Triple axels are probably harder as it’s harder to control the rotation at the end. That’s why men are starting to only add double toes at the end. A quad sal and toe and loop, essentially are only 3.5 rotations in the air and with the insane amount of pre-rotation most junior girls have on their flip and lutz, their practically also 3.5 in the air, if not 3.25 but don’t forget the 0.5> allowed on the ice. A triple axel has nearly no prerotation so they are close.
she usually bend her knee down more to jump higher. here she is trying to make it look easy like her junior years in 2006. there is no momentum. before 2010 TEB, her triple Axel is very different even her take off on her triple flip is different as well. she suffers a lot after the change.
Mao was trying to change her jump technique for consistency. Changing technique can ruin you but in the long run, you will benefit. Her triple flip much better compared to her early senior and junior years which had a deep inside edge and mule kick. She changed her Salchow technique which looks much more better now and she changed her lutz and was finally able to land a proper lutz in 2016 nationals. Her last competition
does anyone else know why she went from landing huge and fully rotated triple axels a season before the start of this video, then started to become less consistent on them? did she change coach? did she get injured?
Some people (e.g. someone who post comments in Korean) does not understand edge jumps at all. Herein I would like to point out what edge jumps are with good examples by Queen Yuna-kim (known as a text jumper in Korea) Even she (again, known as a “text” jumper in Korea) also executed edge jumps with pre-rotation and rotated even after landing. Followings are two good examples: ruclips.net/video/eoMkWIA2jVY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/hgXKJvTVW9g/видео.html If you play this part at 0.25X or 0.50 speed WITHOUT bias, you can easily understand that she executed salcow jumps with 0.5 pre-rotation and 0.25 rotation after landing. Please tell me if there was anyone who can execute edge jumps without pre-rotation :-)
Yes!! You described edge jump perfectly. Thank you much. Also, for flip and toe-loop, a skater's body starts rotating at toe-pick timing, since he/she rotates in the same direction as the previous curve. Lz is a counter jump, so the least pre-rotation is good. I would rather name Julia Sebestyen, Tonya Harding, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, and Miki Ando for textbook Lz. Ando should be textbook of salcow, too.
Yes. Mao was good at 3Lo. But in the years of 2011 - 2013, she stopped doing 3F + 3Lo because she would underrotate defeating the point of getting the high scores. She took it out of the short program and free. But since 2008, she took out the 3F + 3Lo from her free and instead did a 2Lo at the end. She needed the triple axel to help her. She found that she would constantly umderrotate the 3F + 3Lo and leading into the Olympics, she had no choice. Furthermore, she couldn’t add a triple toe as it’s her weakest jump. She had terrible, improper technique on the toeloop making it super inconsistent as her axis was off. During the two seasons after the Olympics, Mao worked on fixing her technique and she finally started doing 3F + 3Lo. She got it bad and added it to her free. But not her short opting to do 3Lo + 2Lo 3F + 3Lo - 10.2 points 3F + 2Lo - 7 points 3F + 3Lo (Underrotated + Downgrade) - 7 points with deduction so around 3 - 5 points. Meaning there was no point to put the effort and energy in when a 3F + 2Lo was going to get higher scores
성공률도 낮기도 낮지만, 이건 뭐 거의 랜딩전에 반바퀴를 꼬고 들어가네.. 저게 어디가 트리플악셀이야. 솔직히 세바퀴 반은 아니고.. 랜딩 시점부터 보면 대략 세바퀴 도는듯.. 마오는 일본 전국민들 기대가 커서 그런지 본인 기량에 비해서 지나치게 고난이도기술을 강요받는것같다.
Mao’s triple axel is decline following the Olympics in 2010 but she needed it to be at the top. She had a beautiful 3F-3Lo, but she would underrotate it a lot of the times and she realised that it was not worth it as the second loop would get downgraded and so she resorted to doing 3F-2Lo. She also had a weaker triple toe loop and therefore she rarely added the triple toe, except at the end of the double axel later on. Her lutz also had an edge issue resulting the deduction. Therefore the triple axel was essential for her
다운 판정만 아니면 어지간해선 일단 랜딩이라도 하면 신채점제상 더블악셀보다는 훨씬 낫죠. 다운판정이면 더악 기초점에 goe 감점받아서 오히려 손해인데 언더판정이면 투풋이나 스텝아웃 있었다고는 해도 4점 후반 ~ 5점 초반가량은 나올거에요! 언더 룰이 없던 벤쿠버 올림픽 시절에는 조금만 회전부족이어도 바로 더블악셀 기초점에 goe 감점이지만 이후에는 언더 룰이 신설되면서 마오한테는 훨씬 유리해진 부분이 있어요!!
마오가 점프 도입시간이 길고 스케일이 작은데다가 트랜지션이 적어서 Goe를 잘 못받았어요. Goe를 잘 못받으니 김연아 선수를 이기려면 트악같은 도박수를 둬서라도 기초점을 높여야하는 상황이었어요. 물론 저 시절에는 트악 잘 뛰어도 3-3 점프 못뛰면 무용지물이죠 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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her triple axel was better in her earlier years, but her artistry really improved later on.
足りてようと足りてなかろうと、挑み続けた精神力に拍手👏あれこれ言われ、注目され続け、心が折れかかったりしたと思う。それでも愚痴る事無く笑顔を見せてくれて、なかなか出来る事じゃ無いと思う！真央ちゃんにはフィギュア以外の沢山の物を見せて貰った気がします！真央ちゃんありがと。
完全同意します！
回転不足になろうが、見栄え点が低くくなろうが、現役の最後の最後まで挑戦した事に日本中の人が感動したと思います。
サムライ、と言う言葉がぴったりだと思います。
柔軟性もありいつも高度な技術に挑戦する姿勢が大切😊素晴らしい。同感ですね。
でもこの動画には悪意を感じる まず最初から失敗した ジャンプ ばかりあげている
@@user-il7dz7je8j ちょうど2010年からジャンプ修正し始めたから、ジャンプの失敗ばかりなのは仕方ないよｗ
何故ハングルが多いの？？ 不思議。
One of a few ladies who could and dared to do it on competitions 😍 I miss her so much
2010 world championships and Olympic she was successful of triple axels again and again and 2014 sp as well clean triple axel
4:26 and 13:47 are sooo good! Fantastic speed and height!
本当によく体型変化を乗り越えたと思う
este es el salto más difícil del patinaje artístico, mis respetos para Mao
Olympic Games 2014 FS was special 3Axel
４大陸の愛の夢は本当に感動した。
練習の時だとスピードが早かったり踏み込みに勢いがあって3A回りきってることが多いけど、本番だと遅くて回りきれてないように見えるんだけどどうなんだろ。
I feel like this can be tougher than some quads :x
Depends on the Skater
@@Magnanimous_ Kolyada's axels are very effortless as well
Triple axels are probably harder as it’s harder to control the rotation at the end. That’s why men are starting to only add double toes at the end. A quad sal and toe and loop, essentially are only 3.5 rotations in the air and with the insane amount of pre-rotation most junior girls have on their flip and lutz, their practically also 3.5 in the air, if not 3.25 but don’t forget the 0.5> allowed on the ice. A triple axel has nearly no prerotation so they are close.
信男先生が解禁していいよって言った後のアクセルすごい質がいいな
スケートのスピードを活かせてる
屈伸が少なく済んでいるからか、助走のスピードがほとんど死なないパワーのあるアクセルになりましたよね
今の時代の技術で回転足りてるか足りてないのかコンピュータで判定できないのかな。
バレーボールとかもようやくイン、アウト、ワンタッチがビデオ判定できるようになったから…
それで判定できるようになったら困る人がいるかw
A.スロフェルト
え、いやだから、
ジャンプの回転をAIで判定できればって話だと思いますよ
どうしても人の目だと判断ミスが起きるし、時間も掛かります。
買収だって実際に起きています。
(前例:ソルトレークオリンピック)
やろうと思えば簡単にできる技術力はあると思いますよ、フリップルッツのエッジ判定も回転の判定もできるはず。まあやらない理由があるんでしょうが
個人的にはgpf2013のspは加点をつけてもいいぐらいでは？と思う。日本開催だったし、五輪前だったし、、、
回転足りてるのに回転不足とられてるのあるし、ＧＯＥ低くし過ぎなとこもある気が...
他の試合はともかく２０１３のGPFのSPは判定が厳しいなって思いました。
she usually bend her knee down more to jump higher. here she is trying to make it look easy like her junior years in 2006. there is no momentum. before 2010 TEB, her triple Axel is very different even her take off on her triple flip is different as well. she suffers a lot after the change.
Mao was trying to change her jump technique for consistency. Changing technique can ruin you but in the long run, you will benefit. Her triple flip much better compared to her early senior and junior years which had a deep inside edge and mule kick. She changed her Salchow technique which looks much more better now and she changed her lutz and was finally able to land a proper lutz in 2016 nationals. Her last competition
트악 뛰다 넘어져서 3점 받느니 더블악셀에 가산점 받아 4점 받는게 더 낫겠지만 스포츠맨의 도전정신이 멋지네요.
does anyone else know why she went from landing huge and fully rotated triple axels a season before the start of this video, then started to become less consistent on them? did she change coach? did she get injured?
She changed her technique to a more proper one, which set her back 2 whole seasons
Some people (e.g. someone who post comments in Korean) does not understand edge jumps at all.
Herein I would like to point out what edge jumps are with good examples by Queen Yuna-kim (known as a text jumper in Korea)
Even she (again, known as a “text” jumper in Korea) also executed edge jumps with pre-rotation and rotated even after landing. Followings are two good examples:
ruclips.net/video/eoMkWIA2jVY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/hgXKJvTVW9g/видео.html
If you play this part at 0.25X or 0.50 speed WITHOUT bias, you can easily understand that she executed salcow jumps with 0.5 pre-rotation and 0.25 rotation after landing.
Please tell me if there was anyone who can execute edge jumps without pre-rotation :-)
You're the first person I've seen on youtube who understands how edge jumps work!
Yes!! You described edge jump perfectly. Thank you much.
Also, for flip and toe-loop, a skater's body starts rotating at toe-pick timing, since he/she rotates in the same direction as the previous curve. Lz is a counter jump, so the least pre-rotation is good. I would rather name Julia Sebestyen, Tonya Harding, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, and Miki Ando for textbook Lz. Ando should be textbook of salcow, too.
転んでるのも多いし、回転不足もあるけどもさ…回転不足じゃないものも回転不足の判定取られてるのはおかしくない？
Her 3A was much better in the practice in general
Q L Because she has weaknesses mental
韓国人てくだらないよね
改めて見ると回転不足判定されてるうちの半分くらい足りてる。
判定が厳しいとかいう問題じゃなくて、誤った判定がおおすぎる・・
酒井紀子 割と足りてないのが多いですよ。浅田選手はつま先から着氷する着氷の仕方なので回転不足になりやすいです。今の女子選手の多くはミッドフットといって足全体で着氷し、より回転不足を取られなくする方法を取っていますが、浅田選手はその方法を取る練習はあまりしなかったようです。またタッチダウンの癖もあったので、そこで回転が十分ではないと判断されて回転不足判定というのもありました。ただ2013年世界選手権のショートのようにタッチダウンでも回転は十分と判断され加点がつくこともありましたし、浅田選手だけがとりわけ厳しいというわけでもないです。
コメおしゃ あんまりフィギュアに詳しくないのですが、そうなんですね
@@mk-sm4on この時代 韓国の選手だけ 異常に点数が高く加点されました 他の選手は低く抑えられました 浅田真央選手は特にひどかったです
RUclipsの偏向動画の見すぎ―。『浅田真央が特に』って、あるわけないじゃん。
いくつかのダウングレードはアンダーローテーションなんじゃないかって思ったりします
最後の足りてね？？
気の所為かもしれないけど
着氷の時に踵が下がっているほどアンダー取られやすい印象がある。
DGっぽいのがURだったり、体重が乗った2ftが減点されてなかったりするのでそこまでさして厳しい判定ばかりではないと思いますよ。
練習のと比較するとやはり本番で決めるのは難しいんだなとは思いますが
これだけずっと跳んでいたことは本当に素晴らしいですね
5:57 damn damn damn indeed
Why are there so many korean comments?
Hatersss
@@figureskatingcommentator9162 mao bots 🖕🖕
@@fnb8171 what. I love mao and yuna. Yuna is also sooo good. Your argument does not work here
@@figureskatingcommentator9162 mao is bubble mao bots yiur arguments was not work here
The first one, so beautiful dress😍🖤
2012 SP the blue dress is gorgeous 😍💙
Purple also fits her sooooo well 💜💜💜
Almost comments are Korean one
한국 이름 달고 매국노 행위 하는거 안 부끄러우세요?
2A = 3.3+goe = about 5
3A< = 6-goe = about 4
3A
Yes. Mao was good at 3Lo. But in the years of 2011 - 2013, she stopped doing 3F + 3Lo because she would underrotate defeating the point of getting the high scores. She took it out of the short program and free. But since 2008, she took out the 3F + 3Lo from her free and instead did a 2Lo at the end. She needed the triple axel to help her. She found that she would constantly umderrotate the 3F + 3Lo and leading into the Olympics, she had no choice. Furthermore, she couldn’t add a triple toe as it’s her weakest jump. She had terrible, improper technique on the toeloop making it super inconsistent as her axis was off. During the two seasons after the Olympics, Mao worked on fixing her technique and she finally started doing 3F + 3Lo. She got it bad and added it to her free. But not her short opting to do 3Lo + 2Lo
3F + 3Lo - 10.2 points
3F + 2Lo - 7 points
3F + 3Lo (Underrotated + Downgrade)
- 7 points with deduction so around 3 - 5 points. Meaning there was no point to put the effort and energy in when a 3F + 2Lo was going to get higher scores
イぐ！
13/14시즌은 올림픽 프리 이전에 가산점을 받은 ‘적’이 없네.
9：23は絶対回転足りてるよー(￣^￣)
約ネバマジ最高! 微妙に足りてないです。着氷した時にかなり氷が飛び散ってグリ降りしてますし、荒川さんがいうようにフラフラーとするのは着氷自体に力みのある無理な着氷とみなされます。ただあのグランプリファイナルは他の選手を含めてかなり回転が厳しかったので、大会によってムラがあるのはどうかとも思いますよね。
ド素人にはわからないのですよ。だからマオタの偏向動画に騙されるのです。(^-^)
@くまのプーさんくまのプーさん ん？？
Queen of 3A!
Really????🙄
ㅋ
？
@@grapefruitgrapefruit4558 yes
@@figureskatingcommentator9162 no mao bots
성공률도 낮기도 낮지만, 이건 뭐 거의 랜딩전에 반바퀴를 꼬고 들어가네.. 저게 어디가 트리플악셀이야. 솔직히 세바퀴 반은 아니고.. 랜딩 시점부터 보면 대략 세바퀴 도는듯.. 마오는 일본 전국민들 기대가 커서 그런지 본인 기량에 비해서 지나치게 고난이도기술을 강요받는것같다.
악셀 점프 원래 프리로테 허용 점프 아닌 가요?
트플뛰는 다른선수도 반바퀴정도 돌던데
@@jihunpark8338 ㄴㄴ 다른 트리플은 반바퀴 미리 안돌고 들어감 악셀 점프만 앞 보고 반바퀴 미리 비비고 들어감
@@shin2189 그런가요? 룹 살코 악셀은 약간의 프리로테 허용으로 알고 있어서요 솔직히 아사다 마오다 랜딩전에도 비비고 랜딩 후에도 비벼대서 ..... 쥬니어때는 회전각 높이 어느정도 나오는거 같아서 걍 폐급으로 뛰다가 시니어 올라가서 망가지더리고요
ハングルきも！いつまでもヨナヨナ言っとけ
마오 선수 화이팅! 2017년에도 화이팅
It must be very hard that even Queen Yuna dedided not to do it
This is very risk jump, you land it, you win, you fall, you lose.😢
2013世界選手権のショートは加点渋いといつも思っていたけど、両足着氷になってるから加点貰えただけでもラッキーだったか。
回転不足で点数を引くのは分かるけど、何も2Aの基礎点より低くするのは無いでしょ！？真央ちゃんなら3Aを封印して3F3Loだけ跳んでいれば勝てたのに、それでも挑戦し続けたのは凄い。
Na maioria dos saltos faltou mais altura e impulso pra completar a rotação
2014世界フィギュアのフリーの判定は厳しいって
離氷が少し遅かったとか？
グランプリファイナルのショートのアンダーローテーションは悪意を感じる
투풋인데 가산점?
유연하고 몸도 잘 쓰던데 그놈의 트악 고집말고 차라리 엣지 다듬고 다른 트리플 점프를 다듬지..
ㄹㅇ... 마오 3F-3L같은 뒤에 룹콤비 잘붙이던데 그거연습 하지 차라리... 사실 기본점수상은 연아가 뛰는 트플트토보다 트플트룹이 점수은 기술이란 말이지.. 마오는 물론 언더를 받지만.. 이제보니 트악 성공률 처참하네 ㅋㅋㅋ
뚝딱이
32times 3A
1. 3A +GOE 5 times (about 9 score)
2. 3A -GOE 7 times (about 5 score)
3. 3A< 14 times (about 3.5 score)
4. 3A
Mao’s triple axel is decline following the Olympics in 2010 but she needed it to be at the top. She had a beautiful 3F-3Lo, but she would underrotate it a lot of the times and she realised that it was not worth it as the second loop would get downgraded and so she resorted to doing 3F-2Lo. She also had a weaker triple toe loop and therefore she rarely added the triple toe, except at the end of the double axel later on. Her lutz also had an edge issue resulting the deduction. Therefore the triple axel was essential for her
She's already faced backwards before taking off from the ice. Then lands under rotated.
2점 받을커면 걍 아예 뛰질 말지...
이상하게 사대륙만 가산점 두둑히 먹는다
@@user-ej7gh7wy4v 일본의 입김이 ...
8:16 투풋으로 내려오는 거 보고 관중들 다 같이 탄식하고 다 같이 터지는 거 존웃 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 이렇게 모아놓고 보니 자국경기에서는 투풋 정도는 죄다 애교로 봐줬네.
プレロテはこんなものなの？
치팅비비기에 투풋랜딩..
어처피 넘어져도 더악보다 이득인게 트악이라ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ맨날 못버리고 엉터리 트악 하는거지 뭐...
ㄴㄴ보니까
다운 판정만 아니면 어지간해선 일단 랜딩이라도 하면 신채점제상 더블악셀보다는 훨씬 낫죠.
다운판정이면 더악 기초점에 goe 감점받아서 오히려 손해인데 언더판정이면 투풋이나 스텝아웃 있었다고는 해도 4점 후반 ~ 5점 초반가량은 나올거에요!
언더 룰이 없던 벤쿠버 올림픽 시절에는 조금만 회전부족이어도 바로 더블악셀 기초점에 goe 감점이지만 이후에는 언더 룰이 신설되면서 마오한테는 훨씬 유리해진 부분이 있어요!!
마오는 제대로 뛰는 점프가 대체 모야?? 다른 점프들은 잘못된 엣지에 회전 부족 🙄
이 영상만 봐도 제대로 성공한 점프가 5번이 채 안됨
감점받은 트리플악셀이 넘 많음. 3-3컴비네이션이 웬만하면 트악보다 기초점 높고, 이걸 김연아처럼 안정되게 장착하는 게 좋은데.... 와 자꾸 트악에만 목숨거는지
3-3 .회전부족이 심해서.... 이 선수가
마오가 김연아선수처럼 GOE(가산점)에 유리한 타입이 아니고, 트리플-트리플도 불가능이었어요. 트리플 악셀 통해서 기초점을 끌어올려 클린한 뒤 김연아 선수가 실수하기를 기다리는 것 외에는 도저히 이길 방법이 없긴 했어요.
마오도 노력한 만큼 결과를 거뒀어야 하는데 아쉽다. 트리플악셀은 세바퀴 반인데 거의 90%이상은 반바퀴를 못 돌고 토를 찍는다. 연습에서는 분명 잘 하는 거 같은데, 실전에서. ㅠㅠ
GPF2013のSPは認めてあげてほしかった
天野真…
에휴.. 에초에 아사다마오 처음에거르친 코치가 야마단지 어쨋든 그년인데 그사람은 러츠에대한개념이없어서 아사다마오를 플러츠의 레전드로만듬 그리고 트악집착시킴 타라소바가 럿츠교정하려는데 실패하고 트악 잡착
점프전에 흐름이 늘 끊긴다
자연스레 물흐르듯 연결되야 보기도 좋은데 늘 점프전에 항상 준비자세하듯 ㅋ
마오가 점프 도입시간이 길고 스케일이 작은데다가 트랜지션이 적어서 Goe를 잘 못받았어요. Goe를 잘 못받으니 김연아 선수를 이기려면 트악같은 도박수를 둬서라도 기초점을 높여야하는 상황이었어요. 물론 저 시절에는 트악 잘 뛰어도 3-3 점프 못뛰면 무용지물이죠 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
마오 파이팅♥ 평창에서 금메달 따자
미미미미미 니가따라
거의다 불안전한 악셀이네..차라리 김연아처럼 아에 트악을 포기하지...
그냥 트리플플립 인데? ㅋㅋㅋ 그래도 얘가 형광 나방보다 낫다 노력은 했자나?
우현수 님 플립이 뭔지 모르죠?ㅋㅋㅋ
김수환 누가보면 니가 피겨선수 인줄 알겄다?
우현수 아니ㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 관심 있는 정돈데 악셀 플립은 구분함.
우현수
플립못구별하는게
이상한거야 ..문찐아
@@user-rv3km2rp4m 반바퀴비비면서 뒤를 돈상태에서 점프시작하니까 플립이라고 비꼰거같은데요
2013ワールドsp はツーフットだけどプラス評価だね。(^-^) 一見成功に見えるけど。
何故プラス評価なのかは分からないけれど、ツーフットではなくタッチダウンだね。(^-^)
どちらにしても減点だね。(^-^)
항상 거짓 트악. 가산점이 이해안됨.
근데 성공했다하더라도 치팅점프에 가산점을 왜주지?
회전수를 채우면 랜딩이 구려지고, 랜딩이 깔끔하면 회전수가 부족ㅋㅋㅋ
퀄도 구린데 성공률까지 낮음ㄷㄷ
트악 질이 너무 안좋네..... 애초에 망가진 점프라 성공을 못하지
こうして並べられると大博打な成功率なのに世間は期待しすぎだったよね。
今思えば金メダルとかプレッシャーかけすぎで気の毒でしたね…
まずクリーンな演技ができなければ勝つのは難しいですし。
Under queen
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