I appreciate these streams and their conversations, even if we turned this one into konrad curze didn't do anything wrong. Love the video keep up the good work!! Also how can Fabius bile make perfect clones of primarchs but cant make primaris, and cawl can??
@@guntuna348 nothing makes the streams as fun as having someone like yourself pushing me to explain myself and increasing the quality of our conversations. I will rename the streams to be more reflective of their content. Thank you for your help and here’s my logic with the primaris. Chaos space marines will range between slightly worse than regular loyalists (made with subpar parts and equipment trained poorly etc) to way way way better (eternal veterans, the blessed, specially armed and powerful when compared to a standard imperial) so in my opinion most groups of chaos marines were getting better over time making more and more chaos marines better than the loyalists. (This isn’t reflected often but my example would be the number of champions and such compared to loyalists on a 1:1 basis) fabious and other chaos forces are responsible for this either making better marines over time or getting better equipment. So in my mindset Fabious and his fellows along with chaos in general had already reached primaris status in power level by the time that Cawl came out with them. So narratively the primaris project (which isn’t as great as people think it is) was just a measure to keep loyalists marines up to the new standard chaos mariens that were becoming more and more common. That’s my logic and reasoning
@@hydragonsbreath3418 It is a fact that Chaos space marines would be more powerful then the loyalists due to their unrestricted technology and over time gaining power from the dark gods. Chaos space marines have always had better tech due to them taking many STCs before and while they were pushed to the warp, landraiders, high grade lance weapons etc. I understand the idea of primaris in lore and out of lore even if i don't like it, but it dose not make any sense that of all people a tech priest nobody even knows of, makes space marines that are better in every way then the old ones, have better tech that he made and was not approved by mars or even know by them or anyone else with the tech often being long been forgotten. He was somehow able to hide tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of marines and their armor, weapons, tanks stockpiling them in stasis with many of the marines being from the houris heresy. Forget about the part that stasis in the imperium is not just you go sleep and wake up, it is a long forgotten tech that is finicky at best with marines having trouble waking up after long periods of time. With even if they do wake up they are often changed in some way mentally. Add on top of this that Cawl changed the Omnissiah's design which is the greatest tech heresy possible aside from making AI which he also somehow did twice.
@ I literally didn’t even want to get into it because you’re right but that would’ve been a long rant even for me. I agree with your assessment entirely it’s insane and it’s a very poor choice and that’s why I generally just turn a blind eye to it. The one other thing I’ll say is that the legions have much from the heresy but they’ve also lost a ton of tech and designs. I think it’s a sliding scale or kinda random but overall you are right that the highest highs of Csm are miles away from the completely uniform average loyalists. Cawl lore bad is the best I can manage cause tbh you did the full nuanced analysis right there by yourself word for word I couldn’t have said it better.
@@hydragonsbreath3418 The entire thing cuts deeper when you read other ad mech books and everything cawl thinks, says and does would have got him nailed to an iron cross, his blatant heresy and use of Xeons tech even being friendly with a necron talking to it, the enemy of the ad mech and everything they stand for, he just having a friendly chat.
I appreciate these streams and their conversations, even if we turned this one into konrad curze didn't do anything wrong. Love the video keep up the good work!! Also how can Fabius bile make perfect clones of primarchs but cant make primaris, and cawl can??
@@guntuna348 nothing makes the streams as fun as having someone like yourself pushing me to explain myself and increasing the quality of our conversations. I will rename the streams to be more reflective of their content. Thank you for your help and here’s my logic with the primaris. Chaos space marines will range between slightly worse than regular loyalists (made with subpar parts and equipment trained poorly etc) to way way way better (eternal veterans, the blessed, specially armed and powerful when compared to a standard imperial) so in my opinion most groups of chaos marines were getting better over time making more and more chaos marines better than the loyalists. (This isn’t reflected often but my example would be the number of champions and such compared to loyalists on a 1:1 basis) fabious and other chaos forces are responsible for this either making better marines over time or getting better equipment. So in my mindset Fabious and his fellows along with chaos in general had already reached primaris status in power level by the time that Cawl came out with them. So narratively the primaris project (which isn’t as great as people think it is) was just a measure to keep loyalists marines up to the new standard chaos mariens that were becoming more and more common. That’s my logic and reasoning
@@hydragonsbreath3418 It is a fact that Chaos space marines would be more powerful then the loyalists due to their unrestricted technology and over time gaining power from the dark gods. Chaos space marines have always had better tech due to them taking many STCs before and while they were pushed to the warp, landraiders, high grade lance weapons etc. I understand the idea of primaris in lore and out of lore even if i don't like it, but it dose not make any sense that of all people a tech priest nobody even knows of, makes space marines that are better in every way then the old ones, have better tech that he made and was not approved by mars or even know by them or anyone else with the tech often being long been forgotten. He was somehow able to hide tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of marines and their armor, weapons, tanks stockpiling them in stasis with many of the marines being from the houris heresy. Forget about the part that stasis in the imperium is not just you go sleep and wake up, it is a long forgotten tech that is finicky at best with marines having trouble waking up after long periods of time. With even if they do wake up they are often changed in some way mentally. Add on top of this that Cawl changed the Omnissiah's design which is the greatest tech heresy possible aside from making AI which he also somehow did twice.
@ I literally didn’t even want to get into it because you’re right but that would’ve been a long rant even for me. I agree with your assessment entirely it’s insane and it’s a very poor choice and that’s why I generally just turn a blind eye to it. The one other thing I’ll say is that the legions have much from the heresy but they’ve also lost a ton of tech and designs. I think it’s a sliding scale or kinda random but overall you are right that the highest highs of Csm are miles away from the completely uniform average loyalists. Cawl lore bad is the best I can manage cause tbh you did the full nuanced analysis right there by yourself word for word I couldn’t have said it better.
@@hydragonsbreath3418 The entire thing cuts deeper when you read other ad mech books and everything cawl thinks, says and does would have got him nailed to an iron cross, his blatant heresy and use of Xeons tech even being friendly with a necron talking to it, the enemy of the ad mech and everything they stand for, he just having a friendly chat.