Right?? I'm not even a fan of jake's but logans hate for him makes me want to defend him lol. I remember when they were both little teens and logan was the big name. Hes just pissed that jake overtook him and now he's just a podcast with a sports drink...
Logan purposely knocked jakes cap off as he was announced the winner of the fight. He is an awful brother, just tries to knock him down. But jake is an AH anyway so i dunno how to feel about this
@@DaSofaSurfer Mike was in the hospital nearly dying with blood transfusions a couple months ago that’s why the fight was pushed off. It’s not rigged Mike just aged I mean for gosh sake dude was halfway limping on his walk out to the ring. It was a shameful match that shouldn’t have happened. It’s not rigged just shouldn’t have happened
Imagine seriously thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance to beat Jake Paul. Jake Paul held back. The delusion and cope is unreal. (Mike Tyson was in bed for a week after just 30 seconds of punching)- The mirror. This article was also 4 years ago. Jake is 27 years old, 230 pounds in his prime who has trained seriously in boxing for at least 6 years maybe 8 with the best training money can buy. Mike is 58 years old, has several health problems, smokes, retired 20 years ago, has not trained seriously for years. Like guys you're blinded by your love for Mike and hate for Jake that you can't see the obvious. You don't want to accept the truth.
Every single boxer fights journeymen for at least first 10 fights. Jake fought August who I'm sure was a 3 time golden glove champion in the amateurs so was 100000% a boxer. If you look at the calibre he's fought compared to even the likes of Fury and AJ his first ten fights aren't anything out the ordinary. He'd fight genuine fighters. Even if they are MMA fighters they have a lot more fight in them than a lot of people give credit for. Anderson Silva for example he beat Julio Cesar Chaves Jr. That isn't a joke fighter mate. Regardless of age.
anyone who is screaming rigged has somehow forgotten IT WAS A 58 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHTING A GUY MORE THAN HALF HIS AGE!!!! There is a reason the fight was in Texas, and its because its the only state where there isnt a limit on the age difference that two fighters can be. If the whole of the boxing world can acknowledge age makes a difference except for one body, then you are probably wrong. Father time comes for everyone, no one can escape.
My man, your headphone wire is holding on for DEAR LIFE! Almost time to get new ones lol (insert dead emoji here) good video Shaun, keep up the great work brother.
@@aquacleaning4994but if he despises it why use it? There are other emojis that can portray the same emotions or reactions, if he hates it so much, he is still now partaking in that emojis use but just in the CRINGIEST way possible. Zzzz
I love how you comment about yourself, cause if YOU SEEN the fight, your comment doesn’t make any sense. it was clearly a friendly match style boxing. like Zidane 11 vs. Ronaldo 11 or some ishg
@UpSideMuzic lol no Minke was going ham in the first 2 rounds then in the third he got hit with a mean roght and started tweaking. Stop comparing slapping pads to boxing with someone else and stop comparing 58 year old Mike with prime Mike . You could seeMike wasn't okay , he had a delayed reaction to punches and i was getting really worried for him because at a certain point he got punched hard and tried to swat Jake's hands away very late . On the pads Mike did things for seconds , in the match Mike got tired , got hit in the face , ect .
Sure did look as though Mike pulled back a few punches and didn't throw hardly anything when Jake was wide open a few times and zero uppercuts. The whole fight looked weird.
Or maybe his vertebrae no longer allow him to throw upper cuts anymore seeing as he's said he has many neck injuries due to that neck exercise he used to do and he had sciatica which caused him to pull out before.
@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 ok forget the uppercuts, evey punch from both guys looks so low energy and slow motion punches, it just looked so bad. Neither one was throwing any "hay makers" , not many punches thrown, hold backs visibly seen. Mike had severe injuries just few months ago, blood transfusions ect...he was in no shape for any contact sport like boxing imo. So, I can understand that there was some sort of agreement before the match. So many people were anticipating this fight and the show must go on. I can understand that. I don't have any hard feelings or whatever for Paul or Mike for IF the fight was rigged. Just sayin the fight didn't look like a real boxing match. Or, one most of us expected.
Wide open? What about the distance between them? How’s he supposed to close the distance with no legs? He’s old. If he punched then he’s punching air which is a no brainer don’t punch air and gas urself out. Use ur brain bro I’m sure ur intelligent. Also have to be aware when he punches from a distance if he misses he’s wide open to a counter because he can’t get his legs back under him
Imagine seriously thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance to beat Jake Paul. Jake Paul held back. The delusion and cope is unreal. (Mike Tyson was in bed for a week after just 30 seconds of punching)- The mirror. This article was also 4 years ago. Jake is 27 years old, 230 pounds in his prime who has trained seriously in boxing for at least 6 years maybe 8 with the best training money can buy. Mike is 58 years old, has several health problems, smokes, retired 20 years ago, has not trained seriously for years. Like guys you're blinded by your love for Mike and hate for Jake that you can't see the obvious. You don't want to accept the truth.
People who think he rigs his fight have no training and are couch potatoes. If dudes are absorbing shots you can’t rig that. One punch could put one’s lights out. You could bet on the fight. If it was rigged both fighters would lose any and all money they were going to make, them and the promotion would be sued and likely thrown in prison. There would be way too many people in on it for someone not to try and extort the situation for profits by threatening being a whistle blower, if all of his fights are rigged. It’s a coping mechanism for these people. It’s not common sense. Edit: before any dummies comment “they probably had to sign an NDA” NDAs don’t cover any illegal activities. Rigging a fight would be illegal meaning it would that NDA would not be valid.
It’s mad how all those critics who slagged Shaun are silent after the fight. Can’t wait got the Usyk v Fury coverage coming soon. Also we need Shaun at the Misfits Fury v Till fight. I’m sure he will make time to cover it. Shaun ain’t just a RUclipsr. He has a lovely family and business to run but if he can do it he will. He’s a good un 👍🥊🥋♿️❤️
@@StairwaySlammer basically they used his best sparring sessions also remember Mike did well on round 1 we don’t know how long his sparring sessions where
@@Bruce_Wayne841 idk I'm just saying...to me, its more believable that the contract stated Mike would be paid a certain amount unless he won, in which case he would get less
To all the slow people who think it was rigged… If he rigged fights, explain why tf he lost to Tommy Fury? You would think he would make sure to rig the fight with the only actual boxer he fought… but he lost i wonder why? oh because he doesn’t rig his fights.
Wtf does the Fury fight have to do with this "$60M+ fight"? Certain deniers are solely referring to the "Tyson-Paul" fight. I don't know any more than you do but you have to admit, it was a VERY strange fight to watch, to judge. It looked weird. Certainly not what anyone expected, from either fighter.
@@leoclement3801it looked weird because it was a elderly man vs a young man in a regulated fight. You really thought it was going to be some entertaining battle?
@@ryanhammonds919 explain the pulled punches? you cant. also tyson has his speed and power early then barely threw anything. tysons head movement looked good early on as well.
@@PCgamerChannel i agree but i am talking about my own personal opinion i would not want to fight a 40 year old. I respect Daniel and George but if you saw one of them fight someone younger and faster it would just be unfair and stupid.
That’s not true at all. Roy jones once stopped punching all together and yelled at the ref and told him to stop the fight. Fighters know when someone is taking unnecessary punishment and don’t wanna hurt them more. At the end of the day we are fighting for a bag not to permanently give someone brain damage for no reason. Not saying there’s no dirty fighters or guys that want to do that but the majority of them don’t want to do that
I’m saying Tyson held back and the fight looked weird because of it. Jake almost ran and turned his back early on. Anyways Jake is not a good fighter regardless if Tyson held back.
There is a thing called second guessing your next move. Boxing is like a game of chest.. if you go crazy and slip or make a mistake.. you can get ROCKED. Tyson has been knocked out before.. more then once in the past.. maybe being knocked out by Jake was Tyson's worst nightmare so he second guest himself or waited for JAke to make a mistake.. or you can just wait until the end and let the judges decide. You know its not like in boxing you MUST knock someone out to win.
I always said pads don't punch back. He looked good punching a stationary target but, Jake was moving around. Not to say there weren't advantages that Jake had. No uppercuts cut the sales from under Tyson. Because that is his go to counter punch.
Jake barely wins by running away from a 60 year old man wearing the biggest size gloves every time he went forward and then barely won by points and people go crazy. Mike was landing punches hard enough to knock the sweat off Jake's head but it's rigged and the gloves are just too big.
No one wants to acknowledge the knee brace?! ... Mike stumbling on the way to the ring?! .. imo, the most direct conclusion is Mike's leg was injured. In the fight, his legs were gone. This is an easy conclusion based on the evidence on that night.
His legs are injured from his spine being so messed the sciatica due to the dislodged vertebrae in his lower back and his upper spine being messed up too he has no support for his legs he's 60 of course this is what's gonna happen.
I think that anyone who believes Tyson could of finished Jake at any moment he wanted to either have no idea what they're watching or they're in denial. Can anyone honestly say that they were watching that thinking, dam Tyson looks really good in there? He could barley even walk ffs. Even my partner who never watches any fight sports could tell Tyson looked old and damaged. He was moving like he has some serious back issues. He even yelled in pain between rounds when they put the cold press on his face. I get that people don't like Jake Paul but come on.... I just can't wrap my mind around how anyone couldn't see that.
I had some 50 odd year old saying he could still beat me in a fight on Facebook because when the mike tyson vs Jake Paul fight was made, they was a post about it and I stated my opinion which was that Mike being 58 he's not going to be able to keep that fast pace for longer than 2 rounds, he's reaction speed wouldn't be as fast and alot of other things. I stated my martial arts background to add credibility to say that I understand how age can play a big factor in the ring with me watching people who had to pack it in because the age and damage they took over the years catches up in the end
@ComedyCapone just because his life is going better than yours ,maybe you should leave your keyboard and go get a life rather than sitting there being the spelling police lmao 🤣
He actually said is so annoying when someone doesn't bring the fight to you...well Logan real fighters will take the fight to them instead of waiting for them.
I was dumbfounded before the fight of all the people that said Tyson would destroy Paul... and I'm equally as dumbfouned by the same people saying it was fixed... It was just an old man fighting in really bad shape that put out videos of not actual fighting... If you know anything about boxing or sports, there's NO 58 year olds that are competitive in any way... and Mike was terrible his last 2 fights at the age of 38... And if you've seen Jake box, you would know that he's actually pretty good... My expectation for the fight was that Jake was going to bum rush him and the ref would call it... Well, Mike was in such bad condition that Jake pulled back, and now that looks like it's fixed... NAW, it's just two fighters that were extremely mismatched which made it look so fishy... but to me that's not fishy, I completely expected Tyson to look terrible, and he even looked worse... There's literally millions of people that thought Tyson was still the same Tyson... they didn't objectively handicap this fight based on age, recent history, or in Mike's case distant history of being a poor fighter 20 years ago... We've seen fake scripts before and people saying things are fake all the time... it's the same old shit... They can't fake a boxing match... and if they did they would make it better than okay round three stand in the center and do nothing, round 4 stand in the center and do nothing, round 5 stand in the center and do nothing etc... naw that's an old man... AN OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone in the boxing community was warning Jake not to hurt Mike so I'm pretty sure that was in his mind also. He would have been completely shunned by everyone.
And? What boxer listens to "Dont knock him out?" "Let me get into a ring and not do my job"? WTF? Who thinks that way. "You did what you were expected to do" ROCKY 3
Yeah but Mike lost multiple times before he retired. Why is everyone surprised that he doesn't resemble his prime form, when he wasn't even close to that form in his last few fights
alot of people including myself had unrealistic expectations that we were gonna see the old tyson fight but hes 58 so cant knock him was a good show for a exhibition
Respect for your opinion and take on this entire thing. I think it takes guts to question things and not just accept popular opinion. Even if i didnt agree with you i would respect you for doing this.
There’s literally evidence and clips of Tyson pulling back punches when the trajectory was clean and clear, you are giving too much credit to Jake and to this point it’s started to cross that feedback line to glazzinggg Shaun. These clips of Tyson pulling back are so easy to find that I’m surprised you Shaun didn’t cover them and chose the most bullshit conspiracy part of the argument instead of reviewing the actual evidence like when Jake told Mike “I got your money” after the fight, the pulling of the punches etc. I’m starting to doubt your criticism Shaun this is rather strange and biased
For somebody who understands fighting I also don’t get what he’s saying. if you watch the fight it’s clearly off. after teo rounds Mike suddenly changed his whole style all of a sudden. like with a button press. the fight didn’t look organic at all
@@UpSideMuzic I don't even watch fighting and knew right away it was rigged. Tyson has muscle memory and actual manuevers and strategies that he didn't even attempt to employ. There is no way you could do that badly as a professional boxer against a completely skillless youtube joker unless you were trying really hard to throw the fight.
You need to google George Foreman. The commentators mocked him and people mocked him and he won the world title past 40. IF you were so sure you would be a millionaire .. because you have millions who could have sworn Tyson was gonna win.
You know what would shut people up. Post the contract. Edit 7:24 Jake Paul is flat footed. Saying he has movement is like saying snoopdog joined faze at their prime or palworlds isn't just pokemon with guns. Purely wrong.
As much as people were saying this and that about the fight, it did look like a freight train versus a soda can in the beginning. I was so hype because his era was before my time and I'm into boxing. Do you breakdown cop stuff or are you waiting for next year?
I am with you, Shaun. I don't think the fight was rigged at all. Mike was dying a couple of months ago, he looked injured before the fight started and he's 58 years old! Was very sad to watch such an old legend like Tyson go out like that, but he seemed happy that he actually got to fight in front of a massive crowed, one last time.
Umm i would say if there was a clause where Mike couldn’t throw uppercuts then absolutely that could affect the outcome. Double uppercut then a left is his signature combo.
I subscribed to your channel because im a critical thinker and i like how you are tackling this entire fiasco, rumors of it being fixed, the so called proof etc ...
shaun do u reckon u would ever jump on one of these fight promotions eventually like on misifits or something like that as we are seeing lots of people who dont have the largest following for example but are able to fight on the misfits cards
People saying "You forget how old he is... Blah blah blah guy is old" as if it discredits people saying it's rigged... If anything it supports it! It's mutually beneficial for both fighters to pocket money and get hurt as little as possible. You can visibly see Mike going to strike and then catching himself or pulling punches. No muscle memory or instinct whatsoever and that doesn't just go away overnight even at bloody 60 - especially when you see it was perfectly in tact during training! The idea that Tyson being old is the sole culprit for this boring ass fight is moronic and the dumbest take. Who tf was funding and setting up the fight? Jake. Tyson was paid to lose and it's obvious. Yes, bro is old... But yes, he also didn't try.
🧠 I didn’t expect you to bring up Occam’s razor, good point though, my mates and I were calling it rigged before, but now, I think he’s just old, “I love you Mike” Yoel Romero
I think the 'issue' is what people could bet on. If Jake carried Mike then people who lost money on an intentional out come are bound to be pissed. Either it was an exibition or it wasn't....
I don't think it was necessarily a rigged fight but more of an exhibition style fight, sold to the public as an unrestricted sanctioned fight. One thing Jake could do to easily, is publicly release the sections in their contracts that pertains to the fight rules and put this all to bed. He's the one claiming boxing is rigged (which is fucking absurd to claim), so what's he got to lose by releasing the agreed fight rules section of their contracts.
if he wants to be a serious fighter then he should follow a serious boxer's path but he is in for the bucks. People need to support better/real boxer for this to stop.
There are several reasons you pull your punches, not just because a fix is in. The first round looked a little iffy but other than that who the hell knows. It shouldn't have happened anyway.
Shame on Tyson and Paul not them... how would they know it was gonna be fixed(if it was fixed)? You people need to point the finger at the 2 people who fixed the fight(if it was fixed).
That type of information would have leaked if it was fixed ..you can bet one of these 2 men or both would be murdered. That is how i know its not fixed..the mobb would get involved and do something about it. Why would the mobb allow 2 men to screw them over?
i dont think it was how good jake paul was. it was the fact that tyson is almost 60 and the only state they could fight in was texas cause the rest on the states its a 10 year age gap min.
Bro what.. who cares that Jake is more jacked and younger than Tyson. Boxing is about skill and muscle memory, not how big you are. It's like saying a young man in his 20s with no professional experience can beat an 80 year old grand master at chess because he's got a younger and sharper mind. That makes no sense. Mike Tyson has been in so many fights that it's muscle memory at this point, he would have to physically restrain himself to not knock JP out. Also if the fight really wasn't rigged then Mike Tyson would have been throwing far more punches in the later rounds when he knew that he would lose the fight otherwise. Instead he just played defense and didn't even try to make a comeback. Why would he just stand around and do nothing when he knew that he had to do something in order to win
comparing mental and physical strength is your first mistake 2nd one is thinking age doesn't play a matter in a fight thats stuff the average person should know also mike no longer has the strength to do what he could do back then muscle memory is no good if your body can't keep up
@@reset-jy2yu You morons are acting like he's friggin 80yrs old!!! 58 is not nearly as ancient as many of you seem to think it is. There are guys that age in far better shape than you regardless of what age you happen to be. Google Ron Ortiz Cross Fit
Thank you I’ve been saying I don’t think it was rigged and I was getting annoyed with the clips or Tyson “not throwing counters” when the counters weren’t even there And he’s 58 It’s still a completely bs fight and shouldn’t have happened Also Jake flexing his footwork is hilarious
It's the WWE of Boxing. If it's not rigged, why all the "SPECIAL RULES" that nobody knows what is in the contract. It's a fake fight to pull in money like every fight is. Why not pro boxing rules with only reduced time in rounds. They have special contracts.
@ special contracts doesn’t mean the fight was rigged yes they had different rules than a normal boxing match but the fight itself was not predetermined
Mikes leg looked fucked. He was actually winning after the first round or 2 though so he's still got it. Would have been more fair to do 3 rounds, he would've had a chance then
You are slow. 🤡🫵🏼 If it was rigged why tf did he lose to Tommy Fury? You would think he would make sure to rig the fight with the only young boxer he fought but he lost i wonder why? oh because he doesn’t rig his fights.
Mike is 58 years old who cares that Jake is better than a 58 year old Mike. Get over it. The delusion and cope is actually pathetic. Jake Paul held back. Imagine serioiusly thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance of beating Jake.
Yer headset cable is about to fall off lad! Time for a new headset? :P Put a wee bit of Insulation tape on that! You nailed it Shaun ...This was not a boxing match, this was a "spectacle" money maker!
I'm only frustrated with the fact that jake keeps using easy opponents to be a "good fighter". He fought a boxer & lost, i really don't understand how anyone is still paying attention to him, granted little amount of time he's tried the sport & gotten to where he is in terms of skill is great but doesn't mean anything if he can't beat a boxer his own age or around that area.
Whether it was rigged or not, at least now we've hopefully learned a lesson to stop fixing these stupid fights with unprofessional and/or retired boxers. I for one would prefer to see boxing return to focus only on real professional fights and feel that this is a better way to respect the sport, no more novelty fights please.. 🙏
If the clause of the longer the fight goes on the more they both get paid then yes it’s rigged. Any person with half a brain would avoid a knock out to get the money which means the fight is bs.
Shaun, some commenters say good things. It might help you and them to give them a little attention in your videos. Who are the intelligent commentors who make good points and give you something to think about?
Honestly i thought that every punch from Mike was polished and ready to deal damage and jake paul won with a reach advantage against an old man. It was rigged when Jake Paul fought an old man instead of someone his own age. But i already had netflix so i watched it.
Why is there no proof of jake staging any fights in 5 years he’s been fighting? you realize somebody would’ve leaked something right now right? why did he not rig the fight with the only young boxer he’s fought?
@mycrazylife408 there has been rumors of leakes about the contract with Jake and Mike. Basically saying Mike doesn't get fully paid if he KOs Jake. Also, Jake makes his own contracts and hides behind them. Which is why he never fights under professional commissions.
you starting to think that its rigged, but without a doubt there are additional rules against mike in this fight that arent normal for any pro boxing match and kids just starting to think its rigged? you see the fault in that logic yet shaun? an obvious rig is not a secret, just something oblivious people ignore.
Why is no one asking asking Jake if he would beat Mike tyson in his prime? I truly believe Jake is so delusional that he thinks he would beat Mike tyson in his prime.
i dont care if someone has a different opinion than me and if they think theres is better, but give me your own argument on why your opinion is better without using what everyone else says, jon jones fans are just as bad as jake paul haters for it
With a brother like that, you dont need any enemies.
Right?? I'm not even a fan of jake's but logans hate for him makes me want to defend him lol. I remember when they were both little teens and logan was the big name. Hes just pissed that jake overtook him and now he's just a podcast with a sports drink...
Probably the only person in Jake’s life who is honest with him and not a mindless yes man and you can say the same the other way as well.
He makes Jake likeable !
Logan purposely knocked jakes cap off as he was announced the winner of the fight. He is an awful brother, just tries to knock him down. But jake is an AH anyway so i dunno how to feel about this
@@sergiosperspective i hate logan but he has more money than Jake
Imagine telling an old man to not throw hands.
for 20+ MILLION... Anyone would do less
Y’all need to stop Mike was old it wasn’t rigged he was old
@@braydenjackson4761yeah but look at hus fight with Roy Jones Jr. How long ago was that 3 or 4 years ago ?? Totally different guy tho.
@@DaSofaSurfer Mike was in the hospital nearly dying with blood transfusions a couple months ago that’s why the fight was pushed off. It’s not rigged Mike just aged I mean for gosh sake dude was halfway limping on his walk out to the ring. It was a shameful match that shouldn’t have happened. It’s not rigged just shouldn’t have happened
Imagine seriously thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance to beat Jake Paul. Jake Paul held back. The delusion and cope is unreal.
(Mike Tyson was in bed for a week after just 30 seconds of punching)- The mirror. This article was also 4 years ago.
Jake is 27 years old, 230 pounds in his prime who has trained seriously in boxing for at least 6 years maybe 8 with the best training money can buy. Mike is 58 years old, has several health problems, smokes, retired 20 years ago, has not trained seriously for years.
Like guys you're blinded by your love for Mike and hate for Jake that you can't see the obvious. You don't want to accept the truth.
Jake paul gay. Fought one boxer his age who isnt good and he lost. Clown world
you’d be shocked to hear how many boxers pad their records with washed journeymen
@@sidsupreme8179 and how many of them are getting top dollar? It’s not the same stop it.
Every single boxer fights journeymen for at least first 10 fights. Jake fought August who I'm sure was a 3 time golden glove champion in the amateurs so was 100000% a boxer. If you look at the calibre he's fought compared to even the likes of Fury and AJ his first ten fights aren't anything out the ordinary. He'd fight genuine fighters. Even if they are MMA fighters they have a lot more fight in them than a lot of people give credit for. Anderson Silva for example he beat Julio Cesar Chaves Jr. That isn't a joke fighter mate. Regardless of age.
@@abemartinez9623 ill give u one Tank
@@Purple_aki_in_a_tracky perfectly said my friend
anyone who is screaming rigged has somehow forgotten IT WAS A 58 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHTING A GUY MORE THAN HALF HIS AGE!!!! There is a reason the fight was in Texas, and its because its the only state where there isnt a limit on the age difference that two fighters can be. If the whole of the boxing world can acknowledge age makes a difference except for one body, then you are probably wrong. Father time comes for everyone, no one can escape.
you can see videos of tyson pulling punches. get a clue.
My man, your headphone wire is holding on for DEAR LIFE! Almost time to get new ones lol (insert dead emoji here) good video Shaun, keep up the great work brother.
My man typed “insert dead emoji here” 🤣🤣 My guy just insert one yourself. Woulda been easier than typing that sentence 🤣🤣💀💀💀
@@DDaltonn 💀
duct tape
@@DDaltonni think he despises the emoji haha
@@aquacleaning4994but if he despises it why use it? There are other emojis that can portray the same emotions or reactions, if he hates it so much, he is still now partaking in that emojis use but just in the CRINGIEST way possible. Zzzz
Don't need to like Jake to understand that people commenting and posting videos of Mike on pads against the fight are clearly chatting complete waffle
I like how people who think this fight is rigged just watched one clip on tiktok
I love how you comment about yourself, cause if YOU SEEN the fight, your comment doesn’t make any sense. it was clearly a friendly match style boxing. like Zidane 11 vs. Ronaldo 11 or some ishg
@UpSideMuzic lol no Minke was going ham in the first 2 rounds then in the third he got hit with a mean roght and started tweaking. Stop comparing slapping pads to boxing with someone else and stop comparing 58 year old Mike with prime Mike . You could seeMike wasn't okay , he had a delayed reaction to punches and i was getting really worried for him because at a certain point he got punched hard and tried to swat Jake's hands away very late . On the pads Mike did things for seconds , in the match Mike got tired , got hit in the face , ect .
There was one where Jake was completely open and Tyson completely changed the trajectory of the punch. That makes absolutely no sense.
He change the trajectory mid punch?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sure did look as though Mike pulled back a few punches and didn't throw hardly anything when Jake was wide open a few times and zero uppercuts. The whole fight looked weird.
Or maybe his vertebrae no longer allow him to throw upper cuts anymore seeing as he's said he has many neck injuries due to that neck exercise he used to do and he had sciatica which caused him to pull out before.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848he was throwing them in training
@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 ok forget the uppercuts, evey punch from both guys looks so low energy and slow motion punches, it just looked so bad. Neither one was throwing any "hay makers" , not many punches thrown, hold backs visibly seen.
Mike had severe injuries just few months ago, blood transfusions ect...he was in no shape for any contact sport like boxing imo.
So, I can understand that there was some sort of agreement before the match. So many people were anticipating this fight and the show must go on. I can understand that. I don't have any hard feelings or whatever for Paul or Mike for IF the fight was rigged.
Just sayin the fight didn't look like a real boxing match. Or, one most of us expected.
Yea that’s because Mike could hardly even walk. He was stumbling to the press conferences and to the ring walking like a penguin.
Wide open? What about the distance between them? How’s he supposed to close the distance with no legs? He’s old. If he punched then he’s punching air which is a no brainer don’t punch air and gas urself out. Use ur brain bro I’m sure ur intelligent. Also have to be aware when he punches from a distance if he misses he’s wide open to a counter because he can’t get his legs back under him
Imagine seriously thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance to beat Jake Paul. Jake Paul held back. The delusion and cope is unreal.
(Mike Tyson was in bed for a week after just 30 seconds of punching)- The mirror. This article was also 4 years ago.
Jake is 27 years old, 230 pounds in his prime who has trained seriously in boxing for at least 6 years maybe 8 with the best training money can buy. Mike is 58 years old, has several health problems, smokes, retired 20 years ago, has not trained seriously for years.
Like guys you're blinded by your love for Mike and hate for Jake that you can't see the obvious. You don't want to accept the truth.
They have ent pro wrestling syndrome.. they have this fairy tale thing going on in the brain.. logic goes out the window.
People who think he rigs his fight have no training and are couch potatoes.
If dudes are absorbing shots you can’t rig that. One punch could put one’s lights out.
You could bet on the fight. If it was rigged both fighters would lose any and all money they were going to make, them and the promotion would be sued and likely thrown in prison.
There would be way too many people in on it for someone not to try and extort the situation for profits by threatening being a whistle blower, if all of his fights are rigged.
It’s a coping mechanism for these people. It’s not common sense.
Edit: before any dummies comment “they probably had to sign an NDA” NDAs don’t cover any illegal activities. Rigging a fight would be illegal meaning it would that NDA would not be valid.
It’s mad how all those critics who slagged Shaun are silent after the fight. Can’t wait got the Usyk v Fury coverage coming soon. Also we need Shaun at the Misfits Fury v Till fight. I’m sure he will make time to cover it. Shaun ain’t just a RUclipsr. He has a lovely family and business to run but if he can do it he will. He’s a good un 👍🥊🥋♿️❤️
Nah them idiots are still here calling it rigged.
Well Mike look a lot better in Sparring than the actual fight. And explain why Mike Tyson kept on pulling his punches? That just seem Sus
ill explain easily edited shots most of mike tysons sparring and training footage was edited
@@Bruce_Wayne841 so you're saying his sparring sessions last a couple mins and they just used that footage? Lol yeah, that's more believable
@@StairwaySlammer basically they used his best sparring sessions also remember Mike did well on round 1 we don’t know how long his sparring sessions where
@@Bruce_Wayne841 idk I'm just saying...to me, its more believable that the contract stated Mike would be paid a certain amount unless he won, in which case he would get less
@@StairwaySlammerno. Mike is 60. Like are people all there? Mike posted 1 minute videos
To all the slow people who think it was rigged… If he rigged fights, explain why tf he lost to Tommy Fury? You would think he would make sure to rig the fight with the only actual boxer he fought… but he lost i wonder why? oh because he doesn’t rig his fights.
Wtf does the Fury fight have to do with this "$60M+ fight"?
Certain deniers are solely referring to the "Tyson-Paul" fight.
I don't know any more than you do but you have to admit, it was a VERY strange fight to watch, to judge. It looked weird. Certainly not what anyone expected, from either fighter.
@@leoclement3801it looked weird because it was a elderly man vs a young man in a regulated fight. You really thought it was going to be some entertaining battle?
LMAO watch the fight he won with a KO. against the black boxer. if you don’t notice anything, you don’t know the sport
whats hilarious is people who dont think sports are rigged. people who cant understand that a lot of money is being generated here. naive clowns
@@ryanhammonds919 explain the pulled punches? you cant. also tyson has his speed and power early then barely threw anything. tysons head movement looked good early on as well.
as a amateur boxer i can say that fight was terrible, i am 16 and when im older i really dont want to fight people over the age of 40
Daniel cormier was heavy weight champion at 42 years old george foreman also won the belt at 45 cant put limits on anything.
People are different in specific age. Is about lifestyle rather than what age they are in
@@PCgamerChannel i agree but i am talking about my own personal opinion i would not want to fight a 40 year old. I respect Daniel and George but if you saw one of them fight someone younger and faster it would just be unfair and stupid.
This young man is just being Respectful to boxers and making his opinion on 40 year old and older@@PCgamerChannel
Im pretty sure you or any person in your boxing gym can beat that fake wannabe boxer.
If there was ANY "holding back powerful hits" in the contract, it's a fixed fight.
That’s not true at all. Roy jones once stopped punching all together and yelled at the ref and told him to stop the fight. Fighters know when someone is taking unnecessary punishment and don’t wanna hurt them more. At the end of the day we are fighting for a bag not to permanently give someone brain damage for no reason. Not saying there’s no dirty fighters or guys that want to do that but the majority of them don’t want to do that
100 percent rigged. Read the contract. A RUclipsr pranked millions and they still can’t admit to it. 😅
I’m saying Tyson held back and the fight looked weird because of it. Jake almost ran and turned his back early on. Anyways Jake is not a good fighter regardless if Tyson held back.
There is a thing called second guessing your next move. Boxing is like a game of chest.. if you go crazy and slip or make a mistake.. you can get ROCKED. Tyson has been knocked out before.. more then once in the past.. maybe being knocked out by Jake was Tyson's worst nightmare so he second guest himself or waited for JAke to make a mistake.. or you can just wait until the end and let the judges decide. You know its not like in boxing you MUST knock someone out to win.
I always said pads don't punch back. He looked good punching a stationary target but, Jake was moving around. Not to say there weren't advantages that Jake had. No uppercuts cut the sales from under Tyson. Because that is his go to counter punch.
Jake barely wins by running away from a 60 year old man wearing the biggest size gloves every time he went forward and then barely won by points and people go crazy. Mike was landing punches hard enough to knock the sweat off Jake's head but it's rigged and the gloves are just too big.
@@Aspect333-w9oboxing casual spotted
No one wants to acknowledge the knee brace?! ... Mike stumbling on the way to the ring?!
.. imo, the most direct conclusion is Mike's leg was injured. In the fight, his legs were gone. This is an easy conclusion based on the evidence on that night.
His legs are injured from his spine being so messed the sciatica due to the dislodged vertebrae in his lower back and his upper spine being messed up too he has no support for his legs he's 60 of course this is what's gonna happen.
And then the ulcer that nearly killed him 2 months earlier.
Been a subscriber for a while but haven’t seen any of your videos lately FairPlay bro you put loads of weight on looking a lot healthier
Next tyson will do a crypto coin rug pull
He couldn’t knock Tyson out even if he wanted to, if he could, the fight is rigged then, you can’t have it both ways
Bro… Jake pulled his punches after he caught Mike with the first few SOLID shots. He felt bad and coasted til the end
@@Nick_Tank He’s a bum. Those brothers are pieces of trash , they don’t feel bad for anyone
@@Nick_Tankpulling your punches ain’t a sign of a rigged fight? So you’re saying it’s rigged
@@RubySigmal He didn't want to knock Mike Tyson out because he knows that's an old man who stands no chance.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848nah he just couldn’t because he’s a trash boxer
I think that anyone who believes Tyson could of finished Jake at any moment he wanted to either have no idea what they're watching or they're in denial. Can anyone honestly say that they were watching that thinking, dam Tyson looks really good in there? He could barley even walk ffs. Even my partner who never watches any fight sports could tell Tyson looked old and damaged. He was moving like he has some serious back issues. He even yelled in pain between rounds when they put the cold press on his face. I get that people don't like Jake Paul but come on.... I just can't wrap my mind around how anyone couldn't see that.
I had some 50 odd year old saying he could still beat me in a fight on Facebook because when the mike tyson vs Jake Paul fight was made, they was a post about it and I stated my opinion which was that Mike being 58 he's not going to be able to keep that fast pace for longer than 2 rounds, he's reaction speed wouldn't be as fast and alot of other things. I stated my martial arts background to add credibility to say that I understand how age can play a big factor in the ring with me watching people who had to pack it in because the age and damage they took over the years catches up in the end
Congrats on the "kid on the way" Shaun! I myself am expection twin girls. Good luck bro
I have twin boys good luck lol 😂
@Sketch2805Studios yh, imma need it lol
Yikes, public school failed you sir.
@ComedyCapone you out here grammar policing youtube comment sections..? Yh, I think private school failed you mate.
@ComedyCapone just because his life is going better than yours ,maybe you should leave your keyboard and go get a life rather than sitting there being the spelling police lmao 🤣
He actually said is so annoying when someone doesn't bring the fight to you...well Logan real fighters will take the fight to them instead of waiting for them.
Not always.. boxing is a chest game. IT is true that he said that but both were playing that game. Nobody wanted to get knocked out.
I like how ur not biased at all and u just speak abt things as they r
" everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face "
Mike Tyson
Ronda Rousey looked decent on the pads but it did not translate in her fights.
Oh Please .. .she won many fights too. She did face KILLERS.. you cant be the best forever.
I was dumbfounded before the fight of all the people that said Tyson would destroy Paul... and I'm equally as dumbfouned by the same people saying it was fixed... It was just an old man fighting in really bad shape that put out videos of not actual fighting... If you know anything about boxing or sports, there's NO 58 year olds that are competitive in any way... and Mike was terrible his last 2 fights at the age of 38... And if you've seen Jake box, you would know that he's actually pretty good... My expectation for the fight was that Jake was going to bum rush him and the ref would call it... Well, Mike was in such bad condition that Jake pulled back, and now that looks like it's fixed... NAW, it's just two fighters that were extremely mismatched which made it look so fishy... but to me that's not fishy, I completely expected Tyson to look terrible, and he even looked worse... There's literally millions of people that thought Tyson was still the same Tyson... they didn't objectively handicap this fight based on age, recent history, or in Mike's case distant history of being a poor fighter 20 years ago... We've seen fake scripts before and people saying things are fake all the time... it's the same old shit... They can't fake a boxing match... and if they did they would make it better than okay round three stand in the center and do nothing, round 4 stand in the center and do nothing, round 5 stand in the center and do nothing etc... naw that's an old man... AN OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know any more than you do but, are you actually saying that no match was ever fixed, ever?
Everyone in the boxing community was warning Jake not to hurt Mike so I'm pretty sure that was in his mind also. He would have been completely shunned by everyone.
And? What boxer listens to "Dont knock him out?" "Let me get into a ring and not do my job"? WTF? Who thinks that way. "You did what you were expected to do" ROCKY 3
Imagine if everyone cared what the boxing community thought.. boxing would no longer exist.
Time beats everyone including the baddest man on the planet.
Yeah but Mike lost multiple times before he retired. Why is everyone surprised that he doesn't resemble his prime form, when he wasn't even close to that form in his last few fights
alot of people including myself had unrealistic expectations that we were gonna see the old tyson fight but hes 58 so cant knock him was a good show for a exhibition
12:16 congratulations
Respect for your opinion and take on this entire thing. I think it takes guts to question things and not just accept popular opinion. Even if i didnt agree with you i would respect you for doing this.
0:27 I’m sorry, but Mike Tyson had a wonderful opportunity
There’s literally evidence and clips of Tyson pulling back punches when the trajectory was clean and clear, you are giving too much credit to Jake and to this point it’s started to cross that feedback line to glazzinggg Shaun. These clips of Tyson pulling back are so easy to find that I’m surprised you Shaun didn’t cover them and chose the most bullshit conspiracy part of the argument instead of reviewing the actual evidence like when Jake told Mike “I got your money” after the fight, the pulling of the punches etc. I’m starting to doubt your criticism Shaun this is rather strange and biased
I was thinking this exact same thing! I've seen those clips and it looks sus. Weird he didn't commented on those
For somebody who understands fighting I also don’t get what he’s saying. if you watch the fight it’s clearly off. after teo rounds Mike suddenly changed his whole style all of a sudden. like with a button press. the fight didn’t look organic at all
@@UpSideMuzic I don't even watch fighting and knew right away it was rigged. Tyson has muscle memory and actual manuevers and strategies that he didn't even attempt to employ. There is no way you could do that badly as a professional boxer against a completely skillless youtube joker unless you were trying really hard to throw the fight.
exactly. it was a glorfied hard sparring session. not a serious fight.
@Black-Circle yeah and he is giving way too much credit to Jake when in reality, Jake isn't an amazing boxer like this guy is saying on his video
There’s always conspiracy theories after every fight he has
🤦🏻♂️ it’s a 27yo fighting a 60yo! Which ever way you look at it, it’s rigged!!!
People are delusional to believe old man Mike had a chance 😂
You need to google George Foreman. The commentators mocked him and people mocked him and he won the world title past 40. IF you were so sure you would be a millionaire .. because you have millions who could have sworn Tyson was gonna win.
To me that begs the question...why the hell didn't you profit then? ITs easy to talk like that now that the fight is over.
I agree as Tyson says people got a plan untill they get punched in the face.
When Jake said it's rigged he was talking about judges being wined and dined by promoters
Plus he said that years ago.. maybe he found out it wasnt as rigged as he thought and he respects the sport even more now.
You know what would shut people up. Post the contract.
Edit 7:24 Jake Paul is flat footed. Saying he has movement is like saying snoopdog joined faze at their prime or palworlds isn't just pokemon with guns. Purely wrong.
As much as people were saying this and that about the fight, it did look like a freight train versus a soda can in the beginning. I was so hype because his era was before my time and I'm into boxing. Do you breakdown cop stuff or are you waiting for next year?
I am with you, Shaun. I don't think the fight was rigged at all. Mike was dying a couple of months ago, he looked injured before the fight started and he's 58 years old! Was very sad to watch such an old legend like Tyson go out like that, but he seemed happy that he actually got to fight in front of a massive crowed, one last time.
Umm i would say if there was a clause where Mike couldn’t throw uppercuts then absolutely that could affect the outcome. Double uppercut then a left is his signature combo.
I subscribed to your channel because im a critical thinker and i like how you are tackling this entire fiasco, rumors of it being fixed, the so called proof etc ...
shaun do u reckon u would ever jump on one of these fight promotions eventually like on misifits or something like that as we are seeing lots of people who dont have the largest following for example but are able to fight on the misfits cards
People saying "You forget how old he is... Blah blah blah guy is old" as if it discredits people saying it's rigged... If anything it supports it! It's mutually beneficial for both fighters to pocket money and get hurt as little as possible. You can visibly see Mike going to strike and then catching himself or pulling punches. No muscle memory or instinct whatsoever and that doesn't just go away overnight even at bloody 60 - especially when you see it was perfectly in tact during training! The idea that Tyson being old is the sole culprit for this boring ass fight is moronic and the dumbest take. Who tf was funding and setting up the fight? Jake. Tyson was paid to lose and it's obvious. Yes, bro is old... But yes, he also didn't try.
So that's the real reason for making it shorter rounds because they had " legally" bribed tyson to go the distance with that b.s clause
🧠 I didn’t expect you to bring up Occam’s razor, good point though, my mates and I were calling it rigged before, but now, I think he’s just old, “I love you Mike” Yoel Romero
I think the 'issue' is what people could bet on. If Jake carried Mike then people who lost money on an intentional out come are bound to be pissed. Either it was an exibition or it wasn't....
either way your opinion means as much as the guys on tik tok so y’all should just get along.
I might not comment all the time but I do always watch. I just want to say Big Congratulations with the new baby on the way ❤
I don't think it was necessarily a rigged fight but more of an exhibition style fight, sold to the public as an unrestricted sanctioned fight. One thing Jake could do to easily, is publicly release the sections in their contracts that pertains to the fight rules and put this all to bed. He's the one claiming boxing is rigged (which is fucking absurd to claim), so what's he got to lose by releasing the agreed fight rules section of their contracts.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Why is he wearing his headset like that?? Is he trying to not mess up his hair lol
if he wants to be a serious fighter then he should follow a serious boxer's path but he is in for the bucks.
People need to support better/real boxer for this to stop.
Hearth was with Mike,brain was with Jake
It’s always the smallest people that talk about their own greatness. Jake looks older than Tyson
looks dont matter in a fight lad...its boxing not modelling.
There are several reasons you pull your punches, not just because a fix is in. The first round looked a little iffy but other than that who the hell knows. It shouldn't have happened anyway.
Good video shaun .
Shame on the betting sights for taking bets on this fixed fight
Shame on Tyson and Paul not them... how would they know it was gonna be fixed(if it was fixed)? You people need to point the finger at the 2 people who fixed the fight(if it was fixed).
That type of information would have leaked if it was fixed ..you can bet one of these 2 men or both would be murdered. That is how i know its not fixed..the mobb would get involved and do something about it. Why would the mobb allow 2 men to screw them over?
Shaun give your predictions for the Misfits 019 PPV!!!
i dont think it was how good jake paul was. it was the fact that tyson is almost 60 and the only state they could fight in was texas cause the rest on the states its a 10 year age gap min.
Bro what.. who cares that Jake is more jacked and younger than Tyson. Boxing is about skill and muscle memory, not how big you are. It's like saying a young man in his 20s with no professional experience can beat an 80 year old grand master at chess because he's got a younger and sharper mind. That makes no sense. Mike Tyson has been in so many fights that it's muscle memory at this point, he would have to physically restrain himself to not knock JP out.
Also if the fight really wasn't rigged then Mike Tyson would have been throwing far more punches in the later rounds when he knew that he would lose the fight otherwise. Instead he just played defense and didn't even try to make a comeback. Why would he just stand around and do nothing when he knew that he had to do something in order to win
comparing mental and physical strength is your first mistake 2nd one is thinking age doesn't play a matter in a fight thats stuff the average person should know also mike no longer has the strength to do what he could do back then muscle memory is no good if your body can't keep up
@@reset-jy2yu You morons are acting like he's friggin 80yrs old!!! 58 is not nearly as ancient as many of you seem to think it is. There are guys that age in far better shape than you regardless of what age you happen to be. Google Ron Ortiz Cross Fit
Thank you I’ve been saying I don’t think it was rigged and I was getting annoyed with the clips or Tyson “not throwing counters” when the counters weren’t even there
And he’s 58
It’s still a completely bs fight and shouldn’t have happened
Also Jake flexing his footwork is hilarious
You can’t be that naive ..
@@Hhhlll7778you can’t be that gullible 🤦♂️
It’s just human biology, whether you like it or not we all get old
It's the WWE of Boxing. If it's not rigged, why all the "SPECIAL RULES" that nobody knows what is in the contract. It's a fake fight to pull in money like every fight is. Why not pro boxing rules with only reduced time in rounds. They have special contracts.
@ special contracts doesn’t mean the fight was rigged yes they had different rules than a normal boxing match but the fight itself was not predetermined
Rigged
Mikes leg looked fucked. He was actually winning after the first round or 2 though so he's still got it. Would have been more fair to do 3 rounds, he would've had a chance then
Tyson would still beat Jake to death at 65 , fight was CLEARLY rigged
You are slow. 🤡🫵🏼 If it was rigged why tf did he lose to Tommy Fury? You would think he would make sure to rig the fight with the only young boxer he fought but he lost i wonder why? oh because he doesn’t rig his fights.
Mike is 58 years old who cares that Jake is better than a 58 year old Mike. Get over it. The delusion and cope is actually pathetic.
Jake Paul held back. Imagine serioiusly thinking 58 year old Mike had any chance of beating Jake.
Lol to you bro 😂
Maybe in a street fight or a fight that didn’t have sanctioned rules
Want to know if the fight was rigged? Look at his Mike's fight against Roy Jones and then look at this one.
I’m not a Jake Paul fan but the most he does in way of rigging fights is picking matches he knows he’s going to win.
We all saw the fight. A 58 year old vs a 27 year old. Not rigged, just went exactly as I expected.
Yer headset cable is about to fall off lad! Time for a new headset? :P Put a wee bit of Insulation tape on that!
You nailed it Shaun ...This was not a boxing match, this was a "spectacle" money maker!
I'm only frustrated with the fact that jake keeps using easy opponents to be a "good fighter". He fought a boxer & lost, i really don't understand how anyone is still paying attention to him, granted little amount of time he's tried the sport & gotten to where he is in terms of skill is great but doesn't mean anything if he can't beat a boxer his own age or around that area.
Mike knockout Mike knockout Tyson...?
Whether it was rigged or not, at least now we've hopefully learned a lesson to stop fixing these stupid fights with unprofessional and/or retired boxers. I for one would prefer to see boxing return to focus only on real professional fights and feel that this is a better way to respect the sport, no more novelty fights please.. 🙏
If the clause of the longer the fight goes on the more they both get paid then yes it’s rigged. Any person with half a brain would avoid a knock out to get the money which means the fight is bs.
Shaun, some commenters say good things. It might help you and them to give them a little attention in your videos.
Who are the intelligent commentors who make good points and give you something to think about?
They scam...full stop.. your mentally challenged to think they would do anything legit
It was rigged, dude. Stop making excuses.
Honestly i thought that every punch from Mike was polished and ready to deal damage and jake paul won with a reach advantage against an old man. It was rigged when Jake Paul fought an old man instead of someone his own age. But i already had netflix so i watched it.
They are hating because Jake isnt fighting anyone of value. Its been long enough. Cant they disappear already
Good vid as per, any video of Ryan Garcia’s exhibition fight upcoming?
idk what i would look like hitting the pads but i look good shadow boxing and suck in sparring
dude put some black electrical tape on the headphone wire where needed xD
To be honest I kinda don’t care if it was or wasn’t I don’t think it was . But the fight was boring so I don’t really care
Jake asks what we what. We wanted to see the same intensity as the Serrano fight. CO MAIN EVENT
If youre smart and you knew that Mike and jake are both business partners and it was for the $$$... fight to go the distance @$2.50 was the play.
Adding to this, explains Jake making big bets to everyone on the card that he’d win.
Exactly.
Exactly
Why is there no proof of jake staging any fights in 5 years he’s been fighting? you realize somebody would’ve leaked something right now right? why did he not rig the fight with the only young boxer he’s fought?
@mycrazylife408 there has been rumors of leakes about the contract with Jake and Mike.
Basically saying Mike doesn't get fully paid if he KOs Jake.
Also, Jake makes his own contracts and hides behind them.
Which is why he never fights under professional commissions.
I think mike was too high during the fight, if he was less high he probably could’ve done a bit better
All I’m saying is that was not the Tyson we saw killing it in the training videos.
No kidding .. you mean the punching bag didn't fight back? You sure?
Jake is a joke can't believe he got fans famous for being nobody 😂
Laughable. The fight was defo 'arranged' one way or another in Paul's favour. 58 or not Tyson held. The power of money
you starting to think that its rigged, but without a doubt there are additional rules against mike in this fight that arent normal for any pro boxing match and kids just starting to think its rigged? you see the fault in that logic yet shaun? an obvious rig is not a secret, just something oblivious people ignore.
Why is no one asking asking Jake if he would beat Mike tyson in his prime? I truly believe Jake is so delusional that he thinks he would beat Mike tyson in his prime.
i dont care if someone has a different opinion than me and if they think theres is better, but give me your own argument on why your opinion is better without using what everyone else says, jon jones fans are just as bad as jake paul haters for it
One thing that we know is true. Jake has a big ass head. He can take a shot.
The paul brothers peeked in middle school
what about that CLIP of mike just deciding not to strike... i know context. but weird you didn't "highlight" it. or feature it early on. anyway.
Eddie Griffin put the script out there. It was fixed.
apparently there is a script on twitter
Is Shaun the only bloke who thinks this fight between Paul and Tyson 'wasnt' rigged?