for ppl that don’t know..BLITZING and BEING AGGRESSIVE are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS, just because someone doesn’t blitz DOES NOT mean the coach isn’t “aggressive”
Agreed. I think blitzing (and how it's done) is part of the equation but not the entire formula. For example, one of the Eagles main blitzes the past season was getting into their Penny (5-1) front and rushing all the on ball defenders trying to get one-on-one match ups. While it has it's uses, it's not as aggressive as Fangio's designs that aim to manipulate protection and force the issue by getting unblocked defenders or forcing backs to block. Like you said, relentless pursuit, attacking blockers, DBs that stick their face in traffic, trying to punch the ball out or go for strip sacks, turning into the WR when the ball is in the air are all signs of an aggressive defense.
It definitely isn’t “COMPLETELY” different lol blitzing falls under being aggressive but isn’t the only aggressive way to scheme a defense…the notion of blitzing is literally aggression 😂😂
@@terrancecollins2696I feel like you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously blitzing is aggressive, he’s just saying that just because a defensive coordinator doesn’t blitz a lot doesn’t mean he isn’t aggressive
Dolphin fan here. Philly just got one hell of a coordinator. We upgraded in every category and Dolphin total defense improved from bottom half to a top ten overall defense. Philly just hit the jackpot.
With the pieces they've added and the pieces they got back (and the ones they currently have)... Where would you say they could rank? Recent Additions: ---------------- Gardner-Johnson Bryce Huff Quinyon Mitchell Cooper DeJean Jaylix Hunt Always interested to hear an outside non-biased opinion. Congrats on OBJ
This is another great breakdown. You don't miss, my man. I often wondered why we never got another Jim Johnson along the way. Did offenses figure out the schemes? I loved those aggressive blitz schemes. Having Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, and B Dawk back there made things a lot easier, I know.
Appreciate it! Those zone blitz heavy defenses were better at handling those "old school" offenses that used more heavy personnel and condensed formations. Teams started to spread them out and take advantage of the extra space allowed from less defenders in coverage. Fangio coached with and under Dom Capers and his zone blitz heavy teams for a long time, the bonus dropper Fangio uses is just an evolution of those zone blitz defenses to help deal with spread formations. Of course, there are coordinators like Wink Martindale that still blitz a ton, but they often paired it with a lot more man coverage. Although Brian Flores started utilizing a lot more blitz heavy zone principles this past season after learning a lot from Pat Narduzzi when he spent a year in Pittsburgh.
In fangio scheme you need good linebacker play and good safety play... Sidney may fit well in this scheme when he comes back but in the draft i feel like Howie is gonna have to change his draft pattern and take a safety pretty high..maybe one of those 2 round picks...thay 22 pick i see him goin o line which is fine but edge and safety must be addressed...get a corner in free agency if possible
I have been looking for a breakdown like this since Fangio got hired. Thanks man. This is exactly what I wanted. You did a great job. Got a follow from me for sure.
If no one hires Wink Martindale, he'd be a awesome consultant on blitz packages based on this video. I like this model. This seems to be similar to the old Dick Lebeau Pittsburgh Steelers' fire zone blitz pressure packages utilized @ 15 years ago.
Wink actually just got hired by the University of Michigan. But that's exactly where this came from! Dick LeBeau was a DB coach for Dom Capers when he was the DC with the Steelers in the early 90s. Together they built their fire zone blitz package and when Capers left to be HC for the Panthers, he brought in Fangio to be his DC. Capers later became HC for the Texans and Fangio was his DC there too. Fangio has just added this little wrinkle to help deal with spread formations that were exploiting some of the weaknesses of the fire zone defenses that Capers/LeBeau built.
@@PhillyFilmRoom Oh wow. I didn't know that Michigan was set to hire him. Yo, thanks for that info. I didn't know that connection. I didn't know Fangio was a part of their staff. I didn't pay attention in the '90s on position coaches. I have to admit I love your channel. You're very knowledgeable about the game. Very impressive. I played LB and that was in the late 70s so I didn't focus on coverages, and things were not complex. Our defensive philosophy was "see ball get ball!" LOL :) (BTW, this is my wife's computer; why you see her name).
As a Broncos fan (3 years of Fangio defense/ head coach) i have some insight for philly fans. The defense is gunna look bad early (hard to learn) and wont look great until year 2...many players cannot fit this scheme (expect many defensive roster changes on defense after year 1). You'll be soft in between the 20s and lock down in the redzone. Players generally don't like Vic and refer to him as "old school", a "curmudgeon", and more of "you fit my scheme" rather than a "make the scheme fit you" type of guy. Even the most easy to get along guys like Justin Simmons (former all pro fangio saftey) doesn't want to play in philly BECAUSE of Vic and Justin is a Walter Payton Man of the year kind of guy. You will need ELITE safety play for it to work also (he asks a lot from his safeties) and if you don't, expect BIG gashes in between the 20's.
LOL. As a eagles fan your team has never had the kind of talent eagles currently have. Vic made diamonds out of some dirt . Eagles are loaded with guys who already are buying into the scheme and we have the versatile peices to make it work. I agree year 2 will look better than year 1 . But we still gonna be better than last year. And that's all that matters
@@Just_A_Thought1217 it's not about being loaded or not. Vic doesn't utilize his talent the way that many others do. His CBs always play 2-5yds off the receiver (allowing easy short catches). Almost never blitzs (occasional nickle blitzes) and hopes that 4 can get home. His scheme is heavily reliant around hyper athletes that can cover at ILB. If you don't have the ILB, you're gunna have a bad time. He's also up there in age and his players don't like playing for him. Best of luck 👍
@kaukey depends on the personal yall have. Like I said expect whole sale changes next year if Vic is retained...he pushes players hard and quickly out stays his welcome
Counter argument is to watch, “how one man destroyed nfl defenses”. Scheme wise I have issues but his hurdle for success will be primarily who is starting LBs and Secondary will be. If Howie dictates Nakobe Dean and Bradberry and his current safety’s then it will Fail. Oh it’s true, true!
This move has really grown on me. I really like both of the new coordinator hires. Let's nail this draft, acquire a few veterans along the second and third levels of the defense, and possibly get a legitimate veteran #3 receiver after the inevitable annual Howie Roseman restructures.
RIP JIM JOHNSON.... my personal favorite DC ever... agreed with statement Eagles fans long for aggressive DC! Been eagles fan over 30 yrs, from Ray Rhodes to my man Jim Johnson I've been praying for an aggressive DC in philly! Get after they asses VIC!! Often imitated never duplicated VIC SCHEME! Don't need to blitz to be aggressive. EAGLES team is stacked amd full of good rushers from first second and 3rd level! Minus hurts turnovers this team has a chance to be special
Fritz Shurmer and Bill Belichick (when he was DC for NYG) I believe ran similar style Defenses (Eagle or some shit) and would give the Joe Montana 49ers fits at times.
I think Blankenship will surprise a lot of people in this scheme. He doesn’t get enough credit, he had the 4th highest pff grade out of his entire draft class mid-season
The problem is that yes Vic Fangio came up with all the soft coverage stuff but he adjusts his coverages accordingly but his disciples don't and instead aim to protect their defense against explosive plays which may help your ppg but limits the ceiling of your defense
Oh shut up. When eagles went to super bowl, u wasnt complaining? Vic fangio is way better than gannon. Eagles dont have good corners to play a heavy blitz scheme.
Yes Fangio ask Lamar and the Ravens about Fangio they put 56 points on his great defense other teams will also adjust to the Eagirls defense and give a hard tackle on Smith and Brown as the fumble away catches that Hurts won't like
Reddick and Nolan Smith are those hybrid edge defenders that work well in this type of defense. But they need to get faster at LB for sure and add another piece at safety.
For as long as he has been around, dont you think the rest of the NFL kinda knows him really well ? How much has he changed the core points of his system ?
Spags is doing pretty good. He’s been around for a while too. I get what you’re saying tho. That’s how I felt when we got Kellen Moore because cowboys might be familiar with his schemes too
By that logic, we should’ve had the greatest offense and defense in the league last year with basically two first time coordinators on both sides of the ball. These guys have continued success in the league for a reason; they have extremely high football IQ, they make the most out of the personnel they have, and they’re not afraid to make adjustments.
It's not like he's the only long tenured coach in the NFL. Belichick has been running similar variations of his system for close to 40 years now and they've consistently had really good defenses. Really, we overrate scheme too much because it's easy to put coaches/schemes in buckets and say this is the scheme they run. Teaching, game planning, adjusting within game and getting players to execute the system are far more important than the actual system. These coaches all add bits and pieces to their defenses over the years too.
I’m all for giving it another year with the Fangio scheme with the man himself….however….if we have the same fall apart season we did this year on defense then we need to shy away from it and try something else. As it was illustrated in your video though I think it will be a good call, but only because we have the actual Fangio, if we were just getting a disciple then I would be tuning out next year lol
I mean, I just showed you and then provided stats to back it up. And I get it about dropping edge rushers, different coaches have different styles and philosophies about it. It has been a very successful strategy for a long time though with it happening a significant amount under coaches like Belichick, Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, Saban, Kirby Smart, and all of those great Ravens and Steelers defenses of the 2000s just to name a few. Even Jim Johnson dropped edge rushers in his zone blitz schemes.
This means nothing... If our position coaches can't coach their way out of peewee practice it won't matter what scheme or who's scheme it is. The eagles problem isn't the schemes is the poorly ran practices Nick Siriani has been running.
The only weakness is the flats, which is why to PERFECT this scheme you need linebacks that can cover, stop the run and have speed. Then this scheme is UNBEATABLE
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for ppl that don’t know..BLITZING and BEING AGGRESSIVE are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS, just because someone doesn’t blitz DOES NOT mean the coach isn’t “aggressive”
On point. Blitz ≠ aggressive. What I see as aggressive is gang tackling, going for the ball, in-your-face styles
Agreed. I think blitzing (and how it's done) is part of the equation but not the entire formula. For example, one of the Eagles main blitzes the past season was getting into their Penny (5-1) front and rushing all the on ball defenders trying to get one-on-one match ups. While it has it's uses, it's not as aggressive as Fangio's designs that aim to manipulate protection and force the issue by getting unblocked defenders or forcing backs to block.
Like you said, relentless pursuit, attacking blockers, DBs that stick their face in traffic, trying to punch the ball out or go for strip sacks, turning into the WR when the ball is in the air are all signs of an aggressive defense.
@@PhillyFilmRoom He won't be called Hit Stick Fangio for nothing
It definitely isn’t “COMPLETELY” different lol blitzing falls under being aggressive but isn’t the only aggressive way to scheme a defense…the notion of blitzing is literally aggression 😂😂
@@terrancecollins2696I feel like you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously blitzing is aggressive, he’s just saying that just because a defensive coordinator doesn’t blitz a lot doesn’t mean he isn’t aggressive
Definitely my favorite channel for eagles film. Always break it down clearly and in an interesting fashion. Love it bro
Mission accomplished!
By FAR! And ima Giants fan😭
Dolphin fan here. Philly just got one hell of a coordinator. We upgraded in every category and Dolphin total defense improved from bottom half to a top ten overall defense. Philly just hit the jackpot.
With the pieces they've added and the pieces they got back (and the ones they currently have)... Where would you say they could rank?
Recent
Additions:
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Gardner-Johnson
Bryce Huff
Quinyon Mitchell
Cooper DeJean
Jaylix Hunt
Always interested to hear an outside non-biased opinion. Congrats on OBJ
These breakdowns make understanding the game much easier!
This is another great breakdown. You don't miss, my man. I often wondered why we never got another Jim Johnson along the way. Did offenses figure out the schemes? I loved those aggressive blitz schemes. Having Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, and B Dawk back there made things a lot easier, I know.
Appreciate it! Those zone blitz heavy defenses were better at handling those "old school" offenses that used more heavy personnel and condensed formations. Teams started to spread them out and take advantage of the extra space allowed from less defenders in coverage.
Fangio coached with and under Dom Capers and his zone blitz heavy teams for a long time, the bonus dropper Fangio uses is just an evolution of those zone blitz defenses to help deal with spread formations.
Of course, there are coordinators like Wink Martindale that still blitz a ton, but they often paired it with a lot more man coverage. Although Brian Flores started utilizing a lot more blitz heavy zone principles this past season after learning a lot from Pat Narduzzi when he spent a year in Pittsburgh.
Vic fangio "i am always looking for MORE"...real defense coordinator 🔥🔥🔥..the scheme is LEGIT...😮
In fangio scheme you need good linebacker play and good safety play... Sidney may fit well in this scheme when he comes back but in the draft i feel like Howie is gonna have to change his draft pattern and take a safety pretty high..maybe one of those 2 round picks...thay 22 pick i see him goin o line which is fine but edge and safety must be addressed...get a corner in free agency if possible
Devin white is going to be scary running those blitzes
I have been looking for a breakdown like this since Fangio got hired. Thanks man. This is exactly what I wanted. You did a great job. Got a follow from me for sure.
Great stuff 👏🏾 appreciate this deep dive on defense for the NFL
Your videos are like crack. Love these breakdowns!
Solid work!
If no one hires Wink Martindale, he'd be a awesome consultant on blitz packages based on this video. I like this model. This seems to be similar to the old Dick Lebeau Pittsburgh Steelers' fire zone blitz pressure packages utilized @ 15 years ago.
Wink actually just got hired by the University of Michigan. But that's exactly where this came from! Dick LeBeau was a DB coach for Dom Capers when he was the DC with the Steelers in the early 90s. Together they built their fire zone blitz package and when Capers left to be HC for the Panthers, he brought in Fangio to be his DC. Capers later became HC for the Texans and Fangio was his DC there too. Fangio has just added this little wrinkle to help deal with spread formations that were exploiting some of the weaknesses of the fire zone defenses that Capers/LeBeau built.
@@PhillyFilmRoom Oh wow. I didn't know that Michigan was set to hire him. Yo, thanks for that info. I didn't know that connection. I didn't know Fangio was a part of their staff. I didn't pay attention in the '90s on position coaches. I have to admit I love your channel. You're very knowledgeable about the game. Very impressive. I played LB and that was in the late 70s so I didn't focus on coverages, and things were not complex. Our defensive philosophy was "see ball get ball!" LOL :) (BTW, this is my wife's computer; why you see her name).
As a Broncos fan (3 years of Fangio defense/ head coach) i have some insight for philly fans. The defense is gunna look bad early (hard to learn) and wont look great until year 2...many players cannot fit this scheme (expect many defensive roster changes on defense after year 1). You'll be soft in between the 20s and lock down in the redzone. Players generally don't like Vic and refer to him as "old school", a "curmudgeon", and more of "you fit my scheme" rather than a "make the scheme fit you" type of guy. Even the most easy to get along guys like Justin Simmons (former all pro fangio saftey) doesn't want to play in philly BECAUSE of Vic and Justin is a Walter Payton Man of the year kind of guy. You will need ELITE safety play for it to work also (he asks a lot from his safeties) and if you don't, expect BIG gashes in between the 20's.
LOL. As a eagles fan your team has never had the kind of talent eagles currently have. Vic made diamonds out of some dirt . Eagles are loaded with guys who already are buying into the scheme and we have the versatile peices to make it work. I agree year 2 will look better than year 1 . But we still gonna be better than last year. And that's all that matters
@@Just_A_Thought1217 it's not about being loaded or not. Vic doesn't utilize his talent the way that many others do. His CBs always play 2-5yds off the receiver (allowing easy short catches). Almost never blitzs (occasional nickle blitzes) and hopes that 4 can get home. His scheme is heavily reliant around hyper athletes that can cover at ILB. If you don't have the ILB, you're gunna have a bad time. He's also up there in age and his players don't like playing for him. Best of luck 👍
@@JF-- ok. So I see eagles with a lot of speed at LB. Nolan smith/ Devin white/ nakobe / baun
Eagles D can't get any worse than last season really..lol.
Hopefully Fangio is what the Dr ordered
@kaukey depends on the personal yall have. Like I said expect whole sale changes next year if Vic is retained...he pushes players hard and quickly out stays his welcome
I appreciate your videos so much - thanks!!
Glad you enjoy them!
Counter argument is to watch, “how one man destroyed nfl defenses”. Scheme wise I have issues but his hurdle for success will be primarily who is starting LBs and Secondary will be. If Howie dictates Nakobe Dean and Bradberry and his current safety’s then it will Fail. Oh it’s true, true!
Your comment didn't age well 😆 🤣
I’m here taking notes for my next madden game 😂😅
Using it now 😂😂😂
This move has really grown on me. I really like both of the new coordinator hires. Let's nail this draft, acquire a few veterans along the second and third levels of the defense, and possibly get a legitimate veteran #3 receiver after the inevitable annual Howie Roseman restructures.
Absolutely nailed it
RIP JIM JOHNSON.... my personal favorite DC ever... agreed with statement Eagles fans long for aggressive DC! Been eagles fan over 30 yrs, from Ray Rhodes to my man Jim Johnson I've been praying for an aggressive DC in philly! Get after they asses VIC!! Often imitated never duplicated VIC SCHEME! Don't need to blitz to be aggressive. EAGLES team is stacked amd full of good rushers from first second and 3rd level! Minus hurts turnovers this team has a chance to be special
Idk how this channel hasnt blown up
Think I just found my favorite film breakdown channel 💯
thank you so much for making this video. I love film study.
Breakdowns are 🔥🔥
Is Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat going to be outside linebackers in this system?
Brilliantly done bro.
Good watch
Now if the Eagles can only get the right players who are capable of executing Fangio's scheme.
New favorite eagles channel
I was just thinking about this the other day this dude might not “blitz” much but I think it’s just a different form of blitzing, it’s all positioning
Yeah it's all pressure looks, just in a different form. It's evolved over time to deal with different ways offenses try to attack.
what does this blitz look like in a 5 man front? does it exist?
It's not a blitz he runs from a 5 man front. In 5 man fronts he's usually trying to manipulate the guard and center and send A gap pressures
Needed to see this today!
Fritz Shurmer and Bill Belichick (when he was DC for NYG) I believe ran similar style Defenses (Eagle or some shit) and would give the Joe Montana 49ers fits at times.
To play in fangios defense you have to be able to really tackle well and also you have to be able to flat be aggressive to the ball
I think Blankenship will surprise a lot of people in this scheme. He doesn’t get enough credit, he had the 4th highest pff grade out of his entire draft class mid-season
That's why they're looking to add Simmons...lol
The problem is that yes Vic Fangio came up with all the soft coverage stuff but he adjusts his coverages accordingly but his disciples don't and instead aim to protect their defense against explosive plays which may help your ppg but limits the ceiling of your defense
Oh shut up. When eagles went to super bowl, u wasnt complaining? Vic fangio is way better than gannon. Eagles dont have good corners to play a heavy blitz scheme.
@@bussyness1yes I was complaining I seen the issue all year winning doesn't mask deficiencies to me
Yes Fangio ask Lamar and the Ravens about Fangio they put 56 points on his great defense other teams will also adjust to the Eagirls defense and give a hard tackle on Smith and Brown as the fumble away catches that Hurts won't like
Gonna just sit there and ignore the Dolphins had major injuries in that game. Then you want people to think you know what you're talking about. Funnt
You can have him.
This is someone else's video..ik because i watched it..its actually a month old video
As long as we don’t have LBs no matter the scheme it ain’t gonna work
we just need the right personell
Reddick and Nolan Smith are those hybrid edge defenders that work well in this type of defense. But they need to get faster at LB for sure and add another piece at safety.
For as long as he has been around, dont you think the rest of the NFL kinda knows him really well ? How much has he changed the core points of his system ?
Spags is doing pretty good. He’s been around for a while too. I get what you’re saying tho. That’s how I felt when we got Kellen Moore because cowboys might be familiar with his schemes too
these guys are human too, i think they will adapt and get better just like players do
By that logic, we should’ve had the greatest offense and defense in the league last year with basically two first time coordinators on both sides of the ball. These guys have continued success in the league for a reason; they have extremely high football IQ, they make the most out of the personnel they have, and they’re not afraid to make adjustments.
It's not like he's the only long tenured coach in the NFL. Belichick has been running similar variations of his system for close to 40 years now and they've consistently had really good defenses. Really, we overrate scheme too much because it's easy to put coaches/schemes in buckets and say this is the scheme they run. Teaching, game planning, adjusting within game and getting players to execute the system are far more important than the actual system. These coaches all add bits and pieces to their defenses over the years too.
@@StavogoldKellen Moore exploring new things though
Need a mid season update💯 @philly film room
He don't even hold a candle to Jim johnson
I’m all for giving it another year with the Fangio scheme with the man himself….however….if we have the same fall apart season we did this year on defense then we need to shy away from it and try something else. As it was illustrated in your video though I think it will be a good call, but only because we have the actual Fangio, if we were just getting a disciple then I would be tuning out next year lol
😆 Good luck Fangio. He's not going to use your players to the best of their ability and to their maximum potential.
Just because he's "aggressive" doesn't mean that we're not tired of seeing this scheme.
That's understandable. There are some differences between what we've run the past few years and Fangio himself.
If the 49ers didn't wait so late to fire Steve Wilks I'm sure the Eagles would've looked into hiring him.
That defensive scheme had us playing in the Super Bowl
solid
😂😝😆😆😝 Good luck!
I'll believe it when I see it. Also, I completely disagree with dropping an edge rusher into coverage.
I mean, I just showed you and then provided stats to back it up. And I get it about dropping edge rushers, different coaches have different styles and philosophies about it. It has been a very successful strategy for a long time though with it happening a significant amount under coaches like Belichick, Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, Saban, Kirby Smart, and all of those great Ravens and Steelers defenses of the 2000s just to name a few. Even Jim Johnson dropped edge rushers in his zone blitz schemes.
This means nothing... If our position coaches can't coach their way out of peewee practice it won't matter what scheme or who's scheme it is. The eagles problem isn't the schemes is the poorly ran practices Nick Siriani has been running.
I don't care I've seen enough of vics scheme and the eagles won't run it right anyway because it's the eagles
The only weakness is the flats, which is why to PERFECT this scheme you need linebacks that can cover, stop the run and have speed. Then this scheme is UNBEATABLE
Fangio overrated