as Logan's Run despite having the similarity you mentioned.
Blade Runner and Minority Report...
While The Island and Logans Run has its similarities, The Island is a direct remake of Parts: The Clonus Horror, another 70s sci-fi movie. While not a classic, it was interesting, and was even showcased in Mystery Science Theater 3000.
@@GeneElder.R027 Good to know, thanks!
@@GeneElder.R027one of the best mst3k episode.
1:24 I possibly have never disagreed with the comment made on a RUclips video than this one; Logan's Run was a GREAT film. Period.
To be great, it would have to match the greats. Blade Runner, 2001...Logan ain't even close to great.
@@DamienWalter you are COMPLETELY entitled to your opinion (to which I disagree and I imagine others as well, judging by at least some of the comments).
@@voicetubeYou're entiled to your *informed* opinion, and you are not entitled to your own facts. Calling Logan's Run great is both uninformed and factually incorrect.
@@DamienWalter Wow, OK. That means everybody who had that honest opinion who made that similar comment down below is uninformed and factually incorrect? That doesn't actually make very good sense when it comes to art. If it were something scientific, that might be another point of contention but not when it comes to art.
@@voicetube Yes. The practice of critical thought about anything will invalidate many peoples personal opinions. There's plenty of places that will pander to your opinions, this channel is not that. Thanks for commenting.
I’m a lawyer. There’s plenty of old people at my office, and no foosball tables. 😂
A law office is definitely a place where age and wisdom is respected, not cast away.
That would make sense. You also chose an occupation where following the rules is valued.
That is the boomer mythos.
Thats your down falk
Good, yup. You are tired of these, I suspect, but ask your colleagues this, "what is black and tan and looks good on a lawyer"? Answer: "a Rottweiler"!! Sorry!! LOL ;D
Absolute sacrilege Logan‘s run was one of the greatest movies ever created. I even liked the TV series and no, it can’t be made better
I really like the way you think. As an added bonus, you're one hell of an orator.
The Andromeda Strain (1971) is my favorite SciThri movie of all time.
That WAS good. I was too young when I first watched it and was freaked out by it.
@@blackmanops3749My mother took me to see it when I was 10 years old when it first came out in theaters in 1971. I break out the novel every few years or so and re-read it. And watch the movie too.
Excellent movie and great set design but no Jenny Agutter!
Yes, it's still an excellent movie. I rewatched it a while back and was impressed at how well it has held up since I first saw it on TV as a kid. Michael Crichton's original novel is also a fantastic read.
I remember when the movie was aired on ABC. Farrah Fawcett was a non-star when she did a cameo for like ten seconds, but she was HUGE when it aired on tv. Coming back from commercials “We now return to Logan’s Run starring Farrah Fawcett Majors.” Hilarious even to early teen me.
I loved this movie as a kid, loved it.
if I still remember it after 40+ years with reverence it can not possibly be bad
_Half a Life_ (Star Trek: The Next Generation) touched on this concept, featuring a culture that forced 60-year old citizens end their life (aka Resolution) rather than burden the young. For me, that one hit harder than _Logan's Run_ did - even though I've love the movie for ages. And, personally, it feel like my life-clock ended at 30... and restarted to 54. Haven't felt this alive in decades.
And there's that elderly couple on a cliff scene in Midsommar.
Being young in the 1970s, I wouldn't have it any other way.
I also enjoyed the Logan Run TV SERIES that I stumbled on 20 yrs ago, for what it was.
"Reboot"
Came the thunderous report of the large calibre weapon levelled at the back of the story's head...
The ROU Let’s Try That Again, Shall We?
"Lauren's Run", Starring Rachel Zegler as Lauren 3, Ji Chang Wook as Francis 7, and Amandla Stenberg as Jessica 4. Girlbosses on the run, can't find the fabled Safe Space and decide to make their own, once they escape the toxic cult of dome life.
@@xheralt perfect!
@@xheralt This right here is a work of art ❤
They would replace Farah Fawcett and Jenny Agutter with Cate Blanchett and Jamie Lee Curtis.
I think we had a lot of great sci fi in the seventies because they got away with worse special effects, and could therefore produce sci fi with sustainable budgets.
Good point.
@@DamienWalter Also, good effects have costs. When you make things expensive like current day Star Wars(TV) and Star Trek, you have to widen the audience and you cannot please a rather limited demographic you could before, so it need to be different. May be a reason why so many people hate the later iterations of those franchises. I simply feel they widened the audience to such a degree, that a large part of the fan base will hate it regardless.
The promise of computer effects a la Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was cheaper budgets with good enough special effects.
That the push has been to ever worse movies with stupendous special effects is a choice (cue Martin Scorsese).
@@steinarvilnes3954 So, a movie made for white 17-yr.-old boys can't please everybody else anymore?
@@radiosilence599 Back in the '50s, when "Forbidden Planet" was made, most SF movies were campy B-movies, and the casts, crew, and theaters were segregated. The casts also consisted largely of closeted LGBT actors! Some actors were also "passing" for white!
Correction : Logans Run was a really great movie.
Actually Rollerball is still very relevant. The world run by corporations.
Logan's Run is nothing like the book.
I agree. I often think of the movie Rollerball in relation to what is going on in the world now. If I remember correctly, they even refer to a period in their recent past as the corporate wars, where instead of states waging wars, it was huge corporations.
@@lematindesmagiciens8764 Which leads us to "The Sky Crawlers," where clones fight aerial battles and are replaced as they die in combat on behalf of corporations.
@@Otokichi786 I just watched the trailer. Looks pretty good. Thank you.
@ozzymandius666 I prefer not to think of the sequels...
The original book was written by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson. The movie was very different from the books and, IMHO, Nolan tried to modify the sequel ("Logan's World") to sort of create a hybrid between the end of the movie and the world of the books. It didn't do very well. "Logan's Search", the third book, did the whole "alternate universe" thing to put Logan back into the world of the first book. Weak.
The funny thing is that George Clayton Johnson was working on his own sequel, titled "Jessica's Run," but passed away before finishing it.
@ozzymandius666 The 2nd book wasn't terrible, there is some crazy shenanigans inside a mountain where the computer that runs the world government is housed. It isn't as good as Logan's run, though.
I love Logan's Run. It's one of my all-time favorite movies. Yeah, the visual effects are dated and unrealistic, but then again, you don't hear that same criticism of Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion. I think it's charming. I love everything about it. And it's already been remade as Repo Men, which was absolute garbage.
I'm sorry you don't appreciate it.
I wouldn’t call Repo Men a remake of Logan’s Run. It deals with the same themes, but it’s certainly not a remake. A closer match would be the movie In Time, starring Justin Timberlake. Even that, though, would only be considered a thematic cousin to Logan’s Run.
@@eyespy3001 Watch them both again. Some of the scenes are near shot-for-shot copies, in particular, when the Sandmen raid the runner's hideout.
@@InformantNet Is Logan’s Run streaming in any site right now? I’ve actually been wanting to rewatch it
@@InformantNet - Stealing some scenes from another film, because of inability to create an original scene, does not amount to a 'remake'.
@@sszorin It's not a literal remake. I was being hyperbolic. But the story beats are virtually the same in addition to the stolen scenes.
I really like your way to tell the stories. your channel deserves much more attention!
you couldn't reboot Jenny - american werewolf in london, walkabout, equus and popping up in all sorts each time instantly identifiable and great to watch
Emma Myers could reboot all those roles.
@@iGame3D Nope. Emma's pretty, but she's definitely no Jenny Agutter. Not by a longshot.
We don't need reboots. We need original concepts.
thats the problem in today's woke world. There is no true imagination because you are not allowed to be critical of anything. You need to comply...
Exactly. Also plenty of great untapped SF that needs to be made into film. The Forever War. Stainless Steel Rat.
Let's not forget about the TV series with the same name. Which at the time I enjoyed. Maybe making a movie might be a bad idea, but what about a streaming TV series? Netflix or Amazon could do a great job with it.
Logan’s Run is one of my favorite movies and Michael York bought us ice cream once from a street vendor.
I was 12 when Logan's Run came out. I loved it. I dressed up as a Sandman for Halloween that year. And then there was Jenny Agutter...
Logan's Run was one of the best 70's films I remember seeing as a kid.
I have zero problem with her wearing a collar. it looked very nice on her.
Not as nice as Jenny the Nurse 😍(early 80's).
The ONLY way the studios will touch a remake of this classic is to completely GUT it of every social observation/themes in the movie and turn it into a SFX nightmare starring the latest greatest one dimensional celebrity talent worthy of a seven figure contract.
I think you have a very solid idea here for a small to mid level budget Indie film.
My thoughts exactly. I'm intrigued by the reframing concept proposed here, but the thought that any major studio would even try to follow this advice, never mind get it right? Ludicrous.
@@harvey66616 major studios have ruled themselves out from being able to make any _real_ movies in these "days of woke and Establishment compliance". "small to mid level budget Indie film" would be the only way to go.
Logans Run is my favorite 70's sci fi. To me it is a perfect movie requiring nothing
there is a rich vein to be mined here for aspiring storytellers:
In a disciplinary society, the end goal is social order and stability, while in an achievement-oriented society, the end goal is personal success and recognition, often at the expense of social cohesion.
This is definitely a story premise for our times...
This was interesting, but the idea of renewal in the film is that when you go into carousel there is a chance you will come back down with a new white crystal. Logan talks about this in the film in regards to his job. He says something along the lines of "If people want to live past 30 they should take their chances on Carousel like everyone else"
So it's not a rebirth that everyone gets. It's a 'gamble' that is rigged so on one can win.
Interesting! Due to the cuts and vague translations I never understood his line that way, thanks!
Thank you for sharing this awesome video. I am sorry but I only made it to the two minute mark. I am just going to stop right here and watch this movie I have never hear of before. I will be back in a few days. Thanks mate !!
LOGAN'S RUN WAS EPIC!!!, Freaky bit was the "Carrousel". First watch in 1982 on the fabulous VHS, [when I was in 1st year at secondary school]....
I remember all the good movies were on beta max and it was hard to find good movies on VHS. By the time I figured this out, and bought a beta max machine the VHS caught on and became more popular and then it was harder to find the beta tapes. I'm bad at trends.
That carousel was some weird spooky cult s**t.
Freaked me out too, what with those masks and stuff
I still like to rewatch this now and then. Big Jenny Agutter fan.
Even better in An American Werewolf in London
She is still a hot woman at 71
You are right, we need "this story" rebooted and updated, but not necessarily in a land Logan Run world. Excellent and insightful analysis! Thanks
There is no film of that era that needs a reboot. There just isn't the personnel to make a film of the same calibre.
It's all downhill from here.
Good or even mediocre writers who can build a world with words can't be found in Hollyweird these days.:(
But look at Borderlands!
Before the internet and overhyping you''d just see a movie and be pleasantly surprised or disappointed, corporate greed means studios just make movies for the big bucks.
They brutalized my Omen, HANDS OFF MY LOGAN'S RUN !!!
These comments seem to miss the point. It doesn't sound like Damien wants to remake Logan's Run as is, but instead use the themes of Logan's Run to express basic struggles of human civilization that have been around as long as civilization itself.
which would be fine but don't call it logan's run make it a new movie exploring those themes
it would be interesting
@@yomogami4561 That sounds like an extremely GOOD idea.
Missing the point sums up youtube perffectly. Life is complicated and full of very important subtleties.
I would describe these comments as misconceptions if I thought any of them had been conceived.
Most are reactions to a single sentence and then off to the next. I do miss conversations.
Meh, he uses click bait to get us here, so I don't feel like any of it is honest.
Which... is what "Logan's Run" DOES!
Logan's Run was the stuff dreams are made of.
Damien - you make a good point. The 1970s was filled with a lot of great, wild Sci-Fi movies that could use a reboot. No other decade produced movies that people still talk about with such fervor.
Logan’s run is a great movie
Good luck finding anyone to replicate the intelligent yet innocent sensuality of Jenny Agutter.
But do try, please!
This is the first time I've seen your RUclips channel. I find your reflection on our society through this 1970s science fiction film very interesting. Thank you.
Stupendous video, mate. Thought I was going to see the usual RUclips badly researched regurgitation of a Wiki entry but got an incredible, thought provoking, opus. Bonus : it made the subsequent RUclips ad hilarious. Subbed.
What was the ad?
@@LateBoomer-sl1dk Some hulking bit-coin bro selling capitalism to me
@@johnberry5296 or a small pyramid that resembles the big one 🙂
Ditto
Logan's Run is perfect, last thing I want to see is a remake that would inevitably be for the so called "modern audience".
The Matrix somewhat fits your idea of a remake of Logan’s run. A simulation where everyone seems to live in a drab, achievement centered culture but no one seeks happiness or renewal. The only way out is to completely destroy that simulation both physically and mentally. Chased by agents of simulation/reality control, destroying the whole thing awakens them too.
Definitely many of the same theme. Machinic gnosticism.
Yeah it was done in 2005 with the island. While executed differently its based on the same source material
There actually was a reboot: a brief attempt at a TV series. Anyone who doesn't remember that should count themselves lucky.
I partly agree...yet.. the Logan's Run series is so bad, it's good!
I loved the series lol
The series taught me that US shows weren't intended to tell a story, they were to drag on for as long as possible without reaching a conclusion.
It was quite a relevation to young me, and rather spoiled shows I'd previously enjoyed, such as Star Trek.
This is why Babylon 5, with its story arcs, blew me away.
It's funny that I'm a huge Logan's Run fan but never once looked at the series. It heroes no interest for me.
The tv series had promise, but only got a half season (14 episodes) before the constant pre-emptions killed it and they gave up.
Wow brings back memories. I saw it on TV in the 70's when I was a kid and was riveted to it. The only time I saw it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Logan's Run, as long as you look at it through the eyes of a kid in the 70's. It is well acted and well written. I read the book before the movie and it was fairly true. But if it's remade, please, none of this tongue in cheek humor that permeates all modern action movies. And yes, leave it sexy!
Logan's run was one of my favourite movies as a kid, it really was an enjoyable sci fi movie for its time, my other all time favourite was the time machine the original.
Logan's Run was awesome. I grew up in this era and you can't look back and judge it from this era.
Jenny Agutter was perfect. Peter Ustinov was brilliant. It's fine as is.
If it was remade today it would suck. Leave it as it is.
a new version would be unavoidably woke...
I totally disagree with your assessment about the quality of Logan‘s Run. It was an awesome movie that I still hold in high regard. Way ahead of its time.
I think you were smoking weed and mixed up the movie with the show. This movie was awesome to the point I rebought it for DVD after having the VHS.
What _really_ needs to happen is that someone needs to dig up the _original_ screenplay for _Logan's Run,_ as written by Nolan and Johnson themselves, and film _that._ The original was chopped up and reworked, compressing the action into the single domed city. Admittedly, it'd be hard to find actors that could carry the roles of Logan and Jessica as well as Michael York and Jenny Agutter did.
Nolan also wrote three sequel books. Maybe we could see some of that.
@@davidvettemiller That was Nolan's intention, to do at least two movies as sequels instead of throwing Logan directly to television. Sadly, MGM had other ideas.
As a kid watching Logans Run for the first time when it hit TV, I thought it was a great movie! Made me really think about what the future could actually be.
Not gonna lie, loved the NIN music in the background
I was wondering if it was an original from the 70s that I hadn't realized Reznor had sampled or reworked...