I spent lots of time there! But not diving down in that cold hole that's for sure. I was stationed at Ft. Leonard Wood,just down the road & lived in Waynesville for a couple years in the mid 80's. Most of my time was sitting on the bank of the spring or up stream floating down the Roubidoux drinking cold beer😁I remember one time I was sitting by the spring, close to an hour or so, & started seeing a bunch more bubbles come up. About a minute later 4 or 5 divers came out of there, that kinda freaked me out back then. But I did have a great time living there. Thanks for the memory bro
Thanks for watching. It can get fairly complicated but that comes as you start doing more technical dives. With practice it’s no more difficult than suiting up in a recreational setup, just more steps. Maybe some day you’ll give diving a try. It’s lots of fun.
Def a must for any cave diver. I live in the Midwest and like to dive all year long so cave diving is the only option in the winter. I don’t mind the cold and the water is a balmy 50 ish degrees all year no mater the outside temp. lol
It’s always a great time. Can’t wait to go back when there’s slightly less flow. Lol. Next time I’ll bring a couple AL80’s for staged bailout to go farther in. It was just starting to get I interesting when we turned the dive.
Look into H style harnesses instead of the Y style. Xdeep’s can be H’ed but Katana 2’s convert more easily. H style will make donning the rig so much easier.
I have a Katana 2. I tried the H style configuration. I didn’t like it. I’ve since gotten better at putting the rig on. Though the current was my biggest obstacle that day so I don’t think I’d be any more graceful today under the same conditions.
Having one of those small foldable Black/Red tables for your sidewinder makes all the difference if you do not have picnic tables around. I have used my sidewinder on small pangas in Truk and its a struggle like you said but that looked painful with the level you were at.
Lol. It’s more cumbersome than painful but I get what your saying. The biggest problem I had there was the current blowing me around. I typically use the tailgate of my truck. However, since my last video, I’ve done a few dives with different undergarments. Completely changed how much weight I need. Dropped 12 pounds which makes a world of difference when suiting up.
I’ve been thinking about how to go about putting something like that together along with my experience during the training. Hoping to have it out soon. Thanks for watching.
Considering you’re using AL80’s, 24 lbs is pretty good. I knocked it down to 14 lbs with LP50’s by changing my heavy undergarment to one that is much more form fitting.
@@familyscuba1292 btw going to Gilboa Monday I am doing a check dive with my instructor for advanced nitrox afterwards I plan on doing deco next. Will keep you posted
@@ivoryjohnson4662 That’s awesome! Can’t wait to hear all about it. Also, I have the same problem. I’m 6’04” and 200 lbs. Finding things that fit is a pain. I ended up going with the Halo 3D because they have tall sizes. Made a huge difference.
Very interesting. If you were diving just a single tank and back plate.?? ... With your current undersuit how much lead do you think you would be using?
Well……to be honest I don’t know. I would guess about the same or a little less if it was a SS backplate and a heavy HP100. Two LP50’s are heavier than one HP100 but I suspect not by much. I would essentially be able to drop the weight needed to counter weigh the ccr counter lung. I was diving HP100’s in sidemount using 14 lbs before the CCR. I hope that makes sense or answered your question.
@@familyscuba1292 yes all good. Just seemed alot of lead with your CCR. I'm finding that with a Trilaminate Drysuit and a Santi undersuit I'm needing alot if lead in cold water
@@JURASSICCOASTMODELLER so many factors when it comes to weighting. I’m naturally very leg heavy so I carry all my weight up high to get my trim right. I also have a waterproof D1x that traps a ton of gas. I don’t even want to try using that in cold water with the CCR. I’d need like 40 lbs!
We see trout and bass at the mouth and going in and out all the time. Did you see anything more than the sunny in there? Is it safe to dive to that first sign or do you have to be cave certified to even go that far?
We didn’t see many fish inside beyond the area where light still gets in. To dive this location you need to be at least cavern certified. That will get you to the sign. You need Full cave to dive further back. Given the depth and how quickly it gets deep it’s almost not worth it unless you are certified to do decompression dives as well. On all accounts it’s a pretty serious dive. Divers have gotten certified at that location. Get your cavern cert. Maybe you’ll stop at cavern or maybe you’ll catch the bug like the rest of us.
You mentioned "over breathing" the rebreather when you got your initial training did you go through training on that? Also what are options when there is high activity? (hope those are not to dumb)
Those are all good questions. Yes, the “over breathing” issues are covered in the training as well as how gas density can create work of breathing issues. In a nutshell, everything done in a rebreather should be as slow and easy as possible. Not always possible, especially when clawing your way past some rough flow in caves. Once you know your unit, your own physical limitations, and best way to approach flow, it all works out great.
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We where using air. Not ideal and frowned upon for those depths. We have done multiple dives deeper on 21% without any WOB issues, however we were also very well aware of the limitations/problems with higher work loads. That’s part of the reason we ended that dive early, just to be safe. I will say, neither of us felt like we had any harder time breathing than any other high flow cave dive. To each there own I guess. We know what our limitations are and stay within our own boundaries. The cave is definitely backmount friendly. Many use back mounted CCR there.
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Thank you for this video and the good example you set for cave diving.
Thank you.
Just watched this video. You did a great job with your descriptiveness.
Thank you.
I spent lots of time there! But not diving down in that cold hole that's for sure. I was stationed at Ft. Leonard Wood,just down the road & lived in Waynesville for a couple years in the mid 80's. Most of my time was sitting on the bank of the spring or up stream floating down the Roubidoux drinking cold beer😁I remember one time I was sitting by the spring, close to an hour or so, & started seeing a bunch more bubbles come up. About a minute later 4 or 5 divers came out of there, that kinda freaked me out back then. But I did have a great time living there. Thanks for the memory bro
That’s awesome. My daughter is in Ft. Leonard Wood. It’s a really cool area by the spring.
Really cool to see the set-up. I'm not a diver but it is extremely interesting to watch. Great video!
Thanks for watching. It can get fairly complicated but that comes as you start doing more technical dives. With practice it’s no more difficult than suiting up in a recreational setup, just more steps. Maybe some day you’ll give diving a try. It’s lots of fun.
Used to live here i was so curious thank you.
Glad you liked it.
Been trying to get up there since last may lol. It’s too cold outside for me now, so hopefully when summer comes back around I’ll dive it!
Def a must for any cave diver. I live in the Midwest and like to dive all year long so cave diving is the only option in the winter. I don’t mind the cold and the water is a balmy 50 ish degrees all year no mater the outside temp. lol
Loved it! I hope you had fun while doing this dive.
It’s always a great time. Can’t wait to go back when there’s slightly less flow. Lol. Next time I’ll bring a couple AL80’s for staged bailout to go farther in. It was just starting to get I interesting when we turned the dive.
Awesome video.
Thanks Michal.
Great videos !
Thanks for watching.
Look into H style harnesses instead of the Y style. Xdeep’s can be H’ed but Katana 2’s convert more easily. H style will make donning the rig so much easier.
I have a Katana 2. I tried the H style configuration. I didn’t like it. I’ve since gotten better at putting the rig on. Though the current was my biggest obstacle that day so I don’t think I’d be any more graceful today under the same conditions.
Having one of those small foldable Black/Red tables for your sidewinder makes all the difference if you do not have picnic tables around. I have used my sidewinder on small pangas in Truk and its a struggle like you said but that looked painful with the level you were at.
Lol. It’s more cumbersome than painful but I get what your saying. The biggest problem I had there was the current blowing me around. I typically use the tailgate of my truck. However, since my last video, I’ve done a few dives with different undergarments. Completely changed how much weight I need. Dropped 12 pounds which makes a world of difference when suiting up.
Would be nice a video with pros & cons on this rebreather
I’ve been thinking about how to go about putting something like that together along with my experience during the training. Hoping to have it out soon. Thanks for watching.
Also about 18 min you mentioned that you do your gas planning would you mind going into that on one of your videos thanks again
I plan to. It’s just very dry and math intensive. Lots to cover.
Waynesville is about 120 miles southwest of St. Louis not west. I lived there for 5 years.
Thanks. I was giving a general direction.
I am having the same issue with my Katana 2 is the weight for dry suit I use 24 lbs using AL80s
Considering you’re using AL80’s, 24 lbs is pretty good. I knocked it down to 14 lbs with LP50’s by changing my heavy undergarment to one that is much more form fitting.
@@familyscuba1292 that’s will be my next move I am a big guy so finding that stuff takes longer for me
@@familyscuba1292 btw going to Gilboa Monday I am doing a check dive with my instructor for advanced nitrox afterwards I plan on doing deco next. Will keep you posted
@@ivoryjohnson4662 That’s awesome! Can’t wait to hear all about it. Also, I have the same problem. I’m 6’04” and 200 lbs. Finding things that fit is a pain. I ended up going with the Halo 3D because they have tall sizes. Made a huge difference.
Very interesting. If you were diving just a single tank and back plate.?? ... With your current undersuit how much lead do you think you would be using?
Well……to be honest I don’t know. I would guess about the same or a little less if it was a SS backplate and a heavy HP100. Two LP50’s are heavier than one HP100 but I suspect not by much. I would essentially be able to drop the weight needed to counter weigh the ccr counter lung. I was diving HP100’s in sidemount using 14 lbs before the CCR. I hope that makes sense or answered your question.
@@familyscuba1292 yes all good. Just seemed alot of lead with your CCR. I'm finding that with a Trilaminate Drysuit and a Santi undersuit I'm needing alot if lead in cold water
@@JURASSICCOASTMODELLER so many factors when it comes to weighting. I’m naturally very leg heavy so I carry all my weight up high to get my trim right. I also have a waterproof D1x that traps a ton of gas. I don’t even want to try using that in cold water with the CCR. I’d need like 40 lbs!
I live 20 minutes away from there I live in laquey
We see trout and bass at the mouth and going in and out all the time. Did you see anything more than the sunny in there? Is it safe to dive to that first sign or do you have to be cave certified to even go that far?
We didn’t see many fish inside beyond the area where light still gets in. To dive this location you need to be at least cavern certified. That will get you to the sign. You need Full cave to dive further back. Given the depth and how quickly it gets deep it’s almost not worth it unless you are certified to do decompression dives as well. On all accounts it’s a pretty serious dive. Divers have gotten certified at that location. Get your cavern cert. Maybe you’ll stop at cavern or maybe you’ll catch the bug like the rest of us.
Buddy should help you don it Skooby!
Hahaha. Work smarter not harder. I agree! Not a problem since shedding a lot of the weight.
Hi Randy
Not Randy. lol
You mentioned "over breathing" the rebreather when you got your initial training did you go through training on that? Also what are options when there is high activity? (hope those are not to dumb)
Those are all good questions. Yes, the “over breathing” issues are covered in the training as well as how gas density can create work of breathing issues. In a nutshell, everything done in a rebreather should be as slow and easy as possible. Not always possible, especially when clawing your way past some rough flow in caves. Once you know your unit, your own physical limitations, and best way to approach flow, it all works out great.
I was there to have a look. With other
National Speleological Society members.
To obtain a water sample.
Not radioactive I hope. Jk. Super cool place. I can’t wait to check out more in the area.
@@familyscuba1292 The US Army
has become your primary civil
authority. Because of Military/
Industrial Complex property loss
due to organized crime. And
foreign incursions from Asia
and Eastern Europe. Trials
occur at the Guam Federal
Courthouse. The island has an
infamous Federal Prison. Hot
year around, it floods. and
snake bite occurs frequently.
@@jcee2259 wut
Melted structure.
???
What are you using for dil? Backmount CCR friendly, or too small?
We where using air. Not ideal and frowned upon for those depths. We have done multiple dives deeper on 21% without any WOB issues, however we were also very well aware of the limitations/problems with higher work loads. That’s part of the reason we ended that dive early, just to be safe. I will say, neither of us felt like we had any harder time breathing than any other high flow cave dive. To each there own I guess. We know what our limitations are and stay within our own boundaries. The cave is definitely backmount friendly. Many use back mounted CCR there.
I fish there all the time
You catch anything good. I didn’t see many fish there. Maybe when the flow is lower. I don’t know anything about fishing. lol
@@familyscuba1292 I got a huge rainbow trout there it was delicious
@@peytonwilk8419 lol. Nice!
Ist der Kameramann betrunken 😅
In America we don’t dive unless drunk. Lol
An hour west of Saint Louis 😂😂😂😂 try again its 2.3 hours west of Saint Louis
🤣 I don’t know where I got an hour. 🤪