"He was an idiot." He was also a member of HER crew and thus HER responsibility. In no modern navy, army or air force would an officer of any integrity get away with blaming subordinates for a disaster under their command. So if "he was an idiot," her defense is that she's incompetent and has no control over her own crew. Which means she has no business commanding a bowel movement, let alone a starship.
Perfect contrast: Notice how Barclay was mentored by LaForge. That was a prime example of a mid-level leader being sandwiched in between the command staff (namely Riker, who was getting sick of Barclay being on report, and as any vet knows s*** rolls downhill) and an underperforming subordinate. He took an interest in Barclay, got firm where necessary, and while he didn't exactly become some stellar officer he did end up doing some good things in Starfleet. Compare that to this entitled little c*** who is quite similar to literally every female with any modicum of authority throughout Kurtzman Trek, and you'll see which iteration of Starfleet would fold and utterly fail at the slightest bit of adversity because these power tripping harpies would do nothing but pass the buck and insist on always being right and perfect.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel It's hard to see an officer like that dealing with some of the real clusterfucks that have happened on Picard or Sisko's watch. Remember how personally Sisko took Eddington's betrayal? Though Odo and Kira were tasked with station security, Sisko took responsibility. Captain Karen here would've been all "It wasn't my fault. He was sneaky and my staff suck."
@@Siegzon Oh, shut up. One, no it doesn't. And two, not at all anywhere even remotely the subject, and I'm not American or British or Afghani and couldn't give two fifths of a shit.
"He was an idiot" "He was under your command, it was your responsibility as a senior officer to guide and coach him, you've displayed incompetence and gross negligence towards a member of your crew and as a result they have lost their life. We hereby relieve you of duty" There, fixed it 🤣
Honestly, i could imagine that after that last sentence fall, her last comment would be "Pf. Typical for old white man. Blame the woman for what an idiot did." And if we would talk about REAL Star Trek or a REAL court martial, the answer from the Admirals should be: "Come back here, Captain. WHAT did you just say? I don't think, you know, in what position you are! You had command of that ship for only a few days. And in this short amount of time, you just didn't lost one of your subordinates, who was in YOUR responsibility. You also lost that ship due to a failed experiment which caused a few Tribbles to multiply so much, that you couldn't even activate the selfdestruct sequence. And because of that, the ship drifted into Klingon Space with thousands of Tribbles onboard. Our best Diplomates had a very hard time, to explain the Klingons, that this was only an accident and no declaration of war from our side. And YOU got the nerve to insult not only your dead crewmember but FIVE Starfleet Admirals?! When i look into the faces of my colleagues here, i think we all here agree, that you are no Starfleet Material. We will recall your Officer's patent and release you from Starfleet permanently. And we will take care, that you will never ever fly on a Starship again! DISMISSED!"
That's how it WOULD/SHOULD have went if this was the real world. But since Star Trek is a joke of itself now. "he's an idiot! j/k k thx BYEEEEEEEEE GIRL POWER!"
@@WERob-to5sp That's lipstick, or Champaign, feminism, the male-hating misandry to the far left of feminism. Feminism isn't sexism. It's the belief men and women are equal, that each should treat the other with dignity and respect. If that's not being held accountable for our actions, if that's sexism and preferential treatment, we've a really narrow understanding of what those things actually are. Check out Doctor Who, before Chibnall got ahold of it. There's the example of a popular feminist in the lead, what it actually is. Fifty years of it.
One of my favorite scenes in Star Trek is when Data is acting captain and has to deal with Worf giving him an attitude. He takes him privately into the ready room, and gives him a brutal yet completely formal lecture on his behavior. And Worf, being the honorable Klingon he is, recognizes his fault and accepts the criticism. They part having resolved the issue and, more importantly, agreeing to not let it effect their friendship. That scene is important because it encapsulates how the relationships between characters in Star Trek SHOULD work. Duty and decorum are vital to maintaining the cohesion of the crew, but underneath all of that these characters strive to have strong personal relationships as well. Conflicts are resolved through enforcement of Starfleet regulations _and_ through personal comradery. New Trek treats these characters like office workers who barely care about each other, but the reality is these people live together in what amounts to a small town over the course of years.
Yes. We all mess up sometimes. We're all human. But what is SO TERRIBLE about feminist WOKE ideology is that women can never admit to any wrong doing. So they have to look for perverted ways to justify their sadism. HENCE "Wa-mihn." They are always whining.
Remember in The Undiscovered Country, when Kirk was on trial for the assassination of the Klingon Chancellor? He agreed that a captain is responsible for the actions of their crew Kirk was leadership material
-"As Captain, I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command."- "My crew is full of idiots. This conversation is over. Case dismissed......this is the end of the conversation."
by today's standards Kirk should not BE in command because of his white male cisgender hetro privilege. Notice these days all commanders and officers in starfleet MUST be alien or minority. Hmm
"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this".... I'm actually offended by this. I'm former Navy, and naval culture is most of what Starfleet uses as a baseline for ranks and the like. In THIS situation, he would actually be in his rights to have HER written up, because officers, especially Commanding Officers are held to a higher standard of behavior. You don't *ever* get to speak to a junior officer in that manner, period.
Why would we expect writers of the caliber of those currently working on Star Trek to have any concept of anything as complex as how to speak to subordinates? These guys are probably the type of petty tyrant that no manager in their right mind would allow anywhere near a position of authority. The scene is literally a SJW's fantasy of what it would be like to be in charge; where they can verbally bully their subordinates and aren't held accountable for the actions of the people under their command.
Yeah I would certainly question how SHE got to her position behaving/talking like SHE did. Writers elevating others by making the "competition" look stupid just makes themselves look stupid by association. Flawless writing, if this was kindergarten. Oh TNG how I miss you so. ruclips.net/video/COIPAjSpd6M/видео.html
@@LoneWolf-rc4go I worked with someone EXACTLY like her. She was the epitome of the SJW in a managerial position. I mean, the absolute stereotype of these types of people: obsessed with Crossfit and yoga (if you did neither, then she berated you for it), constantly switched to whatever current fad diet, was "gluten intolerant", and so on. But by and large, just the most insufferable person you could meet. And she constantly demeaned people, but shutdown anyone who tried to defend themselves. Apparently, she got ahead by falsely reporting sexual harassment. These people do exist.
1) no stand by 2)hostile workplace 3)no irs employed 4)not told wrong behavior 5) deriliction of duty Each one is tagged with an additional 134 starfleet equivalent charge They would throw the book at her and her command staff Looking at time in penal colony
@Zoomer Waffen that isn't what she said at all. She said for the idiot woman she was replying to to STOP asking for martial law, because martial law is the military killing civilians for disobedience and isn't a good idea at all.
There was a time when Starfleet actually looked like an organization run with a military sense of decorum and professionalism, less like McHale's Navy and more like the actual Navy.
Exactly! I kinda thought the same. Captain Edward Jellico is a great example. He was prepared for when shit hit the fan. The crew did understand the chain of command, begrudgingly mind you. Discovery is when the federation is at war. So following orders is a must in a militaristic structure. Had that episode be made today. Someone accessing webmd would make a half ass story about PTSD. Rather a whip snap of reality that the other will destroy your ship or prisoners without care.
I guess it goes with the times, it reflects modern leftist ideology in the Army and why it's failing so hard not getting anybody to join them anymore. Nobody wants to die for some foreign country's interests so their corrupt politicians get richer while America burns.
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
The man made it through the Academy to successfully become a Starfleet officer, so him being an "idiot" is entirely subjective. Gone are the days of scenes like Major Kira and the assumed Gul Darheel in DS9's prison cells.
@@525Mat_ Totally agree. The development of Kira's character in that one episode, from hating Cardassians purely for being Cardassian to understanding that cruelty isn't inherent to them, is incredibly well done on everyone's part. The closing scene with the Bajoran radical just brings it all together beautifully.
It really shows how far the writing quality has dropped for the show when they 'forget' that getting into Starfleet academy is tough and they only accept the best of the best.
"He was an idiot" on a ship that you were in charge of. That you lost because you couldn't handle one "idiot". I'm not sure what that makes him but it's clear what it makes you.
Is that a clip from an actual official Star Trek show or some fan made shit? I know this sounds dumb but I'm seriously asking (I don't follow the new stuff anymore) ..
@@entropy11 Never heard of those, but as I mentioned I stopped watching a couple of years ago. And if these Short Treks are any indicator for today's quality of ST writing I'm glad i stopped. Just out of curiosity, do they fill story "holes" between different ST shows and movies with these shorts?
That line alone is the one line that any manager, supervisor, superior officer or Captain would never say in that situation. That line alone is enough to inform us that she is not Captain Material. Can you imagine Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Sisko or any other saying that when one of their crew died?
The series promotes feminist propaganda and is a reflection of the sexist culture that exists among the writers and producers. This is why the phrase 'feminazism' was coined.
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
@@ShemPayne We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
The scene depicted contributed significantly to my being turned completely off by Kurtzman’s new Trek (I was well on my way already). It made me wince and angry, and wonder how anyone with any amount of knowledge and respect for Star Trek could have written it. The officer comes across as a completely arrogant, snarky, rude, and incompetent ass who doesn’t know how to lead someone who just needed some guidance. As a former real world leader and manager, it’s a perfect example of poor leadership. I literally hate watching it since it disgusts me so much. I never thought Star Trek would end up in such truly incompetent and clueless hands.
Came here to see or say this. Exactly right. Contrast with how this was handled on a good show, TNG, with Barclay. Barclay was a bit creepy at first in addition to needing guidance, and yet the enlightened crew of the 1701D took him and helped him rather than toss him aside. Can you imagine what Kurtzman Trek would do to Barclay, he’s a straight, white male, so he’s already got that going against him. This is why I ignore any Trek made after 2005.
@@YT1300MF and look how the character of Barclay ended up being written, he became a respected member of the pathfinder project and was instrumental in establishing contact with Voyager. He would never achieve anything if he'd been written for std.
So true. I worked on passenger ferries for years and it took me an absolute age to find my footing and fit in. It was one of the First Officers who took the time and encouraged me. By the time I finished there I was CSO(command of a cabin crew), had worked deck, bridge watch, type rated for 2 fast craft vessels. I achieved so much more than I would have without that extra help and push an not ashamed to say but I was bloody good at that job. Takes a good officer/leader/manager to get the best out of their people and the depiction here is the exact opposite.
The thing about modern "Trek" that I hate the most, and this short is a prime example, is just how mean spirited it is. We can argue about the politics and economics of the Trek universe, but the one thing everybody SHOULD be able to agree on is that Trek was never meant to be mean spirited. It was never supposed to revel in it's own pettiness and loathing. It was supposed to be better than that.
I think the modern "Trek" series encapsulates what is wrong with mainstream culture. Being petty and loathing is now seen as a virtue. We all thought those "I aspire to be that level of petty" to be somewhat ironic memes, but they aren't. They're red flags that somehow we have reached a point where it's acceptable and even celebrated to be nasty.
@@someopinionateddirt6561 Therin lies another huge problem with modern "Trek". The writers are using it as a vehicle to reflect their interpretation of modern society is back at the viewer. That was never the point of Trek. Trek exists to show the viewers a vision of the future that we should all be working towards. It gave us something to strive for. Something to be hopeful for. What's worse is that by showing us their interpretation of modern day society, complete with doom, gloom, and one sided political and cultural takes that leave no room for discussion or understanding, they end up damaging the culture themselves, and we just end up in this endless cycle of loathing.
I never lived in a world where the original Star Trek didn't exist; and the one thing I loved most was its spirit of hopefulness. And ironically, that series wasn't written in a utopian era -- it was written during the Vietnam War, and the Cold War, when even the Star Trek writers couldn't imagine a world where we escaped World War III with the Soviet Union. Yet the series held out hope for humanity, and that's what I've always loved. I could come home from a miserable day and put in one of the VHS tapes my family had recorded; and whatever episode it was, it cheered me up. Even when an alien was tricking the Enterprise crew and the Klingons into fighting each other because the alien fed off their negative energy, the humans and the Klingons could unite in temporary truce. Now, the nasty bitterness of Wokeist spite oozes like pus out of every franchise they infect. The people who claim to be against hate, are the personification of hate, and destruction is the only thing they can create.
The one reason why I love ALL of the Star Trek is BECAUSE NO ONE MENTIONED RACISM OR GENDER IDENTITY. I saw how any one can be a scientist and that's why I became a scientist even when in reality, most of my teachers discouraged me because there wasn't enough blacks. Glad I didn't listen to them as I am now a Software Engineer. I still watch Star Trek (all series and movies) BSG, Eureka, and Stargate(all series and movies) on replay.
I agree. TOS and later iterations featured a crew working together each time to face an external challange that was greater than their internal conflicts. There was teamwork and trust. The 'zeitgeist' now seems to be the Lone Maverick who knows better than everyone else, and who survives among a crew where everyone's ripping each others' throats out.
@UCAtPcECQEz16bD3Y26eqm_g i dont give a F*** about the human flaws of the man-i do care for the art that he left and that made millions happy and inspired even more!what they shit out as "Trek" these days is much more destructive and humiliating than an overpaid actor in a minor role,crying about her dressing that made her rich and popular in the first place!
It's done on purpose too. In ep 2 of season 1 of STD they had a very 'TNG ensign' type of character enter the brig Burnham was held in during a battle. He was injured and panicking, talking about how they were explorers not soldiers. She talked down to him then he got blown out into space. THAT was when I knew they didn't want trekkies watching. Belittling then killing male Starfleet officers seems to be something that happens over and over again in STD.
As someone social awkward and with anxiety how TNG handled Barkley meant a lot to me. What they're doing now is an embarrassment. A fanfic writer could do better.
@@georgeso4364 well normally fanfic writers genuinely like the source material and are writing about characters they love. That level of sincerity isn't president in any of nu-trek.
It's insulting to me too since I am also awkward and have social anxiety sometimes. It's interesting that woke SJWs claim to be for the outliers and the disenfranchised in society yet will belittle most of the outliers in society to push their agenda.
She sounds and looks like a 12 year old. I have people around me who are not good at their job. They don't mean to do it, they are just capable of so much. I do what I can to put them in a position to be productive. Work gets done and they feel accomplished.
Same, I have a crew member that is... well... He's unique. And there are times I wanna throttle him, but I don't. I build him up and encourage him, and he's a better worker today than he was a year ago. And I didn't have the benefit of academy training and command training. Someone give me a ship lol
Exactly! I'll never forget when I was working at a site with a new co-worker who was very dedicated but was having so much trouble in the position he was in. But when he was redirected into areas where he COULD do better, it helped him and it also helped us to be a better work force overall. Berating and belittling him would've only made everything worse.
This is why, after decades of loving Star Trek, I don't watch it anymore. I prefer to remember how inspirational it was, and not spoil the memory by watching this new stuff.
Right on. The only series I will watch is Picard. The movie reboot was more ST than anything on TV which is why I enjoy the rewatching DVDs and only had Picard season 1 on DVD. I think ST on TV lost it with Voyager.
"He mixed their DNA with that of humans so they would breed faster." Ah yes, humans, those notoriously fast-breeding animals, with their gestation time of a mere nine months and average litter size of a whopping 1.1. Such an intelligent show!
Directly contradicting Enterprise (I just rewatched this episode a few nights ago) where Phlox says that their planet is full of reptilian predators and constant reproduction is the only way the Tribble species survives.
Also... he's SMART enough to be ABLE to do that... but he's stupid, too... so stupid he can't even use his own PDA... when he probably would have had to use computers to help accomplish the task of combining their DNA. I'd suggest a new Olympic sport... "mental gymnastics"... but I wouldn't want to reward this stupidity
"I don't know how you made it this far..." That line, the lack of self awareness of the character also reflects on the writers lack of self awareness and self reflection. They don't see themselves as the possible problem, so they believe themselves justified in being obnoxious and utter spiteful attitude.
@@darthgibsonlp6631 Or they try to, but either back-down or seethe and rage when challenged back. The latter group will usually wind up lying to some 'higher authority' in an attempt to force their will.
*Guy causes the destruction of a Starfleet ship due to Tribbles = "He was an idiot." *Burnham disobeys direct orders and single-handledly plunges the Federation into a war with the Klingons = *gets command of her own ship
The new Treks can be described in two words to describe why they don't work: mean spirited. The new shows are written by people who do not know real kindness, real tolerance, etc. They're written by people who do not know what forgiveness is. As the Bible says: evil will be known as good and good will be evil. And modern media demonstrate this.
@@zxyatiywariii8 I never want to hear how conservatives were moral authoritarians ever again. The Left and the media they put out are much worse than any boring Christian film that Kirk Cameron has been in.
Without the Enterprise crew helping Reg to come out of his shell, find his own path forwards and contribute to Star Fleet then Voyager would have been lost in the Delta Quadrant with no way to communicate home. Weird fact, Reg was in more Voyager episodes than TNG episodes.
Broccoli was one of the best characters. Dwight Schultz was already well-loved by A-Team fans who, by and large, were Trekkies. Bringing him onto the show and later reprising the character just shows how fantastic the studio producers were back then. They understood their fans and responded to the outpouring of love Barclay's story received. Next Generation was always predicated upon the notion that the best and the brightest made up Star Fleet, and that the best of Star Fleet were crew members of the Enterprise. Picard, being the stellar captain he was, understood this. Barclay's story is a very human one. Anyone can succumb to addiction, even great geniuses. Perhaps, often times, it's one's genius that drives them to said addiction. The bridge crew and Geordi recognizing that the genius among them was salvageable and a crucial component to the engineering team shows that Next Generation is FAR, FAR more woke on basic human principles than any of the trash rolling out by these feeble shadows of once great franchises.
@@jasonuerkvitz3756 Yeah. I think Woke stuff has been corrupted too. The origional idea was inclusivity and handling others' flaws. Not being cruel. But as always, things that are nice are also often not likely to fight, and get caught up in nasty portrayals. And so Anti-right isn't woke. It's not what this stands for. It's just another type of extremism. While burying the whole idea of an actual positive, futurism-based thing in the dirt.
Glad some folks are watching Discovery--if only because someone had to point this out. You nailed it. Barclay was a classic character--the oddball who didn't fit in. And the crew, despite their own prejudices endeavored to make him a functional part of the crew. The contrast between TNG's handling of Barclay and this guy is glaring.
While I have enjoyed what little I have seen of the F troop of the Star Trek universe (Lower Decks) This short trek story seemed like a Family Guy/Bob's Burger instead of a glimpse into the every day life of a Star Fleet crew. The whole end of the beat down that was supposed to be a Captain addressing a crew members weakness instead seemed like Peter from Family Guy holding is knee for 5 minutes going Ewww...Owww. It wasn't funny. It did not help that the "idiot" was played by H. Jon Benjamin.
He had composure while talking, she was aggressively trying to cut him off at every word. She was written a Karen lol. That one conversation was enough to show her character as a whole.
Can you imagine the hysterical Ree'ing if the genders were reversed in these scenes? Or if the 'butt of the joke' was a black woman? It would be unthinkable.
That’s the point they are making. It’s been like that and still is for everyone but what men-who have proven themselves to be the biggest, whiniest snowflakes ever, who can dish it out all day long but can’t take a micron of it.
Yeah... what we should take from that is that it shouldn't be doing *anything* of the sort. Old trek, it doesn't matter what group was on what side of the equation. Everyone was respected and valued.
@@heatherstarling1653Except men have taken the shit longer than blacks or women. The blacks and women are the only ones who can dish it but can't take it.
How did she make it so far in her career with her attitude? She sees a crew member in imminent danger and doesn't say a word. She looked like she completely froze, not knowing what to do. Not even a "look out". Great leader.
Maybe it's the diversity hires projecting themselves on this guy, because in real life it's usually the opposite how it works. Feminists think they can't do no wrong, but amazingly they are never right about anything.
Yeah, that’s why the set up makes no sense to me. If he was really that incompetent and stupid, he would have gotten weeded out at the academy. So the writers abandoned that bit of logic to try to make something that isn’t even funny.
If this woman went through Academy or training in field and passed to become a member of a crew on a star ship, still less captain of that ship, then it would NOT be Starfleet Academy or anything like it.
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. I’ve been wondering what is wrong with the spirit of this new Trek compared to the optimism of the TOS and TNG eras. In this video you’ve given a prime example of what you can call the Netflix effect, in which optimism is replaced by nihilism and moral compasses are taken away.
no he isn't,, he actually wanted the tv series to have a female captain, you people need to actually watch a program about what roddenberry ACTUALLY wanted. he was a WOKE PERSON. For the people thinking that I am saying that having a female captain makes me a sexiest. No, what I am saying is that Roddenberry was Woke because he wanted to use the show to push the social agenda's which was happening at the time. If he was alive today star trek would be anti male, pro feminist, blm, non gendered, sjw propaganda.
@@dagonming1319 Of course he was. The writing is the main issue. I doubt Roddenberry, had he gotten his way, would have allowed the writers to make his female captain an arrogant, child-like character who put down any subordinate she perceived as lacking. It’s all in the presentation and writing. Consider how well Cisco and Janeway, historic strong characters in Star Trek canon, were presented and written.
@@dagonming1319 We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
@@FernandoRodriguez-kl3oc We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this." Mind boggling how someone like her became captain with a petty and callous attitude. I guess its true that the culture reflects the health of the civilization producing it. Next Generation handled this trope amazingly but instead of belittling Barclay and dismissing him, they took the time to get to know him and helped him be the best he could be. A crew member died on her watch and her only defense was "He was an idiot."
Did you watch the actual short this is from? That guy was portrayed as a maniac right from his first scene and he tried to destroy the ship and murder everyone when the Captain called him on his behavior. He did this to himself.
@@ShadowSonic2So her solution is to transfer him off and let him be someone else's problem, instead of recommending a revaluation and/or dismissal. Well now we know how the guy made it this far in his career, it seems Kurtzman's Trek is full of incompetent captains that palms problems to others.
Just one more reason whites need to get the point. Where if a white is being actually oppressed. Then people have a fit about as much as any other race. As it is racist to bring up oh what if it was any other race and sex. As if we have to keep comparing white males to other races to show how bad off we are. We will never win.
Because that's what leaders are supposed to do. While I have a lot of issues with the command decisions Janeway made (namely putting her own crew members at extreme risk in order to save alien cultures) she's right about that one. Few people are unsalvageable, sometimes you have to come up with creative means to reach them and tap into their potential.
Kurtzman ACTUALLY said it himself in an interview that he could give a stuff about the Trek franchise. He's using it as a platform for his values. THAT is why Trek is where it is now ... because people like him are allowed to reign unchecked without our beloved franchises to push their bullshit.
Could give a stuff or couldN'T give a stuff? You're saying that they do care, but really you're trying say that they don't. One of the funniest quirks of (i am making an assumption here) American language.
@@noodles1595 Works both ways. People say "stuff it" when it comes to things they don't care about or don't want to do. At least here in Aus. Can't swear to other countries. So, again, here at least "could give a stuff" works in the same way "couldn't give a stuff" does.
to be fair, michael piller (think it was him)said a similar thing and went on to make ds9. i dont know for certain that was the person, but it was someone brought in to raise rating for star trek who, in an interview said he hated star trek, thought it was like how he imagined kansas, he wanted more drama.
The accidental best part of "The Trouble with Edward" was that a "SUPERIOR" woman is now one of the worst captains in Starfleet history for losing her command so quickly.
Star Trek is now inferior to 'Starship Goldfish' , made by a small Content-Creator. So stop watching it and instead go and watch that Small Content-Creator! I promise he is skillful and has EPIC HUMOR.
It's such a sad reflection of the people writing it, and indeed, of the current generation of writers in Hollywood. Once upon a time it was *understood* that if you took over a long established franchise -- a Dr Who, a Star Trek, a Star Wars, a Superman, a Batman, whatever it may be -- it used to be understood that if you took on that legacy you were only the temporary custodian of something bigger than you, something that had been around a long time before you and which you wanted to be steward of in such a way that it'd still be in good shape after you leave. The writers of EVERY previous Star Trek knew this. There were people who worked on The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise who've gone on record about how much they thought Roddenberry's vision was ridiculous and stymied their ability to tell the stories they wanted, heck among them are such heavy hitters as Battlestar Galactica's Ron Moore or DS9 showrunners Ira Behr. But what all these people knew is that if you're writing Star Trek, you have to write STAR TREK. If you don't want to find a way to write your story within the confines of Gene's Vision, you GTFO. And many writer's did leave. But those that remained, did so because they respected that you don't change Star Trek to suit your writing, you write to suit Star Trek. The modern showrunners just don't get that. Hollywood is now full of ideologues, and they're hell bent on changing every franchise to suit their agenda. They no longer care about legacy, history, or even making a profit. It's depressing. That being said, i do think them being able to hide on streaming has helped them. If they had to go out on mainstream commercial TV like all of the pre-2016 Star Trek shows did, I think they'd quickly find market forces bringing them back under control, eg removing all the gratuitous swearing for a start.
I was a lifelong fan of startrek. Star trek next generation basically raised me like the father I never had, and I am often shocked as an adult how much of my moral character came from that show. But this garbage is unforgivable, I won't be wasting my time with it.
Same here, I grew up on TNG, Voyager and Original Series and I can't even bear to watch even a minute of these newer shows. It feels like normies co-opted our favourite franchise to make it more "accessible for normies", i.e. dumb it down, take all the sci-fi and utopian aspects out of it, turn it into a typical 21st century man-hating propaganda reel.
@@AKUJIVALDO Star Trek is now inferior to 'Starship Goldfish' , made by a small Content-Creator. So stop watching it and instead go and watch that Small Content-Creator! I promise he is skillful and has EPIC HUMOR.
@@deepfriedsammich What are you babbling about? I almost cant tell, but did you just imply Star Trek is nowadays GOOD and we, the Fans that dont watch, will go broke? If so, thats delusion on high, high levels and you need to get down to Earth again.
5:42 "you can't rely on sensors. Never mind that they're more sensitive than to light in a wider spectrum than your eyes, have a far wider field of view and run on solid-state computing hardware rather than the somewhat laggy wet chemistry of the living body. Rely on the plot armour you get from having a contract that runs to the end of the season"
its laughable you would pilot a space ship with anything but sensors. "viewscreen on". its already default in the show, sensors are the method. the viewscreen can be turned on and off, and is a video feed, and is only used just to look at things. not pilot or tactics at all.
There is no "Modern Star Trek." Star Trek is dead. What is aired now is a cinematic zombie apocalypse with the various TV shows consuming the brains of their viewers. Star Trek died in 2004, and it is time to mourn our loss, heal and move on.
Remember that at the end of the day ; Barclay found a way to speak with the Voyager in the delta quadrant, he is the man that helped admiral Janeway to change the past. THAT is true character development. It remind me of O’Brien in TNG/DS9 actually.
There was one person who was responsible for the loss of the ship, it's captain. To paraphrase TOS: a captain is responsible for every member of the crew, and their deaths.
Could you imagine if it had been male characters treating and talking to a female one like that LMFAO, they would be demanding that the writers and male actors get fired.
@@ShadowSonic2 What are you trying to imply here? I'm looking at the same comments, and I'm pretty sure most of them would not like to see _anyone_ be treated that way. The OP is merely pointing out the bigotry and hypocrisy of woke culture, by switching the roles. This does not mean he'd like to see it happening.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood The OP and the folks commenting are hypocrites. They're pissed a white male was treated like this, that's the crux of the issue. It's got nothing to do with a boogeyman like "Woke Culture", it's white males not being treated like the top dog.
@@ShadowSonic2 I agree with most people here and you're not getting the point. iTs the woke, not the fact that white males are being crapped on. I have tons of female protags of series i like. wokeness ruins every character regardless of gender and that's why people don't like it
The only redeeming route this episode could've taken is the administration board berates and strips the captain of her rank and position. Slam her for her complete and utter incompetence as a starfleet officer. But this is not the Star Trek that we know.
@@fredstriker2042 Whatever you want to do. Roddenberry was a POS and was a horrible bigot. Notice all TOS and TNG usually always just centered around white males? All over now. There was a scene in “Discovery” where everyone sitting at the Command table were all woke and there were no straight Republican males. When asked about this, writer’s said that they’d been eliminated in the future.
@@fredstriker2042 Oh, and Spock is bisexual in the upcoming “Strange New Worlds” and they may hint at a Spock/Kirk romance if they have a younger version of Kirk make an appearance on the show…
After years of being mentored as an educator, this WASP became a trained mentoring educator and helped numerous young teachers develop their talents. And yes, as a kid I was inspired by TNG and its ability to see through the surface traits and look for the untapped talent. My point is that a WASP Male in the 21st century seems to be better trained and capable of leadership than a star fleet captain with all the training and ideals that the organization is supposed to reflect.
"I'm not allowed to defend myself here at all?" "This conversation is over." "Wow, you're the least professional officer I've ever had the displeasure of working with. Thank you for the transfer. Good luck with 'the kind of work you're doing here'."
I don't think he'd have gotten so far. "I'm not allowed to defend myself here at all?" "This conversation is over." "Wow, you're the least..." "I said it's OVER!" " Thank you for..." " LALALA I can't hear you!" I was waiting for that in the scene. lol
Just read a synopsis of next seasons Picard. The crew travels back to our time period where they confront “many relevant socio-political issues.” The writers of Hollywood literally can not help themselves.
I didn’t get past the episode where they basically said it was okay to promote a woman over a more qualified man bc of “the struggle.” That was about when I officially tapped out.
It just struck me that Barclay confided in Troi, who helped and encouraged him. As a Betazoid, she was an _empath_. Empathy is almost completely absent from these new shows.
This dreck is antithetical to the Star Trek mythos and ethos. The usurpers of the Star Trek moniker marketed this abomination to Star Trek haters. That meant demolishing what Star Trek was all about. Most importantly, they made every effort to ridicule, insult, and demoralize the fans themselves.
Woke is not stupidity. It is a sabotage attempt to make people think that equality means this and not actually thinking that maybe something that was funny 20 years ago is not now because it is insensitive. "Wokeness" is really a right wing propaganda device to make people think that this is what the "left-wing" feminists and others want. "White man bad" and all that.
Yep. I'm 50. I still have most of my hair and it's only just starting to gray, and I'm blessed with very few wrinkles (so far). Guy looks to be my age to maybe ten years older (50 to 60). At this point, you'd think at least SOME of his personality flaws would have been straightened out by necessity through the course of his life. But apparently not. How'd he ever get his position, anyway? Maybe if he was an Admiral's son and they were implying that the Federation was corrupt and appointing officers based on other considerations than merit, but no, they don't even give that impression. This guy is just a poor nobody who somehow rose up the ranks despite being so comically incompetent and clueless one wonders how he could tie his shoes. Either that or he had undiagnosed age related dementia coming on a bit early - in which case, good job Star Trek for persecuting and killing the mentally impaired! You'd think he must have done SOMETHING to get to be an Officer, esp if he was as he seemed a 'nobody': yet there's no indication he's ever done anything good or useful. Heck by making him obnoxious and a bit , it seems, autistic, they make sure he gets no sympathy from the audience either. They just made a total throw-away character who got treated by both the crew and the show writers worse than many downright enemies of the Federation. And considering he was apparently targeted for his skin color, it wouldn't surprise me if they targeted his age as well. Disgusting.
Oh yeah, Wokeists are blatantly ageist. They agree with Oprah that the world will suck until the old people (as if she's 25???) die off because "they're all racists". 🙄 I'll never forget when a woman helped her grandfather make a Facebook page and he was so excited to share some pics of his family, and one especially cute pic I loved -- of this sweet old grandpa holding his dog. Just a bunch of lovely pics of a happy family. But. He was white. So Wokeists came on his page with comments like, "I can't like any of this unless I know what you were doing in the 60s!" and "you old white guys wrecked the world". So I've given up on trying to understand the Woke cult. Now I think of them like the alien in "Day of the Dove" which fed off the negativity it created. Wokeists are the personification of hate.
I was upset when I grew up and the world didn't reflect the competency and responsibility of star trek. But now I'm horrified that we can't even make believe that kind of positive world anymore.
This imo is one of the episodes where the "woke" came full circle and yet another subject Trek already tackled far more effectively years ago. The storyline with Barclay is the obvious comparison and instead of belittling, laughing at and declaring a lost cause to be passed onto someone else, they pointed out that social interaction is a two way street and it is also up to the other people to meet them halfway! In fact they even went as far as to put the failing on the officers for not doing better to find a solution instead of kicking the can down the road. Considering I've struggled with being the weirdo my whole life and only started getting answers as to why I'm so odd in my mid 30's, this episode pissed me right off. And that final statement at the end delivered like a punch line "he was an idiot"...that ficken stung! I'm slow and awkward in social interaction especially in groups where I struggle to get a read on anyone. I fight anxiety ever minute I have to deal with other people just waiting for myself to screw up or make an arse of myself. I am NOT a ficken idiot though.
You’re right about all of that. Barclay was brought into the fold by a strong Captain and a competent crew, while this odd fellow is set up to be ridiculed and ostracized, left for dead, and then casually insulted. The whole crew behaved shamefully, and the Captain took no responsibility at all. Not a coincidence that the Captain was a biracial woman, whose promotion was obviously richly deserved, and the butt of all jokes was an older white man, who is probably straight, and has no business wasting the time of his “superiors.” They actually wanted us to like her, and approve of her shameful mistreatment of a member of her crew and fellow human being. We are to laugh at his humiliation and death, and nod in agreement when he is devalued. It’s like when a member of Pike’s Enterprise had the gall to “mansplain” to Micheal, and we were supposed to cheer his death for that reason. A top member of the Enterprise crew, set up to be so instantly disliked that we laugh when he dies, and don’t wonder why nobody mourns or even mentions him. Modern anti-Trek is worse than trash; it’s stories about horrible people, written and created by horrible people. You are obviously smart enough to have noticed that. Best of luck on your evolution.🖖
Dude. I feel you. Watching TNG as a kid, I related to both Data and Barclay because of the same issue I had and still do with interpersonal relationships. I find it hard to read a room, know that I can be a bit too honest at times and then regret it for talking more than I should have. Eventually I found my holodeck - video games, or even a book where to lose myself in, and even my art - which turned into my plays - tabletop games - where I could finally sit down with people and interact with them and many of them came to accept me as I am, even as I am constantly trying to be better. If my friends would have been any different, if they would have bullied me like many others did, I am not sure if I'd end up as accomplished today. Still have a lot to work on. But... The popular kids - those that bullied nerds like me - have taken our nerdy spots where we found refuge. Star Trek is only one of many. This has been quite the depressing ride.
@@tamaspapp225 She isn’t a good character, so like Rey, they have to spend the dignity of other characters to make her seem better. It’s ugly and stupid.
@@sgshaday Good for you! Sounds like you have some happiness and accomplishments and art to be proud of. That’s awesome. These are tough times for a lot of good people. Stay strong.
So the message of that short trek is basically "you're good but socially awkward? Ok you're a problem, something that should be thrown away". Thanks new star trek, as if some of us didn't have enough problems with that
It's actually heartbreaking to see how low Star Trek has fallen. Its like seeing an ex who's now a meth addict, has lost all their teeth and vitality and just slumps in shop doorways and can't even find the energy to beg for coins...in fact that's a higher plane of existence than Trek right now.
Your reply reminded me of a newspaper column I read about forty years ago about how Playboy had opened a club in some Ohio suburb, and the columnist's uncle had a Playboy "key" -- the writer was basically saying that whatever it was that made Playboy what it had been was gone once they've got clubs that your uncle Billy was a member -- Star Trek is now being written by mundane, ordinary individuals.
This abomination is NOT Star Trek. It is a vehicle for identity politics, wearing the flayed skin of Star Trek (because it could never stand on its own) and trying to lure you in with nostalgia. Star Trek consists of: TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT (and the movies tied to TOS and TNG, of course) period. It is not he first Franchise that has been taken over in this way and it will not be the last. It is better to rewatch the old shows over and over, than to waste even one minute of your lifetime watching these insults to the fans (that kept these franchises alive over decades).
@@Vikingmetal82 I’m proud to say aside from watching guys like RLM, Doomcock, Nerdrotic, etc tear them apart, I haven’t watched a minute of STD, Peecard, or Lower Dreck.
@@YT1300MF almost the same for me, with the exception that I was dumb enough to think Peecard would be faithful to TNG... unsurprisingly it did not take me long to see that it's not and turn it off for good.
you should watch helsing the tv series....almost everyone is either a lesbian or need no man kind of a character, oh and everyone is female...the lead, dracula, male helsings are useless or crooked, and all the vampires who have ever been killed were at the hands of the female helsings
I’m old enough to remember a time when Star Trek fans had to hide, in fear of being beaten up by jocks. Now, Star Trek fans hide in just plain embarrassment, and fear of running into another “fan”.
It really is disappointing that anyone can even call this Star Trek while claiming to be a fan. It seriously makes me wonder why they watched the old shows at all... Unless somehow they're only fans of the movies which famously failed to capture the essence of Star Trek too (for the most part).
...For those that didnt knew: Indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White, so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl. A STRONG Girl.
Oh well see where we got: Discovery couldn't cross the fifth season mark, and JUST because Paramount was relying on it for their platform. They probably lost a lot of money, because Discovery had better FX than Star Trek First Contact. They think CGI and FX are what make Star Trek fans go nuts and don't realize we were ok with wood scenarios with carpets as longs as it had great stories and themes. It took me a long time but The Orville is a Star Trek show we deserve! The end of the second season was like a Star Trek V story but done correctly.
@@LudwigPaiste He called the Wakandan Elite warriors the "Dora Marmalade" because he hates the idea of an advanced Nonwhite Country that much. Edward Longshanks should have done us all a big favor when he had the chance.
You said a clever writer ?? They are extinct in Holiwierd, you might as well be talking about unicorns. The current writers room of Klutzman's Stupid Hideout is made up of woke feminist soap opera writers that have no idea what Sci Fi even is let alone being able to write it. Also don't forget, that Star Trek is now a platform to push Kurtzman's Woke agenda
Don’t forget the stories like CARDASIANS Or PROGRESS or tng SUDDENLY HUMAN *you know back when writers had some sense of dignity* where emotional struggle had you Wondering how it was going to end up ( I’m still pissed that the old cardassia left those kids on bajor ) but that’s what good writing will do to you { *reverberate in your mind if you are a person with empathy for the weak* }
"...He was an idiot..." ... "...Okay, this conversation is over." "But wait I-" "Based on the preceding events under your watch, resulting in a preventable loss of life aboard your vessel, you are hereby relieved of your commission and command and are being placed on indefinite leave pending a formal inquiry; effective immediately." "Hold on-!" "Should you wish to appeal any decisions, you will have to wait until a consensus is reached, pending a formal investigation and any subsequent tribunals regarding your actions as Captain." "But-!" "You're dismissed." Having this character thoroughly get stomped by the system and have it be proven that in fact she was the idiot would be actually funny. True, a slow burn of unfunny to get to a satisfying ending, but funny nonetheless.
Barclay was probably the most socially awkward guy on the ship, like he said himself. "I am the guy who writes down things to remember to say when there is a party. And when he finally gets there he winds up alone, in the corner, trying to look comfortable examining a potted plant." Barclay was probably also the most intelligent guy on the ship however, and in the end of the series you see how much progress he has made. He still is awkward, sure, but he interacts with others without feeling degraded just by talking. Compare this kind of character development and the writing of professional character interaction, and how Picard basically instructs Geordi on making him a better commanding officer by basically ordering him to give Barclay a chance, because it's his responsibility to do so. Now look at this scene..... it's a sad attempt of a parody or something, and a really bad one at that.
That seems to be the point they really missed: She's in command, in LEADERSHIP. If a subordinate is failing, it's because YOU are failing them, you're not leading them properly.
Indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White, so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl. Its so 'written-by-formula' already that it sounds like a Joke or Sarcasm, but no: Its literally that. Indiana Jones will be replaced by a Female Actor. No kidding. Its simply what it is...
No, they dont care. They watched the old shows to get some names and places and terms and that's it. They never had any intention of keeping the spirit of the show the same.
SJW type leftists don't care about the IP. The IP is a means to an end. A vassal with which to propagandise the masses. A bottle to fill with their message.
Think about that maybe they don't know how to do it. They are so brainwashed that they, pure and simple, don't know anymore. In their words: "They're just idiots." :)
If the person wasn’t intelligent enough, then he would never have made it through starfleets initial entrance process. The only Star Trek still going that’s worth anything is lower decks.
That scene is obviously meant to be there for laughs, but I feel genuinely upset when I watch it. It's like seeing an organisation that has always been the epitome of kind and accepting suddenly being nasty, spiteful and rude. As someone with depression and social issues too, this sort of belittling is everything I fear from an encounter, and to see it coming from Starfleet is heartbreaking.
I seriously doubt it's meant for laughs - it's there to showcase the kind of arrogant, elitist philosophy producer Alex Kurtzman has gleefully embraced for most of his pampered life. Guy needs to be flushed into the sewer of the entertainment industry.
@@georgestauber2636 Certainly not when placed in a position of authority and mentorship. People aren't going to grow and develop from being belittled and shipped off as someone else's problem to deal with.
I love the Barkley example. He actually ended up being a character I quite endeared to, perhaps bolstered by his being the only other member of the crew that Spot liked lol. I miss the sharp dialogue that had clear distinctions between professional interactions and informal/personal ones. I never watched any Short Trek, but Jesus Christ this is awful. I miss the sort of Trek that I could actually sit down and chill out with. Now it’s all just high strung, cynical and just overly unpleasant.
@@Aaron-io8vw For those that didnt knew: indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White, so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl. A STRONG Girl. Its so 'by check-list' that you may think I'm sarcastic, but thats literally just what it is. Hes replaced in his own Franchise by a Girl; it sounds like a Joke, but its really real...
This is strange news to me. I googled to be sure I got this reference right. It sounds like another version based on the game “Lara Croft: Tomb Raider.” I never played it and only know about it from internet references and the movie. Still I don’t know the relationship between Indiana and Lara concept. Maybe they should focus on Lara instead since it’s already established.
@@walterlyzohub8112 The object isn't just to have a female lead. As you have pointed out, Lara Croft is the female equivalent of Indiana Jones. The true objective is to destroy and humiliate male leads whilst ruining their franchises. Because pussy.
@@walterlyzohub8112 Lara Croft is a sexy female version of the badass Indiana Jones. It was made before the Age of Woke, she is also a bad thing in their eyes but she was easier to fix it. The goal is not to have a female equivalent of a male action hero but to delete the male action hero and change it to a women. Lara Croft was born because of copyright problems if I remember correctly, female Indiana Jones will born because of an agenda.
Never was a big ST fan, but I watched alot of TNG and DS9 back in the day - whatever this monstrosity is, it doesn't feel like ST. Where is the listening to the other side, the other point of view? Where is the respect for others? Where is the careful, thought out responses? The decorum? Feels more like heavy-handed authoritarianism - "it's our way, or the space highway."
@@Calendyr For those that didnt knew: indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White, so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl. A STRONG Girl. Its so 'by check-list' that you may think I'm sarcastic, but thats literally just what it is. Hes replaced in his own Franchise by a Girl; it sounds like a Joke, but its really real...
@@loturzelrestaurant I simply cannot understand why they can't simply create an other franchise with that character they want. If you look at Lara Croft, a very similar character, the Tomb Raider franchise has been really successful and loved by the public, there is no need to femenize existing franchises.
@@Calendyr I’m pretty sure they don’t feel like there is any legitimacy to their own work, so they peddle their wares in the form of a more successful or well established property. And I’m also not entirely convinced that there isn’t a concentrated effort in Hollywood to move a particular narrative forward regardless of the consequences. It’s a small concentration of people who run the whole thing and it’s apparent that Hollywood ebbs and flows whichever direction the carnival barker, yelps. There’s a fairly uniform narrative that you see in just about everything. It’s fairly close without much exception. It doesn’t make any of the properties better. None of this stuff is excite, little is entertaining, and most of it is too unrealistic to even believe. No one who’s been watching this franchise for more than fifteen minutes will honestly back the notion that these characters behave consistently with Starfleet officers of the past, nor can they make the case that Starfleet and the UFP has always been this twisted and evil.
We have to remember that the people that are doing the Trek shows now probably never watched an episode of the earlier Star Trek series. Gene Roddenberry and the others a vision of the future with great storytelling. Now it's all about CGI and explosions with very little storytelling.
"So this black female character shows him how to do his job." I . . . I thought that was a dude. I had to go back to the freeze frame, yeah. That was indeed a woman. Why are you all watching this garbage?
I remember I used to laugh at your videos. It would feel good knowing I wasn't the only one who felt the same way watching this tripe. But these days, I just feel sad and empty. Sad that its gone on for so long... that they've destroyed just about all of my favourite stories and characters. I know I sound dramatic but I really loved the stories and writing of my time... breaks my heart seeing what's happened to them.
I feel afraid. Afraid that is is not only going to stick with the franchise, but spread everywhere else and become commonly accepted. Imagining a future where you can get away with such a behaviour is terryfying.
Star fleet was supposed to be an organisation of highly intelligent people or highly talented people. How they managed to get in "an idiot" is just beyond me. Same with Star Trek lower decks.
Barclay had one of the best character arcs spanning multiple episodes and two different series, playing a critical part in helping the Voyager crew and it all started with a bumbling insecure screw up. That was old Trek.
And, what's more, very conservative actor (Dwidth Schultz) was allowed to have such presense on very liberal (in old meaning of term) show as Star Trek.
Any Captain is responsible for the actions of their crew. Calling a crew member an idiot reflects on that leader's competence. A tiny rewrite could point that out as the Captain is court-martialled for incompetence, poor leadership, and piss poor HR skills. Asymmetric haircuts may be read as an external signifier of mental imbalance. Now you know this, see if your reading of any 'feminist text' is changed...
They dont care about that. They just want to push an agenda. That's why they have 20 something year old women as captains now. It used to be that you worked for decades for that honor, but now we just give it to "strong young woman" because that's the woke thing to do.
Trek has been filled with socially awkward characters to some degree. Spock, Data, and Worf all had a bit of a struggle fitting in or relating to their fellow crew. But they learned and overcame those situations. There are plenty of Trek stories where main characters have had to overcome some sort of personal anxiety and become stronger for it.
@Lord Dustin None of the Star Trek misfits or awkward characters play themselves as victims, needing a hand up because of their awkwardness. They put in the work and prove their worth. The Wokies believe they are owed and resent the fact that the world doesn't just see their "magificence" and give them all they want for breathing. This is one of the reasons they hold the awkward ones on Trek in contempt. None of them curl up in a ball and feel sorry for themselves, or demand the world just accept them. They faced their challenges and got shit done.
@Lord Dustin You would only have a point if I were actually incorrect in my "generalizations". Given that 1. I am not incorrect in the facts I presented, nor in my observations and b. the current writers are not sophisticated at all in their lame storytelling attempts, I stand by it. But you are welcome to correct me if you can. But as in the real world, it is in Trek, you want to be worth a damn...you have to be worth a damn. That means putting in the work. No one owes you. Especially in Star TRek, you are a member of a crew on a ship. You have a role to play and a function to perform. Real world military types know, there's three ways you can play that (13 years active Army, I know of what I speak). You can meet the standard. You can exceed it. Or you can be a useless waste of resources. If you are the Barkley sort, your team can and should do their best to bring you onboard. But ultimately, you have to summon up your efforts and meet them to do the mission. The Next Gen writers who created Reginald Barkley apparently got this. The morons who wrote this "short TRek" did not.
@Lord Dustin I don't care, to be honest. Again, I don't give two whits about these idiot's sense of victimhood. Some of them are hung up on their sense of pain, well, tough. That only increases my disdain. Everyone's life is tough, one way or another. Everyone carries some kind of pain. Some more than others, sure. But to dismiss that of others and elevate your own to some level of supremacy only speaks of a selfish, self centered person who does not engender sympathy, certainly not from me. Whatever their issues are, I only see them wrecking a beautiful piece of art. And venting hate at things I love. I only see two responses. Withhold my eyeballs and dollars from these abominations, and ridicule them mercilessly. And that's just what I will do.
@Lord Dustin Wait, so, all you need to get them to calm down is tell them they are right and give them a hug? Problem, they aren't right. They aren't right what they are doing to these franchise and they definitely are not right in insisting their problems somehow are more important than any one else's. And they are not right in dwelling in the perception of their problems, rather than dealing with them, like adults should. Fuck these assholes. They need to grow up. Or not. Either way, they aren't getting more control. "The part I'm willing to see." Then, if you could objectively, factually, point out something I"m not seeing, do so. But if this is just about someone's fucking feelings, again, grow up. They have a job to do. They aren't doing it. And I'm under no obligation to support their incompetence or refusal to deal with life.
@Lord Dustin Actually, I am. I've never attempted to dox or cancel anyone, or have ruined a TV show. I don't care if they "air their feelings". I do care if they try to ruin lives or TV shows. World of difference.
As a middle-aged man who lost his career a couple years back, and then spent months interviewing for a new job and being berated by condescending younger women in positions of power, this really hits home. Thankfully I finally found a company that would hire me. My boss is a woman, but I later learned she's also a conservative, which is probably the only reason I was even considered in the first place.
Sadly the job market over last few years turned a lot like the College Application process. They will take white men, but your pretty much their last pick. Anything that can check a social check box is more preferred than you. The more boxes the better. A transgender gay women of color with some kind of disability is probably the best possible hire for any job these days.
The Edward character would never have gotten in to Star Fleet in the first place if he had been this incompetent. This is just an SJW piece, nothing more. Star Trek ended for me with Enterprise, which I really enjoyed, 😎👍👍
You should give DS9 a try; Voyager is more feminist nonsense--even if it was tempered by the prevailing rationality of the time. DS9 was nice, it tied in enough TNG to actually be respectful to the series, and it really blossomed into a real thing of its own around halfway through Season 2. I particularly enjoyed their continuation of the "Mirror Universe" timeline(s) sparked by the events of the Tholian Web in TOS.
@@bli3366 I don't agree. Voyager was a perfect extension of the universe created by TNG. The captain is actually a woman and she is sexual. She doesn't berate the men under her command. But being a Christian, I prefer to have male authority figures
@@LukeLovesRose It *IS* feminist nonsense--even if not of the more modern variety that *is so blatantly* in-your-face. Janeway was never really faced with a difficult lose-lose scenario, where she would have to live with the consequences of what happened. And the small handful of times where her people paid the price, they were literal no-names. Gone, done with, and never to be heard from again. It might be subtle, it might be nuanced, it might not be the extremely intentional in-your-face misandry we have come to expect today, but it is a feminist plot after all. For me, it isn't really a preference; the bible has a command, and god's will should be obeyed.
To the point. You've made a very good material. It is tragic what happened to the World and what they try to do with Star Trek. But there is always hope. Nothing is impossible till it is possible.
If I remember correctly, the reason Picard wanted to help Reg was because his awkwardness and other issues were interfering with his ability to do his job and it was started to make it difficult on others (I recall LaForge sighing a lot). Didn't Ryker suggest he ought to be suited better elsewhere but Picard reasoned that it was better that they not give up so easily, but help him- he obviously has intelligence and talent, but his stutter, awkwardness and also obsessive issues were making things difficult. I don't recall exactly, but I thought there were some ppl that wanted him gone cuz they found him annoying- but the Captain ought to be better than that. Their compassion helped him become better and as a result, made everyone else better because they helped him. Service is always better. I've not watched any of the new Trek and I never plan to. It looks awful- plus, why does the cinematography look like crap too??
LaForge and Riker wanted him gone, LaForge because he was unpatient and Riker because he was cold logical. Then old Picard asked LaForge to try harder and Barclay end up saved them all I think in the same episode. Barclay was actually served in an other ship and the captain of that ship sent him to the Enterprise because he realised Barclay is a genius and starfleet wasting him there, so he was already fit in the smaller, less important ship and crew once. He just panicked when he became part of the crew of the starfleet flag ship. BTW the reason I started to watch Star Trek is because of a Barclay episode. :)
"Where's the enlightened 23rd century federation values and high minded ideals in this conversation? Where's the understanding, empathy, and compassion...?" Dave, have ya met feminism?
I couldn’t put my finger on it but something’s not working for most of the new Star Trek shows. I start watching them and am so excited to get my Star Trek “fix”. Only to lose interest in the shows. I have not watched any of them to the end of the series. Not a good sign. I hope Strange New Worlds will be better. Are the people in charge aware of what you are saying? Spot on!
what you have to love is that as a commanding officer; EVERYTHING that happens under their command is their responsibility. She basically not only threw her subordinate under her command to save herself, she considers herself absolved of ALL responsibility. That is NOT how command works. And HER superiors should hold her just as accountable as she held him.
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"He was an idiot." He was also a member of HER crew and thus HER responsibility. In no modern navy, army or air force would an officer of any integrity get away with blaming subordinates for a disaster under their command. So if "he was an idiot," her defense is that she's incompetent and has no control over her own crew. Which means she has no business commanding a bowel movement, let alone a starship.
Perfect contrast: Notice how Barclay was mentored by LaForge. That was a prime example of a mid-level leader being sandwiched in between the command staff (namely Riker, who was getting sick of Barclay being on report, and as any vet knows s*** rolls downhill) and an underperforming subordinate. He took an interest in Barclay, got firm where necessary, and while he didn't exactly become some stellar officer he did end up doing some good things in Starfleet. Compare that to this entitled little c*** who is quite similar to literally every female with any modicum of authority throughout Kurtzman Trek, and you'll see which iteration of Starfleet would fold and utterly fail at the slightest bit of adversity because these power tripping harpies would do nothing but pass the buck and insist on always being right and perfect.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel It's hard to see an officer like that dealing with some of the real clusterfucks that have happened on Picard or Sisko's watch. Remember how personally Sisko took Eddington's betrayal? Though Odo and Kira were tasked with station security, Sisko took responsibility. Captain Karen here would've been all "It wasn't my fault. He was sneaky and my staff suck."
Sounds like the Afghanistan withdrawal
@@Siegzon Oh, shut up. One, no it doesn't. And two, not at all anywhere even remotely the subject, and I'm not American or British or Afghani and couldn't give two fifths of a shit.
@@dars5229 oh, it is. But here are you giving way more than two shits...so maybe be consistent?
"He was an idiot"
"He was under your command, it was your responsibility as a senior officer to guide and coach him, you've displayed incompetence and gross negligence towards a member of your crew and as a result they have lost their life. We hereby relieve you of duty"
There, fixed it 🤣
Honestly, i could imagine that after that last sentence fall, her last comment would be "Pf. Typical for old white man. Blame the woman for what an idiot did." And if we would talk about REAL Star Trek or a REAL court martial, the answer from the Admirals should be:
"Come back here, Captain. WHAT did you just say? I don't think, you know, in what position you are! You had command of that ship for only a few days. And in this short amount of time, you just didn't lost one of your subordinates, who was in YOUR responsibility. You also lost that ship due to a failed experiment which caused a few Tribbles to multiply so much, that you couldn't even activate the selfdestruct sequence. And because of that, the ship drifted into Klingon Space with thousands of Tribbles onboard. Our best Diplomates had a very hard time, to explain the Klingons, that this was only an accident and no declaration of war from our side. And YOU got the nerve to insult not only your dead crewmember but FIVE Starfleet Admirals?! When i look into the faces of my colleagues here, i think we all here agree, that you are no Starfleet Material. We will recall your Officer's patent and release you from Starfleet permanently. And we will take care, that you will never ever fly on a Starship again! DISMISSED!"
That's how it WOULD/SHOULD have went if this was the real world. But since Star Trek is a joke of itself now. "he's an idiot! j/k k thx BYEEEEEEEEE GIRL POWER!"
Feminazism.
Feminism is sexism. Its the belief women are superior and that women should not be held accountable for their actions.
Well stated, all of you. Your comments are indeed accurate.
@@WERob-to5sp That's lipstick, or Champaign, feminism, the male-hating misandry to the far left of feminism. Feminism isn't sexism. It's the belief men and women are equal, that each should treat the other with dignity and respect. If that's not being held accountable for our actions, if that's sexism and preferential treatment, we've a really narrow understanding of what those things actually are.
Check out Doctor Who, before Chibnall got ahold of it. There's the example of a popular feminist in the lead, what it actually is. Fifty years of it.
One of my favorite scenes in Star Trek is when Data is acting captain and has to deal with Worf giving him an attitude. He takes him privately into the ready room, and gives him a brutal yet completely formal lecture on his behavior. And Worf, being the honorable Klingon he is, recognizes his fault and accepts the criticism. They part having resolved the issue and, more importantly, agreeing to not let it effect their friendship. That scene is important because it encapsulates how the relationships between characters in Star Trek SHOULD work. Duty and decorum are vital to maintaining the cohesion of the crew, but underneath all of that these characters strive to have strong personal relationships as well. Conflicts are resolved through enforcement of Starfleet regulations _and_ through personal comradery. New Trek treats these characters like office workers who barely care about each other, but the reality is these people live together in what amounts to a small town over the course of years.
Yes. We all mess up sometimes. We're all human. But what is SO TERRIBLE about feminist WOKE ideology is that women can never admit to any wrong doing. So they have to look for perverted ways to justify their sadism. HENCE "Wa-mihn." They are always whining.
I loved that episode! Especially when Data apologized! Awesome!
Actually! Yes! Thank you for saying this.
Remember in The Undiscovered Country, when Kirk was on trial for the assassination of the Klingon Chancellor?
He agreed that a captain is responsible for the actions of their crew
Kirk was leadership material
Gosh I miss TV like that.
-"As Captain, I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command."-
"My crew is full of idiots. This conversation is over. Case dismissed......this is the end of the conversation."
Sadder yet it's Rosa Salazar playing this condescending captain. She went from Alita: Battle Angel to this.
by today's standards Kirk should not BE in command because of his white male cisgender hetro privilege. Notice these days all commanders and officers in starfleet MUST be alien or minority. Hmm
@@Elfrunner its a job to pay the bills. She didn't write it.
"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this".... I'm actually offended by this. I'm former Navy, and naval culture is most of what Starfleet uses as a baseline for ranks and the like. In THIS situation, he would actually be in his rights to have HER written up, because officers, especially Commanding Officers are held to a higher standard of behavior. You don't *ever* get to speak to a junior officer in that manner, period.
Why would we expect writers of the caliber of those currently working on Star Trek to have any concept of anything as complex as how to speak to subordinates? These guys are probably the type of petty tyrant that no manager in their right mind would allow anywhere near a position of authority. The scene is literally a SJW's fantasy of what it would be like to be in charge; where they can verbally bully their subordinates and aren't held accountable for the actions of the people under their command.
Yeah I would certainly question how SHE got to her position behaving/talking like SHE did. Writers elevating others by making the "competition" look stupid just makes themselves look stupid by association. Flawless writing, if this was kindergarten. Oh TNG how I miss you so. ruclips.net/video/COIPAjSpd6M/видео.html
@@LoneWolf-rc4go I worked with someone EXACTLY like her. She was the epitome of the SJW in a managerial position. I mean, the absolute stereotype of these types of people: obsessed with Crossfit and yoga (if you did neither, then she berated you for it), constantly switched to whatever current fad diet, was "gluten intolerant", and so on. But by and large, just the most insufferable person you could meet. And she constantly demeaned people, but shutdown anyone who tried to defend themselves. Apparently, she got ahead by falsely reporting sexual harassment. These people do exist.
1) no stand by
2)hostile workplace
3)no irs employed
4)not told wrong behavior
5) deriliction of duty
Each one is tagged with an additional 134 starfleet equivalent charge
They would throw the book at her and her command staff
Looking at time in penal colony
@Zoomer Waffen that isn't what she said at all. She said for the idiot woman she was replying to to STOP asking for martial law, because martial law is the military killing civilians for disobedience and isn't a good idea at all.
There was a time when Starfleet actually looked like an organization run with a military sense of decorum and professionalism, less like McHale's Navy and more like the actual Navy.
Such a good point.
I prefer Down Periscope's model for a relaxed but highly effective team structure.
Exactly!
I kinda thought the same. Captain Edward Jellico is a great example. He was prepared for when shit hit the fan. The crew did understand the chain of command, begrudgingly mind you.
Discovery is when the federation is at war. So following orders is a must in a militaristic structure.
Had that episode be made today. Someone accessing webmd would make a half ass story about PTSD. Rather a whip snap of reality that the other will destroy your ship or prisoners without care.
I guess it goes with the times, it reflects modern leftist ideology in the Army and why it's failing so hard not getting anybody to join them anymore. Nobody wants to die for some foreign country's interests so their corrupt politicians get richer while America burns.
2024 here. I think you meant Gilligan's Island.
SHE doesn't know how HE got as far as he did in his career with HIS attitude?!?
WTF? REALLY?
Pot meet Kettle.
Simple projection from the writing staff. They don't know how they got where they are with their poor writing and attitudes.
"He was an idiot" who was ten times as smart as her and in every other discernible way was worth at least ten of her.
Excellent point.
The irony is that the incompetence is that of leadership. She failed in her role.
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
The man made it through the Academy to successfully become a Starfleet officer, so him being an "idiot" is entirely subjective. Gone are the days of scenes like Major Kira and the assumed Gul Darheel in DS9's prison cells.
The Kira / Darheel scenes are powerful, wonderfully acted and thought provoking. I think it will be a long time until we see scenes like that again!!
@@525Mat_ Totally agree. The development of Kira's character in that one episode, from hating Cardassians purely for being Cardassian to understanding that cruelty isn't inherent to them, is incredibly well done on everyone's part. The closing scene with the Bajoran radical just brings it all together beautifully.
Exactly what I was thinking. If he can make it through training, he isn't an idiot unless it was a diversity hire...
It really shows how far the writing quality has dropped for the show when they 'forget' that getting into Starfleet academy is tough and they only accept the best of the best.
*Dalik1000* yeah but in this case ( THE STD ) all of their writers are diversity hires *all have half a brain cell*
After watching almost any of the new Star Trek shows, I am so grateful for reruns, video's, Netflix and my memories. Long live the original shows.
"He was an idiot"
on a ship that you were in charge of. That you lost because you couldn't handle one "idiot". I'm not sure what that makes him but it's clear what it makes you.
Is that a clip from an actual official Star Trek show or some fan made shit?
I know this sounds dumb but I'm seriously asking (I don't follow the new stuff anymore) ..
@@richtifilmpalast5373 It's from Short Treks, actual paramount-produced nu-canon short films.
@@entropy11 Never heard of those, but as I mentioned I stopped watching a couple of years ago. And if these Short Treks are any indicator for today's quality of ST writing I'm glad i stopped.
Just out of curiosity, do they fill story "holes" between different ST shows and movies with these shorts?
That line alone is the one line that any manager, supervisor, superior officer or Captain would never say in that situation. That line alone is enough to inform us that she is not Captain Material. Can you imagine Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Sisko or any other saying that when one of their crew died?
The series promotes feminist propaganda and is a reflection of the sexist culture that exists among the writers and producers. This is why the phrase 'feminazism' was coined.
"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this."
- me, looking over Alex Kurtzman's writing and producing resumé
Kurtzman was involved with Fringe-a show with really good character driven SF. So he could do better at some point.
It's called projection ;)
A lot of working on my knees
-Alex
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
@@ShemPayne
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
I watched "The Trouble With Edward" once, and that was at least four more times than I should have.
The scene depicted contributed significantly to my being turned completely off by Kurtzman’s new Trek (I was well on my way already). It made me wince and angry, and wonder how anyone with any amount of knowledge and respect for Star Trek could have written it. The officer comes across as a completely arrogant, snarky, rude, and incompetent ass who doesn’t know how to lead someone who just needed some guidance. As a former real world leader and manager, it’s a perfect example of poor leadership. I literally hate watching it since it disgusts me so much. I never thought Star Trek would end up in such truly incompetent and clueless hands.
Came here to see or say this. Exactly right. Contrast with how this was handled on a good show, TNG, with Barclay. Barclay was a bit creepy at first in addition to needing guidance, and yet the enlightened crew of the 1701D took him and helped him rather than toss him aside. Can you imagine what Kurtzman Trek would do to Barclay, he’s a straight, white male, so he’s already got that going against him. This is why I ignore any Trek made after 2005.
@@YT1300MF and look how the character of Barclay ended up being written, he became a respected member of the pathfinder project and was instrumental in establishing contact with Voyager. He would never achieve anything if he'd been written for std.
That scene was evidently written with hatred.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Definitely. The guy is a punchbag for modern prejudice.
So true. I worked on passenger ferries for years and it took me an absolute age to find my footing and fit in. It was one of the First Officers who took the time and encouraged me. By the time I finished there I was CSO(command of a cabin crew), had worked deck, bridge watch, type rated for 2 fast craft vessels. I achieved so much more than I would have without that extra help and push an not ashamed to say but I was bloody good at that job. Takes a good officer/leader/manager to get the best out of their people and the depiction here is the exact opposite.
The thing about modern "Trek" that I hate the most, and this short is a prime example, is just how mean spirited it is. We can argue about the politics and economics of the Trek universe, but the one thing everybody SHOULD be able to agree on is that Trek was never meant to be mean spirited. It was never supposed to revel in it's own pettiness and loathing. It was supposed to be better than that.
You nailed it.
Your point is spot on and makes me sad on how bad one of my former favourite shows is now 😞
I think the modern "Trek" series encapsulates what is wrong with mainstream culture. Being petty and loathing is now seen as a virtue. We all thought those "I aspire to be that level of petty" to be somewhat ironic memes, but they aren't. They're red flags that somehow we have reached a point where it's acceptable and even celebrated to be nasty.
@@someopinionateddirt6561 Therin lies another huge problem with modern "Trek". The writers are using it as a vehicle to reflect their interpretation of modern society is back at the viewer. That was never the point of Trek. Trek exists to show the viewers a vision of the future that we should all be working towards. It gave us something to strive for. Something to be hopeful for.
What's worse is that by showing us their interpretation of modern day society, complete with doom, gloom, and one sided political and cultural takes that leave no room for discussion or understanding, they end up damaging the culture themselves, and we just end up in this endless cycle of loathing.
I never lived in a world where the original Star Trek didn't exist; and the one thing I loved most was its spirit of hopefulness. And ironically, that series wasn't written in a utopian era -- it was written during the Vietnam War, and the Cold War, when even the Star Trek writers couldn't imagine a world where we escaped World War III with the Soviet Union.
Yet the series held out hope for humanity, and that's what I've always loved. I could come home from a miserable day and put in one of the VHS tapes my family had recorded; and whatever episode it was, it cheered me up.
Even when an alien was tricking the Enterprise crew and the Klingons into fighting each other because the alien fed off their negative energy, the humans and the Klingons could unite in temporary truce.
Now, the nasty bitterness of Wokeist spite oozes like pus out of every franchise they infect. The people who claim to be against hate, are the personification of hate, and destruction is the only thing they can create.
The one reason why I love ALL of the Star Trek is BECAUSE NO ONE MENTIONED RACISM OR GENDER IDENTITY. I saw how any one can be a scientist and that's why I became a scientist even when in reality, most of my teachers discouraged me because there wasn't enough blacks. Glad I didn't listen to them as I am now a Software Engineer. I still watch Star Trek (all series and movies) BSG, Eureka, and Stargate(all series and movies) on replay.
Well said!!!
Gene Roddenberry had problems in the 1960's and 1970's.
This is countering it.
it is pure "Anti-Trek" and a disgrace to what Roddenberry had in mind....
This is probably deliberate.
I agree. TOS and later iterations featured a crew working together each time to face an external challange that was greater than their internal conflicts. There was teamwork and trust. The 'zeitgeist' now seems to be the Lone Maverick who knows better than everyone else, and who survives among a crew where everyone's ripping each others' throats out.
@@DavidBoycePiano SO, its a mirror universe
@UCAtPcECQEz16bD3Y26eqm_g i dont give a F*** about the human flaws of the man-i do care for the art that he left and that made millions happy and inspired even more!what they shit out as "Trek" these days is much more destructive and humiliating than an overpaid actor in a minor role,crying about her dressing that made her rich and popular in the first place!
It's done on purpose too.
In ep 2 of season 1 of STD they had a very 'TNG ensign' type of character enter the brig Burnham was held in during a battle.
He was injured and panicking, talking about how they were explorers not soldiers. She talked down to him then he got blown out into space.
THAT was when I knew they didn't want trekkies watching.
Belittling then killing male Starfleet officers seems to be something that happens over and over again in STD.
As someone social awkward and with anxiety how TNG handled Barkley meant a lot to me. What they're doing now is an embarrassment. A fanfic writer could do better.
💯
Many often do.
The current writers of Star Trek ARE FANFIC WRITERS and untalented ones at that!
@@georgeso4364 well normally fanfic writers genuinely like the source material and are writing about characters they love. That level of sincerity isn't president in any of nu-trek.
It's insulting to me too since I am also awkward and have social anxiety sometimes. It's interesting that woke SJWs claim to be for the outliers and the disenfranchised in society yet will belittle most of the outliers in society to push their agenda.
"She was an idiot"
Rise of Skywalker about Admiral Holdo
She sounds and looks like a 12 year old. I have people around me who are not good at their job. They don't mean to do it, they are just capable of so much. I do what I can to put them in a position to be productive. Work gets done and they feel accomplished.
Kudos to you. I hope they appreciate what you do.
She looks like a 12 year old.
Same, I have a crew member that is... well... He's unique. And there are times I wanna throttle him, but I don't. I build him up and encourage him, and he's a better worker today than he was a year ago. And I didn't have the benefit of academy training and command training. Someone give me a ship lol
Exactly! I'll never forget when I was working at a site with a new co-worker who was very dedicated but was having so much trouble in the position he was in. But when he was redirected into areas where he COULD do better, it helped him and it also helped us to be a better work force overall. Berating and belittling him would've only made everything worse.
she sounds and behaves like an entitled millenial
This is why, after decades of loving Star Trek, I don't watch it anymore. I prefer to remember how inspirational it was, and not spoil the memory by watching this new stuff.
Right on. The only series I will watch is Picard. The movie reboot was more ST than anything on TV which is why I enjoy the rewatching DVDs and only had Picard season 1 on DVD. I think ST on TV lost it with Voyager.
I only watch the expanse , lost in space and the orville it's everything that was right with classic star trek.
"He mixed their DNA with that of humans so they would breed faster."
Ah yes, humans, those notoriously fast-breeding animals, with their gestation time of a mere nine months and average litter size of a whopping 1.1. Such an intelligent show!
Directly contradicting Enterprise (I just rewatched this episode a few nights ago) where Phlox says that their planet is full of reptilian predators and constant reproduction is the only way the Tribble species survives.
I can vividly recall Bones McCoy saying "Near as I can tell they're born pregnant."
Also... he's SMART enough to be ABLE to do that... but he's stupid, too... so stupid he can't even use his own PDA... when he probably would have had to use computers to help accomplish the task of combining their DNA.
I'd suggest a new Olympic sport... "mental gymnastics"... but I wouldn't want to reward this stupidity
Watch closer. Human DNA and Tribble DNA spliced makes Tribbles breed faster.
@@tjames9698 Ok, but why though?
"I don't know how you made it this far..." That line, the lack of self awareness of the character also reflects on the writers lack of self awareness and self reflection.
They don't see themselves as the possible problem, so they believe themselves justified in being obnoxious and utter spiteful attitude.
Feminism does that
This scene is exactly how many of these people *want* to behave in real life, but most often they don't have the spine.
You just diagnosed the social and political condition of the nation right there.
@@darthgibsonlp6631 Or they try to, but either back-down or seethe and rage when challenged back. The latter group will usually wind up lying to some 'higher authority' in an attempt to force their will.
@@darthgibsonlp6631 when teachers stopped being hyper critical of people's writing it made these hacks narcissists
*Guy causes the destruction of a Starfleet ship due to Tribbles = "He was an idiot."
*Burnham disobeys direct orders and single-handledly plunges the Federation into a war with the Klingons = *gets command of her own ship
The new Treks can be described in two words to describe why they don't work: mean spirited.
The new shows are written by people who do not know real kindness, real tolerance, etc. They're written by people who do not know what forgiveness is. As the Bible says: evil will be known as good and good will be evil. And modern media demonstrate this.
Yes. They are hatred personified. They're like the alien feeding off negative energy in "Day of the Dove".
@@zxyatiywariii8 I never want to hear how conservatives were moral authoritarians ever again. The Left and the media they put out are much worse than any boring Christian film that Kirk Cameron has been in.
Two words. No writers.
Small Hats they are
At least LowerDecks is decent enough
Without the Enterprise crew helping Reg to come out of his shell, find his own path forwards and contribute to Star Fleet then Voyager would have been lost in the Delta Quadrant with no way to communicate home.
Weird fact, Reg was in more Voyager episodes than TNG episodes.
Broccoli was one of the best characters. Dwight Schultz was already well-loved by A-Team fans who, by and large, were Trekkies. Bringing him onto the show and later reprising the character just shows how fantastic the studio producers were back then. They understood their fans and responded to the outpouring of love Barclay's story received. Next Generation was always predicated upon the notion that the best and the brightest made up Star Fleet, and that the best of Star Fleet were crew members of the Enterprise. Picard, being the stellar captain he was, understood this. Barclay's story is a very human one. Anyone can succumb to addiction, even great geniuses. Perhaps, often times, it's one's genius that drives them to said addiction. The bridge crew and Geordi recognizing that the genius among them was salvageable and a crucial component to the engineering team shows that Next Generation is FAR, FAR more woke on basic human principles than any of the trash rolling out by these feeble shadows of once great franchises.
*And Reg got more character development in his Voyager episodes than most of the Voyager crew.*
@@jasonuerkvitz3756 Yeah. I think Woke stuff has been corrupted too. The origional idea was inclusivity and handling others' flaws. Not being cruel. But as always, things that are nice are also often not likely to fight, and get caught up in nasty portrayals. And so Anti-right isn't woke. It's not what this stands for.
It's just another type of extremism. While burying the whole idea of an actual positive, futurism-based thing in the dirt.
Glad some folks are watching Discovery--if only because someone had to point this out. You nailed it.
Barclay was a classic character--the oddball who didn't fit in. And the crew, despite their own prejudices endeavored to make him a functional part of the crew. The contrast between TNG's handling of Barclay and this guy is glaring.
“This conversation is over” tumble weed moment of cringe. Sci Fi and Comedy writing is not their forte.
Lower decks Is the living proof of that
It really sounds like written by HR.
While I have enjoyed what little I have seen of the F troop of the Star Trek universe (Lower Decks) This short trek story seemed like a Family Guy/Bob's Burger instead of a glimpse into the every day life of a Star Fleet crew. The whole end of the beat down that was supposed to be a Captain addressing a crew members weakness instead seemed like Peter from Family Guy holding is knee for 5 minutes going Ewww...Owww. It wasn't funny. It did not help that the "idiot" was played by H. Jon Benjamin.
She did that annoying feminist faux outrage thing with raised eyebrows as well, total cringe.
They succeeded in making something worse than the "communications joke" in Star Wars Last Jedi.
He had composure while talking, she was aggressively trying to cut him off at every word. She was written a Karen lol. That one conversation was enough to show her character as a whole.
Can you imagine the hysterical Ree'ing if the genders were reversed in these scenes? Or if the 'butt of the joke' was a black woman? It would be unthinkable.
I fucking wish they would. with all my heart.
That’s the point they are making. It’s been like that and still is for everyone but what men-who have proven themselves to be the biggest, whiniest snowflakes ever, who can dish it out all day long but can’t take a micron of it.
Yeah... what we should take from that is that it shouldn't be doing *anything* of the sort. Old trek, it doesn't matter what group was on what side of the equation. Everyone was respected and valued.
@@heatherstarling1653 Lol, in your dreams maybe, women are the ones that are always coddled.
@@heatherstarling1653Except men have taken the shit longer than blacks or women. The blacks and women are the only ones who can dish it but can't take it.
How did she make it so far in her career with her attitude?
She sees a crew member in imminent danger and doesn't say a word. She looked like she completely froze, not knowing what to do. Not even a "look out".
Great leader.
She just wanted him dead. I hate to say it, but it's true. She wasn't incompetent in that scene, she was malicious.
exactly, every other series the anti character would have been saved or attempted to save by the lead character..
Good call
@@remo27 Knowing how woke Trek is, they probably gave her a promotion.
If this man went trough Academy or training in field and passed to become a member of a crew on a star ship he would NOT be an idiot.
Logic and common sense is irrelevant when it comes to wokeness.
Maybe it's the diversity hires projecting themselves on this guy, because in real life it's usually the opposite how it works. Feminists think they can't do no wrong, but amazingly they are never right about anything.
Yeah, that’s why the set up makes no sense to me. If he was really that incompetent and stupid, he would have gotten weeded out at the academy. So the writers abandoned that bit of logic to try to make something that isn’t even funny.
If this woman went through Academy or training in field and passed to become a member of a crew on a star ship, still less captain of that ship, then it would NOT be Starfleet Academy or anything like it.
Where's the academy that stumped Wesley Crusher that impressed a transdimensional alien with his instinctive understanding of the universe?
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. I’ve been wondering what is wrong with the spirit of this new Trek compared to the optimism of the TOS and TNG eras. In this video you’ve given a prime example of what you can call the Netflix effect, in which optimism is replaced by nihilism and moral compasses are taken away.
And Voyager?
Gene Roddenberry is rolling in his grave on how stupid this series is written
no he isn't,, he actually wanted the tv series to have a female captain, you people need to actually watch a program about what roddenberry ACTUALLY wanted. he was a WOKE PERSON.
For the people thinking that I am saying that having a female captain makes me a sexiest. No, what I am saying is that Roddenberry was Woke because he wanted to use the show to push the social agenda's which was happening at the time. If he was alive today star trek would be anti male, pro feminist, blm, non gendered, sjw propaganda.
@@dagonming1319 Of course he was. The writing is the main issue. I doubt Roddenberry, had he gotten his way, would have allowed the writers to make his female captain an arrogant, child-like character who put down any subordinate she perceived as lacking. It’s all in the presentation and writing. Consider how well Cisco and Janeway, historic strong characters in Star Trek canon, were presented and written.
@@dagonming1319 We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
@@FernandoRodriguez-kl3oc We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
We can try to talk to and reason with these woke SJW jerks all we want about our concerns, but I think this quote from predator 2 sums up their feelings just perfectly "I don't think he gives a shit"
"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this." Mind boggling how someone like her became captain with a petty and callous attitude. I guess its true that the culture reflects the health of the civilization producing it. Next Generation handled this trope amazingly but instead of belittling Barclay and dismissing him, they took the time to get to know him and helped him be the best he could be. A crew member died on her watch and her only defense was "He was an idiot."
Did you watch the actual short this is from? That guy was portrayed as a maniac right from his first scene and he tried to destroy the ship and murder everyone when the Captain called him on his behavior. He did this to himself.
@@ShadowSonic2 The fact that they wrote in a character that has no business being in starfleet isnt exactly stellar writing either.
@@adrenjones9301 Please, we had crazy Starfleet characters before
@@ShadowSonic2So her solution is to transfer him off and let him be someone else's problem, instead of recommending a revaluation and/or dismissal. Well now we know how the guy made it this far in his career, it seems Kurtzman's Trek is full of incompetent captains that palms problems to others.
@@ShadowSonic2 Name some.
Hearing that “this conversation is over” bit I cannot believe SHE is supposed to be the good one here
"End of conversation." That's the kind of captain who, in real life, ends up getting fragged.
Doesn’t happen as often as it should.
Pretty much.
@@TGuard00014 Shitty "leaders" like that more often just hire more of their kind to confirm their bias.
What means fragged?
@@marioluigi9599 Fragged means to deliberately kill an officer, usually with a hand grenade.
Imagine the uproar if that Edward character was anything other than white or male!
Yeah, I wonder if Hoshie’s mental breakdowns would fly today. Because you can’t show an Asian woman struggling in a stressful situation.
If it were a black man, just imagine the outrage that would have come from the media.
@@pretikewl76 Nonsense, there would be no outrage, just small and mostly-peaceful but slightly fiery public gatherings like a summer of love.
it is almost worth making, just to witness the response..
Just one more reason whites need to get the point. Where if a white is being actually oppressed. Then people have a fit about as much as any other race. As it is racist to bring up oh what if it was any other race and sex. As if we have to keep comparing white males to other races to show how bad off we are. We will never win.
Voyager had the episode, "Good Shepherd", in which Janeway helped a few crew members who were thought to be lost causes reach their full potential.
Because that's what leaders are supposed to do. While I have a lot of issues with the command decisions Janeway made (namely putting her own crew members at extreme risk in order to save alien cultures) she's right about that one. Few people are unsalvageable, sometimes you have to come up with creative means to reach them and tap into their potential.
Kurtzman ACTUALLY said it himself in an interview that he could give a stuff about the Trek franchise. He's using it as a platform for his values. THAT is why Trek is where it is now ... because people like him are allowed to reign unchecked without our beloved franchises to push their bullshit.
That is saddening to hear, because if the show represents his values, then they are shit.
Could give a stuff or couldN'T give a stuff?
You're saying that they do care, but really you're trying say that they don't. One of the funniest quirks of (i am making an assumption here) American language.
@@noodles1595 Works both ways. People say "stuff it" when it comes to things they don't care about or don't want to do. At least here in Aus. Can't swear to other countries. So, again, here at least "could give a stuff" works in the same way "couldn't give a stuff" does.
to be fair, michael piller (think it was him)said a similar thing and went on to make ds9.
i dont know for certain that was the person, but it was someone brought in to raise rating for star trek who, in an interview said he hated star trek, thought it was like how he imagined kansas, he wanted more drama.
Let's hope that when actual aliens arrive he'll be among the first casualties, intentional on the part of aliens or not.
The accidental best part of "The Trouble with Edward" was that a "SUPERIOR" woman is now one of the worst captains in Starfleet history for losing her command so quickly.
Star Trek is now inferior to 'Starship Goldfish' ,
made by a small Content-Creator.
So stop watching it and instead go and watch that
Small Content-Creator! I promise he is skillful and has EPIC HUMOR.
It's such a sad reflection of the people writing it, and indeed, of the current generation of writers in Hollywood. Once upon a time it was *understood* that if you took over a long established franchise -- a Dr Who, a Star Trek, a Star Wars, a Superman, a Batman, whatever it may be -- it used to be understood that if you took on that legacy you were only the temporary custodian of something bigger than you, something that had been around a long time before you and which you wanted to be steward of in such a way that it'd still be in good shape after you leave.
The writers of EVERY previous Star Trek knew this. There were people who worked on The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise who've gone on record about how much they thought Roddenberry's vision was ridiculous and stymied their ability to tell the stories they wanted, heck among them are such heavy hitters as Battlestar Galactica's Ron Moore or DS9 showrunners Ira Behr. But what all these people knew is that if you're writing Star Trek, you have to write STAR TREK. If you don't want to find a way to write your story within the confines of Gene's Vision, you GTFO. And many writer's did leave. But those that remained, did so because they respected that you don't change Star Trek to suit your writing, you write to suit Star Trek.
The modern showrunners just don't get that. Hollywood is now full of ideologues, and they're hell bent on changing every franchise to suit their agenda. They no longer care about legacy, history, or even making a profit. It's depressing.
That being said, i do think them being able to hide on streaming has helped them. If they had to go out on mainstream commercial TV like all of the pre-2016 Star Trek shows did, I think they'd quickly find market forces bringing them back under control, eg removing all the gratuitous swearing for a start.
I was a lifelong fan of startrek. Star trek next generation basically raised me like the father I never had, and I am often shocked as an adult how much of my moral character came from that show. But this garbage is unforgivable, I won't be wasting my time with it.
Same here, I grew up on TNG, Voyager and Original Series and I can't even bear to watch even a minute of these newer shows. It feels like normies co-opted our favourite franchise to make it more "accessible for normies", i.e. dumb it down, take all the sci-fi and utopian aspects out of it, turn it into a typical 21st century man-hating propaganda reel.
@@DeadlyDan normies?
Don't you meant man hating scum?
@@AKUJIVALDO Star Trek is now inferior to 'Starship Goldfish' ,
made by a small Content-Creator.
So stop watching it and instead go and watch that
Small Content-Creator! I promise he is skillful and has EPIC HUMOR.
You and a lot of other non-watching, non-paying ex-audience. Get woke, go broke.
@@deepfriedsammich What are you babbling about?
I almost cant tell, but did you just imply Star Trek is nowadays GOOD and we, the Fans that dont watch, will go broke?
If so, thats delusion on high, high levels and you need to get down to Earth again.
5:42 "you can't rely on sensors. Never mind that they're more sensitive than to light in a wider spectrum than your eyes, have a far wider field of view and run on solid-state computing hardware rather than the somewhat laggy wet chemistry of the living body. Rely on the plot armour you get from having a contract that runs to the end of the season"
I actually laughed out loud at that line - if you can't rely on them, why have them? Wth is going on with the writing.
"Use the Force, Michael"
its laughable you would pilot a space ship with anything but sensors. "viewscreen on". its already default in the show, sensors are the method. the viewscreen can be turned on and off, and is a video feed, and is only used just to look at things. not pilot or tactics at all.
You got killed by an asteroid halfway through that explanation apparently
@@Derikboy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is no "Modern Star Trek." Star Trek is dead. What is aired now is a cinematic zombie apocalypse with the various TV shows consuming the brains of their viewers. Star Trek died in 2004, and it is time to mourn our loss, heal and move on.
Remember that at the end of the day ; Barclay found a way to speak with the Voyager in the delta quadrant, he is the man that helped admiral Janeway to change the past. THAT is true character development. It remind me of O’Brien in TNG/DS9 actually.
I never liked Barclay htough...
Except that O'Brien started out as an arrogant twat and never changed , while Barclay underwent significant character growth.
One of the best decisions I’ve ever made is never watching Discovery once.
I tried to watch the first episode. I could not make it through
I tried, three times. I'm sorry I did. It's not the Star Trek I know.
@@reflexxuns4065 Why are you apologizing? They're the ones attacking fans with this garbage
I only saw it once and it was enough for me.
Never wasted one second on it. It looks so bad!
There was one person who was responsible for the loss of the ship, it's captain. To paraphrase TOS: a captain is responsible for every member of the crew, and their deaths.
Could you imagine if it had been male characters treating and talking to a female one like that LMFAO, they would be demanding that the writers and male actors get fired.
Exactly
Seeing how the people here are reacting, I'm sure they'd LOVE seeing a woman be treated this way.
@@ShadowSonic2 What are you trying to imply here? I'm looking at the same comments, and I'm pretty sure most of them would not like to see _anyone_ be treated that way.
The OP is merely pointing out the bigotry and hypocrisy of woke culture, by switching the roles. This does not mean he'd like to see it happening.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood The OP and the folks commenting are hypocrites. They're pissed a white male was treated like this, that's the crux of the issue.
It's got nothing to do with a boogeyman like "Woke Culture", it's white males not being treated like the top dog.
@@ShadowSonic2 I agree with most people here and you're not getting the point. iTs the woke, not the fact that white males are being crapped on. I have tons of female protags of series i like. wokeness ruins every character regardless of gender and that's why people don't like it
The only redeeming route this episode could've taken is the administration board berates and strips the captain of her rank and position. Slam her for her complete and utter incompetence as a starfleet officer.
But this is not the Star Trek that we know.
Don’t watch.
@@tjames9698 quick run to your safe space. I don't watch but I can still complain about it
@@fredstriker2042 Whatever you want to do. Roddenberry was a POS and was a horrible bigot. Notice all TOS and TNG usually always just centered around white males? All over now. There was a scene in “Discovery” where everyone sitting at the Command table were all woke and there were no straight Republican males. When asked about this, writer’s said that they’d been eliminated in the future.
@@fredstriker2042 Oh, and to really make you mad, there was an episode of “Discovery” where the entire bridge crew was female. Lol!
@@fredstriker2042 Oh, and Spock is bisexual in the upcoming “Strange New Worlds” and they may hint at a Spock/Kirk romance if they have a younger version of Kirk make an appearance on the show…
Star Trek no longer makes you think, instead it’s what they want you to think.
The new Star Trek:
"Where no man will dare venture"
Idiots abound is a better title
Yup, perfect example of how Star Trek isn’t Star Trek anymore. TOS to Enterprise never would have treated people like this.
After years of being mentored as an educator, this WASP became a trained mentoring educator and helped numerous young teachers develop their talents. And yes, as a kid I was inspired by TNG and its ability to see through the surface traits and look for the untapped talent. My point is that a WASP Male in the 21st century seems to be better trained and capable of leadership than a star fleet captain with all the training and ideals that the organization is supposed to reflect.
"I'm not allowed to defend myself here at all?"
"This conversation is over."
"Wow, you're the least professional officer I've ever had the displeasure of working with. Thank you for the transfer. Good luck with 'the kind of work you're doing here'."
I don't think he'd have gotten so far.
"I'm not allowed to defend myself here at all?"
"This conversation is over."
"Wow, you're the least..."
"I said it's OVER!"
" Thank you for..."
" LALALA I can't hear you!"
I was waiting for that in the scene. lol
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood That's when you stand up and lean in to finish your sentence.
Just read a synopsis of next seasons Picard. The crew travels back to our time period where they confront “many relevant socio-political issues.” The writers of Hollywood literally can not help themselves.
I try to ,it's hard
I didn’t get past the episode where they basically said it was okay to promote a woman over a more qualified man bc of “the struggle.” That was about when I officially tapped out.
It just struck me that Barclay confided in Troi, who helped and encouraged him. As a Betazoid, she was an _empath_. Empathy is almost completely absent from these new shows.
but...she was one of those "wahmen".
Because of crap like this, I’m no longer an ST fan.
“Woke” is stupidity.
This isn't Star Trek - and was never meant to be.
@@vroonos This is Star Trek now, and there is a posibility it will not change back ever.
This dreck is antithetical to the Star Trek mythos and ethos.
The usurpers of the Star Trek moniker marketed this abomination to Star Trek haters. That meant demolishing what Star Trek was all about.
Most importantly, they made every effort to ridicule, insult, and demoralize the fans themselves.
Star Trek Continues is outstanding!!
Woke is not stupidity. It is a sabotage attempt to make people think that equality means this and not actually thinking that maybe something that was funny 20 years ago is not now because it is insensitive. "Wokeness" is really a right wing propaganda device to make people think that this is what the "left-wing" feminists and others want. "White man bad" and all that.
We see this in commercials with a dumb guy who can't do laundry, dishes, clean, or cook while destroying the whole house.
It also seems to be ageist.
Edward looked to be a man of about 45 - 50.
All the other characters, including the other males, looked about 25.
Yep. I'm 50. I still have most of my hair and it's only just starting to gray, and I'm blessed with very few wrinkles (so far). Guy looks to be my age to maybe ten years older (50 to 60). At this point, you'd think at least SOME of his personality flaws would have been straightened out by necessity through the course of his life. But apparently not. How'd he ever get his position, anyway? Maybe if he was an Admiral's son and they were implying that the Federation was corrupt and appointing officers based on other considerations than merit, but no, they don't even give that impression. This guy is just a poor nobody who somehow rose up the ranks despite being so comically incompetent and clueless one wonders how he could tie his shoes. Either that or he had undiagnosed age related dementia coming on a bit early - in which case, good job Star Trek for persecuting and killing the mentally impaired! You'd think he must have done SOMETHING to get to be an Officer, esp if he was as he seemed a 'nobody': yet there's no indication he's ever done anything good or useful. Heck by making him obnoxious and a bit , it seems, autistic, they make sure he gets no sympathy from the audience either. They just made a total throw-away character who got treated by both the crew and the show writers worse than many downright enemies of the Federation. And considering he was apparently targeted for his skin color, it wouldn't surprise me if they targeted his age as well. Disgusting.
Oh yeah, Wokeists are blatantly ageist. They agree with Oprah that the world will suck until the old people (as if she's 25???) die off because "they're all racists". 🙄
I'll never forget when a woman helped her grandfather make a Facebook page and he was so excited to share some pics of his family, and one especially cute pic I loved -- of this sweet old grandpa holding his dog. Just a bunch of lovely pics of a happy family.
But.
He was white. So Wokeists came on his page with comments like, "I can't like any of this unless I know what you were doing in the 60s!" and "you old white guys wrecked the world".
So I've given up on trying to understand the Woke cult. Now I think of them like the alien in "Day of the Dove" which fed off the negativity it created. Wokeists are the personification of hate.
yeah just part of the "ok boomer" bs
I was upset when I grew up and the world didn't reflect the competency and responsibility of star trek. But now I'm horrified that we can't even make believe that kind of positive world anymore.
So sad and true, but peace to you buddy.
I mean, having Alita and Sterling Archer in the same room would be good fun, no? Ah, nevermind.
This imo is one of the episodes where the "woke" came full circle and yet another subject Trek already tackled far more effectively years ago. The storyline with Barclay is the obvious comparison and instead of belittling, laughing at and declaring a lost cause to be passed onto someone else, they pointed out that social interaction is a two way street and it is also up to the other people to meet them halfway! In fact they even went as far as to put the failing on the officers for not doing better to find a solution instead of kicking the can down the road.
Considering I've struggled with being the weirdo my whole life and only started getting answers as to why I'm so odd in my mid 30's, this episode pissed me right off. And that final statement at the end delivered like a punch line "he was an idiot"...that ficken stung! I'm slow and awkward in social interaction especially in groups where I struggle to get a read on anyone. I fight anxiety ever minute I have to deal with other people just waiting for myself to screw up or make an arse of myself. I am NOT a ficken idiot though.
You’re right about all of that. Barclay was brought into the fold by a strong Captain and a competent crew, while this odd fellow is set up to be ridiculed and ostracized, left for dead, and then casually insulted. The whole crew behaved shamefully, and the Captain took no responsibility at all. Not a coincidence that the Captain was a biracial woman, whose promotion was obviously richly deserved, and the butt of all jokes was an older white man, who is probably straight, and has no business wasting the time of his “superiors.” They actually wanted us to like her, and approve of her shameful mistreatment of a member of her crew and fellow human being. We are to laugh at his humiliation and death, and nod in agreement when he is devalued. It’s like when a member of Pike’s Enterprise had the gall to “mansplain” to Micheal, and we were supposed to cheer his death for that reason. A top member of the Enterprise crew, set up to be so instantly disliked that we laugh when he dies, and don’t wonder why nobody mourns or even mentions him. Modern anti-Trek is worse than trash; it’s stories about horrible people, written and created by horrible people. You are obviously smart enough to have noticed that. Best of luck on your evolution.🖖
Dude. I feel you. Watching TNG as a kid, I related to both Data and Barclay because of the same issue I had and still do with interpersonal relationships. I find it hard to read a room, know that I can be a bit too honest at times and then regret it for talking more than I should have. Eventually I found my holodeck - video games, or even a book where to lose myself in, and even my art - which turned into my plays - tabletop games - where I could finally sit down with people and interact with them and many of them came to accept me as I am, even as I am constantly trying to be better. If my friends would have been any different, if they would have bullied me like many others did, I am not sure if I'd end up as accomplished today. Still have a lot to work on.
But... The popular kids - those that bullied nerds like me - have taken our nerdy spots where we found refuge. Star Trek is only one of many. This has been quite the depressing ride.
@@joshuacalkins Man, I fricking hated that mansplaning message in the start of STD season 2.
@@tamaspapp225 She isn’t a good character, so like Rey, they have to spend the dignity of other characters to make her seem better. It’s ugly and stupid.
@@sgshaday Good for you! Sounds like you have some happiness and accomplishments and art to be proud of. That’s awesome. These are tough times for a lot of good people. Stay strong.
So the message of that short trek is basically "you're good but socially awkward? Ok you're a problem, something that should be thrown away". Thanks new star trek, as if some of us didn't have enough problems with that
My goodness, am I happy to have found this channel!
It's actually heartbreaking to see how low Star Trek has fallen. Its like seeing an ex who's now a meth addict, has lost all their teeth and vitality and just slumps in shop doorways and can't even find the energy to beg for coins...in fact that's a higher plane of existence than Trek right now.
Star Trek these days is probably written by meth addicts
Your reply reminded me of a newspaper column I read about forty years ago about how Playboy had opened a club in some Ohio suburb, and the columnist's uncle had a Playboy "key" -- the writer was basically saying that whatever it was that made Playboy what it had been was gone once they've got clubs that your uncle Billy was a member -- Star Trek is now being written by mundane, ordinary individuals.
This abomination is NOT Star Trek. It is a vehicle for identity politics, wearing the flayed skin of Star Trek (because it could never stand on its own) and trying to lure you in with nostalgia. Star Trek consists of: TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT (and the movies tied to TOS and TNG, of course) period. It is not he first Franchise that has been taken over in this way and it will not be the last. It is better to rewatch the old shows over and over, than to waste even one minute of your lifetime watching these insults to the fans (that kept these franchises alive over decades).
@@Vikingmetal82 I’m proud to say aside from watching guys like RLM, Doomcock, Nerdrotic, etc tear them apart, I haven’t watched a minute of STD, Peecard, or Lower Dreck.
@@YT1300MF almost the same for me, with the exception that I was dumb enough to think Peecard would be faithful to TNG... unsurprisingly it did not take me long to see that it's not and turn it off for good.
Perfect example of wokeness is the new Equalizer tv show!
you should watch helsing the tv series....almost everyone is either a lesbian or need no man kind of a character, oh and everyone is female...the lead, dracula, male helsings are useless or crooked, and all the vampires who have ever been killed were at the hands of the female helsings
@@shashankganesha5620 hey I've not seen that show but if it's full of lesbians then I've been missing out!
Equalizer. An obese, mid-50s woman who couldn't run 50 yards without having a heart attack dominates all male opponents easily.
@@stanley-fghijk441 it’s a great comedy show it’s hilarious 🤣
It’s fu the industry I had high hopes of becoming an actress at 40 as I am a triple threat but due to the woke I’m being discriminated against again.
I’m old enough to remember a time when Star Trek fans had to hide, in fear of being beaten up by jocks.
Now, Star Trek fans hide in just plain embarrassment, and fear of running into another “fan”.
It really is disappointing that anyone can even call this Star Trek while claiming to be a fan. It seriously makes me wonder why they watched the old shows at all... Unless somehow they're only fans of the movies which famously failed to capture the essence of Star Trek too (for the most part).
...For those that didnt knew: Indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White,
so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl.
A STRONG Girl.
@@loturzelrestaurant Well in their defense he was pretty useless originally...
Oh well see where we got: Discovery couldn't cross the fifth season mark, and JUST because Paramount was relying on it for their platform. They probably lost a lot of money, because Discovery had better FX than Star Trek First Contact. They think CGI and FX are what make Star Trek fans go nuts and don't realize we were ok with wood scenarios with carpets as longs as it had great stories and themes. It took me a long time but The Orville is a Star Trek show we deserve! The end of the second season was like a Star Trek V story but done correctly.
Everything w-o-k-e turns to s-h-e-e-i-t-e.
Why did I read this in Critical Drinker's voice?
@@darkleome5409 The Drinker is a racist hack.
@@ShadowSonic2 Name one racist thing the Drinker said.
@@LudwigPaiste He called the Wakandan Elite warriors the "Dora Marmalade" because he hates the idea of an advanced Nonwhite Country that much.
Edward Longshanks should have done us all a big favor when he had the chance.
@@ShadowSonic2 A joke proves nothing. Sounds like you’re the reason we have no more jokes.
Ironically a clever writer could use this abomination of a story to explain why TOS doesn't allow women to be starship captains.
You said a clever writer ?? They are extinct in Holiwierd, you might as well be talking about unicorns. The current writers room of Klutzman's Stupid Hideout is made up of woke feminist soap opera writers that have no idea what Sci Fi even is let alone being able to write it. Also don't forget, that Star Trek is now a platform to push Kurtzman's Woke agenda
@@internetgas2020 You're forgetting that Kurtzman and most of the writers haven't even seen TOS.
Oh for the days of Wrath of khan.
@@gimzod76 Ha, I'd be surprised if any of them have seen ANY trek
Don’t forget the stories like CARDASIANS Or PROGRESS or tng SUDDENLY HUMAN *you know back when writers had some sense of dignity* where emotional struggle had you
Wondering how it was going to end up ( I’m still pissed that the old cardassia left those kids on bajor ) but that’s what good writing will do to you { *reverberate in your mind if you are a person with empathy for the weak* }
This is the best comment ever. Lmao.
"...He was an idiot..."
...
"...Okay, this conversation is over."
"But wait I-"
"Based on the preceding events under your watch, resulting in a preventable loss of life aboard your vessel, you are hereby relieved of your commission and command and are being placed on indefinite leave pending a formal inquiry; effective immediately."
"Hold on-!"
"Should you wish to appeal any decisions, you will have to wait until a consensus is reached, pending a formal investigation and any subsequent tribunals regarding your actions as Captain."
"But-!"
"You're dismissed."
Having this character thoroughly get stomped by the system and have it be proven that in fact she was the idiot would be actually funny. True, a slow burn of unfunny to get to a satisfying ending, but funny nonetheless.
Man i just wish that actually could happen
Barclay was probably the most socially awkward guy on the ship, like he said himself. "I am the guy who writes down things to remember to say when there is a party. And when he finally gets there he winds up alone, in the corner, trying to look comfortable examining a potted plant."
Barclay was probably also the most intelligent guy on the ship however, and in the end of the series you see how much progress he has made. He still is awkward, sure, but he interacts with others without feeling degraded just by talking.
Compare this kind of character development and the writing of professional character interaction, and how Picard basically instructs Geordi on making him a better commanding officer by basically ordering him to give Barclay a chance, because it's his responsibility to do so.
Now look at this scene..... it's a sad attempt of a parody or something, and a really bad one at that.
And in Voyager we see Barclays has come a long way.
That seems to be the point they really missed: She's in command, in LEADERSHIP. If a subordinate is failing, it's because YOU are failing them, you're not leading them properly.
But they let us grow to understand and eventually care about Barclay
Indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White,
so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl.
Its so 'written-by-formula' already that it sounds like a Joke
or Sarcasm, but no: Its literally that.
Indiana Jones will be replaced by a Female Actor. No kidding. Its simply what it is...
@@loturzelrestaurant What's scary is that this new woke Indiana Jones movie will make Crystal Skull look good
Simply put, the people currently writing and creating Star Trek have no idea what Star Trek actually stood for.
No, they dont care. They watched the old shows to get some names and places and terms and that's it. They never had any intention of keeping the spirit of the show the same.
They do understand it. And they hate it. This vandalism is not the product of incompetence, it's malice.
And they don't care. They are just as horrible as the characters they "write"
SJW type leftists don't care about the IP. The IP is a means to an end. A vassal with which to propagandise the masses. A bottle to fill with their message.
Think about that maybe they don't know how to do it. They are so brainwashed that they, pure and simple, don't know anymore.
In their words: "They're just idiots." :)
If the person wasn’t intelligent enough, then he would never have made it through starfleets initial entrance process. The only Star Trek still going that’s worth anything is lower decks.
That scene is obviously meant to be there for laughs, but I feel genuinely upset when I watch it. It's like seeing an organisation that has always been the epitome of kind and accepting suddenly being nasty, spiteful and rude. As someone with depression and social issues too, this sort of belittling is everything I fear from an encounter, and to see it coming from Starfleet is heartbreaking.
It's not in the slightest bit funny. It's just plain enraging. You don't speak to people like that, not ever.
I seriously doubt it's meant for laughs - it's there to showcase the kind of arrogant, elitist philosophy producer Alex Kurtzman has gleefully embraced for most of his pampered life. Guy needs to be flushed into the sewer of the entertainment industry.
@@georgestauber2636 Certainly not when placed in a position of authority and mentorship. People aren't going to grow and develop from being belittled and shipped off as someone else's problem to deal with.
I love the Barkley example. He actually ended up being a character I quite endeared to, perhaps bolstered by his being the only other member of the crew that Spot liked lol. I miss the sharp dialogue that had clear distinctions between professional interactions and informal/personal ones. I never watched any Short Trek, but Jesus Christ this is awful.
I miss the sort of Trek that I could actually sit down and chill out with. Now it’s all just high strung, cynical and just overly unpleasant.
And Voyages improved Reg Barclay further
The man gets in contact with a ship lost 75 light years away.
@@Aaron-io8vw For those that didnt knew:
indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White,
so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl.
A STRONG Girl.
Its so 'by check-list' that you may think I'm sarcastic,
but thats literally just what it is.
Hes replaced in his own Franchise by a Girl; it sounds like a Joke, but its really real...
This is strange news to me. I googled to be sure I got this reference right. It sounds like another version based on the game “Lara Croft: Tomb Raider.” I never played it and only know about it from internet references and the movie. Still I don’t know the relationship between Indiana and Lara concept.
Maybe they should focus on Lara instead since it’s already established.
@@walterlyzohub8112 The object isn't just to have a female lead. As you have pointed out, Lara Croft is the female equivalent of Indiana Jones. The true objective is to destroy and humiliate male leads whilst ruining their franchises. Because pussy.
@@walterlyzohub8112 Lara Croft is a sexy female version of the badass Indiana Jones. It was made before the Age of Woke, she is also a bad thing in their eyes but she was easier to fix it. The goal is not to have a female equivalent of a male action hero but to delete the male action hero and change it to a women.
Lara Croft was born because of copyright problems if I remember correctly, female Indiana Jones will born because of an agenda.
Barclay was my favorite character! As a former socially awkward introvert myself, I heavily identified with him. He inspired me to better myself.
That female officer was channelling her inner Doctor Evil.
"Captain*".
Despite somehow not being old enough to have completed a tour as an XO, much less tours as a department head and a junior officer.
Never was a big ST fan, but I watched alot of TNG and DS9 back in the day - whatever this monstrosity is, it doesn't feel like ST.
Where is the listening to the other side, the other point of view? Where is the respect for others? Where is the careful, thought out responses? The decorum?
Feels more like heavy-handed authoritarianism - "it's our way, or the space highway."
ST:TNG : "Permission to speak frankly?" --- "Granted"
New ST : "But I..." - "Shut up!"
@@Calendyr For those that didnt knew:
indiana Jones is soon to be replaced because he's too incompetent and too White,
so he's replaced in his own Franchise... by a Girl.
A STRONG Girl.
Its so 'by check-list' that you may think I'm sarcastic,
but thats literally just what it is.
Hes replaced in his own Franchise by a Girl; it sounds like a Joke, but its really real...
@@loturzelrestaurant I simply cannot understand why they can't simply create an other franchise with that character they want. If you look at Lara Croft, a very similar character, the Tomb Raider franchise has been really successful and loved by the public, there is no need to femenize existing franchises.
@@Calendyr I also thought about this, but I guess they just want to transform everything, so there would be no fans left untouched by those "ideas"
@@Calendyr I’m pretty sure they don’t feel like there is any legitimacy to their own work, so they peddle their wares in the form of a more successful or well established property. And I’m also not entirely convinced that there isn’t a concentrated effort in Hollywood to move a particular narrative forward regardless of the consequences. It’s a small concentration of people who run the whole thing and it’s apparent that Hollywood ebbs and flows whichever direction the carnival barker, yelps. There’s a fairly uniform narrative that you see in just about everything. It’s fairly close without much exception. It doesn’t make any of the properties better. None of this stuff is excite, little is entertaining, and most of it is too unrealistic to even believe. No one who’s been watching this franchise for more than fifteen minutes will honestly back the notion that these characters behave consistently with Starfleet officers of the past, nor can they make the case that Starfleet and the UFP has always been this twisted and evil.
We have to remember that the people that are doing the Trek shows now probably never watched an episode of the earlier Star Trek series. Gene Roddenberry and the others a vision of the future with great storytelling. Now it's all about CGI and explosions with very little storytelling.
"So this black female character shows him how to do his job."
I . . . I thought that was a dude. I had to go back to the freeze frame, yeah. That was indeed a woman. Why are you all watching this garbage?
Dave watches this so you don't have to.
I remember I used to laugh at your videos. It would feel good knowing I wasn't the only one who felt the same way watching this tripe. But these days, I just feel sad and empty. Sad that its gone on for so long... that they've destroyed just about all of my favourite stories and characters. I know I sound dramatic but I really loved the stories and writing of my time... breaks my heart seeing what's happened to them.
Ya it's true they are destroying it on purpose.
The Expanse, Rick and Morty are good. or just watch Firefly again..
I feel afraid. Afraid that is is not only going to stick with the franchise, but spread everywhere else and become commonly accepted. Imagining a future where you can get away with such a behaviour is terryfying.
Like I’ve heard someone else say about modern movies, “It’s as if they were written by, produced by, and acted by 12 year olds.
Woke turds are very immature people. Not a surprise.
Star fleet was supposed to be an organisation of highly intelligent people or highly talented people.
How they managed to get in "an idiot" is just beyond me.
Same with Star Trek lower decks.
Barclay had one of the best character arcs spanning multiple episodes and two different series, playing a critical part in helping the Voyager crew and it all started with a bumbling insecure screw up. That was old Trek.
And, what's more, very conservative actor (Dwidth Schultz) was allowed to have such presense on very liberal (in old meaning of term) show as Star Trek.
@@piotrd.4850 Nah,
he was a Creep.
I hated him.
I looked up this episode on iMDb. The actress who plays Captain Lucero is Rosa Salazar, the same actress who plays Alita. A little part of me died.
its not the actresses fault
Any Captain is responsible for the actions of their crew. Calling a crew member an idiot reflects on that leader's competence. A tiny rewrite could point that out as the Captain is court-martialled for incompetence, poor leadership, and piss poor HR skills. Asymmetric haircuts may be read as an external signifier of mental imbalance. Now you know this, see if your reading of any 'feminist text' is changed...
They dont care about that. They just want to push an agenda. That's why they have 20 something year old women as captains now. It used to be that you worked for decades for that honor, but now we just give it to "strong young woman" because that's the woke thing to do.
Wahmen can't be touched.
HA! Well said
Trek has been filled with socially awkward characters to some degree. Spock, Data, and Worf all had a bit of a struggle fitting in or relating to their fellow crew. But they learned and overcame those situations. There are plenty of Trek stories where main characters have had to overcome some sort of personal anxiety and become stronger for it.
@Lord Dustin None of the Star Trek misfits or awkward characters play themselves as victims, needing a hand up because of their awkwardness. They put in the work and prove their worth. The Wokies believe they are owed and resent the fact that the world doesn't just see their "magificence" and give them all they want for breathing. This is one of the reasons they hold the awkward ones on Trek in contempt. None of them curl up in a ball and feel sorry for themselves, or demand the world just accept them. They faced their challenges and got shit done.
@Lord Dustin You would only have a point if I were actually incorrect in my "generalizations". Given that 1. I am not incorrect in the facts I presented, nor in my observations and b. the current writers are not sophisticated at all in their lame storytelling attempts, I stand by it. But you are welcome to correct me if you can. But as in the real world, it is in Trek, you want to be worth a damn...you have to be worth a damn. That means putting in the work. No one owes you. Especially in Star TRek, you are a member of a crew on a ship. You have a role to play and a function to perform. Real world military types know, there's three ways you can play that (13 years active Army, I know of what I speak). You can meet the standard. You can exceed it. Or you can be a useless waste of resources. If you are the Barkley sort, your team can and should do their best to bring you onboard. But ultimately, you have to summon up your efforts and meet them to do the mission. The Next Gen writers who created Reginald Barkley apparently got this. The morons who wrote this "short TRek" did not.
@Lord Dustin I don't care, to be honest. Again, I don't give two whits about these idiot's sense of victimhood. Some of them are hung up on their sense of pain, well, tough. That only increases my disdain. Everyone's life is tough, one way or another. Everyone carries some kind of pain. Some more than others, sure. But to dismiss that of others and elevate your own to some level of supremacy only speaks of a selfish, self centered person who does not engender sympathy, certainly not from me. Whatever their issues are, I only see them wrecking a beautiful piece of art. And venting hate at things I love. I only see two responses. Withhold my eyeballs and dollars from these abominations, and ridicule them mercilessly. And that's just what I will do.
@Lord Dustin Wait, so, all you need to get them to calm down is tell them they are right and give them a hug? Problem, they aren't right. They aren't right what they are doing to these franchise and they definitely are not right in insisting their problems somehow are more important than any one else's. And they are not right in dwelling in the perception of their problems, rather than dealing with them, like adults should. Fuck these assholes. They need to grow up. Or not. Either way, they aren't getting more control. "The part I'm willing to see." Then, if you could objectively, factually, point out something I"m not seeing, do so. But if this is just about someone's fucking feelings, again, grow up. They have a job to do. They aren't doing it. And I'm under no obligation to support their incompetence or refusal to deal with life.
@Lord Dustin Actually, I am. I've never attempted to dox or cancel anyone, or have ruined a TV show. I don't care if they "air their feelings". I do care if they try to ruin lives or TV shows. World of difference.
So Fn' glad to see your channel back up!
As a middle-aged man who lost his career a couple years back, and then spent months interviewing for a new job and being berated by condescending younger women in positions of power, this really hits home. Thankfully I finally found a company that would hire me. My boss is a woman, but I later learned she's also a conservative, which is probably the only reason I was even considered in the first place.
Sadly the job market over last few years turned a lot like the College Application process. They will take white men, but your pretty much their last pick. Anything that can check a social check box is more preferred than you. The more boxes the better. A transgender gay women of color with some kind of disability is probably the best possible hire for any job these days.
The Edward character would never have gotten in to Star Fleet in the first place if he had been this incompetent.
This is just an SJW piece, nothing more.
Star Trek ended for me with Enterprise, which I really enjoyed, 😎👍👍
You should give DS9 a try; Voyager is more feminist nonsense--even if it was tempered by the prevailing rationality of the time.
DS9 was nice, it tied in enough TNG to actually be respectful to the series, and it really blossomed into a real thing of its own around halfway through Season 2. I particularly enjoyed their continuation of the "Mirror Universe" timeline(s) sparked by the events of the Tholian Web in TOS.
@@bli3366 I don't agree. Voyager was a perfect extension of the universe created by TNG. The captain is actually a woman and she is sexual. She doesn't berate the men under her command. But being a Christian, I prefer to have male authority figures
@@LukeLovesRose It *IS* feminist nonsense--even if not of the more modern variety that *is so blatantly* in-your-face.
Janeway was never really faced with a difficult lose-lose scenario, where she would have to live with the consequences of what happened. And the small handful of times where her people paid the price, they were literal no-names. Gone, done with, and never to be heard from again.
It might be subtle, it might be nuanced, it might not be the extremely intentional in-your-face misandry we have come to expect today, but it is a feminist plot after all.
For me, it isn't really a preference; the bible has a command, and god's will should be obeyed.
@@bli3366 Interesting point....
To the point. You've made a very good material. It is tragic what happened to the World and what they try to do with Star Trek. But there is always hope. Nothing is impossible till it is possible.
If I remember correctly, the reason Picard wanted to help Reg was because his awkwardness and other issues were interfering with his ability to do his job and it was started to make it difficult on others (I recall LaForge sighing a lot). Didn't Ryker suggest he ought to be suited better elsewhere but Picard reasoned that it was better that they not give up so easily, but help him- he obviously has intelligence and talent, but his stutter, awkwardness and also obsessive issues were making things difficult. I don't recall exactly, but I thought there were some ppl that wanted him gone cuz they found him annoying- but the Captain ought to be better than that.
Their compassion helped him become better and as a result, made everyone else better because they helped him. Service is always better.
I've not watched any of the new Trek and I never plan to. It looks awful- plus, why does the cinematography look like crap too??
LaForge and Riker wanted him gone, LaForge because he was unpatient and Riker because he was cold logical. Then old Picard asked LaForge to try harder and Barclay end up saved them all I think in the same episode.
Barclay was actually served in an other ship and the captain of that ship sent him to the Enterprise because he realised Barclay is a genius and starfleet wasting him there, so he was already fit in the smaller, less important ship and crew once. He just panicked when he became part of the crew of the starfleet flag ship.
BTW the reason I started to watch Star Trek is because of a Barclay episode. :)
"Where's the enlightened 23rd century federation values and high minded ideals in this conversation? Where's the understanding, empathy, and compassion...?"
Dave, have ya met feminism?
"petty, incompetent, bitch" sums it up, best.
I couldn’t put my finger on it but something’s not working for most of the new Star Trek shows. I start watching them and am so excited to get my Star Trek “fix”. Only to lose interest in the shows. I have not watched any of them to the end of the series. Not a good sign. I hope Strange New Worlds will be better. Are the people in charge aware of what you are saying? Spot on!
At this point Neo Trek's only legacy will be the resulting memes.
"The sheer f'ing hubris."
what you have to love is that as a commanding officer; EVERYTHING that happens under their command is their responsibility. She basically not only threw her subordinate under her command to save herself, she considers herself absolved of ALL responsibility. That is NOT how command works. And HER superiors should hold her just as accountable as she held him.
Completely agree with this video. As a kid, I was a little embarrassed to admit I was a Trek geek. As an adult, I feel ashamed.
Please, DO NOT call anything that crawls out from secret hideout a Star Trek... I am still not be able to find proper names for that Abominations!