My kingdom (1981) and Fire camp allies (1032,3307) Wind camp 1568, 2218, 1256 I will not be addressing this topic in the future, it’s been fun but looking forward from here on out and wish everyone a good ol’ reset going into the new year. Cheers!
Hi Kane, I just finished watching the video. First of all, congratulations to everyone for winning this KvK. Your video is very clear and highlights everything that happened. Unfortunately, Wind tried to be sneaky, but it backfired on them. They used our downtime as their main argument while ignoring their own, and in the end, the stats in KL were so close, even though they claimed we had drained ourselves in Zone 5. Once again, congratulations to our entire camp for this KvK. It was an honor to fight alongside you and 1981. Greetings from 1032.
Great video. 1568 betrayed after they explicitly agreed to give star and claiming other rewards. They betrayed in the last days because of greed of certain leadership individuals in 1568. Thanks for the transparency !!
During your KL stream, did you say at one point that you guys were going to stop/pull back because KL zig area wasn’t going good when water camp was focusing on you? And that wind had to come up to help to keep you guys going? I’m just trying to follow all the info I’m seeing everywhere
So for zone 5 let’s count day 1 and 2 since we fought a lot that day. After that I went to the restaurant so let’s all decide to ignore day 3 as I wasn’t there. Day 4 we placed a fort so let’s count that. And also discard day 5 since we went to sleep after fort drop failed. I’d also like toppings with my subjective dkp please.
1568 and 2218 are just shady kds worthy of being in the same camp. Watching this video and reading the full screens really makes their attempt of betrayal a comedy, same with their cropped screens to trick dummies in discord servers
You are right about the failure of diplomacy . Where standard should be clearly disscuss at thr beggining of kvk. However , u are wrong regarding wind attacked fire first. It was your camp mate 32 started to burn all wind flags , while wind is doing BF for march speed . It result in RK disband fire from coalition and launch rally .
What determines 'important fighting'? What determines 'impact'? Using that metric alone caused this drama. Yes, not ALL DKP matters sometimes, but you can't just call zone 5 a day 1 and 2 thing. It's clear to me they used this to convince themselves that they had 'better stats' and deserved the star. If there is objective to fight for, regardless of whether or not you think it Is 'important', that can give you fighting benefits and rewards, it is a fight worth fighting and counting.
19:07 - You didn’t change it “3 or 4 days after Kingsland” you changed it literally within hours of Kingsland ending, and we provide proof of that as well. 21:30 - The screenshot you provided as “Kingsland data” is actually Kingsland + Pass 7. Kingsland stats were further skewed in our favor. 21:40 - This screenshot of camp power is misleading at best because it only used the alliance power and alliance kp of each camp and does not showcase the total CH25 power of any camp which was far more equally balanced on the wind/water side. 23:35 - I can’t believe you even thought this would sound reasonable, but obviously fighting 1606 is going to be more difficult than fighting 2 very young kingdoms. Also, again, you’re basing all of this off of only alliance power and alliance kp rather than total kingdom/camp stats. 27:05 - Our point was that earth camp by your own admission was a larger camp with far more troops to lose. You may have been trading positively overall but every troop you guys lost was worth more than one that earth lost. Also, 1032 specifically was losing 5 t5 troops for every 1 t4 they lost which was not a productive way to conduct the zone or to maintain strength for later in the kvk. 30:05 - We have several examples of our players telling you to slow down in zone 5 after initial scans came out and Vinheiros was messaging Jao privately as well to tell him to slow down because the rate of t5 loss for 1032 was genuinely insane. 34:40 - All of this was posted prior to our knowledge of your side chats with earth and water. We have a timeline of our events in our drive document I mentioned in my other post. 42:20 - We laughed because of the “one front except for a few players of 2218” portion of that statement which downplayed heavily what we were actually doing. Also you’re heavily downplaying earth’s involvement in KL as a whole. I understand their kills were lower compared to the rest of the camps but that’s caused by us completely blowing them up immediately after the pass opened. You can watch our streamer Gandark’s perspective of this fight for more context on how that went. 43:20 - You’re absolutely right that it would not have been smart of us to go all in on 1606 in previous zones other than KL, just as it was not smart for you to do in zone 5 either against earth. This explains the DKP discrepancy perfectly, thanks. 44:30 - This is something that’s difficult to understand without literally being involved in it, but the Brazilian RoK community has a massive rivalry between the kingdoms and they have a WhatsApp group where they talk a massive amount of smack to one another, make memes, etc etc. 1032 came out heavily talking trash about 2218 when KL ended because they had higher stats as a kingdom even though 2218 got to spend way less time fighting based on how long fire stayed fighting earth in zone 5. This is where a ton of it stems from. 46:30 - It was our intention to not hit cities, however, once it became clear that you guys had gone to earth and water camp to kick us out of KL, this changed as it was clearly not going to be just between us as we’d intended.
Thing is, you didnt trade particularly well against earth in Z5. You trades 1.065:1 on deads against them pre KL, that's literally even, and you were definitely taking a bunch of T5 deads on mains earth was too to be fair but trading 1:1 against an enemy that started with more power in a tactically irrelevant zone makes no sense. Pre KL deads: Fire - 609.3 Earth - 649.29 KL DKP was ~20% higher for wind than fire btw, not 10% For the record, trades against earth were about 3-4x better than against water all kvk for just about everyone. saying that you didnt fight the clearly weaker enemy is just straight up lying. Saying it was smart for you to push in Z5 but not smart for wind to push makes zero sense. The reality is that if wind pushed 1606 in Z5 like you guys pushed earth, neither of you would have been in KL longer than 24 hours because it's a braindead thing to do. In the end you decided you'd rather give the star/autarchs to your enemies than get more autarchs from letting your allies have it for their KL performance, I guess that's a choice. I'll give you credit for being a bit more objective here than i expected, but you're straight up lying to yourself with a lot of your points.
Wind betrayed you by attacking you with clear intentiob to not settle by frinedly figth agree from both sides. Who deserves the star dont know since seems like it was just miscommunication from both sides. Leason for future diplomacy and for other Leaders also
Wind betrayed that’s the end of it, you could have come up with some other outcomes like even spinning the wheel since both sides feel that they’ve deserved it but wind acted and betrayed.
Wow, that's a BIG betrayal! Thanks for the info. Wind camp (1568, 2218, 1256) are some true villains. Be careful everyone not to ally with them in the future.
Hi, im no king so idk… how and when is autard distribution happens? did wind risked to have only a star or they did risk their autard too? if autard happened before betrayal then wind really had nothing to lose but only gain if betrayal is successful.
My issue with the DKP / data argument is that every opponent is different. It makes a huge difference if you have to fight a BABA TC ATATURK or a random f2p t5 player. Getting even 50% dkp against baba is probably more impressive than 100% against a random. So you should have some kind of multiplier to factor in the average player strength. I wouldn’t be surprised if 1606 is on average 1.3/1.4 ratio stronger than earth. That said you guys made an agreement and it was clearly violated by wind camp. So you deserved the win despite whatever dkp calculation you used. It is clear they are the only ones at fault here.
Hello Everyone, I understand I’m on Kane’s video and speaking to his fans and community mostly so this isn’t going to be received well, so just understand I won’t be responding to any replies. There are several factual inaccuracies in this video, several things lacking proper context and several other things that are just straight up lies. I encourage all of you to view the other side of this. Wind camp has created and posted a Google drive document on the Fleisch discord server under the kingdom reviews section outlining our rebuttals and perspective. I understand it’s a long document, but if you can sit through a 49 minute video I’m sure you have the time to read it. Thanks to those who have supported us from around the rok community and happy holidays to all.
I can attest to 1981 being the deciding factor in our kvk . They definitely were the reason we won kvk . But they honored our agreement to use data for star. And they honored their agreement.
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My kingdom (1981) and Fire camp allies (1032,3307) Wind camp 1568, 2218, 1256
I will not be addressing this topic in the future, it’s been fun but looking forward from here on out and wish everyone a good ol’ reset going into the new year.
Cheers!
Hi Kane, I just finished watching the video. First of all, congratulations to everyone for winning this KvK. Your video is very clear and highlights everything that happened. Unfortunately, Wind tried to be sneaky, but it backfired on them. They used our downtime as their main argument while ignoring their own, and in the end, the stats in KL were so close, even though they claimed we had drained ourselves in Zone 5.
Once again, congratulations to our entire camp for this KvK. It was an honor to fight alongside you and 1981. Greetings from 1032.
They betrayed you dawg, they had a professional Karen to justify their reasoning for star.
Should make a video on it, you do well covering these kind of subjects tbh. Kane went too easy on them
@Facts-only69 I kind of already did, Kane just showed more receipts since he's in kings chat
great video, great kvk. Was fun having u as ally on fire camp, gg
Very nice Video, really like how you showed everything and explained it
Great video. 1568 betrayed after they explicitly agreed to give star and claiming other rewards. They betrayed in the last days because of greed of certain leadership individuals in 1568. Thanks for the transparency !!
@meow2zhang208 the "other rewards" thing you are talking about is out of context and actually never specified who gets zig at all lol.
During your KL stream, did you say at one point that you guys were going to stop/pull back because KL zig area wasn’t going good when water camp was focusing on you? And that wind had to come up to help to keep you guys going?
I’m just trying to follow all the info I’m seeing everywhere
So for zone 5 let’s count day 1 and 2 since we fought a lot that day. After that I went to the restaurant so let’s all decide to ignore day 3 as I wasn’t there. Day 4 we placed a fort so let’s count that. And also discard day 5 since we went to sleep after fort drop failed. I’d also like toppings with my subjective dkp please.
It’s sooo funny hearing you say you took out earth with ease 😂😂 You guys had to hire pilots just to take water and earth out of KL
Great video bro🙏🏻🔥
I'd much rather my enemy have the star instead of backbiters.
Its not miscommunication or anything they straight up gaslighted yall
good and imokrmatnt video thx
1568 and 2218 are just shady kds worthy of being in the same camp. Watching this video and reading the full screens really makes their attempt of betrayal a comedy, same with their cropped screens to trick dummies in discord servers
You are right about the failure of diplomacy . Where standard should be clearly disscuss at thr beggining of kvk. However , u are wrong regarding wind attacked fire first. It was your camp mate 32 started to burn all wind flags , while wind is doing BF for march speed . It result in RK disband fire from coalition and launch rally .
What determines 'important fighting'? What determines 'impact'?
Using that metric alone caused this drama. Yes, not ALL DKP matters sometimes, but you can't just call zone 5 a day 1 and 2 thing. It's clear to me they used this to convince themselves that they had 'better stats' and deserved the star. If there is objective to fight for, regardless of whether or not you think it Is 'important', that can give you fighting benefits and rewards, it is a fight worth fighting and counting.
I LOVE BETRAYALS!!! 😍
19:07 - You didn’t change it “3 or 4 days after Kingsland” you changed it literally within hours of Kingsland ending, and we provide proof of that as well.
21:30 - The screenshot you provided as “Kingsland data” is actually Kingsland + Pass 7. Kingsland stats were further skewed in our favor.
21:40 - This screenshot of camp power is misleading at best because it only used the alliance power and alliance kp of each camp and does not showcase the total CH25 power of any camp which was far more equally balanced on the wind/water side.
23:35 - I can’t believe you even thought this would sound reasonable, but obviously fighting 1606 is going to be more difficult than fighting 2 very young kingdoms. Also, again, you’re basing all of this off of only alliance power and alliance kp rather than total kingdom/camp stats.
27:05 - Our point was that earth camp by your own admission was a larger camp with far more troops to lose. You may have been trading positively overall but every troop you guys lost was worth more than one that earth lost. Also, 1032 specifically was losing 5 t5 troops for every 1 t4 they lost which was not a productive way to conduct the zone or to maintain strength for later in the kvk.
30:05 - We have several examples of our players telling you to slow down in zone 5 after initial scans came out and Vinheiros was messaging Jao privately as well to tell him to slow down because the rate of t5 loss for 1032 was genuinely insane.
34:40 - All of this was posted prior to our knowledge of your side chats with earth and water. We have a timeline of our events in our drive document I mentioned in my other post.
42:20 - We laughed because of the “one front except for a few players of 2218” portion of that statement which downplayed heavily what we were actually doing. Also you’re heavily downplaying earth’s involvement in KL as a whole. I understand their kills were lower compared to the rest of the camps but that’s caused by us completely blowing them up immediately after the pass opened. You can watch our streamer Gandark’s perspective of this fight for more context on how that went.
43:20 - You’re absolutely right that it would not have been smart of us to go all in on 1606 in previous zones other than KL, just as it was not smart for you to do in zone 5 either against earth. This explains the DKP discrepancy perfectly, thanks.
44:30 - This is something that’s difficult to understand without literally being involved in it, but the Brazilian RoK community has a massive rivalry between the kingdoms and they have a WhatsApp group where they talk a massive amount of smack to one another, make memes, etc etc. 1032 came out heavily talking trash about 2218 when KL ended because they had higher stats as a kingdom even though 2218 got to spend way less time fighting based on how long fire stayed fighting earth in zone 5. This is where a ton of it stems from.
46:30 - It was our intention to not hit cities, however, once it became clear that you guys had gone to earth and water camp to kick us out of KL, this changed as it was clearly not going to be just between us as we’d intended.
All this writing is contradicted by the video and screens, say no to drugs kids.
Thing is, you didnt trade particularly well against earth in Z5.
You trades 1.065:1 on deads against them pre KL, that's literally even, and you were definitely taking a bunch of T5 deads on mains
earth was too to be fair but trading 1:1 against an enemy that started with more power in a tactically irrelevant zone makes no sense.
Pre KL deads:
Fire - 609.3
Earth - 649.29
KL DKP was ~20% higher for wind than fire btw, not 10%
For the record, trades against earth were about 3-4x better than against water all kvk for just about everyone. saying that you didnt fight the clearly weaker enemy is just straight up lying.
Saying it was smart for you to push in Z5 but not smart for wind to push makes zero sense.
The reality is that if wind pushed 1606 in Z5 like you guys pushed earth, neither of you would have been in KL longer than 24 hours because it's a braindead thing to do.
In the end you decided you'd rather give the star/autarchs to your enemies than get more autarchs from letting your allies have it for their KL performance, I guess that's a choice.
I'll give you credit for being a bit more objective here than i expected, but you're straight up lying to yourself with a lot of your points.
Wind betrayed you by attacking you with clear intentiob to not settle by frinedly figth agree from both sides.
Who deserves the star dont know since seems like it was just miscommunication from both sides. Leason for future diplomacy and for other Leaders also
Wind betrayed that’s the end of it, you could have come up with some other outcomes like even spinning the wheel since both sides feel that they’ve deserved it but wind acted and betrayed.
Wow, that's a BIG betrayal! Thanks for the info. Wind camp (1568, 2218, 1256) are some true villains. Be careful everyone not to ally with them in the future.
Hi, im no king so idk… how and when is autard distribution happens? did wind risked to have only a star or they did risk their autard too? if autard happened before betrayal then wind really had nothing to lose but only gain if betrayal is successful.
My issue with the DKP / data argument is that every opponent is different. It makes a huge difference if you have to fight a BABA TC ATATURK or a random f2p t5 player. Getting even 50% dkp against baba is probably more impressive than 100% against a random. So you should have some kind of multiplier to factor in the average player strength. I wouldn’t be surprised if 1606 is on average 1.3/1.4 ratio stronger than earth.
That said you guys made an agreement and it was clearly violated by wind camp. So you deserved the win despite whatever dkp calculation you used. It is clear they are the only ones at fault here.
1606 was more like 3x earth on average.
Not gonna lie this kvk sucked fighting fire being part of earth what Kane said in this video is true
History is written by the winners
great vid, yall should have gotten the star but is what it is
I lost all respect for omniarch after watching his vid about this kvk
💯
Congrats but where’s the memes 😂
Hello Everyone,
I understand I’m on Kane’s video and speaking to his fans and community mostly so this isn’t going to be received well, so just understand I won’t be responding to any replies. There are several factual inaccuracies in this video, several things lacking proper context and several other things that are just straight up lies. I encourage all of you to view the other side of this. Wind camp has created and posted a Google drive document on the Fleisch discord server under the kingdom reviews section outlining our rebuttals and perspective. I understand it’s a long document, but if you can sit through a 49 minute video I’m sure you have the time to read it. Thanks to those who have supported us from around the rok community and happy holidays to all.
Should have highlighted the betraying kingdoms in the title for future reference.
@@Facts-only69 trying to let the audience form their own opinions. I put the kingdoms in each camp in a pinned comment
it was a great kvk but trashtalkings and dramas are part of this game. congrats ...
I can attest to 1981 being the deciding factor in our kvk . They definitely were the reason we won kvk .
But they honored our agreement to use data for star. And they honored their agreement.
Lol fire camp is actually a joke for this 🤡