There is a huge emphasis on standardization in the US development system. That was something we lacked before and there were audits back in the early 2000’s and when we didn’t make the youth world cups in the early 2010’s. How do we make sure all of our teams are following the same style of play, huge emphasis on technical ability, nutrition, prep, and the diversification of the play pool enriching the entire pool. Now all the MLS academies have vested interest in developing players with multiple abilities even if they’re not in the championship hunt. You have USL also developing players to sell because it’s good business for them. The players are ready to join the national team with that familiarity so it’s easy to build on youth and continue towards the senior national team. We’re also building the norm to get into and stay on the national team you have to be in Europe. There is a pressure to succeed and get to the highest level. If you’re not there then you’re not amongst our best players. Not only is Mexican players not developing past 19/20 years old in LigaMx, they’re also not ready to face their peers at that age group who’ve gained so much experience at a higher level between the ages of 17-21. A lot of that age group already is playing professionally and have massive league games in Europe under their belt. USYNT Paxton Aaronson for example has over 1000 minutes in Europe this season (360 minutes in Bundesliga and 640 minutes in Belgium on loan) and he’s 21. He has one senior US cap. Name other Mexico born players in Europe at that age group with that minutes who has only 1 appearance with El Tri senior team? Santi is the youngest Mexican player with that sort of profile but there aren’t any one else or a two squads deep like the US has with just players developing without a senior call up yet. This excludes all the potential dual nats the US could call up steep in the German youth system, or in England. A lot of US dual nats have been call up by Germany. Some are captains of GER youth teams. That is the big difference in what is happening with the US and what isn’t happening with Mexico from what I see.
Someone give this cuh a tequila shot! Well put my man. As much as it pains me (Adrián) to read this, I cannot help to just nod in agreement. This is the biggest reason why I have lost all hope in México and its future at the football international stage. But you are absolutely right regarding standardization. We made a video back when Diego Cocca started as head coach of El Tri. He promised to standardize the style of play across all levels of MX football. From the u15s to the main team, all to play the same style. He was then fired 2 months later. A coach needs to be brought in long term to create a culture and a style of play that resonates all levels of MX football
Love y'alls channel precisely because you have great insight into el tri and liga MX! I really think there's space for you all in the USMNT because of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about the goings-on of the soccer landscape south of the border. Interesting points, and I hope Mexico figures it out. The better the competition the better it'll make the USMNT. Though I'm pessimistic about our own youth development falling off to some degree, now that MLS 2 teams pulled out of USL. Anyways, appreciate what y'all do.
mexco has NOT gotten worse, but rather everyone else has improved, particularly the USA and Canada. mexco still beats the same teams, and still competes well against most teams they play… so, I’d say mexco is more or less the same they’ve been for decades, a decent mid level team that occasionally beats big teams and beats the teams they’re supposed to beat, it’s just not the USA/Canada anymore. Plus, one has to consider that the MLS hasn’t just helped the USA, but also Canadian and other Central American players as well. LigaMX is not the only North American league anymore..
Agreed, México thought it would take ages for other teams in the CONCACAF region to catch up to them. Doña Fede has made terrible choices and didn't realize that football has changed. México is on the edge of becoming an isolated popular team.
@@puropinchegol Despite what everyone says, promotion/relegation would NOT work, as it only serves the 2-3 “big” teams as evidenced in EVERY soccer league in the world that practices it. However, when NOT implemented it would probably allow for more competitive parity between teams, with less gaps between the top vs bottom teams, but there’s also a playoff which is a form of relegation for teams not participating within a season .
The USA will always respect Mexico. Better organized. Better financed. Many times larger population to draw athletes. Rapidly increasing popularity of soccer. Hundreds of players in Europe developing talent and experience. The days of fearing to play Mexico are long gone and never to return.
Amen, brother. It seems like México is on a long downward spiral and FEMEXFUT isn't willing to make drastic changes. The norm now is to get beaten by the USMNT...
Gr8 video. Only way we can truly kick start this project is to leave the Liga MX conformistas and viejas sagradas at home and replace them with young players and dual nationals. We may not perform so well but at least the youngsters get experience in a major tournament to prep them for the World Cup at Home
Yeah it starts with LigaMX having youth systems, once the younger guys start to have success around 16,17, 18 they get moved into the senior team...have them there for a year or 2 and then the good ones move into a European system. They either sink or swim there, the ones that sink come back home and have a nice career in the domestic league while the european success stories make up the bulk of your national team. That's how the USA is doing it at the moment. It should be said too, the MLS has been a huge bonus for concacaf as a whole. It is improving many concacaf teams, such as Canada, Panama, Jamaica, El Salvador, etc. It's making the region as a whole better.
My 23 for Copa America Malagon, Ochoa (2nd choice), Tapia Jogo, Vázquez, Montes, Chiquete, Toro Guzmán, Araujo, Sánchez Chavez, Edson, Chiquito, Luna, Ambriz, Marcel, Pineda Santi, Lozano, Quiñones, Huerta, Johan Gomez, Ozziel Herrera 12 play in Europe 10 are U23 6 are dual-nationals 1 naturalizado
I dont think mexico played badly its just that the US has improved, moms taking there kids to soccer for thirty years is reaping rewards. The mexican futbol federation firing cocca a succesful coach just because they were embarrased didn't help el tri either.
LMAO, soccer moms are the true heroes of the USMNT! As some old folks say, you reap what you sow, and Doña Fede alongside LigaMX haven't done anything right over the last 20 years. El maldito y cochino dinero is their main driver; always living for today and completely disregarding the tomorrow.
Wild take but I feel like Mexico missing out on a World Cup is needed at this point and it would give the Federation the kick in the rear end that is needed to make the changes that are sorely needed because they would lose out the one thing they actually care about which is money and I say this as a USMNT fan, when we missed the World Cup in 2018 that made us make wholesale changes that were sorely needed to revamp everything within U.S. soccer (there’s still more room for improvement) at this point Mexico needs to miss a World Cup for any real change to happen and that statement is sad
Can you guys speak to how the US is doing ok without anyone saying that there’s too many foreigners in MLS? I keep hearing that point over and over in Mexican commentary. To me that’s a smoke screen for over paying for Mexican talent and pricing them out of starter teams in Europe for example.
It's really a complicated situation and hard to directly compare the 2 leagues on this issue, but I'll tell you only what I observe as an outsider looking in: It seems to me that Mexican clubs play a *very* big role in the lives of Mexican sports fans... they are a big part of the culture and specifically, a very big factor is driving the popularity of the sport itself. As a result, I would expect the top young Mexican talents to be very enthusiastic in coming up through the local club ranks... to be admired and cheered on by the Mexican public. Not so in the US... MLS ranks relatively low in popularity among all US pro sports leagues and has nowhere near the amount of national "weight" that Mexican clubs have in Mexico. Which means that the popularity of soccer (in general) and the US national team isn't really tied directly to MLS... they are separate entities that co-exist separately. As a result of this (by contrast), young US players don't have that strong desire to come up and play on an MLS team the way young Mexican hopefuls do with Mexican clubs... MLS fans don't really have any expectation whatsoever that their local MS team should be "developing" talent for the national team anyway. So nobody really makes much of a fuss about the number of foreign players in MLS, simply because nobody sees MLS as the best way to develop young talent... it's assumed that any *great* young prospect won't even be developing in the US to start with, they will be picked up by Euro clubs early on. The other factor is the one you alluded to... the much bigger salaries available to Mexican players by their clubs (and local fame level) makes it very difficult to leave or even want to go play elsewhere - this situation doesn't exist in MLS at all.
Chef's kiss to this reply! The only thing I (Adrián) could add is the homesick factor. There's this thing in México called "el mal del Jamaicón" (The Jamaicón's Curse). This happens when a Mexican cannot adapt to a new environment, due to an intense yearning of going back home. This syndrome was first denoted back in the 50's (I could be extremely wrong so please fact check me) during a tour México did either as prep for a WC or just for the sake of touring. Lastly, Octavio Paz also touches this subject on his book The Labyrinth of Solitude; a must read for any Mexican (or Mexican-American) living in the US.
The scary part of this situation. The US has a ton of young talent coming up, it could be a very long time before Mexico is on top again
Not in the next 3 WC periods, for sure!
There is a huge emphasis on standardization in the US development system. That was something we lacked before and there were audits back in the early 2000’s and when we didn’t make the youth world cups in the early 2010’s. How do we make sure all of our teams are following the same style of play, huge emphasis on technical ability, nutrition, prep, and the diversification of the play pool enriching the entire pool. Now all the MLS academies have vested interest in developing players with multiple abilities even if they’re not in the championship hunt. You have USL also developing players to sell because it’s good business for them. The players are ready to join the national team with that familiarity so it’s easy to build on youth and continue towards the senior national team. We’re also building the norm to get into and stay on the national team you have to be in Europe. There is a pressure to succeed and get to the highest level. If you’re not there then you’re not amongst our best players.
Not only is Mexican players not developing past 19/20 years old in LigaMx, they’re also not ready to face their peers at that age group who’ve gained so much experience at a higher level between the ages of 17-21. A lot of that age group already is playing professionally and have massive league games in Europe under their belt.
USYNT Paxton Aaronson for example has over 1000 minutes in Europe this season (360 minutes in Bundesliga and 640 minutes in Belgium on loan) and he’s 21. He has one senior US cap. Name other Mexico born players in Europe at that age group with that minutes who has only 1 appearance with El Tri senior team? Santi is the youngest Mexican player with that sort of profile but there aren’t any one else or a two squads deep like the US has with just players developing without a senior call up yet. This excludes all the potential dual nats the US could call up steep in the German youth system, or in England. A lot of US dual nats have been call up by Germany. Some are captains of GER youth teams.
That is the big difference in what is happening with the US and what isn’t happening with Mexico from what I see.
Someone give this cuh a tequila shot! Well put my man. As much as it pains me (Adrián) to read this, I cannot help to just nod in agreement. This is the biggest reason why I have lost all hope in México and its future at the football international stage.
But you are absolutely right regarding standardization. We made a video back when Diego Cocca started as head coach of El Tri. He promised to standardize the style of play across all levels of MX football. From the u15s to the main team, all to play the same style. He was then fired 2 months later. A coach needs to be brought in long term to create a culture and a style of play that resonates all levels of MX football
Love y'alls channel precisely because you have great insight into el tri and liga MX! I really think there's space for you all in the USMNT because of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about the goings-on of the soccer landscape south of the border. Interesting points, and I hope Mexico figures it out. The better the competition the better it'll make the USMNT. Though I'm pessimistic about our own youth development falling off to some degree, now that MLS 2 teams pulled out of USL. Anyways, appreciate what y'all do.
Thank you for watching and for the kind words🙌🏻 means a lot!
Agree regarding MLS2 & USL, Don Garber not making good decisions as of late
mexco has NOT gotten worse, but rather everyone else has improved, particularly the USA and Canada. mexco still beats the same teams, and still competes well against most teams they play… so, I’d say mexco is more or less the same they’ve been for decades, a decent mid level team that occasionally beats big teams and beats the teams they’re supposed to beat, it’s just not the USA/Canada anymore.
Plus, one has to consider that the MLS hasn’t just helped the USA, but also Canadian and other Central American players as well. LigaMX is not the only North American league anymore..
Agreed, México thought it would take ages for other teams in the CONCACAF region to catch up to them. Doña Fede has made terrible choices and didn't realize that football has changed. México is on the edge of becoming an isolated popular team.
@@puropinchegol
Despite what everyone says, promotion/relegation would NOT work, as it only serves the 2-3 “big” teams as evidenced in EVERY soccer league in the world that practices it.
However, when NOT implemented it would probably allow for more competitive parity between teams, with less gaps between the top vs bottom teams, but there’s also a playoff which is a form of relegation for teams not participating within a season .
The USA will always respect Mexico. Better organized. Better financed. Many times larger population to draw athletes. Rapidly increasing popularity of soccer. Hundreds of players in Europe developing talent and experience. The days of fearing to play Mexico are long gone and never to return.
Amen, brother. It seems like México is on a long downward spiral and FEMEXFUT isn't willing to make drastic changes. The norm now is to get beaten by the USMNT...
Gr8 video. Only way we can truly kick start this project is to leave the Liga MX conformistas and viejas sagradas at home and replace them with young players and dual nationals. We may not perform so well but at least the youngsters get experience in a major tournament to prep them for the World Cup at Home
DOÑA FEDE Y SUS AMIGOS GOTTA GO!!!!
Yeah it starts with LigaMX having youth systems, once the younger guys start to have success around 16,17, 18 they get moved into the senior team...have them there for a year or 2 and then the good ones move into a European system. They either sink or swim there, the ones that sink come back home and have a nice career in the domestic league while the european success stories make up the bulk of your national team. That's how the USA is doing it at the moment. It should be said too, the MLS has been a huge bonus for concacaf as a whole. It is improving many concacaf teams, such as Canada, Panama, Jamaica, El Salvador, etc. It's making the region as a whole better.
My 23 for Copa America
Malagon, Ochoa (2nd choice), Tapia
Jogo, Vázquez, Montes, Chiquete, Toro Guzmán, Araujo, Sánchez
Chavez, Edson, Chiquito, Luna, Ambriz, Marcel, Pineda
Santi, Lozano, Quiñones, Huerta, Johan Gomez, Ozziel Herrera
12 play in Europe
10 are U23
6 are dual-nationals
1 naturalizado
Good list, lots of young talent hungry for a chance that would give it all for the shirt
I dont think mexico played badly its just that the US has improved, moms taking there kids to soccer for thirty years is reaping rewards. The mexican futbol federation firing cocca a succesful coach just because they were embarrased didn't help el tri either.
LMAO, soccer moms are the true heroes of the USMNT! As some old folks say, you reap what you sow, and Doña Fede alongside LigaMX haven't done anything right over the last 20 years. El maldito y cochino dinero is their main driver; always living for today and completely disregarding the tomorrow.
Wild take but I feel like Mexico missing out on a World Cup is needed at this point and it would give the Federation the kick in the rear end that is needed to make the changes that are sorely needed because they would lose out the one thing they actually care about which is money and I say this as a USMNT fan, when we missed the World Cup in 2018 that made us make wholesale changes that were sorely needed to revamp everything within U.S. soccer (there’s still more room for improvement) at this point Mexico needs to miss a World Cup for any real change to happen and that statement is sad
Una vez mas,dos a cero! Viva Los Estados Unidos! 😎🤙
For the federation to stop being corrupt and Jaime Lozano to start using his brain that’s it 😂
Can you guys speak to how the US is doing ok without anyone saying that there’s too many foreigners in MLS? I keep hearing that point over and over in Mexican commentary. To me that’s a smoke screen for over paying for Mexican talent and pricing them out of starter teams in Europe for example.
It's really a complicated situation and hard to directly compare the 2 leagues on this issue, but I'll tell you only what I observe as an outsider looking in:
It seems to me that Mexican clubs play a *very* big role in the lives of Mexican sports fans... they are a big part of the culture and specifically, a very big factor is driving the popularity of the sport itself.
As a result, I would expect the top young Mexican talents to be very enthusiastic in coming up through the local club ranks... to be admired and cheered on by the Mexican public.
Not so in the US... MLS ranks relatively low in popularity among all US pro sports leagues and has nowhere near the amount of national "weight" that Mexican clubs have in Mexico.
Which means that the popularity of soccer (in general) and the US national team isn't really tied directly to MLS... they are separate entities that co-exist separately.
As a result of this (by contrast), young US players don't have that strong desire to come up and play on an MLS team the way young Mexican hopefuls do with Mexican clubs... MLS fans don't really have any expectation whatsoever that their local MS team should be "developing" talent for the national team anyway.
So nobody really makes much of a fuss about the number of foreign players in MLS, simply because nobody sees MLS as the best way to develop young talent... it's assumed that any *great* young prospect won't even be developing in the US to start with, they will be picked up by Euro clubs early on.
The other factor is the one you alluded to... the much bigger salaries available to Mexican players by their clubs (and local fame level) makes it very difficult to leave or even want to go play elsewhere - this situation doesn't exist in MLS at all.
Chef's kiss to this reply! The only thing I (Adrián) could add is the homesick factor. There's this thing in México called "el mal del Jamaicón" (The Jamaicón's Curse). This happens when a Mexican cannot adapt to a new environment, due to an intense yearning of going back home. This syndrome was first denoted back in the 50's (I could be extremely wrong so please fact check me) during a tour México did either as prep for a WC or just for the sake of touring. Lastly, Octavio Paz also touches this subject on his book The Labyrinth of Solitude; a must read for any Mexican (or Mexican-American) living in the US.
Noted, Cuzzo! We have something similar to this on our queue!
To put it in simple terms, MLS doesn’t reflect the usmnt because the MLS is a selling league. Liga MX is not.
Every teams improve in Concacaf The USA Panamá Canadá Jamaica 😂
With the exemptions of Guatemala and Honduras LMAOOOOO