Honor Magic 6 Pro vs. S24 Ultra: The ULTIMATE Camera Battle!

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024

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  • @lanakias1
    @lanakias1 8 месяцев назад +43

    I can not believe some serious person chose s24 over honor which has better camera, battery, display, audio and pay much more money. Honor is far away and we should be grateful atm for their quality and the cheaper price. Great video. Thx

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +4

      Yes! It's a great phone with a competitive price. Thank you for commenting!

    • @perroelectrocutadovalencia3268
      @perroelectrocutadovalencia3268 7 месяцев назад +1

      S24 si better 😮

    • @cbgaming08
      @cbgaming08 7 месяцев назад +5

      samsung fanboys fr fr

    • @cbgaming08
      @cbgaming08 7 месяцев назад +3

      They hate reality 😂

    • @Minecraftrok999
      @Minecraftrok999 6 месяцев назад

      @@perroelectrocutadovalencia3268
      If you mean AI then both phones have are just boring gimmicks.
      Im doing my masters in Data Science and AI and let me tell you, the real fun stuff will come in the future. Right now phone companies use it as a marketing buzzword, nothing more.

  • @AlejandroElMagno-o6y
    @AlejandroElMagno-o6y 3 месяца назад +6

    You're clearly prejudiced against Honor because in many cases Honor wins and you give it to Samsung! I only can think of one reason for this

  • @jwan_1193
    @jwan_1193 8 месяцев назад +6

    Super Vergleich!
    Unfortunstely still waiting for my 6 pro from MediaMarkt for over a week now

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thats bad! I think I read you post on Android-Hilfe. Is that possible? Or was it Reddit? I forgot. Fingers crossed that you will receive it asap!

  • @danielchristiansen3081
    @danielchristiansen3081 8 месяцев назад +8

    Great to see a RUclipsr doing some of the other phones, really tired of iPhone vs Samsung vs Pixel. You should do the Honor Magic 5 Pro vs the 6 Pro and see the differences ... I know many people would appreciate that !
    Nice one mate

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you! With the constantly expanding selection of premium camera phones, comparing them makes perfect sense!

  • @thesnowmanMHH
    @thesnowmanMHH 8 месяцев назад +3

    Great review and thank you for actually doing an in-depth comparison. I feel like more time could be spent on pro mode comparisons for manual focus in recording video and raw captures as the s22/3/4 ultra has such a great system. I am actually keen to switch from my s22u to the magic 6 pro so would love to see this tested. Also one of the biggest problems with the s22/3/4u is capturing fast moving subjects. Even after the camera assistant and intelligence options the Samsung still struggles. Would be interesting to see the magic 6 pro motionsense as it produces full resolution images.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Shutter lag is indeed an issue, especially noticeable when photographing my little one. Thanks for the comment about pro mode. I've been thinking of trying to capture the best possible photos with the phones tested in future videos, considering every flagship offers some kind of pro mode for comparison.

  • @jurica76
    @jurica76 8 месяцев назад +7

    Hi Marc!
    Thank you for your great work. Thanks to videos like yours, I've just ordered Honor Magic 6 pro. Could you please tell me how would you compare it to S24 Ultra in terms of just daily usage and what is your main reason for searching other phone over S24 Ultra?

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +6

      Thank you!
      I had to main reasons: 1.) In contrast to most reviews I wasnt quite happy with the image quality and found that the processing of the S24 Ultra is sometimes to harsh. 2.) I also wasn't really happy with battery life (also in contrast to most reviews). Battery life is substantially better on the Honor.
      Last but not least I wanted to test the Honor also for the channel :D

    • @jurica76
      @jurica76 8 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you for the answer!
      You are doin' great job on your youtube channel!!!

  • @matrixon25
    @matrixon25 2 месяца назад +2

    I have the Honor Magic 6 Pro, and im very happy with it ! its better now after this time !

  • @wboy30
    @wboy30 8 месяцев назад +2

    Gran video...como siempre 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot!

  • @hamada100200100
    @hamada100200100 8 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing job man keep up💪💛 big love from 🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿😎

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks a lot! Appreciate you comments and support!

    • @melihguzel17
      @melihguzel17 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@JMTMarc😮

  • @yfcvtiybr
    @yfcvtiybr 8 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for your review! Really helpful.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot! Much appreciated!

  • @MehruPoppins
    @MehruPoppins 21 день назад

    best comparison video of these 2

  • @marcelontech
    @marcelontech 8 месяцев назад +1

    Nice comparison video buddy. I ahve been wathing your work and you are smashing it well done. To me the Magic 6 pro seems better almost everytime. I am testing out the 6 pro too at the moent and the camera really impresses especially the front facing camera.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +2

      It's a fantastic phone, yes! I also prefer it over the S24 Ultra. Even when using camera assistant and toning done the sharpening, sometimes images turn out quite unnatural.

    • @marcelontech
      @marcelontech 8 месяцев назад

      @@JMTMarc Nice I have been enjoying the 6 Pro too. Been finding some odd after shot processing but otherwise very happy

  • @ibrahims1849
    @ibrahims1849 3 месяца назад

    Very nice review my good man.

  • @SDav21
    @SDav21 8 месяцев назад +16

    Honor went for this zoom lens for the better. As you see at night, 5x zoom cameras just can't manage. The honor is so much better at mid zoom ranges. Anything over 20x to 30x isn't usable anyway let alone 100x. With the honor, the aperture at 2.5x is much wider so it let's on more light. But they've made the mp count higher to get reasonable zoom by being able to crop more. Moving the exposure slider on the Samsung won't do anything because it's camera doesn't have as much info because the aperture is so small on a 5x.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +5

      Absolutely! The 6 Pro is an excellent phone, and I'm extremely satisfied with its camera. About your comment on the exposure of the S24 Ultra, especially in reference to the night scene video, it's important to note that exposure involves more than just aperture settings. I anticipated that the S24 Ultra would adjust its ISO to increase exposure, thereby brightening the image. However, it seems it didn't make any adjustments at all...

    • @SDav21
      @SDav21 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@JMTMarc I'm assuming it wouldn't adjust ISO because it would introduce even more noise and lower the image quality.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +2

      Might be.

  • @gethealthy7413
    @gethealthy7413 5 месяцев назад +2

    The Honor needs to improve on the selfie and zoom, the rest I prefer it better than the S24, and overall the phone feels better in the hand and the display has a leading PWM so it helps my sensitive eyes.
    Last time I had the S22 Ultra I get eye strain and headaches all the time but after changing to a higher PWM phone I never felt that discomfort again.

  • @petermupandawana4548
    @petermupandawana4548 8 месяцев назад

    You are doing great brother keep up with the good work. Try reviewing more devices but you are one of the reviewers who does a very detailed review

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for your kind words. I think I'm not the one who does 5 minute reviews. Could be due to me scientific background :D

  • @Mohammed-tz5tn
    @Mohammed-tz5tn 8 месяцев назад

    Congratulations for this excellent comparison 🎉

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you so much!

  • @FredJohnstone
    @FredJohnstone 27 дней назад +1

    Honor magic 6 pro is so much better in every way

  • @steelwrath
    @steelwrath 5 месяцев назад

    Dxomark magic 6 pro got the first place. That is enough for me to choose. Either way thanks for the detailing video and honest opinion 🙏

  • @chhamza-ww1hb
    @chhamza-ww1hb 4 месяца назад

    Very Nice, Informative video ❤ appreciate your efforts 👌🏻 keep it on... THANKS

  • @mihailaurentiu5050
    @mihailaurentiu5050 5 месяцев назад +1

    I just changed from S24 Ultra, as in less than 3 months the USB module is damaged without to drop the phone or be in any contact with water,basically won't charge by wire ,only wireless,SHAME SAMSUNG!!!!!.Now I owe the Honor Magic 6 Pro that for sure I can say much more stylish,easy to hold,looks more luxurious than the "old" same design as the ones from previous years,S24 Ultra.The camera looks much better to me with more realistic colours plus night mode to me Honor is amazing comparing with Samsung on the same scenarious!Zooming I found the same or better for Honor!Battery charging amazing for Honor plus new Si-Ca technology comparing with over 20 years old Li-Ion,much quickeeeer charging,SHAME SAMSUNG AGAIN TO YOU!Only the downside to me is the 4 years of major OS comparing with Samsung 7 years of major OS ...but let's see in time how long I will keep a phone,will worth or no,the time you wait for a new OS!Then lack of accesories comparing with Samsung and less functions when I am pairing the Honor to Galaxy Watch!Overall is a good phone,fast 3D unlock is amazing,variable camera aperture;better than Samsung and with much better price!

  • @brunogervais181
    @brunogervais181 7 дней назад

    Thank u very much for your really good job

  • @gulfamahmad8267
    @gulfamahmad8267 24 дня назад

    Hey where i live samsung s24u is cheaper than magic honor 6 pro.. which mobile should i go for.

    • @aerostonite2
      @aerostonite2 2 дня назад

      that question can only be answered by you and your wallet, the comparison already been made

  • @david-markthomlinson7928
    @david-markthomlinson7928 6 месяцев назад +1

    Great video and review. What setting are you using for macro on the s24 Ultra. I had the Honor Magic 5 Pro prior to s24 ultra. Honor nailed it every time. I must be missing something with the s24 ultra. Thanks in advance.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  6 месяцев назад

      Thank you! No specific settings.

  • @mohamedshawmei6802
    @mohamedshawmei6802 8 месяцев назад +1

    What should i take for photos and videos of both?

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Honestly you can't go wrong with both. The S24 Ultra might have a slight edge when it comes to video (8K recordning, higher frame rates, better stabilization).

    • @tahmidahmedsiam
      @tahmidahmedsiam 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@JMTMarcMagic $200 cheaper remember that

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      That's definetly worth considering!

  • @MehruPoppins
    @MehruPoppins 21 день назад

    can u compare google pixel 9 pro with HM 6 pro

  • @rolins3279
    @rolins3279 8 месяцев назад +1

    Oddly enough, when it comes to the Honor, you know that you have to/can lower the exposure manually, or change the tone of the colors, but when it comes to the S24 Ultra, you behave like you don't know you can do that too, that you can choose the natural tone for selfies, that you can use Camera Assistant to tone down the oversharpening... Pff 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +4

      Indeed! I chose not to use a camera assistant because I wanted to compare the "out-of-the-box" quality. For a comparison video, you have to make a decision. Once you start to fiddle with the settings of one phone, it's not fair anymore. With every phone, you can drastically improve the quality once you start to get the hang of it and play with the settings.

  • @RobinSogi
    @RobinSogi 4 месяца назад

    good job very nice video and your efforts very good job.

  • @ص3ق
    @ص3ق Месяц назад

    كنت من عشاق SAMSUNG ، خاصة بعد تجربتي ل:s23 ultra.. وكنت على وشك اقتناء :S24 ULTRA.. ولكن بعد اكتشاف مميزات هذا الوحش الساحر:6PRO..تغير كل شيء.

  • @mariang.4296
    @mariang.4296 4 месяца назад

    I don't understand why all you vloggers/influencers compare a high-midrange phone with flagship phones. The phones with which the Honor 200 pro should be compared are the S24, Pura70, Iphone 15 and Xiaomi 14, not the ultra and pro models of these manufacturers, at least because of the price (although some of them are overrated). Some of us are looking for comparisons to decide which phone model to buy, not to see how financially strong you are, can you afford to buy 20 phone models / how sponsored are you or how good are you at comparing different things due to the lack of occupation and the desire to make yourself known in the virtual world. The comparison here is therefore irrelevant.

  • @gunduz0537
    @gunduz0537 8 месяцев назад +1

    Honor's stabilization is not good at 5x. and thanks for the video🙏🏻🖤

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely! And its even worse in low light, introduces some nasty jitters!

  • @jarekjarek4396
    @jarekjarek4396 8 месяцев назад

    Dziękuję ci ślicznie za świetne porównanie bardzo profesjonalna praca to potwierdza że honor zasłużył na pozycję jaką osiągnął 😀

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Dziękuję za komentarz! To naprawdę świetny telefon!

  • @misstornton3848
    @misstornton3848 7 месяцев назад

    I currently have honor mp6 and thinking to switch to ultra 24 cause some photos are too bright, or when I zoom the photo in my gallery which is already taken, I see that face looks horrible, it's like honor draws smth on my face. However the phone is good, but maybe ultra camera would be better

    • @jasonrivera7163
      @jasonrivera7163 7 месяцев назад +1

      All chinese phone tend to face beautification , alot of then don't let u turn them off all the way. And as too the brightness the honor like alot of chinese phone use much larger sensors which come with it own pros and cons one con is u end up with brighter some time too bright photos especially if software didn't correct for it ,on the reverse u end up with generally cleaner lowlight photos because the software doesn't need to process it as much because it naturally taking in more light .that why the 5x night shot was darker on the s24u then the honor

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад +1

      That's true, in China, face optimization in photography seems to be a big deal. The Xiaomi 14 and Vivo X100 Pro have it too, but you have to activate it and there are many customization options.

  • @thedarkness3080
    @thedarkness3080 8 месяцев назад +3

    Which camera preset did you use? Natural or vivid?

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      I used vivid. But in my opinion the difference between vivid and natural is negligable on the 6 Pro.

  • @SDav21
    @SDav21 8 месяцев назад +3

    On the slow Mo the Honor was way better. What are you seeing? Or what am I seeing. Lol. Because the honor was definitely a much more pleasing slow motion video in my opinion.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Certainly. I personally have a preference for the Honor's Slow Motion capabilities as well. When recording at Full HD 120p, the S24 Ultra produces slightly sharper images, whereas the Honor tends to display more artifacts. At Full HD 240p, the S24 Ultra's footage appears overly sharpened, while the Honor encounters some issues with sky depiction and exposure. Despite these technical differences, my subjective opinion leans more favorably towards the Honor's performance.

  • @Daphne2342
    @Daphne2342 7 месяцев назад

    photos must be zoomed in. If not, its just a social media photo comparison

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      I showed 100% crops of the images.

  • @janlemor2
    @janlemor2 5 месяцев назад

    You should put level which is which like s24 or honor label

  • @jesusrosmengarciasosa1697
    @jesusrosmengarciasosa1697 8 месяцев назад

    What display is better between these two phones?

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Both are great, but I like the display of the Samsung better, because of the anti-reflective glass. It's almost magic, how little it reflects light.

  • @SibTiger33
    @SibTiger33 7 месяцев назад +1

    Honor really did make a backwards step with that zoom. A real shame. Magic 5 Pro is a better deal at its current price

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      I agree! It's puzzling why it received such high ratings on various sites.

  • @JuberKhan-f7w
    @JuberKhan-f7w 2 месяца назад

    Honor magic 6 pro
    Portrait video....?

  • @fendykusumohadi
    @fendykusumohadi 8 месяцев назад +1

    Please compare honor magic 6 pro versus vivo x 100 pro

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      I decided to sell the Magic 6 Pro.

    • @fendykusumohadi
      @fendykusumohadi 8 месяцев назад

      @@JMTMarc oh why

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      I can not keep every phone and there was no justification to keep it next to the S24 Ultra and Xiaomi 14 Ultra.

  • @eaglehunter1802
    @eaglehunter1802 7 месяцев назад

    I'm sick of Samsung now after years of using them. I'm looking to buy new phone any day now (got xiaomi 14 ultra but sent it back after 1 day) and wanted it to be the honor magic 6 pro, But I think the s24 ultra is beating this hands down... Am I wrong?? ... Any other recommendations of handsets I could look at?? ..... Budget £1500

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      What about the vivo X100 Pro? Great camera, great performance. But software is not that great. Or Google Pixel 8 Pro?

  • @hamada100200100
    @hamada100200100 8 месяцев назад +1

    We want to see
    Magic 6 pro vs s24ultra
    Moon zoom please mak it happening 🥳🥳🇩🇿💛

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Too cloudy for that ;) But thanks for the recommendation :D

  • @davidadams5116
    @davidadams5116 7 месяцев назад

    Just got my Honor magic 6 pro, coming from the s23 ultra. The Honour is far better than the s23, i cant say against s24 though.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      It's a great phone. I just which the camera was a little better (or the post processing of the images).

  • @to2_aa
    @to2_aa 2 месяца назад

    Honor magic 6 pro ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

  • @maranzaubaw
    @maranzaubaw 7 месяцев назад

    Look Samsung phone is front camera is very good but back camera is Honor is the best❤😊

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for your comment and oppinion!

  • @kpehe100
    @kpehe100 8 месяцев назад +1

    The front camera is better on the Honor but the back cameras are better on the S24 Ultra. To be honest, I love the Honor when it comes to human subjects, both front and back cameras

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your comment. A lot of that comes down to different processing.

    • @samkorzun2670
      @samkorzun2670 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@JMTMarcу хорошая трава более сочная и зелёная обработка влияет а у самсунга чётко блекло трава выглядет но то как видит человек прям

  • @eiyt
    @eiyt 8 месяцев назад

    Honor 10x zoom video is like doing a dance, ha!

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Its basically 4x digital zoom. Even with a 180MP sensor this means compromises...

  • @farhanshah5966
    @farhanshah5966 6 месяцев назад +1

    Bro s24 ultra vid is so smooth why was the honor magic 6 pro was jittery?

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  6 месяцев назад

      No idea. I just used standard settings 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @MunasibHuseynov1
    @MunasibHuseynov1 8 месяцев назад

    Honor magic 6 pro winner 🏆🏆

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      It's really interesting. It seems that many people are torn between the S24 Ultra and the Magic 6 Pro. In my opinion, they are very comparable, with each having its own areas of strengths and weaknesses.

  • @dieschnellekatze
    @dieschnellekatze 7 месяцев назад

    Love this comparison

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      Appreciate it 🤗

  • @kamalbismi7558
    @kamalbismi7558 7 месяцев назад

    Samsung more into natural color while honor tend to saturation

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      True! Honor uses to mich saturation and contrast in auto mode.

  • @IsmailKhan-n2b
    @IsmailKhan-n2b 2 месяца назад

    I am using magic 6 pro😋😋😍😍

  • @gueck77
    @gueck77 8 месяцев назад

    Really liked S24

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Great camera, yes!

  • @SitiDoplak
    @SitiDoplak 2 месяца назад

    honor magic 6 pro overall is good n cheaper ❤

  • @YoutubeStoryYT
    @YoutubeStoryYT 7 месяцев назад

    I don't like the design of the s24ultra, if I get an honor, the camera is much weaker than the s24 or stronger

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      The camera of the S24 Ultra is definitely better.

  • @rkmncontenardi
    @rkmncontenardi 8 месяцев назад

    OMG Not even my m5pro is that jerky in videos... what have they done on the m6pro?!

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Stabilization is pretty bad under suboptimal conditions, yes.

  • @drivko6393
    @drivko6393 3 дня назад

    Magic 6 Pro - the 2nd best camera phone according to DxOMark. What a joke! They cannot be trusted, looks like Huawei pays then

  • @hamoudazipie
    @hamoudazipie 2 месяца назад

    The only thing Samsung wins is an update

  • @rayjam7099
    @rayjam7099 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks!

  • @Aexo03
    @Aexo03 3 месяца назад

    OMG honor its not a normal phone waw great gob HONOR

  • @dotochnyychelovek1279
    @dotochnyychelovek1279 7 месяцев назад

    На самсунг к зум куда лучше видео и фото, хотя еиу уже мин лет 7-8.

  • @alexdenton6586
    @alexdenton6586 7 месяцев назад

    It’s sad because I love android but it seems that iPhones are at the top right now in terms of photo and video quality

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  7 месяцев назад

      I wouldn't say that! Android has some really powerful camera phones that are better than the iPhone. For example Vivo X100 Pro, Xiaomi 14 Ultra, Oppo Find X7.

  • @HungLingLim
    @HungLingLim 8 месяцев назад

    Honor Magic 6 pro portrait mode's bokeh is a bit unnatural. probably it looks good for non-professional photographer. lol.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yes. Thats my main gripe with portrait mode.

  • @lucaspanasski331
    @lucaspanasski331 8 месяцев назад

    Honor waaay too saturated

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Yes. It tends to apply to much saturation, even in natural profile.

  • @ukr28
    @ukr28 8 месяцев назад

    👍

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you!

  • @1981Ararat
    @1981Ararat 8 месяцев назад

    Samsung s24 ultra 👌

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад

      Both are very capable camera flagships!

  • @dominikgorzelak5481
    @dominikgorzelak5481 7 месяцев назад

    Ale drewno

  • @JeromeAndRizaVibes
    @JeromeAndRizaVibes 8 месяцев назад +1

    iphone 13 user here... I think its time to change phone right now... I like the design and sleek camera at the back... All in all i like the specs. Im tired of IOS for real for real.

    • @JMTMarc
      @JMTMarc  8 месяцев назад +2

      The world of Android phones is really exiting. Used iPhones from iPhone 4 until 14 Pro Max and now completely switched to Android.

    • @User51813
      @User51813 7 месяцев назад

      And once switching to Android I don't think so we can go back to iPhone again 😂.

    • @JeromeAndRizaVibes
      @JeromeAndRizaVibes 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@User51813 you can tell now that phones are not the same as 10yrs ago when we wait for it every year not like now.🤣 I mean every month has a new cellphone release.. Oh iphone sucks by the way im an iphone user!!! Yah yah right we know it already...