Instead of doing these long trips that we know the EVs do not shine at yet, why not do a month of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time?
I'm not surprised that there isn't much savings for road tripping, as EV public charging is expensive. The big savings with driving an EV are from home charging.
If he'd got an Ionity passport for £10.50 for the month, he'd pay 37p a kWh which would have made his trip cheaper at £137.37 and any other away from home charging using Ionity for the rest of that month would have been at the lower rate. but also the figure would be lower as you'd charge to 100% before you left at 7p a kwh or less.
10 stops for the tesla in 1000 miles. So that works out 100 miles per charge!! There is something wrong going on here. There is no way a Tesla will only go 100 miles then need a charge, and I'm a diesel car driver!
a lot of the charges were not full charges if you watch the full video they comment that it was only filled to 60% and a lot of the stops would to eat etc.
At 7:07 how are you complaining about getting 150 kw charging instead of 250 kw when you went to a V2 supercharger which maxes out at 150 kw instead of a V3.. If you had used just some basic on screen navigation you would have been able to reach a further SC instead of stopping at 35% and you would have been able to select a V3. I know they meant to test the “as is” experience but Tesla owners are used to driving beyond the navigations conservative stops and selecting for V3 over V2 chargers
@@Cyrribrae yes, if there is a choice. But it's not always that you have the choice, especially on road trips. So to me it does not hurt much even if I end up on a V2.
@@adisurd ok. I too am not overly bothered if I end up at a v2 (unless it's super late perhaps). But I certainly wouldn't say I don't care. I have a clear preference.
What are you guys doing? I do a semi regular trip from my house near Sydney to Melbourne and return 912km / 567 miles in each direction (1824km/1334 mi round trip) in my 2023 Model 3 RWD - not even the long range just the regular LFP with the small battery. I only stop 2 times in each direction for late breakfast and early dinner - exactly the same as I used to do in my ICE car - it only takes 2 x 25 min stops to do the 567miles each way - I am charging while eating and using the bathroom - it's actually quicker in my EV than it used to be in my ICE car because I would stop for 20-25 min anyway to eat and use the bathroom but I don't have to fill my car and move it before going inside - just plug it in. I charge for 8c AUD overnight and leave with a 100% charge and get back with a 15% charge - the first 250 miles and the last 210 miles cost me $6 / £3 in fuel in total and the middle 674 miles cost me an average of $88 / £45
Charging 10 times for a 1000 mile trip is ridiculous on a car with a range over 300 miles! That’s through choice not necessity. You could very conservatively charge every 200 miles and halve the charging time! Also there’s no way you wouldn’t charge overnight as an EV owner so you’d pick a hotel with a charger or one very close to a charger. Does highlight though how ridiculously high prices public charging is… complete rip off
@@leemitchell3302 still a lot of time charging! And what a nonsense, with an EV car having to decide a refill strategy!! ICE car will do 500 miles and take minutes to refill to a 100%
@@markgt894it really isn’t though because you’d charge during toilet and food stops. The guy in the Kia even said he would have made more stops in normal circumstances (where he would have charged if in an EV). So in normal circumstances you’re not really adding that much more stationary time than when driving an ICE car… unless you’re happy driving 4/5 hours without a break! I’m personally not
@@Gdank72 even then, EV cars are more expensive than ICE and EVs depreciate like a stone. Many people do at least one or two long journeys a year, an EV would just be a pain especially with kids.
That is probably partly because the Tesla route optimizes for speed and wil do charge stops from within 25% and 75%.and will often only charge about 40% of charge in about 15-20 mins. Even then 10 stops is a lot for only 1000 miles starting with 300 miles of charge. But also driving much less efficient in the Tesla than the Peugeot is weird. Suspicious even. Such a trip should be possible in 4 stops if you plan for a couple longer lunch stops charging from about 10% to 90%.
@@AlbertZonneveld Agree It's nonsense - I do a regular trip of 567 miles (1334 miles return) from my home near Sydney to Melbourne, I only have a standard range LFP car with a small battery - it only takes 2 x 20-25 min stops in each direction to do this trip. It's takes less time in my EV than my ICE car becuse I always stopped to eat and use the bathroom at least twice in my ICE car for a minimum 20min as well but instead of having to fill and move the car before I go inside I just plug in.
@@TB-up4xi good point! This is often missed when people think of how to travel with electric cars. I always stop close to chargers when I get a coffee and I plug in just in case it’s a long wait. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. And when we do stop to eat, I also plug it in. I love, just love not having to ever get in line for gas, pump the gas in the cold, go pay or struggle with the pay pass, tell everybody to meet me on the other side of the gas station, rather than do it with me, and then go from there. It’s not about time. It’s about a sane way to travel in my opinion. And keep in mind that I drive a fairly slow charging Kia Niro. I do kind of regret that part of the purchase, but otherwise it’s all fine and good.
Can’t believe they didn’t mention the autopilot feature of the Tesla! We did a road trip from North England to Paris earlier this year, the Tesla basically just drove it self! That level of comfort is priceless!
@@Twin.motors 110%! Chances are when I have to renewal the lease next year, it'll be another Tesla for that very reason, just a shame they are not as much fun to drive as a small ICE sports car (my previous care was an RS3) - but the Model Y is super practical!
@@jgogl9791I have the Model Y performance - Handling is not great, very heavy car and compared to previous cars I've had (BMW 340i, VW Golf R, Audi RS3) it's no where near as fun. I never think about taking the Model Y Performance out for a drive on the weekends, I'm not excited to get into it. The ride quality is very similar to the previous cars I've had, if you have come from performance cars with stiff dampers, you won't mind, but if you have come from a more comfortable car like Range Rover or Audi A5, you'll hate it! The speed is amazing, there are almost no other car that can beat the Model Y performance off the line - 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds! For long journeys, the Tesla is amazing, I used to dread driving long distance on my previous cars, but in the Model Y, it's amazing. To summarise, if you want a super practical family car which is relatively comfortable and still fun-ish to drive, and allows you to put bikes/prams/suite cases in the back, Tesla Model Y performance is perfect, if you want a care to set your heart racing and take out for drives on your own on weekends around Welsh country roads, this is not the car for you! I myself will be getting a smaller sports car as soon as my kids are older!
Whilst I like autopilot it’s not as good as the system my Audi Q5 had. That was less dramatic, more graceful and measured in its application and worked at higher speeds (needed in Germany).
If have made the trip from Switzerland to the north of England in both a Tesla Model 3 and Y a number of times over the last 5 years. The car plans the route and recharge stops for you. The biggest problem is not the car, but my bladder, as driving more than 3 hours at a go requires a stop. I did a 3500km trip in May this year and frankly it was so undramatic, it’s hardly worth making a video like this one…
You should see a doctor. I can get from the Black Forest back to London in a diesel BMW with just three stops - one of those being the Eurotunnel - and not even needing to refuel.
Yeah, quie surprise with the stops all 160km. Usually you do 300-350km, 1 short stop of 10mn, again 1-1h30 of driving then lunch or dinner or hôtel break. So this 2 break for 500km. 1600km, this 6-7 stops max... ah I realize that it was the e3008...
@DanRyzESPUK yeah I think they could definitely made in easily in the 3008 with 8 stops. But the e3008 consumes significantly more at highway speed than the Tesla
It's not a hole, it's horses for courses. Yeah if you wanna do your trip all in one hit an EV isn't for you but the last time I did that distance all in one hit I got out of the car in pain. So if you are like me and need to stop every couple of hundred miles the an EV is ideal but for many doing 200+ miles in one hit isn't ideal anymore.
I do believe you should have left your destination with 100% charge as anyone in an EV visiting would leave with the 100% charge. Also many people would not do the 500 mile trip in each direction without toilet and food stops. EV can plugin while driver gets refreshed. I have done an 870 mile trip in my EV and only stop was whilst we ate. Also only cost me £37 Tesla also has sentry mode running to protect your car but it does use some power.
And for the other 361 days of the year your eCar begins every morning with a full tank, never pays at a charger, leaves clean air in its wake, reduces noise pollution, needs servicing only on blue moons and it’s toasty-warm, inside, and ice-free, outside, on those “brass monkey” mornings. All for a few quid extra on your power bill at the end of the month.
Having owned EVs for 5 years, I'd say it's pretty rare to go away for 3 nights and not charge once overnight. That charge is usually less expensive and will get you to full as well. The overall result isn't too surprising though. EVs are much better for 99% of your journeys and I think this test has showed it's not too painful if you want to use it for a trip. I think petrol cars are becoming less compelling all the time. This is their only use case now.
Well said. You don't buy a car for 2% of your journeys. You buy it for the 98% of normal life journeys. Charging on night rates make it phenomenally cheap to run
Agreed. This would be a once a year journey for most people. I think I could sacrifice a couple of hours once or twice a year for the overall benefit of an EV.
@@brummiesalteno-81 like many, we have done (Kia eNiro) and it’s been brilliant over the last 3 years. I’ve done some long trips, the longest being 560 miles in a day in the UK. It was straightforward and not hugely different to an Ice car. Charging while we were eating, not running it flat then charging. If it was a Tesla it would have been even more straight forward.
Some folk live in their own little world🙄 lucky if you don’t need to travel any distance to see family, weekends away, or U.K. holidays. Even if I holiday abroad, the airport is further than the range away. Never seen free charging places at hotels I stay at! Same cars occupy all night! Who’s getting up at 3am to move their car? Infrastructure needs to improve big time.
Why does the trip planner for the Tesla show just 2 stops for the outward trip? That's 4 or a maximum of 5 for the return trip. Your test has no resemblance to fact unless you can explain why you needed more than twice the number stops that the Tesla planner calculated.
They do say in the video they did stop and charge whilst doing filming and with some charging upto 100%. Anyone with an EV knows it's pointless and a waste of time charging above 80% on fast charging tbh I rarely go above 60% as its quicker driving to another charging stop with lower battery. I'm based up in the midlands and its tell me the same trip will done in 7 charges and only 2 hours and 23 minutes of charging for an extra 240 miles of distance as well. That's with the less efficient model 3 performance
What a load of nonsense! 10 stops to do 1000 miles in the Tesla. Did the driver have a weak bladder? I regularly do 250 miles trips on a single charge in my Model 3. If you guys want to report on EVs - learn how to drive them.
@@markgt894 Does an ICE recharge at home with 10 seconds of your time to plug it in? Does it start every day with a full tank, such that you don't need to *think* about range or refueling in day-to-day driving?
@@markgt894 the EV will be charging whilst doing something else, eating dinner etc, whereas a dinosaur car would be sat there just taking up space while the driver is eating
@@markgt894 You only charge to 100% if you are 250 miles to next charger, or you are clueless, or not smart enough to search on how to charge an EV while traveling.
Very poor planning. Charge while the car is stopped anyway; eating, visiting the facilities etc, and always book a hotel with chargers so you have a full tank in the morning. Slow charging is so much cheaper.
So yet again the Car is forcing you where to stop and stay overnight which can be more expensive again than where you want to stay, so yet more unnecessary cost!
@@damindraive not found hotels with chargers any more expensive than without. Did a trip uk to norway last year stayed at hotels that were convenient and two out of the four had chargers (one in their car park one a minutes walk away) didnt notice any price difference. Not that ive done an extensive test or anything but you've just assumed they are because ??
I imagine anyone going on a trip like that, is more than likely going to buy subs for Ionity, or Tesla, or both. This would significantly decrease the price of charging.
Pretty much what I expected except the petrol car will need an oil service at some point whereas the two battery cars won't. The single most reason why we don't take our electric car on long trips is the ridiculous energy costs. We charge our car at night for 7p per kwh and here you are paying 87p per kwh. This over pricing has to stop if more of us are going to adopt electric.
I really don‘t want to hate, but there is absolutely no way, that the Model Y consumes more Energy, than the Peugeot. I own a Model Y Long Range and with 4 Persons and a full Trunk und Frunk i get about 3,1 Miles per kWh in Germany at 135 km/h or 84mph with Cruise Control. When i go skiing, roughly a 1900km Trip, i charge a total of 6 times when starting with 100% and arriving with a nearly empty battery. So lets say 7 times but only 6 times are time relevant. Each charging takes about 20-25 Minutes so in the worst case about 2,5 Hours. I really don‘t know how you achieve these numbers. And for the record, my numbers are from december and driving in Germany and Switzerland in the Mountains.
@@nocapproductions5471that's bullshit. If you're not flooring the Model Y it'll be just as efficient, if not more. No idea where WhatCar found these guys, but they sure as hell don't have any EV roadtrip experience.
I hope this is comment helpful to anyone considering an EV. I have a Model Y and two combustion vehicles, and always choose the Tesla over the other two on long trips. Yes it's cheaper to drive, but the car is such a good road-tripper, with comfortable seats, quiet interior, amazing sound system and of course, auto-pilot. We often travel with friends in fossil cars and use bathroom stops and food stops to charge, so we really don't waste any time compared to our fossil-driving friends. In one 10 minute bathroom stop we gain about 100 miles of range (Tesla spec is 151 miles in 15 mins.). So in all, it's a great road tripper.
Yuh, there are 3 sets of public accessable tesla chargers (6, 8 and 4 stalls) ... and just the charging schedule used is completely idiotic. No overnight charging at any of the hotels.
Stopping 10 times with the TESLA is just not serious. Neither is the consumption figures, relative to the Peugeot. Unless you drove with all four windows open and a roof rack ?
Sorry but these recharges are absolutely ridiculous. Charging takes 10 min max, they are charging to a too high level. I took a 1000 km trip this month. My total charging time was approx. 50min. Most times not enough to go the the bathroom. The used charging strategy is just dumb.
I drove from Bournemouth to Heswall for the week out in my 2022 Tesla model 3 last month. Charged once on the way up because a passenger needed the loo. Arrived at Trentham with 34%, plugged in, got foot, by the time food arrived the car was on 79% and by the time we finished and pay the bill, it was on 98%. Arrived in Heswall with 74%. Drove around Heswall for about a week, had sentry mode on (car's cameras constantly recording) in the Premier Inn carpark and the day before we left, I went to visit a friend in Manchester. Didn't charge for the entire week in Heswall, despite driving around every day and using sentry mode. Left Heswall with about 19% and arrived at Trafford Centre with 5%. Friend and I got dinner and went into central via the tram. Came back, took my friend back to his house and then navigated back to Trentham to use the supercharger. It was 10pm at this point. Arrived back at Trentham with 3% after preheating a little bit, charged to 100%. Hit 80% after about 30 mins and 100% after about an hour (was stuck into some netflix). Total cost? £18.34 Because the Tesla charger was £0.24 /kWh at the time I was there. Drove back to Heswall, woke up in the morning and drove home to Bournemouth. Stopped to see some family in Coventry for 1 hour, there was literally a public AC charger on their street, one of those lamppost things. Expensive, but ABC (Always be charging) - got our cable out and plugged into this 7 kW charger for £0.40 /kWh and we put 10 kWh in during the just over an hour we were there. Again, didn't plan to charge there, but why not since it was available, might as well and it would save us having to stop for 2 minutes in Winchester. Drove home and got there with 20%. I did not need to charge in coventry, it was a waste of money. - £4 I wasted lol. Total trip cost was £40 in public charging, and nothing in home charging because I was on octopus agile at the time, and I was actually being PAID to charge the car. £1.20 I made total charging up before and after I got home. So total trip cost was £38.80 In my previous car, a 2012 Diesel BMW X1 it would have cost about £130 and been a worse drive as it only has dumb cruise control. My Tesla has autopilot. I'd also have to stop for the loo break anyway for the passenger. If you're doing road trips, Tesla is a no brainer until other networks become cheaper. £0.24 at Tesla for owners or with £8.99 membership. The second cheapest network is Ionity which is £0.43 with membership (£10)
By the time electric gets same taxes as diesel, which it has to as govt has no money to spare, yoj will be buying a diesel again, as you fill it up in five minutes once for the whole trip.
@@benmarr352 not true, I can fill up at home haha why would I go out to waste 5 mins when I can wake up full every night. Also diesel will NEVER be cheaper than electric. I’m charging up for free tonight with octopus lmao
@@iambenmitchell Having lived in a number of countries where diesel is sild at or at least near cost - and looking at the foolish power generation policies in the UK - we will wait and see - enjoy your car while you can, you may be one of the very, very few who doesn't switch back, but then, hey some people bought Allegros
Very interesting test guys. I’m in the US and have done ~10000km in road trips and my cost per mile doing similar speeds was only ~15% better than the Tesla model Y. Hearing that you can pay 79p/ USD $0.99 per kWh in the UK is outrageous. In the US it ranges from $0.30 (OR,WA) to $0.65 in CA, although a realistic average around the country would be ~$0.43 per kWh. Electricity prices at public EV chargers have to come down for widespread adoption in my view to offset the extra time compared to a gas vehicles.
Electricity cost will not go down for superchargers as the roads do need repairs and the electric grid does need lots of investments. In Europe at least, much of the gas/diesel price is tax because of that, EV road electricity has to compensate for that and pay its share to maintain the infrastructure.
@@ContraVsGigi Agree with the road usage charge and that is still a black hole in the US as Interstate and a large part of State Hwy Funding comes from gas taxes. BEV's currently pay nothing and that will have to change. I'm not sure whether for instance Tesla Supercharger rates have any road tax included, I have not heard anything to that effect. What happens though when the effective price of electricity goes below zero, as happens now in CA between 1000-1400 during summer. Grid battery storage is going to change everything in the next 5 years as it starts to vacuum up all that excess electricity, putting further pressure on rates outside the above times. Home batteries will add to this as well.
@@joebullwinkle5099 That below zero cost will be gone as there is no real free lunch. No investor will want to produce more electricity and give it for free (or even pay for that), they will find ways to either produce less or sell it somewhere else. Much of the prices are kept lower than what they should also because of the federal, state and local subventions (all sorts of them). And there is more, for instance VW was forced to build thousands of charging areas as a fine in the dieselgate scandal. What I am saying is that the market is not really free in this domain and in time, it should become free and allow itself to be managed by market rules.
Tesla is £0.24 / kWh at Trafford at night. Ionity is £0.43 with membership, and the membership will pay itself off with the first charge. This channel is terrible really, they charge to way too high of a SOC on public charging, and do not use membership, which again, would pay for itself on the first charge.
@@JamsieYT Ours is 7 pence at home (1/7 cost of petrol) and TBH I don't mind spending a 70 pence/kwh, when I'm out and about, if it works reliably when on the few occasions I need them. However 79p/kwh is music to those petrol heads wanting to justify why not to have an EV.
I own an EV and they are a solution for some and not for others. If you are a heavy mileage person then an EV is deffo not for you. If you do a trip to southern france once a year then the advantages of an EV (home charging convenience, quiet, being able to defrost a car easily in winter :p, cost effective motoring and cutting down tail pipe emissions etc etc) are worth the potential headache once a year, i did a trip to disney which was 500 miles in an ID7 and it took me no longer than it did the year before in my petrol, cos i just charged when i stopped for a wee or for lunch, i only needed one charge to 80%, pointless charging to 100%.
Depends on what kind of high mileage. 250 miles a day around the city is huge mileage, you are thinking of long road trips frequently kind of mileage, cause in the first case EVs are way superior.
Here in Canada I love the charging stops especially going from Sechelt BC on the Sunshine Coast to Vancouver BC (40 minutes on a ferry) to Calgary AB, those charging stops are usually less than 20 minutes and allow us to take in the very beautiful mountain scenery at each stop! I use to travel this none stop in a ICE car, I I am much more enjoy the route, scenery and ease of travel without the drone of the ICE, constant downshifting of the transmission and high rev's through the multiple mountain passes, what a pleasure, never going to ICE again!
Never had an issue taking a Tesla on the Eurotunnel. The Model Y is 3cm wider than the Kia hence why they allocate the single deck carriage which is used for wider vehicles. I’ve only ever found it about £10 more. Rather that than risk kerbing my wheels on the single deck carriage.
I have done two family holidays from Liverpool to the continent to the continent in a mid spec ID3, both over 1000 miles. They were incredibly easy. I only had one charge per trip where I had to stop longer than the kids did anyway. You DO NOT need a Tesla for eVs to be great. In fact there are quite a few better EVs out there now.
I did 2000kms around Norway earlier this year in a Tesla M3LR. I dont know what to say it was seemless. Had the hire car company not given me a Tesla i would have said right there and then just give me an ICE car, as i am definitely not faffing about with all the hassle of a non Telsa roadtrip in a foreign country.
Luxury is spending less time refuelling, having more freedom of choice of where and when to stop, and peace of mind. All things I’d happily pay more for, especially on holidays.
That's fair. Infrastructure needs to get better still. But also.. Even in an extreme case, an EV owner can just rent a gas car for that one long road trip they do on holiday and then go back to never refueling, never having to stop, and peace of mind knowing they have a full battery every morning the rest of the year. Right? Cheaper too lol.
Fair point. I've just travelled an 800 mile round trip (in a diesel SUV 4x4) at 56mpg, £109 in Premium Diesel. First stop on the outbound leg was 30 minutes for lunch, on the return it was (I timed it!) 9 minutes for a splash and dash. Filled up the night before the trip, and the only time I thought about range was in the last 20 miles or so when I realised I'd still not need to refuel to make it safely home.
@@PixelVibe42 which diesel SUV is getting you 56 MPG? Got interested in this question and did a bunch of math and scenarios. Real SUVs - no. Diesels SUVs (Wrangler, Tahoe, Suburban) don't break 20 MPG = extra fuel stop. In ideal conditions, a Kia EV9 also does it with an extra stop that's like 30 minutes instead of their 10. Not bad. If you're talking midsized crossover (I can believe 50 MPG there), a Kia EV6 does it with your stops, but stays an extra 5 minutes in the return splash and dash. Really not bad. Not even including charging at the destination. Obviously, these would be with ideal locations and timing. Yes, EV infrastructure still needs to get better before it's as easy as gas or diesel. But.. the tech is already here and still getting better. And like I said, rent a gas car if you need. $40 for an SUV where I live.
Comparing these three cars without mentioning the Model Y is considerably bigger is...just dumb. The Model Y is 20 cm (almost 8 inches longer). Also, the Model Y was the only 4WD car in the pack. Had you chosen the Model Y LR RWD, the price would have been 5k lower, the number of charging stop fewer and the price of electricity lower.
1.Tesla Y is ridiculously overpowered compared to the other two 2.The Peugeot charging time is closer to 7 hours due to waiting to charge. 3.Tesla is the biggest,fastest,cheapest,nicest and cheapest to run.Good stuff
just to put it out there i did pretty much the same trip in my peugeot rcz this summer which is tuned and did the trip of sensible driving most of the time and did it on £120 worth of super unleaded petrol just over 1000 miles and that was 37-46mpg average and did less than 2 tanks of petrol so real world i had no messing about in my 13 year old car which is also an amazing drive
@ you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, you love driving microwaves so have no clue on what a decent car is you spend your life sat there watching your battery charge lol.
£85 quid ( cheaper if you use non motorway services fuel ) for half an extra day of holiday and pick from hundreds of quick stops that suit you? Petrol please.
Put the same 3 cars to the test for a week of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time... The cars should be driven together for a fair result. You will be surprised because home charging is much cheaper and the Tesla, unlike petrol cars, is more efficient in urban driving while petrol cars are least efficient in urban driving. The cost of fuel for the petrol car might be 5 times higher than the cost on the electric bill for the Tesla. In this test, the gap will be huge unlike the 1000 mile road trip which favours petrol cars, as we see on the video. Of course electric cars are always cheaper to run...
Why? You car should be suitable for all your needs, so it makes sense to test it on the most demanding journey. Presumably otherwise all you need is a Renault Zoe.
It's quite simple, if you think it is acceptable to spend between 4 and 5 hours in service stations charging up on just a four day holiday, you are insane, cheaper or not.
Also, just wondering. The first charge took place while waiting for the Channel crossing. Did you include that time as well? That would not make sense as you had to wait anyway.
I’ve taken my early 2020 model 3 from Cambridgeshire to Switzerland and back with 5 adults on board and full of luggage and it didn’t need 10 supercharger stops. Not sure what you were doing there.
Absolutely bizarre. I've driven my Model 3 1600km's to Croatia. That wasn't 10 charging stops. A Model Y LR RWD should do at least 300km between charges (even to 80%). 10 (efficient) charging stops would put you north of 3000km's of range.
When I plan this route, the Tesla needs 7 charges. ( 3 on the way there, 1 at arrival to 100% , and 3 more to get to London ) And every charging session would take 13-17 minutes. So 3hours of charging on a 16 hour roadtrip. Not too bad.
Actually it's perfectly reasonable to assume this is a typical summer family holiday trip from UK. I bet a new Skoda Superb estate Diesel would've probably done this trip on nearly 1 tank of the black stuff and it would've been also more capacious than all these 3 so called SUVs and quicker to get to the destination( 1 day without an overnight stop) or the faff for the Tesla on the Eurotunnel requiring booking on the single deck shuttle. But hey diesel is not acceptably green and all that! So why hasn't the What car team included this model in their test? Last years model was the winner of the most economical estate car - What Car own's evaluation! One last thing not everyone has the cash to splash on 2 cars - 1 electric for local trips and one for the long trips to Europe...nevermind that if you'd want to travel to the not so well developed parts of Europe in terms of charging infrastructure it would be a big pain trying to plan your journey - how many extra stops and time wasted charging or not finding suitable working chargers
I did over 1,800 miles to Copenhagen and back in my electric Nissan Ariya this summer using Tesla chargers and I charged 14 times. My total fees worked out at 19p per mile. In only 1 stop were all the chargers in use so I went to a nearby Fastened station. Easy-peasy. Not once did I feel tired in the entire trip.
Nice to see the WhatCar? team dishing out 'love' reactions exclusively for the few complimentary comments in here. Lots of fair and constructive feedback to be taken from plenty of viewers in the comments. (Many of which are seemingly from well-seasoned EV owners). Sit up, take note and show (equal) appreciation 👍. (I'm not expecting a 'heart' reaction 😅.)
To me this just highlights how much diesel is so much cheaper and better. My PHEV only does 40mpg on petrol. My VW 2.0TDi does 65mpg. Add the extra cost to buy an EV and then the cataclysmic deprecation it's a no brainer for me. Once we sell our PHEV I'd definitely buy the same make and model but the 1.5 diesel version.
We own a house in Charante so make a similar journey. Currently use my diesel Duster, but will be using my partner's EV in future. We have sussed out options - his can use Tesla superchargers as a non Tesla. I just have to question why anyone would use the tunnel from the starting point of this video when they can have a much more pleasant trip on the Portsmouth to Caen ferry. Still a 5 hour drive the other side but you get 6 hours of rest or more on the ferry. Magical.
I can commute up to 300 miles a day with my 2023 Tesla MY LR and it only costs me 50 cents to charge thanks to my Tesla Electric residential plan. That plan provides unlimited charging for only US $15/month (50 cents a day). Nothing beats the price and convenience of a Tesla and Tesla Electric Unlimited Charging!
Sorry in the petrol car you were not stationary for 10 minutes over 1000 miles. Not going to disagree about having the choice of where to stop but that smug it takes me 5 minutes to refill my petrol car is daft. You fuel an ev while you do other things not sitting there like a lemon holding a handle on a hose and wondering off to pay
@@jamie-hb8gy took me 45 minutes of sitting in trafic to get to morrisons for diesel the other week with traffic for the van last week when i needed to drive in the opposite direction and was fuming. When you're not desperately trying to classify people into arbitrary groups you have probably had similar experiences. The fuel went in in 5 mins though...
1st of all , how much do you spend while you're doing "Other things" that you don't need to do because you've got to fill your time while you wait around charging . 2nd .How long are you waiting at the checkouts waiting to pay for these other things you do while your charging. Invariably it costs more than just charging. 3rd. Most pumps now you can actually pay at the pump !! Who's the lemon , wasting time they don't need to and spending money they don't have to ? It does make me laugh how much you extole the benefits of wasting your time under the guise of comfort breaks. Lets be completely honest , If you're not on your way to where you need to be , you're wasting time . I'd much rather be enjoying what I'm supposed to be doing , where I'm supposed to be doing it ASAP , than doing " other things" because I don't have a choice whether I do them or not. I get EVs can work but don't try and Glaze people into thinking waiting around charging isn't wasting time or you don't spend money doing it.
Did a trip down to Morocco in a 2006 320d with 240k on the clock with 4 adults and a car full of luggage. Managed to get 47 mpg and didn’t have to think about the pumps until over half way through France from Hertfordshire. Not to say that EVs aren’t suited to these journey but those waiting times would have made my journey much more of a headache.
Yes - I can easliy get over 40mpg on a long trip (in a 2 litre non-hybrid ICE) and I certainly don't fill up at Motorway Service stations either of course. When I purchased my car it was at least £10k cheaper than the equivelent EV. That works out at 72,000 miles of free petrol - so these comparisons clearly do not compare the overall cost of EV ownership. Maybe they should also throw in depreciation costs too? Nothing in principle against EVs but currently plan to keep my ICE lady for some time to come....
I could get 1100km out of my old 1998 Audi A4 1.9 diesel on a trip. So basically you never thought about stopping until you were hungry or needed the bathroom.
For those not aware, the Tesla tells you exactly how many stalls are free, and even warns you if that location is busy, reccomending to choose another location if possible. If he paid attention, he could have stopped at another supercharger with availability.
So with an EV, an enjoyable holiday becomes a miserable tour to different charging points. Other cars can easily do the whole trip with 10 to 15 minutes at the petrol station, not hours at a charging station.
Yes, of course a combustion-engined vehicle can do long distances more conveniently by way of 'fuel' stops... But, combustion-engined vehicles are also polluting the very air you, me and our kids and grandkids breathe, day-in, day-out - causing potentially fatal, chronic asthma and other debilitating respiratory diseases. At some point, Society needs to make a tough decision - to ban ALL combustion-engined vehicles from our built up, urban spaces where people live and work. Yes, that's going to create 'inconvenience' compared to what drivers have been used to for the last century - but, it's simply GOT to happen if we want the World's future doctors, nurses, police and fire personnel to have a fighting chance of a healthier life. I sincerely hope mankind doesn't make the same mistake as it did with allowing leaded petrol to continue to be sold, down to the corporate greed of the Oil Industry, despite the over-60 years of reported cancers and deaths directly attributable to that fuel - and they're still 'pulling-the-strings' of politicians and Governments the world over, with their funding of anti-EV FUD.
I'm an electrician who still drives gas and diesel work trucks. Electric really needs efficiency at highway speeds, an optimized extra gear like that new porsche would be major. If the solid state batteries really perform like they're saying its over either way. Over two times the capacity at equal weights just to start with.
Here we give again bringing up the fact that you have to move your eyes of head to check your speed in a Tesla, how about moving your head or eyes to keep checking your rear view mirror, it’s absolutely no difference. When Whatcar review minis they don’t the mention the binnacle in the centre which you need to look at to check your speed
One Imperial gallon of petrol has a mass of 3.43231 kilograms, 13% (0.4462 kg) is hydrogen. One kilogram of hydrogen contains 33.33333 kwh. So the Kia Sportage is getting 35.3 ÷ (0.4462 * 33.33333) equals 2.37 miles per kilowatt hour. To convert miles per kwh to miles per gallon multiply by 14.873. Cost per mile. Kia = 197.29 ÷ 1059 = 0.1863 per mile Tesla = 113.07 ÷ 1007 = 0.1123 per mile Peugeot = 159.63 ÷ 1063 = 0.1502 per mile
I think the Peugeot is the most fantastic-looking car of all three cars both inside and out, I love style and the E3008 has style, every other thing I can leave with
this is the first review that i see someone saying the build quality and materials in the 3008 is bad !!! peugeot in the last year's have better interiors than the luxury Germans Wtf r u talking about dude
Also pointless bothering to test economy in cars that cost around £40k. For most people that means buying the car on PCP/Finance - and only people with zero money sense do that. A better EV vs ICE test would be to look at the best all-rounder (daily driver and long-distance runner) you can get on a budget of less than £10k.
I live in France and have always managed to find hotels where I can plug into an Ac charger overnight for free. Nearly 6 years into Kia e-Niro ownership and haven't had to change driving habits at all from my ICE days when I would always take a 20 to 30 minute break to feed and rest the human machine anyway..with the EV I add plugging in to that routine. The reliability and low cost of running the EV beats any ICE I have ever owned
one of the perks of an EV is to charge overnight at lodging. there are plenty of lodging that offers lvl 2 chargers. choosing to not choose a lodging with lvl 2 charger is not representative of the actual experience. also, you dont need to wait and charge to full for tesla. just charge enough to get to the next charger. saves a lot of time. because of the charge curve of EVs.
Pfft, plenty of Poles drive their EVs from North England to Eastern Poland. I done it 3 times, no sweat. And i charged 4 times so not sure how those get 10 charges for 1000 miles.
Seriously, how did you "need" to stop and charge a Model Y TEN TIMES (!!!) in 1000 miles? There was lots of EV user malpractice going on in your test. You used them like they were rental cars that you didn't know how to get the best out of - vs. experienced EV owners.
You have confirmed what I and most people already know. A long journey in an EV is a lot less convenient and a lot more stressful than in a petrol or Diesel engined car. I regularly drive from Liverpool to the south of France in my 2020 VW Passat 2.0 TDi Estate which returns an average of 72 mpg on motorways and autoroutes (which I have worked out myself as a cross check) which gives me a range of 1,080 miles on a 15 gallon tankful and doesn’t require topping up either en route, or for some considerable time after running around when I get there. There is no way I will be swapping my diesel ULEZ compliant car for an EV where most of my journey will be spent stressing about my dwindling range and where I can find a working, available, compatible charger. It never pays to be an early adopter of any new technology as they will soon be either obsolete or superseded and that is why sales of battery EVs are flatlining as private buyers are rightly sceptical of them, can’t afford the initial price or the huge depreciation, don’t need the stress of the already pitiful range which in the real world is about 20% less than the lies (sorry, “official range”) stated by the manufacturers and are sensibly sitting on their hands for a few years to see how soon this doomed EV experiment grinds to a halt, having destroyed UK car manufacturing before the government wakes up to what it has done.
Great film and discussions. Sportage is popular for good reasons. I once drove a rental (with defect parking brake), but its ride and noise deadening impressed.
Always so many variables and open to criticism... I think adding in comfort breaks and food stops would have been fairer for THIS test, as it would show how EVs can be fueled at the same time... 10 stops for 1000 is crazy though.
Instead of measuring charging times etc and especially fuel prices - how about factoring how much the cars polluted during the journey? Including pollution during fuel production
Well said. After all it is now becoming clearer the great con that has been foisted upon us regarding how allegedly good for the environment EV's are, when actually once you factor in all of the initial build costs they are nothing short of a disgrace.
Do a life cycle cost of ownership with let's say 280 000km. Initial investment, insurance, maintenance cost, value depreciation, time spent charging on trips, adding gasoline etc.
Well you have to work extra for that £60. At £15 per hr ( median salary of net £2400 a month ) you need 4 hours of your life to work to pay for the fuel. Tesla charged for 3.5 hours sooooooo you're saving 30 minutes overall with the Tesla. Also you've just added 1000 miles , so you're closer to needing an oil change, add that to the cost as well.
So you cheated charging to 100%, damaging the e's long term! 'Chargers all in use'...hmm! What is the ground clearance of the Tesla Y? Titanium white seating, is that popular in Vegas, perhaps, amongst certain males?
Nonsense, I commute from Dorset to London on a regular basis and charge overnight at home and it costs me about £4 for the journey of around 260 miles. How much does it cost in a diesel £30-35?
@@MarkN67 More than that. I drove from Bournemouth to Hampstead and it cost me £80 in my BMW. Meanwhile if I wanted to go from Bournemouth to Manchester for the day out at Trafford centre, I'd only have to charge once and at trafford for £18 (Tesla charger is £0.24/kWh) to get back home. So no inconvenience because the car would be charging while I am in the shops hah, can't say the same for smelly diesel
@@MarkN67 Yep, my BMW did about 39 mpg on the motorway because it was super high milage and falling apart. Glad it's gone now. 189,200 miles before I sold it
It’s staggering how much we get ripped off for energy prices in the UK. It’s little wonder the manufactures can’t hit their EV quotas in the UK. Much as I don’t like Mr Musk or particularly care for Tesla’s, the supercharger network is a real achievement. Here we are a decade later and it’s still significantly better than anything else out there.
Maybe compare a monthly run of commuting 800 miles. My EV cost me $15 @ 0.08 kw, $45 mo @ 0.25 Kw. My jeep cost me $40 week plus oil changes, which are always a joy.
This is quite far from representative imo, 99% of miles will be charged at a slow charger at home/work, and if you stop over night on a journey it is often possible to find overnight charging!
A lot of people saying you can charge it when you stop I very rarely stop on 500 miles trips in fact the quicker I get there the better couldn't be arsed waiting on my car to charge
Peugeot is the best-looking car here, in my opinion. Nobody mentioned that its interior is based on recycled and eco materials. They didnt even talk about the second screen that is so very helpful. No one mentioned that you can voice control almost anything in Peugeot. Press the mic button on the steering and adjust temperature, fan speed, navigation, music and what not.
Really, really don’t understand why you still make these pointless videos. What you do is you use Zap Map etc to find out where you’re going to charge. You get the price per kw/h for the relevant charger. You take the distance you’re travelling, divide it by your car’s typical efficiency and multiply it by that price. That’s it. I didn’t watch more than the first minute - presumably there were some arty slow motion shots.
You might have too much faith in the average driver if you think they're capable of doing that, let alone want to. In car sat navs just have to get better, they need to be at the level of A Better Route Planner with options of more frequent & shorter stops or fewer longer stops, as accurate with arrival percentage as Tesla, pre-conditioning automatically, along with handling charger congestion.
I commute to work by public transport, our car is only for groceries and travelling. I did a TCO calculation for all types, eventually just bought a ICE car. Next buy will be a hybrid, hybrid got better and cheaper so, we give it a go.. more out of convenience. The high range of hybrid cars is really nice! Even with our current ICE we only fill twice to reach South of France.
Instead of doing these long trips that we know the EVs do not shine at yet, why not do a month of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time?
Results will be unreliable as it will be heavily dependent on the amount of traffic + area you live, etc.
@@waduhek2568as is this because it is a single trip and so charger use and availability varies every day too.
@@waduhek2568 Very easy to change your tariff to something like Intelligent Octopus Go though. Not really an excuse.
Because EVangelists insist that it's easy to do 1000 mile journeys just as easy as an ICE car.
@@sargfowler9603 It is very easy in a Tesla. And way cheaper than an ICE.
Plenty of Americans doing 3,000 mile trips no issues.
I'm not surprised that there isn't much savings for road tripping, as EV public charging is expensive. The big savings with driving an EV are from home charging.
An in maintainance and so on...
If he'd got an Ionity passport for £10.50 for the month, he'd pay 37p a kWh which would have made his trip cheaper at £137.37 and any other away from home charging using Ionity for the rest of that month would have been at the lower rate. but also the figure would be lower as you'd charge to 100% before you left at 7p a kwh or less.
@@davids.6671
Not really that still have servicing.
The only maintenance difference is engine oil
In Europe around 50% of the people don't have acces to home charging, so this isn't so ridiculous to do.
@@Robert-cu9bm Really? no spark plugs, timing belts? transmission fluids? fuel pump? etc? Only Engine oil is news to me.
10 stops for the tesla in 1000 miles. So that works out 100 miles per charge!! There is something wrong going on here. There is no way a Tesla will only go 100 miles then need a charge, and I'm a diesel car driver!
a lot of the charges were not full charges if you watch the full video they comment that it was only filled to 60% and a lot of the stops would to eat etc.
We did uk to Spain...in fewer stops.. in a Tesla... seems video is skewed...
I wanted to do the same trip from London to Murcia, do you think it will be possible if I use the non toll roads?@@Grumps-u5jj
@@gathonar read it again he said AVERAGE
Cant be right can it. Stopped 3times on the way there so 7on the way back 😂
I have driven a Model Y to La Rochelle from Leicestershire. I stopped twice. Once at the tunnel and once in Le Mans. How did you need 10 stops 🤔
At 7:07 how are you complaining about getting 150 kw charging instead of 250 kw when you went to a V2 supercharger which maxes out at 150 kw instead of a V3.. If you had used just some basic on screen navigation you would have been able to reach a further SC instead of stopping at 35% and you would have been able to select a V3. I know they meant to test the “as is” experience but Tesla owners are used to driving beyond the navigations conservative stops and selecting for V3 over V2 chargers
I have the RWD car and I don’t have a preference for V3 over V2 unless I can see the V2 on my route is busy which means power sharing.
@@adisurdbut.. Why? That's like objectively wrong haha. If you have the choice, the v3 is better.
If everyone goes for the V3 then... pretty obvious
@@Cyrribrae yes, if there is a choice. But it's not always that you have the choice, especially on road trips. So to me it does not hurt much even if I end up on a V2.
@@adisurd ok. I too am not overly bothered if I end up at a v2 (unless it's super late perhaps). But I certainly wouldn't say I don't care. I have a clear preference.
What are you guys doing? I do a semi regular trip from my house near Sydney to Melbourne and return 912km / 567 miles in each direction (1824km/1334 mi round trip) in my 2023 Model 3 RWD - not even the long range just the regular LFP with the small battery.
I only stop 2 times in each direction for late breakfast and early dinner - exactly the same as I used to do in my ICE car - it only takes 2 x 25 min stops to do the 567miles each way - I am charging while eating and using the bathroom - it's actually quicker in my EV than it used to be in my ICE car because I would stop for 20-25 min anyway to eat and use the bathroom but I don't have to fill my car and move it before going inside - just plug it in.
I charge for 8c AUD overnight and leave with a 100% charge and get back with a 15% charge - the first 250 miles and the last 210 miles cost me $6 / £3 in fuel in total and the middle 674 miles cost me an average of $88 / £45
Charging 10 times for a 1000 mile trip is ridiculous on a car with a range over 300 miles! That’s through choice not necessity. You could very conservatively charge every 200 miles and halve the charging time!
Also there’s no way you wouldn’t charge overnight as an EV owner so you’d pick a hotel with a charger or one very close to a charger.
Does highlight though how ridiculously high prices public charging is… complete rip off
@@leemitchell3302 still a lot of time charging! And what a nonsense, with an EV car having to decide a refill strategy!! ICE car will do 500 miles and take minutes to refill to a 100%
@@markgt894 Yeah but 99% of domestic trips are not over 200 miles , let alone 630 miles ...so it's a pointless debate.
@@markgt894it really isn’t though because you’d charge during toilet and food stops.
The guy in the Kia even said he would have made more stops in normal circumstances (where he would have charged if in an EV).
So in normal circumstances you’re not really adding that much more stationary time than when driving an ICE car… unless you’re happy driving 4/5 hours without a break! I’m personally not
@@leemitchell3302 people can easily drive for 3-4hours. You then get fuel and swap drivers.
@@Gdank72 even then, EV cars are more expensive than ICE and EVs depreciate like a stone. Many people do at least one or two long journeys a year, an EV would just be a pain especially with kids.
10 stops ? How on earth did you manage to stop that many times?
Yep. That doesnt make any sense, relative to the Peugeot.
Weak bladder ?? 😊
That is probably partly because the Tesla route optimizes for speed and wil do charge stops from within 25% and 75%.and will often only charge about 40% of charge in about 15-20 mins. Even then 10 stops is a lot for only 1000 miles starting with 300 miles of charge. But also driving much less efficient in the Tesla than the Peugeot is weird. Suspicious even.
Such a trip should be possible in 4 stops if you plan for a couple longer lunch stops charging from about 10% to 90%.
@@AlbertZonneveld Agree It's nonsense - I do a regular trip of 567 miles (1334 miles return) from my home near Sydney to Melbourne, I only have a standard range LFP car with a small battery - it only takes 2 x 20-25 min stops in each direction to do this trip. It's takes less time in my EV than my ICE car becuse I always stopped to eat and use the bathroom at least twice in my ICE car for a minimum 20min as well but instead of having to fill and move the car before I go inside I just plug in.
@@TB-up4xi good point! This is often missed when people think of how to travel with electric cars. I always stop close to chargers when I get a coffee and I plug in just in case it’s a long wait. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. And when we do stop to eat, I also plug it in. I love, just love not having to ever get in line for gas, pump the gas in the cold, go pay or struggle with the pay pass, tell everybody to meet me on the other side of the gas station, rather than do it with me, and then go from there. It’s not about time. It’s about a sane way to travel in my opinion. And keep in mind that I drive a fairly slow charging Kia Niro. I do kind of regret that part of the purchase, but otherwise it’s all fine and good.
Can’t believe they didn’t mention the autopilot feature of the Tesla! We did a road trip from North England to Paris earlier this year, the Tesla basically just drove it self! That level of comfort is priceless!
I'd sell mine if it didn't have autopilot, fantastic for long trips
@@Twin.motors 110%! Chances are when I have to renewal the lease next year, it'll be another Tesla for that very reason, just a shame they are not as much fun to drive as a small ICE sports car (my previous care was an RS3) - but the Model Y is super practical!
@@charliedingMay I ask how you find the handling and more importantly the ride quality, please?
@@jgogl9791I have the Model Y performance - Handling is not great, very heavy car and compared to previous cars I've had (BMW 340i, VW Golf R, Audi RS3) it's no where near as fun. I never think about taking the Model Y Performance out for a drive on the weekends, I'm not excited to get into it. The ride quality is very similar to the previous cars I've had, if you have come from performance cars with stiff dampers, you won't mind, but if you have come from a more comfortable car like Range Rover or Audi A5, you'll hate it! The speed is amazing, there are almost no other car that can beat the Model Y performance off the line - 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds! For long journeys, the Tesla is amazing, I used to dread driving long distance on my previous cars, but in the Model Y, it's amazing. To summarise, if you want a super practical family car which is relatively comfortable and still fun-ish to drive, and allows you to put bikes/prams/suite cases in the back, Tesla Model Y performance is perfect, if you want a care to set your heart racing and take out for drives on your own on weekends around Welsh country roads, this is not the car for you! I myself will be getting a smaller sports car as soon as my kids are older!
Whilst I like autopilot it’s not as good as the system my Audi Q5 had. That was less dramatic, more graceful and measured in its application and worked at higher speeds (needed in Germany).
If have made the trip from Switzerland to the north of England in both a Tesla Model 3 and Y a number of times over the last 5 years. The car plans the route and recharge stops for you. The biggest problem is not the car, but my bladder, as driving more than 3 hours at a go requires a stop.
I did a 3500km trip in May this year and frankly it was so undramatic, it’s hardly worth making a video like this one…
You should see a doctor. I can get from the Black Forest back to London in a diesel BMW with just three stops - one of those being the Eurotunnel - and not even needing to refuel.
10 stops for 1,000 miles ! - seriously. Everytime you guys do an EV test like this its just full of holes
Yeah, quie surprise with the stops all 160km. Usually you do 300-350km, 1 short stop of 10mn, again 1-1h30 of driving then lunch or dinner or hôtel break. So this 2 break for 500km. 1600km, this 6-7 stops max... ah I realize that it was the e3008...
@@jeanbaptistelabellethe E3008 can do more than 300 kms in one charge, so no.
@DanRyzESPUK yeah I think they could definitely made in easily in the 3008 with 8 stops. But the e3008 consumes significantly more at highway speed than the Tesla
they are just successfully impersonating
the average overly dumb ICE driver
cluelessly driving EVs!
It's not a hole, it's horses for courses.
Yeah if you wanna do your trip all in one hit an EV isn't for you but the last time I did that distance all in one hit I got out of the car in pain. So if you are like me and need to stop every couple of hundred miles the an EV is ideal but for many doing 200+ miles in one hit isn't ideal anymore.
I do believe you should have left your destination with 100% charge as anyone in an EV visiting would leave with the 100% charge. Also many people would not do the 500 mile trip in each direction without toilet and food stops. EV can plugin while driver gets refreshed. I have done an 870 mile trip in my EV and only stop was whilst we ate. Also only cost me £37
Tesla also has sentry mode running to protect your car but it does use some power.
And for the other 361 days of the year your eCar begins every morning with a full tank, never pays at a charger, leaves clean air in its wake, reduces noise pollution, needs servicing only on blue moons and it’s toasty-warm, inside, and ice-free, outside, on those “brass monkey” mornings.
All for a few quid extra on your power bill at the end of the month.
Like mostly any EV., thumbs up.
That my be true buy what about the good points.
So does my phev
@@S.J7777 Great!
@@S.J7777 a phev is a jack of all trades but master of none, lugging around 2 power trains reduces boot space and adds weight
Having owned EVs for 5 years, I'd say it's pretty rare to go away for 3 nights and not charge once overnight. That charge is usually less expensive and will get you to full as well. The overall result isn't too surprising though. EVs are much better for 99% of your journeys and I think this test has showed it's not too painful if you want to use it for a trip. I think petrol cars are becoming less compelling all the time. This is their only use case now.
Well said. You don't buy a car for 2% of your journeys. You buy it for the 98% of normal life journeys. Charging on night rates make it phenomenally cheap to run
Agreed. This would be a once a year journey for most people. I think I could sacrifice a couple of hours once or twice a year for the overall benefit of an EV.
@@brummiesalteno-81 like many, we have done (Kia eNiro) and it’s been brilliant over the last 3 years. I’ve done some long trips, the longest being 560 miles in a day in the UK. It was straightforward and not hugely different to an Ice car. Charging while we were eating, not running it flat then charging. If it was a Tesla it would have been even more straight forward.
Also have stopped at hotels that had free charging so didn’t cost anything to charge up overnight.
Some folk live in their own little world🙄 lucky if you don’t need to travel any distance to see family, weekends away, or U.K. holidays. Even if I holiday abroad, the airport is further than the range away.
Never seen free charging places at hotels I stay at! Same cars occupy all night! Who’s getting up at 3am to move their car? Infrastructure needs to improve big time.
Why does the trip planner for the Tesla show just 2 stops for the outward trip? That's 4 or a maximum of 5 for the return trip.
Your test has no resemblance to fact unless you can explain why you needed more than twice the number stops that the Tesla planner calculated.
They do say in the video they did stop and charge whilst doing filming and with some charging upto 100%. Anyone with an EV knows it's pointless and a waste of time charging above 80% on fast charging tbh I rarely go above 60% as its quicker driving to another charging stop with lower battery. I'm based up in the midlands and its tell me the same trip will done in 7 charges and only 2 hours and 23 minutes of charging for an extra 240 miles of distance as well. That's with the less efficient model 3 performance
@@dubzfry Which makes their test pointless and unrepresentative
What a load of nonsense! 10 stops to do 1000 miles in the Tesla. Did the driver have a weak bladder? I regularly do 250 miles trips on a single charge in my Model 3. If you guys want to report on EVs - learn how to drive them.
And how long to charge to 100% when nearly depleted to max range?! An ICE takes minutes to get to 100%
@@markgt894200 miles of range, 10-80% takes around 30 min. Some of us don’t want to pollute towns and cities whilst driving
@@markgt894 Does an ICE recharge at home with 10 seconds of your time to plug it in? Does it start every day with a full tank, such that you don't need to *think* about range or refueling in day-to-day driving?
@@markgt894 the EV will be charging whilst doing something else, eating dinner etc, whereas a dinosaur car would be sat there just taking up space while the driver is eating
@@markgt894 You only charge to 100% if you are 250 miles to next charger, or you are clueless, or not smart enough to search on how to charge an EV while traveling.
Very poor planning. Charge while the car is stopped anyway; eating, visiting the facilities etc, and always book a hotel with chargers so you have a full tank in the morning. Slow charging is so much cheaper.
So yet again the Car is forcing you where to stop and stay overnight which can be more expensive again than where you want to stay, so yet more unnecessary cost!
@@damindratell me where you go and where there is no charging facility ??? Because there are pretty much everywhere honestly
@@damindraive not found hotels with chargers any more expensive than without. Did a trip uk to norway last year stayed at hotels that were convenient and two out of the four had chargers (one in their car park one a minutes walk away) didnt notice any price difference. Not that ive done an extensive test or anything but you've just assumed they are because ??
@@Daniel-jm5hd EV= hassle on long journeys.
No freedom with an ev
I imagine anyone going on a trip like that, is more than likely going to buy subs for Ionity, or Tesla, or both.
This would significantly decrease the price of charging.
Yes 0.39 cents :)
10 stops on a model y long range???
Pretty much what I expected except the petrol car will need an oil service at some point whereas the two battery cars won't. The single most reason why we don't take our electric car on long trips is the ridiculous energy costs. We charge our car at night for 7p per kwh and here you are paying 87p per kwh. This over pricing has to stop if more of us are going to adopt electric.
Yes but you'll be able to sell the Kia when you're done with it for actual money 😂😂😂
I really don‘t want to hate, but there is absolutely no way, that the Model Y consumes more Energy, than the Peugeot. I own a Model Y Long Range and with 4 Persons and a full Trunk und Frunk i get about 3,1 Miles per kWh in Germany at 135 km/h or 84mph with Cruise Control. When i go skiing, roughly a 1900km Trip, i charge a total of 6 times when starting with 100% and arriving with a nearly empty battery. So lets say 7 times but only 6 times are time relevant. Each charging takes about 20-25 Minutes so in the worst case about 2,5 Hours. I really don‘t know how you achieve these numbers. And for the record, my numbers are from december and driving in Germany and Switzerland in the Mountains.
Yeah that part was a little shocking tbh. Tesla's are very efficient, a Peugeot beating the Y seems highly unlikely but .. I suppose it could be true
Do you also own the Peugeot?
Peugeot is supposedly very good on battery because it provides a lot less horsepower
@@nocapproductions5471that's bullshit. If you're not flooring the Model Y it'll be just as efficient, if not more.
No idea where WhatCar found these guys, but they sure as hell don't have any EV roadtrip experience.
I can only think that they left it for ages with sentry mode on, which consumes a lot of energy but doesn't show up in the wh/m figure for driving.
I hope this is comment helpful to anyone considering an EV. I have a Model Y and two combustion vehicles, and always choose the Tesla over the other two on long trips. Yes it's cheaper to drive, but the car is such a good road-tripper, with comfortable seats, quiet interior, amazing sound system and of course, auto-pilot. We often travel with friends in fossil cars and use bathroom stops and food stops to charge, so we really don't waste any time compared to our fossil-driving friends. In one 10 minute bathroom stop we gain about 100 miles of range (Tesla spec is 151 miles in 15 mins.). So in all, it's a great road tripper.
You could have charged the peugeot at many tesla superchargers. Even the one you featured at the eurotunnel is open to all cars
Yuh, there are 3 sets of public accessable tesla chargers (6, 8 and 4 stalls) ... and just the charging schedule used is completely idiotic. No overnight charging at any of the hotels.
Stopping 10 times with the TESLA is just not serious. Neither is the consumption figures, relative to the Peugeot. Unless you drove with all four windows open and a roof rack ?
This test is just embarrassing to WhatCar. There's simply no way the Tesla needs more charging stops than the Peugeot. Total and utter bullshit.
As usual the answer to every EV related question is "Just get a Tesla"
No it isn't, the answer is don't believe the drivel coming from these 3 muppets
Except if you think Musk is a Twunt.
For £50K? No, the answer is "buy a nice used Bentley Mulsanne and do the journey in the height of luxury"
You could charge at superchargers with the Peugeot...
At some but not all of them, also they said in the beginning they would drive as the satnav told them to test it.
@@Isamu101390% of Tesla superchargers in France are open to all.
Sorry but these recharges are absolutely ridiculous. Charging takes 10 min max, they are charging to a too high level. I took a 1000 km trip this month. My total charging time was approx. 50min. Most times not enough to go the the bathroom. The used charging strategy is just dumb.
Then there would have been 20 stops to charge.... A 10 min charge would give only 25kwh top up as some of the chargers were only 150kw.
I'm sure in the near future electric cars will charge faster even than it'll take to fill your Petrol tank
@@tochukwuezinwa2122hopefully but until then ice is best and the price need to come right down to less than 10k for like for like
@@JohnnyMQBwhich I'm sure it'll
Same here, went to disney paris in october, its a 500 mile trip and i only charged once in Calais for 28 mins
I drove from Bournemouth to Heswall for the week out in my 2022 Tesla model 3 last month. Charged once on the way up because a passenger needed the loo. Arrived at Trentham with 34%, plugged in, got foot, by the time food arrived the car was on 79% and by the time we finished and pay the bill, it was on 98%.
Arrived in Heswall with 74%.
Drove around Heswall for about a week, had sentry mode on (car's cameras constantly recording) in the Premier Inn carpark and the day before we left, I went to visit a friend in Manchester.
Didn't charge for the entire week in Heswall, despite driving around every day and using sentry mode. Left Heswall with about 19% and arrived at Trafford Centre with 5%. Friend and I got dinner and went into central via the tram. Came back, took my friend back to his house and then navigated back to Trentham to use the supercharger. It was 10pm at this point.
Arrived back at Trentham with 3% after preheating a little bit, charged to 100%. Hit 80% after about 30 mins and 100% after about an hour (was stuck into some netflix). Total cost? £18.34 Because the Tesla charger was £0.24 /kWh at the time I was there.
Drove back to Heswall, woke up in the morning and drove home to Bournemouth. Stopped to see some family in Coventry for 1 hour, there was literally a public AC charger on their street, one of those lamppost things.
Expensive, but ABC (Always be charging) - got our cable out and plugged into this 7 kW charger for £0.40 /kWh and we put 10 kWh in during the just over an hour we were there.
Again, didn't plan to charge there, but why not since it was available, might as well and it would save us having to stop for 2 minutes in Winchester.
Drove home and got there with 20%. I did not need to charge in coventry, it was a waste of money. - £4 I wasted lol.
Total trip cost was £40 in public charging, and nothing in home charging because I was on octopus agile at the time, and I was actually being PAID to charge the car. £1.20 I made total charging up before and after I got home.
So total trip cost was £38.80
In my previous car, a 2012 Diesel BMW X1 it would have cost about £130 and been a worse drive as it only has dumb cruise control. My Tesla has autopilot.
I'd also have to stop for the loo break anyway for the passenger.
If you're doing road trips, Tesla is a no brainer until other networks become cheaper. £0.24 at Tesla for owners or with £8.99 membership. The second cheapest network is Ionity which is £0.43 with membership (£10)
How much is your insurance and how much is depreciation and servicing?
By the time electric gets same taxes as diesel, which it has to as govt has no money to spare, yoj will be buying a diesel again, as you fill it up in five minutes once for the whole trip.
@@willswomble7274 no servicing, and i bought it used lol, deprecation isn’t affecting me as much as
@@benmarr352 not true, I can fill up at home haha why would I go out to waste 5 mins when I can wake up full every night. Also diesel will NEVER be cheaper than electric. I’m charging up for free tonight with octopus lmao
@@iambenmitchell Having lived in a number of countries where diesel is sild at or at least near cost - and looking at the foolish power generation policies in the UK - we will wait and see - enjoy your car while you can, you may be one of the very, very few who doesn't switch back, but then, hey some people bought Allegros
Very interesting test guys. I’m in the US and have done ~10000km in road trips and my cost per mile doing similar speeds was only ~15% better than the Tesla model Y. Hearing that you can pay 79p/ USD $0.99 per kWh in the UK is outrageous. In the US it ranges from $0.30 (OR,WA) to $0.65 in CA, although a realistic average around the country would be ~$0.43 per kWh. Electricity prices at public EV chargers have to come down for widespread adoption in my view to offset the extra time compared to a gas vehicles.
Electricity cost will not go down for superchargers as the roads do need repairs and the electric grid does need lots of investments. In Europe at least, much of the gas/diesel price is tax because of that, EV road electricity has to compensate for that and pay its share to maintain the infrastructure.
@@ContraVsGigi Agree with the road usage charge and that is still a black hole in the US as Interstate and a large part of State Hwy Funding comes from gas taxes. BEV's currently pay nothing and that will have to change. I'm not sure whether for instance Tesla Supercharger rates have any road tax included, I have not heard anything to that effect. What happens though when the effective price of electricity goes below zero, as happens now in CA between 1000-1400 during summer. Grid battery storage is going to change everything in the next 5 years as it starts to vacuum up all that excess electricity, putting further pressure on rates outside the above times. Home batteries will add to this as well.
@@joebullwinkle5099 That below zero cost will be gone as there is no real free lunch. No investor will want to produce more electricity and give it for free (or even pay for that), they will find ways to either produce less or sell it somewhere else. Much of the prices are kept lower than what they should also because of the federal, state and local subventions (all sorts of them). And there is more, for instance VW was forced to build thousands of charging areas as a fine in the dieselgate scandal. What I am saying is that the market is not really free in this domain and in time, it should become free and allow itself to be managed by market rules.
Public charging in the uk is rip off.
Tesla is £0.24 / kWh at Trafford at night.
Ionity is £0.43 with membership, and the membership will pay itself off with the first charge. This channel is terrible really, they charge to way too high of a SOC on public charging, and do not use membership, which again, would pay for itself on the first charge.
@@iambenmitchell 90% of our charging is at home, 5hrs off peak at 9pence per kilowatt… it helps take the sting out of using public charging
@@JamsieYT Ours is 7 pence at home (1/7 cost of petrol) and TBH I don't mind spending a 70 pence/kwh, when I'm out and about, if it works reliably when on the few occasions I need them. However 79p/kwh is music to those petrol heads wanting to justify why not to have an EV.
@@gerryparker7699100%
I own an EV and they are a solution for some and not for others. If you are a heavy mileage person then an EV is deffo not for you. If you do a trip to southern france once a year then the advantages of an EV (home charging convenience, quiet, being able to defrost a car easily in winter :p, cost effective motoring and cutting down tail pipe emissions etc etc) are worth the potential headache once a year, i did a trip to disney which was 500 miles in an ID7 and it took me no longer than it did the year before in my petrol, cos i just charged when i stopped for a wee or for lunch, i only needed one charge to 80%, pointless charging to 100%.
In those circumstances I would probably hire a car for the odd trip to southern France or whatever.
Out of spec would disagree with you. Even in the US EVs aren't that bad for high mileage
Depends on what kind of high mileage.
250 miles a day around the city is huge mileage, you are thinking of long road trips frequently kind of mileage, cause in the first case EVs are way superior.
I'm a heavy mileage person (25k plus per year) and my EV is just fine thanks 😊
@@ewenbruce5851 That is interesting - and encouraging. Can you tell us more about how you manage that?
Here in Canada I love the charging stops especially going from Sechelt BC on the Sunshine Coast to Vancouver BC (40 minutes on a ferry) to Calgary AB, those charging stops are usually less than 20 minutes and allow us to take in the very beautiful mountain scenery at each stop! I use to travel this none stop in a ICE car, I I am much more enjoy the route, scenery and ease of travel without the drone of the ICE, constant downshifting of the transmission and high rev's through the multiple mountain passes, what a pleasure, never going to ICE again!
Never had an issue taking a Tesla on the Eurotunnel. The Model Y is 3cm wider than the Kia hence why they allocate the single deck carriage which is used for wider vehicles. I’ve only ever found it about £10 more. Rather that than risk kerbing my wheels on the single deck carriage.
I have done two family holidays from Liverpool to the continent to the continent in a mid spec ID3, both over 1000 miles. They were incredibly easy. I only had one charge per trip where I had to stop longer than the kids did anyway. You DO NOT need a Tesla for eVs to be great. In fact there are quite a few better EVs out there now.
Like what?
@@Twin.motorsprobably models like the Lucid Air, Taycan, A6-etron. Ya know. Cars that are at least 50% more expensive.
I did 2000kms around Norway earlier this year in a Tesla M3LR.
I dont know what to say it was seemless.
Had the hire car company not given me a Tesla i would have said right there and then just give me an ICE car, as i am definitely not faffing about with all the hassle of a non Telsa roadtrip in a foreign country.
Luxury is spending less time refuelling, having more freedom of choice of where and when to stop, and peace of mind. All things I’d happily pay more for, especially on holidays.
That's fair. Infrastructure needs to get better still. But also.. Even in an extreme case, an EV owner can just rent a gas car for that one long road trip they do on holiday and then go back to never refueling, never having to stop, and peace of mind knowing they have a full battery every morning the rest of the year. Right? Cheaper too lol.
Fair point. I've just travelled an 800 mile round trip (in a diesel SUV 4x4) at 56mpg, £109 in Premium Diesel. First stop on the outbound leg was 30 minutes for lunch, on the return it was (I timed it!) 9 minutes for a splash and dash. Filled up the night before the trip, and the only time I thought about range was in the last 20 miles or so when I realised I'd still not need to refuel to make it safely home.
@@PixelVibe42 which diesel SUV is getting you 56 MPG?
Got interested in this question and did a bunch of math and scenarios. Real SUVs - no. Diesels SUVs (Wrangler, Tahoe, Suburban) don't break 20 MPG = extra fuel stop. In ideal conditions, a Kia EV9 also does it with an extra stop that's like 30 minutes instead of their 10. Not bad.
If you're talking midsized crossover (I can believe 50 MPG there), a Kia EV6 does it with your stops, but stays an extra 5 minutes in the return splash and dash. Really not bad. Not even including charging at the destination.
Obviously, these would be with ideal locations and timing. Yes, EV infrastructure still needs to get better before it's as easy as gas or diesel. But.. the tech is already here and still getting better. And like I said, rent a gas car if you need. $40 for an SUV where I live.
Comparing these three cars without mentioning the Model Y is considerably bigger is...just dumb.
The Model Y is 20 cm (almost 8 inches longer).
Also, the Model Y was the only 4WD car in the pack. Had you chosen the Model Y LR RWD, the price would have been 5k lower, the number of charging stop fewer and the price of electricity lower.
They're deliberately trying to paint EVs as bad. It's pathetic.
@ziploc2000 "Don't attribute to malice what can adequately can be explained by incompetence. "
1.Tesla Y is ridiculously overpowered compared to the other two
2.The Peugeot charging time is closer to 7 hours due to waiting to charge.
3.Tesla is the biggest,fastest,cheapest,nicest and cheapest to run.Good stuff
just to put it out there i did pretty much the same trip in my peugeot rcz this summer which is tuned and did the trip of sensible driving most of the time and did it on £120 worth of super unleaded petrol just over 1000 miles and that was 37-46mpg average and did less than 2 tanks of petrol so real world i had no messing about in my 13 year old car which is also an amazing drive
it's a Peugeot therefore not an amazing drive, you've clearly never driven a decent car
@ you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, you love driving microwaves so have no clue on what a decent car is you spend your life sat there watching your battery charge lol.
Good price sure but you're comparing 2 different types of vehicles. These were larger SUVs so they'd clearly cost more to run
@@Twin.motors was just an example of another car thats good for a roadtrip. not everyone drives an suv
£85 quid ( cheaper if you use non motorway services fuel ) for half an extra day of holiday and pick from hundreds of quick stops that suit you?
Petrol please.
Put the same 3 cars to the test for a week of commuting, school trips, grocery shopping etc which is what 95% of cars are actually used for 95% of the time... The cars should be driven together for a fair result. You will be surprised because home charging is much cheaper and the Tesla, unlike petrol cars, is more efficient in urban driving while petrol cars are least efficient in urban driving. The cost of fuel for the petrol car might be 5 times higher than the cost on the electric bill for the Tesla. In this test, the gap will be huge unlike the 1000 mile road trip which favours petrol cars, as we see on the video. Of course electric cars are always cheaper to run...
Also need the same test but for people who don’t have the ability to charge at home (a lot of people will never be able to charge at home)
Why? You car should be suitable for all your needs, so it makes sense to test it on the most demanding journey. Presumably otherwise all you need is a Renault Zoe.
But if all you need a car for is a few short trips then why throw £50k at buying an EV? You may as well just buy a £500 Peugeot 106d
It's quite simple, if you think it is acceptable to spend between 4 and 5 hours in service stations charging up on just a four day holiday, you are insane, cheaper or not.
For none Tesla EV's don to forget the European created A Better Route Planner, great tool and may actually advise on current charger availability.
Also, just wondering. The first charge took place while waiting for the Channel crossing. Did you include that time as well? That would not make sense as you had to wait anyway.
I’ve taken my early 2020 model 3 from Cambridgeshire to Switzerland and back with 5 adults on board and full of luggage and it didn’t need 10 supercharger stops. Not sure what you were doing there.
Absolutely bizarre. I've driven my Model 3 1600km's to Croatia. That wasn't 10 charging stops. A Model Y LR RWD should do at least 300km between charges (even to 80%). 10 (efficient) charging stops would put you north of 3000km's of range.
@@Jeroenneman 300km at 130km/h is barely 2:15 behind the wheel. Which is why I don't like EVs for these trips. Just annoying.
When I plan this route, the Tesla needs 7 charges. ( 3 on the way there, 1 at arrival to 100% , and 3 more to get to London ) And every charging session would take 13-17 minutes. So 3hours of charging on a 16 hour roadtrip. Not too bad.
Actually it's perfectly reasonable to assume this is a typical summer family holiday trip from UK. I bet a new Skoda Superb estate Diesel would've probably done this trip on nearly 1 tank of the black stuff and it would've been also more capacious than all these 3 so called SUVs and quicker to get to the destination( 1 day without an overnight stop) or the faff for the Tesla on the Eurotunnel requiring booking on the single deck shuttle. But hey diesel is not acceptably green and all that! So why hasn't the What car team included this model in their test? Last years model was the winner of the most economical estate car - What Car own's evaluation! One last thing not everyone has the cash to splash on 2 cars - 1 electric for local trips and one for the long trips to Europe...nevermind that if you'd want to travel to the not so well developed parts of Europe in terms of charging infrastructure it would be a big pain trying to plan your journey - how many extra stops and time wasted charging or not finding suitable working chargers
I did over 1,800 miles to Copenhagen and back in my electric Nissan Ariya this summer using Tesla chargers and I charged 14 times. My total fees worked out at 19p per mile. In only 1 stop were all the chargers in use so I went to a nearby Fastened station. Easy-peasy.
Not once did I feel tired in the entire trip.
Nice to see the WhatCar? team dishing out 'love' reactions exclusively for the few complimentary comments in here.
Lots of fair and constructive feedback to be taken from plenty of viewers in the comments. (Many of which are seemingly from well-seasoned EV owners).
Sit up, take note and show (equal) appreciation 👍.
(I'm not expecting a 'heart' reaction 😅.)
To me this just highlights how much diesel is so much cheaper and better.
My PHEV only does 40mpg on petrol.
My VW 2.0TDi does 65mpg.
Add the extra cost to buy an EV and then the cataclysmic deprecation it's a no brainer for me. Once we sell our PHEV I'd definitely buy the same make and model but the 1.5 diesel version.
New diesel passenger vehicles will be banned soon in most couuntries
@@PsychedMedia Then now is the time to buy a nice new one to last for a fair few years...
We own a house in Charante so make a similar journey. Currently use my diesel Duster, but will be using my partner's EV in future. We have sussed out options - his can use Tesla superchargers as a non Tesla. I just have to question why anyone would use the tunnel from the starting point of this video when they can have a much more pleasant trip on the Portsmouth to Caen ferry. Still a 5 hour drive the other side but you get 6 hours of rest or more on the ferry. Magical.
Not pleasant if you suffer seasickness
I can commute up to 300 miles a day with my 2023 Tesla MY LR and it only costs me 50 cents to charge thanks to my Tesla Electric residential plan. That plan provides unlimited charging for only US $15/month (50 cents a day). Nothing beats the price and convenience of a Tesla and Tesla Electric Unlimited Charging!
Wonder which oil company sponsor Whatcar?
It is fair to allocate part of the maintenance costs of the hybrid to the cost of this trip.
Sorry in the petrol car you were not stationary for 10 minutes over 1000 miles. Not going to disagree about having the choice of where to stop but that smug it takes me 5 minutes to refill my petrol car is daft. You fuel an ev while you do other things not sitting there like a lemon holding a handle on a hose and wondering off to pay
What a woke😂😂😂
@@jamie-hb8gy took me 45 minutes of sitting in trafic to get to morrisons for diesel the other week with traffic for the van last week when i needed to drive in the opposite direction and was fuming. When you're not desperately trying to classify people into arbitrary groups you have probably had similar experiences. The fuel went in in 5 mins though...
1st of all , how much do you spend while you're doing "Other things" that you don't need to do because you've got to fill your time while you wait around charging .
2nd .How long are you waiting at the checkouts waiting to pay for these other things you do while your charging. Invariably it costs more than just charging.
3rd. Most pumps now you can actually pay at the pump !!
Who's the lemon , wasting time they don't need to and spending money they don't have to ?
It does make me laugh how much you extole the benefits of wasting your time under the guise of comfort breaks.
Lets be completely honest , If you're not on your way to where you need to be , you're wasting time . I'd much rather be enjoying what I'm supposed to be doing , where I'm supposed to be doing it ASAP , than doing " other things" because I don't have a choice whether I do them or not.
I get EVs can work but don't try and Glaze people into thinking waiting around charging isn't wasting time or you don't spend money doing it.
@@derekdrummond7544 woke
@@Stepbystep74 what a woke
Once again, Tesla is king of BEVs. You cannot beat the leader in BEV technology.
Hey 😡
Where is diesel contender?!
My god if this doesn’t tell you an EV is a joke I do t know what does. The time wasted is a joke and with kids my god no bloody way.
Did a trip down to Morocco in a 2006 320d with 240k on the clock with 4 adults and a car full of luggage. Managed to get 47 mpg and didn’t have to think about the pumps until over half way through France from Hertfordshire. Not to say that EVs aren’t suited to these journey but those waiting times would have made my journey much more of a headache.
Yes - I can easliy get over 40mpg on a long trip (in a 2 litre non-hybrid ICE) and I certainly don't fill up at Motorway Service stations either of course. When I purchased my car it was at least £10k cheaper than the equivelent EV. That works out at 72,000 miles of free petrol - so these comparisons clearly do not compare the overall cost of EV ownership. Maybe they should also throw in depreciation costs too? Nothing in principle against EVs but currently plan to keep my ICE lady for some time to come....
I could get 1100km out of my old 1998 Audi A4 1.9 diesel on a trip. So basically you never thought about stopping until you were hungry or needed the bathroom.
For those not aware, the Tesla tells you exactly how many stalls are free, and even warns you if that location is busy, reccomending to choose another location if possible. If he paid attention, he could have stopped at another supercharger with availability.
So with an EV, an enjoyable holiday becomes a miserable tour to different charging points. Other cars can easily do the whole trip with 10 to 15 minutes at the petrol station, not hours at a charging station.
you don't eat or use a bathroom then, good for you
Yes, of course a combustion-engined vehicle can do long distances more conveniently by way of 'fuel' stops...
But, combustion-engined vehicles are also polluting the very air you, me and our kids and grandkids breathe, day-in, day-out - causing potentially fatal, chronic asthma and other debilitating respiratory diseases.
At some point, Society needs to make a tough decision - to ban ALL combustion-engined vehicles from our built up, urban spaces where people live and work.
Yes, that's going to create 'inconvenience' compared to what drivers have been used to for the last century - but, it's simply GOT to happen if we want the World's future doctors, nurses, police and fire personnel to have a fighting chance of a healthier life.
I sincerely hope mankind doesn't make the same mistake as it did with allowing leaded petrol to continue to be sold, down to the corporate greed of the Oil Industry, despite the over-60 years of reported cancers and deaths directly attributable to that fuel - and they're still 'pulling-the-strings' of politicians and Governments the world over, with their funding of anti-EV FUD.
Sounds like you don't have kids. Stops are common with a family, petrol or not.
I'm an electrician who still drives gas and diesel work trucks. Electric really needs efficiency at highway speeds, an optimized extra gear like that new porsche would be major.
If the solid state batteries really perform like they're saying its over either way. Over two times the capacity at equal weights just to start with.
Here we give again bringing up the fact that you have to move your eyes of head to check your speed in a Tesla, how about moving your head or eyes to keep checking your rear view mirror, it’s absolutely no difference. When Whatcar review minis they don’t the mention the binnacle in the centre which you need to look at to check your speed
One Imperial gallon of petrol has a mass of 3.43231 kilograms, 13% (0.4462 kg) is hydrogen. One kilogram of hydrogen contains 33.33333 kwh. So the Kia Sportage is getting 35.3 ÷ (0.4462 * 33.33333) equals 2.37 miles per kilowatt hour.
To convert miles per kwh to miles per gallon multiply by 14.873.
Cost per mile.
Kia = 197.29 ÷ 1059 = 0.1863 per mile
Tesla = 113.07 ÷ 1007 = 0.1123 per mile
Peugeot = 159.63 ÷ 1063 = 0.1502 per mile
I think the Peugeot is the most fantastic-looking car of all three cars both inside and out, I love style and the E3008 has style, every other thing I can leave with
What charging card/app did they use for the Peugeot?
this is the first review that i see someone saying the build quality and materials in the 3008 is bad !!!
peugeot in the last year's have better interiors than the luxury Germans Wtf r u talking about dude
@Anashere_Narrnda you're right, the same guy who said 3008 builds quality was fantastic in his Previous review..
Congratulations for the 500k! I have no doubt you will get 1 million soon.
How much would a diesel have cost I wonder. You’d def get more than 35 mpg than you did in the petrol I’m sure
should easily get 60mpg out of alot of diesels, even my 2.0 mild hybrid petrol mazda gets 50mpg on a motorway run
But diesels sound like a tractor. Petrol much cleaner burn.
Diesels are basically dead , barely any brand sells them new anymore
@ but still in demand
Halfway through the video and no1 mentioned the ease of long drives using the autopilot on the Tesla….. 😂
Another pointless test. In the UK 99% of domestic daily use is less than 200 miles. A months test as per @ziploc2000 said is way more important.
And if that's the case get the cheapest electric vehicle available
Also pointless bothering to test economy in cars that cost around £40k. For most people that means buying the car on PCP/Finance - and only people with zero money sense do that. A better EV vs ICE test would be to look at the best all-rounder (daily driver and long-distance runner) you can get on a budget of less than £10k.
As most people only own one car, then surely it has to cover all use cases? Otherwise what you probably need is a bus pass.
I live in France and have always managed to find hotels where I can plug into an Ac charger overnight for free. Nearly 6 years into Kia e-Niro ownership and haven't had to change driving habits at all from my ICE days when I would always take a 20 to 30 minute break to feed and rest the human machine anyway..with the EV I add plugging in to that routine. The reliability and low cost of running the EV beats any ICE I have ever owned
one of the perks of an EV is to charge overnight at lodging. there are plenty of lodging that offers lvl 2 chargers. choosing to not choose a lodging with lvl 2 charger is not representative of the actual experience. also, you dont need to wait and charge to full for tesla. just charge enough to get to the next charger. saves a lot of time. because of the charge curve of EVs.
Motei 6 have chargers...how much is a hotel w/charger.
Pfft, plenty of Poles drive their EVs from North England to Eastern Poland. I done it 3 times, no sweat. And i charged 4 times so not sure how those get 10 charges for 1000 miles.
Seriously, how did you "need" to stop and charge a Model Y TEN TIMES (!!!) in 1000 miles? There was lots of EV user malpractice going on in your test. You used them like they were rental cars that you didn't know how to get the best out of - vs. experienced EV owners.
You have confirmed what I and most people already know. A long journey in an EV is a lot less convenient and a lot more stressful than in a petrol or Diesel engined car. I regularly drive from Liverpool to the south of France in my 2020 VW Passat 2.0 TDi Estate which returns an average of 72 mpg on motorways and autoroutes (which I have worked out myself as a cross check) which gives me a range of 1,080 miles on a 15 gallon tankful and doesn’t require topping up either en route, or for some considerable time after running around when I get there. There is no way I will be swapping my diesel ULEZ compliant car for an EV where most of my journey will be spent stressing about my dwindling range and where I can find a working, available, compatible charger. It never pays to be an early adopter of any new technology as they will soon be either obsolete or superseded and that is why sales of battery EVs are flatlining as private buyers are rightly sceptical of them, can’t afford the initial price or the huge depreciation, don’t need the stress of the already pitiful range which in the real world is about 20% less than the lies (sorry, “official range”) stated by the manufacturers and are sensibly sitting on their hands for a few years to see how soon this doomed EV experiment grinds to a halt, having destroyed UK car manufacturing before the government wakes up to what it has done.
Good thing you didn't charge overnight or you'd end up with 30 hours of electric car charging. sure hope you sell cars better than you test them.
And ? What would be the issue?
Great film and discussions. Sportage is popular for good reasons. I once drove a rental (with defect parking brake), but its ride and noise deadening impressed.
Always so many variables and open to criticism... I think adding in comfort breaks and food stops would have been fairer for THIS test, as it would show how EVs can be fueled at the same time... 10 stops for 1000 is crazy though.
Instead of measuring charging times etc and especially fuel prices - how about factoring how much the cars polluted during the journey? Including pollution during fuel production
Please highlight the enviromental factor, seems like many reviewers just ignore this in comparisons!
Well said. After all it is now becoming clearer the great con that has been foisted upon us regarding how allegedly good for the environment EV's are, when actually once you factor in all of the initial build costs they are nothing short of a disgrace.
Do a life cycle cost of ownership with let's say 280 000km. Initial investment, insurance, maintenance cost, value depreciation, time spent charging on trips, adding gasoline etc.
Who the hell drives a car 280,000km? 5 years 70000 km would be more reasonable.
@@peterbroad1772 Until very recently I did that many miles a year.
Great vid, so say £60 extra to save 3-4 hours + in the petrol. Easiest decision ever.
Totally. If you want to just get somewhere, an EV is not the way to go.
The petrol did more miles, so the price is a little lower by 5%.
@@sargfowler9603 Would only change the cost of the Kia by about 10£, which is still 65% more than you would pay with the tesla
Well you have to work extra for that £60. At £15 per hr ( median salary of net £2400 a month ) you need 4 hours of your life to work to pay for the fuel. Tesla charged for 3.5 hours sooooooo you're saving 30 minutes overall with the Tesla.
Also you've just added 1000 miles , so you're closer to needing an oil change, add that to the cost as well.
@@Twin.motors Then there's depreciation of the EVs. It's difficult to work out, but if you do a lot of miles to/from work a used EV is the way to go.
@@Twin.motors ....and don't forget to factor in depreciation. On the ICE that would be miniscule...on the EV it is cataclysmic.
Whoever edited the "Meanwhile" and "A few moments later" is a COMEDIC GOD!
So you cheated charging to 100%, damaging the e's long term! 'Chargers all in use'...hmm! What is the ground clearance of the Tesla Y? Titanium white seating, is that popular in Vegas, perhaps, amongst certain males?
Which kind of males? Some of us prefer light interiors. Cars have become coffin like.
as a tesla owner i can 100% say Teslas are the best robot car around.
This year I have completed 3 euro trips of around 2000 miles each
I wouldn’t have done it with the stress of an ev
I remember pulling in near Reims for petrol.
It was well busy. I just left and went to the next one as petrol is everywhere
The 8.8 sec-Stellantis has the same price as the 4.8 sec-Marketleader? How long do they think they can continue this behavior?
Not just that but there is a £4000 cheaper Model Y with MORE range and still has 5.9 seconds
Why not add in the time the Kia stopped to fill up and eat, toilet breaks etc
Thank you , very useful and a measured assessment
If you wanna do long distances you buy a diesel, because diesel is king no matter what
Nonsense, I commute from Dorset to London on a regular basis and charge overnight at home and it costs me about £4 for the journey of around 260 miles. How much does it cost in a diesel £30-35?
@@MarkN67 More than that. I drove from Bournemouth to Hampstead and it cost me £80 in my BMW.
Meanwhile if I wanted to go from Bournemouth to Manchester for the day out at Trafford centre, I'd only have to charge once and at trafford for £18 (Tesla charger is £0.24/kWh) to get back home.
So no inconvenience because the car would be charging while I am in the shops hah, can't say the same for smelly diesel
@@iambenmitchell I was costing for my last car doing around 50mpg, we also don’t have to think about an expensive service every 20,000. 👍
@@MarkN67 Yep, my BMW did about 39 mpg on the motorway because it was super high milage and falling apart. Glad it's gone now. 189,200 miles before I sold it
just give everyone asthma. 😂 nice work fella
It’s staggering how much we get ripped off for energy prices in the UK. It’s little wonder the manufactures can’t hit their EV quotas in the UK. Much as I don’t like Mr Musk or particularly care for Tesla’s, the supercharger network is a real achievement. Here we are a decade later and it’s still significantly better than anything else out there.
You cannot beat the leader (Tesla) in BEV technology. They had a headstart on everyone.
I'm 47yrs old. $73,000 biweekly and I'm retired, this video have inspired me greatly in many ways!!!! Thanks Elon❤️
I'm highly inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the bi-weekly stuff you mentioned.
All thanks to Maria Luisa Clare
Yes! I invested $1 yesterday and already my annual yield is topping $37 trillion.
Maybe compare a monthly run of commuting 800 miles. My EV cost me $15 @ 0.08 kw, $45 mo @ 0.25 Kw. My jeep cost me $40 week plus oil changes, which are always a joy.
What I get from this vid , is that EV's are a total ball ache.
The journey isn't about getting from A to B, it's about getting to the next charger and then enter Groundhog Day mode by doing this 10 times.
Only the way those idiots drive them.
No, they really aren't. Only if you don't have a clue what you're doing 😢
This is quite far from representative imo, 99% of miles will be charged at a slow charger at home/work, and if you stop over night on a journey it is often possible to find overnight charging!
A lot of people saying you can charge it when you stop I very rarely stop on 500 miles trips in fact the quicker I get there the better couldn't be arsed waiting on my car to charge
Peugeot is the best-looking car here, in my opinion. Nobody mentioned that its interior is based on recycled and eco materials. They didnt even talk about the second screen that is so very helpful. No one mentioned that you can voice control almost anything in Peugeot. Press the mic button on the steering and adjust temperature, fan speed, navigation, music and what not.
Really, really don’t understand why you still make these pointless videos. What you do is you use Zap Map etc to find out where you’re going to charge. You get the price per kw/h for the relevant charger. You take the distance you’re travelling, divide it by your car’s typical efficiency and multiply it by that price. That’s it. I didn’t watch more than the first minute - presumably there were some arty slow motion shots.
You might have too much faith in the average driver if you think they're capable of doing that, let alone want to. In car sat navs just have to get better, they need to be at the level of A Better Route Planner with options of more frequent & shorter stops or fewer longer stops, as accurate with arrival percentage as Tesla, pre-conditioning automatically, along with handling charger congestion.
Amazing video really enjoyed too quality lads
How on earth did you manage to stop ten times in 1,000 miles in a long range Tesla? It’s six stops totalling 1hr40min in my M3P!
And M3P is as thirsty as a pig. My brother and I drove a Y LR and a M3P side by side 2000km and the M3P uses so much more energy.
I commute to work by public transport, our car is only for groceries and travelling. I did a TCO calculation for all types, eventually just bought a ICE car. Next buy will be a hybrid, hybrid got better and cheaper so, we give it a go.. more out of convenience. The high range of hybrid cars is really nice! Even with our current ICE we only fill twice to reach South of France.